Why would they rather become a vassal state of China than stand together with other europe brothers?
>>518027366because of this
>>518027366They tried to join nato but were refused because the american MIC needs a fake enemy to fight so the euros will keep buying their weapons(instead of russian ones).NATO was literally made for a country that has no longer existed for 30 years
>>518027366sunk cost fallacy. their country has been garbage for 1000 years so they keep doubling down on being retards instead of admitting they’re wrong and becoming a normal society
>>518027366They didn't think it will end up this way
>>518028006>nooo Russia was never threat to Europe but NATO was designed to antagonize Russia nooonigger the only reason why Transnistria exists is to secure river bridgehead for Russians when their eventual invasion comes around. Nobody recognizes that piece of land, not even Russia itself but they still fund its existence with oil money and weapons.
Because Europe constantly seethes about russia being le bad being le inhuman and le agressor. China may not feel like we're equal and may not even like us very much, but it's not being disrespecrful and it's not like we even care. It's not us who rejected Europe. I tried to like europe, but as far as I can remember getting a 1 year European visa just to go see my frens was a huge humiliation ritual with tons of papers to prove you're a good goy, while getting an american visa was like "go talk to a guy and get a 3 year visa no sweat". Europe really thinks it's some kind of a big deal, but at this point it is objectively less safe and worse than Russia in general. We and Belarus frens are like the last white countries standing.
>>518027366>europe brothersBy centuries europoors sees slavians as some slaves and just resourse province. You are no brothers to us.
>>518027366Europe doesn't deserve the privilege of dealiong with russia. We enabled their prosperity this far, they spat in our face, now we are going to build a strategic partnership with china. Europe always dreamt of breaking Russia up into 50 small Ukraines so they could drain each one of them. China is interested in Russia as a stable supplier of energy and materials, and the energy comes from the western Russia, not Siberia. Thus China wants to see Russia remain in one and without falling into the neoliberalism.Back when we dealt with Europe the yurocucks did everything in their power to stiffle our industrial development, now china is eagerly giving us any equipment we want because they know our labor can't undercut them.
>>518029221>they spat in our facehow so?
You know they tried, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmnCBnfMxfI
>>518028628>Because Europe constantly seethes about russia being le bad being le inhuman and le agressor.because you arePeople in Georgia are voting for russian puppet not because they support him but because they fear the repeat of 2008 war.
>>518027366What kind of deranged vantablack nigger does believe this shit to any degree?The EU has chosen to ride or die with the US from the start while the US gladly pulls all sorts of exploitative schemes against the EU.Europe is so fucking over that's funny because of retarded boomers who worship the US
>>518027366Why you think Russia is someone's vassal state?!
>>518029378The conflict begun back in 2007 when Putin gave the munich speech and declared that Russia isn't going to be anybody's subservient client state but rather will remain sovereign and pursue it's own interests. Soon after the nato-alligned Georgian president Saakashvili staged a military provocation and justified the first round of sanctions against the Russian Federation (except for the old sanctions we inherited from the USSR)We don't need this kind of friends.
>>518027366Bydla don't have any choice.
>>518029613> because you areLiterally don't care for that opinion. Everyone's bad ans guilty, no innocents in this world.People in Georgia understand that peace means you don't provoke your neighbors unnecessarily. Russia will not take being surrounded by NATO, it is very clear to everyone right now. I have no idea who ever thought it is possible that Russia can lose or back off from it's very sane demands.
>>518027366Our gov is far right. They also was brainwashed by anti (()) propaganda about evil west and ((())).Our gov wants to turn us into slaves (holops), ban internet, make us very poor etc, but west (usa) not allowed our gov to do this. Only Chinese gov agreed with such conditions.
>>518029613>georgians voted for the NATO puppet>the NATO puppet sent them to die>now they want a russian puppet, because the Russians don't send their puppets to dieVery reasonable of them. Nato sent them on a suicide mission before. Oh and BTW, what do you think your role in Nato is? Do you think NATO has you because they see you as world class talent or something?
>>518029691They're just projecting the state of the EU-US relationship into others.Almost everything the EU has done this last decades can be sum up as saving face while maintaining a level of slave like submission to the US.Did you know that the EU accepted a 15% tariff by the US on EU products without putting any tariff on American products? All of this in a 30 minutes meeting with Trump?
>>518029613Pidor brain cannot grasp that when Pidorland wasn't doing anything(lke 2000 to 2008), people weren't talking about it. Pidors are too dumb to realize that East Europeans talk about RF on 4chan, because it invaded Ukraine
>>518029800>military provocation >4.5 million pop country militarily provocating 140 million behemothyeah sure browas it about some radio station too?
>>518028006Russians were denied entry into NATO because they immediately started smugly talking about how they were going to undermine it and invade whoever they wantI don't like the US that much either but Russians are incapable of acting like normal people
>>518027366Europe doesn't consider them europeans, besides Europe and the US are vassals states of Israel
>>518027366They want neither, but to be fair: Bloody look at us.We're stuffes with islamic filth that no amount of pride can hide or pretend isn't withering us.They at least have the space to just store them away in hostile areas so it doesn't affect them so.We would need to conquer Libya or something to do anything similar.Wouldn't be notably hard but our muslim simps are unwilling toeven admit their mistakes and just screech and blame everyone else for their and islam's wrobgs.
>>518030170Except that EU is protesting Israel's invasion of Gaza, while Shelomovland is donor to Israel (there is capital flight from Shelomovland to Israel)
>>518030126>4.5 million pop country militarily provocating 140 million behemoth>be a pawn>get sacrificed NATO got a justification to sanction Russia, a few Georgians was the price NATO was willing to pay.
>>518030132> Russians are incapable of acting like normal peopleFren, I've been to Helsinki on a friday night, your city literally turns into Sodom and Gomorrah. My south european friend says finnish peolple would die of they had to deal with like real life problems and not rely on gobernment gibs and I believe it. It's like finns live in another dimension. I honestly don't know where they eben get the money when most of the country doesn't even work.
>>518029999>trying to get out of russian sphere of influence is "suicide mission"damn I wonder why could that be
>>518027366Because their eurobros are ZOGged and want to the rus to submit to moloch and the chinks are jew-free.
>>518030527It's really shrimple, let me explain it to you one more time: no more NATO on our borders, we already have enough and we won't be taking it anymore.
>>518027366Because the EU is globohomo zog and an enemy of the white race this includes the US
>>518029613>h-hey guys can you please be neut->XAXXAXA VATNIK WON'T DO SHIT>sigh>okay America, NATO expansion is fine, just don't take Ukraine and our southern flan->non-binding agreement we are the bosses>sigh>attacks you>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW COME THIS HAPPENED RUSSIA DID THIS OUT OF THE BLUE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADid I get this right?
>>518027366There is no standing with Europe. You’re either a US vassal or the enemy of them and by extension their European vassals.
>>518030810No serbshit, fuck you and your country
>>518030699why are you afraid of some nato bases? don't you have like the most nuke warheads in the world? what's a NATO base against a nuke hypersonic?we both know it's not about nato bases, it's simply about losing sphere of influence. People preferring to work with West over Russia. You don't like that but you're way too poor to offer a better carrot that West does, so you pull out the stick.
>>518030527Tell how good the west is to the Syrians or the Lebanese. Remember when Gaddhafi was around, handed every married couple a free house and the Europe wasn't flooded with niggers?
>>518030049>accepted a 15% tariff by the US on EU products without putting any tariff on American productsThat's suck i can say.
By the way they had the exact same rhetoric since the 90s (since day ONE) of modern Russian independence where they told you to not touch Ukraine so they've been running the same story for three decades.
>>518030925Go back to the front, or go live in your gypsy hut, depending on what you are.
>>518031024> gypsy hut> tfLmao, tell me when you have an indoor toilet cigány :D
>>518031118The fuck you tfing me for? Until I turned 16 I thought Istvan and Janosh were gypsy names, only then did someone tell me about Theresa and the New Hungarians. Almost every gypsy up here has a Hungarian name.
>>518027366
>>518027366because they are not white and never will be
>>518031210I have never seen a white serbshit, sorry to say, even if you are not gypsy, you are very close to it. And you have a dirt poor shithole of a county also, kind of what gypsies are capable of.
>>518030393>get sacrificedYou make it sound like Russia had 0 say whether they want to drop bombs on Georgia or not, like it's an automaton, an NPC country that just responds to stimuli remind me what heinous crime did Georgia commit to deserve this?
>>518031370I wasn't trying to insult you, it's a factual presentation of how things stand.
>>518030947> why are you afraid of some nato bases?You're like a gopnik from the early 2000s: hey bro, show me your phone bro what are you afraid? It doesn't matter why we don't want NATO on our borders, plenty of reasons exist and if you wanted, you'd easily be able to understand our point of view. But, like I said it doesn't matter: we just dont want it and you will have to deal with it. Because Russia is le big and has le nukes. No matter how much you hate ua, this is the reality. Might as well accept it and become friendly, but of course you won't.
Btw even the neocon war hawks of the cold war are telling you retards that you made an error but you called them Russian shills so that's on you.
>>518028628>it's not being disrespecrful and it's not like we even care.it takes geenrations of mindfuckery to make a person write the most obvious doublethink without batting an eye.bravo
>>518031424So you think Russia is supposed to get shelled by the Georgian army and laugh it off? Be the bigger man and ignore an act of aggression? Then everybody would start doing that. Russia absolutely had to send the message that shelling the Russian border guards isn't going to be tolerated.What did NATO think was going to happen when they told the Georgians to fire at Russians?
>>518027366no one is asking meno one ever will
The only solution is for Russia to lose a real war. Against Nato. Which always ends in a revolution.
>>518028646>to us.You have to go back, HIVan
>>518031730What would you want Russia to be, anon?
>>518027366the west is gay, though many russians too are homosexuals there is no widespread acceptance of degeneracy like in the west. its not being publically celebrated by adults who march through the streets, russians still live in a medieval mindset & it serves them well. primitive, crude, brutish -certainly, but free of diseases of modern civlization.
>>518030524That's the whole point, dumbassMost people are like "wow we should improve so that we don't have all those problems". The Russian causes himself problems, and then blames the CIA, but is also proud that he has a Lada with a wooden ski instead of a front tyre and that his kommunalka is freezing in winter because at least he's tough unlike some foreign petukh
>>518029221Did you at least have to laugh while writing this..? Especially we germcucks let a lot of shit from you just slip and our easttards are subservient to you even today. No one did anything against you before you started to kill your neighbours.
>>518032151Then why do you live here and not there?
>>518027366>they
>>518032331Imagine they stopped after Crimea. What an absolute win that would have been. You had it secured, Europa was like "oh well". And now, hundreds of thousands dead and not even the entirety of donbass is taken.What an absolute clusterfuck of retarded overextension.
>>518032422>They, not Youmuh bad
>>518031696>So you think Russia is supposed to get shelled by the Georgian army and laugh it off?why don't you tell what was happening earlier? Like you've been funding separatist movements in Georgia for a while and arming them to the point it created civil unrest to which Georgia had to respond militarily but suddenly there are Russians for some mysterious reason among separatist forces? damn why does it keep happening?maybe fueling separatist movements is your bread and butter of anti NATO strategy, mainly because it's highlighted a country can't join NATO if it has active border dispute.craaaazy isn't it
>>518027366They're literally Asians >>518028006>They tried to join nato but were refusedNever happened. Putin informally asked a diplomat when Russia would be invited to join NATO and was told countries don't get invited, they apply and have to meet membership criteria. Russia never applied for NATO membership.
>>518032536Calling them asians don't make them less eurodescendants Let this people join the eu, somehow
>>518030132>korea>vietnam>afghanistan>iraq>countless covert regime changesshut up and eat your rotten fish
>>518031457>Might as well accept it and become friendly, but of course you won't.you suffer from severe case of Dutch Disease. Instead of dealing with it like Saudis do (buying up entertainment giants like EA, trying to create some kind of industry they pioneer at, etc) you're just dumping that oil money into weapons and destabilizing countries because frankly that's what you always did. I think you yourself honestly believe you're not capable of creating a brand that could compete on global market and so the only way out you see is competition on battlefield.
>>518027366Russia is all about independence. They're not anyone's bitch
>>518032337why would i, they have their own sets of problems. i am able to entertain a different worldview without subscribing to it. the question was why they would rather surrender autonomy before joining the west, i tried to see the issue from the russian perspective. running russian psychology in a virtual machine so to speak.
>>518027366>Why would they rather become a vassal state of China than stand together with other europe brothers?nigger (((you))) gave them no such option
>>518032151>widespread acceptance of degeneracy>why would iI see.
>>518033079>surrender autonomyNobody is asking them to surrender autonomy. We asked them to stop bombing Europa and they laughed.
>>518032781Stopping Communism was based, Assfagistan and Iraq were mistakes just like Iran and the Contra bullshit
>>518033341>Why would they rather become a vassal state of China than stand together with other europe brothers?that was the question, i think i addressed this particular isolated issue adequately.
>>518027366putin hates nazis. he also act like a nigger and naturally wants to ally with people similar to him (the third world). it was always gonna be this way.
>>518032331>Especially we germcucks let a lot of shit from you just slipName one thing. What did Russia ever to to spite the germans?>>518032331>No one did anything against you before you started to kill your neighbours.You paid Ukraine to break the lease agreement on Crimea. IF you accepted Ukraine into the EU while still keeping the Crimea leased to Russia as agreed on nothing would ever happen. When Euromaidan happened first thing Putin did was calling their nbew government and asking whether they were going to uphold the previous agreement. They said no and that's how it all started. > No one did anything against you before you started to kill your neighbours.You are the reason we had to start killing our neighbours.
>>518027366>flag
Because they are dumb.
>>518033805Russia hates the Nazis for killing the Russians. That's the only thing that's wrong about the Nazis. If Hitler didn't stab Stalin in the back we could have ruled the world together and it would be perfect. For some bizzare reason Hitler thought that he could get perfectly along with Mussolini and Hirohito but why not Stalin? The only difference between the Nazism and Faschism/Stalinism is the Germanocentrism, and Mussolini didn't share that either.
>>518032782>corporations should run politicsThe Amerimutt colonization of Poland is complete
>>518034190>What did Russia ever to to spite the germans?You mean before 2022? Germany initially only sent Helmets, btw. When Hostomel was attacked/controlled by VDV, Germany promised to send helmets. Nothing else at that point.Its also a remarkable clue as to how this invasion was initially received by clueless Germany: An accident, a misunderstanding, something that will be sorted out as quickly and blodlessly as possible, hence helmets.
>>518029922Why doesn't or can't RU people fight back against Putin? Free yourselves from their bullshit? The rest of the world would actually like RU to be fucking kinda normal and not hostile. Everyone would benefit.
>>518034190>You paid Ukraine to break the lease agreement on Crimea.>IF you accepted Ukraine into the EU while still keeping the Crimea leased to Russia as agreed on nothing would ever happen.None of this happened and without the war Ukraine would never have entered the EU
>>518027366They are not a vassal.They are ideological allies.They have split the world, Russia gets Europe, Chinks get US.Chinks have the numbers.Russians still have enough anthrax and other weapons of mass destruction to wipe out the whole human race.
>>518034571corporations are politics, retardSee Gazprom, Russian fuel giant. They're insanely politically active both domestically and abroad.
>>518034784I noticed that Germany was reluctant to support Ukraine. Anon said that Russia did something hostile against Germany and harmed their interests somehow, so I'm asking what?Putin is a huge Germanophile since he worked with Merkel in Stasi, and he was always kissing the German ass. He was even begging them not to flood themselves with niggers.In fact Russians liked the germans better than anyone ever did.
>>518032472He won't reply lol
>>518034983>They are not a vassal. LMAO
>>518035252>Anon said that Russia did something hostile against Germany and harmed their interests somehow, so I'm asking what?I am asking you again: Do you mean before 2022 or after 2022? (SMO Start to be exact). Its not a "gotcha" question - I do not mean russian military vehicles crossing the border into Ukraine.
>>518035252>He was even begging them not to flood themselves with niggers.In hindsight and current context it is hard to not see such seemingly helpful or well-meant advices as attempts of subversion and propaganda, especially considering Putin also regularly applauds the multiethnicity of Russia (for good reason: domestic peace), but I am sure Russia can say the same about "helpful advice" from "US-backed democracy advocation groups".
>>518035439>without the war Ukraine would never have entered the EUBefore 2022 obviously, right now the Germans are co-belligerent in a proxy war against us. Rumors say that right now Russia is facilitating the nigger transfer to Europe, because the European economies are arming our enemies. The worse off they are the fewer weapons they are capable of supplying. The welfare niggers are an economical weapon. But until then Russia always hoped for a better cooperation with Germany specifically. They have tools and no energy, we have energy and no tools, we could have been perfect partners.
>>518035769Hahahahaha, Russia started subverting Europe a decade ago. You are one of the main forces behind every single cucked decision in Europe since Merkel aimed at deindustrialization, brownification and demilitarization of entire Europe. You are in deep delusion if you don't see that.
>>518035587The Russian composition is fundamentally different. Yeah there are ethnic and cultural tensions, obviously, the people with different manners just don't like each other. But at the end of the day the Russian minorities are still civilized people that speak Russian language, went to school and know what law is. The chechens are muslims, the tuvans are the literal ancestral faith Eskimos but they all come from a civilized society with school education and law. Europe is flooding itself with savage niggers from Somalia and giving them a slap on the wrist for felonies which sends a clear message that they are allowed to do it.
>>518032331>we germcucksYou're not German.
>>518035979The ONLY thing you can accuse Russia of is the anti-nuclear push, because that keeps Germans happily sucking our gas. Bu the de-industrialization? HOW? We like their products and we want them to buy more of our gas and our metal to make more of their Mercedes so we could buy it.
>>518035979>Hahahahaha, Russia started subverting Europe a decade ago. You are one of the main forces behind every single cucked decision in Europe since Merkel aimed at deindustrialization, brownification and demilitarization of entire EuropeThat is a process going on since the 1945 and let me guess le russopucians somehow manage to control the entire world through.. KOMPROMAT or something.Is Russia to blame for refugees in France, Britain, Belgium, Netherlands?For the migrant boats?For the stagnating British economy?Did they clog your toilet?Genius, if they couldn't keep Ukraine firmly in their grasp then how do they control the entire Europe through political parties.
Also it's been 4 years of an un-war with Russia so when is reindustralization and deportation of immigrants going to happen.Let me guess, we all first need a draft against Russia to protect some pigsties in eastern Ukraine?
>>518036142>they all come from a civilized society with school education and law.kek, you're delusional or lying, pidor.
always funny when a euro bottom bitch has the gall to call someone else a "vassal state"
>>518035979>>518036306In fact the German de-industrialization is the US interest. The german industrial output was competing with the US and the resource trade was benefitting Russia. The Americans staged the whole thing, blew up the Nordstream, now the german industry is going bust and moving to the US to benefit the American economy. And the Eurocucks were complacent in all of that. They just let the US do that.
>>518027366read about alexander nevsky
>>518027366>theyThere's no "we want". Theres only a "he wants" (rarely she like during Catherine the Great). We just obey whoever is our owner currently. It's literaly that easy.
>>518036306What do you mean how? You meant to ask why? I genuinely don't know, maybe some noviop boomers since KGB days are so demoralized by fall of USSR that they decided to destroy anything good in the west. The question of how is objectively demonstrable, Russia through Belarus is a maaajor launching point for illegal immigration into Europe, while the first politicians to originate the pan European "Green" push were Angela "GDR whore" Merkel, Nicolas Sarkozy, and the rest of 2000s era politicians who were doing everything in their power to never sanction Russia and release sanctions when possible. If anything only because of US pressure did any feedback against Russia exist in those days because European safety doesn't exist without US military when instead Europe should have been independently heavily militarizing against everyone.
>>518036559Notice the lack a manchette in the picture.The dude seduced a thot like one is supposed to, rather than raping her at knife point in a park.
>>518036756>Russia through Belarus is a maaajor launching point for illegal immigration into EuropeSee >>518035769>now Russia is facilitating the nigger transfer to Europe, because the European economies are arming our enemies. The worse off they are the fewer weapons they are capable of supplying. The welfare niggers are an economical weapon.Yes now we are doing it because the EU clearly is our enemy and the niggers are bad for them. But before the relationship broke down completely Putin was beggin Merkel to stop the niggerificatin.
>>518027366As of this day in terms of of moral integrity I do not stand with Europe or the west in general The west has been irreparably infected by Judaism If a war breaks out I will not take part
>>518027366Europe is a Judeo American vassalRussia does not want to be pozzed
>1 post by this id>memeflag
Because of you, West.After the USSR collapsed, the West just enjoyed their victory and left Russia to suffer in chaos. If the West had stepped in to actually rebuild (banks, shops, functioning markets) Putin wouldn’t have had a stage to rise on. Instead, he inherited a country stripped bare, and by building the basics himself, he became the "reformer" Russians still worship.If you had actually helped Russia back then, a pro-Western government would already be in power and Russia would be part of the Western world. This is on you, don’t try to blame Russia for your own mess.
>>518036756>The question of how is objectively demonstrable, Russia through Belarus is a maaajor launching point for illegal immigration into EuropeOnly for Poland and Baltics. Not for the rest. 99.5% of immigrants in EU did not come from that direction.Do you know that world does not revolve around Avdeevka, Tbilisi and some farmlands east of Warsaw?
Europeans are not sovereign The world is essentially divided between those who are America's/Israeli's dogs vs some small enclave of resistance We're already in Globohomo
>>518037379>After the USSR collapsed, the West just enjoyed their victory and left Russia to suffer in chaos. If the West had stepped in to actually rebuild (banks, shops, functioning markets) Putin wouldn’t have had a stage to rise onShaddap, I still remember when Finland delivered aid to Russian street children in the 90's and 00's. Russia just clung on to the tatters of the Union well into the 90's - see the Chechen war and the occupation of the Baltics that went on until the mid-90's. Russians fucked it up themselves and wouldn't let anyone help because they were so steeped in the notion of the evil imperialist wect
>>518037379>After the USSR collapsed, the West just enjoyed their victory and left Russia to suffer in chaos. If the West had stepped in to actually rebuild (banks, shops, functioning markets) Putin wouldn’t have had a stage to rise on. Instead, he inherited a country stripped bare, and by building the basics himself, he became the "reformer" Russians still worship.It's worse. Before Putin the west and Boris Yelsin did A LOT of work trying to finish Russia. Braking the USSR wasn't enough, they wanted to break the RF as well. They worked really hard to destroy or sell off the remaining industry and assets all in their effort to prevent Russia from becoming a competitive capitalist state.
>>518027366because the west is gay and jewish and the russians are barbarian brutes that do not fit into globohomo
>>518037686>the aidSent the chicken thighs to fuck over the Russian farmers. Sent cheap products to fuck over the Russian industriesSent 40 years old rusty Boeing and Airbus to destroy the Russian aerospace. All that shit was the western effort to prevent the establishment of a functioning economy in Russia based on the Soviet infrastructure.
>>518038240>a functioning economy in Russia based on the Soviet infrastructure.This was always impossible because the Soviet system was so inefficient. But instead of doing what Estonia did - immediately throw out the Soviet system and do Western style reforms - Russia clung onto the Soviet model and promptly had another economic crisis because you couldn't cut pensions or gibsmedats
>>518037686Huh... handing out bread to street kids isn't <rebuilding a nation> anon. That's charity, not integration. The West never gave Russia the Marshall Plan treatment, never offered a seat at the table, just humiliation and lectures while laughing at their collapse. You think tossing scraps at beggars counts as help?If 33 years ago, after the USSR fell, the West had reached out and treated Russia as a partner and a friend instead of a defeated enemy, The West could have helped Russia not only recover but also make a genuine transition from a communist system to a free-market society. But the reality is that the West turned its back on Russia, and Putin inherited a country in ruins, forced to build even the basic structures himself. In doing so, he rebuilt Russia in his own way and that is why, to this day, many Russians still revere him as a reformer.
>>518038719what does a seat at the table look like exactly?
>>518038719>at beggarsits interesting you speak of humiliation and then call them beggars yourself.
>>518038719>The West never gave Russia the Marshall Plan treatmentFinland never got it and we only have fucking wood and an outdated electronics industry. What's Russia's excuse?
>>518027366Russia isn't European. I would say they're White, but not European. Same for Ukraine and Belarus.
>>518038948In the final days of the Soviet Union, Russia didn't even have supermarkets. When Russians needed to buy something, they had to barter with a neighbor who claimed to have it.The situation in Russia was so dire that it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say they were beggars.But amidst all this, the Soviet Union collapsed. The suffering felt by the Russian people was indescribable. Yet, the West did nothing to help Russia rebuild its suffering. They simply laughed and reveled in their victory.There's a saying that there are no eternal enemies. But Europe treated Russia as an eternal enemy, and that's what created the Russia we know today. It's not Russia that should be blamed, but your own arrogance and misjudgment that led to this disaster.
>>518027366This is, and always has been, an oligarch turf war that got out of hand.On the Russian side, you had the old guard, guys like Yuri Kovalchuk and Igor Sechin, the hardcore siloviki who wanted to just smash and grab Ukraine's assets and resources directly, and guys like Viktor Medvedchuk proving ineffective at keeping it in Russia's pocket through soft methods.And on the Ukrainian side, you had your own billionaire warlords like Ihor Kolomoyskyi and Petro Poroshenko who decided they were done playing Russia's game. They wanted to pivot west, secure their own empires, and cut out the Kremlin as a middleman. They funded their own militias, pushed the Maidan, and actively provoked the split, knowing full well it would piss off Moscow.You think Putin is some geopolitical mastermind, playing some long game we're just incapable of understanding? He's a puppet for these guys as much as Zelensky is for his own backers. This war is a colossal failure of diplomacy and a massive blood sacrifice for the sake of a few dozen billionaires arguing over who gets to loot what.
>>518036559What does the woman get out of this photoshoot? Surely, she must worship the Churka to agree to this? Or is she brainwashed by clout from social media?
>>518030132Hieno mutu, WW3-luuseri. :D
>>518027366>stand together with other Europe brothersEurope itself is a bunch or American vassals.
>>518039228>But Europe treated Russia as an eternal enemyWow I guess that's why we were happy to buy oil, gas and wood before 2014 and in many cases until 2022. Note that we didn't give a shit about Chechnya or Georgia. No, the Russians mismanaged their economy all by themselves.
>>518036559Kek, at least it's not state sanctioned
>>518032181WW3-sossupummi ylpeilee lusmuilullaan. Ei vittu. :D
>>518039228>Yet, the West did nothing to help Russia rebuild its sufferingThats a pretty funny typo in this context. You said yourself, they received Charity. You are essentially saying it wasnt enough Charity.
>>518039513Muuta ryssälään jos siellä on asiat niim hyvinEhkä pääset läskibätmänin kanssa vielä etulinjaan
>>518038665>But instead of doing what Estonia did - immediately throw out the Soviet system and do Western style reformsThe Baltic states entire economy is making the semiconductors and electronics in the soviet factory like MicroTik. Russia could change the system and adapt, the first thing the westoids did was to sell off the equipment and destroy the facilities before Russia could switch to an efficient economy.
>>518030524lmao the AIDS and Suicide capital of the world calling other people degenerates, stop the moral larp ivan you live in a shit hole.
>>518036559Please don't pretend the average White roastie doesn't do that over here with niggers Chris
>>518027366>Ruskies>Euros
>>518028628>Because Europe constantly seethes about russia le agressorI wonder why that is.
>>518039706Bullshit because that would have happened all over the former Soviet states if trueYou simply couldn't adapt and seethe instead
>>518038858It would have looked like bringing Russia into global institutions not just as a junior spectator, but as a partner in shaping the post-Cold War order. Instead, the West locked the doors, kept the feast for themselves, and left Russia to starve in the hallway.If the US had actively helped rebuild Russia back then, a pro-American government would likely have taken power in Russia.
>>518039228>Yet, the West did nothing to help Russia rebuild its sufferingtypical gibsemedat nigger. you fuck up you deal with italso you type like a redditor
>>518039612I already said it >handing out bread to street kids isn't <rebuilding a nation> anon. That's charity, not integration.
>>518032472No you don't understand... US convinced Georgia to attack Russia! They were shelling innocent Russian civilians (babies). Much like Ukrainians recently. Russia was, as always, defensive, pacifist, understanding, and not at all trying to gain influence over its neighbors. Sadly it was backstabbed by an American-backed country that's not even half the size of Georgia state.
>>518027366because all eurasians are subhumanssubsaharans won
>>518039886>a pro-American government would likely have taken power in Russia.DelusionalNeed I remind you that the former Commie leadership tried to coup the democratic leadership as late as 1993? They didn't have US-educated exiles as leaders like Estonia, but products of the Soviet system
>generic shill memeflag gaslighting thread where “poster” pretends this is 1960 and “European brothers” and “NATO” aren’t just Jews replacing natives and destroying what remains of European cultures
>>518036559In fact i came back to this post and specifically remember a White police woman doing this with 4 other dudes and the fucking German Sheperd was in the screenshot
>>518039996That's the kind of thing people say when they do politics emotionally. If you've toppled an enemy regime, unless you plan to kill everyone and erase them from the earth, the smart diplomatic move is not to abandon those former foes to hardship but to help them and turn them to your side.Today's Russia is a monster born of Europe's diplomatic failure.
>>518038719>If 33 years ago, after the USSR fell, the West had reached out and treated Russia as a partner and a friend instead of a defeated enemy, The West could have helped Russia not only recover but also make a genuine transition from a communist system to a free-market society.You don't understand the incentives. The west rebuild the western Europe as a base to use against the USSR. The west rebuild South Korea and Japan as a base to use against USSR and China. But when the USSR fell China was still poor and weak. There was no other threats on the radar. Their thinking was HA HA WE WON, WE OWN THE WORLD NOW. At that point the west didn't need Russia for anything, they didn't know that China would become a global contender so what would they use Russia for? What's their benefit of helping Russia? There isn't one so instead of helping they tried to finish russia, plunder all the societ equipment, factories, infrastructure, make Russia into a dependant energy and raw matierial supplier and make sure we could never compete with their industries again. The world is a lot more Machiavellian than you think. They only helped you because you are useful to them, but when the USSR collapsed they didn't need us anymore.
>>518032963>mfw when I would have had the same attitude towards the world if the energy bill was kept low by cheap russian coal and gas and didn't have libtards for neighbors and colleagues
>>518040230>Today's Russia is a monster born of Europe's diplomatic failure.Sort of but it has nothing to do with the economy. It had to do with the NATO intervention in the Balkans because they cut off the Serbians' Russian cum supply and we failed to realize how important that was to them
>>518040230>you are a nigger>somehow thats my faultrussia should have come, hat in hand, begging for helpinstead of showing even tiny bit of humility they demand, threaten and chimp outniggers
>>518027366Probably because proselyting degenerate lifestyles to children is a criminal offence in Russia, while in The West it is obligatory.
>>518040249Yes! that’s exactly what I’m saying. Their euphoria over victory was the mistake, instead of helping Russia become a pro‑Western, rebuilt partner after the USSR collapsed, the West left you to rot in chaos and pain. That abandonment is what created the conditions for Putin’s rise and the Russia we see today.
>>518040385Well, that clearly was a full mask-off 'defensive pact' moment.But even then Russia mainained a lot of connections with EU.If you want an example - our education program was being remade up until like 2014 (in early 00s we did not have bachelor program at all, which created some difficulties I guess.) to be more aligned with the way it works in EU, for easier mutual student exchange and all. I believe shit gets slowly rolled back only in like recent years, which is kind of a bign sign of change in long-term political direction.
>>518028006Seems like we made the right decision denying them, as they are murderous impulsive white skinned n words
>>518027366Putin explained that in the last interview he gave to the international press: he doesn't want to be a "second rate nation", he wants to be a super power, like the Soviet Union. But, because his country sucks and he can't even compete with Korea in the markets, far less with Germany or Japan, he is willing to risk it all fighting the West in Ukraine and making himself very vulnerable and dependent on China. For China is a win-win: if Russia wins, it weakens the West, if Russia losses, they will get super cheap food and gas from them, because they will have to accept anything China says and China can recover all the territory that the Soviet Union Stole from them and maybe more.
>>518034832Nobody is willing to because nobody else is willing to. Can't risk ruining your life over a practically guaranteed failure. A big part of the population also prefers Putin over the uncertainty and possibility of becoming an EU vassal or getting balkanized. I am not an expert though, just my personal opinion.
>>518027366Because russians are asians, not Europeans.
>>518040691>Well, that clearly was a full mask-off 'defensive pact' moment.How were we supposed to know that the "reformed and democratic" Russia was so committed to Serbia genociding everyone they didn't like?
>>518028327Always the polish flag. What kind of propaganda campaign are they running up there?
>>518027366If the EU were based I'd shit on Russia to no end. In this timeline I just consider both failures.
>>518040458Leaving a shattered country to rot and then blaming it for not begging is not just unfair, It;s illogical. Responsibility lies with those who had the power to help, not with the nation struggling to survive
>>518041034>How were we supposed to know that the "reformed and democratic" Russia was so committed to Serbia genociding everyone they didn't like?Who did Yugoslavia genocide?
>>518041118no. they should have asked
>>518041123Ah yes the Yugoslavia nobody wanted to be part ofExcept the Serbs
>>518039561Buying resources doesn't mean you treat someone as a friend or help them survive. Europe happily bought oil and gas while leaving Russia to collapse into chaos after the USSR fell. It's easy to claim <Russians mismanaged their economy> when you ignore that the entire infrastructure, banking system, and markets were wiped out.. there was literally nothing left to manage. Meanwhile, turning a blind eye to Chechnya or Georgia doesn't erase the fact that Russia was handed a country in ruins and no one stepped in to help. The West's hands-off approach is exactly what created the conditions for Putin's rise.
>>518041475There were two Yugoslavias. In the first one I know at least Croats voted to be a part of it, probably Slovenians too, others were not recognised so I won't consider them.In the second one communists were a multiethnic force, however the chetniks were also fighting for Yugoslavia, not for Serbia.When it started falling apart it's Serbs who killed (but not first ditched) the concept of Yugoslavia.The idea of Yugoslavian unitarists (the Croat was at the head of this) was to raze Slovenia to the ground. Serbian nationalists sabotaged this plan because they had no interest in preserving Yugoslavia and there were no Serbs in Slovenia.Do you want more history lessons or will you continue exploding with butthurt?From Finland, Poland to Georgia, the butthurt belters might as well be one people.
>>518041475Uh just so we are clear - is it a good enough reason to invade a 'sovereign country' and outright disable its critical infrastructure, if you are doing this help some other part of the country to 'leave' or 'to stop a genocide'?
>>518027366>wouldThey aready are. If China says no war Putin better bow and suck or his oligarchs will hang him the next day for not selling oil.
>>518040898So Putin has never studied what a vassal is and became one. Of course.
>>518027366with paedophile jews?
I dunno why I try, I'll filter everyone in the eastern Europe except for Balkans and Russia. The stupidity I read here from the 'free thinking high IQ" Europeans astonishes me everytime.Enjoy getting your countries ravaged because of the boogeyman of the east that just wanted Ukraine and told you so 3 decades ago.
>>518037461>Only for Poland and BalticsOh yes, because those countries have famously high social benefits, they're bigger welfare states than Germany! Not to mention once you're inside, you can travel West as far as Portugal with no border control except getting stopped by police
>>518041886We are in a funny position here.We are between Eu and Cn the same way Kazakhstan is between Ru and Cn, and the same way Belarus is between Eu and Ru, those relatively small countries are basically immune to being fucked with by their 'patron' because worst case they have an option to just fuck off to their peer and seek protection. So its actually better to try and rstablish something that works for both sides instead of drying your 'vassal'. That fragile power balance was one of the reasons our century is relatively peaceful compared to shit in the past. Well that and nooks.Of all countries I can think about only USA don't exactly have that option.
>>518042060>top allies are North Korea and India>yes those are the good guys
>>518028006>american MICcombined is worth less than Johnson & Johnson.lmao dumb nigger.
>>518041762The NATO intervention didn't even begin until most of the fighting was overI think the Americans made a mistake with the bombings but we didn't really figure the Russians would be so asshurt about it
>>518027366Because they are lead by jew putin that want to replace russian mens with shitskins to breed with sweet russian girlsRussian mens are cucks
>>518041093use arguments when replying to me
>>518041622>that the entire infrastructure, banking system, and markets were wiped out.No they fucking weren't. It's mostly that they had nothing to begin with because the commie system was so incompatible with human interfaces
>>518042327Picture this: you don't touch Ukraine and everyone in Europe lives peacefully and there would be no need for all of this.Like they told you since the 90s.Their allies are who they are because they can't find them among you. But you were partners until 2014.So what now, should they seek zero allies outside of Europe to score internet points among the "right wing" people of the imageboard who are zog bootlickers anyways? As you say only brown people in the west love Russia, so that means white people are both getting replaced and eager to be pawns against Russia.
>>518042060>Enjoy getting your countries ravaged because of the boogeyman of the east that just wanted Ukraine and told you so 3 decades agoIt's not a boogeyman if it's willing to invade countries over trivial shit
>>518042811>Russia gets to touch Ukraine but you don’t
>>518042746>mutt's lawwow poland has essentially become a mini america in alot of ways
>>518043054Pretty much, miracle how relations were fine until 2014? Wonder what happened then.
>>518027366Maybe Europe shouldn't have declared war on the don-bas
>>518028006After Georgia, Chechnya and Moldova? They only “wanted” to join to destroy it from the inside and veto everything you fucking subhuman shill
>>518043284btw in the 90s Russia signed the Budapest memorandum acknowledging Ukraine as sovereign
>>518042746Nigger read your own maymay FFS.>one colour would would be a dull peaceHe specifically doesn't want the brownoid sharia paris-style to spread you gorilla monkey faggot.The genderbending whoremoans you're taking have turned your brain into a sponge,
>>518043479What else was in that memorandum?
>>518043447It's been a while since I have seen a Russian thinking clearlyThey weren't exactly even shy about saying that was their goal
>>518043284Russia having a cow about the Maidan is funny to me because Poland and other agri giants in 2014 would never have allowed Ukraine in the EU
>>518027366I don't give a shit what they do. They're absolute niggers.
>>518043447vetoing faggotry and troonery is good. this cancer needs to be violently purged from the west
>>518027366other europe brothers are so eager to kill them,as they are already sided with kikes,so russia has no choice but to side with china.
>>518027366Because you Euro kikes rejected them and they have no choice. Surprised they haven't used their big guns yet and finished off wef.
>>518028006If they were in NATO they could attack any NATO country without having to worry about Article 5
>>518039706>the first thing the westoids did was to sell off the equipment and destroy the facilities before russia could switch to an efficient economyThat makes no sense. No one except Russia could sell Russia's equipment and destroy Russia's facilities.
>>518027366The "European brothers" are all American vassals at this point, and most of the bigwigs in Washington want Russia broken up into tiny states that are each as powerless and import-dependent as the average European mini-country. China doesn't care about breaking up Russia; they just want cheap natural gas and a secure northern border.
>>518046588That's not how real world works. Anyone else gonna surprise me with their stupidity?
>>518043479That's not what the Budapest memorandum was. The Budapest memorandum was signed in 1994. Russia recognized Ukraine as independent and sovereign already in 1991.By the way, Ukraine's declaration of sovereignty has a neutrality clause (article 9), in which Ukraine declares its solemn intent to remain permanently neutral and never ever join NATO. Yet in 2008 it applied for NATO membership anyway.
