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>>518148946He's right we should have bombed them 10x harder.
>>518148946That may be true but trying harder would also have meant more dead Americans.
>>518149025It's not right, and he says the same thing about Afghanistan, of which he was president for 4 years and failed to defeat the Taliban.
>>518148946that's some next level retarded shit
>>518149134He knows that.
>>518148946He's right and you're ignorant if you think any different. People didn't even all it a war until it was pretty much over. It was always "the Vietnam Conflict."
so /pol/ won?
>>518149126Because we spent too long prosecuting thise wars in the dumbest way possible. Neither were walvageable before the end but both could jave been wonnif they were done right from the start.
bone spurs
>>518148946classic Amerilard cope
>>518149423>People didn't even all it a war until it was pretty much over. It was always "the Vietnam Conflict."
>>518149126He is objectively correctly though? The US had a policy of avoiding direct conflict with the NVA as much as possible until they wanted out and started directly bombing campaigns on Saigon and and Haiphong. The vast, vast majority of "bombs" dropped before that were actually mines in the middle of nowhere, trying to discourage supply and troop movements into the south. Indirect warfare doesn't win wars, maybe some strategic battles, but that's about it.
>>518148946Draft dodger says what?
>we should have just nuked the civilians the vietkong and al queda was hiding withtaking a lesson from israel i see
>>518149423>He's right and you're ignorant if you think any different.He's not. The cope always boils down to "we would have won if we just committed genocide". It's in the same family of copes as "we killed more gooks so actually we won". Basically no one by psychotic neocohens who don't value any life but Israeli life actually believe it.
>>518149558They didn't call it a war because they never declared war against north Vietnam. It's why we never invaded the North, just bombed them. On surface are troops were only there to provide support for the Southern government; deeper alot of it was to test legal work around for the executive branch to abuse power
>>518148946Love the seethe he generates lmao
>>518149423In his final year in office, LBJ had over half a million troops with a full-scale draft, which Zion Don chickened out of it. Furthermore, Nixon dramatically increased bombing the Viet Cong, and that still failed to change the reality of the war.>>518149558America was objectively in a much better place in Afghanistan in 2017 than it was in 2001. This is pure cope. Zion Don couldn't magically defeat the Taliban anymore than the superior presidents before him, and that is doubly true of Johnson and Nixon vis-a-vis the Viet Cong. And if he was so passionate about victory in that conflict, he shouldn't have dodged the draft multiple times. >>518149623Literally just alt history.
>>518149610Cool now go find an actual news broadcast and not a bunch of hippies and niggers on a campus.
>>518149796The Vietcong collapsed by the end of the Tet Offensive. It was always a NVA operation, but at least before the Tet Offensive they were able to recruit some local southerners to the cause. After that they were just purely NVA troops using the name and sneaking into the south to do rather normal small-scale military operations. Not exactly the same thing.
>>518148946>>518149126this is possibly the only thing boomercons are ever right about; the failure to fight wars to win when there is a righteous cause, IE killing commies to preserve a lesser evil democracy not yet matured into pluto-democracy or a good autocracy, for which Vietnam fits. It is, of course, partly if not near totally their own fault as disgusting rotten military-industrial profiteers who don't WANT to win but to fight the longest possible forever wars ending in a disgraceful withdrawal, OR the swift and total destruction of a bad goy nation & economy for Israel followed by a miserable occupation that ultimately fails at all of our stated goals while spending exorbitant amounts of blood & treasure to line (((industrialist))) pockets and kill as many white combat troops as possible before they can become disillusioned veterans on the homefront that might threaten those profiteers.
What are western values if not gay sex? The russians have a free market economy and are against racism.The west is a gay bathhouse now.1960s spartacus was about jews and niggers. Spartacus now is about gay emancipation with zero jews.
>>518148946>draft dodger
>>518148946Even if you're materialistic and don't give a crap about the human horror that is waging war, you should at least come to the conclusion that if you're not an investor in the military industry complex you will just have to pay all the expenses with taxpayer money, and reap zero benefits other than your half mangled zogbots talking about the self evident fuck up that it was to travel to the other side of the world to get fucked beyond repair, and will probably toss a story or two on the suicides of his friends
>>518148946>not politically correctSo is he one of us?
Can't wait until our military gets fucked up in Venezuela or Iran and Orange Nigger keeps crying that our military isn't trying hard enough
>>518149558>actually the goat farmers of 2001 were much weaker than the goat farmers of 2016!!Trumptard logic lmao.
>had to draft so hard the US drafted literall retards and mentally handicapped at the end>dropped more bombs on camodia then in all of WW2>w-we didnt want to winLmao
>>518148946its true. US shouldve nuked those commie retards
>>518148946America used to pretend to be the good guys. What do you get from bullying 3rd world countries aside from make the rest of the world think you’re tyrants like Putin.
>>518148946He's right. 'Nam was when we started trying to "win hearts and minds" instead of just bombing everything flat and building a McDonalds.>>518149126He's right about that too, you fucking faggot.
>what we REALLY needed to win wars is someone with the balls to put a fucking fox news talking head in charge of the pentagon
>>518150678you lost, tranny
>>518149126He's right if you kill your enemies you win. If you kill everyone who is going to resist you?
>>518150591The only victory condition is a complete genocide. They didn't want to win.
>>518150867Ohyeah i forgot they also sacrificed a ton of Australian cattle aswell kek
>>518149423It was a "conflict" in the same way the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a "special military operation". It was only called that to maintain the illusion that its no big deal and that they totally werent at war despite millions of US troops being there.
>>518148946Just warrior harder, bro.
>>518148946I mean he is objectively correct, didn't something like 80%+ of new soldiers in vietnam intentionally shoot to miss?
There hasn't been a real war since WW2. Every other "war" has been nothing other than culling the herd, overthrowing governments not sympathetic enough to Jews, and making money. Sending 100k guys to fight another 100k guys in a field doesn't constitute a war. A war is when a people is ready to completely annihilate another people and either subject it or absorb it. This is why I could live through the "war" in Afghanistan and live my life as if it wasn't even happening. Do you think the Americans during WW2 were able to live their lives here as if nothing was happening? People will see what a real war looks like soon enough though.
>>518150974it was called that so they didn't have to get congress to vote for it
Is McNamara's ghost haunting this thread? Some of y'all can't be seriously trying to justify the fucking body count metric.
>>518151051>People will see what a real war looks like soon enough though.2 more weeks bro
>>518151111nice digits, but we could and should have just naped the whole fucking country and sprayed the ruins with Agent Orange for good measure
>>518151134Its either that or overt slavery take your pick, we wont die before one or the other happens unless you're like 60 or 70 already.
>>518148946He’s right. Vietnam was won.
>>518148946This will either end with the US military doing what it's supposed to do - overthrowing Trump and his junta and having them court martialled - or it's all going to turn into some Mussolini tier disaster that will cripple America for a lifetime. I refuse to believe the US army is composed of baboons or that they can't see this orange turd is just malicious and incompetent. He's EXACTLY like Mussolini. The US is mimicking fascist Italy to an absurd degree.
>>518148946Based, instead of 2.5 million they should have nuked those jungle nigger commies
The MIC isn't interested in winning wars but in how long they can prolong wars for to maximize profit. The MIC is a bloated tick sucking the American taxpayer, and it always has been. Throw the Merchants of Death, throw the Military-Industrialist, into the bottom of Gitmo and never let them out. Throw their whole families down there with them just to make an example.
>>518150675Nope. We dropped twice as many bombs on Vietnam as we did in WW2. We killed hundreds of thousands of people ans suffered nearly 400,000 casualties ourselves. Stop re-writing history.>>518150678kek>>518151049Nope and nope.
>>518151681I framed it as a question to be sarcastic, that is a fact, your pansy ass soldiers didn't want to kill gooks who were happy to kill them.
>>518151393Did he win in Afghanistan too?
>>518148946>Didn't Try Hard Enoughwhat's that? he didn't try hard enough?yeah, well he has bone spurs ok !?!
>>518148946I'd rather have covid-prions than have the US try to politically correct Afghanistan by having our private military contractors participate in bacha bazi unobstructed on US military bases again and also grow heroin there. How in the hell could our occupation there have been any less politically correct than child sex trafficking and global heroin dealing?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
>>518148946>NeoconThe neocons wanted us to pull out and stop fighting communism in order to target "reacitonary regimes" like Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
>>518151681>Nope. We dropped twice as many bombs on Vietnam as we did in WW2. the fuck does that comparison have to do with anything? obviously we needed to drop more>We killed hundreds of thousands of people it was actually over 3 million lol>ans suffered nearly 400,000 casualties ourselves. because we were trying to win hearts and minds instead of just bombing them flat>Stop re-writing history.kill yourself tranny
>>518148946Watch miggers cope now by saying being an neocon war hawk was based all along kek
>>518148946>We should've sent even more young White men to die senseless deaths. I imagine he'll have a similar attitude towards isreals Iran war.MIGA!
>>518150109>actual news broadcastlolwhat are you doing here?so far from the MSM
>>518149623>He is objectively correctly though?Is that a question or are you just a faggot from reddit that speaks with a faggoty questioning intonation at the end of statements?
>>518151447Cooperating with a terrorist
>>518148946Oh the boomer is a boomer, go figure.
>>518151936is Trump restarting the war in Vietnam? no? then shut the fuck up and go kill yourself, retard nigger
>>518148946damn, they cracked open the premium blackmail file
>>518148946didnt this nigger literally dodge the draft
>>518151681Most of the bombs dropped in Vietnam were dropped on vast stretches of nothing but empty jungle, its totally irrelevant. Playing to win would have been actually invading North Vietnam.
>>518152088>it doesn't count because it's not VietnamWhat do you think, folks? Boomer or shill?
>>518148946They are going to send all of the immigrants that want to stay to the meat grinder.
>>518152092The US is not above supplying narco nationalists when a society is incapable of evolving above warlord status
I can't believe the reality TV star democrats astroturfed into the 2016 election to "win" that election (only for it to backfire) isn't a le ebin based gperennialist Savitri Devi-reading anti-zionist fuhrer interested in deconstructing the last 80 years of foreign policy. #blackpilled #nopolitcalsolution
>>518152088He's saying we should have actually committed harder into pointless neocon war projects and implying there was any "victory" to be had to begin with. He's a bigger establishment cocksucker than the rest.
>>518151965ah ye here's the part where you pretend journalists were always this trash
>>518148946Anyone can say their countries could have done more if they tried harder. It's pure cope. The United States wouldn't exist if England "tried hard".
>>518151745Because you are communist faggots thats why
>>518151936GWOT was based as all fuck and I've never said otherwise. Fuck islam
>>518150780>>518150780Then apply that logic to your own countries and kill each other already. I’ve been bored for a while.
>>518151791Again, just alt history. Americans killed way more Vietnamese than vice versa and had no problem targeting civilians and committing war crimes in order to do it.>>518151889The neoconservative movement was literally created by people dissatisfied the left was opposed to the Vietnam war.
>>518148946He's right, homo. We didn't even try to win. It was all about keeping the ARVN alive long enough so we could leave.
>>518152671>fuck the only people who are actually doing something about feminismCuckservashits.
Says the dude who dodged the draft to avoid getting fucked in the ass by a vietnamese speaking tree
>>518149804He's not wrong, the Vietnam War had a bunch of restrictions on it that tied the military's hands because it wasn't officially a war, it was a "police action". The U.S. was not allowed to take and hold any land they gained from the NVA or any combatants; they could fight and take, but they had to either hand it over to the South's military or abandon it to be reoccupied (which is why stupid shit like Hamburger Hill occurred). The U.S. had a very good chance to crush a good portion of the NVA after the Tet Offensive, but were forbidden from doing so because that would have involved advancing into, and taking land in, North Vietnam, which would have been a violation of Congress' rules + Treaty of Paris rules (that pretty much only the U.S. followed).
>>518153090LOL, maybe 50 years ago hahahaha, sand niggers let the one good thing about their shit religion go to the shitter.
>>518150974It was called anything but a war, because war requires a Congressional vote and approval, which the government did not have. They played with words and said the U.S. military wasn't there in the traditional sense to combat with, and take land from, enemy combatants, but only to provide support and training to South Vietnam's government, and help them maintain order within their own jurisdiction.
>>518151893>the fuck does that comparison have to do with anything?You argued we weren't seriously bombing the country and were being too kind, retard.>it was actually over 3 million lolThat wasn't all our doing.>because we were trying to win hearts and minds instead of just bombing them flatAgain, we bombed them more than any other conflict we've ever been in. You don't know anything if you think the reason we didn't win is because we were risk adverse to bombing.>kill yourself trannyYou are as deluded as a tranny when it comes to American wars/foreign policy.
>>518148946>stopped wearing the MAGA hat>doesn't want people to know we went to Afghanistan to get opium and oil>"if you dont support war you arent patriotic 3 more years of this orange nigger pedo boomer
>>518148946>Coulda Woulda shouldalmao, the cope
>>518148946america literally fought the war with one hand behind it's back. the military literally wasn't allowed to invade and occupy northern vietnam, which is where the vietcong got all of their resources from.
>>518152863Neocons are trotskyites you fucking communist.
He's actually right, left wing academics are the reason we gave up Vietnam. That said, we didn't need to be in Vietnam in the first place.
>>518153673>killing millions of sand nigger goat fuckers is a bad thingKys faggot
>>518149025dumb neocon retard
>>518153673We didn't go to Afghanistan to get oil, this is one of the worst war tropes of all time, it's a complete economic negative to go to any other place especially for oil with how many resources we have in NA and other countries we can deal with to get it.
>>518152088He immediately said the same thing about Afghanistan and he is threatening to restart that war.
>>518148946The US would have won ths war had he not gotten the bone spurs.
>>518148946We lost vietnam because the cock sucking democrats betrayed our troops, would not provide funding, equipment, intelligence, support, or officially declare war. The government sent our troops there to fend for themselves and die.
>>518149796>>we should have just nuked the civilians the vietkongThis would have gotten the soviets involved into a fullscale world war.
>>518148946Truthnuke and basedpilled
It was the Cold War not the Vietnam war. We won the Cold War. Nor was it the war to bring democracy to the Middle East, it was/is the war on terror.
>>518150081>alt historyYou smarmy lying faggot
>>518150109MIGA
>>518153827That, and the airfields out of southern China the North Vietnamese air force were allowed to use and keep supplies in and the Russian boats smuggling supplies along the coasts to VC embedded in the south. Unless the U.S. was willing (and allowed) to push into the north, and possibly antagonize China in any way, it was just thumb sitting to stay there.
>>518154305More like the war for greater israel
>>518154039>fighting wars for israel is good goyimkys kike
>>518154261That would have gotten china and russia involved, back then it wasn't like right now, the soviets actually had a huge military, it wasn't like russia today. Are you a mouth breather?
>>518153876That's a funny way of saying, "Jews," my friend!
imagine trying at something...
>>518154414Explain to me how GWOT was Israeli run? C'mon mutt boi, lets hear your take on it.
>>518148946>USA burned villages, massacred countless innocents, raped their women and children...>Devastated thousands of acres of land with cancerous herbicide from hell that still is a huge problem to this day>still lost>decades later>WE SHOULD HAVE HIT THEM HARDER lmfao take the big fat L bone spur pedo dipshit
>>518148946lol he's basically admitting they lost to taliban
>>518149025Trump doesn't understand that China had like a million man army in the north waiting for the Americans to go balls deep and sweep the floor with them.
>>518153976he’s actually wrong because the guidelines with fighting vietnam was to prevent the soviets from also invading.
>>518154456Did you know that Colin Powell was an actual Shabbos Goy? I read it on the most Jewish information site on the internet!
>>518154456
>>518154352Iknorite lolI’m sure the Nazis will win this time last time was a fluke
surprised he didn't blame biden lmaoyou WILL send your sons and yourself to die in vietcong tunnels on the other side of the planet. you WILL make them genocide countless vilages so that they all off themselves when they get back. MAXIMUM AMERICAN DEATH
>>518151409America IS full of cowards and pussies, nobody would care step out of line if it meant they might turn into what they've been conditioned to hate>the homelessIt's worse than being a felon, the idea you will be forced into poverty will make every single member of the military stay in line.
>>518154753Look at all that communism
>>518153876Not all of them were. But yes, many of the initial ones were former Trotskyites who stopped identifying with the left primarily because of the left's opposition to Vietnam. What is your point, exactly?
>>518155029Shut up poor
>>518150276The Julius Ceasar rape scene was the most jewish moment in cinematography history I've ever witnessed in my life. Inglorious Bastards is a close second, but normies are already desensitized to inhumane acts of cruelty against German goys. Jewish hatred of Rome is something that's innate for them, but falls out of the preview of public consciousness and morality. That's why Spartacus was such a bizarre show for me and all my buddies in highschool. Normies generally view ancient Rome and Greece in a dignified fashion, so Synder hitting the ground running with Rome being a malevolent and irredeemably evil society en par with nahtzees was fucking weird. They tried to cloak their revenge porn with lots of sex and gore, but still couldn't hide their contempt.
>>518154498kikes benefits from itkill shitskins and they become more radicalized and the jew sends all the radicalized ones to Europe and here to kill whites and hence and repeat. I'm not saying killing sandniggers are bad but the jew wins in this, it would be better we kill them both of this instead of this service to kikes
>>518155122ROFL get bent zoomer scum
>>518155122Purview**Caught dead to rights phone posting
>>518155154lol another angry poor
>>518155260No your not welfare Nazi lol
>>518148946Capitalism beat Communism at the end of the day, for better or worse.
Scott Ritter has been calling him a pigfucker for his speeches to military etc
>>518148946Why did so many black soldiers die in Vietnam?
>>518155435because when their commander told them to get down they all stood up and started dancing
>>518154501When you fly into Ho Chi Minh airport there’s a Popeyes chicken inside so we actually won in the end
>>518155435The draft lottery was later most of the war it was draft boards that sent asshole boomer Nazis and nigs to dieIt was a beautiful system
>>518155122>Synder hitting the ground running with Rome being a malevolent and irredeemably evil society en par with nahtzees was fucking weirdSnyder is an autistic Christcuck. Of course he hates Rome.
>>518149623>He is objectively correctly though?i can't even type an earnest response to you, because all im thinking of is the macvsog guys recounting how they stumbled through the jungle until they happened upon basically small armies on the march, columns of tanksyou and bonespur trumpstein will surely fair better than the handful of sog+vietnamese local partners who had a 'policy' of avoiding direct conflict
>>518148946General (((Bonespurs))) will lead us to Victory!
He's talking about genocide on a massive scale undreamed of by even the wildest boomer nightmares about Hitler including his. Cool.
>>518148946mutts could have easily decimated those viet cunts. gone full nakasaki/hiroshima and just exterminated those sub-humans. it's a shame they didn't. i hate viets soo much it's unreal, they're a criminal-minded bunch of parasites, who cause endless chaos in the uk.TVD.
He dodged the draft 5x
>>518148946He's gearing us up for another war. Gj drumpfnigs
He forgot about Iraq. Piles and piles and piles of bodies.Still too many of them around.Wait. What's happening in Palestine? There's still millions of them. Is he really giving up on Trump Skyscrapers overlooking Gaza beach? Less talk, more action, buddy.
>if we had just kept napalming villages, shooting civilians, and propping up puppet dictatorships in saigon and cracked down on those DAMN photographers talking about the living hell that was the war, we would have won and...um... showed russia that democracy is awesome and free!>hell do I didnt go over there, I had *checks notes* bonitis
>>518149423You are dumb as shit.
the horrors of AGENT ORANGE
>>518148946I don't think you fully grasp the gravity of all of your countries situation.Jews are a stateless entity who only serve themselves and their Master:Satan.>https://rumble.com/v6ztohy-president-putin-is-very-patient-tara-reade-at-valdai-forum.html?
>>518149025This. Bombing Vietnam was "political" and we were restrained by agreements with shit allies who never performed and our own politicians seeking to build clout by fucking our own war efforts. If we pulled back on our aggressive forest landings and just amplified our bombings tenfold, then it'd be over.>>518149126Afghanistan is the poster child for a war that fizzled out because we pussed out on bombings, so you're pretty obviously ignorant on the entire topic. So let me explain it to you:No war with fanatics or zealots can ever be won with a soft dick. You can never softly defeat a commie, islamist, or any other ideology that regularly spawns terrorists. You cannot be gentle and then say you'll build a base and teach them to police themselves. The ideology cannot be removed from the people, so you must remove the people who carry it. You have to be thorough. You don't put boots on the ground adjacent to them and give them a chance to become martyrs. You actively deny martyrs. You let them stare at the sky and yell profanities at drones and bombers, day after day after day until they begin to learn how futile their ideology is. For decades, the islamists and even Osama bin Laden said>Kill a few Americans and you winAnd he was right. We've fought battles in the middle east where we've killed 1000 troops for every 1 soldier we've lost. And we declare that we're losing and have to take a softer approach. Emboldened terrorists then keep acting out because they know we are too fucking pussy to actually ethnically cleanse them.>Islamic pirates are causing serious trade damage for 4 years>We start droning all of their gatherings>"N-not fair those are i-innocent villagers how c-could you">Keep doing it>Pirates stop>Iran threatens nuclear war for 4 years of protracted conflict>We bomb their facilities>"N-not fair t-time to r-retaliate">All of their missiles intercepted/missed and we keep shooting missiles at them>Iran stopsIt is that easy.
>>518155794his number was never called, you retarded fucking reddit nigger
>>518148946>dodged the draftkek
>>518155940>fucking our own war efforts. If we pulled back on our aggressive forest landings and just amplified our bombings tenfold, then it'd be over.why do you think we were in vietnam in the first place?
>>518155699He grew up in the Christian Chruch of Science. They are rabidly anti-Rome. I'm actually pretty sure it's just a bunch of crypto Jews LARPing as Christians. Snyder himself is actually half-Jewish himself, so it checks out.
>>518155122Jews hate Rome so much they push the idea that Italians aren't Romans. They despise them on a level that is beyond their hatred for Germans
>>518155260>I’m pretty well off honestly.you live in a pindia-tier country where in 2025, 1 out of 4 viets doesn't have indoor plumbing/toilets, and shits in the river, field, and/or street. where nearly 1 out of 20 lives without electricity.your entire species should be exterminated. one of the greatest moments of my life was killing one of you faggots on a motorbike. it was a genuine accident, but i didn't complain about paying 120tr compensation to the family. i would gladly do so again.all of you cunts need to gtfo of europe, and better yet, be wiped off this planet. i shit in the mouth of bac ho, and slaughter everyone tangentially related to the vcp. eos.
>>518153976what was the win condition and what should we have done to get there?
>>518149126he is fucking right about both. we had afghanistan entirely pacifier by 2003 but that wasn't good for business, or israel, so we sent 80% of the forces in Afghanistan to Iraq for 3 years and let it turn into a hornets nest
>>518149025and cleaned up our domestic communist problem. Jane Fonda was tap tap tapping for the chinks
>>518156128Does anyone actually know the goal? What was the official story, stop the spread of communism? I'm not so sure that isn't the real reason, so let's explore it... You would have to confront China, yet historical hindsight shows us we went on to give our manufacturing to China in the 90's. None of it makes sense if you engage with this retardation like Trump does. Only when you see war as a Rothschild war of banker expansion
>>518156128>what was the win condition and what should we have done to get there?you jew-dicked faggots should have gone full israhell, and genocided those cunts. imagine going against a peasant conscript army equipped with primitive weapons and still losing, fuck me.i would give anything to be a door gunner in 'nam, and indulge in the wholesale slaughter of those brownoid, sea monkey gooks.this is winning on an unimaginable level:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbeNSeIHiKU
>>518156569>we'll promote democracy and paint ourselves as the bastion of freedom and hope in the world by genociding the entirety of southeast asia while committing warcrimes and beating the shit out of our own populace for protesting it>god I hate jews tholmao, literal peas in a pod
The west, via feudalism, is used to waging wars versus powerful governments or individuals. These modern wars were fought against the populace, the only way to wage war against a populace is genocide.
>>518148946literally who caresthis was 60 years agohe's not really right in that if we played to win in Vietnam China would have intervened and we'd have had another Korea but not wrong in the context of Afghanistan where we could have just killed all of those goatfuckers.
>>518156520Probably the same reason we invaded Grenada. To serve notice to the world that you cannot drop out of the client state "free market" system. Sure, they kept "communism" in name only, but they do play ball.
>>518150431>So is he one of us?>hes literally me
>>518148946>>518149025he is right the viet cong came to the negotiating table after op Linebacker I and II, America could have pressured for a more favourable treaty or even pushed for victory but instead just wanted to wrap it up ASAP which is why America didn't come back to vietnam when the viet cong broke the treaty they did sign
>>518148946>blew operational load on Tet Offensive for nothing>VC completely fagged out>Gigantic fuckoff casualties in the Secret War by LRRPs & MACVSOG>Paris bluffing bailed out by backstabbing on the home front cutting funding for air support & arms to ARVN, which was doing just fine Moscow spent multiples of the war materiel aid to Vietnam on active measures to influence the US public. Pussyfooting invading the North - just like Korea - speaks to systemic seditious rot carried over from FDR allowing Soviets in his cabinet AND THE MANHATTAN PROJECT-- the Venona Decryption revelations came too late and the current year continues to pay the consequences with HIPPY FUCKING BOOMER FAGGOTS clawing on to power.
>>518148946NEOCONS now pushing Vietnam was actually a good war kek. This nation is just evil all the way around it seems.
>>518148946There wasnt any political will for the war in Vietnam.
>>518148946>>we would've won easy>>we got politically correct in vietnam>raping women and children and burning down entire villages with napalm from beginning to end>americans got demoralized from the televised brutality>american politicians and military officials spooked by exponential costs and the realization the war was unwinnable against a determined guerilla>soldiers got demoralized from weather, grievous injury, little progress>south vietnam was capitalist but also incredibly corrupt and unpopular having to rely on american gibspure copesimilar deal with afghanistan and that particular escapade cost $2.3 trillion
>>518156655i hate mutts, kikes, niggers, jeets, chinks, nips, bugs, gooks, sand niggers, spics, gippos, eskimos, sea monkeys, and any life that potentially exists in antarctica.if you're not european... foad. eos.
>>518157575Don't forget about having such a problem recruiting that they made it policy to recruit retards.
>>518157653if you dont like me i dont like youif you like me i like yousimple as
>>518148946Secret Service needs to turn its Havana Syndrome beams on this goon.
We were fighting over a football field bassically
>>518154039>supports pedophilia>flag checks outtypical frostback
>>518151986You are kinda being the faggy Redditor in this interaction, anon. We got the idea of anon's comments without your critique.
>>518155904Yeah call me dumb you stupid bitch, when Congress didn't even declare a war. Fucking retard.
>>518149423That's because it was an insurgency, we never were fighting North Vietnam at the time. Their anti aircraft would have decimated our planes.
>>518149126Literally both those conflicts the US btfo opposing forces in every battle. Primary issue was we didn't really have a clear win condition. Our supposed win conditions were to install friendly governments except the native populations were all too incompetent to create stable governments anyway so it was a moot point.
>>518148946We had no coherent strategy for either country. It's that simple. No political objective, no will to win.
>>518158454>we never were fighting North Vietnam at the timewhat the fuck did youy mean by this? who do you think the vietcong were?
>>518148946>THOSE POT SMOKING HIPPIES NOT DOING THEIR JOB
>>518148946
>>518154196Trump would have been fragged by his own troops. He's exactly that type.
Trump browses pol confirmed
I really want to see a war started and finished by trump be it through victory or retreat, now managed by his yes men hirewonder if he would take the blame for it or just shift blame as usual
>>518158587leftists are the knife at the nation's back.
>>518148946You don’t get a do over. The US will never again invade East Asia and massacre innocent civilians and it’s all thanks to China. One day, the people of Vietnam, Korea, Japan, and the Phillipines will recognize this.
>>518151409Grade school banter gets grade school replies
>>518151409Fascist Italy was aesthetic.Whereas Mussolini had blackshirts Trump has a gaggle of racially suspect pseudonegros and jewboys running around in khaki shorts and golf shirts looking like like overstuffed sausages.
>>5181489461 trillion dollars isn't trying hard enough?The Orange nigger doesn't understand that with the budget that the american military has, it shouldn't even need to try hard.Vietnam at least got Soviet/Russian help so there's a real excuse here.But Afghanistan is unexcusable.Don't even get me started on Iraq. That's also a lost war as the US barelly keeps that shithole under control adn the moment it leaves it'll become a Iranian and/or Chinese vassal.Houthis? Literally bombed the kikes this past week and threating to BTFO of american ships again. Billions wasted for nothing.
>>518156128>what was the win conditionparis peace accords>and what should we have donenuke hanoi after they captured saigon
>>518148946I am proud of Cpl Bonespur's insightful analysis.
>>518159063>The US will never again invade East Asia and massacre innocent civilianslollmao even
>>518159571>paris peace accordsso we won, right?
>>518148946That's a standard conservative belief
>>518148946>Glaucon: Then we must enlarge the territory again, must we not? — for the healthy city is no longer sufficient, but we must cut off a slice of our neighbors’ land, if we are to have pasture and tillage enough, and they in turn will desire a slice of ours, if they too abandon themselves to the unbounded acquisition of wealth.>Plato: And so we shall go to war, Glaucon.
>>518148946God Trump is such a fucking moron.>>518149028>That may be true but trying harder would also have meant more dead Americans.It's not true. Unless you mean invading North Vietnam. Which would have pulled in the Chinese Army just as it did when we invaded North Korea in the Korean War. The difference is that the Chinese Army was in much better shape in 1968 than in 1950. And instead of a Sino-Soviet split after Kissinger and Nixon opened China. We would have drove China into the arms of the Soviet Union.Trump should really shut the fuck up if he doesn't know what he is talking about. But the people he is talking to are ignorant jingoistic morons who don't understand geopolitics.
>>and we should have nuked hanoi after they captured saigon
>>518150218>this is possibly the only thing boomercons are ever right about; the failure to fight wars to win when there is a righteous cause, IE killing commies to preserve a lesser evil democracy not yet matured into pluto-democracy or a good autocracy, for which Vietnam fits.Holy fuck you're retarded. Not only is democracy fake, but the government was even more corrupt that kikeraine. The reason we couldn't win the war is because the US Army spent all its time raping Vietnamese women and committing collective punishment on whole villages and otherwise behaving like a bunch of sadists that everyone rightly hated.Vietnamese communism wasn't even communism. It was basically national socialism. In fact, all communism(other than the Soviet Union) has effectively been anti-imperialism and hypernationalism.
>>518148946He's right. This is how America will soon beat Iran and stop them getting nuclear weapons. Only very stupid people will say "but that's war and war is bad" this isn't war, this is stopping war. As Hegseth said if you care about peace then you understand when war is necessary, you don't let your enemies walk over you
>>518153876>Neocons are trotskyites you fucking communist.Communism was invented by kikes for global domination. Neoconservatism was invented by kikes for global domination.Kikes don't have ideologies. Ideologies are a means to an end.You dumb niggers need to start thinking more like kikes.
>>518161435>all communism has effectively been anti-imperialismThe real reason they hate it.
>>518150780>He's right if you kill your enemies you win. If you kill everyone who is going to resist you?You are presupposing this was actually possible or wouldn't have come with severe geopolitical consequences.Sure, we could have nuked them. Then what? Fight the whole world at the same time?
>>518161647why would curbing Iran's nuclear power stop a war?
>>518149623>>518150218>>518150675>>518150780>>518155940>>518156445>>518158577MIGAfaggot cancer
>>518149804Don't you remember how Trump fought so valiantly in Vietnam?
>>518162590That pic really needs the biggest warhawk of them all, John Bolton.
>>518160913You are genuinely retarded and I see you post a lot so kys plz
>>518162875Wow. Such great arguments. You can't possibly be a retarded nigger.
>>518148946it's objectively true, though. america chickened out, it wasn't militarily defeated.
>>518148946>welmaowhat he wants to say is that the jew that speaks through him claims not enough whites died
>>518150664>world think you’re tyrants like Putin.or maybe putin isn't the guy jews want him to be in your mind
>>518163001War is literally politics by other means. We lost the war because we lost the politics. And pursuing the war would have only further weakened our position.To put it into terms MIGA-tards might understand, we won the Cold War by dividing our enemies and portraying the Soviet Union as the evil empire. The Vietnam War was not only bankrupting us economically, it was uniting our enemies and turning the whole world against us. It was something akin to what Pissrael is doing in Gaza.
>>518154456they also made ukraine happen
We were literally on the verge of winning until Democrats and leftists at home sabotaged the war effort
>>518163381winning what?
>>518163460a participation trophy.
>>518148946Trump was always a neocon
>>518148946>Trump Repeats Neocon Talking Point That America Didn't Try Hard Enough in VietnamIts not quite as dumb as it sounds.1: Vietnamese General Giapp said that they were pretty much out of resources at the point that the US called it quits and they probably would have had to accept a peace treaty that kept South Vietnam intact if the war had gone on for another year or so.2: The United States never invaded North Vietnam during the war for fear of Chinese involvement like what happened when we invaded North Korea after pushing them out of South Korea. The fear was that if we pushed into North Vietnam the Chinese would get involved and things could deteriorate into WWIII.3: Being unable to conquer North Vietnam through invasion the US strategy was reduced to a prolonged war of attrition with little strategy beyond killing the enemy until we broke their will to fight. This strategy ultimately failed as the American people's will to fight broke before the Vietnamese people's will to fight.4: The Vietnamese on both sides lost about 2 million people in the war. No one in the US military command believed that the North Vietnamese could possibly be that determined to take South Vietnam. From their perspective North Vietnam was a communist nation trying to conquer a capitalist nation and they simply wouldn't care enough to keep fighting a protracted war that was causing massive casualties. In contrast the Vietnamese felt they were fighting a war to liberate their countrymen in the south from foreign imperial control and that this was a war for independence that they must win. This failure to understand the other side's motivation created the protracted shit show that was the the Vietnam war.TLDR: It was a stupid war and the US never should have been involved and definitely shouldn't have enacted the draft to keep fighting the war. But we were pretty close to forcing the North Vietnam to accept a peace treaty that would have protected South Vietnam.
>>518148946My grandpa fought in vietnam. The best way to describe the american performance in vietnam; is to imagine fighting a war with both hands tied behind your back. That's how fucked our guys were.
>>518148946>America Didn't Try Hard Enough in VietnamWho gives a shit? That was for the benefit of the gooks and they are not white. If they want to fight and die by the millions to be like North Korea instead of South Korea, let them.At the end they had to adopt capitalism just the same to not be poor and sad. All that fight, all that effort, all those millions dead just to end up admitting: "America was right, capitalism was better, we were stupid and fought to stay poor and suffering".Now they work in a factory for 200 bucks a month to build shit for Americans to buy cheap and enjoy. And they call that "winning".
>>518155942Get his dick out your mouth, he doesn't care about you.
>>518158577It didn't help that Trump freed all of the captured Taliban leaders and soldiers.
>>518163381not eventhe war was expensive and a big logistics problemno progress was being made by american soldiers due to booby traps, insurgencies, underground tunnel networks and hideouts, terrain, etc.
>>518163738> the US never should have been involved and definitely shouldn't have enacted the draft Good summary. I agree with that the draft was a mistake, but the USA should have supported the south like it's supporting Ukraine today. No boots on the ground, but lots of training and weapons.
>>518149769this, he is a coward
>>518150591Barely anyone actually got drafted, look into it. They ended up with a lot of retards because the draft was so easy to dodge of the small number of people that were drafted only people who bought into the propaganda didn't dodge it.
>>518164024>No boots on the ground, but lots of training and weapons.Thats exactly what happened though and the afghani and vietnamese puppet governments instantly folded after american troops left.
>>518148946America shouldn't have been in Vietnam in the first place.> OH NO a bunch of jungle hooks are going to lose ALL of their money ($100) by making a stupid financial decision! Quick! White Man! All of your sons MUST DIE! I would rather EVERY WHITE MAN DIE than the precious jubgle gook lose any money! I will shoot you if you dont go!
>>518163738>>518164024>but the USA should have supported the south like it's supporting Ukraine today. No boots on the ground, but lots of training and weapons.We did for a while after we withdrew our forces and while we did it kept South Vietnam afloat; but the Democrats got a majority and forced a vote to withdraw the funding and that gave North Vietnam the upper hand they needed to invade.I'm really not sure if South Vietnam could be saved they were wildly corrupt and their own people didn't support them. Throughout the Vietnam war US and South Vietnamese forces spent as much time fighting Viet Cong insurrectionists as we did fighting the Viet Minh (IE the North Vietnamese army).
>>518164024USA (jews) started both conflicts, NATO faggot
>>518164121Most of those drafted were just forced to volunteer first so they wouldnt get some shit assignment
>>518164336>USA (jews) started both conflicts, NATO faggotThe Vietnam war started when the North Vietnamese were fighting the French. You should learn history before you offer an opinion on it.
>>518148946We should have gone in as a genocide campaign, killing anything that moved and selling plots of land to settler companies. If China got uppity, we could hurl nukes into their 5 population centers and irradiate the yellow river.
>>518164388And how did the french get there retard?
>>518164388nigger please, it was a kiked campaign like the rest of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
>>518164310They didnt care about the gooks they just wanted to save their jewish companies and shekels from being taken by them
>>518164411They had a colony there that was founded in 1887.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_IndochinaAre you suggesting that the United States did that retard?
>>518164509And are you suggesting the us and france werent the aggressors?
>>518164500>nigger please, it was a kiked campaign like the rest of them:I'm not denying it was an asinine military industrial complex shit show. From the perspective of the military industrial complex they got what they wanted, over a decade of massive military spending. But you said we started the Vietnamese war and we didn't. That's simply an incorrect statement regardless of motivation.https://youtu.be/U4woOdc5iKk
>>518148946He's correct. The US both there and in the middle east just plopped our forces down and had them wait for the enemy to come to them to shoot at while bombing non-strategic targets, quite literally wasting money and resources to accomplish nothing at all instead of bombing things that mattered. Imagine if in WW2 all we did was bomb the Japanese coastline.
>>518148946If we could have bombed and rocketed on the other side of the 17th parallel we could have killed them all. We could have nuked them. But at what price...what price? Vietnam is one of the best arguments for capitalism in modern history.
>>518148946It's true. Should've bombed China.
>>518164652And what would your genius strategy have been?
>>518164652what was america doing in the middle east?
>>518164607How can the US be the aggressor when North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam? While the US never invaded North Vietnam and while the US was always willing to accept a peace treaty that preserved both nations.You can argue that the North Vietnamese aggression was justified because they were liberating their countrymen; but arguing that a country that's trying to conquer another country isn't the aggressor is retarded and disingenuous. You could have just accepted you were wrong; but you doubled down on your retardation. You have no clue what you're talking about and you're making a fool of yourself. Hang it up and learn from your mistake. You lose, you get nothing, good day sir.
>>518164745Fuck "search and destroy" tactics. Enact a genocide campaign, killing anything that moves, and then selling plots of land to settler companies.
>>518164652>The US both there and in the middle east just plopped our forces down and had them wait for the enemy to come to themwhere the fuck did you learn your history?
>>518164812Killing browns.
>>518148946>we lost those wars cuz we didn’t wanna winlol tap tap tap
>>518164832le heckin genocide isnt an actual strategy real life isnt a video game
>>518148946200% tariffs on all allies and Nuke anyone who doesn't say thank you. It's the American eay
>>518148946US unironically didn't try hard enough in Vietnam You either don't get involved at all or don't back out at all. Once you involved yourself you gotta go all in>>518154510Korea also had a million man Chinese army, look at how the southern half isn't starving today
>>518164895Carthage was never a threat ever again. By enforcing a wholesale genocide of anything that moves, you can completely invalidate guerilla tactics and partisan warfare.
>>518149025what would that have accomplished? The weapons were being made in China and Russia, so bombing North Vietnam wouldn't have done anything there, and the US factually did bomb the shit out of the main North -> South supply route (the Ho Chi Minh Trail)
>>518148946Wow so based and MAGA
>>518163872>Now they work in a factory for 200 bucks a month to build shit for Americans to buy cheap and enjoy. And they call that "winning".Pic related.>>518164024Wouldn't really have worked out.Read Lam Son 719.
>>518164815>there were the real heckin invaders because they wanted to take back a part of their country being occupied by foreign powerssure retard
Hell yeah that's great news that we're not politically correct anymore
>>518164745>And what would your genius strategy have been?To win the United States would have had to invade North Vietnam. Which would have risked Chinese involvement in the war and could have lead to WWIII. If you were willing to accept that risk then you could have unleashed a heavy bombing campaign and then made a push to conquer the capital of Ho Chi Minh city and the other major cities. At that point you'd still have a massive guerilla insurgency; but if your objective is just to preserve South Vietnam not to conquer North Vietnam then you could have negotiated a withdrawal of all US and South Vietnamese forces from North Vietnam in exchange for a peace treaty that would preserve South Vietnam. You could then withdraw all US forces.That's the only way to win it and that would have required the US to fundamentally change its strategy.
>>518165110>for a peace treaty that would preserve South Vietnam. You could then withdraw all US forces.Nixon did this and the north broke the treaty almost immediately.
>>518148946We, could’ve destroyed the zipper heads and the sand niggers without a sweat if unleashed to do so.POTUS being correct again.
>>518164959>just make the entire world and your own countrymen hate you because you wanted to larp as romans in 200 bc haha
>>518164959At what cost though? You don't get a client state in the aftermath, there's just an empty wasteland, and you horrify everyone else in the processIt can work in a situation like the American frontier when you're stronger than any potential coalition of local powers, can just flood the land with your own people, and you don't have to kill that many in the first place, but Asia has way more people and 1970s America had a flat population (plus Vietnam supports different agriculture than America, has a different climate, etc.)
>>518165041>there were the real heckin invaders because they wanted to take back a part of their country being occupied by foreign powersSouth Vietnam wasn't their country you disingenuous twat. You want to invade another country then yeah you're the aggressor. You can make a claim that its justified; but you're still the aggressor.You're full of shit. I've proven you wrong twice now and you just keep trying to slime your way out of it with pil pul bullshit like a greasy kike. With every post you make yourself look more and more pathetic.
>>518165176I wonder why.
>>518148946>Winning a war that had zero utility Boomers were such a mistake
Should've just tried harder in pyeongyang as well. Americans never say about retreat at pyeongyang. Just say your entire nation was scared by Chinese intervention in Vietnam war
>>518164316Notice the iron jaws on these young men.Because they are men.Not bloated puffed up fags.
>>518165211You simply lack to will to power.>>518165223It would be to send a message, and it would be a perfect client state in time. By parsing out land to settle and develop, it would pay itself off in time and be a loyal client state since it would be populated by loyal home-grown and allied citizens.
>>518165253Vietnam was the country south vietnam was an occupied portion of vietnam that they fought to retake I dont get why this is so hard for you to understand
>>518165110>you could have negotiated a withdrawal of all US and South Vietnamese forces from North Vietnam in exchange for a peace treaty that would preserve South Vietnamthats literally what we did. North Vietnam had no reason whatsoever to honor the treaty and Saigon/SV was so full of insurgents it was basically Communist vietnam territory anyway
>>518165176>Nixon did this and the north broke the treaty almost immediately.Yeah; you have to be willing to come back and kick their shit in if they break the treaty. We weren't willing to come back.The whole thing was a shit show, I still don't think we should have been involved at all; but if you were fighting to try and win the thing an invasion and negotiated peace is your best bet IMO.
>>518148946>xitter
>>518165384It was not retardAre these trannies who say about best korea and shit
>>518165110So in other words your genius tactics wouldve been to start WW3 and have a prequel to afghanistan.
this whole thread is just a treasure trove of examples why imperialists are hated.
>>518165538Imperialists are only hated when they don't finish the job.
>>518165496Except it was, south veitnam was just a puppet state of france and later the us who the majority of people in it hated and wanted to unite with north vietnam
>>518165496>said the feminist cult ran chopped face dystopia
>>518165380who are these loyal home-grown and allied citizens, and where are they coming from? Are they the borderline mutinous conscripts the US sent in real life that were horrified by far milder atrocities?
>>518165572no longer how this works in a globalized world.
>>518165380Real life isnt a video game maybe try not getting your understanding of geopolitics from hoi4
>>518165384Moving the goal posts again, typical. North and South Vietnam were both created at the 1954 Geneva conference.Neither of them could be said to be more or less legitimate than the other. Neither of them could make any claim to be "the real Vietnam". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Geneva_ConferenceNorth Vietnam was just as much an imperial asset of the Soviet Bloc as South Vietnam was an imperial asset of NATO.
>>518165700North vietnam never had a massive insurgency to try and topple their government and reunite the rest of the country, it was clear which vietnam was the real one.
>>518162454>muh MIGAYou gave a mental illness
>>518165513If you want to win it, yeah. I don't think winning the Vietnam war was worth risking WWIII and as you pointed out South Vietnam would have been plagued with a prolonged communist insurgency even if my plan was successful.The best move is to just not get involved; but my strategy would at least play itself out in a year or two rather than being a prolonged ten year shit show that kills millions of people.
There was nothing to do in Vietnam. US went there for nothing>Vietnam was 2x more bombed than the hole WW2>US Aircraft loses are estimated in 10,000>South Vietnam goverment was incredibly corrupted and couldn't afford to maintain equipment that the US lend>Despite losses, NVG had more desire to fight than US troopsNothing could've been done to win. It was just another Korea war FOUGH FOR NOTHING
>>518148946Vietnam and Korea were the only wars we should have been in over the past 120 years
>>518165814>The best move is to just not get involved; but my strategy would at least play itself out in a year or two rather than being a prolonged ten year shit show that kills millions of people.Sure just start WW3 instead where 100x more die in a year or two
>>518165604If you offered a 20 acre plot of land for free and gave a 35k yearly development grant to communities, you would see a second manifest destiny.>>518165641Just don't let the refugees leave. Israel is a doing a pretty good job at that all things considered. >>518165663It could be normalized in one generation. It was normal for thousands of years.
>>518165892you are fucking retardedDomino theory or not, We shouldnt have been in Vietnam in the first place, and France shouldve had to deal with their own colonies or let them have independance. WE should have let them hold their elections back in fucking 191(2?) but HCM's iddiot right hand man had to agitate guerilla attacks and LBJ had to go on the offensive after JFk got shot
>>518165780Moving the goal posts again. This is just getting sad. Having insurgents in your country doesn't mean you're not a country.Honestly faggot, if you want to say that North Vietnam was justified in their aggression because the South was a US puppet then just say it. That's a justifiable position. I gave you that option at the start of our little exchange.But if you want to keep playing queer word games to pretend that you weren't wrong and that North Vietnam wasn't the aggressor then I'm going to keep calling you out for being full of shit. This is just about your ego. You were wrong, you can say you misspoke; but you were wrong and you've been proven wrong like 4 times now and each time you just shove your head farther up your ass to pretend that 2+2 doesn't equal 4 and I'm bored of it.I don't care what bullshit you come up with next to pretend that South Vietnam wasn't a real country.
>>5181660851961/2*
>>518165989see, be hated enough globally and you're getting tariffs and embargoes up your ass and then suddenly you're no longer a global and influential economy just another soviet union.
>>518166085There was no reason to fight at all. Ho Chi Minh (Just like Mao) seeked US support for their independence. Supporting Vietnam was the most logical thing, since the US would've another ally in Asia to disrupt China Influence (China vs Vietnam is a thing that is worthy to research). But no, US supported the French with fear to lose a "crucial ally", with is a big bullshit if you know that the French with DeGaulle knew that American interference in Europe politics was real and dangerous
>>518148946That's rich coming from a guy that dodged service in Vietnam due to "bone spurs". He goes on to brag about his physical fitness...
>>518166173Israel will, unfortunately, face next to no consequences. The United States during the cold war could commit mass genocides and other than some mean words, face no consequences.
This nigga is retarded
>>518164024>but the USA should have supported the south like it's supporting Ukraine today.The moment Ngo Dienh got assassinated, South Vietnam lost all credibility as a 'sovereign state'.Ho Chi Minh was a revolutionary that fought against Japanese and French colonizers. He was like the closest thing George Washington of the 20th century.A Vietnamese nationalist will listen to what Ho Chi Minh has to say, not a bunch of white guys from the other side of the world.Imagine if George Washington was told states south of Pennsylvania would have sovereignty but states to the North would be part of the Canadian commonwealth.The First Indochina War was inconclusive.
>>518148946Can't bomb insurgency. Nobody seems to learn this one lesson.
>>518151051> Do you think the Americans during WW2 were able to live their lives here as if nothing was happening?Yes they did. We only joined after is was decided. We bombed germans cowardly and inaccurately from high altitudes and gave a bunch of shit to the soviets prior to that. Its as if it never happened back home
>>518166894>We bombed germans cowardly and inaccurately from high altitudes>ve did nussing, its all der verdammt anglo's fault
>>518149423It was the Vietnam Special Operations
>>518164310We were in Vietnam for the same reason we were in Korea, retard.The reason we failed in South Vietnam and not in Korea is because unlike in 1950, we wanted to make sure we avoided a direct war with China because the balance of power had shifted between 1950 and 1965. The only reason we were able to pull out of Vietnam was because Nixon went cap in hand to China.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353s
>>518166894i don't know who acyn is but she is definitely right in this case. it's like they think they're on a team, and they're going to win. but the reality is that they're all just pawns on a chessboard
>>518165253>South Vietnam wasn't their country you disingenuous twat.South Vietnam was never a country. It was an artificial creation of the imperialists to control the Mekong.The government was not created by the Vietnamese people, nor was it ever supported by the Vietnamese people. Including the people of so-called South Vietnam. Moreover, the United States violated the 1954 agreement against introducing foreign troops into the conflict.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Geneva_ConferenceWe and the French were the bad guys. We didn't come as liberators. We came to contain China.
>>518166089You're delusional. North Vietnam was essentially a popular revolutionary government. South Vietnam was an artificial creation of imperialists. Which is why South Vietnam collapsed when we left.Same fucking thing that happened in Afghanistan. We propped up a bunch of boy-fuckers and pretended it was a democracy. What a fucking joke.
>>518164619>But you said we started the Vietnamese war and we didn't.We were defacto the aggressor, retard. The Vietnamese didn't want us there. Neither in the North or the South. The existence of an illegitimate puppet government does not prove your case.
>>518165380>You simply lack to will to power.I have the will to power, but America cannot defeat the whole world at the same time, retard.If America actually did the shit people in this thread say we should have done, America wouldn't even exist.
>>518149028Not really. Bomb the dams, millions of dead gooks overnight ght. Can't be at war with North Vietnam if North Vietnam doesn't exist.
>>518168991cant be a beacon of hope against the soviet union and China if you commit a genocide
>>518165989>It could be normalized in one generation. It was normal for thousands of years.Rome could do it because no one could stop them. Carthage was their only real rival. Once Carthage fell, Rome could essentially do whatever it wanted. It also slaughtered and enslaved Gauls and many others.Americans could likewise genocide the natives for a similar dynamic(manifest destiny). But that was back when most of the world was weak and disorganized. If we tried such a heavy-handed tactic in 2025, we would be facing not only be facing WWIII, but a massive domestic insurgency. And we would lose.
>>518165395>We weren't willing to come back.We were bankrupt, retard. Why do you think Nixon took us off the gold standard? Do you have any idea how much that war cost? Going back to Vietnam was imperial suicide. And the only reason we were really able to leave Vietnam is because Nixon and Kissinger basically promised China the moon to split them from the Soviets.
I mean, he's not wrong.America lost when they did tactical attacks behind the lines that they documented and spread propaganda in the US that "America is losing all their sons in this war look how deep this attack was" so that the American citizens protested until the government had to bend the knee to the citizens and withdraw when in actuality they were winning
