Why are americans like this?
Where’s the issue? They chose to live with their offspring, regardless of the disorder.
>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO DELIVER THE HECKING TARDBLOB OR YOURE EVIL!!!!!
>>518435398>>518435513>>518435546ABORTION IS MURDERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PBXPyLpKL8
>>518435513And they can but why care if others dont?
>>518435398I've known people who were told by doctors when they were preggo that their child would be retarded or deformed and that they should get an abortion. Only for the baby to be born perfectly fine and healthy. Our medical system is pure fucking evil.
That is pretty sad, people with Down syndrome are some of the only people that appreciate life.They are all happy and selfless.
What's the difference between killing the baby before and after it comes out? If there weren't ultrasounds and you only found out the baby was retarded after it was birthed, would you kill it?
>>518435635I don’t?
Only glows, kikes and christ cucks want tards being born.
>>518435858its not like they have niggers to be in special ed with in scandinavia, who cares
>>518435717i mean down syndrome is pretty cut and dry.Your kid either has extra chromosomes or not.
>>518435858people like you dont realize that tv downies are like 1 in 20. many of them go into a violent tardrage mode daily, shitting and pissing themselves. 100% have other physical health conditions and most of them other mental health conditions. they often have teeth problems, respiratory problems, heart problems, constipation, they are hard of hearing and have bad eyesight. the dosh alone is a huge fucking burden. they dont live good lives and their parents lives get fucked up until the tard dies early (usually about 30)
>>518435858I would be happy and selfless too if someone constantly cared, fed and cleaned me and not tell me what to do all the time.
>>518435546>>518435398Abortion is Good thing. Just remember that everyone on pol should have been aborted
>>518435398If you unironically choose to keep a tard baby, you'll be a constant drain on government resources the rest of your life, resources which could go towards better things, but instead are going towards your mutant offspring.It will contribute nothing to society, and be a fucking pain for everyone who has to deal with it.Probably the most selfish thing you could do, is to keep a tard when given the option.Pure attentionwhoring.
>>518435611Even if was true : So what?Murder is not inherently bad. There's plenty of people out there that are objectively burdening (or even actively acting against the interest of) society.
>>518436263This. Your lifes basically over if you have a kid like that. Good luck raising your other children if you have any
>>518436263None of this justifies eugenics.
>>518436478Would you adopt the downies?
>>518436478>None of this justifies eugenicsAs long as you pay for it and do all the work, I'm with you.
>>518436478yeah it does, why wouldnt it? there are no winners to raising a downie. it pauses the parents lives who will be too burdened to raise another child or advance their careers. itll syphon funds from the government, and all that investment will not result in anything. the tardblob dies having made zero contributions to society
>>518436478Eugenics justifies eugenics, pussy.Kill all downies. I hate their fucking faces so much.
>>518436478So you would rather someone go through a life suffering so you can feel good about yourself?
>>518436579>>518436625I don't have to adopt them in order to know they deserve to live. If you can't raise a disabled child you shouldn't raise any child. Any child you have could become disabled at any moment.>>518437463People with Down Syndrome are made in the Imago Dei and deserve to live.
>>518435398>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST ABORT A BURDEN ON SOCIETY
>>518435398>Why are americans like this?They think God must have cursed them with a downie for some reason and they consider a lifetime of tard wrangling to be virtuous rather than a waste of time and effort.>>518436579>Would you adopt the downies?Can I use them as cheap labor? Like teach them how to mine bauxite or maybe have them fight for an audience?
>>518436478>None of this justifies eugenics.Yeah, God forbid we should try to breed mankind into a smarter, stronger, healthier race.Enjoy the average global IQ going down to 70. I'm sure civilization can survive the competency crisis.
>>518437663I unironically think tards are less of a burden than niggers. You’re right that any child could become disabled at any moment.
>>518437870They often bag groceries and do other cheap labor. There is a provision in us law you can actually pay them less than normal. Parents of disabled children don’t mind it because it gives their adult tard children something to do.
>>518436261They dont test the chromosomes you retarded nigger. They go off of other signs like an uktrasound showing a tiny speck on the heart
>>518435398Downies are usually fine. Slow but friendly and can do 75% of stuff on their own. It's the autism you need to watch out for. The screaming uncontrollable fucks that destroy shit
>>518438031>Grocery baggersWho the fuck needs that
>>518438076>The screaming uncontrollable fucks that destroy shitSounds like 95% of the "normal" population.
>>518437663>If you can't raise a disabled child you shouldn't raise any child. Any child you have could become disabled at any moment.Yes and?
My parents had a retarded child and neglected their two actually viable children and the retard just died anyways at about 30 from aspiration and the two other children me and my sister got a horrible childhood experience of neglect because the retard required constant care and when it died too they didn't change by giving more attention to us instead they changed by becoming deranged, attending church every single day sometimes twice a day, and obsessing over their dead retard while continuing to ignore their two not retarded children who are struggling.
>>518435398what does downs do to a person besides give them a tard face?
>>518438031>There is a provision in us law you can actually pay them less than normalADA says no way pal
>>518438220They are essentially not human. They talk like a fag and their shit's all retarded.
>>518436261Doctors can just say anything and they're often even jewish. You're assuming due diligence is a consideration or even standard, which is nothing more than an indication of your own gullibility.
>>518435611Call it what you will, I think anyone with even a minor defect should be terminated mercifully, and that MAID should also be legal, and every drug legal except NARCAN. People need to just fucking die more, keeping alive people in a state of misery for your own entertainment just for them to die anyways like everyone does is retarded. Every birth is a death sentence, if death is so terrible, then never have children.
>>518435398Downs still have more of a reason to live than low functioning autists.But yeah, Americans are obsessed with breeding old disgusting hags.
>>518438100>Who the fuck needs thatNobody and they get credit to their social security so when they do stop working they get a massive payout. It's a social security scam.
>>518435858Lol you've never been around retards they just drool, shit, vomit, piss, and suffer it's all they do.
>>518436161I'd kill anyone of any age if they are suffering from a problem that can't be solved any other way than death.
>>518435398Why are bongs like this?
>>518438303>Downs still have more of a reason to live than low functioning autists.They usually only live to their late 30s. So they infact don't have a reason to live because they are dead. Also most of what you see down syndrome kids doing is because of government spending of tax payer funds.
>>518438308>Lol you've never been around retards they just drool, shit, vomit, piss, and suffer it's all they do.Sounds like any other "average" citizen.
>>518436478Eugenics doesn’t need to be justified, it is the way every living animal and human ever has procreated
>>518436263Exactly what happened in my family also right now I'm suffering from a respiratory issue and waiting the whole year (finally going to visit a doctor on October 17th) just with nausea, sleeplessness, and all the problems that come from my impaired breathing due to kind of blockage somewhere in the back (it's not a deviated septum, already had an x-ray). If after my next appointment they don't suggest another appointment and just tell me they can't find the issue I'm doing a ton of psychedelics and just giving up on life, I want to get so high so constant I don't know what's going on anymore and disassociate completely, because this is already hell and my issues are minor compared to what my retarded brother had who died at 30 from aspiration.
>>518437963Those with intellectual disabilities deserve love and acceptance, not murder in the womb.
>>518435717Great source you have there
>>518438346That sounds like a you problem that can only be solved by yourself.
>>518438487Eugenics isn't real.
>>518436312These tard lovers have some weird psychological complex where they hate their normal children. They just want a broken disabled retard to take care of and make fake narratives about.
>>518435611>>518435858>>518437663I'll not ruin my bloodline with a downie, christcuck
>>518438217Tell them they can see the retard baby again in the afterlife and to go there asap
>>518438556Basically yes.They have complete control and get extra minet from the government. They gwt to live their fod fantasy and have it paid for by other people.
>>518436478Eugenics is always 100% justified. Dysgenics on the other hand is the great filter, the greatest crime ever, and ultimately leads to the collapse of a society by failing infrastructure idiocracy style. It's happened in the past go watch Will Durant history lectures, various societies like Rome really fell apart simply because all the non-dysgenic people died off or didn't reproduce enough and the useless people then were easily conquered by more virile outsiders that hadn't depleted their useful human capital. Many a monarchy or empire also has been led by increasingly retarded hereditary rulers and led their empire into troubles as a result.
>>518438600>I'll not ruin my bloodlineYou already did that when you were born though.
>>518438672Doesn't matter eugenics isnt real.You're just a degenerate.
>>518437663Fuck off with your religion bullshit. All of you religious people make me mightily suspicious with your very obvious and intense fear of death. Religion teaches that there's an afterlife so please explain to me why dying is such a big fucking deal when you have an afterlife to go to? What's wrong with sending people to heaven quicker?
>>518436478Imagine having to explain your retarded kid that they could have been born healthy but instead you decided to have him be subnormal to demonstrate the entire world they you have such a great heart and resilience. Imagine all Tel likes and reposts that would net you, yayyy
>>518435398god I hate mutts
>>518438031Meanwhile much more able-bodied people can't find work.Fuck that. They bag a few groceries while costing everyone millions. My tard brother costed the Canadian government a few million dollars. I meanwhile live off of 12k a month. They should have just killed him and gave me like 100k and I could do so much with my life, instead millions spent just for a retard to become embalmed and sit in a coffin now in a local cemetery (the rest of us will be cremated btw).
>>518438757You're just an angry midwit.
>>518435717Show me 3 (three) cases, come on. Shouldn't be that hard if you say that it's as common as it is
>>518438874>They should have just killed him and gave me like 100kNice logic there.
>>518438303If they have "more of a reason to live" it's because of all the special treatment they get and it's also just fucking sad in the end because they aren't going to live long. Why would you want to create people who are determined to live and yet won't get to live long?
>>518438415If two retards have a kid, what are the chances its also retarded?
>>518437663there is a time between conception and delivery in which there is no child, just cells. we can argue about how long that period is and where the line is but preventing life is not the same as ending life and if you dont see that you are having problems distinguishing categoriesall life is growth, but not all for growth is also lifeI dont actually hate the tards or their parents for their mistake. tards are tards and they cant help that. and its not an easy thing to navigate as a parent either
>>518435611>bombing children in other countries>perfectly fine>abortion>NOOO NOT MY HECKIN FETUSWhat's up with these contradictions?
>>518438365That pic is why infanticide needs to be legal, common, and accepted.
>>518438061I have first hand experience for this. They first do a blood test (NIPT) the results for which are 99% accurate. Then for certain mutations they perform amniocentesis to see whether the mutation is in the amniotic fluid or not.So there are no mistakes when it comes to DNA.
>>518435611>>518435717>>518435858>>518436478>>518437663>Just spend your entire life taking care of a 50 IQ retard bro!Let me guess, you think the majority of abortions being niggers is a bad thing too?
>>518438443There's a huge mess of dysgenic trash in America that needs to just die. Just look at any 1900s classroom photo compared to current year classroom photos. America has become a country of disabled freaks.
>>518435398Better to care for invalids than obese. Why don't psycho Europeans execute heavy people?
>>518439023Ask your parents.
>>518439052>doctor says your fetus is abnormal>abort it>turns out it was perfectly healthywewso we trust the doctors now?
>>518438500What does your "love and acceptance" mean in reality? It means being constantly burned out, screaming at your children and your spouse, becoming a mess yourselves, etc. that's the "love and acceptance" I saw from my parents. Everything they did their whole lives has been for virtue signal points and they get embarrassed and won't take me out places because I'll tell the truth about the absolute hell my life has been. If my brother wasn't blind, deaf, and paralysed he probably would have also spoken out against everything and just asked to die. He was so crippled and retarded he couldn't even make the choice for himself to die as he couldn't respond to anything.
>>518439113You first.
>>518438555>eugenics isn't real>diabetes all time high>cancer all time high>heart disease skyrocketing>numerous other genetic disorders skyrocketinghuh, it's almost like people that had diseases genetically passed took medicine that kept them alive to have children have these same genetic markers, just to breed with other people eventually who have these genetic markers. just to make a child who is basically guaranteed now to have these genetic markers.passing those genes onto a new generation of children with these genetic markers not just for one disease, but now multiple diseases, now passing those markers onto a new generation who have multiple genetic markers to eventually breed with another person who has multiple genetic markers. to reach a new generation of children with even more disorders.eventually you gotta let nature take its own route to some degree m8.eugenics is easily provable.
>>518438514Your response to me makes no sense.>>518438555The heritability of traits is real and not all traits are equal. Eugenics is absolutely real.
>>518439204>turns out it was perfectly healthyIt wasn't, they're just lying for sympathy and maybe some money from a lawsuit.They are both obviously liswrs and wouldn't have given anything to society eithwr way.
>>518439090WRONG, i have friends that were recommended to abort because there was a bright speck on the baby’s heart and they said it meant down syndrome. They ignored the doctor, anf their kid was born perfectly healthy
>>518438613They are obese, hoarders, and plagued with various boomer health problems from shit lifestyle choices. They're going to die soon enough I just hope it's my mother first because at least my father works and keeps things going, my mother if she outlives my father is going to get us all homeless really fast. Ideal situation is my mother dies first, then my father dies, then my sister takes over because she's the only person who is competent enough to manage the properties and stuff that will be left behind. I myself will either hopefully fix myself before then, or go into some kind of institution, or be the guy you see in the gym and library all the time because he's homeless and who then ultimately just kills himself after drug induced psychosis.
>>518435398Reminder that in antic Rome, fathers had the ultimate power to decide wether to keep the newborn or throw it off a cliff or leave it to die from exposure in the street, if deemed to weak or not worth adding to the family tree.
>>518439264>Your response to me makes no sense.Confusion is common amongst the mentally handicapped.>>518439264>The heritability of traits is real and not all traits are equal. Eugenics is absolutely real.More midwit nonsense.
>>518438636>FOD stands for Foreign Object Damage or Foreign Object Debris, which refers to any debris or substance that can cause damage to an aircraft or its systems. This can include items like loose hardware, tools, or even wildlife that may interfere with the safe operation of an aircraft.Fod fantasy?
A friend of mine from grade school had a downie younger brother and I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemies.
>>518439335>they're just lying for sympathythe hospital admitted they got it wronghttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgljz4vve2o
>>518438743The whole concept of degeneracy is tied to the concept of eugenics. If degenerates exist, it means there's variation in the quality of people.
>>518439352>bright speck on the baby’s heart and they said it meant down syndromeRight. So that was just a scan. Had they done the NIPT they would have seen there was no chromosome issues. Scans can be wrongly interpreted, DNA can't.
>>518435858How can they appreciate something they are incapable of understanding?Does the blind man touching an elephants trunk and declaring "It's a snake!" appreciate the majesty of the elephant? No. He's just dangerously ignorant.The real issue here is that aborting tards should be mandated by the state. Since they are so massively dependant on other peoples money to surive (taxes). Simply should not be tolerated. It reminds me a lot of the old Ice Bucket Challenge thing from about a decade ago. Remember that? Pour ice down your back because thats what I feel every day of my life due to this disease I have! That thing?Turns out the disease is 100% inherited. The guys who started the Ice bucket challenge? All the kids in the family had that disease. The dad did. His siblings all did. One of his parents and all their siblings. Etc. Just stop fucking breeding you genetic rejects. Whatever god or gods you believe in have cursed your lineage and you are not to breed any more.We have enough retards and cripples as it is. We don't need more.
>>518439217>blind, deaf, paralysed, and retardedGrim. I’ve worked in disability for a year after my high school diploma and had a 45-year-old ultra retarded patient who did nothing all day except rocking back and forth in his chair and needed constant care form his mother who was already in her late 70s. By letting him live nobody gained anything except suffering
>>518435398We should be aborting more retards, I agree.
>>518439403More midwit shit.Shut up you clanker.
>>518435398>>518435546>trusting the scienceLMAOMAO
>>518438912Midwit? Fuck no. I participated in a group of 100 people who were sleep deprived for 120 hours and after all that sleep deprivation did an IQ test and came out with 126 IQ. My interests are philosophy, psychology, physics, programming, biology, etc. I read extensively and have a great deal of curiosity and imagination. I am a free speech absolutist too which is a position that highly correlates with top 1% of intelligence. Everything about my person suggests that I am in fact highly intelligent and people do see me to be so.Are you going to refute my argument instead of just resorting to questioning my intelligence?If there's an afterlife to go to, WHY be so afraid of death? What is the big deal in avoiding going to it?If you believe in a religion, you believe in some form of an afterlife, so why are you so scared of going to said afterlife? I've seen religious people perform mental gymnastics to at least justify their delaying going to said afterlife, can't you at least try that?
>>518439463>the hospital admitted they got it wrongThe hospital is retarded too. They didn't get it wrong. Everybody involved is abnormal. The best possible scenario is they all die childless.
>>518438555Source?
>>518438967Well you know what they got out of all this? A corpse, millions of dollars lost, a broken family, a huge amount of waste, but at the end of the day my boomer parents get to virtue signal about themselves so it's all good right? Fuck yourself.
>>518435398i hear that 'tards are resistant to cancer. all those extra chromosomes or something. we should keep some of them around in case israel decides to samson option the whole world and there's radiation everywhere. then civilization could start again with a lower IQ so we don't invent nukes again.
>>518439616ok then kys
>>518435611>>518438500a fetus in the 1st trimester is not conscious or sentient, and is not a person.
>>518439041Stfu you're making the tard lovers look good with your bullshit reasoning. A cell is life. An earth worm is life. A pig is life. Yet we trample the worm, care not about the life and death of a trillion cells in our body, and eat the pig. The only thing that makes a life valuable at all is self-awareness and most of us can all say that when our bodies were very young, even though we appeared conscious to others and were walking and talking and doing stuff, we didn't have a single moment in all that time of self-awareness / knowing we exist. It's not until about the age of 5, give or take a few years, that someone becomes self-aware. Some people also become self-aware really early only through a traumatic experience which is odd little fact. Anyways we have no problem to kill a pig, because a pig doesn't at any moment actually know it exists and will die, it doesn't have experiences. Just like a person who is sleep walking doesn't have any awareness of their surroundings.Infanticide should be legal up until the time at which a person can be said to actually know the following to be true "I exist and I will one day die". If they don't know that, they aren't self-aware, and killing them is no different than killing a random cell from your own body which also isn't aware that it exists and will die or a pig.
>>518439614>If you believe in a religion, you believe in some form of an afterlife, so why are you so scared of going to said afterlife? I've seen religious people perform mental gymnastics to at least justify their delaying going to said afterlife, can't you at least try that?"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".
>>518435611Murdering people is also murder and yet you people also keep coming everyday with why that particular death was justified or righteous. So shut up.
>>518439204I'm saying we don't trust the doctors and instead wait until the baby comes out then if we realize it's fucked up somehow (deformed, ugly, retarded, sick, whatever) we just mercy kill it.Pigs btw mercy kill their non-viable piglets. It happened at the St. Jacob's Farmers Market where I live by. They had potbelly pigs there. One of the piglets was not viable so the mother pig sat on it to snuff it out of its misery.In my opinion the American religious retard has less empathy and compassion than a pig. A pig is capable to show mercy to its piglet and end its suffering, an American religious person wants to use the retarded organism to virtue signal with, not caring at all that it's entire existence will be non-stop suffering.
>>518439885How should infanticide carried out? By the parents, state, or a third party institution?
>>518439660>Well you know what they got out of all this? A corpse, millions of dollars lost, a broken family, a huge amount of wasteWhat makes you any different?
>>518439157Obese people like my boomer parents should be rounded up into concentration camps and given only water and electrolytes to survive on and maybe sometimes vitamins. They will not be able to leave until they have become a normal weight due to the fast they will be forced to go through. Those that require medications to survive will just die in the concentration camps due to their diabetes or whatever.
>>518439885>A cell is life. An earth worm is life. A pig is life. Yet we trample the worm, care not about the life and death of a trillion cells in our body>Infanticide should be legal up until the time at which a person can be said to actually know the following to be true "I exist and I will one day die". If they don't know that, they aren't self-aware, and killing them is no different than killing a random cell from your own body which also isn't aware that it exists >126 IQ btw If you're not willfully being disingenuous and arguing in bad faith then you're definitely a midwit. t. over two standard deviations higher than you.
>>518435398I'm actually for abortion in certain circumstances, like this and a child being born as a vegatable. I consider it a mercy, send em to heaven so to speak.That, and rape, i consider to be valid grounds for abortion, problem is some women WILL damage themselfs to damage the fetus to damage the baby to get an abortion, some women WILL lie about rape to get an abortion.Tis a mess, maybe the only way is to outlaw it completely, in the UK they can abort right up until birth, fucking mental...
>>518439240I'm pro-MAID and seriously considering applying for it for quite awhile but they keep delaying it. I love that my country Canada has MAID. You clearly love retards more than me btw, can you explain to /pol/ the psychology behind your preference for retards over me? I'm disabled btw just not retarded. Luckily I have the capacity to end my life still unlike my brother. I've tried to kill myself a few times and was sure I'd succeed the last couple times but somehow survived all three attempts. One was with a knife, the next was with mixing bleach and other chemicals to produce a gas that burned me and caused foam to come out of my mouth, the next was hanging myself from a windowsill crank. I got a new plan to kill myself but I'm also trying at same time to pursue my options to try and get a life worth living where I'll overcome my issues. It's just if that stuff doesn't pan out, and I don't see any possibility of living a normal life anymore, I'm going to kill myself. People like you will then probably use my death to virtue signal more and gain pretend virtue points.
>>518436478Because fighting GENETIC ILLNESS is eugenics. Yes right please show us how retarded you are and dumb your opinions are.Filtering out height, eye colour, facial traits, stamina and strength by only breeding people in a scientific manner is eugenics.Asking parents if they want to abort a defective child which will be a burden on their life (because they are. Have you seen the eyes of tard parents? They just want to die or see their kid dead to start breathing again)Aborting genetic illness should be the norm. This way, retards like you wouldn't even be born
>>518440153>problem is some women WILL damage themselfs to damage the fetus to damage the baby to get an abortion, some women WILL lie about rape to get an abortion.
>>518439385Adolf Hitler praised Sparta. Anyone here who doesn't vibe with Sparta needs to fuck off of this board, we're National Socialists and Eugenicists and Biological Determinists and Evolutionists here. We believe niggers and retards aren't equal with normal white people.
>>518440011>I'm saying we don't trust the doctors and instead wait until the baby comes out then if we realize it's fucked up somehow (deformed, ugly, retarded, sick, whatever) we just mercy kill it.90% of the population is borderline retarded and you want them to be allowed to kill their children if they think they're too much of a burden?women already do that with abortion for perfectly healthy babies they don't want to care foralso postpartum depression is a thing
>>518439400You seriously don't believe traits can be inherited and passed down? Have you never bred any animals or plants? Fucking idiot there is nothing more to say to you, you're either trolling, or on a tier with flat Earthers denying the reality around you.
Why are eugenics programs suddenly acceptable?
>>518435398'Cause muriniggers are honorary muslims.
>>518439412As someone who went through this shit except it was my older brother, I also don't wish this shit on my worst enemies. Not even Mao or Stalin or some tranny freakazoid cucklord deserves it. Nobody deserves it.
>>518440314I too have tried to kill myself.Once with the knife and another by hanging. Failed both attempts. Now I just live to dunk on pseuds.
>>518440153Just cap it at around 15 weeks. That's the point where organized brain activity starts.
>>518439551You're a clanker aren't you? Would explain why all your posts make no sense and contradict each other.
>>518440482>You seriously don't believe traits can be inherited and passed down? Have you never bred any animals or plants?And yet somehow all the animals and plants got here without human intervention.What you want is the same thing that got man kicked out of the garden of eden in the first place.
>>518439493I do believe that state intevention is 100% justified. I don't even believe in the libertarian "you can keep it, if you'll pay for it all" stance as that just results in a few rich families burning all their money keeping a retard alive and it's still really not good for the country. The only counter-argument I consider valid is if they want a few disabled people around to experiment with gene therapies on to see if they can be genetically modified into not having their disease anymore. So maybe another stance we could take is "either let your child be experimented on to see if we can fix him, or kill it". I think it's cruel and insane that people like my parents can spend other people's money (taxpayer money) to keep a retard alive for virtue signal purposes even though it only suffered all its life and then died anyways.
>>518440580They have a heartbeat arms and legs at 6 weeks.It is murder the moment the female egg becomes fertilized with the male sperm. Before then, the female egg and the male sperm do not become a new person. That is when we must consider it murder. If we do not then we should be pushing for free murder for every single citizen as there is no significant difference between a 40 year old woman and a fetus.
>>518440586My grammer is too horrendous to be a clanker.
>>518440740>taxpayer moneyOnce you realize that money grows on trees and is pumped from the ground you stop caring. Still no rest for the wicked.
>>518439477I'm certain that there are accurate methods of discerning what you're describing, but you're missing the point. Doctors are human and some of them are evil (see: Coronahoax). They're what's untrustworthy, not necessarily the method.
>>518438497What's it like? When did you first realize you were retarded?
>>518440744>Before then, the female egg and the male sperm do not become a new person.Why stop at conception? Why not label cock blocking murder? Why not label lack of consent as murder?
>>518439529So you get it. My brother was a quadriplegic with a twisted spine who'd just spazz random movements, fingers/hands locking up in that weird way that ones hand locks up when paralyzed, eyes would randomly jitter around not able to focus on anything, and his spine was severely twisted so he was always lopsided and his internal organs were being crushed on the inside. He btw didn't have a genetic issue, he became the way he did because a doctor did something to my mother while she was pregnant, that caused her to give birth by accident prematurely and the resulting baby required a breathing machine to be kept alive in intensive care unit. The breathing machine and premature birth did so much damage the baby became completely retarded. I myself have mental issues from how disturbed I am from just all the shit that resulted from this. My parents always screamed at each other, often neglected me causing trauma for me (Aimie Pigian MD The Biology of Trauma is a godo book btw on how it fucks with you on a biological level), I was underfed and had a 5 cm growthspurt later in life when I ended up on the streets and found out soup kitchens are a thing, I attempted suicide three times, I have severe insomnia, and I got a diagnosis of alexithymia, insomnia, and dysthymia. Alexithymia is an inability to identify one's expressed emotions and is similar to anhedonia just apparently I express emotions even though I'm unaware of having emotional experiences because they don't register in my internal mind, insomnia is problems with sleep, dysthymia is persistent depressive disorder aka depression. At my brother's funeral I sat outside the church on a bench I couldn't bear to hear my parents speak and lie about the tard.
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>>518439675The downie variants are all infertile so your plan won't work.
eurofags are cringe
>>518440992They aren't murder, though.Ripping a fetus out of a womb is murder.Non consent is a crime, but it isn't murder. Your hyperbolic remarks aren't made in any sense of reality. Your illogical.
>>518440744>heartbeatSentimental nonsense. The heart is just a pump. The brain is what determines personhood.>arms and legsOkay...?>It is murder the moment the female egg becomes fertilized with the male spermNo it isn't. An embryo isn't a person. It isn't conscious. At that point it doesn't even have nerve cells.>there is no significant difference between a 40 year old woman and a fetusOnly if that 40 year old woman is braindead. In which case, I wouldn't consider her to be dead-dead, since everything that made her who she is is gone. A first trimester fetus has essentially the same capacity for consciousness as a braindead 40 year old.
>>518439886Bot.
>>518441033There's a big difference between having an extrachromosome and being a fat lazy fuck.
>>518435398We need to get it to Denmark levelsChristcucks want you to have tard babies
>>518441147>We need to get it to Denmark levelsIceland levels or bust.
>>518438497>incoherant wall of textAre you aware that you are retarded?
>>518435398> 87% of babies diagnosed as niggers are aborted. Amerimutts - we must stop this. They are missing out on the addition of amazing people in their lives.
>>518440026Same way butchering is carried out. By whoever is up to the task. Could be done by the parents, could be done by the state, could be done a by a third party institution. Whatever works best. I know that in ancient Egypt btw they allowed infanticide but had a rule the mother must carry the dead baby around with her constantly for a certain period of time thereafter, constantly reminded of what she did. They had this law to discourage people from frivolously killing their babies. I think we might need some kind of oversight about all this but maybe not, normally parents don't kill their children, and if they did kill their children for frivolous reasons there could be said to be something really wrong with them anyways. Perhaps all the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome stuff is just women behaving the same way as the potbelly pigs at the St. Jacob's Farmers Market and just acting on an instinct to put a baby out of its misery using a pillow or something to snuff it. I in general trust to the judgement of parents in discerning whether their kids should be mercy killed but also think that for some it would be hard to do it so they might want a professional to do it.
>>518441092You are falling under the fallacy of science. Your belief that science is fact makes you assume that a first trimester fetus has the same capacity for consciousness as a braindead 40 year old.You accept what we currently measure as 100% proof of fact. But, we do not know.
>>518440995Truth.That stuff builds character but is an unethical life to put a child through. Your parents just sound like typical boomer narcs. Like I said they had their fun playing god while they could.
>>518440079>What makes you any different?Clanker, your question makes no sense. I'm part of that broken family. You're asking me how I'm different from my self-description? Fucking retarded AI you need better programming.
>>518441114They have no right to complain about the lazy fat fuck if they burden society with their tardbaby, also maybe the lazy guy has mental defects that make him just as retarded simply in a different way.
>>518441330What makes you different from your brother?
>>518440148Whatever. Now present your counter-arguments. The only people disingenuous in this thread are the ones with no actual fucking experience. This issue has personally affected me. I actually had to live with a retarded older brother.
>>518440995Jesus Christ your life sounds like a shit show
>>518440512Eugenics is only controversial if it's tied to race. Christians view it all as bad though. They want to increase the number of disabled children and babies created by rape.
>>518435398>Icelanders apparently abort 99.9% of their retards>31% of Icelanders still believe in elvesClearly Icelanders are liars.
>>518440744Oh for fucks sake let me kill embryos then if you're that limp wristedSomeone always have to do tough man shit while princesses complain in their rainbow gay bubble
>>518441431>They want to increase the number of disabled children and babies created by rape.
>>518440153Just legalize infanticide. Do you really want to keep the lineages of people around who are able to look at their own baby, overcome instinct that normally tells them to not kill it, and they kill it? Why are you so determined to interfere with nature correcting itself? Why must you insist on stopping people killing their own children?
>>518440011risk of death during childbirth makes it not worth the cost of delivering full term.if they know it's a downy, might be better off purging it.
>>518441462Ok then I should be able to kill you with no fear of judgement from the police. If you are able to kill a defenseless child I should be able to kill you and judging by how poorly Russia is doing in the war. It looks like I soon will be able to kill you.
>>518435513My tax dollars end up funding all the disability shit until they turn 18 and go work at the tire factory. Then continues to fund them when they turn 60 and get more disability shit.
>>518440338>Because fighting GENETIC ILLNESS is eugenics.Correct.>Filtering out height, eye colour, facial traits, stamina and strength by only breeding people in a scientific manner is eugenics.This is also eugenics yes.
>>518440471>90% of the population is borderline retarded and you want them to be allowed to kill their children if they think they're too much of a burden?Yes.>women already do that with abortion for perfectly healthy babies they don't want to care forShould be discouraged but if they still want to do it then they shouldn't be stopped. Also if the father wants to keep their healthy child alive then the moment the mother says she wants her healthy baby dead the custody of the child should be given entirely to the father.>also postpartum depression is a thingYeah and there should be education/awareness about that.
>>518440512because the Fourth Reich is rising, deal with it. Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>518441545Totally the same according to you, an assblasted homo retard
>>518435398Democrats need those votes
>>518440574...and you do this by posting one-liners that don't make sense? ...or should I say you do this by writing scripts that post nonsense while your PC is running since it's becoming increasingly clear that all the posts from you IP are just scripted nonsense?
>>518441485Because fuck those people. I don't care if anybody is "a problem". I don't care if people are "dysgenic". Theres too many sociopaths and degenerates out there to care about whether or not some dude has a little alcohol in his blood substitute.If people want to justify everything else they do i don't see why some vegetable cant live and justify its existence simply by being alive. I don't care about the wants desires or prerogative of people that are "perfectly healthy". "Perfectly healthy" people are already useless they don't need to try and tell me that somebody else is more useless than them.
>>518440580>That's the point where organized brain activity starts.Pigs have organized brain activity yet we kill and eat them. Your argument is invalid or you're a PETA cultist vegan freak.I repeat, the only meaningful thing that sets apart a human from everything else on the planet, is the ability of (some) humans at a certain stage in their life to say "I exist, and I will one day die".We're the only species that knows it's alive and will one day die.
>>518435858Not having to think would make anyone happy.>>518440744oh but murder IS allowed, but only the state can do it, and if they allow abortion clinics then it's completely ok.
>>518441687Knowing what we know about women, that's just retarded. Your mom will just kill you when she gets mad.
Abort downies, abort dwarfism, abort blindness/deafness/mute, abort cerebral palsey, abort siamese twins.Abort niggers.
>>518440824I've seen clankers on 2b2t that produced grammatically incorrect responses by learning from the conversations on that server. Simulating bad grammar is seen in various chat models.
>>518441803At least i'm not a memeflaggot.
>>518440704>And yet somehow all the animals and plants got here without human intervention.Through natural selection and also all manner of animals on our planet do in fact practice culling of their own species and mate selection processes to find the most fitting mate. There are many eugenics behaviors exhibited in practically all species. Even the way men produce a ton of sperm and only one gets to win and impregnate the egg is a kind of fitness test.>What you want is the same thing that got man kicked out of the garden of eden in the first place.Oh dear, another religious cultist making reference to ancient semitic bullshit. The OT which contains that garden of eden story also contains stories about exposure (abandoning a child in a basket sent down a stream), children getting mauled by a bear for laughing at a bald man, chariots defeating Yahweh, and of course the worst evil of all circumcision (plus some crazy story about a schizophrenic father nearly killing his son on behalf of voices he heard).
>>518441905I have read your writing and have determined you to be a nigger. You will kindly face euthanasia for your niggotry.
>>518441456>t.70% functional illteracy rateStfu halfblood
>>518440744>They have a heartbeat arms and legs at 6 weeks.You know what else has a heartbeat, arms and legs, and yet Brazilians kill and eat them sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacaqueHow come it's okay for Brazilians to kill these creatures and eat them? Because sometimes their numbers are too numerous, it's not a conservation issue to kill a few of them, and they're not aware they are alive and will one day die.>as there is no significant difference between a 40 year old woman and a fetus.The difference is that the 40 year old woman, unless extremely she's some braindead vegetable, is aware that she exists and will one day die. The fetus on the other hand doesn't even know it exists and will one day die.
>>518442068>all manner of animals on our planet do in fact practice culling of their own species and mate selectionAnd yet they are all still dumb as rocks.>>518442068>The OT which contains that garden of eden story also contains stories about exposure (abandoning a child in a basket sent down a stream), children getting mauled by a bear for laughing at a bald man, chariots defeating Yahweh, and of course the worst evil of all circumcision (plus some crazy story about a schizophrenic father nearly killing his son on behalf of voices he heard).All of those things you mentioned were taken out of context you midwit.
>>518442068contrary to popular belief (and name), natural selection does NOT select for traits in species, it's merely what survives it's environment by a mix of luck and phenotypes. While male selection leads to "desirable" traits being enhanced, there is always the issue of such phenotypes being more for "aesthetics", not to mention how certain genotypes cause some awful genetic disorders.But yes, you are correct on the rest.
>>518442216>The difference is that the 40 year old woman, unless extremely she's some braindead vegetable, is aware that she exists and will one day die.Most of the "perfectly normal" women i have met believe they will live forever. Solipsism is a hell of a drug.
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>>518440911It's still limited resources and time all being wasted on keeping burdens alive in a state of suffering just for them to die anyways. Time and resources that could have been used on other more meaningful pursuits.
>>518440926I'm not retarded but I'm fucked up in other ways.I was at one point in my life retarded though due to starvation. It was constant brain fog, difficulty thinking, difficulty feeling, just confusion. You ever seen those Indians who walk in front of trains and don't comprehend a damn thing? It's like that. You can't really make sense of the world around you, your thoughts are slow and vague, and you just suffer but not even in a beautiful way. You suffer in a dull, malaise.
The concept of life itself is made up and only exists as a social convention. Objectively there is no difference if you kill a baby as soon as possible or later into pregnancy. It's objectively no less and no more human to do either. If you want to feel good about yourself you can go raise a retard that will keep spazzing out and draining everyone out until he dies in 30. If you truly care about quality of life, you kill the defective baby and, if your genetics are good - make another one - if it's not disordered you will give life to a normal human being who can have a shot at having a good life and contributing to society.
>>518441033Just reading this thread you'll see people in here telling me to kill myself because I'm not as retarded as my brother who couldn't do anything but drool. This whole thread is your comic playing out. They hate me because I can talk back but love my retarded brother because he couldn't.
>>518442550>Muh meaningful pursuits.You're a degenerate. Don't beat around the bush. You just want to sin for the sake of sinning. Call it what you will. It's still not anymore meaningful.
a downie is a gold mine for nursing, doctors, home health care, and welfare. downies are like the first population to get new psych meds. the jesus freaks love downies too becuase every life is sacred bullshit.
>>518441082Murder is just killing that isn't sanctioned by the state. All forms of killing that are sanctioned by the state such as that done by soldiers, that done by accident, etc. is not murder. If it was an accident it's called "involuntary manslaughter". If it was a soldier killing the enemies of the nation it's not called murder. Even going by your semitic bible bullshit the Israelites weren't charged with murder for killing their enemies. So it's clear even in the OT bullshit that murder is simply "non-state sanctioned killing".
If people genuinely believed that abortion is murder, wouldn't every abortion clinic be firebombed? How can you allow constant genocide? Or are you just larping?
>>518441181Yeah. The only valid counter-argument to all this for me is if they can be helped. The people that want to just parade around a retard though and say they're perfectly fine the way they are need to be stopped. Either help your child become normal and healthy by any means possible, or kill the child, but don't parade them around and use them for your narcissism.
>>518437663No one deserves to live you retard
>>518442994Two wrongs don't make a right.If I kill you for your beliefs it won't change anything.
>>518441238Ad hominem is all you people are capable of.
>>518441033Autismbux Neet guy is infinitely more valuable to society than the downy.
>>518441584Your tax dollars end up feeding murderous niggers, too, but what are you going to do about that?
>>518442644how would you know you're not retarded if you were though?
>>518439041You're just cells retard, at no point do you stop being cells unless you die. I would also abort my child if it had downs, I wouldn't wish them that kind of life.
>>518443100But one nurse working at an abortion clinic will abort thousands of fetuses. Wouldn't it be justified to kill a couple of nurses and doctors to save millions of fetuses?
>>518443108It's trudeau.
>>518441292Nobody reports having experiences of being aware of being in the womb. How old were you during your first memory?
>>518435611LIFE ITSELF IS MURDERMILLIONS OF CATTLE ARE TORTURED AND SLAUGHTERED IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN A SINGULAR RETARDEVERY HUMAN USES UP FINITE RESSOURCES AND TURNS PART OF THE EARTH IRREVERSIBLY TOXICSHIT SKINS AND RETARDS ARE UNWORTHY LIFENIGGERS LITERALLY GO AROUND AND KILL RANDOM PEOPLEBECAUSE REALLY THEY HATE THEIR OWN EXISTENCE SO MUCHPRESERVE EARTH AND SOCIETYSAY NO TO UNWORTHY LIFEFUCKING RETARD
>>518443204Thats not how ethics works.
>>518441364I can walk, talk, hear, see, speak, type, etc.My brother can't do any of those things. Never could at any point in his life.
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Is PmhWwJTj just multiple anons posting from the same IP or some kind of chat bot it's getting weird.
>>518441408It very much it is and the thought "I wish I never was born" occurs to me every day. Sometimes I go back to living with my parents because the street life is too fucking harsh with methheads assaulting me and robbing me and all that crap, sometimes I go back to the streets again because my parents drive me insane with their screaming, hoarding, and general insanity. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place I think is the saying or something like that. Nothing but struggle for me.
>>518441456What exactly is your issue with people believing in elves? Do you think it's an unfounded belief or what?
>>518443121I agree he makes funny posts on the internet and interesting rpg maker games
>>518441545Why are you okay with killing Russians but not okay with killing babies?
>>518443362>I can walk, talk, hear, see, speak, type, etc.Born to shit, forced to wipe.All of that is meaningless to me.
>>518441531Good point. Still need infanticide though for those cases that went undetected for whatever reason.
>>518443339Why not? Aren't you complicit by simply standing by and doing nothing?
>>518435398In iceland everyone has down syndrome
>>518441584> and go work at the tire factory. This doesn't happen though. Disabled retards never go to work. If they could do actual meaningful work without constant supervision then they might have an actual use.
I'll take 100 down syndrome kids over one autistic kid desu
>>518435398How did Bjork slip through the cracks?
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>>518441829Okay and you don't care that the competency crisis caused by dysgenics and government waste is going to result in droves of people including possibly yourself dying in various ways due to failing infrastructure, failing government, etc.? Don't care that people will die all over the place from drug overdoses, starvation, etc.? Because that's what happens when you keep breeding and keeping alive too many retards. I want a world personally where everyone that has any kind of defect doesn't reproduce. That means all non-whites should not reproduce, all ugly people should not reproduce, all obese people should not reproduce, all genetically diseased people should not reproduce. I want a world entirely populated by people with model-tier looks, enormous intelligence, and a high level of athleticism. I want the "we become Nordic aliens and travel the cosmos" timeline to happen not the "the whole world becomes Detroit" timeline.
>>518435398Down Syndrome retards should be terminated. It's simple. If you're against it then you should join a special program where each one of you receive one or two retards of this kind and have to take care of them - for life. Oh, and from your own funds - no government help. If you choose to keep and obvious retard who cannot ever improve, then you shouldn't receive any governmental help. Ask God instead, since you claim it's God's will. Good for you, then! Enjoy a lifetime of tardrage.
>>518442656>The concept of life itself is made up and only exists as a social conventionDumb ass pseudo-intellectual bullshit
>>518435398I’m against abortion with the exception of genetic disorders like this. If you choose to keep a Down syndrome baby, rather than abort and have another healthy child then you are depriving the healthy child of life. If you are aborting because party girl, then you’re a trash human.
>>518435398You know how in Tolkien orcs are created from twisting elves with all kinds of abuse. Well imagine Jews as morgoth and Americans are orcs. Over generations they made a new species that is obedient and retarded and ugly and addicted to jew shit etc.
>>518441881>Knowing what we know about women, that's just retarded. Your mom will just kill you when she gets mad.I honestly wish it happened. Would have spared me from ever having to become conscious and having to live this life. When I was 5 year old and I guess some months (it was either spring or summer, but my body was born in winter) I one day awoke in a bunk bed in my parents house. I was really short back then and everything looked so big to me. I walked out of my room out into the hallway. This was the first day of many days, the first day I was aware I existed. My way of relating to the world then was less jaded, less burdened, I didn't have the horrendous anxiety and other issues I have today. I had many experiences and dreamt of being a soldier and many other things. I grew up to become a really depressed teenager and have a lot of issues. Now I'm a 32 year old schizotypal mess posting on 4chan a 6:54 EST after another night of no sleep. I remember every single day of my life from the first day I became aware. I have the bushes and the trees that were once small become huge, and was once a nice lawn become nothing but woodchips over dirt since it's too shady. I've lived in the same house my whole life.Women should be allowed to kill their infants. The only thing that would convince me otherwise is if it became so common that it was resulting in a 100% deathrate and no chance of a new generation. Then we'd have to intervene to make sure at least a few babies didn't get killed so they could grow up to be adults and keep our species going.
>>518441905>abort siamese twins.Why?
>>518442284>And yet they are all still dumb as rocks....if they didn't practice their own form of eugenics they'd be even more retarded, sickly, and useless and their species would go extinct. All kinds of animals cull their weak so as to protect their species.>All of those things you mentioned were taken out of context you midwit.What's the context for the children getting mauled by a bear for laughing at an old man that makes it okay? Lets hear the "context" for it. Or the "context" for their obsession with removing foreskins of everyone.
>>518435398USA is where the kikes bring miscreants from all nations in order to mix them together into the ultimate golem.
>>518442405>natural selection does NOT select for traits in species, it's merely what survives it's environment by a mix of luck and phenotypes.First of all natural selection isn't everything me personally I'm a Neo-lamarckian eugenicist and second how does the second part of your sentence contradict the first? What is your understanding of the definition of "selection"?
>>518442522>Most of the "perfectly normal" women i have met believe they will live forever. Solipsism is a hell of a drug.Bullshit. I've never met anyone ever that believes that. Not even during my many stays in the psychiatric ward.
>>518438346Unironically this. If someone will never be able to eke out a living by themselves, then kill them.
>>518442851I want to live a normal healthy life and have a family of pure white nordic boys and girls who aren't retarded or just kill myself if I can't achieve the above. How is any of that "sin"?
>>518442994100% of these people are virtue signalers competing with others in their social circle to show how "virtuous" they are but at the same time don't actually care about ethics. They have no problem to do horrendous evil all the time just as long as they can go to their church and make up lies in front of the congregation about what saints they are raising their tard child. That's how my parents were anyways. They'd also do stuff like spend 6 hours non-stop trying to get a picture of the tard in whatever was the most flattering way they could in order to have something to present to the world to conform with their false narratives they want to construct and even after all that work they'd just go with a picture of him with his eyes closed since if they were open you'd see how one eye looks a different direction than the other. Shit like that. My parents only ever cared how they were seen by other normies and if they could get praise from their fellow anti-abortion freaks meanwhile me and my sister who were normal just suffered all the time and they didn't give a shit about either of us. They loved their retard cripple more than us and had to constantly spend all their time keeping it alive.
>>518438696>You already did that when you were born though.>t.downie, child of the jewish god
>>518439352Maybe true in the USA, but youre the only country sloppy with this among first world nations.
>>518444853>My parents only ever cared how they were seen by other normies and if they could get praise from their fellow anti-abortion freaksMany such cases. There's a strange neuroticism and self-aggrandizement with religious people that this board somehow ignores. I suppose they've never actually interacted with real christians or been to church. Just larpers.
>>518444495The real contradiction comes from the fact that nature itself is not selecting anything, if anything it prioritizes short-term solutions that are half-baked. I just believe the "natural selection" is a misnomer for such reasons, it's just a pettt pet peeve of mine.
>>518443170Through correlations and through ability to do certain tasks. Are you seriously going to tell me that someone whose only interests are basketball, taking pictures of themselves, drugs, rap, and similar interests is not low IQ while someone whose interests are philosophy, psychology, gardening, triathlons (an exclusively white thing btw aside from a few Asians), free speech, is low intelligence? That someone who can do some math and read and write is on the same level as someone who can't do any math, read, or write? There's ways to know if you or someone else is retarded. Even retards can often recognize they are retarded. The real challenge is for midwits to differentiate themselves from geniuses since midwits are overly confident in themselves, don't consider other narratives, don't doubt themselves, etc. and so easily think they are intelligent. Actually genuinely intelligent people practice Hegelian dialectic, recognize their cognitive biases, can identify logical fallacies, and can solve problems and do things with speed. I know when I've been in a temporary state of retardation my memory doesn't work well, I can't think fast, and I can't do things I otherwise could. Your general character, interests, and ability to do things is proof of your intelligence. An average intellect might be able to do all the same things also as a genius but it'll all take him way longer. I was tested at 10 years old as having "reading and comprehension university 5th year" level btw and I can't even remember at any point in my life not being able to read. I was reading encyclopedias at 5 years old and anything that I seem marketed at kids has always disturbed me and been beneath me. Like if you gave me some picture book thing or set me in front of a television with some stupid kids show on it I would have been disgusted and instead opened up a book like Jason and the Golden Fleece or some history encyclopedia or whatever and read that or gone outside.
>>518443339There's an ethics that works exactly like that. There are many different competing ethics but most people are just a collection of random passions don't adhere to any consistent ethical system. You either name the specific ethics you ascribe to or you're just one of those disordered people whose ethics amounts to nothing more than "whatever I want is right, whatever I dislike is wrong" instead of an actual rational thinker.Also you seem to have no problem with encouraging me to commit suicide and I am going to one day do it and succeed. As someone who has seen other anons kill themselves over the years I have some mental hangs ups about it all. Questions like "could I have prevented it, should I have spoken differently to them" etc. One day you're going to probably read about my suicide on here and maybe you'll be thinking too about our previous conversations? I know I feel weird about toaster steve, sadcrabs, and many other anons that I watched die. You might feel strange too. How many anons have you witnessed die so far?
>>518438061Wtf yes they do retard. They draw blood from the mother and the blood contains her DNA and the baby's. If there's an extra copy of whatever chromosome they know the baby has Downs. That's also how they tell if it's a boy or a girl depending on whether there's a Y chromosome.
>>5184433321488% agreed with this
>>518443585Oh so if I blind you it's no big deal than? You don't need your eyes. They're just meaningless. I can also paralyze you from the neck down. No need for your arms or legs. It's all meaningless, right?Idiot.
>>518435398Downies are the happiest people on the planet. Being retarded is a blessing in a retarded world.
>>518443972Would be poetic justice. Lets make them prove their ridiculous claims are true. Lets make them demonstrate real virtue instead of virtue signalling.
>>518443884This is getting dumb. Who determines who's ugly and who's not? Beauty standards change all the time. Most of other problems could also potentially be solved with genetic engineering so you'll have your perfectly healthy and beautiful white designer babies. I agree that the tards should be aborted whenever possible. If someone is disabled but not a tard, he may still be useful to society even if he requires more resources.
>>518435398The average American has about the same mental capacity as a downy.
>>518435398 Because the bible replaced common sense a long time ago and the most vocal tard-supporters are dims who are deeply insecure about how close they are to tardhood themselves.
>>518445047When I was reading Manly P. Hall books and studying all the religions I had such a positive view of all the religions. When I went to various churches and saw how people were I had a ton of new questions on "why the fuck are they like that". Actual exposure to religious people by getting to know them over time and seeing what decisions they make, seeing their hypocrisy, seeing the weird stuff that goes on with them instead of just reading theologians and lives of saints really you get exposed to a whole phenomena that just is very different from the idealized conception of the religious life. I now distinguish all the time between religion and mysticism because the people who practice actual mysticism, fast for 40 days and nights, pray non-performatively but seriously, learn to love hardship, practice asceticism, search after truth, etc. are an extremely different breed than the fat, lying, hypocritical, churchfreak boomers who use religion as a proxy for their weird republican/conservative bs.
>>518435398>>518435546>>518436250>>518436263>>518436383I have severe social anxiety, let me guess, I should have been aborted as well according to you for being a "burden", right? (I'm half-polish half-ukranian before you pull the race card)
>>518435398I had a downie student once. I was only with that fucker for an hour a week, and I dreaded every moment of it. I cant imagine living with that potato boy. I cant imagine how intolerable he'll be once he hits puberty and realizes he wants to fuck every day.
>>518446255>I'm half-polish half-ukranianranjeet plsat least try not to pick two of the biggest jokes among 'white' countries
>>518445058I don't believe this. Have you read Rudolf Steiner, William Walker Atkinson, and others who posit theories along the lines of evolution is primarily the product of subconscious desires biasing the probability of outcomes in a species? Lamarck suggested traits were acquired by some kind of acting out certain behaviours and then it resulted in the changes but for me and Steiner, Atkinson, etc. it's the result of the mental life of the organism and it occurs both in a negative and positive direction. Fears for example can become manifest in a lineage. Genetic diseases and curses are one and the same. I justify my beliefs on the ability of an organism to constantly repair its own dna and various evidences that the appearance of traits be they diseased, neutral, or helpful are biased in various ways aka likely to happen not just "random". I think that life is akin to a self-refining AI. It definitely takes in hostile programming sometimes but often refines itself for the better. I also believe that accounting for new desirable traits as just the result of damage by radiation is silly. There's too many ways to break an organism and genetic damage by radiation pretty much will always result in a problem, not something positive. Other processes, namely the subconscious mental life of an organism, I think restructure the DNA to create traits that are adaptive at a very high rate. The problem with classical Darwinism is it requires huge amount of time to happen but after every mass extinction there is rapid speciation and a refilling of ecological niches. Evolution happens at different rates for various organisms, some are fossil organisms like certain sharks, while some are changing absurdly fast.
>>518445710As the other anon already said, you'd be pretty happy too if you had you every need attended to, and were basically just paid to exist. It's far easier to make a normal child happy than a retarded one.
>>518435398There is a way to avoid having as many retarded children as possible by following few rules of selective breeding. Just do that and avoid abortion.
>>518446509>canadian calling someone a jeet
>>518446208 Churches are institutions and religious flocks are cultures. If the church hierarchy is corrupt, incompetent or otherwise inadequate then they do a poor job of shepherding the flock and the worst normie tendencies of the flock are exacerbated. No amount of theosperging over supposedly "perfect" dogma or feverishly jerking off the church father's screeds is going to fix the problem of incompetent clergy and degraded churches. Pastor Billybob Downie and Bishop Pablo Sanchez aren't going to lead the world into a shining new Christfag era.
>>518435398Anyone against eugenics is simultaneously the biggest advocator for why it is necessary.TOTAL GENE POOL HEALTH RESTORATION
>they don't DownmaxxBaers and egles
>>518435611It's eugenics, christcuck.But stories like these are your foot in the door to turn leftists into pro-lifers as well. One of the very, very, very few saving graces of leftists was their stance on abortion. Fuck you if you're about to PSYOP that out of them as well. Here in Sweden lots and I mean LOTS of us spergs are leftist. Like Greta you know. Because the 68ers who holds almost all institutional power here since well 1968 duh figured it's crucial to manipulate us over to their side. Now Autism is not a disorder as such. But they want to make us feel speshul and like we are part of the leftist victim hierarchy anyway because as I said they want as many of us as possible on their side. Because they know spergs are a vital threat to their bullshit if we are left alone. And so there are constant sob story PSYOPs in the media here to make the perceived plight of e.g. immigrants feel relatable to us spergs as well. I saw through this manipulation at an early age. And I have been relentlessly passive aggressively emotionally abused ever since in both subtle and not so subtle ways. Because I didn't buy in then my childhood trauma's and such suddenly didn't mean shit to them whereas before I turned against them I was a very speshul golden child snowflake to them. Not so much anymore. Now I'm practically Satan to them. They won't say it to my face or show it. But I can sense their disdain for me miles away.Sweden is reddit the country. It's that horriffic.
>>518446520>memeflag believes feels over reals
>>518445813Attractiveness is an objective thing that everyone subconsciously asses all the time. Right now outside of arranged marriage hindu style culture all the ugly people are being gatekept out of reproduction and that's a good thing. Beauty standards don't change, just stupid artificial retarded fads forced by people with the mindset of jews do. What is genuinely beautiful and attractive remains so forever, regardless of the perversions of weirdos that think binding women's feet is hot and other weird shit like that.>Most of other problems could also potentially be solved with genetic engineering so you'll have your perfectly healthy and beautiful white designer babies.Then lets do that.>If someone is disabled but not a tard, he may still be useful to society even if he requires more resources.So me. I'm disabled but not a tard and lives off of the gibes but I do a useful service to society by posting on 4chan since 2007 spreading redpills. I may be useful but I hate my life. I wish my life could have been prevented or that I could achieve a life worth living. I'm going to kill myself when I decide that I can no longer fix myself, right now I'm still trying to fix myself, been trying to fix myself for a long time... I also hope I don't have to hear some cliche diatribe about how I'm "perfect just the way I am" and need to stop trying to fix myself, chronic pain and poor eyesight and nausea and not sleeping fucking sucks to live with.
>>518435513You're a clump of cellsAbort yourself
>>518438365>we aborted>weOnly women can get pregnant.Only women can have abortions.
>>518435398NOOOOO, NOT THE DOWNERINOTHE MENTALLY IMPAIREDINONOT THE POOR LITTLE MONGOLINO
>>518446255If you have severe social anxiety then why are you posting the way you are doing like you want to live? Why are you not posting "I have severe social anxiety, I wish I was aborted". I have my own mental disabilities and I wish I wasn't born. Why do you seem offended by the idea that you should have been aborted? Is it narcissism? Why are you and me different in this respect?
>>518446663Religions have their births in miracleworking aka psychic phenomena and their death in empty forms hollowed of their original vitality and purpose. If we get a genuine saint who can levitate, bilocate, heal people, etc. and whose virtue is great you can be I'll be there following him and learning from him. I'm utterly disappointed though by the selection of freaks that wear religion today. They offer nothing to my soul or body or anything at all. Today a church can only feed addicts and disabled people and niggers and multiply these kinds of dregs. Meanwhile the Apostles would have been able to cure addictions, remove disabilities, and turn niggers into white people or banish them to Tartarus or something.
>>518446590What way is that
>>518445788Exactly. Have them take care of the retards they love so much. The reality is that they saw a single tard that can barely talk and they think these things are conscious like normal humans. Meanwhile, we had a program with such tards here as well and when they asked one of the guys what would he want the most "to be never born". When asked why he said "because I don't want to have Down's". Basically, you're a monster if you allow one to be born. Ask anyone, anywhere, would you like to be born with Down's Syndrome? Would you like your kids to be born with Down's? Every time, the answer is NO. Then how can you wish to force both families and the retards to suffer just because it makes you feel morally superior? Truly, Hell is not bad of a place enough for "people" like that.
>>518446255>Half-Polish, Half-Ukrainian >is in Brazil Thank God. You don't belong here and never will.
>>518446737No I believe in rationality, evidence, science, and empiricism. You just are stuck in old dogmas. Let me guess you're a materialist reductionist as well because you've never studied the latest findings in psychology, neuroscience, medical studies, physics, etc.? I bet you think particles are discreet entities and not fields. I bet you have no idea who Bernardo Kastrup or Essentia foundation is or what the Hard Problem of Consciousness is. After all, you're mad I just criticized Darwin, and clearly don't know about the many developments in evolutionary theory after him. As if the first guy to come up with a theory could not have been improved on at all. Note too that I don't reject evolution like the retards, I just reject the notion that it takes long periods of time and is the result of randomness, to me it's a quick process that is biased by the subconscious mentality of an organism. The subconscious of an organism is capable of repairing and shaping DNA. I bet you know nothing either about the relationship between the nervous system and the immune system and what the profundities of this relationship are. Hell, do you even know what polyvagal theory is? You don't know shit so you make an ignorant post like that claiming I believe in "feels over reals". You're like some retard stuck in classical Newtonian physics who never learned about relativism and later on quantum physics.
>>518436261Placental mosaicism is the presence of a chromosomal abnormality, such as a trisomy 21 (Down syndrome), in some cells of the placenta but not the fetus, a condition known as confined placental mosaicism (CPM). A diagnosis of CPM requires follow-up with amniocentesis to confirm whether the abnormality is also present in the fetus. CPM can increase the risk for adverse pregnancy outcomes like growth issues and preterm birth, and may lead to false-positive results on non-invasive prenatal testing (NIPT). What is placental mosaicism?Mosaicism occurs when an individual has two or more different genetic lines in their cells. In placental mosaicism, a chromosomal abnormality is confined to the placenta. How is it related to Down syndrome?If the mosaic abnormality involves an extra copy of chromosome 21, this could lead to mosaic Down syndrome in the fetus. However, CPM can also occur where the chromosomal abnormality is only in the placental cells and not in the fetus. Challenges and implications of CPM:False positives: A positive NIPT result might be a false positive due to CPM, as NIPT analyzes cell-free DNA from the placenta. Pregnancy risks: CPM is associated with an increased risk of complications such as small-for-gestational-age (SGA) infants and preterm birth. Diagnostic limitations: Determining if the abnormality is true fetal mosaicism or just confined to the placenta can be challenging with chorionic villus sampling (CVS). What is the follow-up? If CPM is suspected after a CVS or NIPT, amniocentesis is recommended to obtain fetal cells and perform a karyotype analysis.Ultrasound screening: is also important to monitor for fetal growth issues.A final karyotype result from amniocentesis is needed before making major medical decisions.Far from cut and dry.
>>518435398Mandatory abortion of retards means that 95% of niggers will be killed before birth.Now that's genuinely Progressive.
>>518447472We need to be sharing tard stories. Lots of anons have hilarious stories about tards doing absolutely insane things. Stuff like trying to rape a girl at school, throwing shit around, tradrage chimpout stuff, there's been some hilarious stories about the subhuman behaviour from retards.My brother couldn't talk but the retards that can talk do often express things like that. People also are always outraged when I express how much I hate my own life because of the disabilities I have and claim all the time I'm lying about my disabilities here on /pol/ because nobody who actually has schizophrenia could ever hate his life and wish it was prevented.Anons on here are often shocked that the most vocal proponents of eugenics are often those most personally affected by dysgenics either because someone in their family or they themselves are afflicted with a problem caused by dysgenics. They always want to imagine that all pro-eugenics posters are just some chad bigots. Then when they realize that someone on here is a nigger, disabled, or whatever they go on to dismiss their viewpoint like how many people dismiss Kanye West instead of taking him seriously. Suddenly when you're not on board with the mainstream lunacy you're no longer their special perfect potato, nigger, whatever but instead the devil.It's all so tiresome.
>>518447636What's up with the beef between Ukrainians and Polish btw? I know one Ukrainian that lives in Canada that hates Polish, and then my one other friend that is Polish hates Ukrainians. On youtube watchin politics from Poland, the country is extremely based, and also extremely pro-Ukraine. But on a personal level many Polish and Ukrainians seem to despise one another.
>>518441905Anyone who has ever posted on this website or reddit should have been aborted. There should be an automatic time machine that goes back in time and automatically aborts people the first time they submit a post.
>>518447864Correct. Amniocentesis will give you the correct result.
My anti abortion mind reels because it is killing children but then these retards do not have the quality of life I would expect as minimum for living so idk how 2 feel desu
In the media only the high functioning Downies are shown. In reality, a lot of them cant even talk, are severely mentally handicapped and spend their entire life in an institution until they die of the health complications that their syndrome comes with.
>>518435398>Why are americans like this?mutts love retards:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdEYoW6EzJ8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2TETZM0o8o
>>5184478675% of niggers not retarded? I think you're being very generous there. I think the culling would be much more severe than that. We should be looking at number of less than 1% surviving the great culling of the retarded.
>>518435398At some point human labor will be obsolete, and when this is the case, will it really matter how able a human is? I guess then it would make the most sense to avoid people with genes prone to depression and unhappiness to come into existence.
>>518448875There is enormous time put into making propaganda for the public, being ultra selective about what they show, and trying to showcase the best examples they can find, and hushing up on the reality of it all.
>>518449152Just ask yourself this simple question anon. Would you rather be born ugly or attractive? Would you rather be born smart or retarded? Would you rather be born able to walk or crippled?If you aren't able to answer all those questions very fast and easy, I guess you've never had experience with an injury or setback in life, so you can't relate at all to how horrible it is to have any disability.
>>518446520Lamarckism has already been proven false, what an organism does on life doesn't affect it's offspring, the mutations that happen during meiosis have more of an effect, and yes the more meiosis happens the greater the variations, that is why species with smaller lifespans have greater genetic diversity, and why extinction events (which reduce competition) allow for more niches.But no, radiation is not the only reason for "desirable traits", the mere division or crossing over is not perfect, there is a reason why livers don't regenerate the same.
>>518435398People want normal kids, nobody wants an amerigroid downy for a son
>>518435398would /pol/ a downie baby or a nigger baby if they had to chose ?
>mfw I need to cull 99% of humans before we leave earth because they are retards. Sad but necessary.
>>518449529>Lamarckism has already been proven falseHence I'm NeoLamarckian. I adhere to a similar but different theory.>that is why species with smaller lifespans have greater genetic diversity,Not that simple. Some species with small lifespans don't change much. Some with longer lifespans change a lot. The mutation rate varies with species and it's not about how many times the species reproduces. Most mutation also happens in non-encoding regions and organisms have the ability to actually move code into and out of the encoding regions of DNA. A lot of the non-encoding regions for example have viruses in them since an organism is capable of moving a virus into those sections to deactivate it. You have much to learn. A human has about 80 mutations on average that aren't the result of recombination of traits from the male and female, they're just new mutations, and like I said they usually are all in non-encoding regions. Some species have very low mutation rates. Doesn't matter how fast is their life cycle. I'm talking about average rate of mutation over a single generation. There are sharks that haven't really changed much in literally millions of years meanwhile there's some other organisms who reproduce at about the same frequency but have much higher mutation rates.> and why extinction events (which reduce competition) allow for more niches.Extinction events open up niches that were previously occupied not create more niches. More niches shown up in weird ecosystems like the rainforest that just keep getting more and more complex through some kind of feedback loop that allows it. The point of me bringing up extinction events is how rapid speciation is after such an event.Are you aware about the role of stress in the immune system, the nervous system, and mutation? Do you know about how stress drives mutation rates up? Once an organism is in equilibrium with its environment and not experiencing some kind of stressors it tends to slow down evolution.
>>518449529>what an organism does on life doesn't affect it's offspring,Oh btw I also take issue with this statement too. Epigenetics turns on or off the expression of genetic code and this IS effected by what an organism does.The way Lamarck explains evolution is wrong but the idea that an organism continues to change as it goes through life and is capable of designing its own offspring subconsciously is real. Our DNA doesn't remain the same over a single life even, one big reason being viruses are always changing us.
>>518448322Ur hecking valid Your opinion is correct, but i camt publicly agree with you>t. Pseudochad with two healthy kids who had to make the ubersad decision to abort an invalid son
>>518446509>at least try not to pick two of the biggest jokes among 'white' countriesPoland and Ukraine are still real countries compared to Canada. I would rather go live in a literal war zone than your jeeted abomination economic zone.
>>518435611I'm aware.Thank goodness, we live in the civilized world, where we get to choose to murder.It's honestly a retarded take that murder is inherently wrong.Happens in the animal kingdom all the time.Humans are animals.It's natural as fuck, brother.If God didn't want us to perform abortions, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be physically possible.Get off the high horse.
>>518449529Something else also for you to explore besides Rudolf Steiner and William Walker Atkinson you should seriously into the parapsychological literature surrounding Multiple Personality Disorder (or Disassociative Identity Disorder). There's weird stuff like tumors appearing and disappearing as personalities switch in and out. Then look into ancient Greek ideas about logos and nous or simply "the organizing principle in nature". Everything has a subconscious mentality, a soul, an organizing principle that shapes a body into what it is. Steiner takes this concept to multiple levels.This book in the Involution and Evolution chapter explains how I think evolution actually works: https://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1909arcaneformulas.pdf
>>518435858I'd also by all happy if I was a retard masturbating 24/7
>>518435717I believe it. I just had a dentist tell me I needed 6 teeth removed because two have cavities. He came on like a sleazy used car salesman
>>518450116Easy choice. The downie baby is infertile and will die soon without causing further trouble. The nigger on the other hand has a chance of spreading like a plague since it can reproduce. In either case though I'd abandon or kill the child. Any attempts to force me to take care of it would fail, I don't care if you attempt to torture me, throw me in prison, whatever; I'm not taking care of a nigger baby or a tard baby or even a baby that just isn't mine.
Religious people get upset when you abort downies cause they remind them of themselves.
>>518435635Well because it's murder, anon. Caring about people killing others is normal behavior.
>>518435717Yup, I've heard the same.
>>518438957>Umm... SOURCE‽ Mexico has redditors too, huh? Sucks.
>>518435398Downies are featured in nearly every euro movie nowadays...
>>518451170...but you don't care about Palestinians being bombed... or Israelis being bombed... your pick. Being indifferent to killing of out-groups you don't like is normal human behavior. You just have a weird psychology that makes you want to parade around a tard.
>>518451095>>518450813Thanks for your rhetorical online support of eugenics.Its the kind of thing where both opinions are easy to voice support fir, but when you personally gotta do the thing its a bitch no matter which route you chose.I believe it wouldve been selfish of us to have a baby that may have made it to his teenage years in agony before a pointless painful death. I still want another child, but 35 is probably too old now. Oh well, thanks for two God.
>>518435717Worth it. Having a retarded kid is a nightmare. Yeah you love them. But they are an absolute pain in the ass.
>>518450116
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>>518448412It's a long story. Basically, Ukrainians were murdering Poles the moment Russians told them it will lead to creation of independent Ukraine. They murdered kids and women, burning whole villages, killed mixed Polish-Ukrainian families as well. After most Poles who survived escaped West, the ruskies turned on the Ukrainians, crushing their independence movement. Today, murderers of our people are considered national heroes in Ukraine. And as always - when something bad happens in Ukraine, suddenly they all want to come here. I want all of them out and this WILL happen. It's like keeping dangerous animals in your house that can chimp out against you at any moment.
>>518451095even if it was yours and you somehow got a niggress or a down girl pregante ?
>>518438281>mercifully Fag
>>518451396>if you care about your own people killed why dont you also care about x shitskins being killed?!
>>518436331Not including yourself, naturally
>>518435398Next it'll be autistic children/male babies/white babies. Pretty soon only dark chocolate female babies will be allowed.
>>518440421Based memeflag. I 100% agree with everything you said.Don't kill yourself though.
