With increasing interest in our kinds of politics from the political left we should have a place to discuss the progressive economics of Fascism which guide the nation beyond obsolete capitalism.What you find is that is that a lot of what you already agree is on the agenda. Discussion is welcome including from Reactionaries trying to uphold the previous order, and from Communists who will screech about how it doesn't fit into their perfect vision of what theoretical socialism is supposed to be. Criticism is welcome as long as you are going to criticize what Fascist Economics actually are instead of creating an alternative version in your head to dismiss without discussion.For a primer just read the Fascist Manifesto to get an idea of what Fascists were trying to achieve, though Fascism was largely developed on the fly so it evolved further as time went on.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_ManifestoDiscussion on Falangist, Integralist, Social Credit, Huey Longism, and National Socialist economics is welcome too, and even the economics of Actually Existing Socialist states like China too given that since we are in good company we can drop the act and acknowledge that its just Fascism with better PR.Previous Thread>>518550709
>>518553120The Third Reich is the most interesting case oof fascist money. It was backed by German labour. If you managed to collect reichsmarks it would have value because you could use it to get a German to do a job for you. This is similar to fiat currency in that it is largely just based on the people believing it has value such that they will accept it to do a job, but where it differs is that the currency quite consciously doesn't claim the have any value outside of Germany. Nothing would stop two non-Germans from trading these notes like how people trade US dollars but this is limited by its value being tied to being redeemed for a number of hours of German work. Weimar inflation caused by foreign speculation would be impossible because the value of the currency relative to hours worked is no longer free floating.When the government creates more currency ist is thus based on the expectation that there would be more Germans available to do more work, so to grow the money supply one would in theory need to grow the population. It might not work that way in practice as the money supply might increase in size faster than the population, but in order for the notes to be redeemed you would need more Germans available for work so even the foreigners who accepted the currency would be incentivized in Germany's population growing so they could redeem their notes. You currency could go from 1 hour or work to 30 minutes in practice due to over printing, but on paper it would still be 1 hour of work even if people are giving up the currency at half price due to inflation. Someone who collected a lot of these notes because they want to redeem the full price would thus need to work entirely with the government who are still treating to notes as if they have their face value worth of being 1 hour of work. So basically having a lot of money saved ties you to the State in seeking to get it redeemed at full value.
Explain to me how centralized planning can ever be devoid of subversive influence? If you can not answer this, I will take it you are just a nufag LARPer.
How does this keep the brown people out and / or make them go away
>>518556858It doesn't.
>>518556583Death penalty, next question.
>>518557157You aren't OP, and still haven't received an answer to my first question. But as to your reactionary suggestion, why would you want the saturnian black robe 9 or some executive strongman to have any more power? Are you a submissive freak that gets off on giving up autonomy to a psuedo-father like the infantile faggot you are?
>>518556329As for taxes it is similar to the way things now with Modern Monetary Theory where the currency has value because the government requires you pay your taxes with it. Taxation is thus a counter-inflationary measure rather than the way the government actually pays for things. Governments just print all the money they need to fund themselves and collect taxes to keep inflation under control. Currency gets created where if the government needs 10,000 hours of labour to accomplish something they just create 10,000 hours of labour notes and give them out to people willing to work on the government project for the hours involved at a rate of 1 hour labour note per hour.If you recall that a pro-Natalist policy in the Third Reich each child reduced a tax burden by 25%, well these is because this increases the pool of German labour which provides the currency value. You don't need to tax people as much if they are providing anti-inflationary measures in other ways such as increasing the labour pool which would give the currency value.You might say "this sounds exactly like MMT (Modern Monetary Theory)" and that is because it basically is, the German Georg Friedrich Knapp was the one who created MMT in 1905 so the Nazis used it. Modern MMT just excludes the idea of the currency being explicitly tied to labour and instead ties it to nothing. Apparently it still works without being tied to labour but the Nazis didn't want a free floating currency and were influenced by socialist ideas such as labour notes being based on hours of work.
>>518557606All you are describing is the neofeudal plantation model...
>>518556583How can no planning be devoid of subversive influence?
>>518557966Answer my question first, and don't resort to binary polarities or extremes, and I will gladly answer yours...
>>518556858Well for one thing if currency is tied to one hour of German labour while someone can technically agree to work for and pay non-Germans with this currency, the currency is technically not redeemable for "brown" labour so any firm working closely with the State wouldn't be able to use that currency to hire non-Germans in an official capacity. Nothing stops two private individuals from using the currency how they please of course, but the State "officially" views the currency as only being tied to German labour, and thus non-Germans could only work for State-affiliated firms if they were being paid in foreign currency reserves. This forces these State firms to be selective in hiring foreigners and only doing it when it is absolutely necessary lest they drain their foreign currency reserves.
>>518557504Why are you a meek little faggot who wants to get ass fucked by technocrats and multinationals and if not by them by cartels and other low lives.
>>518558745How does a corporatocracy do anything but abet technocrats and multinationals and if not them, cartels and other low life parasites? You and OP are doing a sloppy job thus far.
>>518558490Let's say there are subversives on the planning committee and they plan subversively. They plan on building a new steel firm but due to subversion it actually makes pig iron. Well you actually know the exact people who were involved in this project and you can just question all of them to determine who is the subversive. If you have your name so throuroughly attached to projects you plan before it is accomplish if the plan is a failure then your reputation is ruined. Subversion is facilitated by people having no idea who it is who is actually doing things. If you just publish everything because you are proud of what you are doing and you want to document it then the opportunity to subvert goes down.Now I ask you, if you have zero planning and anyone can just do anything for any reason at all, how can you prevent subversives from just making their own plans in the free for all?
>>518559152Anon destroying it today
>>518559152They have to align to the ideology if not they get removed.
>>518559930So who is the moral judge, jury, and executioner in your all or nothing world of busy bees swarming the hive? It's pathetic how you can not see what you are espousing is no different than the masonic allegories used to spawn the French revolution and much of what inspired the fake and gay civil war that was all about hegemony of currency. You are just clearing the deck for Brave New World tier conditions. Read the book if you have not already.>>518559463>If you just publish everything because you are proud of what you are doing and you want to document it then the opportunity to subvert goes down.So why isn't the depopulation agenda over after something like the georgia guidestones was constructed? If all it takes is names or organizations to be out in the open for people to fight back against, why in our current paradigm is a Luigi not happening every other day? What you are describing is a reality of best wishes, not a reality of the nature of humans. 90% of people are beast of burden drones. The less intelligent people are behest to taking care of them, the more autonomous the lives of the few. As to you last sentence, the point I am trying to raise is you can't, but in a society where you are unconnected to your government/corporate bureaucracy, you have the ability to create your community, circle the wagons while not being expected to abet the creation of you own imprisonment for some pie in the sky virtue that will inevitably come crashing back down to the realities of human nature.
>>518556305Fascism is less retarded than soviet communism but still trash compared to liberal democracy under the United States.
>>518559627Appreciate the witness.
>>518560782>why in our current paradigm is a Luigi not happening every other dayThe US government doesn't centrally plan its healhcare system. What the US government does is mandate people purchase private insurance and then private health care insurance CEOs try to provide as little healthcare as possible from what people arw forced to purchase>in a society where you are unconnected to your government/corporate bureaucracy, you have the ability to create your community, circle the wagons while not being expected to abet the creation of you own imprisonment for some pie in the sky virtue that will inevitably come crashing back down to the realities of human nature.Who said you can't have a self-sufficient autonomous commune?
>>518561405>doesn't centrally planWow, you really believe my nation is a competition-incentivized, pull-up-those-bootstraps free market. I truly envy your ignorance. My nation is a corporatocracy in everything but name and has been since the New Deal. The companies and corporate holding are window dressing for the 90% I described before, anon.>Who said you can't have a self-sufficient autonomous commune?In any centrally planned state, they say so. Dissident get the rope, as >>518559930already stated... or maybe you to need to argue amongst yourselves for a bit to figure out your agreed upon position as the spokesmen for /FAG/.
>>518562049Yes, Obama planned for everyone to buy private health insurance and this empowered those providers to try to give away as little healthcare as possible because the private insurers work for their shareholders not for their clients
>>518562049>In any centrally planned state, they say so. Dissident get the ropeDissidents might get the rope, but it self-sufficient autonomous communes are part of the State Ideology then you aren't a dissident for forming one.It is only in America where they decided that self-sufficient autonomous communes like Return To The Land are violating the Fair Housing Act or some nonsense. In a regime which doesn't say its illegal they'd have no issue with it.
>>518562147GOVERN: to control MENT: root word connotative of mind, mental Why are you acting surprised? Yeah, that was the desired outcome. It's a private-public partnership, after all, hence corporatocracy.
>>518562463Corporatocracy differs from Corporatism in that Corporatocracy is what happens when corporations control the State whereas Corporatism is what happens when the State controls corporations.
>>518556305infographics>>518562237>>518562257>>518562289>>518562318
>>518562345>In a regime which doesn't say its illegal they'd have no issue with it.Well I just think you are being dishonest in stating the system you are espousing as one that would be satisfied will pullback from the joint vision, the mind control. This is an opinion based disagreement, so I can remain satisfied even if you are going to chose to remain in pie in the sky mode instead of realize the plain truth of how power works. Like I said, I envy your hopeful ignorance.
>>518562894It's all pageantry for the same consolidation of power, the same vision of social and political in lockstep. just different flavors to mitigate push-back from different populations and outward cultural postures/norms depending on where the consolidation is taking place. It's chicken or the egg, anon.
>>518556305>we should have a place to discuss the progressive economics of FascismNo more discussions ,we kill the opposition. Adolf Hitler was right.
>>518563786You do you mate, but my IRL activism is just pro-palestine stuff at this time.
>>518565816That's a glownigger.
>>518566021>Dont ever do somethingDoes zestiny give good head?
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>>518556305here I will just throw some problem at you...>https://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil394/The%20Question%20Concerning%20Technology.pdf
>>518556305>capitalismoil is not capital. capital is a store of value. when the oil is gone it has no value. The measurement of consumption is distinctly different economically prom productivity and the store of value. A free market will never invest in capital when it can consoom for free
