It's a bubble. When will it pop?
>It's a bubble. When will it pop?bubbles are relative
>>518665506The only way automation can turn a profit is if there’s massive layoffs
>>518665381It doesn't matter that it pops - you get the money while it's there. If anything the popping make it better, because you stay gliding over it all while the peons drown in the wake
>>518665506StfuThe fuck is AI selling so you compare it to Amazon?Who the fuck apart wallmart and shiet companies said Amazon was a bubble?If you want to compare AI to anything, dotcom or even more precise Enron
The issue is the genuine sectors of AI disruption are detached from the trending technologies. Image classification on factory floors, self driving cars, etc have nothing to do with recent stockprice pumps and eventually people will realise the inherent worthlessness of generative ai, summation, and chatbots Literally billions on the most irrelevant shit
>>518665926Nigger i own the house i live in mortgage cuck
>>518666058cope faggotprompt house ownership
>>518665506No they didn't lol they were selling things, objects.They didn't make money for a while but that was in the plan already as they needed to build.AI so far has produced nothing that has generated any amount of money for the companies that run the AI farms. They are pulling a stock scam.
>>518665861End goal is intelligent robots that can do anything a human can but with no will of their own. The first company to achieve that basically owns the global workforce. At that point money doesn't even matter anymore.
>>518665381It already is. They ran out of training data. Do you know how insane that is? They've used up LITERALLY ALL THE DATA HUMANITY HAS EVER CREATED UP TO YESTERDAY. Any new data that is created is sold to and consumed by AI companies.All these advancements and we still don't even have SELF DRIVING CARS. Not even at slow speeds. Not even on hyper-regulated freeway systems. Not even in cities.It was all hype. Hell, they still hire actual humans to do call center bullshit rather than having an AI handle it, and that's actually something an LLM can do.
>>518666377People are using the server for free right now to write worse and shittier emails.Please tell me what possible revenue they would ever have that would be higher than their costs. Name something.
>meanwhile, at Amazon
>>518665506>everyone said they were a bubble that would pop soon.No they didn't. A single company failing is not a bubble. Holy shit you brownoids really can't reply in anything but terrible whataboutisms
>>518665381AI trannies absolutely fuming and shitting their pants at the realization that generating hentai doesn't equate to a path to AGI.
>>518666276Why are you parroting Sam Altmans marketing pitchItaint happeningnot humanoid robotsnot AGInothingthey increased US power consumption 5% with datacenters to give you video presentations and chatbots that are forcefed with preexisting human made material to act as if we did some miracle.Its fucking Markov chains.Thats it.They didnt even implement a system to protect data sets from generated content.OpenAI could rebrand itself to Rugpull INC and you would still talk his talkpoints as if everything you see today is not just snakeoil presentation for future miracles they will give you.Wake up
>>518666733About Amazon? That is public info, they have books on it.For AI companies generating a profit, how could they? Name something that people are consuming right now and paying for that is adding up to more than their electric and Nvidia bills.
>>518666791They said Amazon would fail. Amazon failing is not a "bubble" you stupid brown 3rd worlder
>>518665381the same way the internet bubble poppednow look at the internet, its all dead and nobody uses it
>>518666701Waymo operates in SF, LA, Phoenix, Austin, and Atlanta. Not "dozens of cities."
>>518666701Thats not fucking AIits 100 year old fucking same programing codemonkeys do.You genuine think cars are driven by AI and not by set in stone hand written code?Holy fucking shit this board
>>518666799This anon is correct. Think about it>They didnt even implement a system to protect data sets from generated content.Just this alone. Really think about it.If the were going to do any of the things they claimed, they would have controlled for this, they did not. It's not real. It's some enron shit.
>>518666945I didn't realize this but apparently people pay monthly and annually for "AI" that is glorified google search and a chatbot. It really shocked me when I found out.
>>518667031>everyone said they were a bubble that would pop soonYes you did pajeet because all you can do is these garbage nonsense "whatabout saars!!!" replies. Kill yourself.
>>518666799>Its fucking Markov chains.Oh, you're just a drooling retard. Got it.
The only people who get fucked in bubbles are those who sell and those who play with options and leverageAny popped bubble in equities will recover in under three years tops
>>518667123They do pay for it, and it doesn't even come close to covering the costs. Not even fucking close.Imagine Netflix with 10000x (yes that much) the processing power requirements and a building full of Nvidia, all of it, a building made out of Nvidia.That is what is happening. Nvidia is the only one winning here lol
>>518667121I was technically, partially wrong.AI hype-tards promised full self driving for personal cars. Not specialized ride hailing in limited areas, sometimes with a technician in the driver seat.If it works, why hasn't it been licensed to other automakers and implemented nationwide?Because it's still not fully worked out, and due to how "AI" code is generated, it may not ever be fully worked out.
>>518665381That might be next year
Imagine you are lost on a deserted island. At first it has plenty of food, coconuts, animals fish etc but after a couple of years you farm all of that to extinction. All that is left on the island is your shit that you have been leaving around for 5 years. Now you have to go around eating your own shit which will cause your shit to become lower quality which eventually you have to eat till you die. This is the future of AI. It has a term. Data Contamination" Even AI will train off its own garbage data and it will get worse and worse till it dies
>>518667031>post it then?? There are dozens. Jeff Bezos has one if you want to read it. I'm sorry are you doubting for some reason that Amazon needed to spend more than they brought in for a while until they got going? That is normal for every real company. That's not a bubbleAll "AI" is a bubble.
>>518665381Soon. Its a resource drain, energy inefficient and unstable. The investors will start realizing and cut costs. Better use AI to invent better energy storage.
>>518665506Amazon is pretty much the only company in America that actually provides any useful services.
>>518667318Imagine being some boomer investor and putting money on Scam Altman instead of Nvidia
>>518666002Looking for poltard chud roomies?
>>518665381"when will it pop" no bezos you cant buy the dip btw we can remake amazon in a weekend....regulate it as a species before this reverse psych applies >ohh no its a bubble dont regulate it>5 years earlier we replace 700 people a day with AIstill do bezos.infact your so overleveraged if AI popped so would amazon.
>>518668985>so post it thenI'm not posting an entire book dumbass. Google (or ask chatgpt lolol) for Jeff Bezos book. How are you even arguing this is beyond me. That you think nothing was written about the rise of Amazon. You are a jeet or a tranny.
>>518665381We just need to let kikes print money and make sure they are doing it slowly. Don't be a panician.Nothing will happen till 2028.
>>518669674honestly the ((())) are wild but they are not at all bad normally infect they are some of the best of us
>>518665381There is no such thing as a "bubble," OP. All previous incidents identified as bubbles have not been bubbles. New economic sectors continue to dominate and displace their predecessors in a successive pattern that persists after their respective bubbles "pop." All that changes is that a few of the more successful firms in the new sector overcome and consolidate into themselves the lesser firms. But the new sector remains in a state of primacy, and those who were invested n the stronger firms that persist through this process continue to reap ever larger profits until the next technological leap occurs that sees a new sector arise to prominence.
>>518665381A lot of people heading AI are saying it's amazing and a bubble at the same time to try and hold off regulation as long as possible.At current rates, normies and anyone in the top 20% without the knowledge to apply their funds towards AI systems and small scale manufacturing and distribution are likely fucked.The current limiting factor is going to be power generation for the systems, which is why they're allowing a lot of these AI data centers to build or install their own small power plants.
Shiest bubz?
>>518667854Amazon has huge valuation but how much of that value did Bezos create? Not the post office, not the airplanes, not the internet, all he did was be a middle man.
>>518669941That's like asking an atheist what he doesn't believe in, anon. The concept of god exists even if god himself is absent.Just the same way, there is a concept of a "bubble" within the mainstream narrative of discussion around new industries that draw investor interest, but this concept does not conform to the reality of what actually happens within the business cycle of these industries.
>>518668985>No, I didn't and fuck me are you seething.I am not gay and will not fuck you faggot and yes you literally said>everyone said they were a bubble that would pop soonand you were wrong you brownoid retard
>>518665381Monday
>>518670451>all these people he is arguing with simultaneously because he got caught lyingare you alright dude? I think you are having a medical episode?
look at this whole thread of fuckin nigger retards...AI is revolutionizing the way biology and pharmacology is seen by scientists, in the next 5 years we will make more progress in these departments alone than in the last 200 years. We won't be peeking through the keyhole anymore with a little mirror from different angles trying to see a glimpse of how your sister is getting fucked in the ass by chad, we will hold the steadycam in 8k looking down her uterus. That's what AI will do in medicine. Eternal life will be solved by 2040, if not sooner for people like Kikerberg and Musk. 95% of people already don't understand what's happening in AI, till 2030 it will be 99.9%. You will have AI departments and minister in every government in the West, closely working with the IC and MIC.
>>518665381>elites telling you it's a bubbleHow very altruistic.
>>518665381Remember when your math teachers said "You won't have a calculator on you at all times?"This is that moment."It's a bubble" is no different to hear in a highly tech oriented and reliant age.
>>518665381>company that missed out on AI is saying AI is a bubble
>>518671400No you clearly are not with how personal you are taking this. I am concerned. Is your mom at home can she drive you to the hospital anon?
>>518671823>this seetheJesus Christ dude if you mom isn't home just call an ambulance yourself. You are not well
>>518665861>The fuck is AI selling so you compare it to Amazon?At the moment isn't virtually every business hiring consulting firms to implement AI to their structure, even if it's a business or industry where it's not currently applicable in any significant manner? I'm sure that scam can only run so long.
>>518665506No they did not bigger bubble is a srocks bubble wand market hubble based its the everything
>>518665581We are due for a correction back to 2019 levels, honestly.
>>518665381>It's a bubble. When will it pop?haha funny
>>518672195>My mom diedThat's pretty funny she died the moment she laid out a dude. I am glad she isn't alive to see how much of a failure you became but that's besides the point. You need to get to the hospital. Do you even have health insurance?
>>518673196Bro look at how many people you are fighting with just because they corrected you. This isn't normal at all. You need to check into a hospital. Do you have health insurance?
>>518665652You're failing to consider a massive increase in output increase the markets you can reach.
>>518672235The hardware store I work at a while ago introduced an llm. It is supposed to help answer questions but its been gimped to high hell and no one uses it or has even been told it existsjust one more bit of software that people ignore.the people who run our civilization are too stupid to live and yet it keeps marching on.
>>518673627Do you have health insurance? Yes or no?
>>518665906Not to mention they are trying to reach AGI so AI can actually start creating new information. That's what all this hail mary investment is about.AI is already beginning to cannibalize itself because it isn't generating new input.
>>518665506As god awful their conditions are, at least Amazon employs people and moves goods and services around so that's something. AI is supposed to take jobs away and produce slop that no one will buy. How can a model like that sustain itself? It should've just remained in the domain of medicine because at least it could sustain itself there.
>>518673825It's not a hard question. I assume you don't work but many states provide medicaid and other services. Do you have health insurance?
>>518673968>YesGood which brand?
fully automated drones aren't a bubble and they are going to force compliance over the entire world in a relatively short amount of time
>>518674082Ok great Blue Cross Blue Shield does actually cover ambulance rides so you don't get raped by ambulance fees. Call 911 and tell them you have a medical emergency and request an ambulance. Make sure to specifically say you are having "psychological" issues so they bring the correct doctor with them.
>>518665652>The only way automation can turn a profit is if there’s massive layoffsthe only automation coming out of AI is computer workthere are legions of offices where no one does anything but type and click buttons on a computerand they have the bulk of companies payrollboomers ceo's struggled to find the save button on microsoft word for 25 years and still act like cellphones and computers are some arcane technology that require college educated workers to input/outputeven if the majority of the companies (small companies under 100 employees) could afford to retool their entire operations to accomdate humanoid robots, the idea that handling and building the merchandise with this new tech is extremely risky and expensive, when you've already raped manual human labor of every penny for the past 40 yearsif they can free up the million dollar payroll out of the front office, that free's up capital to hire more humans to produce more merchandisea robotic apple picker is still extremely expensive, when you pedro will pick the apple for nothingthe cost of producing apples is not restricted because pedro is expensive, its because there is a marketing department of college educated people that boomer ceo's think they need to paypeople are always going to buy apples, regardless if cindy and karen are farting around the office arguing about color swatches for the next advertisement in print media which no one pays attention to anymore
>create chatbot that's really fucking good at acting like a human>charge companies X amount of money to use it, where X is less than the cost of paying a real person would be>company gives you money and you give them chatbotBoom, that's how all this AI shit will be profitable. Not exactly rocket science guys
>>518673556I feel like this is most business' experience. They pay for a consulting firm that tells them they'll revolutionise their business, they end up with an LLM that's barely Indian phone support tier implemented in their website or some other capacity and it immediately becomes ignored. I wonder how long businesses will agree to pay for maintenance on such useless shit because they feel they need to advertise that they're "AI powered"?
AI is fake and retardedgonna take decades before it can do anything besides be a glorified google search result (plagiarize jewikipedia)
>>518674295>charge companies X amount of money to use itThis is where your argument fails because if you buy say the highest tier of ChaptGPT it still doesn't cover your cost of using it based on power consumption and other needs>>518674349Did you call 911?
>>518665381...amazon itself is using ai in many obvious and not obvious ways one of the most obvious ways is making a summery of reviews of products and selling you on it.
>>518665381When they realize it's not going to cure cancer, invent a source of unlimited energy, or even create a film that anyone wants to watch.
>>518674431>Nook so grab you phone and call 911
>>518674898look I know you are one of these people who probably ignore their own health but I don't think this is what your dead mother would want
>>518675100It's not about me it's about you
>>518675208>he ran out of gas and gave upkek
>>518665381If (((everyone))) is saying that it's a bubble, then it's very likely that it isnt.
>>518675303and he's out of gas again
>>518675442and again
>>518675574>seething so hard he is mind broken and can only repeat himself
>>518666276>End goal is intelligent robots that can do anything a human can but with no will of their own. The first company to achieve that basically owns the global workforce. At that point money doesn't even matter anymore.As someone with a PhD in math, works in Bipedal Robots and AI, this is so far off it's not even funny. You need to solve lightweight high density energy storage. Not to mention all the problems with locomotion, balance, limb awareness and many many other things.
>>518670962“AI” is a slightly better search tool than Google. The internet was the big revolution, not “AI”.
>>518675732Humanoid robots struggle to lift heavy things. One would think they’d have super human strength, but they don’t. Never mind the craptastic range.
>>518675914>One would think they’d have super human strengthThey could if we solved the energy storage problem. The main limitation is power output to the motors, too much and it drains the stored energy fast, too little and it can't pick up anything.
>>518665381bubbles aren't allowed to pop anymore, they'll just get subsidies, bailouts and loans until either it works or america implodes
>>518665381AI bubble will only pop thousands of years in the future when a certain cataclysmic event occurs.
Amazon US, which is mainly a business facilitating the importation stuff from China, has a problem that AI cannot solve: the tariffs.
>>518675747too early to say, if musks new company is successful in making generative ai video games as they claim they already are (and will release the first in 2016) it would change the largest entertainment industry in the entire world (games are bigger than movies and music industry combined)
>>518665381he failed to enter the AI so he's hoping for a big crash. buy ai company or 2 then.
>>518665709>>518665926you're so retarded you have no idea what it means. it is fucking hilarious why massive layoffs and you going>b-b-b-but why would this matter???my god every right wing retard on pol is economically illiterate and brain dead
>>518665506But Jeff had a vision for what Amazon would become and knew it would eventually succeed. So did investors. AI is still looking for a reason to justify spending trillions on its existence.
>>518676194A lower bound on the energy needed to lift is the increase in potential energy mgh/2 where h is the increase in height. How does the actual energy a robot needs compare with that?
Cost cutting measures only make sense if your income is staying the same or growing. The more ai is implemented to cut costs, the more the economy shrinks, consumer demand shrinks and utilities costs go up. I play A-Train religiously and that's a return to title screen ending right there.
>>518676327Art is special because it represents an individual’s unique perspective. We get a chance to experience how they see the world. I feel like all AI art is the same perspective and it’s mostly slop. AI art is best when it’s absurd, like those videos about people cleaning whale barnacles.
>>518665381I don't know if AI is necessarily a bubble since we don't know its limits yet.Crypto though, i can't see how that isn't a bubble.
>>518676537and if you're lifting something off a shelf and lowering it down, can you get energy recovery the same way as "regenerative braking" works in EV's?
>>518673529pretty much thisimagine a yard stick representing all the currently known problems that the current application of Software/Automation can solve/improve efficiency- inches 1-3 are the highly valuable solved problems, that we keep re-solving due to their incredible value to re-solve.- inches 4-6 are highly valuable problems to solve but the cost to do so is is unfeasible- inches 7-9 are solvable problems but have no perceivable economic benefit to solve - inches 10-36 are known problems with no evaluation of feasibility to solveAI-assisted software development and modern automation is going to grow the ruler by freeing up resources and improving the economic feasibility of the later 4, while also adding massively to currently unknown solvable problems.
>>518676537it's mgh not mgh/2The actual energy a robot needs is significantly higher than this theoretical minimum. Most robotic systems operate at 10-40% efficiency for lifting tasks. So much losses in Heat losses. windings, friction in bearings, Gearboxes, belts, chains dissipate energy as heat, electronics, sensors, computation. energy to speed up the load (some is lost as heat during deceleration if not regenerated). Moving the robot's own mass (arms, links). Heat dissipation is a big problem.>>518676730still typically only recover 30-70% of that energy due to conversion losses.
>>518671187They didn't miss out on shit. Amazon likes to turn a profit, not just play pretend with stocks.
>>518676707ignoring the fact that art is pretension, you are not selling high art to some niche art critique hermit in the woods you are selling mainstream art to the masses in the industries of movies, music and games.
>>518665652AI != Automation>>518666276AI != RoboticsThe term AI is nebulous, yes. But it isn't either of these things.
>>518665506Amazon is already reeling. They only reason they keep chugging along is because they're one of the biggest proponents of mass immigration so jeets can man their factories and delivery vehicles for below minimum wage and will work 16 hours while pissing into troughs below the conveyor belts or piss bottles in the van. And even with these cost cutting measures, Amazon still is resorting more and more to cheap Chinese goods and knock off brands that with hyper inflated prices just to keep afloat. Exact same thing happened with Netflix: they had a weird early business model which exploded because they were the first one to adopt it, they peaked a few years in by being extremely convenient and reasonably priced, then they became hyper successful and immediately went off a cliff and most customers have abandoned it.AI is the same shit. It'll peak in a few years, the maximum use will get wrung out if it within 5-10 years, then it will collapse and zombify like all these modern companies and technologies do.
>>518665506Amazon wasn't worth a single billion back when they started in the 90s you retarded lying jew.
>>518670169>all he did was be a middle man.Not really, is the manager of a nuclear power plant a middle man? In a free market whoever makes the most money benefits, some people are good at finding new ways to make money using the skills of others who voluntarily work for them for a salary, goverment employees however receive your tax money wether they make any money or not, all government employees are middle men. The state is the ultimate middle man.
>>518665381he says its an industrial bubble, and that he thinks it's fundamentally different from a finance bubble. for whatever that is worth
>>518677618>still out of gas
>>518665506Amazon has clear uses. AI is nonsense for memes.
>>518677193even AI that "could" automate paper pushing desk jobs is still completely fucked for at least the next 10 years. B2B and G2B "automation" is still completely fucked because each instance is completely customized and requires constant updating. efforts for paperless have mostly failed, especially any effort involving government.
>>518677734I am trying to help my buddy get medical attention
>>518677756They can't even solve automated testing of websites / applications and people think they can and will automate things not in digital space.It's all fucked.
>>518665506This is not the same ... Amazon wasn't a bubble, it was a true value stock like chevron or Costco. The AI bubble is an entire market that people have bought into. When these rich fags start saying it's a bubble, you should probably listen, because they've already moved their investments into such a market into something safe and are now pumping people to now sell because they know it will pop soon. Rich people still have somewhat of a moral obligation, they just want to be "ahead of the curve" and feel like they're prophets. I made ridiculous returns off AI bullshit for the last two years, and when you look at the charts, it's in clear bubble territory.
>>518677849>bot broken again
>>518665506Amazon is one of the weakest big tech companies. they're peaking before the others. AWS is huge but they need more then that to compete
>>518677756>even AI that "could" automate paper pushing desk jobs is still completely fucked for at least the next 10 yearsmicrosoft has been screenshotting every computers input/outputs for the past 5 yearsthe solution to that problem is coming alot faster than you want to believe
>2010-2020>big data, data-driven, powered by data, telemetry data, GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN (((and store it on amazon/Microsoft servers!)))>every business collects all your data for a decade>mentions it in every financial analysis and shareholder meeting that big data will change the way business works>NOBODY profits from all the data they collect except the companies they pay to store all the data>the world is now infinite worse and only the top 1% benefit>present day>AI AI AI AI MACHINE LEARNING AI DRIVEN >every business needs to spend millions to integrate ai >nobody profits except the people selling aiIt is all a scam and they will get away with it
>>518678154microsoft, google, meta, ebay, walmart, etc
>>518678093data entry prediction is pants on head retarded.it's never going to get good enough to be useful. >inb4 but muh llm cope
>>518678154>still broken
>>518678123And look at it now... Nvidia will start to lose market cap once this ai bubble pops. Amazon grew within the dot com bubble, and survived, that's all, again, a true value stock. Will Nvidia be the next value stock within the ai bubble?
>>518678332>data entry prediction its literally watching what ever desk jockey is doingtailor made ai, trained by the workers themselves using microsofts own softwaredefine your job, the ai has watched you long enoughit can, will, and is replacing youhttps://www.trueup.io/layoffs
>>518678322>AWSamazon is more than a online retail store retard-kun. they're also sell ads and cloud services which microsoft, google and meta directly compete with
>>518665581people are identifying it as a bubble, it's popping now
>>518672235It's not revolutionary>Company buys proprietary AI for us to use on company computers>Only asked it a question to prove it's stupid and never used it again>Never heard anyone at work using itOnly things I use AI for is making porn.
>>518678494>I know that. But what consumer goods do microsoft, google, and meta sell?he's retarded. many such cases these days
>>518678421It can't replace me I have a PhD in math and literally build robots and develop AI systems for locomotion. The next word prediction paradigm lacks explicit reasoning modules, which isn't inherently suited to mathematical logic or anything requiring requiring strict rule following or calculation. If you don't understand why it will never work for desk jockey shit, you're falling for propaganda intended for investors.
>>518678494boop bop pajeet bot broken
>>518669856So the agriculture bubble popped circa 1900, now instead of farming men spend their time driving cars and manicuring plants instead.
>>518665381Hmm…Some companies involved in this ai race will pop. Will the overall bubble ever pop?! Clearly define what a bubble is in this context and then decide whether or not it applies to the current generative AI - AGI race.It will not pop because there isn’t a bubble.
>>518678685>If you don't understand why it will never work for desk jockey shit, you're falling for propaganda intended for investors.>phd in mathanything you do on a computer is just a random collection of inputs/outputs in pixel space, there is only so many combinations possible why pay karen 70k a year to have her meat computer spin up solutions to spreadsheet inputs/outputs between coffee and shit breaks when she's easily distracted by amazon>hurr durr i know more because my outputs are outside the digital spacefucking retard
The internet was a bubble, until it wasn't.That's the same thing we're seeing with AI. It's a bubble because it's so apparent that it's the inevitable future.I remember thinking how silly it sounded when Bill Gates said in like 1995, "Soon, if your business is not on the web, you'll have no business at all". Now 30 years later it seems so obvious that it's wild to think it was even controversial.And that was proven true in 10 years, effectively. I think AI will find its foothold as an indespensible technology even faster than smart phones. So let's say 4 to 5 years.
>>518678494>now you understand my pointI don't think you understand mine... dude sell your ai stocks or ai related funds, they're gonna get fucked soon. I'm not saying ai will die or become unprofitable, I'm saying there's a bubble, happening, work with it. Normies are maximizing ai to its fullest, they've pushed it to its limits, when that happens, it's like when a fashion brand has lost its lust, and the market drops. Basic mechanics of investing haven't changed.
>>518665581This is true. If ai ends up being a smaller bubble than the dollar itself the cost of stocks like Nvidia will non appear to crash when viewed in us dollars.
>>518678421the shit is never going to work as it currently exists or how AI enthusiats think it is going to work. Because people have been working on paperless for at least 30 fucking years, and other than very-very specific internal instances, no B2B or G2B instance has ever worked. The best we've gotten out of all this paperless shit is DocuSign.the only way you automate away all the bullshit paper-pushing jobs is by the FED calling a huge conference every year and forcing every industry to standardize information exchange and document layout. i.e. what XML was supposed to do.
>>518678951>another whataboutism retard>because the internet worked everything else works>nothing ever fails everything succeedsYou have the IQ of a child
>>518678832>Right now, it almost certainly can’t write the whole research paper (at least if you want it to be correct and good), but it can help you get unstuck if you otherwise know what you’re doing, which you might call a sweet spot.It also still required humans to verify the claim. Unless it's pumping out proofs in runnable Coq/Lean code, it still requires humans. And even if you let a bunch of AIs run rampant with such a system it still has no agency to know what to work on and you'll end up with a bunch of proofs for things that have no application. AI is a tool. Is the tool getting better? Yes. Is it going to magically gain agency? No. Mosts tasks require agency. Agency cannot be programmed.>>518678904Then why haven't they solved the testing of websites/applications automagically?Because it requires agency. You know nothing.
>>518679080Lmao, this. Working AI will also change warfare as we know it. No country is going forego investing in AI for defense purposes.
The actual bubble is the population
>>518679060>the shit is never going to work as it currently exists no shit retard>the lightbulb will never replace the candle>the horse will never replace the cari hope you feel fucking stupid
>>518674661They're not using an LLM chatbot to plan delivery routes
>>518679258>hur dur the machine which is supposed to replace humans still need humans to verifyWow big retard.
>>518679195>completely mindbroken
>>518679179>Then why haven't they solved the testing of websites/applications automagically?>Because it requires agency. You know nothing.how many people do you need to act agentic exactly?
>>518679195Crypto isn't the same as stocks... stocks don't suddenly operate like crypto. They've acted the same way since forever. Hold them if you want, but, like I said, you can work with them and sell ride out a storm and buy back. Good luck.
>>518665381Oh great.>Checks disclosures Uh. That's weird. He's not shorting it. So maybe he's not actually that confident about it?
>>518679426This is the worst pajeet programmed bot ever
>>518675732dont worry, colonizing mars is 30 years away tops, the media told me so
>>518679426>gets proven wrong>attacks the person not the argumentyou lost tranny.
>>518678832you can listen to people who are trying to convince you that AI is something that it's not. but machine learning isn't that hard to understand and program at an intuitive level. it has no ability to actually reason about mathematics. it has no understanding of the rules of mathematics or logic as humans do. at best you can drill into limited, explicit math problem solving. but it can't actually reason out math it's never been taught. and even then it's not particularly good at it
>>518679504>I NEED UNLIMITED SHITSKINS TO ENACT AGENCY TO TELL ME IF THE WEBSITE LOADS CORRECTLY
>>518665381With amounts of money they're investing - yeah probably.But it doesn't mean AI is going anywhere. It's an ultimate digital tool, that escalates digital production to new heights.AI bubble "popping" won't mean that you will be paid to draw one picture for a week again. Those daycare jobs are more or less history.What it does mean, is that companies like google, who spent 50 billion to present the world with a glorified search result summerizer, will lose a lot of value.
>>518679527did it again
>>518670169He has always been the guy running the company, I would argue Bezos is the most successful and powerful and intelligent "middle man" in human history. I challenge you to name a more successful one. Even Trump was born into money and groomed for his life from day 1. Bezos was an unwanted child, abandoned by his father, raised by a single mom, and clawed his way to power.
>>518679163VR failed. AR failed. They're interesting tech that just can't find a consumer base.I think wearables in general will fail. The Apple watch has a niche, but can't find general acceptance like smart phones.I think any 'walled garden' software ecosystem that isn't Apple is going to fail. So watch for Microsoft to start suffering badly soon.Touch-screen laptops and general purpose computing failed. So did touch-screen tables.Lots of seemingly novel or 'revolutionary' concepts fail.AI will not. It cannot. It literally cannot. We're past that question at this point.
>>518679774That wouldn't solve the problem, that actually does nothing. >memeflagmakes sense
>>518679620>it has no understanding of the rules of mathematicsyou are just rambling garbage that you think sounds smart but is actually just fancy rambling garbage
No AI will be used in many applications in the future unfortunately. Some of it is just retarded meme shit but it's going to put a lot of people out of work eventually.
>>5186797721908 the model t was released>the car will never replace the horse1930 60% of households had access to a car1970 90% of private citizens finally had their own private vehicle>ai will never replace me>technology that is still in development FAILEDkeep scrolling tiktok anon, it's obviously doing you alot of good
>>518679426The problem with shills like you is you worship "AI" which is nothing more than a vague marketing term used by a bunch of unrelated technologies
>>518679633I mean that is the argument, why pay anyone, shitskin or not, if a machine can do it for you.It can't. Also loading the site isn't even a problem you can check that automatically, proving your retarded. You can't even think of an example. An actual problem is clicking buttons, typing shit in, following a sequence of steps each of which has it's own rules and verifying the output is expecting and working.Agency cannot be programmed, if you're so smart go try and get back to me. >>518679866The other anon is right. No collection of weights knows anything about anything. It's purely pattern matching distillation. The question of whether that pattern matching constitutes "knowledge" is genuinely debatable, but that distinction is purely philosophical. The point is, the machine doesn't KNOW anything, just like a machine doesn't know anything about the program you write. it's literally the same thingThe difference between AI and a calculator running a program is one of degree, not kind. Both are just machines executing operations. Neither "knows" math; one does arithmetic, the other does pattern matching.
>>518665381>The american economy has become a series of speculation bubbles.The important question is who can we kill to fix this?
>>518665381Blud didn’t invest in AI, Alexa is dogshit
>>518680241>I mean that is the argument, why pay anyone, shitskin or not, if a machine can do it for you.>YOU DONT GET IT ANON, WE NEED UNLIMITED SHITSKINS IMPORTED NONSTOP FOREVER STOP NOTICINGactual retard
>>518680241>The other anon is right. No collection of weights knows anything about anything. It's purely pattern matching distillation.more rambling garbage, it "knows" exactly as much as you feed it.
>>518672235Why would you neeed a (((consulting firm))) to set up a chat-gpt reskin?
>>518666701>Why are you so ignorant? Waymo operates in over a dozen US cities now, completely driverless.Then why do they have 2500 employees for a fleet of 2000 cars?
>>518672457we're due for a correction to 1920 levels
>>518665381That means "buy". Think this scumbag would tell you the truth?
>>518672235What the fuck is AI going to do for most basic jobs?
>>518665506Amazon was losing billions not hundreds of billions.
>>518665381Unironically two weeks
>but you don’t produce anything“Listen we need funding like real estate and car”>but if you fail nothing will happen“You can’t live in a year old house or drive a year old car!! This is taxes or nigger civil war you chud!!”
>>518671187>company that missed out on AI is saying AI is a bubble>Amazon>Missing out.Lol, lmao even. You have no idea.
>>518680469you mean 2000 automated cars can provide a service comparable to importing unlimited non stop shitskin invasion to us soil to replace jobs that "muricans dont wanna do"?color me fucking shocked
>>5186801081965 Moore's law started2012 Moore's law endedsingularity in 2 more weeks
>>518671187Trumpniggers and weebniggers are just dumb as all fuck, man
>>5186808162012-1965=471970-1908=62let me guess, you're also a phd in math?
>>518680108LLMs are basically a finished technology and have been for a whilethey're not going to revolutionize anythingvery few people who had seen a model t in action believed that cars would never replace horsesmost people who have tried LLMs know that they won't replace human labor
>>518675732You dont need any of that. Use an indian as a chassis, strap on ai-powered reality-augmenting goggles feeding instructions to the lower-level motor functions via the brain and a shock collar. Now you got your basic wh40k servitor
>>518680814I bet you also believed that Amazon's grocery stores were fully automated. lol>>518680997The point is that exponential progress in semiconductors is over. That's why they need to spend hundreds of billions of dollars in datacenters.
>>518671187>amzn>missed out on ai
>>518680301That's not what I said. I'm asking why do they use shitskins instead of having AI solve the problem? >inb4 more strawman cope>>518680381It doesn't know anything it's a collection of floating point numbers and matrix operations. Please tell me how floating point matrix math knows anything.
>>518681086LLMs are great for replacing software interns and juniors. Instead of a meeting describing what i want the for loop to do, its now a 1 line command to an llm that spits out results instantly.The future is fucked though because juniors turn into seniors but only if they get jobs
>>518681321> knowsHow do you? Its pattern recognition all the way down
>>518676327as if gamers are going to play souless games lmaogames are bigger than music and movies combined because its a greater art form
>>518681439yea i was just fucking around with gemini today, it's definitely usefuli can't shake the feeling that i'm still just copying code from stackoverflow, though
>>518681623there's no video games better than the best music
>>518681623>>518681826gotta concur with the leaf herevideo games are pure dopamine, art is something different that you appreciate more consciously
>>518681543>Humans: Pattern matching (neural) + soul (agency, free will, consciousness) = actual knowledge>AI: Pattern matching (computational) - soul = just sophisticated mimicry>inb4 jewish garbage about no soul
>>518681936None of that has soul retard
>>518681936>soulsKek
>>518682068>>518682098>were all flesh automatons there is no soulThen kill yourself, since after all you have no soul right?
>>518670117nig?ger???
>>518682068>>518682098i know you atheists get triggered by the word "soul" but it's a convenient descriptor for the aspects of the human mind that aren't well-understood by science - agency, free will and cognitionanon even warned you that he understands your viewpoint and doesn't care that his choice of words triggers you>inb4 jewish garbage about no soul
>>518682395>muh god of the gaps
>>518682233If theres no difference why should i do it?
>>518681321>why do they use shitskins instead of having AI solve the problemyou cant even stick to one topic of argumentation>I NEED UNLIMITED SHITSKIN AGENTS TESTING OUTPUTS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN BECAUSE AI HAS NO AGENCY>HURR DURR WHY DO WE NEED SHITSKINS THENtheres no possible way to answer you because you're retarded and talking yourself in circlescomputer job havers are useless eaters
>>518682577>angry Indian bot is back
>>518682492you're definitely vaxxed
Past over-investment bubbles the things built were ultimately useful even if they weren't profitable for the investors. Railway lines that go unused for 5 or 20 years are still very useful (even just the right of way). Ditto houses (from housing bubble). Fiber from the internet boom. etc.THIS IS NOT LIKE THAT!!!!Something like half of the capital investment in AI has gone into chips. What's the worth of a 4 year old computer? Basically nothing. What's the worth of a 6 year old computer? Negative because it's ewaste. This is even worse than something like the tulip craze since it's actively diverted investment from useful stuff.We could have had all the benefits of AI without the existential danger and at a fraction the cost if the timeline was just drawn out a few years. Instead it's a mad rush both by analogy with the .com boom where getting there first was everything (with AI it won't matter at all in terms of mindshare or network effects it's already a commodity) or by analogy with the nuclear bomb which should scare the shit outta everyone were potentially handing world ending technology to narcissistic tech CEO's. In any case hold onto your butts if you're invested in the US stock market in particular. Trump will try to bail the tech companies out but this will be ugly politically.
>>518682703webm related is what AI development looks like
>>518682576The answer is AI isn't a panacea and doesn't solve the problem. You won't accept it because you're retarded. >>518682513>If theres no difference why should i do it?If there is a difference, why won't you do it?
>>518682577>the more money you lose the bettermeds
>>518682726>pajeet interacting with his own kindkek
>>518672235>At the moment isn't virtually every business hiring consulting firms to implement AI to their structureThey are. But they are only doing it because everyone else is doing it, and most of them just want shitty agents that can fetch them data from they databases or knowledge bases.
>>518682831GMS
>>518674295>Boom, that's how all this AI shit will be profitable. Not exactly rocket science guysYou are retarded, but the ignorant type of retarded. Current AI datacenters ideally require a dedicated nuclear power plant to operate. Current AI uses way more power than PoW crypto mining because it is an unoptimized messy slop.
>>518682726Good morning indeed. Beautiful weather beautiful beaches great food dirt cheap. All is very good.
>>518682831There's nothing bleeding edge about daisy chaining a bunch of GPUs together.There's nothing bleeding edge about reviving low precision ALUs from the fucking 70s.There's nothing bleeding edge about driving up the wattage/thermals to get a single digit improvement in compute.
>>518665381If rich elite are fudding than the bubble is just getting started.
>>518683190>this unhinged seethe
>>518666558>They've used up LITERALLY ALL THE DATA HUMANITY HAS EVER CREATED UP TO YESTERDAY.False.There's incalculable amounts of data that are not being captured currently.
>>518682703When do you expect the happening based paleskin Indian CHAD? Also do you do the needful in the street?
>>518683190>true. building the biggest super computers in history by orders of magnitude is easyIt's far easier than building a computer of similar performance that has 1/10th the size, cost and power consumption. >that's why you serve coffee to tourists instead of doing thatAt least I'm able to comprehend that replacing miniaturization with moar GPUs is a dead end.
>>518679221This. Who's gunna douse all those giant router fires and contain those small-scale nuclear reactor meltdowns? Who will consume and commerce?
>>518683506keep seething
>>518665506>it will either burst or notGreat contribution, anon.
>>518683506>nah, Moore's law does thatMoore's law died in 2012.
>>518683619again
>>518666276Multiple companies, including open source projects, will all accomplish this in relatively the same time frame. Meaning there will be a short spike in profits and then a massive loss as consumers cease to exist. The only option will be UBI, but as companies enter profitable sectors with their AI and robots (vastly lowering the cost barrier), profitability will be impossible. Soon the entire market will be more or less in perfect competition, at which time there will be no incentive to create new companies. States and non-profits will likely have to step in to create entities to produce products and services and innovate, powered entirely by ai and robots, possibly even directed at the highest levels by AIs too.Due to the advancements in AI intelligence, in less than 100 years we'll have AI trillions of times more intelligent than the most intelligent biological human that could ever theoretically exist. The only thing that will be able to understand an AI at a deep level will be another AI>>518666558As AI neural nets get larger, the more they tend to internalize inherent reasoning, and the less data they need. Also, many organizations are switching to synthetic data made by CGI software and by data generated by specialized AIs. Reinforcement training compute (by humans, other AIs, software training, etc.) will soon vastly eclipse pre-training (data) compute.There's also a large amount of scaffolding techniques that can be use to help AIs focus their attention and extend their IQs in particular areas that make them vastly more intelligent than their non-scaffolded base model. For example, Google Gemini was scaffolded to make AlphaZero, giving it the ability to solve math problems that alluded humans for over 50 years.
>>518683190I'm clearly not Indian you mong see white hand.Most of India is extremely grim. The whole Hindi belt is literally hell on earth I'd rather be born in the Congo. But there are nice parts of India.
>>518684115I have never made another anon this mad in my life holy shit
>>518665906this nigga gets itthe only thing GenAI will replace is worthless middle managers, it will automate their job by scheduling the workers.
>>518671187Bitch Amazon has had all kinds of AI in the AWS space for a long time. Good to bed boomer.
>>518665381He's mad His buddies made another group chat without him
>>518665906>>518684384I have no doubt a bubble of enthusiasm has formed but it did not form irrationally. It could very well be the case, however unlikely it may seem, that the practical applications of AI will come about just in time to meet the enthusiasm before the bubble bursts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5mYMavctM
>>518665506Amazon is no longer run by Bezos so who knows how that's going to turn out?>>518677351>They only reason they keep chugging along is because they're one of the biggest proponents of mass immigration so jeets can man their factories and delivery vehicles for below minimum wage and will work 16 hours while pissing into troughs below the conveyor belts or piss bottles in the van.That's not necessarily true. Amazon's most profitable arm is AWS and not its online retail operation. The issue is that Amazon is diversified into everything it can touch, so it is also exposed to a diversified array of risk.
>>518665381jeff bezos is a poser faggot that got lucky starting the simplest website in the year 1999. whats your contribution? doing the right thing at the right time?
>>518684719Bezos acquired the help of management advisors because Amazon was nearly bankrupt. Bezos largely gave management authority to professionals because he himself was not a good manager, he was mainly just a tech guy. The was a very smart move, he recognized his weakness and sought out help. Despite there being many Amazon style companies at the time, his advisors likely gave him the edge.And as far as diversification goes, unless a company is financially insecure or has poor management inefficiency, then diversification tends to help companies both by creating additional income streams and by creating synergies. However, doing so requires exceptional internal management talent. Big diversified companies like that tend to invent internal mechanisms to ensure they do not fall into the trap of the Fatal Conceit.
>>518665506I will laugh if Amazon shuts Twitch down just to save a few billion. Its never made ANY profit since 2014 lmao
>>518665581>it literally cannot go tits uptime is a flat circle
>>518671187>MAN WHO MISSED OUT ON BUYING TULIP BULBS SAYING TULIPS ARE A BUBBLE!!!What a stupid comment. I'm going to assume you're a bot because you're as dumb as one.
>>518679046i cant wait to get paid in Nvidollars instead of dollarydoos in 5 years
>>518684384>it will hallucinate the musings of a middle manager retard but for free(it actually costs billions to run per year and will only get more expensive)
>>518675624No you look like the seething retard. Sorry pal. He trolled the shit outta you and its clear he's laughing while you're malding to anyone who reads it. Lmao.
>>518686547>being this pathetic
