When did you realize that crypto is just a pretend stock market for retards which main purpose is to absorb inflationary excess USD from them and keep cash away from tangible goods?
>>518717463Faggots sound smart, crypto bulls make money. Suck my medium sized dick, Ivan.
>>518717463I sold my crypto when BTC went over $100,000 USD. If you didn't sell when it was around $120,000 I don't know what to tell you. Sell high buy low it's so easy with crypto.
>>518717836>>Make moneyInternet tokens aren't money
>>518717463Hm it was that during the COVID bull market, nowadays not many plebs are even in crypto. Mostly a game of scams between VC's and other professional firms and politicians.
>>518717463>oh no it's down 10%anyway
>>518719086you do realize that they adjust those graphs to actual btc price? The graphs don't predict anything
>>518719184That's my graph dumb fuck. That's MY tradingview.
>>51871746310% is a literal nothingburger for crypto
>>518717463Back when Max Keiser used to shill it on RT.
dont care. It made me rich
>>518719522Woah, hope that you weren't tricked into buying back then
>>518719939In what way
>>518719234no wonder you're a jeet still in poverty
I mean all these le ebin humblerbags on Xitter and other social media (including /pol/) are literally just false advertisements… There was never a “$9 million”, it was never real. There was a cache of digital tokens *allegedly* “valued” by speculators at $9 million. If a person in this situation would've needed to liquidate those tokens to turn them into actual $9 million, they wouldn't be able to do it
>>518720111the fuck you think? I invested early
>>518718408Imagine selling your bitcoin. LOL
>>518717463Around 2020
>>518720795Invested into what, if you don't mind me asking
>>518720929LINK, you should invest in it too
>>518718408People like you will kill yourself when your stupidity hits full display
>>518718490You're buying the dips ivan i know you are
>>518717463Bitcoin was supposed to be an alternative currency, meaning you could buy and sell items or services with it. Initially, that's what it was used for in black market circles. But eventually it found its use as a speculative instrument. It would make sense that the CIA created Bitcoin for these purposes and uses it however it wants to. Also, alt coins are used as a pedo mossad blackmail ring.
>>518717463yesterday. im ruined!
>>518721764I mean there's solid evidence out there that the technology itself was invented for a joint NSA/DARPA cryptography project to crack nuclear codes. But then some guy came up with the idea of using it as basis for “digital currency”, and that became the logical answer from the fractional reserve bankers to mitigate infinite fiat money creation in a world of finite limited resource. They created a world of infinite digital goods (shitcoins) to sponge all the trillions of printed fiat money.
>>518717463>>518718490>>518720111>>518720929>>518722259Oh look, the anti crypto retard learned some financial words, to bad he cannot understand it.
>>518717463And stablecoin takes it a step further.You will bail out the govt, schlup.
>>518723067It's all just a stepping stone to carbon credit implementation
>>518717463>pretend stock marketThey all are. Even the stock markets are, it's all rigged by the big players
>>518717463awhile ago. its the christianity of finance.we put all our debt in this one place. and kill it.
>>518717463>pump and dump coinsKek!
>>518717463>line should only go up or else it's a scamWhat kind of retard logic is this?
>>518724868>line should only go up or else it's a scamThat's not what I said thoughbeit
>>518725398It's what you're implying.
>>518726010No, and crypto is a scam regardless of the implication
>>518720814>>518721409>you'll get rich with bitcoin>NO, NOT LIKE THIS!!!>WHY ARE YOU SELLING THE TOP??? YOU SHOULD BE BUYING IT!!!
>>518717463Its for counterys that pretend like millie vanillie
>>518721409No he won't it's been a bullrun for 2 years at this point dude that's by far the longest this has gone on for even if it hasn't technically peaked yet it's only a matter of time before another large crash happens and he can buy in again when it's under 100k and make more next bullrun after that.You're either some zoomer that's new to this or you're one of very few old fag's who's been holding since forever (doubt)
>>518728635Well all crypto functions like a Ponzi scheme, so it's the interest of earlier participants to FOMO you into only buying in and never selling, which would diminish their position
>Crypto is worthless! It's just internet tokens!>But the price keeps rising, look! It's been the best performing asset for a while.>But it's about to fall! It's a ponzi scheme!>No it's not! It keeps rising! So many people are getting rich>etc etcThis "debate" is so fucking tiring. It's a false dichotomy that either crypto is a good idea to speculate on or completely worthless. The tulip speculative bubble was stupid, and tulips are still beautiful.Crypto has potential that I truly believe in, as a currency. To pay for goods and services and get paid in. None of the "to the moon" idiots care about that. None of the idiots who buy crypto ONLY in hopes to sell it to another idiot at a higher price care about it as a currency. By the way, most of those idiots are losing money, it's a mathematically provable fact.
>>518729333Crypto doesn't function like a ponzi scheme.If both you and I value crypto, and you give me food and I give you crypto in return, everyone is happy, what's the ponzi scheme in using it as intended?The only ponzi scheme is the "to the moon" retards that don't actually buy anything with it.
>>518729054Crypto is in a speculative bubble for the simple reason that many people are buying it to make a profit by selling it again later.It may go higher before the bubble is over, or go through many """crypto winters""" during it, but I highly doubt it will ever be sold at a higher price than during this bubble. It would have to be widely used as a currency and in a serious shortage.You probably have no idea what any of what I said means but still.
>>518717463China is not going to send rare earths to United States. That is like a really big fuck you. I dont know what angle you are shilling for.
Every single stock is speculative in the short run. If you do not know anybody in the inside, do not bother, unless you are into gambling. Anybody who made money on cyryto was gambling and got lucky. I also know people who made money in the late 90s on the dotcom bubble. If the winning gamblers during bubbles tell you to take part, its already over. Index funds and property investment are the only way. It's boring, but its the only thing for guaranteed growth in the long long, as in, it will be voiliatile (2008, and Covid-19 as examples), but overall in 10-20 years you will make a good profit as long as that country where the index is held does not collapse totally. >But muh every country in west will collapsePlease stay away from this cesspool of a website every few monthsOverall, not it will not. Maybe 100-150 years time, but there will be no happenings in our lifetime to cause a collapse greater than the Great Depression, which by they way, afterwards had some of the fastest economic growth in history. There is a difference between wanting a collapse (like the retarded anons on this board) vs actually happening. Crypto is a bubble. AI is a bubble. They will be amazing for a while, and then collapse when the markets see it is basically just like a social media trend for billionaires. Seen all this same speculative shit before. But history repeats itself. I will even go as much to say housing is in a bubble again, however, I will give it another 5 years to see. If first time buyer rates remain reatively low or stagnant, then it is another bubble.To be clear, I am not hating on any anon who made good money during the cyrypto craze, I am just asking you to think more wisely when investing. Everybody I know who invested into cryto done so in a spontanious manner.
>>518717463This is how crypto works>buy the dip>tell every fool you made a gagillion dollars off crypto so they buy too>price rises>keep getting more fools to buy>price rises>sell at the peak of the bubble>shit crashes hard>buy at the dip and tell fools you made a gagillion dollars
>>518730558High IQ but they won't understand this. They don't see the difference. They see that bitcoin is rising faster and don't understand why you would invest in stocks instead.
>>518730607I really don't get how retards lose money at this. Imagine entering a casino that tells you exactly how it's rigged and still fucking it up
>>518730299I hold a similar position, but the early Bitcoin movement was a child of the 2008-9 financial crisis. As such, it carried certain political implications (left libertarian you could say) and P2P payments outside of the state and banks were part of that. Modern "crypto" has been entirely co-opted by these same institutions. Part of the reason of this happening is that Bitcoin was tried and faile as a payment system due to high fees, low throughput, volatility. The technology keeps moving forward but so have banks and the state with digital wallets (and soon digital cash/CDBC's).The most interesting coin is ZCash for the obvious privacy features, as well as some of the people behind it, but then the government could label it illegal and stop you from buying anything or even force App Stores to remove their wallet.In the end it's all mental masturbation without a flesh-and-bones movement that would prevent the above from happening.
>>518730299>Crypto doesn't function like a ponzi schemeYes it is. It doesn't have all the original 1920 definition criteria, but it still functions like one, as conclusively proven by Stolfi in his paper >If both you and I value crypto, and you give me food and I give you crypto in returnThis is a made up fantasy scenario. It never happened. No one is using crypto as legal tender. Even in Salvador and CAR - the clown countries where it has been formally adopted - no one is actually using it because it's cumbersome and retarded. No one is using crypto to buy groceries, pay rent etc because its been 15 years since it appeared and everyone realized it's not real money it's tokens in internet scam casino
>>518730681Not stocks. ETFs maybe. You need something tied to a country or even better, a region. Any single company can get into shenanigans. Even google/alphabet. Imagine they get fined billions a few more times for abus de position dominante in Europe until they decide to split the company. It can always happen, then you're fucked.
>>518731008It's only cumbersome because people are not interested, so they're not developing easy ways to do it. It could be as simple as paying with a card.Some businesses accept crypto as payment, and they deliver when you pay. Where's the scam?
>>518720585KeK't
>>518731222Yes, it can function like money. But then again, everything can. We can use blue crayons as legal tender, and if everyone agrees to, it would work. The point is nobody uses bitcoin as legal tender so it's not legal tender.
>>518731000Unfortunately you're right, the government forcing people to not use it would be the main problem, and they probably would.However I have some hope that normies would still learn to download wallets from somewhere else and still use it.>>518731161High IQ
>>518731222>accept crypto as paymentWhich has to mostly be exchanged for fiat or the business risks being unable to function after weeks like this one. If you change the payment rails from USD on VISA to USDC on Solana, you haven't really done much other than perhaps make VISA investors poorer and Solana investors richer.
>>518731413yes but bitcoin is actually valuable, intended to be used as a currency, and has systems that make it usable worldwide for that purpose, normies just have to actually be interested, and then someone would make an easy to use app.
>>518717836Was that supposed to sound smart? I swear, every post I've ever seen from this flag is retarded. You retards should take the hint and fuck off.
>>518731457>If you change the payment rails from USD on VISA to USDC on Solana, you haven't really done much other than perhaps make VISA investors poorer and Solana investors richer.you've done a whole lot because that can help evade taxesand if it's that gold stablecoin, it's also immune to inflation
>>518717463When world economies colluded to continue to short GME in order to prevent their idiosyncratic risks from becoming a reality (but each day that passes is a day closer to it happening)>t. own 7k pure book drs gme
>>518731000>faile as a payment system due to high fees, low throughput, volatilityif only someone just made OG bitcoin with GB blocks so we could knowif only
>>518731525If you can't pay rent, buy gas and groceries with it, it's not money. Gold isn't money either. Because it can't be used like money except maybe in some arab or nigger shitholes.It's a store of value, and so is bitcoin.At best it's an easily tradeable store of value with some niche use cases. Like dodging taxes; art pieces also fill that function in rich some circles. Another one is buying digital stuff, or illegal stuff. Those were filled by other esoteric means like barter or whatever in the past. None of the niche use cases justify it's price. Only the fact its used as a speculative asset after the media kept broadcasting it does.Tl;dr = Until I can buy croissants and ice cream with it it's not real money.
>>518731652Even fiat could be made solid, if we subscribed to the k-percent rule by Milton Friedman. Tax evasion wouldn't be necessary if we could politically enforce lower taxes. Switzerland and the Swiss Franc is a decent framework for how to do things. We just need enough people to want and care enough about this, which isn't the case and obviously becomes less so as desperate immigrants come flooding in. They'll accept Digital ID, CBDC that expires next month, whatever to get out of Aghanistan and India. It's all a political problem of the elites disenfranchising people like you and me from reaching the financial (and mental) stability that would start to threaten them.
>>518731525>bitcoin is actually valuableNo it isn't. It has no intrinsic value.>intended to be used as a currencyIt has completely and utterly failed at being used in currency in 16 years if its existence and no one is using it as such.
>>518720585the trading brokers must have withdrawl limits?
>>518732563You haven't heard about new leverage limits?
>>518717463I love trading futures>all my longs are currently up over 100%
>>518717463Bitcoin seems to be the most stable currency, by orders of magnitude.
>>518717463It’s already back up to 115k btw. OP is a massive faggot as usual.
>>518727946How come you never made a thread about it being a scam when it was at all time highs? Only when it corrects (like everything does).
>>518731548This is a Romanian-Japanese fraternity board, faggot. You can fuck right off
>>518732330You can however walk down to a pawn shop or jeweller and sell gold on the spot for cash minus whatever jewish fee. Unless it's over $9k they won't even ask for ID and the process takes 5 minutes.Meanwhile with CosbyCoin you will be lucky if you can even get more than $1k in cash per withdrawal because so much volatility and regulations that turning Cosbys into cash is fraught with peril like the exchange 'being hacked' and admins running off with your Cosbys or seizing all your shit and holding them for 'verification'. Even worse instead of a single jewish fee there's like a dozen jewish fees as anytime a Cosby gets moved someone demands a payment and withdraws are are yet another fee.
>>518732938It isn't a currency. You're all fucking deluded wannabe Jews.
tools and shit nah nigga gambling tokens
>>518732330>Gold isn't money either. Because it can't be used like money except maybe in some arab or nigger shitholes.If you have gold in bars or coins you can walk into the nearest reputable bank in any 1st world country, any country really, and they will take it off your hands. Up to a certain total, they won't even ask for any paperwork for it. Yes, you will take a small hit because their walk-in rates will be *slightly* lower than the market, but it will a clean a legal deal on the spot. If you have jewelry, you can walk into a specialized shop or pawnbrokers. You will take a slighly bigger hit, but you will still get a receipt and an above-board deal in under 30 minutes.Now go ahead and try to liquidate any sizable amount of crypto in a single day without getting scammed or rolled, post the results…
imma be real, im brown. crypto is clearly for preying on the bambi Esque ideals whites have. theyre the main investors and everyone else, normal colored people, just wash money through it.
>>518717463>When did you realize that crypto is just a pretend stock marketI don’t realize stupid shit because I’m not an idiot like you.
>>518732330ok but it has the blockchain, wallets, most importantly cold wallets, etc, which make it a very good potential to be used as currency. and it is valuable, even if it's over a stupid bubble from idiots. maybe this could get it started, and if people start using it as currency, it could be valuable in the long term and be widely used money.>>51873253116 years is not even that much, we'll see. i know that i will do my best to get paid in crypto in my next job (remote software dev)
>>518733421>>518733612You can buy gold with crypto, silly willy.
>>518732938>>518733106>>518733021>Trump makes another market manipulating Truth Social post for his sons to collect on longs>BTC wobbles back to $115k, even though it tanked from $126 from a week ago and is still -8% >IT'S TOTALLY BACK YOU GUYS You're going to get raped so hard on the next Zognald Drumpf razzle-dazzle man
>>518734136Fuck that's made me horny
>>518731000If the government pays the people in cbdc's why wouldn't bitcoin still hold value? Is gold less valuable because people use dollars? People don't use gold as a main form of currency either yet it's value has almost doubled recently. Im not an advocate I just don't understand how everyone anti bitcoin is so positive of their position even more so then the pro bitcoiners
>>518734251I shorted it at 123k, I literally knew this was going to dump. It has been crabbing since July. I made money and will continue to make money as it keeps correcting while every retard from /biz/ longs forever because they think line only goes up.
>>518734136Hola amigo, can you please give me la salsa for de esta foto ( I have plans to goon my chorizo to it vigorously)
>>518730558The dollar is the real bubble and it’s popping as more foreign nations sell excess dollar reserves for gold. Holding dollars is gambling, if we agree that losing in the long run is a good definition for gambling. Your only choice is to invest.
>>518719086How many people from 2012 still hold, though? If you bought in 2024 and later, well, 10% drop suck for you. But yeah, before 2018? You don't have to care much.
>>518733362Exactly my point. Just because gold is easier to sell in jewcities full of pawn shops owned by jeet, armenian or other brownies doesn't make it real currency either. Gold is great to store value in times of uncertainty where inflation goes high, if you plan to bail out of the country or if you might get robbed by the state or go bankrupt. Bitcoin might also allow you to do that if you're rather good with electionic shit. That's about it. Gold is stabler and easier to cash out, so it's better. You could go hide in Mongolia and gold would be good there too. Bitcoin is only good for speculative purposes. Everything else is cope.
>>518734544Alice Delish in Tik tok
>>518717463when you bought in under 10k these little ups and downs are nothing. the real value is the equity. its not a stock market, not unless you play with trash coin speculation. its not as if there is massive selling, its more that demand is down.
>>518733612Because bitcoin and crypto are new things. Governments and banks know how to deal with gold they've been doing it for hundreds/thousands of years. We're on a new frontier dealing with new technology that they don't fully understand, they will put a million roadblocks up until they have it sorted then they will gladly except your bitcoin. Banks and government will not allow transactions to be made without getting their cut
>>518733612>If you have gold in bars or coins you can walk into the nearest reputable bank in any 1st world country, any country really, and they will take it off your hands.No you can't. Unless you know people at the bank but then you wouldn't even have to get gold, you would be a jew or inner circle shabbos who can conjure money out of thin air at will.>Up to a certain total, they won't even ask for any paperwork for it.That amount being somewhere below 1k eurobucks in most of the planet.
>>518717463i recently sold my 11.something ETH for £42,000. I bought them back in 2021 for £20,000. 100% profit in 4 years. nice
>>518717463it's worse than that. trump's using crypto as a grifting pump-and-dump operation that's ruining america's trade and strategic relations with india and china.
>>518735230Bleak
>>518735115Your clown makeup is almost finished
>>518717463Did you not short sell it 10 minutes before Trump's tweet like Trump and his inner circle did?
>>518734907The original Satoshi whoever that group/person was always said the max value of buttcoin would be $100k in order to handle global business volumes but absolutely noone uses it for business anymore just speculation because it's impossible to accept a coin as payment where the price can drop $50k in a single hour 24hrs a day.Btw we haven't even seen the prophesized super crash of BTC that's when someone starts moving around the original Satoshi coins. That means someone found a hack to sign xtn or Satoshi is about to cash out either way enormous crash will happen this was talked about on the buttcoin forums for like a decade after Satoshi claimed he deleted everything and quit to avoid arrest.That event we could call THE HOLOCOIN genocide of the speculation party
>>518735605You can't escape the modern world. It's all just fantasy. You have to work, pay taxes and follow the rules like everyone else. You embrace it or live your whole life being a delusional schizo.The only way out is in the far future, if even then and if it even happens, when deep space exploration and settlement become a thing. That or becoming some kind of criminal or some kind of poor gyppo, or both, like Cizia Zykë or a few others like him. But you wouldn't want that life. That life is only enjoyable if you started your childhood in a drug den or foster home or something so bleak every kind of life is an improvement, but a honest living is beyond your grasp.
>>518736278This is the part I don't get the most. Theoretically, there's a guy, group of guys, glowies or whatever sitting on something like half the total supply but everyone trusts nothing will come out of it because that unknown entity is like lolbertarian mother Theresa or something and would never do something THAT evil, whomever that entity might be.That's christcuck levels of retarded. What I don't get even more is how big players like Goldman Sachs etc account for that big fat huge uncertainty bordering on uncapped liability when they approve get their investment committee approvals.Two options: Schizo elder cabal believer option: they know who/what Satoshi is and it's all part of the plan. Cynical post modern option: everyone is just that fucking retarded. So much so no conspiracy theory ever existed or could have existed at scale because everyone is retarded and nobody has any idea about what they're doing.
buy the dip
>>518717463You can spend crypto. No one is stopping you
OP is right, crypto is a scam, just with a long horizon. People will make money on it, but it's ultimately flawed and once mining becomes unprofitable you'll either see it collapse or turned centralized. it is designed to fail.
ITT: /r/Buttcoin
>>518737394Thats the only reason it will go back up, people hope, because its not based on anything else is it?
>>518721273lol you're making finland look bad
>thinks that he has an impact on the market>gets rekt by big investors>chimps outdo libtards really?
>>518736877Well at the time Satoshi quit his/their 1.1 million coins were worth about $2 to $4 each. He handed over the git keys and said he was moving on to something else as now that the CIA was involved (Gavin an early dev went to the cia for a presentation on bitcoin) he wanted nothing to do with buttcoin as back then they were handing out lengthy fed prison sentences for digital currency creators like Cgold, Egold, Liberty Reserve etc.They have not moved since 2010 and if they ever do shit will implode and it's over
