Sup /pol/, I'm formerly alt-right/incel/etc. and I'm also a researcher. I want to hear your thoughts on therapy and what would make it better. You can do that in my survey:https://tarleton.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0dixWdcJPSTKGuaAs for this thread: Have you been in therapy? What was it like? I have some great memories with 4chan and I hope you're making some good memories here too.
Is this that one British fag group screaming about muh incel menance meanwhile Muslims are blowing up buildings and raping children left and right
>>518725736I think we should use this thread to investigate the OP and discover what his ulterior motives are.
>>518725644>I'm formerly alt-right/incel/etcNobody who is "alt-right/incel/etc" says shit like this, because you don't "go back" from learning the truth.
>>518725736No. I want to make things better for incels because it's clear that some therapists think it's >muh incel menace and don't bother to actually help
>>518725854I'm still red-pilled ;) just approaching things differently
>>518726073No, you're some disingenuous antifa/shitskin and a liar who thinks he's smarter than he actually is.>>518725983That's what Hitler did.>We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'German people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman.And then they had the most prosperous nation in Europe amidst the great jewish depression.
>>518725792I don't have ulterior motives to what I'm saying, but you're welcome to.>>518725854Also I don't know how else to put it without sounding like "how do you fellow kids", it's just how I talk. Is there something else I can do to prove it? I could show you my faded Murdoch Murdoch shirt
>>518725644I might take therapy if it is a cuddling sessions with a cute little girl, or if the therapist is a high quality young prozzie
>>518726540> Is there something else I can do to prove it?You're like a slut asking how she can grow her hymen back.No, retard. There is nothing you can do to "prove it". You already fucked up.
>>518725736you mean the swanse fags
>>518725644I went to a therapist once. She was not very helpfully I think it just depends on who your therapist is. If you’re willing to give it a shot, be aware that some of them will actively try to make you hate yourself more due to culture and other bullshit
>>518726701Yeah, that's what I went through with my first therapist. She thought of my beliefs as a problem and wasn't concerned with why I was angry in the first place. Pushing her own values on me
>>518725644>Sup /pol/, I'm formerly alt-right/incelWell, you're still an incel.
>>518726983Basically, yeahTherapy wasn’t for me. I kind of pushed through it myself, with the help of family too
I filled in your stupid survey anon. Never went to therapy, but did relationship counseling for a while. Didn't work out in the end, though I think it was quite insightful
The rapist
>>518725644Yeah, they gave me zoloft and xanax. I took it for 2 years. It cured me.Just kidding. I don't want to get mk ultra'd by freudianism and pharmaslop.
>>518725644That's nothing but a racket for the Jews.
>>518727148Of the mindQuite literally>here's why you feeling bad because of rapid technological and societal change is actually mental illness and you should take these drugs
>>518725644Therapy is for whites
>>518725644>m formerly alt-right/incel/etcWhy formerly? What changed? I'm still all those things.>. I want to hear your thoughts on therapy and what would make it betterThe obvious problem is that therapy, just like most of humanities, is extremely leftist and antiwhite, and basically they all subscribe to the "punch nazis, and everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" ideology.That means anyone who is radicalized like me or anyone else on /pol/ is a target to them, therapists and other counselors view us as ontologically evil if they know what we believe in, and that gives them license in their mind to hurt and abuse us in any way they see fit. This is a direct inference from how these topics are discussed in the culture of people who do and perform therapy.
>>518727097>Well, you're still an incel.Low blow there, commieanon...>>518727110>Therapy wasn’t for me. I kind of pushed through it myself, with the help of family tooFamily is important. Kind of a family here on this board, too. At least that's how I thought of it>>518727111>I filled in your stupid survey anon. Never went to therapy, but did relationship counseling for a while. Didn't work out in the end, though I think it was quite insightfulThank you, seriously. I'm glad you got some insights, even with that result
>>518727148The rapist finder.>>518727356>Of the mind>Quite literally>here's why you feeling bad because of rapid technological and societal change is actually mental illness and you should take these drugsWho? Ted? It's all in your head...
The therapists come from the same exact culture that uploaded tiktoks dancing and celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk for being mildly right wing.Everyone on here understands this. If you go to therapy, chances are the therapist will want you dead if they knew what you believed.That's why nobody here is honest about what they believe if they do go to therapy, and also why most don't. Why would you be vulnerable to someone who hates you and wants you dead?
>>518727410>Therapy is for whitesSo... is that good or bad? If it's only for whites, we've got some serious work to do.>>518727492>Why formerly? What changed? I'm still all those things.I got sick of feeling so angry all the time. I was miserable, and still am to an extent, but better. That's what it boiled down to for me, anyway.>The obvious problem is that therapy, just like most of humanities, is extremely leftist and antiwhite, and basically they all subscribe to the "punch nazis, and everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" ideology.That's what I want to change. If it's anti-you, then that's like saying you don't deserve to be heard and work on whatever you want to work on. Which you do.>That means anyone who is radicalized like me or anyone else on /pol/ is a target to them, therapists and other counselors view us as ontologically evil if they know what we believe in, and that gives them license in their mind to hurt and abuse us in any way they see fit. This is a direct inference from how these topics are discussed in the culture of people who do and perform therapy.It is, and I'm in it. The ethics code says to not force our own values on clients, but some therapists exclude people with red-pilled values from that.
>>518727778>Everyone on here understands this. If you go to therapy, chances are the therapist will want you dead if they knew what you believed.>That's why nobody here is honest about what they believe if they do go to therapy, and also why most don't. Why would you be vulnerable to someone who hates you and wants you dead?Yeah. How can you trust a therapist not to think of you that way, privately? The canadian guy from earlier in this thread is suspicious of me, and he's right to be.
>>518725644Faggot day was yesterday
>>518727664Why is easy to get zoloft and xanax (horrible side effects, no evidence that they treat anything) and hard to get adderall and ritalin (minimal side effects, work pretty well)? Coincidence?
>>518725644Ah yes, pseudoscience based on gaslighting child abuse victims by a pedophile mason obsessed with incest. Sorry you’re gay.
>>518729676>Why is easy to get zoloft and xanax (horrible side effects, no evidence that they treat anything) and hard to get adderall and ritalin (minimal side effects, work pretty well)? Coincidence?Probably not, follow the money. Adderall and ritalin are abused just as much as xanax, though. One could also say this is the sedation of the populace.
>>518725644Therapy is coolJust to talk to someone You will feel better about thingsTell them you dont give a fuck about improvement or diagnoses.Therapy doesn't mean giving up control
>>518725644No and therapy is fucking gay. Fuck you
As an anon who goes to a therapist, I think it is important to know the school to which the therapist adscribes. My therapist has never even mentioned the name of any mental illness, and God knows she could have. Of course, meds are out of the question. Yet, it is one of the most positive experiences I've had. I looked for a therapist from a specificschool, and gotten a good run for my money.Of course, if you go to a jew therapist whose answer to any malady is "take meds", you are probably gonna have a bad experience, and you may grow resentful towards any and all therapists, but it really depemds from the person and their school.What would make it better? For me, less meds save for extreme cases, and less supposed "illnesses" which are really a broad spectrum of similar symptoms that are adscribed more or less random names which you are then more or less convinced to be incurable so you become dependent on whatever profit based meds have been made for it.Also, less women and more men. My therapist is a woman and she is fantastic, so personally saying women shouldn't be therapists doesn't make sense, but there are way too many women in a field that shouldn't be more feminized than it is already.
>>518725644been thru therapy a lot in rehab. It's all bullshit and pity parties with women. A male psychiatrist will call you a pussy if you tell them you decided not to commit suicide in the past. I got my BS in psychology btw and that's how I know it's all bullshit.
>>518729889>Ah yes, pseudoscience based on gaslighting child abuse victims by a pedophile mason obsessed with incest. Sorry you’re gay.Wait, who are you referring to? Not me, I know I'm gay>>518730354>Therapy is cool>Just to talk to someone>You will feel better about things>Tell them you dont give a fuck about improvement or diagnoses.>Therapy doesn't mean giving up controlYeah.>>518730437>Of course, if you go to a jew therapist whose answer to any malady is "take meds", you are probably gonna have a bad experience, and you may grow resentful towards any and all therapists, but it really depemds from the person and their school.What would make it better? For me, less meds save for extreme cases, and less supposed "illnesses" which are really a broad spectrum of similar symptoms that are adscribed more or less random names which you are then more or less convinced to be incurable so you become dependent on whatever profit based meds have been made for it.Also, less women and more men. My therapist is a woman and she is fantastic, so personally saying women shouldn't be therapists doesn't make sense, but there are way too many women in a field that shouldn't be more feminized than it is already.I think you would enjoy the survey, if you have the time.
>>518725644>>>/r9k/catalog
>>518730146>follow the moneyNot important. I care about the psychic and the esoteric more.
>>518731056Freud, obviously. You’re clearly larping.
>>518732391Are you a fan of early or late freud? Huge difference. Early freud is at the basis of many pop-psychology assumptions we have (trauma). Late freud is for incels. He stopped being genuine and became a grifter in his late career.
>>518732888I’m not a fan of masons, pedophiles, jews, and incestuous people.
>>518731226I also want to post there, but after some days, so I don't spam. I'm surprised you didn't >>>reddit>>518732042So you think there is something deeper than money going on?>>518732391>Freud, obviously. You’re clearly larping.Oh. Seems obvious in hindsight. Not many therapists do Freudian psychoanalysis anymore because the evidence isn't there. Plus, boundary issues and other weirdness.
>>518733347Modern psychotherapy is based on Freud, though. Who else’s work do you follow or base your practice on?
>>518733347>So you think there is something deeper than money going on?Hopefully. On the most surface level, psychiatrists are motivated by wanting to help people. That's not about money. There's also something hidden and evil about the industry, but o don't know what exactly.
>>518733335Not an argument. You probably believe that beating and raping kids is bad for them. That idea was popularized by freud.
>>518733712Carl Rogers.Modern psychotherapy takes some ideas from Freud, but the ideas are more fleshed out and implemented ethically. He's kind of a pariah at this point, in most circles.
>>518725644You're still a faggot
>>518733953Based. Carry on.
>>518725644kek, you glowniggers aren't even trying anymore
>>518725644I don't believe in therapy.
>>518725644>Have you been in therapy? What was it like?Tried therapy earlier this year. The guy I saw was a "Men's Mental Health" specialist and upon first glance looked like a stereotypical soiboi. Right away he pulls the bullshit of squeezing my hand as hard as a he can when we shake (already a red flag). He then gives me an introduction to himself where he talks to me about his divorce which is a second red flag. As time goes on and I tell him my problems, I'm getting a bit choked up because I'm discussing feelings with him I've never talked to another person about. Finally, this mother fucker tells me that I need to listen to people more because I didn't care about his divorce or wanted to inquire more (like a plumber complaining to me about his clogged toilet). This was the first time in my 30 years on Earth I tried therapy and have since written it off and haven't been back. I have accepted my story will probably end with suicide. Of which you can NEVER bring up because it guarantees a 1 way trip to a psych ward OR you get a mark on your record that is comparable to being labeled a felon or sex offender. I hate this fucking country with every ounce of my being and every Amerimutt in it.
One thing is therapists don't need extra legal powers to force you into debt-generating institutions like pysch wards or rehab facilities.
>>518734497That's fair. What do you do instead when you are feeling sad? Who do you go to?>>518734896Christ. That's terrible what he did. Especially when you gave him a shot like that and bared your soul. That does not sound like therapy at all, yet some people do that.>>518735314>One thing is therapists don't need extra legal powers to force you into debt-generating institutions like pysch wards or rehab facilities.Yeah. Have you been forced into one?
>>518734896That sucks dude and proves how humans are literally incapable of the empathy they demand. They all just want power and control -- for easier resources to create lazier comforts.
>>518736094I just deal with it
>>518725644Just hearing therapy makes me wanna throw up.Humans could deal with their own internal turmoil since forever, but now apparently you need to pay someone else to do that for you, which incidentally stifles psychological growth too
>>518725644two retarded buzzwords made up by the Rend corporation
>>518725644Not gonna click your link but my honest opinion is that therapy is mostly built to serve... let's say not so cognitively gifted people who basically go there to trauma dump on their relationships and to get validation. I've been to therapy for two different occasions (both for several months) and both times the therapist basically told captain obvious tier viewpoints and offered coping mechanisms I already came up with when I was twelve. If I had to pay for the waste of time I would've been pissed. What the field needs is high IQ therapists and modalities that aren't catered to crayon eaters. Never been an incel nor altright though so maybe not an answer you're specifically seeking for.
>>518736094>Yeah. Have you been forced into one?Yup. And I learned to never allow other human beings the ability to do that again and actively lie and bullshit these creatures to make sure it doesn't happen again.
>>518735314Therapists don't do that, psychiatrists do. What they can do is that they might schedule you a meeting with one, and the psych decides if you need the padded cell.
>>518737361Science says that the better you manage to stay calm when crazy shit is happening around you, the better you will be at dealing with similar situations in the future. The brain is strenghtened and literally learns to cope better.
>>518725644Nigger
>>518734896Try whatever flavour of spiritual contact fits you best. Even religious people can do that since there's angel contacting and stuff.Even if you dont believe in /x type stuff it doesnt matter. Whether it's your subconscious or a being from a sphere of reality outside conventional perception it doesnt really matter
>>518737527>both times the therapist basically told captain obvious tier viewpoints and offered coping mechanisms I already came up with when I was twelve. If I had to pay for the waste of time I would've been pissed.I would also be pissed. I imagine this is what many people get when they see a therapist. I won't get into it because I'm not here to change anyone's mind, but that is not useful therapy, and thankfully it does not describe all therapy. There are some great therapists out there, and some who are not as great or educated. I would like to educate others on what would help people who feel at home on places like 4chan. Lord knows I needed that as a teen. You're still welcome to take the survey, I take all answers into account.
>>518737913At least here in the states, therapists can (and must) make the call to get you stabilized, at least for a time, if you tell them you want to kill yourself or others.>>518737940That does help, to deal with it. It can also cause you stress, though. There's eustress, from doing something difficult, and toxic stress, which can weigh down on you more and more... different strokes for different folks, but it is nice to have someone to talk to, anyone. That includes my fellow /pol/lacks.
>>518733728>There's also something hidden and evil about the industryLots of bad apples who go there in order to have power over people. Sadly the good apples are usually dumb as rocks former psych nurses who get there for a better paycheck, but still want to help people.
>>518739281In other words, they're all snitches and you can't trust em.
>>518737361>Just hearing therapy makes me wanna throw up. Humans could deal with their own internal turmoil since forever, but now apparently you need to pay someone else to do that for you, which incidentally stifles psychological growth tooI said it to the other anon too, but dealing with your own stuff alone does help you manage it. It can be a lot, in some people's lives...>>518737940Reminds me of Guts.
>>518725644Basically if you want therapy to be accessible to men, you need to do the following:1. Fire any sexist (aka feminist) within the AMA. If they are misandrist, they need the boot followed by a vicious public tongue lashing for being a sexist piece of shit. This demonstrates that the field has adopted egalitarianism and will now help men. Because right now - you clearly are antagonistic to men and I wouldn't step in one's office if my life depended on it. 2. Get rid of all the anti-male dogma the AMA established. That means "toxic masculinity" and the like need to go and should be treated as no-no words given their use is to demean men as fundamentally toxic. Do not fall for feminist bullshit here, the use is purely as an insult, treat it as if it was the word nigger for men. 3. Work on that therapist gender ratio. You've probably been gatekeeping thanks to DEI policy, so stop that shit. Get some men who understand men working for these companies. 4. You need some sort of public education for how therapists get licensed and what that looks like, so people don't fall for scams. 5. Maybe get those DV shelters up for men. They keep getting shut down or stopped by feminist activists. This is a good indication you've made progress, the goal should be near parity given the victim ratio is 45:55.
>>518725983Therapists don't judge people....they help people make meaning of their lives and realise their powerful selves.t. Therapist
>>518740053Yeah this is why I won't talk to any therapist that's not a straight White male.
>>518739780You can say you're having suicidal thoughts, that alone isn't enough. It's access to a means of killing yourself and an immediate plan to do so that can land you in a ward.>>518740053I like it. Write all this in the survey. I can't use it if it's just part of the thread.>>518740399I wish more of us understood it the way you do.
>>518737940That's pretty much what I had to learn the extremely hard way. I had to steel myself not react to other people's bullshit because that's the trap -- me reacting to them fucking me over gets them to try and flip script and play victim.
>>518739805Therapy is inherently jewish. You basically pay a person to hear you bitch about your shitty life for an hour. Very exploitative, indeed.
>>518740608Okay snitch, whatever you say.
>>518741464And normies will keep gaslighting you until you do it, I'm being pushed into right now so I'm going to go just to lie and tell normies I'm going to therapy and the therapist said they're the faggots causing all my problems and I'm right and they're wrong.Normies think you going to therapy means they win the argument.
>>518741013>that's the trap -- me reacting to them fucking me over gets them to try and flip script and play victim.At its core, that is bullying. Very sadistic and you don't deserve that. When it's people at school or at home it can be very hard to get away from that treatment or to get someone at your defense.>>518742224>And normies will keep gaslighting you until you do it, I'm being pushed into right now>Normies think you going to therapy means they win the argument.You know it doesn't mean that they won the argument. So what does it mean?
>>518725644I think less of a dependence upon pharmacological approaches would go a long way insofar as improving therapy goes. I would say that's my most primary problem with the field. Most of you are nothing more than state sanctioned drug dealers. No different than any other drug dealer fundamentally.
>>518743067>You know it doesn't mean that they won the argument.I should say they THINK in *their* mind they won because their "sane" and you're "crazy" if you're in therapy or get thrown in the psych ward after they argue with you, lose and then "feel threatened" or "concerned about your mental health" aka gaslighting.>At its core, that is bullying. Very sadistic and you don't deserve that. When it's people at school or at home it can be very hard to get away from that treatment or to get someone at your defense.Story of my life and it justifies my aggressive misanthropy towards "other person" and their never ending bullying, gaslighting, argumentative lying and constantly trying to screw me over to do their bidding.
>>518743151True... Meds help in some cases but they don't create meaning or love or anything like that. >>518743352>I should say they THINK in *their* mind they won because their "sane" and you're "crazy" if you're in therapy or get thrown in the psych ward after they argue with you, lose and then "feel threatened" or "concerned about your mental health" aka gaslighting.You're "crazy and unreasonable" if you don't go to therapy and you get called the same if you do go to it. Many such cases!How do you win with those kind of people? Or not win, but how do you get them to leave you alone? How do you live with them?
>>518744630>How do you win with those kind of people? I'm not 100% for sure but I'm experimenting with just ghosting them out of my life, ignoring them and utterly using/draining them if I get the chance.
>>518736094>That's fair. What do you do instead when you are feeling sad? Who do you go to?...i dont feel a thing and i've stopped remembering, days are just moments turned to hours...
>>518745171>I'm not 100% for sure but I'm experimenting with just ghosting them out of my life, ignoring them and utterly using/draining them if I get the chance.Those all make sense... especially if you things weren't much different when you tried to work with them>>518746255That is a way too.
