Alfalfa production accounts for 55% of the water use that's depleting the Great Salt Lake and nobody here is doing shit about it because god forbid you tell these entitled Alfalfa niggers they're cut off from endless water for their garbage crop. >Uh... yeah we dried up the Great Salt Lake and unleashed arsenic dust storms on the only populated corridor in the state but at least some Alfalfa farmers could buy a ford F-150 in 2025.
You retards wanted massive development in Utah. You deserve a water crisis.
>>519333608We can handle development easily. It's alfalfa that's the problem. If we stopped growing alfalfa we could literally increase our development and STILL the great salt lake water levels would rise. Alfalfa farmers are just entitled faggots who have their buddies in SLC making sure nobody touches their endless water.
what does the % of GDP have to do with it? steel and aluminum production is a tiny % of GDP now, but it is also extremely essential. same as you make nothing by cleaning your room, but you live in squalor if you do not
>>519333782Alfalfa is not essential at all. Especially when it's going to unleash an arsenic dust storm on everybody here.
>>519333278I see you watched that RealLifeLore video
its used for animal feed. but we got enough basedbeans for that now that Brazil is the largest exporter of onions in the world now basedface.jpg
>>519333278They're just trying to drive beef prices even higher.
>>519333827>Alfalfa is not essential at allnot to (You), but it is to things that eat it
>>519333835I did but I also live in Utah and am glad he finally brought attention to Alfalfa niggers. I hate them.>>519333954>but it is to things that eat itIncoming rancher sob story about how you're so oppressed o algo BTW we produce 4.1% of the USA's alfalfa supply. So why are we destroying our entire state for an industry that is less than 1% of GDP and any production loss can be offset by more production in other states?
>>519334135kike just say that you want beef prices to go up. It'll make things easier for everyone
>>519334135do you eat meat or not? you just keep repeating the same shit otherwise.
>>519334241Utah produces 4.1% of the Alfalfa in the USA. Yet it is going to destroy the entire state because they use 55% of the water that replenishes the GSL. You're not going to be able to grow alfalfa when arsenic dust storms fuck up your crops. You are like all ranchers, totally incapable of thinking about the future. Just want your money now no matter what happens. If beef prices go up a little sure, let it happen. I'm sure alfalfa production in other states will continue to grow and it will be fine. Now how many tax payers are paying for your grazing subsidies, USDA insurance subsidies, corn and onions and alfalfa subsidies that help you ranching welfare queens. Niggers of America.
>>519334279I do eat meat. I eat lots of meat my diet is basically 95% carnivore. That doesn't mean I think ranching interests can destroy my state so their cattle feed is 0.25% cheaper.
>>519334444>I do eat meat.stopped reading there then
>>519333278How are they using water from the great salt lake, are they distilling it first?
>>519334476>OMG YOU EAT MEAT SO YOU MUST WANT TO DESTROY YOUR STATE SO 4.1% OF THE NATION'S ALFALFA PRODUCTION CAN CONTINUE!!!No. That's not the case at all. Eating meat doesn't = let farmers and ranchers ruin the environment so their low quality slop is cheaper.
>>519334539They take all the river water and mountain snow runoff that would flow into the Great Salt Lake
there are jeets and homosexuals to feed in UT now. Eliminate those two demographics and water crisis is averted at no cost to humanity.
>>519333782The alfalfa is mostly exported to China. The situation is more fucked up the more you look into it. Trump should probably step in because the Utah law makers are bought.
>>519334692>If you don't want everybody in Utah to die of arsenic poisoning so Chinese farm animals can have a .25% cheaper feed you hate America and must be a vegan!You can't argue with alfalfa niggers
>>519334692how do you know this?
>>519334608Scummy >>519334692Mormon mafia
>>519334781most alfalfa is used for dairy cows, so stop eating dairy too
>>519333732Isn't Alfalfa mostly used to feed Saudi horses or some shit? I remember that being one of Phoenix's big issues with water.
>>519334692>Trump should step in because our law makers are boughtTrump really isn't that expensive.
>>519333896This. It’s incredible how stupid people on pol are“Animal agriculture in Utah represents the single largest sector of farm income in Utah. At a value of more than $1 billion, and with 25 of the state’s 29 counties reporting livestock as the dominant agricultural sector, the UDAF spends considerable energy maintaining a healthy and prosperous industry, and reporting our actions to Utah citizens.”People like op should actually kill themselves, it would be the smartest decision they have ever made
>>519333278Utah anon here, afalfa farmers fuck you. Lake is worth 10x what you retards make farming grass.
>>5193354251 billion dollars a year, vrs evacuating half the state population when the lake dries up. Who would take that deal?
>>519335219Typical rancher retard.>If you don't give us everything we want that means you must be a veganAlso, I don't drink milk, let alone your steroid filled slop you call dairy. >>519335322Alfalfa niggerdom knows no bounds. We have one in the thread with us here.>>519335425> the single largest sector of farm income in UtahAnd? why are farmers so special that they get unleash arsenic on the next generations of Utahans so they can make money now? > 25 of the state’s 29 counties reporting livestock as the dominant agricultural sector,Yeah because cattle grazing is the onle agriculture you can really do her ebesides alfalfa> the UDAF spends considerable energy maintaining a healthy and prosperous industry, and reporting our actions to Utah citizens.”Ah... so you got this from a UDAF shill page. Got it. Anything to keep the endless gravy train going. Did you know Utah's cattle account for 0.8% of the US total? Maybe we don't need them that much... It's not worth destroying the economically productive and sustainable part of the state for rancher handouts.
>>519335732When the lake dries up we lose the sbowpack that bringd in billions a year too. We need lake effect snow for park city. Its criminal the water these asshats waste. 2bd driest state in the country, and they have UNLIMITED water rights. And by the laws of the 1800s if they dont use the allotments they have, they lose it. They HAVE to waste it.
>>519333278Alfalfa doesn’t do well with salt water.Try again.Retard.
>>519336084>Alfalfa doesn’t do well with salt water.You're too dumb to join the thread. They take all the fresh water that runs into the salt lake, they don't take the salt water from the lake.
>climate change is real>we need to import millions of browns that trash every land they step foot onSo which is it
>>519333278All monocrop "farmers" should be lined up and shot, in fact any "farmer" that uses any gasoline powered vehicle to "farm" should be executed. Evil beyond imagining.
>>519336199Nobody mentioned climate change or brown people
>>519334390Oh, l no! Not the giant stinky salty pool that contributes nothing. Think of the poor folks living in the endless apartment complexes and condos!
>>519333278Saudis were doing this in Arizona.
>>519337613That giant stinky pool actually contributes way more economically. It also increases our ski season by regulating the environment and it prevents arsenic dust from blowing all over.
>>519336236Alfalfa is perennial, at least.
>just kill your agriculture bro>wait why is there nothing to eat
>>519334608Doesn't the water become useless once it mixes with the great salt lake? Why is any fresh water wasted by allowing it to get there?
My dad used to grow alfalfa, square bale it and sell it to "horse people" for a huge profit. He distinguished himself from competitors by delivering these premium hay bales in an enclosed trailer as opposed to an open hay wagon so they wouldn't get any wetter. Alfalfa bales are notoriously heavy with moisture and mold easily if not handled correctly.
>>519333278this is a jeet post.I can tell from seeing many like them.
>>519339008/thread
>>519337774If the politicians are for sale why can't the more valuable lake users outbid the alfalfa farmers and get the laws changed?
>>519339385First, see:>>519335929Our ski season and tourism depends on itSecond, the most important reason is because if the lake dries up it will unleash endless arsenic dust storms on the entire Wasatch Front corridor (where all the people live in Utah)Third there's actually industries that produce more than agriculture in the state that involve the Lake1) Brine shrip farming is huge 2) Certain mineral and resource extractions that depend on a certain water level in the lake (magnesium, lithium, etc.)3) It's an important habitat for birds during migration which actually brings in a lot of money from bird watching touristsBut yeah the most important thing is it will fuck the entire state (and other states) when toxic dust is blowing everywhere and it will destroy our ski tourism because of the lake snow effect.
>>519339708Because alfalfa farmers are more geographically spread
>>519333278Yes. Meat eaters are destroying the planet, we know. Disgusting fucks.
>>519339008>>519339656What percent of US agriculture is exported. We aren't going to starve if Utah's alfalfa industry or ranching industry goes away. They make up a minuscule amount of the total US production of alfalfa and beef. And again, we subsidze the fuck out of our agriculture to send endless slop to other countries while fucking up the environment for everybody else. We could reduce our agrigovernment to a tenth of its current and still easily feed the whole country and canada too
>>519333278Fuck alfalfa farmers. All my homies hate alfalfa farmers.
Why not just grow some avocados instead?
>>519333278nigger you already have an evaporation problem going on with your gay ass salt lakethats what god did for you pozzed out heretics
>>519334135>o algospic
Establish non-intensive, low-input, and low-workload systems that are synced with the natural flows of plant life.Mandate that animals be pasture raised, kept and finished, holistically grazed, using hay is an auxiliary feed that amounts to no more than 10% of their intake.Restore the water table through earthworks to make the water supply 100% cyclical. Observe the water cycle, not the carbon cycle.Launch marine clean-up operations and end all fishing except for small-scale sardine and salmon fishing in tandem free range bottom cultured oyster bed with a gravel floor.Direct floodwaters into lakes instead of letting it all go down rivers. Stopping water diversion for farming and harvesting rainwater underground will remove drought.Install some irrigation for auxiliary purposes (to compensate for an initial lack of rainfall).Inoculate soil with bacteria and fungi.No till. Seed drill insertion for select crops. Seasonal growth/production with direct-to-market (80% direct-to-consumer 20% to boutique butcher) local distribution.Meat and dairy consumption being primary and universal via decentralized, small-scale, community based pastures and facilities. Wage total war on meatpackers and supermarket chains, since they are behind the rise in food prices. With farming done right, soil organic matter can be rebuilt from .5% to 1% annually. This can be scaled down to the most local of levels. E.g., rather than having one 10,000-hectare farm run by a single farmer, you instead have ten 1000-hectare farms, or one-hundred 100-hectare farms, each run by multiple farmers (or families) and/or teams who rotate throughout the year. >be retarded farmers, mostly boomers>gotta grow muh crops to feed third worlders their slop
>>519334390Go back to your SLC condo and sip a latte faggot, ranchers are God's real chosen ones
>>519339757As if the moderately high IQ Mormons can't figure something out to mitigate the dust, stop being such a beef hating cunt
>>519334692The farm land all around me is slowly being sold for Commercial.
>>519341038>Ranchers are God's real chosen onesMore like God's chosen welfare queens>>519341156>can't figure something out to mitigate the dustyou're joking right? >Just let everybody die next generation so some alfalfa farmers can be a little bit richer today... uh mormons are smart or something
Imagine watering grass
>>519333278Utahniggers are retarded>dump all US Magnesium's mining trailings directly into the great salt lake>let alfalfaniggers empty the lake>expose the lakebed, now all the toxic shit is directly exposed to the desert air>airborne heavy metals contamination in the only habitable area of the state>massive birth defectsI'm not an envirofag, far from it. But the EPA stepped in and shut the state legislature down because they won't stop poisoning themselves. What was the Utah solution? Pass a state law saying the EPA telling them they aren't allowed to poison their own children is 'unconstitutional'Mormons are seriously like a bunch of toddlers playing with their dad's loaded gun they found in the closet, and the sooner they get their state taken away, the less harm they'll do to themselves
>>519333278Fuck you!We aren't using the water on (((your))) AI data centers
>>519333732Fuck you, (((retard)))No, the problem is not alfalaThe problem is endless immigration, greedy real estate (((developers)) and the desire to use the water for more data centers
>>519333278Bullshit. Unless you have giant desalination plants in Utah. Which you don't. I respect your weird LARP, though. Enjoy your (you)
>>519333278Theres a lot of water in the great lakes.
>>519341723No the problem is quite literally alfalfa more than anything else. >>519341725Dumbass we are talking about water being diverted from rivers and snow melt BEFORE it replenishes the salt lake not being pumped out of the salt lake.
>>519333827Alfalfa feeds cattle so yes it is important.Get rid of onions crops and using corn for biofuel.That is where there is massive retardation in Big Ag.
>>519342114>Alfalfa feeds cattle so yes it is important.Utah produces 4% of USA's total and we have lass than 1% of cattle of the USA USA agriculture is mostly exported we don't need to dry up the great salt lake to support a minuscule the percent of alfalfa agriculture that exists in Utah
>>519341762No water pipeline. Great Lake compact would never agree to it
>>519341762This is actually not true. It is a bit of a meme. So, you needn't trouble yourself looking there for water because you won't find any.
>>519342084>No the problem is quite literally alfalfa more than anything else.Then why have we not had this problem any time in the past?Go back to fagRe d d ittIn Utah and the rest of the nation, kikes have been coordinating to attack the farmers.It is part of their demographic replacement agenda to force White farmers off of the land
>>519333278I love a juicy burger as much as the next guy, but OP is right. It's basic kindergarten math. Besides, why the fuck are our farmers feeding our enemies in the first place? Treason much?
>>519333732>we could literally increase our developmentIn that case I’m planting alfalfa
"The groundwater flows to the surface naturally"https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2025/07/03/water-beneath-great-salt-lake/
1.The Great Salt Lake drying up is climate alarmist libtard bullshit.2. None of these faggots are suggesting the major unnecessary water consumers like the NSA data center, proposed AI data centers, lithium mining faggotry or proposed nuclear reactors restrict water usage... only farmers.3. If water were really the issue, there are feed crops that consume 25% of the water of alfalfa and are just as profitable; however these (((faggots))) have created laws disallowing that.
>>519342555Intentionally conflating development with ghettos.Development is a good thing. You're just a nigger.
>>519342463We suspect your post as spam.
>>519333278Between welfare queening and hiring illegals, I'm beginning to think farmers aren't all that great and wholesome...
ITT: Lithium miners trying to protect their access to water since they are cheap as fuck and booth their land on the west side of the lake. Stupid lithium miners will be crying like bitches when back to back flood years happen the lake swamps all their facilities. Then they will beg the state to restart the pumps, but the pumps won’t work since they are too old
>>519342789>We suspect(((we)))Then, why is a unique post?Fuck off, jeetard
>>519334692Not surprising. Our forefathers knew that Mormoniggers were a scurge from the beginning. They don't get a pass for being white and conservative when they literally worship a demon.
>>519333278Money, greed is the meaning of life in capitalism!
>>519342778It’s not necessarily good or bad, however the wasatch front is already crowded, and I personally prefer orchards and range to buildings and solar farms.
They have also been trying to restrict century old grazing permits for ranchers in Utah.The farmers are being forced to sell to the banks like (((BlackRock)))They have also been building literally hundreds of empty ghost apartment buildings in rural/semi-rural Utah that will not be filled except through mass immigration bullshit
>>519333732>we>ourWho?
>>519343001Have you ever lived in these new developments or spent time there?It is 100% bad.The construction quality is so bad that even the "luxury" constructions require 10X more maintenance than 75 year old buildings.They are slums as the construction quality is almost as bad as what is seen in China. In 15 years, the buildings will look exactly like slum buildings
>>519342463>>519342555>>519343118>Omg development badBetter and more sustainable than alfalfa >Then why is the lake going down now It's been going down for decades
>>519343208>Alfalfa is a sustainable crop due to its ability to fix nitrogen, improve soil health, and reduce erosion. Its deep root system helps sequester carbon, and it requires fewer chemical inputs than many annual crops. Alfalfa also supports biodiversity by providing habitat for wildlife and pollinators, making it a key component of regenerative agriculture practices
>>519333278>Oy vey, stupid goyim these farmers are to blame for your problems. Without them how will my immigrant slave labor and mines get enough water.
>>519343208That's right, faggot.We don't need any more "luxury" apartment slum building for jeet and spic welfare migrants.We do need more multigenerational farmers, cheaper food, more community stability and freedom.
Allow me to introduce you all to the former jewish farming colony of Clarion, Utah.https://historyofmormonism.com/2011/07/13/jewish-colony-clarion-utah/They jews were given good farm land, almost unlimited money from their wealthy donors and constant aid from the Mormon farmers.The colony failed with the jews claiming the farmland was bad and there was not enough water.However, Mormon farmers with less water on land the quite literally abutted the jewish colony land were thriving.After 5 years and incredibly generous help, the jewish colony failed.These are the people they tell us are intelligent and hard working, but every time they have to produce on their own, they fail.They only succeed with parasitic leaching like this new attack on the multigenerational White Mormon farmers.
>>519341469not everyone live in country where is raining two times a day
>>519343580>We do need more multigenerational farmersActually we don't need this in Utah. Quite the opposite. This isn't Kansas sweetie. >>519343442Sustainable when you have an adequate water supply. Not in the high desert.
>>519345221>No, goyim can't own farm landSwing harder rabbi
>>519345362I didn't say you can't own farmland. I said you aren't entitled to endless water for your retarded grass. Again, this is Utah the idea that you're entitled to endless water to farm some shitty crop is retarded. We live in a desert.
>>519345221There it is.I can't believe you actually admitted it.Your goal is fewer White multigenerational farmers.Your mask is slipping, you soulless kike.
>>519345462>I didn't say you can't own farmland>>519345221>>We do need more multigenerational farmers>Actually we don't need this in Utah. Swing harder lying kike
>>519345527No. My goal is less water intensive agriculture in Utah when it's unnecessary. These aren't family farms. These are commercial Alfalfa farms sending most of it to China. What do you think will happen to all your mormon homesteads when arsenic dust BTFOs you because you took all the water from the rivers for your stupid grass? >LET PEOPLE GROW ENDLESS ALFALFA IN THE DESERT TO SELL TO CHINA AND SAUDI ARABIA SO THE GREAT SALT LAKE DRIES UP OR ELSE YOU'RE A JEW!!!Quite the opposite. White Americans like to conserve nature. Alfalfa farmers are the jews here.
Also dumb LDSniggers in Boulder and Escalante love to let their cattle stomp all over BLM land without grazing allotments and our National Parks. But growing alfalfa in the desert is the pinnacle of retardation.
>>519345615You can own farmland here. You just shouldn't be entitled to endless water. If you can't produce commercial alfalfa to export in Utah then kindly leave to another state. If you want to have a homestead or something then fine, that's not an issue. But alfalfa niggers won't be satisfied until Utah is a dried out wasteland that's uninhabitable.Do you deny the Great Salt Lake is drying out and that's going to be a disaster? Enjoy your organic onions when they're covered in toxic dust because you thought some alfalfa nigger needed to use all the water to send his slop grass to China.
>>519345724And they get so many subsidies so it costs less than 2 dollars for them to graze on BLM lands. But rancher niggers think they're entitled to all the public lands like it's their own private pasture. kek
>>519345724Oh and then if their cattle are illegally grazing and jump in front of your car they sue you for hurting their cow lmfao
>>519345668>but muh global warming arsenic!You just said we don't need more mulitgenerational farmers at allWe don't believe your ridiculous lies, kike.You will rot in hell
>>519345742>You just shouldn't be entitled to endless water.No, they are LEGALLY entitled to it unless you steal it.
>>519345742>Goyim can only use the land the way us jews say or they loose it. Keep swinging kike, your pilpul will never hide your land grab targeting Whites.
>>519345724Hey there buddy, no need to go around defaming the North American Desert Jew like that, they are keystone species of the Great American West
>>519345783>Now we need to get rid of the cattle!>Those LDS are too productive!This was the agreement that was made with the US government over a century ago.There is no subsidy.The cattle are making unproductive, desolate land productive.The land can't be used for anything else.
>>519345999This has nothing to do with global warming. When lakes dry up it releases a bunch of toxic dust. >>519346046Yeah so we can change our water use laws to BTFO Alfalfa niggers that way nice homesteaders like you can keep farming and the commercial alfalfa water hogs can go move to kansas or something>>519346073So you're okay with drying up the Great Salt Lake and ruining future generations' chances to live in Utah or have a small farm so that commercial Alfalfa farmers today can make a quick buck? You're a brain broken golem who thinks commercial agriculture is the same thing as grown some vegetables in your backyard.Yes, there are limitations to water usage in the Great Basin.
>>519346181I didn't say we need to get rid of the cattle. I just find ranchers to be welfare queen niggers (often) but they aren't the problem in Utah. The problem here is commercial alfalfa farming. Ranchers being dramatic niggers with a persecution complex is a separate issue.Although I will say those "range cattle" then get finished off with GMO corn and Grains and are pumped full of roids and then sold abroad as beef slop. So it's not like we have a beef shortage here. Most of our agriculture is exported. This can be fine but it also means the world won't end if a state like utah stops producing Alfalfa.
>>519346264>When lakes dry up it releases a bunch of toxic dust.You would have to literally be retarded to believe this lie.Stop the attacks on the farmers! You blood sucking parasites aren't from Utah and you don't belong here.
>>519346395>So it's not like we have a beef shortage hereYou kikes have gotten so lazy with your lies.Have you seen the beef prices here?The US cattle herd is smaller than it has been in 100 years.Go fuck yourself
>>519346426>You would have to literally be retarded to believe this lie.Accept that there's multiple examples of this happening last century all over the world (including in the US btw, just on a much smaller scale than what will happen with the Great Salt lake).>Stop the attacks on the farmers! Farmers are welfare queens. We overproduce so much GMO slop to sell to china. Sorry, I'm not going to sacrifice my state so big Alfalfa can make some extra money now. This is not an attack on homesteaders. If your multi-generational farm is some Alfalfa mecca then yeah I think you should have your water rights greatly reduced. >>519346426>You blood sucking parasites aren't from Utah and you don't belong here.My ancestors came here on the Mormon trail. Yours came here in 1990 to sell slop to china.
>>519346511>Have you seen the beef prices here?Yeah, not my problem. Most of your beef is corn slop anyway. Sorry. >The US cattle herd is smaller than it has been in 100 years.Pay your BLM grazing fees and stop complaining. We all subsidize your welfare cows, you lower your tone when you speak to taxpayers, welfare nigger.
>>519333278these disparities should all be hounded out and shut down, this is absurd
>>519342114cows can graze on pastures like they're meant to
>>519346426The GSL has been shrinking for a long time. It got a bit of a reprieve during the wet winter of 2023, but that's running out. It needs more water flowing into the basin, or it risks an Aral-style collapse.
>>519333278OP hates beeshttps://beeswiki.com/alfalfa-honey/
>>519346726The funny thing most of these ranchers who have their cattle graze on BLM land then sell them to feedlots out of states after 10 months or so and they get pumped full of roids and corn. So much of USA beef is so shit that other countries refuse to import it and that causes our ranchers to cry like faggots.
>>519346787>Commercial Alfalfa is allowed to FlowerIf you REALLY want to save the bees turn all the Alfalfa farms into wilderness and let wildflowers grow there
>>519346742>Antelope "Island"Just sad to see.
>>519346800>out of statesI mean out of state not out of the US
>>519342839>hiring illegalsAlfalfa doesn't use immigrants you retarded nigger. It's fully mechanized since the beginning to the end. A single farmer could take care of over 9000 acres with just his two hands.t.knower
>>519333278nothing is too expensive and harmful if it helps the animal ag mafia
>>519347437This is wrong. Alfalfa uses illegal labor here. Not as much as some other agricultural practices, but it still does. So do ranchers btw but then they cry about illegals and love deportations as long as it's not THEIR seasonal workers But you are correct Alfalfa and ranching is not the most heavily dependent on illegal labor type of agriculture
>>519333827>Alfalfa is not essential at all.It is pretty essential as animal fodder, you wouldn't get burgers if you didn't feed cattle with hay fodder. Or milk.If you think Utah has it bad, commiefornia produces it for export to chinks and japs.
>>519347841Utah Alfalfa doesn't go to Utah cattle. The vast majority of Utah cattle graze on BLM land then get sold to feedlots in texas and kansas to be filled with roids, cornslop, and antibiotics.Most of our Alfalfa here is exported to China too. There is 0 reason we need the level of Alfalfa farming here especially when it threatens to destroy our one populated corridor that economically powers the state.And Alfalfa niggers will blame "Muh lawns" when that's nothing compared to their China grass.
>>519347659Really? In what process do you use hands there? Seeding, harvesting, packing... it's all done by machines.
>>519333278isn't that just grass?wouldn't there be grass anyway? AFAIK they dont use irrigation to grow alfalfadont they lay pipe to bring too much water away?
>>519348087Smaller operations here cut and bundle by hand and use illegals. But my issue with Alfalfa is not illegals. It's that they will destroy the GSL and unleash toxic dust on everybody and they literally don't give a fuck.>>519348110We are in a desert. Alfalfa is a super water intensive crop for us. It's 2-3x more water intensive than wheat. It makes no sense and nothing is being done about it.
>>519348227>Smaller operations here cut and bundle by hand and use illegalsLMAO, so some kike got a gang of beaners out there with scythes hand tiring bales?
>>519348329I highly doubt they're Jewish just given the demographics of our state. But maybe Jewish in the spiritual sense
>>519336084>Alfalfa doesn’t do well with salt water.Salt water is pretty essential in preserving hay. To preserve it as animal fodder, you are going to need solution made of about 70% formic acid, 10% ammonium salts and 20% water. >>519347935A lot south western US depends on Colorado river water. Do you know what is the funny part. Your entire water planning is based on like wettest 30 year period in last millennia. It isn't just Utah, its everyone downstream in drainage area. Best part is that water rights system you developed actively punishes any farmer that tries to save water, if you don't use it, your lose it kind of system.
>>519348227We have a similar climate as California. No one here plants alfalfa. That crop is for more humid climates, where it rains like x4. If you pay to use irrigation i think they should be focusing in other plants, maybe corn or sunflowers.
>>519348369So where is this commercial Alf-Alfa operation using illegals hand cutting and hand baling?
>>519348373Yeah we need to totally reform our water rights system here. Also the seniority principle is retarded. People think "My grandpappy was here so I can waste as much water as I want :D">>519348478It's so retarded we grow it here and use most of our water on it and 70% of it is exported to China so basically we just export 55% of our water so a few Alfalfa operations can get rich. Utah just wasn't built to be an agricultural powerhouse. We have other states for that. I'm not saying ban all farming. But water usage has to be limited for Alfalfa or the entire state is fucked. When the GSL dries out it's going to be the worst ecological disaster in American history. The entire Wasatch Front will be covered in toxic dust
>>519348507Probably on your grandpappy's retarded Alfalfa farm
>>519348682You made the claim here>>519348227>Smaller operations here cut and bundle by hand and use illegals.Now show proof.
>>519333278>import a billion niggers>MUH WATER
>>519348644>70% of it is exported to ChinaShow proof.
>>519335030It's not as much China as it is Saudi Arabia. They import alphalpha, for their heavily subsidized agricultural attempts, and it really is as if they are importing water. Alphalpha requires a lot of water to grow it, and effectively its as if you are exporting water because of that.What we need is a pipeline from Washington state to the east side of the Rockies, and that will replenish the Colorado River. Problem solved.
>>519333278American corporations are cancer. Always will be. Can't wait for your faggot empire to fall.
>>519333278Imagine if alfalfa farmers had to go to college or work at least at McDonald’s (Mormons are so hard core dead ass about work ethic they can all go die)
>>519333732>We can handle development easily.>OH NO WE CANT HANDLE THE DEVELOPMENT!
>>519348644>use most of our water on it and 70% of it is exported to ChinaAh shit. I know that story. Here it's the same but with pig farms. People doesn't how much water those farms use, they are like small cities. And nearly all is exported to China.When my father was young you could find water on the surface. Then you had to drill for 50m until you found the water. Then was 100m, then 200m... now you are not even allowed to drill new wells, and the ones already made have to go down 300m to get water, which increase the cost a lot because you have to use a lot of energy to bring the water up.
>>519343878Thanks for sharing. Too bad they didn't end up in Madagascar.
>>519348644>Yeah we need to totally reform our water rights system here. Also the seniority principle is retarded. People think "My grandpappy was here so I can waste as much water as I want :D"The water rights system you have is basically insanity.>basically we just export 55% of our waterA lot of agricultural exports are essentially exporting water, so its borderline criminal to use limited water resources to produce low value bulk animal fodder. >Utah just wasn't built to be an agricultural powerhouseI think most of the state is either desert or semi desert, so "No shit, Sherlock". Sure there are mountain valleys and such... but anyway.>>519348961>Saudi Arabia. They import alphalpha, for their heavily subsidized agricultural attemptsThat isn't even best part when it comes to Saudi bullshit with farming. They have tried grow wheat with essentially fossil ground water, a resource that will replenish next time there is a fucking ICE AGE.
Do you suggest they should cut their GDP (PBUH) by 1% to save water? That's hecking apostasy - better prepare to be stoned or/and burned at stake desu
>>519333278>imagine crying about grass.Fucking retard
>>519334135Pretty funny you think working ranchers are bourgeoisie. Maybe their kids are millionaires but the second they inherit the ranch they're going to sell it, then the only reason they'll grow alfalfa is for an ag subside.
The political left works tirelessly for open borders but cries "limited resources" when it suits them.
