The chinese economy is in a deflationary death spiral. The collapse is coming. Total economical implosion is less than a year away.
>>519347182>cheaper things for consumers badAnnounces the scamming jew
>>519347182>Total economical implosion is less than 2 more weeks.FTFY
>>519347182What's wrong with cheaper products?
>>519347182>Chinese companies are aggressively competing with each other, causing larger diversity in product selection and cheaper prices Zoomers might not remember this, but this literally used to be the argument in favor of capitalism.Somewhere along the way, it got flipped around so that competition and low prices are somehow bad, because it means less profits for oligarch Jews.This country is so pathetic
>>519347579Less quality control. Enjoy a future of lithium battery explosions.
>>519347638rich, coming from a burger. Enjoy your plastic-food.
>>519347638And who started this lithium battery in automobile trend? Mossad musk? Throwing normal car batteries in the ocean isn’t even bad compared to lithium batteries
>>519347182>most basic bitch prediction made by Marx hundreds of years ago>thinks the Chinks aren't aware of this problem
>>519347579Lower prices are antisemitic because it means Jews can’t profit as much by overcharging you. Capitalism doesn’t mean competition, free market, low prices etc. it means funneling money upwards to rich Jews who don’t have to compete, innovate, or improve their products because the rigged financial system guarantees they’ll keep profiting no matter what
>>519347182>Total economical implosion is less than a year away.People have been saying that for 5 years and line keeps going up.The markets don't match reality anymore because the biggest companies thrive no matter what is happening "on the ground" outside of a total breakdown where their tools would be useless.
>>519347182we should bomb theyre factories. Tesla makes everything (cars batteries, etc......) as good as we need it, we dont NEED competition. Taiwan should be a staging ground, america should be on top no matter...
>>519347182Chinks are literally losing money while we keep gaining value in housing.
>>5193477645 years isn’t a long time. The collapse of Rome took centuries to play out
>>519347182I will never understand why cheaper things= bad. Fucking kikes
>>519347833Deflation has begun. Every year, electricity gets cheaper in China. China's overheated economy is already over. The collapse of the real estate bubble has burst, and they have huge debts.
>>519347939This is especially bad for China. China's deflation comes from being the cheapest economy in the world due to advancement in productivity and scale of supply chain. China's deflation is caused by supply shock. Japan’s deflation commenced when it was the most expensive economy in the world - $100 cantaloupes in Tokyo in 1990. Japan deflation was caused by demand shock.
>>519347638The catestrophic rate of failure of lith ion batt is actually 1 in 1 million, which quite low. But now we're literally surrounded by battery devices the sheer amount of exposure makes it more likely to experience one eventually.
Article explaining the problem:https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/what-is-involution-chinas-race-to-the-bottom-competition-trend-2025-09-14/tl;dr hyper-aggressive competition results in returns that are not only diminishing but destructive. It's a race to the bottom. Companies are spending lots of resources fighting for scraps.
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>>519347864It's not, it's great for consumers and savers and its how markets suppose to work. The banker fiat jew hates it.
>oh hey guys, china totally sucks and their economy is poop. just take our word for it.
>>519347182>>519347833Affordable things and housing through the power of capitalist competition is bad?VsJewish cartel feudalism where everything is more and more unaffordable till the native populations are culled and replaced by jeetbots is good?
>>519347833>Chinks are literally losing money while we keep gaining value in housing.
China is still living in 2085
>>519347939>electricity gets cheaper in ChinaHow is this a bad thing?
>>519347833Kek Peak westoid post
>>519348107Race to the bottom what, as companies go under, so will supply diminish until supply and demand reach equilibrium. This is how markets work, it's not fucking doomsday, literally hundreds of less efficient ev companies already got filtered before brands like YBD became dominant.
>>51934718252 MORE WEEKS
>>519348235>Flag checks out
>>519348107MARX LITERALLY PREDICTED THIS YOU FUCKING LUDDITEhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall
>>519348243The problem is the overabundant supply. There are enough competitors in many markets that make it impossible for anyone to come out dominant on top. That means small profit margins for everyone.
>>519347182Brutal deflation. Unlike us that have wonderful 20% YoY inflation.
>>519348205>How is this a bad thing?Because lower prices encourage higher consumption, making it harder to meet climate targets. That means if electricity is cheap, businesses have less incentive to invest in energy-efficient technology, wasting resources in the long run.
>>519348243Well its basically that, a market correction because it was overinflated, the country won't collapse like Japan didn't collapse but it could be decades of stagnation for China which will likely cause social unrest
>>519347182Get off the board, Peter Zeihan!
>>519347182China will collapse any day now I'm sure. It's been several years and they still haven't collapsed but any day now it will happen.
>>519348358Small profit margins is great for consumers, thus only hurts the investment jew.>>519348435Market corrections are fast as long as no fiat monopoly oney being sent in to maintain a bubble>social unrestYou sure were talking about the same group of people that exchanged dead babies to eat between neightors through a countrywide famine caused by Mao without rebellion?
>>519348754The fact that Mao existed at all means there is potential for revolution as unlikely as it may be
>>519347182Inflation being good is still the biggest meme out there
>>519348395>climate targets
>>519347638Incorrect anon- my next car will be chinese with Naxtra batteries- impossibre to catch fire- Chinese is evolving! China is indeed numba 1. China wir never catch fire again. 175Wh/kg - which is just barely berow the average energy density of a rithium ion car at 180Wh/kg. unberieveabre! And so cheap 10% of the cost of rithium ion!
>>519348395>meet climate targetThese prices are decreasing due to adoption of green and nuclear (non carbon/low carbon) elec generation.
people have been predicting the imminent implosion of the entire Chinese economy for years now
>>519347579Things being cheap isn't a problem, things constantly getting cheaper is a problem because it makes people hesitant to spend money (since they can always get a better deal tomorrow).
>>519347638Already have those, thanks to retards throwing vapes and other "disposable" shit with Li-Ion batteries into the recycling bins
>>519348367>>519348395>>519348358>>519348295>>519348243>>519348163But at what cost?
>>519348825The whole argument of why inflation is good by the central banks is that it keeps people from holding onto their money and force them to give it to banks to keep for them and use for their own to "retain real value".
>>519348875nah bro, everyone is a fucking money spending hound when they see shit, partly because of the dopamine addiction of buying things. That's only true for expensive things.
>>519348875Lower and middle class people spend money like piggies. It's upper middle class and rich people the ones who save and invest on pyramid schemes.
>>519347579>What's wrong with worse productsI hate you so much
>>519347182>deflation is badthis is your mind on central bank jewconomics
>>519348912Basically this inflation is used to push growth and make the rich richer, its not good for the average person
>>519348796Mao was a retard by product of about 100 years of shitty management of the emperial Chinese government. Failure to adopt superior industrial revolution sourced technology, foreign/colonial erosion of power of the central government and its ability to enforce basic laws, foreign invasion by the japanese. These are quite different circumstances than today where China is speed running the industrial revolutions with an expanding middle class instead of a shrinking one like the US
>>519349068They're speed running collapsing bridges and buildings, Chang
>oy vey, things getting cheaper BAD>inflation, infinite shekel printing, and falling salaries GOOD
>>519347182Good
>>519347833AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>519349176Just 2 more bridged before China total collapse right?
>>519347579Would you buy something now, knowing that in a month it will be 10% less.
>>519347182There's a difference between deflation because the majority of debtors can't pay their installments and deflation due to overproduction. The west is threatened by the former, and china by the latter. The former means collapse, the latter merely a reduction in overproduction.
>>519347579>>519347484Problem is the value of the yuan going up. When value of the yuan goes up, you would be a moron if you would buy or invest on anything right now, better buy tomorrow instead. Every day your saving are gaining in value after all. And when everyone is acting smart and waiting to buy in the future, the economy goes tits up. Nobody is going to buy from your company so everyone gets fired. High deflation in particular is very dangerous because governments have no real means of solving it. They could try and print money to balance it out but that could easily turn back around into inflation or society destroying hyperinflation.
>>519349445They don't even have deflation. They have inflation.https://tradingeconomics.com/china/money-supply-m2
>>519349609Money supply doesn't determine if its deflation or inflation. It shows signs of slowing down economy.>https://tradingeconomics.com/china/currencyCCP is still trying to compensate weak domestic spending by overproduction. Chinks are losing jobs left and right because nobody has the money to buy anything, the domestic economy is coming down even when prices are crashing. High deflation doesn't mean anyone is going to get rich, it means society overall is going backwards.
>>519349762Inflation and deflation only refer to the change in the money supply. It has nothing to do with the foreign exchange.
>>519347182>deflationary spiral>you having more money is bad, goy!Lmao
>>519347579Antisemitic post.
>>519349396Isn’t that a good thing? If i buy a car and i know my next one will be cheaper because the companies want my business… isn’t that a good thing?
>>519349846>Inflation and deflation only refer to the change in the money supply.No it doesn't. Inflation and deflation also refer to the state of the economy, and overall spending habits.>>519349857>Yay more money for me, prices are going down in shops I'm rich muhahaha!>What do you mean company is doing bad? What do you mean I lost my job?
>>519349609Inflation and deflation depend less on the money supply than on the supply and demand for money. When the demand for money grows faster than the supply through printing, you have deflation. However, the chink deflation at the moment is caused more by the fact that they have an overproduction of consumer goods, which leads to price wars. It was probably caused by the fact that the west is consuming less because people in the west have less and less purchasing power.
>>519347182>The chinese economy is in a deflationary death spiral.By which you mean efficient manufacturing has made some products cheaper.
>>519349955No it doesn't. Any old textbook will tell you that before they got jewed.>>519349968Inflation and deflation refers to the change in the money supply.
>>519347579ThisI mean BYD is selling one of their EV cars for fucking 9000€ where I live (including all of the local subsidies, but all companies, including euro ones, include them in their prices too). But for whatever reason that's wrong and I'm not supposed to buy it because reasons and I should instead get overpriced german products instead (which are chinese anyways but germany gets a cut)
>>519349857Americans actually think that companies competing and lowering prices to get market share is a bad thing. This is why I have no confidence American AI like Chatgpt will be able to compete with cheaper Chinese variants like Deepseek and American cars will never win against cheaper Chinese competition. If your business leaders dont know that cheap prices are a crucial selling point then your economy is OVER
>>519347182deflation is good.China can handle deflation better than a democracy because the government does not have to worry about people voting to implement socialism. People lose their savings as banks go bust and the government just shrugs it's shoulders and life goes on and the economy resets.
>>519350016https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/InflationCome back to this thread when you know the basics of economy.
>>519349955But that’s business. For every winner there are two losers. The whole point is that you have to win and if your companies cant compete TOO BADAre you as a consumer ever going to choose the crappier more expensive product? Or are you going to buy from the company with the better vertically integrated, and more efficient supply chain supplier with higher quality control and lower prices?
>>519350020Nobody seems to care here. BYD just started outselling Tesla.Now I'm seeing new brands like JAC on the road. European brands are getting crushed. American trucks are fine but their sedans have vanished.
>>519350016>Inflation and deflation refers to the change in the money supply.From an economic perspective, money is a commodity like anything else. The price of money is determined like any other price: by supply and demand.
>>519350078>genuinely linking the IMFBruh
>>519349955Things that never happened. What a broken slave you are.
>>519350101The supply and demand is based on the rapid change in the money supply kek
>>519350048Historically inflation and deflation was about the amount of money in circulation. Now Americans are reframing inflation as ‘price increases from decreasing competition”. LMAO
>>519350100Yeah. I'm kind of annoyed I won't be able to get it right now because I totally would, and I'm sure it's just matter of time until the EU slaps a fuckton of tariffs to protect germany, bring their prices up to the same as german cars. They were even discussing setting up a minimum price for EV cars for fucks sake. As soon as something nice happens sorry, we you can't have it.
>>519350130lol
>>519350020It's called dumping. Chinks are attempting to crush local markers by selling at a loss.
>>519350167Why should printing money affect the demand for money?
Wow the people on this board are either retarded or bots. None of you shit niggers understand capitalism.>things cheaper.... LE BAD!KYS Zionist shills.
>>519350086>But that’s business. For every winner there are two losers. The whole point is that you have to win and if your companies cant compete TOO BADBut thats why deflation is bad. Because it doesn't matter how much you compete, nobody is going to buy from you. Because everyone rightfully thinks you will lower prices more tomorrow, they will wait until you go bankrupt. Just like tiny bit of inflation, tiny bit of deflation is manageable but high amount of deflation is an issue hard to solve because everyone causing it are doing the smart personal thing. Everyone will save for a future and the infastructure around them comes crashing down.>>519350121>>519350130Two retarded niggers with no grasp on economy. Go back to your banana trees now, adults are talking.
>>519350254He’s saying that when money supply is increased there is more money floating around that can be used to buy stuff so prices go up. This is the historic definition of “inflation”.
>>519349857Deflation absolutely fucks anyone who has taken any kind of loan, which is why it is bad. Inflation can be viewed as a negative interest rate while deflation is cumulative with it. China has quite a lot of debt in its private sector and too much deflation will absolutely destroy the people holding those debts, as in current market conditions most will never be able to pay them off. It’s why we had the free silver movement, in the late 19th century a depression occurred which absolutely wiped out a lot of farmers, as most had to operate on credit and they were hit with a one two punch of lower prices for their crops and owing the bank more money in real terms. A small but consistent rate of inflation, around 2% give or take, is very good for anyone taking out a small business loan or who bought their house with a mortgage, as it means the value owed on their loan is decreasing every time the currency inflates, but said inflation is not occurring fast enough to quickly wipe out savings or massively increase the price of goods.
>>519350231How is that supposed to work? They have to feed their workers, pay for the raw materials, and generate the electricity. You can't sell at a loss without cross-subsidizing. Who is cross-subsidizing the chink economy?
>>519350331Why are you making up fictitious scenarios? People don’t halt all purchases for years hoping for lower prices. An example: since Zara opened in my country i stopped buying clothes at more expensive department stores. The leather jacket i am wearing i got on clearance for $50 (and it’s amazing). The fact Zara outcompetes other brands doesn’t mean i as a consumer am willing to wait for years hoping another vender out competes them. Maybe Finnish people are just turbo Jews but your thinking isn’t adjacent to anyone outside Finland.
>2000: China will collapse any day now>2010: China is about to COLLAPSE>2015: China is in a crisis>2020: Chinese economy on the verge of meltdown>2025: HAPPENING CHINA COLLAPSE
>>519350344No, inflation is the growth of the money supply. A rapid inflation of the money supply will cause a general appreciation of prices.
>>519350344But if you print one new banknote while the economy has demand for two new banknotes, you get deflation.
>>519347182>you cant just have competition where the prices of things go down!OH HOW FUCKING HORRIBLEPRICES AND PROFITS MUST ALWAYS GO UP!!!!REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>519350430This is exactly what i said.
>>519347182Who the fuck keeps making these China economic collapse threads every day?!
>>519350478The definition of inflation has nothing to do with prices
Two more days
>>519350491the US governmentwe spend billions on anti-Chinese propagandaand still nobody cares
>>519350542I said increase in money supply > more money in circulation > higher prices.
It actually is, just really slowlyI went to uni with a many Chinese. Lots of them have completely given up on working in China. The ones who couldnt find a job in Australia have all become NEETs in china because why work every hour of the day to earn practically nothing.They come from families wealthy enough to study abroad, plenty of connections back home, but even as privileged as they are, jobs just don't pay enough money to actually afford anything. And these kids are already the privileged 1%.So theyve all given up
>>519350491
>>519350407They don't sell at a loss. They sell at market price.
>>519350491$1.6 billion to be exact >the US government>we spend billions on anti-Chinese propaganda
>>519350421>People don’t halt all purchases for years hoping for lower prices.>https://tradingeconomics.com/china/currency>" Figures showed the economy slowed for a second straight quarter, expanding at the weakest pace in a year as strong exports partly offset weaker consumer spending and investment. Retail sales growth also moderated and fixed-asset investment posted its first contraction since 2020, underscoring persistent weakness in the property sector."Its happening in China right now. Consumers aren't spending despite prices coming down to a point companies are going bankrupt like in OP's post.
>>519350491>>519350545>H.R.1157 - Countering the PRC Malign Influence Fund Authorization Act of 2023>https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1157/text
>>519350254It affects the demand of goods and services. It affects prices.Fiat currency is not a commodity.
>>519350573Yes that's what happens as a result but be careful when defining things. Keep it simple.
>>519350592What pissed me off is that they are making a video game where the Japanese had conquered America in the 1980s (WTFF)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUQo1y74FwRemember to boycott it when it comes out
>>519347182>producing lots of goy fodder>rich in rare earth minerals>disposable peonsamerica SHOULD fall long before china
>>519350671>Fiat currency is not a commodityLmao. There's probably no point in continuing to talk at this point. Good luck.
>>519348358Aren't small profit margins normal for any industry? Like, laptops for instance. All products go from being super expensive to becoming a commodity-item where profit margin depends on how fast and cheap you can make the item.So, basically this is normal and expected to see prices drop.
>>519347182Next up: China has affordable housing due to the real estate market being focussed on providing roofs over peoples heads instead of "investments" for the elites to flee the inflation they caused. . Anuddah Shoah, oy vey!
>>519350772Ok
If deflation made people stop spending money why don't potential investment gains make people stop spending money? 50% of price deflation is effectively the same as 100% gains on investments. Yet most people still just spend their money immediately. Doesn't make sense.
>>519347833yay more expensive ownership opportunities due to jewish venture-capital bankers
>>519347939>economy is based on price gouging your working populationyou're a fucking retard, mutt economics is just doubling down on stealing from your blue and white collar workersYou're beyond fucked
>>519347579They're ending up with too many houses and every young man can own a house, this is bad because they won't be able to have capital giants like Black Rock Inc to help their government write their policies.
>>519350421He's wrong.t. finn
>>519350780In principle, this applies to all non-protected products or non-monopolies. Competitors push each other's prices down until they can't go any lower, and whoever gets the lowest price wins.
>>519350835Because deflation also makes debt worse, while at the same time any investment right now would result in you getting less and less returns every day. Majority of investments aren't made with money hidden under the mattress for years, its made with debt money.
>WSJ>Bought by Jeff Bezos>NO PEASANTS ITS BAD THAT CHINA STATE ECONOMY IS FORCING ITS COMPANIES TO INVEST THE MONEY INTO TECH>THE TRUE WAY IS TO GIVE MAJORITY OF PROFITS TO THE SHAREHOLDERS
Glowniggers contract japs for cat torture propaganda and then blame it on China
>>519351007Another one of Tojo's specialty.
>>519351029I wonder (((why))) "felineguardians" never mentions japanese cat torture when they can easily be googled in seconds with verified news reports.
>>519347638We're approaching microfactories.With embodied Ai and individual will be able to manufacture their own products in their garage, backyard, or spare room.Soon, 3 to 7 years(?), and we'll be responsible for our own QC.
>>519351048Pajeet shills can only post random screenshots with english text and claim it's Chinese. It's quite obvious they are from japan.
>>519350835>If deflation made people stop spending moneyIn my opinion, this is just a fairy tale to justify monetary expansion. No worker would forgo their celebratory beer because it might be cheaper tomorrow.
>>519350331You're a fuckinf moron advocating for keeping a dysfunctional economic system. China is trending upwards, Europe is stagnating. I don't care what some jew says when observable reality refutes the BS.
>>519351070An anon mentioned calling up one of the supposed Chinese cat torturers and he turned out to be japanese.
>>519350407The chink government subsidizes their exports heavily to crush competition. Once the local competition is dead chinks have a monopoly.
>>519351093Japanese cat torture has become a mainstream phenomenon.
>>519351082>China is trending upwards, Europe is stagnating.lmao keep telling yourself that nigger
>1990>be China>one of the worst countries on earth>only a fraction of the wealth of Russia, another shithole>American establishment has no comments about China, they barely notice its existence>China was half as wealthy as Brazil in 2010>that's literally when the US establishment began pushing "China is collapsing" propaganda>now China is roughly 50% wealthier than Brazil>literally everything improved, China is now a poor European country if not betterIf I were China I'd be terrified of the day when "China is collapsing" posts stop.
>>519351116Several minutes of browsing reveals that japs are behind the cat torture vids.
>>519351133Tojo's tendency to torture living beings has been documented since WW2.
>>519351156Jap authorities do nearly nothing to stop cat torture. They know it is Satoshi's only relief from the daily grind in japan.
>>519350632Two weeks and china will collapse.
>>519347614>Zoomers might not remember this, but this literally used to be the argument in favor of capitalism.It still is. Just not in favor of Jewish capitalism.
>>519350397>Deflation absolutely fucks anyone who has taken any kind of loanAnd inflation fucks everyone. Idk how can people still advocate for it after the past decade. >small but consistent inflation goodNo, theres a reason your grandpa could buy a house on a mailman's salary while you can't.Also, its has been neither consistent or small.
>>519347182Creating inflation artificially is not difficult
>>519351182Vaihda keltamaksa vinosilmä VPNnäs.
>>519351100>The chink government subsidizes their exports heavily to crush competitionAre you for real?Every nation does this now.The ruling class in the West uses the government coffers to subsidize their businesses.
>>519351093you meant this one?
>>519351196Inflation is the only thing a country can do when it's in a lot of debt
>>519351128>being priced out of buying a home is actually a good thing>I'm very smartOk.
>>519351100>The chink government subsidizes their exports heavily to crush competitionThat doesn't make sense. Where do they get the goods to produce below production cost? Can the chink government perform magic? The nips were accused of the same thing back then. But producing more cheaply than competitors doesn't mean producing at a loss. If an entire country's economy were operating at a loss, the country's workers would starve to death.
>>519351055You are for now. The rest of the world isn't retarded.
>>519351247>being priced out of buying a home is actually a good thingChink home prices are coming down, yet chinks are still priced out of buying homes anyway because they lost their jobs. Have a fun deflation!
>>519347579>What's wrong with cheaper products?Companies that invest in bringing products to market, want to recoup that money invested, and make a bit of profit. In markets with “Way Too Much” competition, the market cannot absorb all the products being produced, which then leads to a surplus of goods, and prices constantly getting lower, since the companies that produced the goods are trying to offload product already produced, or to at least stay semi solvent. While offloading of products is initially hood for consumers, who get a better deal, it’s bad for the actual manufacturers, since any return on the money invested to produce the product, results in losing money. These manufacturers then can’t pay their workers, or pay loans or investors back. This then leads to the manufacturers going out if business, and workers being unemployed, and not paid for past work. Consumers who purchased products then are left with unsupported products, with no way to repair since the manufacturer no longer exists yo supply parts, or even any type of product support. Similar issues have routinely happened in the past with agricultural crops, like coffee or chocolate, where undersupply led to over planting, which leads to oversupply, which then leads to low crop prices, which causes farmers to go bankrupt because they cannot pay back loans they took out to plant the crops. I believe it was Brazil that had to implement a system that bought the coffee, and held on to it during low price years, to help stabilize coffee prices. (Nobody did really well under the system, but it prevented depressions caused by the coffee industry go broke occasionally). The USA does similar with milk and grain production, to at least ensure certain crop prices. The same issues can happen with industrial production, and it occasional kills industries, and decent manufacturers.
>>519351238Yeah that one. Thanks for finding it fren
>>519351214Ok vitun vammainen apina. Kaksi viikkoa niin kiina kaatuu aivan varmasti
>>519350919haha, so true
>>519351079>this is just a fairy tale to justify monetary expansionNo, they genuinely believe this. Economists are legit pea brains, Originally, they came up with some "models" of human behaviour to abstract it enough in order to make economic models even feasible. The following generations of economists simply treat those models as if they were accurate descriptions of how humans act instead of crutches , literally all of their neoliberal theories hinge on the worker preferring to drink his beer tomorrow because it might be cheaper. Overreliance on these retards is one of the reaons the West is going to shit while our so called "Elites" are apparently unable to grasp the reasons for that.
>>519351190Interest -ingIntrest -ing
>>519351306>cuckencopenTopic isnt China you seething homo, its deflation vs inflation.
>>519351079Agreed. Most people don't have the impulse control to stop spending.
>>519351348Näytä kätes väri, neekeri.
>>519347579People are lame and want to be employed. Deflation creates unemployment. Demand for goods can completely collapse because people expect things to be cheaper in the future.
>>519347638So how does higher prices on everything constantly increasing in price as time goes on automatically equate to more quality control but prices going down equates to lower quality control?
>>519351372>Topic isnt China>>519347182>"The chinese economy is in a deflationary death spiral."Why do you niggers fail to read basic text? If you don't feel like talking about the topic thread, feel free to fuck off.
>>519351399Näytä sinä naamasi. ookko nää oulusta juokko nää piimää pelekkääkkö poliisia
>>519351306This isn't deflation like the west experienced in 2008. They're simply reducing overproduction of consumer goods. The laid-off workers will find work in other industries, all of which continue to grow strongly.
>>519351395I think it's about the stock market. Everyone will try to short. The entire stock market would experience a cryptocurrency rug pull scenario.
>>519347579Jews make less money.
>>5193471822 more weeks, but It must be admitted that a lot of Western economists and other specialists are predicting China's impending collapse.
>>519347182hello peter the zion nigger lover
>>519351196Inflation isn’t what’s fucked housing prices, it’s globalization leading to darkies massively undercutting white labor, massive private landlords buying up any desirable property as investments, and foreigners looking to park their money outside the jurisdiction of their own government in more or less that order. US house prices have massively outpaced inflation because housing was heavily financialized and made most peoples largest and oftentimes only real investment. Japan has been in a deflationary spiral for decades yet Tokyo still boasts some of the most expensive real estate in the world.
>>519351130False. By 1990 America was already nervous about china. Remember 1989 is when the failed tiananmen colour revolution happened. China’s market reform was in 1987 and by 1989 when tiananmen happened American elites were already in SHEEEEEEEEEIT mode
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>>519351451Näytä jo kätes ryssäneekeri. Ainoastaan neekerit surutta puolustaa neekereiden ja vinosilmien maita.
>>519350543china is literally collapsing right now you fucking seething wumad. Cry more.
>>519349445>When value of the yuan goes up, you would be a moron if you would buy or invest on anything right now, better buy tomorrow instead. Every day your saving are gaining in value after all.Do you not understand how retarded that idea is?>nobody will buy a dishwasher ever again because it'd be better to wait forever for better prices!!!Fucking IDIOT. People will buy stuff because they're human beings who want quality of life, not theoretical libergtardian profit-maxxing.
>>519351440Explain how this >>519351372 is actually a good thing.
>>519351558This
>>519351414What evidence is there of this? Do you have no phone or laptop or shoes or food in your fridge or car because you are waiting for cheaper prices in the future? Is this a “just trust me bro” thing?
>>519351536Niin niin neekeri. Onko nämä ryssät nyt sinun pääsi sisällä vai huoneessa kanssasi?
>>519347182China will have a political crisis in 2030-2035.
>>519347182See you when you make this same thread again in 2 weeks
>>519351611Source: just trust me broChina has the most robust, competent, resilient political system in the world.
>>519351558CHINA JUST COLLAPSED OVER MY HOUSE!!
>>519351674Haikou is considered a poor city in the “collapsing country” of Chinahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRzCZnqVOc
>>519351653Ok Chang
>>519351598>Ungala bugalaPuhu ihmisten kieltä, apina. Sun banaaninsekaisesta sössötyksestä ei saa selvää.>>519351560>https://tradingeconomics.com/china/currency>" Figures showed the economy slowed for a second straight quarter, expanding at the weakest pace in a year as strong exports partly offset weaker consumer spending and investment. Retail sales growth also moderated and fixed-asset investment posted its first contraction since 2020, underscoring persistent weakness in the property sector."Shits already happening in China. High deflation and inflation both slow down economy. What does economy slowing down mean? People buy less stuff. Hyperdeflation and hyperinflation both destroy societies.
>>519351635They are extremely angry that under xi, china began to fight corruption with the death penalty. This made buying influence in china virtually impossible and destroyed all their future plans for a chinese-jewish empire. China thus became to them what germany was under Hitler.
>>519351723Not Chinese. I just think their political system has proven itself. Chinese system: Mandate of Heaven (political legitimacy) comes from economic development, infrastructure, stability, and crime/ gang suppression. The system is considered legitimate if those metrics are trending in a good direction. Western system; based on democracy and moral idealism with no regard for what the downstream consequences are. Rule of law makes it hard to actually deal with organized crime.
>>519348107Deflation is a problem in economic systems that are based on debt as currency. The jew debt schemes depend on monetary debasement to work.
>>519347182QUICKWHAT IS PETER ZION SAYING ABOUT THE SITUATION?
>>519351790joo kaksi viikkoa vielä niin kiina kaatuu. Aivan varmasti se on eu joka kaatuu neekereihinsä.
Doesn’t China’s deflation just mean that they’re doing capitalism better than we are? I dislike the chinks as much as the next guy, but it would be cool if they could provide a counter to the concept that inflation must always happen
>>519351827Implessive
>>519351822obviously. all of these guys on here are literally just seething that china cannot be taken over by israel. its so obvious that this is what the forced anti-china spam is about.
>>519351862>China good>Europe badNäytä kätes neekeri, sä et oo aitoa suomalaista nähnytkään.
>>519351880It is. 100%. Is your government even competent enough to demand loyalty to your nation from government officials? Are your government officials purged if they show ANY disloyalty to the nation of Australia, its culture, its people and show ANY loyalty to foreign nations?
>>519351790:D:D:D:D:D typerä suomalainen lammas.>>519351927Näytä sinä naamasi homonaama
>>519351827The chinks plan in centuries, while the west plans in quarters.
>>519351960only in the west do we think that your government officials hating their own government is a good thing.
>>519351999Näytä kätes neekeri.
>>519352032Not really. The west with Jewish elites have century long plans (mass immigration was a 100 year scheme that predates World War II) But the official “visible” part of our governments only plan in election cycles and will sabotage any progress made by previous party officials
>>519347638Wrong. Inflation rewards shrinkflation and corner-cutting. Deflation ensures competition for real value. There's a reason art deco and peak American culture flourished in a time where deflation was at its most common.
>>519347579they're trying to reframe good as badchina also is barely allowed to compete in the west. our leaders know that shit will hit the ceiling if their cars and products could sell here for the fair price they're selling them for
>>519352077Näytä sinä naamasi. Ei kukaan kaanilla usko sinun väittämää että kiina kaatuu ihan justiinsa.
>>519352089I've already started to see BYD electric busses in public transit here in California. Most Americans have no idea what's coming.
>>519352089I wish Chinese carbon fibre road bikes were sold in Canada and not off fringe Chinese websites. They are selling in china top level carbon frames for $300 USD. BRING THAT TO CANADA PLS
>>519347182in economy with real non inflationary money deflation is normal thing to happen and is a sign of increased productivity and rising quality of life, thats why USA was best country in the world for so long until 1913 when jews corrupted the money
>>519352089are you saying that you don't want a $70,000 F150? >>519352195westniggers are retarded. all of the technology in the world and they still cant figure out how to produce cheap products that are good enough quality. There is no economy for "Beginners". The amerinigger economy just exists for boomers and rich people and everyone else has to buy from China, and the boomers don't want you to have that either.
>>519352081Art Deco was the aesthetic of the roaring 20s. The deflation of the Great Depression meant far fewer people could afford to build in the style which effectively killed it.
>>519352224Agree. Countries that are actually productive and industrious have companies competing to make things cheaper.American oligarchs want to just private label goods abroad and make billions reselling stuff with no effort to do anything of value. They are NOT happy that Chinese are selling things direct to consumer for so cheap that they cna’t just make easy money skimming off the top.A lot of the world’s “economy” outside china basically operate like Ali express drop shippers. They buy in china and resell for higher. They don’t want hyper competitive Chinese firms driving costs down and shipping direct to consumers.
>>519348875>it makes people hesitant to spend money (since they can always get a better deal tomorrow).Only kikes say this is bad. People will eventually spend when they can no longer postpone the purchase. Not spending immediately (saving money) is not a bad thing.
>>519352263Why are you calling yourself a west nigger? Are you a self hating American?
>>519352263And why do you Americans think your 75 year old retired “boomer” relatives care about your economy? They are either broke and living in homeless camps or living a life of leisure going on vacations. My mom did over 70 vacations since retiring. I can tell you she does NOT CARE ABOUT POLITICS OR ECONOMY. I don’t know why ameriniggers like you are so fascinated by their elderly. Do you know i am 38 and work full time? That would be unheard of in America where “boomers” still run the show.
>>519347579Line must go up and for line to go up everything must always get more expensive and cut corners on quality to improve profits.
>>519352391maybe in your capitalist surveillance state shithole
>>519352391Which line? The Chinese companies that are winning the competition are actually driving the prices down. The British and American economies are failing because they think that to make a profit things have to be sold for more. This is actually the OPPOSITE of how basic economics works. In competitive industries you are supposed to provide value by driving prices DOWN. LMAO
>>519347579Never forget the $6000000 lost in the profitcaust
>>519352279Art deco goes beyond that, but in any case, the point is that the dollar was very strong, employment was near-total, productivity was high, and therefore people put their most effort into making great, beautiful things to sell because that was the standard at the time. Also, there was both mild inflation and deflation during the 1920s, comparable to China today.
>We must have a more globalist society!>No, not like that! don't buy global cheap products! You have to buy local!Europeans truly don't see the hypocrisy
>>519352487why don't you go back since it's so awesome in china
>>519352529You must go back pajeet
moar niggers!!!!
>>519348875>>519349396>>519349445>>519351414It has nothing to do with expectations.Orthodox Economics is not seeing the forest for the trees.International Demand has *already* collapsed due to tariffs.The problem is that China was dumping their surplus on the world.Domestic demand is inelastic, thus prices will collapse without exports.What that means is factories will have to shut down because they become unprofitable, jobs are lost, recession.Deflation in and of itself doesn't do anything. Friedman argued the optimal inflation rate is actually negative: money earns the risk-free interest rate.Correlation does not imply causation. Trump's tariffs caused this, not deflation.Deflation is a symptom not the disease.
>>519349445>High deflation is badYour jew nose is showing
>>519352529If i was chinese i would be in shanghai right now doing pig butchering scams, driving a Yangwang u9, having a comfy life etc.
INFLATION BE GOOD OR YOU ARE ANTISEMITIC
>>519347182Aren't competitive markets a capitalism thing? How are chinks doing it while being commies?
>>519347182I sympathize with China because I am into real technocracy and positivism instead of kike social pseudo-sciences telling you that GDP-"basedence"-democracy is our holy trinity.However, Xi should resign just like any predecessor. There should not be any special cases in Chinese state machinery
>>519351790I accept your concession.
>>519352630Expensive beef superpower! AMERICA IS RISINGChina’s lowering cost of living will lead to collapse of the Chinese century!
>>519352630I'm so glad beef is inflating. If it wasn't, everyone would just hoard their beef for speculative purposes and people would stop eating it. Keynesian economics makes perfect sense.
>>519352487I don't make the rules, retarded jews and boomers do.>>519352263Competition in the West is completely dead and buried and the politicians buried it because they took bribes and passed legislation to kill it. All the corporations have been consolidated and are heavily controlled by asset management megacorps like Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street whose sole purpose is to make their investments steadily rise in price.Mass migration and inflation are the latest tools they've used to justify their continued control of the markets. All of the farmers are controlled so they aren't allowed to produce as much as they want or attempt to upset the status quo.
>>519347182>days since vpn trumplet cope thread: 0
>>519352434The Patriot Act and Edward Snowden would like a word.
>>519352637Commie in a Chinese context means non-democratic one party state. It doesn’t mean that they are uninterested in business and commerce. They’re actually more interested in business than western countries. 4chan is really out of date since the Chinese post-Mao market reforms happened in 1987… that’s almost 40 years ago…
>>519347833>takes trumplets 6 weeks with down payment to afford a pizza is the future that they wanted
>>519352663He is just a super retarted finn. He is seeing ruskies/chinks every where.
>>519347833OH VEY NOT THE AFORDABLE HOUSINGwhat they yought gona do? BUY WITHOUT A LOAN ?!!!OGOOGBDGHEDG VEEEEYYYYYwhat next? marry and have kids ?! THIS IS THE END OF CHINA housing losing value is ultimate boomer death
>>519352637China practices an offshoot, Dengism. It's basically allowing capitalism and free markets develop the country or the "productive forces" that are essential for a communist society. Since Marx explicitly stated that communism can only occur in highly developed nations, China needs to develop through capitalist means. Again, capitalism and capitalist development is a prerequisite of socialism prescribed by Marx himself, not something to be avoided like westoid leftists think.
>>519352690https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/23/american-relocated-to-china-monthly-expenses.htmlAn obese negress moved to China to teach english and spends only $75/month on groceries.
>>519347182>Deflationary spiralKikes have been crying about the deflationary boogieman for 1000 years. It is all a lie. Kikes love inflation, because that is how they steal money from others.
>>519347182>too much competitiveness yeah,I knew all along economics was pure pseudoscience. One time I'm supposed to welcome competitiveness and now i'm told it causes deflation.
>>519347182>destroying profitslol like that's a bad thing
>>519352842Why is it that America with immigration of the best tech talent in the world AND a USD reserve currency system where the whole world’s savings is funneled into American stocks making guys like Elon musk among the richest in the world — why does this not lead to competitive American firms?
>>519352505It’s fine if it’s bouncing back and forth, but the early depression saw something like a 20% total deflation by 1933, and that really killed quite a lot of the finer things of the 20s. A lot of the artistry went away and never truly came back, things became much more economical and with a larger focus on mass manufacturability. The 50s through 70s saw some attempts at moving away from that trend towards austerity but then stagflation and the oil crisis put the final nail in that coffin. Slight inflation is ideal, slight inflation is manageable, large inflation is very bad, but deflation at comparable rates to our recent inflation kills economies as bad as sustained hyper inflation. It’s a very real concern given the collapse in birth rates worldwide but especially in developed countries. Demand isn’t being created at the rates economies need, which stifles opportunity for the young, leading to fewer children repeating the cycle. But nobody has actually shown they’re able to fix this problem
>>519352954Highly believable. China has 2 billion people and so much housing stock that they have ghost cities and low apartment rental prices. Canada has 40 million people and a 3.5 million dwelling deficit (and in my opinion the deficit is understated)
>>519352813Democrats are exponentially more authoritarian and have done just as much to create the current climate as Republicans have. Claiming that the Democrats are pro-competition is laughable. They want everyone to be slaves.
>>519347579It is the goal of ever rational company to make things better and cheaper for the customers, in order to capture more market share. The kikes, leftists and affirmative action subhumans in the "west" know nothing about business or economics, so they constantly lie and sabotage businesses in western countries. Don't worry, the useless meritless affirmative action subhumans in the USA are magically going to compete, while also knowing nothing. The west is a fucking joke and a failure.
>>519347833The line goes down? Aieee! Make it stop!
>>519353072
>>519352842China literally sucks at making cars.If they were any good, they would have totally killed Japan by now.What has actually happened, is China has little oil as a natural resource. So in order to avoid having to import oil, they went all in on EVs. They can't make ICE, they've tried.Even if Japanese/American/German cars are 2-3x the price, they are still a better value proposition than EVs.The problem is, it's a lemons problem. People will buy the cheap thing even if it sucks.
>>519353201The market cap is entirely because of the USD reserve currency system. If they cant take tech talent AND investment dollars from the entire world like some sort of giant economic vampire squid — if they can’t take all of that and make competitive companies then America is DONE
>>519352954>>519353123If she is not living in Shanghai, 75 dollars seems reasonable
>>519347182>China is suffering from successWe should be more like them. But we can't because whitoids slurp and gobble too much Jew cock. It would be best if whites were genocided so we can have real prosperity.
>>519353167At least you have Republicans like Trump who know all about the business
>chinaman >chinaman >eats whatever a dirty rat can >builds a bridge any size >falls to bits hundreds die >look out >here comes the chinaman
>>519348875>is a problem because it makes people hesitant to spend money (since they can always get a better deal tomorrow).doesnt that support your global warming theory? less spending less production less co2, sounds good to me, we dont need fake progress that pollute planet and require cheap immigrant workers
>>519347833
>>519353201I always thought that one vector of hyper inflation is where you can take unlimited money and you can’t create competitive companies. America creates money and blasts it around the world and then it comes back into the American stock market creating trillion dollar companies but with trillion dollar market caps they STILL cant make competitive products. People always talk about hyper inflation as the period where money is so worthless it cant buy goods but what about the other kind of hyper inflation where unlimited money cant create competitive companies? There should be a word for this
>>519347579Quality of life (which cannot be met in the future) goes up.
>>519353268Who is we?
>>519347182>less than a yearSo approximately 2 more months
>>519353302Americans live worse. You guys are in homeless camps dying of fentanyl while Chinese workers in top tech firms funnel intellectual property back to china and live lavish lives of luxury.
>>519353391China does have bad inequality
>>519347182I've been seeing "China to collapse today/tomorrow!" Threads every single day for years and years. If Russia and/or China invaded my country right now I would welcome them as liberators with open arms.
>>519348358Arent you guys on the hook for UBS and credit suisse bags?Why are you trying to talk economics kek
>>519347182>competition is bad>what is capitalismOh jew.
>>519351007>>519351029>>519351048>>519351070Japanese are subhumans.That flayed live frog at a restaurant that was blamed on China is Japanese as well. Sick fucks.
>>519353349I don't get any of that but that pic shows it's some kind of a fake bubble depending on grifting and advertising so people buy stocks of a meme company that produces no value except some meme cars, just enough to advertise them
>>519347182Was the number of weeks required for this terrible event to unfold specified?
>>519347726What is the value of hiring a 50 year old guy to post on twitter >Wowweee>bam!>big money! >my president is silly!>more news soon!?Like you could write a bot and run it for pennies. Coulda done it back in 1990
>>519353423Same in Australia. For every Chinese-Australian buying Hermes birkin bags there are 10 white and aboriginal and black Australians blowing their life savings on meth (supplied by your Chinese friends) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmn-1UtkC8&pp=ygUQTWVsIGluIG1lbGJvdXJuZQ%3D%3D
>>519353529Well at least you're delusional and made your every response in this thread, moot.
>>519353302American companies are run by useless meritless leftists and affirmative action subhumans. How can some useless cunt or nigger or spic or LGBTQ+ subhuman with a degree in sociology be competitive at anything.KYS scumbag... just fucking kill yourself. The USA is finished, so just kill yourself
>>519353439I read a zerohedge article in 2018 about Chinas economy collapsing. Just because of that article I haven't read another zerohedge article in five years.
>>519347833Deflation is gaining value, inflation is losing value, retard. This is the most basic economic understanding and you have absolutely no clue what I’m talking about, or your a kike, and your just muddying the water.
>>519353315Trump is a con artist, just a bullshit flimflam loud mouth for kikes.
>>519353567Then how do they live better lives? Yes rich people live better lives than mosy of us. That proves nothing.
>>5193471822 More weeks
two more weeks
>>519353493People buy American stocks because the whole USD hegemony world order is the whole world let’s America print money and exchange it for stuff and in exchange the world can put their USD back into the American stock market for easy gains. That means:US gets to print money for stuff (it boggles my mind why the world accepts this)And US gets global investment dollars flowing back into the American stock market creating almost unlimited capital for their American companies to expand and improve techThe world gets:Access to USD Access to the American stock market for easy investment gains. The whole reason the world talks about buying USD index funds is because of the US dollar dominance system. My point is that even with unlimited money flowing from the entire world into American stocks (like tesla) they still cant make competitive companies that provide better value than Chinese companies.How long will the US dollar hegemony game last when global investment dollars flow to American stocks but American firms cant create competitive companies? Then you end up with absurd situations where you have trillion dollar American companies that aren’t even industry leaders. WHAT????
>Western jewish cattle when it's workers racing to the bottom to the benefit of the corporations>:))))))))))))))) >Western jewish cattle when it's corporations racing to the bottom to the benefit of the consumer>:(((((((((((((((
turn on the chinese money printer right now!
>>519352630The cows generate more GDP now. The farmer is richer, the country is richer, everyone wins.
>>519354117The Chinese money printer has been on for decades and they actually have high debt building out the best infrastructure in the world! Despite that Chinese firms are more competitive than ever
>>519353820america can acquire the best talent only because of the premium USD commands over every other currency. This is why openai can pay $1m pa for some random dev. however, this can really only be concentrated in a narrow manner, which is why china can dominate across a lot of fields, whereas america can really only brain drain towards genAI
>>519354414Historically America was dominant among all fields but America today as homeless camps and favelas+ Wall Street + Silicon Valley simply isn’t enough to compete with a sober, large, educated, highly populated country like china. And OpenAI is crippled by the fundamental dysfunction in America since OpenAI requires power plants and since US government doesnt care about infrastructure and is too incompetent to upgrade their electrical grid, OpenAI is permanently crippled. As i said: America can print unlimited money but cant create competitive companies. America can print unlimited money but cant build infrastructures. I mean, isn’t that the final stage of dollar hegemony?
>>519347579Boomer pensions are paid for with inflation. Their assets like 401k, house and even boomer rocks are tied to perpetual inflation. Deflation means Boomers can't retire.
>>519347764Competition is antithetical to capitalism. Eventually someone wins the competition
>>519348395>climate targets>why are they targets>"(((experts say)))"
>>519354610That’s downstream from dollar dominance. Your whole post Breton woods system is about printing money and flinging it around the world and forcing every other country to pretend that it’s a reserve asset like gold.That bretton woods II structural money printing has nothing to do with Chinese firms creating cheap high quality products and out competing American firms.
>>519354331i have minimal knowledge on Chinese finance but are you implying that China has no liquidity problem and it's just an issue of fierce competition driving prices down?
>>519347182Imagine getting to bang Chinese women on the cheap.
>>519348029I remember when you everything was made in japan, all your electronics, all your little gadgets, then it shifted starting around 2000's to China. They made all the cheap gadgets and now everything is made in China. Hope they skip the everything is made in India phase.
>>519354850That’s exactly what i am saying.
>>519354914China joined the WTO in 2001 and that’s basically when the rocket took off.
>>519354914>Hope they skip the everything is made in India phaseThat's when the plague of the third millenium will hit.
>>519349445If I was chairman Xi, I would only splurge my ching chong yellow seed inside a big boba tianamen angel like her.
>>519353315kek, I'd put "promote relentlessly" under Trump/USA as well, but otherwise this is exactly it
>>519355064India is a stillbirth nation like Russia and Canada and Mexico and will never develop because the rot and dysfunction is too entrenched.
>>519347182I mean China has some economic issues but the West is facing full on racewar and social disintegration so who’s worse off?At least China doesn’t have infinity jeets/niggers/Zuttbois
>>519347579It’s mostly a good thing. It’s better than our rent-seeking system.
>>519355063At the time there were basically two American camps on that issue1) it was China being exploited and how the whole deal only served to create 1 billion Nike shoe producing slaves to the White man2) it was China stealing our jerbs and rigging their economy and America needs to go full autarky while remaining a massive consumer stateBoth were wrong
>>519347182>brutal rat raceCompetion is bad for you now?
>>519355152My opinion as well. And even the “alternative” competitors to china and the west like Russia are also deeply dysfunctional. Read Dugin’s fourth political theory because if you do you will realize China has NO competitors in the next century because Anglo America, India, Europe, and Russia are all mired in incompetency and dysfunction.
>>519354607they are doing everything they can to push global adoption of USD stablecoins, as well as sack the EUR in favor of more global trade settled in USD
>>5193552501. Ignored the fact that Chinese shoe factories with skilled textile workers, textile manufacture, and financing can pump out counterfeit goods AND pump the world full of their own branded goods. Westerners were self flagellating about Chinese factory workers who were basically tooling up to blast the entire galaxy with counterfeit goods And now 25 years later their own branded goods.
>>519353228You fucking dishonest kike. The only reason we don't see Chinese EVs is because they're banned in muttmerica. They're superior to your Mexican-made muttmobiles in every way.
>>519347833god i wish that was me
Deus Ex, as always, predicted the Chinese century correctly
>>519355292The stable coins thing is a funny gambit. When people used to talk about bitcoin I would say “bitcoin is a fictitious digital token backed by nothing” and American elites who need the world to keep buying treasuries thought… … hmmm lets back crypto with treasuries. LMAOI’m honestly interested in seeing how this turns out. Can america decentralize treasury buying by selling treasury backed stable coins to Venezuelans and turks? I think there wont be enough liquidity to make up for nation state/ central bank level treasury dumping but i am interested in seeing how it plays out.
>>519355115Good point
>>519347579Trump says no
>>519355280I think if “the west” ever wants to compete with china it needs a major restructuring which will take decades honestly.Biggest advantage China has is it’s cheap electricity due to decades of heavy investment in building out/modernizing it’s grid.Compare that to Europe which has been mired in political issues with it’s electrical systems, or the USA which has basically neglected it’s grid since the 70’sInnovation doesn’t matter when you have a hard bottleneck of electricity, and this is not a new issue either.
>>519355916Electricity is not our bottleneck, it's predatory speculative capitalism and a massive bloated public sector, both of which are perpetually dominated by boomers with rental property and pensions
>>519355449life is literally that simple bros, owning a property or starting a small business is basically impossible here, its fucking depressing, im giving myself one more year here until i open a bar in Argentina or something.
>>519355916I see no evidence that either Europe or America have anything to show for their sovereign debt. People will wail about Chinese sovereign debt and debt to GDP but they have great infrastructure AND infrastructure built along the belt and road. Americans and Canadians and Europeans are going into debt for welfare payments for refugees, embezzling and military industrial complex procurement scams. What do Europe and America have to show for their debt?America has a government shutdown right now because they are dealing with their sovereign debt crisis and what do they have to show for their debt?
>>519356052Milei is a Jewish puppet pushing anti-Semitism laws and has done nothing substantial to end that nation's downward spiral.
>>519356039This is just a symptom of rotElectricity is not the core issue but it’s the key strategic and material one.Even if all socio-political issues were resolved, catching up materially would take 20 years minimum.Is that bad? I say no, 20 years of hard national rebuilding would make everyone better off and make the country far stronger, plus the nation is not collapsed yet or anything so it’s still strong enough to endure that time.Just waiting longer makes it harder and hastens total breakdown.
>>519356039Yeah, America is being weighted down because people born 80 years ago are retired. LMAO. Why is it that your government is shut down and dealing with your sovereign debt crisis yet you have nothing to show for it? If you are a superpower shouldn’t you have world leading infrastructure?
>>51935613475 percent of the land mass of America is a giant favela where contractors cant even park their trucks without it getting stolen. Good luck building power plants.
>>519356105It’s true, people laugh at ghost cities and tofu dreg, but America has Tofu Dreg as well EXCEPT it costs 7 figures lolI don’t think using debt to invest in the structure of the nation is a bad thing because it pays off long term.But long termism is dead in the West.
>>519356159>Yeah, America is being weighted down because people born 80 years ago are retired. LMAO.In California, retired school teachers collect over $100k/yr in pensions. They make up about 0.1% of the population but consume 10% of all state tax revenue. 25% of all medical spending goes to the final 48 hours of life in boomers. America has 100x the social workers that China does, and accomplishes far less than it.
>>519356108yeah but its cheaper and whiter than this shit hole and its easier for me to get a visa there than the US for example. places like Portugal and Japan have similar easy ways of entry but Lisbon is full or retarded niggers and pakis now and im too retarded to learn Japanese.
>>519356223All normal countries know that having good infrastructure: ports, power plants, water treatment, bridges, even state banks, are crucial for running an advanced economy. America’s finance elite thinks that they can run a world leading country by basically just operating like glorified Ali express dropshippers
>>519356370Based then, sounds like you've got a plan at least, hope it works out for you
>>519356257Why don’t Americans have pension funds that basically reinvest their capital over the working life of the people paying into them?
>>519356403ty king, all poltards will be able to drink for free at my Buenos Ares bunker bar.
>>519356468Because it means the government can collect a lot more interest on it, and it defeats the will of the individual who may want to put that money in their own immediate plans
>>519356382Canada has similar issues, but I’d argue the biggest problem is retarded NIMBYism and the toxic investment market.I remember a gas plant being built in Ontario that was nearly finished before being shut down because retard boomers wanted windmills instead.
>>519350407the government keeps the value of the yuan artificially low so their export prices are competitive and cost of living is cheap. this only works because the rest of the world agrees to it. everyone that wants a car in china can have one yet china is still producing cars no one is buying so instead of taking up space they thought they could unload cheap evs on the west at a loss which in the long run china can recuperate, but also harms domestic vehicle production in the country china exports too. what china is doing is considered to be a hostile act. if china doesn't successfully make the jump to a consumer market they are done
>>519356903>when China operates its printing presses of its own currency to buy things that's hostile and artificial>it's ok when the USA does it tho
>>519347532This. We won't collampse. We have invested in the control structure of the West - all major movie theaters, media companies, lefty news channels like cnn, corporate databases, and even tiktok will just be traded from bytedance to skydance hahahaha.
>>519350407China has a lot of State Owned Banks and Businesses, so it's pretty easy for the government to have them give favorable loans from the public's savings or sell at lower prices to industries they want to succeed.
>>519357498Show your flag. And media companies aren’t enough if you cant build infrastructure or companies that sell things competitively.
