its not good for Russia's interests for Westerners to see Russia as a continued threat, so its better for Russia to reach a ceasefire with Ukraine so that Westerners will forget that Russia is a threat
>>519367587Putin: sorry too busy owning you Reddit faghots in pork roast to read your faggy cope
>>519367587You are not smarter than Vladimir Putin. Once you've accepted this, then we can continue.
>>519367841he invaded a country illegally, pretty much everyone is smarter than putin
ceasefire means that they'll topple his vatnik ass just like in syria.
>>519367587Putin is doing nothing wrong.And this is what his enemies hate the most.
Responding to memeflags Tut tut
>>519367587>offer several times throughout the war your grounds for a ceasefire>other party says full withdrawal and returning of land while offering literally nothing in return>it's your faultTo the last Ukrainian isn't a viable negotiating position.Also there's no fucking way in hell the west will forget Russia is a threat, everyone in our government was raised with Russians being the bad guy from schooling to media consumption.This isn't even touching on the fact the butthurt belt seethes uncontrollably and attempts to escalate minor transgressions into conflict despite having pitifully small armies because they expect western Europe to die en masse for them.
>>519368006This he should have done a legal invasion then no one could complain.
>>519368326>>offer several times throughout the war your grounds for a ceasefire>>other party says full withdrawal and returning of land while offering literally nothing in return>>it's your faultfunny how accurately this describes russia's "negotiating"
>>519367587>its not good for Russia's interests for Westerners to see Russia as a continued threatThe West has looked at Russia as a continued threat since the fall of the wall and before that due to Western propaganda. Politicians in the US and EU has wanted the population to be against Russia. It don't matter what Russia does when Europe has decided to be against them regardless
>>519368809Russia already has the land it originally wanted and is currently winning though.It's at a snails pace but almost every victory of the last 2 years has been by Russia, ergo they have more bargaining chips than the party demanding unilateral retreat and returning of occupied territory.This entire war is retarded but inevitably Ukraine will run out of resources before Russia runs out of swampfolk and cardboard caskets.
>>519368006>illegal invasionWhat's a legal invasion? Fucking moron
>>519369186declaration of war and whatnot
>>519368918well there are many nationalists in the West who are Euroscepticists and who support white unity and end of conflict with Russia
>>519367587Hes stuck in a sunk cost fallacy that has no end.
>>519369180>and is currently winning thoughtwo more weeks... and kyiv falls>victory of the last 2 years has been by Russiatwo more years... and kyiv falls>This entire war is retarded but inevitably Ukraine will run out of resources before Russia runs out of swampfolk and cardboard caskets.for ukraine to run out of resources, the west would have to stop supporting them. Russia will run out of resources much faster than the west. In fact, they already have. Russia depends entirely on China and Ukraine depends entirely on the west.
>>519367797its not a pro-ukraine stance
>>519368094too bad for Russia's interests then
>>519369606>for ukraine to run out of resources, the west would have to stop supporting them.The west's production of equipment and munitions is a fraction of Russia's while also being significantly more expensive to produce. If any conflict occurs elsewhere Ukraine is being sent to the wolves. Bullets and bomb manufacturing aside Ukraine has considerably less men they can field than Russia, even if you pretend that 1-14 report is real inevitably Ukraine will run out of people which is expressly WHY they're losing land.I cite october 7th where all aid to Ukraine was paused and redirected towards Israel for a time because they didn't have enough supplies to split evenly.>Russia will run out of resources much faster than the west. In fact, they already have.If you produce 10x the ordinance of your enemy, they win.Make no mistake, Russia's performance in this conflict is hilariously inept but Ukraine hasn't been winning anything more than small skirmishes for a year straight now.
>>519370399Why exactly is Russia attacking on fucking bikes and scooters imported from China and using nork shells
>>519370505The same reason why they're winning the war despite only being issued shovels and told to charge through machine gun emplacements.Propaganda is a tool like any other, and it only takes one subhuman doing something retarded to get posted online.Ask yourself WHY Ukraine can't retake any land and is losing a conflict against a non-serious threat like that.
>>519367587> starts war because west doesnt see you as a threat anymore> prove them rightits better for Russia to reach a ceasefire with Ukraine so that Westerners will forget that Russia is a threat
>>519371102what is it in Russia's interests for the West to see them as a threat?
>>519370905Isn't Russia supposed to be a nuclear superpower?How come they're running out of gas and have a set interest rate of 20%They've taken absolutely 0 land in the last year and own less land than in 2022
>>519371462>state they're a joke>YEAH WELL HOW COME THEY'RE A JOKE?Braindead.In a war of attrition the country with less people wins by default even though every conflict is a Russian victory.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
You know what would have been even better? To not attack.
>>519369186When the US does it
m hm, yes yes
>>519371288If we dont see them as a threat we will invade them or some shit. They are retarded basically.
What does he have to gain? He's a dictator that utilizes war to get a new generation of hardened veterans and officers, keep the population low and distracted, and when he absorbs large swathes of Ukrainian territory he'll have access to farmland and port cities vital to developing the nation and military. If he stops now he'll just be isolated without any of his goals. The US could have sent units to the Ukraine, drafted stipulations for not passing the eastern corridor like a defensive war, and coerced Ukraine to concede Crimea to Russia. This would have been a major damage control tactics, but the only viable one that would have stopped Putin in his tracks if they were serious about it. But they're not, it's too late, Russia will likely move right up to the Dnieper River and just take the entire eastern half of Ukraine.
>>519367587i love vlad for his big black cock
>>519367587Vodka niggers will be niggers. They act like the tough guy, until they finally get a fight, but then they get their shit pushed in.
>>519369509What the fuck are you talking about?
>>519367587He is a Jew!https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJablGMg3
>>519372161Keeping hold of a colossal amount of land full of hostile people is easier said than done. It'll quickly turn into an Afghanistan style situation.
>>519371992Funny how potato faggot thinks he is a tough guy.
>>519367587>Blownup all of Russia's military age men>Russian waifus for everyone100000 IQ
>>519368006He should have gotten a license for legal invasions then. Stupid Russki!
>>519367587No seasefire , faggot. Every time you, hohols, are starting to lose a war you start crying that you need seasefire, then you buy more weapons and don't agree to anything. Nobody is buying your crap this time around. Ukraine won't exist.
>>519371288>what is it in Russia's interests for the West to see them as a threat?Every 50 years the west runs out of resources, goes full retard and starts yet another war with Russia. In the last 200 years west started 4-5 wars with Russia. If not 7-8. I think Russia knows the west is a constant military threat to them.>>519372076Here you g retarded british glownigger confirms that they keep invading Russia.
>>519372637tougher than some
>>519367587>Westerners will forget that Russia is a threatgood one, only 2 more weeks and and back to business ackkk usual.They are now breeding a whole generation that hates the West.
>>519372461>it's a hohol jew!
>>519371462Does lying on the internet give you faggots erections?
>>519368006it was legalhe was intervening to stop ethnic cleansing
>>519373028this statement is factually correct and empirically verifiable lets not forget, that there was a whole whopping crusade against eastern orthodox in Novgorod just b/c catholic crusades are “fun”
>>519367587>continued threatevery day that passed after the initial 2 weeks shows the opposite. how could any country feel threatened if russia can't capture ukraine in 3 years?
>>519371462Keep lying faggots, just like you keep lying when russian submarine surfaced near French coast, all of you Nafo faggots immediately pooped your pants , and had to come up with yet more lies that apparently it was broken for the dumb NPC population . You nafo troons produce hilarious lies.
>>519372556Afghanistan: a landlocked, tribal, mountainous nation, full of people completely unrelated to Americans, on a different continent Ukraine: used to be part of the USSRHe'll absorb them, it'll be messy and take decades, but he'll do it
>>519368326>a bunch of niggers invade your living room>faggots on the internet claim you’re being unreasonable for not just letting them live there before they also take over your kitchen
Ceasefire = Ukraine gets to regroup, kidnap another half a million male pensioners and is rearmed. Why would russia do that?
>>519373244the ukranda is an ISIS tier nuisance supplied with wectern MIC and financial sector and shall be dealt with as suchat this point hohols can either chose to be docile and neutral (as was offered at Istanbul talks in March 2022) or dwindle to nothing in terms of manpower and be docile and neutral out of circumstances when Putin says, that we are open to resolve the SMOs underlying issues either thorough diplomacy or war - he means exactly that
>>519367587>a ceasefireThere will be one. That only one thing that Trump wants, that main Pidar will give him a ceasefire.In ~2027 there will be ~2 months ceasefire to please redhead.
>>519373334>He'll absorb them, it'll be messy and take decades, but he'll do ithes 73 years old.
>>519373535>There will be onenope, we don’t need one, but you dobuckle up, your duty has not ended just yet
>>519373609Can you even read the whole post, moron?
>>519373334>it'll be messy and take decadesThat's optimistic. After what's been done to them, the Ukrainian population will hate Russia for many, many years, and it only takes a relatively small number of pissed off people to turn an occupation into an expensive disaster.
>>519373656I did
putin has the biggest dick in all geopoliticsin fact i hear his dick is supersonicof course if his dick is super sonici wouldn't really hear it because his dick is fast. anywaysputins penis is the best penis
>please capitulate and let us destroy you so we don't see you as a threatnah
>>519373680>the Ukrainian population will hate Russiawe’re long past the point of factoring that stuff in, now hohols get to do what they are told or
>>519367587Putin is a jew, his job (and zelenskyjew job) is to remove blond men with fake wars
>>519367587sunk cost fallacy
>>519369459Well Ukraine havent declared war on Russia therefore they are defending illegaly.
>>519368094This.Only thing Putin cares about.
>>519373790>hoholsI always wondered:Doesn't that term mostly apply to the "ethnic Russians" living in the Donbas?
>>519373790>now hohols get to do what they are toldAnd how's that going so far, several years into what was supposed to be a 3 day military operation?
>>519367587>Russia's interestsThat's the fundamental problem, tho. Only a nation's SYSTEMS can ever be relied upon to "pursue the nation's interests".When the systems are a sham to enforce rule-by-decree, everything serves the interests of the king, not the nation.And when it becomes impossible for the interests of the king to be successfully served and completed in reality, because he wants something stupid and impossible, you get shit like the Ukraine war.The solution has always been for Russia to kill its dictator and serve their own interests RATHER THAN his.
>>519370399>The west's production of equipment and munitions is a fraction of Russia'sbecause there's no open conflict going on, and Russia is in war economy state while the west is still in peace time economy worrying about inflation and foreign investments. This can change literally overnight with how much money Germany and France alone have and can invest into their military industrial complex>I cite october 7th where all aid to Ukraine was paused and redirected towards Israel for a time because they didn't have enough supplies to split evenly.this only concerns the US, not the entire rest of NATO. Germans for example completely stopped supplying Israel with munitions>If you produce 10x the ordinance of your enemy, they win.If you take a loan from the chinese devil to produce 10x the ordinance of your enemy, you lose your indepedence and become a vassal state. But we're obviously memoryholing that fact and saying shit like>Ukraine will run out of people which is expressly WHY they're losing land.when they've lost like 0.2% of their land for a year, and that land is a flattened grass field, and it was gained with the cost of 500k casualties>Russia's performance in this conflict is hilariously inept but Ukraine hasn't been winning anythingthey have been winning their independence and civilian lives, and they continue to do so with every passing day of the 2-day special military operation
>>519373065No, Ukraine should have invaded his dumb ass, instead of that side show in Russia. Ukraine has ever right to take Belarus due to their invasion of Ukraine.
>>519374125>The solution has always been for Russia to kill its dictator and serve their own interestsWhen has that ever happened in Russia's entire history?AFAIK all they ever managed was to replace one dictator with the next dictator.There is a reason the words "Slav" and "Slave" share the same origin.
>>519374404>Go start another war while in the middle of this one. Till the last hohol!Yep. Seems american to me.
>>519373028>Every 50 years the west runs out of resources, goes full retard and starts yet another war with Russia.no, you're very confused. Every 50 years Russia is on the brink of economic collapse and has to militarize and start a new neighbor conflict to distract its poopulation.>In the last 200 years west started 4-5 wars with Russia.In the last 200 years Russia invaded its neighbors at every step of the way because of aforementioned economic reasons. Literally the only western country that *wanted* a war with Russia in the past 500 years was the Napoleonic France, and they lost that war. Each next war was a war of russian aggression. Yes, including barbarossa. And even that war was barely won, only exclusively because of american lend lease muntions. Without americans in ww2 the soviet union would collapse and balkanize
>>519374574Belarus is a joke. And it would be a quick takedown. It is also close to Moscow. Russian Army retards would need to redeploy, which would make their Ukraine front weak.
>>519374030hit and miss>>519374076BoJo told them to dwindle - and so they do >>519373502>>519374404well then, off they go!>crickets
>>519367587>moron for not reaching a ceasefire
>>519374718Ukraine is lead by corrupt retards. Zelensky is a total fuck-up and clown. He did not listen the USA's warning, so he almost lost the whole country. What a retard.
>>519373174the kremlin already openly admitted that the bombass bamberoni were larping little green men (russian soldiers without insignia)who is this for
>>519367587Westerners are impotent cuckolds, they spent hundreds of billions on arming cuckraine and sent so much military hardware to the piggers that they ran out of surplus and still couldn't outproduce Russia.
>>519374806now you’re getting the hang of it >Vicky Nuland laughs in the background
>>519374895link?
>>519367587Nice flag, (((anon))).The only morons are the people that looked at what was going on in the Ukraine and sided with the nazis who had a Jewish leader set up by the CIA. How fucking stupid can you be?Picrel is now 20 years ahead of schedule and accelerating.
>>519374527>When has that ever happened in Russia's entire history?There was a time when you could have said the same about literally any western country as they threw off their kings.I suppose the deeper problem with Russia is that contrary to all evidence, they never think anything can improve, they think everyone else's improvements are all mistakes or weakness, and then they only adopt those improvements a century later once its biting them badly.Their next late innovation will need to be giving up on imperialism, cuz we're not putting up with it anymore.
>>519374703And now some words from our HoI4 generals:
>>519374319I don't really have the time to touch on everything you've said so I just want to focus on one part for edification; assume you won the rest of what was posted.>because there's no open conflict going on...This can change literally overnight with how much money Germany and France alone have and can invest into their military industrial complexNo, it can't.You can't just snap your fingers and re-industrialize your nation much less for specialized manufacturing like explosives and ammunition, they quite literally do not have the machines anymore and the manufacturing process takes extensive training; the machinery isn't something you just whip up in an instant. If that was the case they would've done it after years of Russian aggression instead of paying a premium.This also completely ignores the reason why everything is the way it is, is from the MIC intentionally gimping nations production capabilities so you have to pay thousands of dollars for an artillery shell where as Russia who still has all the factories and machinery from WW2+ able to make more for only hundreds of dollars per.
>>519373561And if you're too believe that leaked audio of him and Xi talking shit, 70% of his body is 'new'.Is anyone has a vested interest in living a long time, it's the guy preventing the balkanization of Russia.
>>519367587you are one of the following:- Russian shill- AI- Westerner not getting Russian vibes at all
>>519374995>There was a time when you could have said the same about literally any western country as they threw off their kings.Not people like the Frisians or the Cossacks, who might have village leaders but no overarching King.
>>519374125well I'm still referring to whatever is good for Russia's imperialist expansion
>>519373206If we wanted russia we would just take it. We dont want your shithole or the miserable cunts that live there.
>>519375394That doesn't matter.What matters is that you don't get a more successful government by just "having the right leader", but by having the right SYSTEM.Obviously centralizing power can "work", but in competition with better systems, the fact that you're having to coerce every single person every fucking second just makes it all unwinnable.>>519375158And what I'm talking about matters more than what you're talking about.We've enabled Ukraine very very easily, and Russia has been helpless because its a soulless horde of slaves.
>putin refuses>see he doesnt want ceasefire he is the warmongerwell played shitty optics are just what putin needs right now
>>519367587I don't care about Russia or Ukraine, could you stay in your containment generals?
>>519375528Russia's imperial expansion is what has brought about its ruin.You can NEVER hold what you steal forever. These crimes have just made all of Russia's neighbors hate it intensely.And even if you go "full-measure" and just GENOCIDE the people you steal from, that just drives up the remaining neighbors to even higher alert.Russia's current situation was ALWAYS THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION of its shitty imperialism.Every possible road, success or failure, leads to the same isolation, universal hatred, and death.
>>519375644I believe independent people will always end up with systems that give them a high degree of independence.And submissive people will always end up with authoritarian systems.And I believe it's genetics so it can't be changed.
>>519375158>You can't just snap your fingers and re-industrialize your nation much less for specialized manufacturing like explosives and ammunitionanon, explosives and ammunition were figured out over a century ago. It isn't difficult to build a factory. Unironically not rocket science>the machinery isn't something you just whip up in an instant. If that was the case they would've done it after years of Russian aggression instead of paying a premium.The west entirely ignored Russian aggression until 2022. The west wanted to trade with Russia and get their cheap gas. The west has since stopped this and very reluctantly started investing into their militaries. Once the regular people's lives stop revolving around their work and rent cost, and starts revolving around bullets and rockets flying over their houses, that's when you'll see public support and lightning fast militarizing effort across the board>This also completely ignores the reason why everything is the way it is, is from the MIC intentionally gimping nations production capabilities so you have to pay thousands of dollars for an artillery shell where as Russia who still has all the factories and machinery from WW2+ able to make more for only hundreds of dollars per.again, this is very much the pre-2022 mentality where everyone believed vatniggers can be reasoned with. Now that everyone knows vatniggers can't be reasoned with, ammunition factories are popping up everywhere.Not to mention Sweden and Finland joining the fray with their own military industrial complexes
Lmao I made the VPN Ivans mad that their shit hole can't even take a city 50 miles from their border after 4 years
>>519375565>If we wanted russia we would just take itcome and take it thenno coulds, woulds, shoulds and all the ifs and buts
>>519375900The nature of the systems we build is that they always have us echew our natural impulses for something that is logically better.Whether that's a grand system for the management of a whole society or the older, more romanticized systems like chivalry and bushido.The entire point of the endevor is that humans can improve from their base animal state.And honestly, even if a group was submissive and their system authoritarian, as long as power isn't consolidated and the system is enabled to work for ACTUAL collective benefit, that society will grow stronger and the impulse for more freedom will manifest naturally as it has with everyone.
>>519375895the ultimate goal is to do what no nation has ever accomplished and dominate all of Europeeven the Romans failed to dominate the Germanics and the Slavic Veneti
>>519376265Even if you wanted to define that as the goal, conquest as utterly failed as a method. That form of the game simply can't be won.Nothing excuses Russia's brutality. Its not JUST evil, its categorically stupid.
>>519375905That's a lot of actual cope, completely missing the point, and random babbling from someone with confidence in their complete and total lack of knowledge about this subject.It doesn't change the reality that if it was as easy as you're implying nations would've done it instead of relying on foreign powers to manufacture it for them at a massive premium. (this applies to not just munitions manufacturing)Even the USA can't even replace its aging stockpiles in a timely matter but nations a fraction of the size can through public will and a little bit of love.
>>519369186First, a Cassus Beli that's recognized internationally. Otherwise, other nations will supply your opposition just to weaken you enough to be conquered.Second, no pre-existing agreement like the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 which forbids you from invading. Otherwise, every other nation will recognize you as a treaty breaker and join your enemies. Like how Finland joined NATO. Frankly, once Finland joined NATO the entire war became pointless. Turkey and Finland have Russia in a pincer so Ukraine joining NATO means nothing.
>>519375895>And even if you go "full-measure" and just GENOCIDE the people you steal fromRegardless, China won't allow Russia to do this.
>>519367587Vova is making the Orange King look stupid. Its a win.
>>519376435>Turkey and Finland have Russia in a pincer so Ukraine joining NATO means nothing.Broadly speaking, if you were to attack Moscow with a ground invasion ideally you'd go through Ukraine. Obviously that's not really going to be how any such conflict would actually take place, but Russia is retarded and stuck in a past where tanks are still relevant.
>>519368809>funny how accurately this describes russia's "negotiating"In Istanbul agreement four regions forming land bridge to Crimea were to stay in the Ukraine.Even a butthurt belter should see it was a very generous offer, bordering a cuck-out.
>>519375895personally I'm looking forward to jewtin's inevitable death and the power vacuum left behind. I'm sure he thinks he can just sign away that power to some bastard son of his and croak peacefully, but realistically the power struggle can even bring down the whole federation. People like Fomin won't just go quietly into the night to be ruled by another fat retard until his death.Jewtin has been making sure for the past 30 years to surround himself with weak, retarded but loyal lackeys. When Prigozhin chimped out, Jewtin actually fled Moscow with his cabinet. Just imagine how weak and fragile the entire kremlin system really is.
>>519376434>That's a lot of actual cope, completely missing the point, and random babbling from someone with confidence in their complete and total lack of knowledge about this subject.sounds exactly like your takes. Why are you describing your own posts?
>>519367587He is but I understand why Putin won't negotiate.If Putin doesn't win he'll lose Face. However, every month Ukraine held out is another loss of Face. If Putin spent millions of lives and 3 years only to get a tiny bit of territory then Putin has no more Face to lose.
>>519376803In Budapest agreement Ukraine was supposed to be a sovereign independent nation guaranteed by Russia in exchange for nukes. Russia breaks every agreement and treaty it signs. Russia is unreasonable, wants everything and offers nothing.
>>519376885reflect on your own biases dunning kruger anon.Have a nice day.
>>519374125This poster is a kike.>>519376902It's not about losing face, he already lost it.It's about not repeating Minsk I, Minsk II or Istanbul.EU cannot be trusted with their end of the bargain.US too, as Trump is out in a couple of years.
>>519377040thank you for conceding that you have no more arguments, shat and pissed yourself, threw out an ad hominem, proclaimed victory and left the chat. Reflect on your concession.Have a nice day.
>>519367587That's like your opinion man
>>519377092>EU cannot be trusted with their end of the bargain.You mean russia? Russia breaks every treaty and promise it makes. Now go on, name one treaty that EU broke. We're waiting to see which kremlin lie you'll blurt out.
>>519377158>assume you won the rest of what was posted.There's no rationalizing with someone who says>anything can work if you try!With no knowledge on the subject, you are always right anon. Thank you for wishing me a nice day, I've got to get back to the long day factory.
>>519377006>In Budapest agreementMemorandum, not an agreement. And you should read it, faggot.>Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).[10]>Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.>Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus, and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.Now, how the following doesn't violate it? And why should Russia respect it when other signatories do not?>The whole Burisma business, with Biden getting rid of Ukraine's General Prosecutor who was investigating Hunter.>BLATANT GLOWNIGGER COUP.
>>519377223>Russia breaks every treaty and promise it makes.Please provide an example.
>>519377223Countries owned and operated by jews cannot be trusted to honor peace agreements. This fact applies to the U.S and the EU, it may apply to Russia as well but I'm not certain that Putin is a jew slave like Trump.
>>519376424that's why the better strategy for Russia would be to make the West complacent and rot them out from within
>>519377382>anything can work if you try!you can't reason with any argumentation, so you create retarded strawmen like this and fight them instead. Go ahead and be the victor in your little shitting field full of scarecrows
>>519368326>>offer several times throughout the war your grounds for a ceasefireThe ground being surrender and disarmament. That's obviously not a serious proposal.
>>519377430Every single country you've invaded in your history after promising you won't? Ukraine, before that Georgia, before that Chechnya. Every single ceasefire or promise you won't shoot at certain targets in Ukraine, you have also broken. You shoot civilian targets daily. Everyone knows russians cannot be trusted, including russians themselves.
>>519367587His friends become x10 rich. All elite families lives in west/east. No more lefts/socialists allowed in ru. No more opposition. Elites plan to turn us in North Korea
>>519367587thing is ww3 has started and he knows there is nothing the west can do, sanctions failed and NATO is too weak and doesn't have anymore weapons to send. There is literally nothing they could do except start nuking russia and that is the end for everyone. It's basically over already, just have to kill the last few hohols and he wins. this is what happens when retarded kike puppets and women run your countries lmao
>>519376063> we dont want your shithole or your nation of degeneratesWhat bit do you not understand? We dont give a shit about you. Like the swamps of niggers in africa we were happy to pretend you didnt exist for most of this decade.
>>519377006NoUkraine was paid 2 billion for those nukes and glady accepted the money.Retard
>>519377703Why can't the gas station of Europe provide gas to their own citizens
He wants the ukraine to cease existing. They betrayed the Russians by siding with the west despite being almost the same people. His plan isnt just to take over. He wants to erase all of their language and culture and replace it with Russia at whatever cost.
>>519377626>ChechnyaThis retard thinks Chechnya was a country
>>519377703>just have to kill the last few hohols and he winsBut he can't. He's consistently failed to do so for years, and now there's the question of how long the Russian economy is going to hold out for.
>>519377763Niggers in war torn africa run a more reliable gas station than russians.
>>51937783495% of their population voted to be independent. Russia should honor that, right? Since they always honor new countries who want to become independent.
>>519369459Russia will reach Kiev in 134 years. Please help us we need NATO help because we can't defend our border. Finishnigger still salty they lost to crapy Russian army. Lost land and paid reparations to Russia.
>>519377392are you seriously comparing Hunter Biden fiasco to a full blown military invasion and diligent genocide effort? Yes, ukraine was and still is a corrupt shithole.No, it does not mean you can kill them all and take their land.No, it does not break any of the Budapest memorandum points.Yes, Russia has>disrespected the signatory's independence and sovereignty>threatened and used for against the territorial integrity>economically coerced ukraine to become subordinatesRussia is guilty of all these things, and no one else in the world is>BLATANT GLOWNIGGER COUP.even if it was true (which it isn't, NONE of the former soviet satellites want anything to do with russia and this isn't unreasonable or suspicious, it's common sense), russia still has 0 right to invade and genocide ukrainians over this. Unless, of course, russia never treated ukraine as a sovereign state and decided that once yanukovych the puppet is out, that means the ukrainian dog has bitten off the russian leash and must be invaded and murdered into obedience again. Which, again, exposes russia's intents and disingenuous approach to any agreements and treaties they made in the past.
>>519377756AND its sovereignty was supposed to be guaranteed by Russia. Stop cherrypicking historical facts
>>519367587So nato fiends are some sort of geniuses op?Is that your contention?
>>519377223Ok faggotLegal arguments showing how the EU has broken its own treaty with the UKEssential condition of participating in Withdrawal Agreement (WA) : to secure a free trade agreement (FTA)The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA by denying the UK an FTAThe EU has attempted to impose wholly unreasonable restrictions on the UK which no other country would acceptThe treaty was therefore entered into by the UK on a false premise from the EUThe EU has breached its legal obligation to act in good faithThe WA breaks the terms of the Good Friday AgreementThe WA is in breach of the ECHR principle of the right to voteThe WA is in breach of the UN Charter's principle of “self-determination”, its most important tenetThe UK Government must now pass an Act of Parliament superseding and revoking the WA
>>519377626>Georgia.They attacked Russian peacekeepers and Ossetians first, even fucking EU agreed on that.They were rushed, they signed an agreement it it's been seventeen years without issues.>ChechnyaNot the hecking wahhabbi insurgents!They became de-facto and de-jure independent after signing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khasavyurt_AccordBut they broke the accord and started shit in neighboring Dagestan province.Now, stop kvetching and link me an agreement broken by Russia, faggot.
>>519377961>No, it does not break any of the Budapest memorandum points.How does firing a general prosecutor and then starting a glownigger coup NOT violate>Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty>Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatoriesAre you a hohol or just retarded?
>>519377092The problem is that Putin broke the Budapest Memorandum and while that wasn't a binding treaty it basically gives the EU an excuse to break those treaties without repercussion.
>>519378033Nobody wanted ukraine to keep those nukes faggot and you know it, besides the fact they had no way to maintain them they poses a risk of them selling them to terrorist regimes. Like how they sold all the military equipment Russia left them to genocidal regimes like Sierra Leon. 32 billion dollars worth.
>>519377539I would ask for you to point out the strawmans I made but I sincerely doubt you know what that word means.I picked one subject I am actually an expert on to respond to because I am taking time out of my day to respond to (you)If all countries could just decide to make their own shit why is China a superpower? couldn't they just say no and just create a factory for labubu's in a couple of weeks? What are supply lines, what is training, what is manufacturing of the machines needed to manufacture goods? Perhaps these questions all relate to why no country is seriously upping their manufacturing capabilities after this whole fiasco.Seriously you know literally nothing about this subject and can't accept that, please smile knowing I've wasted literal dollars of my employers time responding to you with this several minute long post.
>>519368429That's literally the justification of Israeli Palestinian war right now.
>>519367587russia raced india to the bottom as a superpower in his reign
>>519378372>The problem is that Putin broke the Budapest MemorandumGlownigger coup (the point of no return) happened before annexation of Crimea, anon.
>>519378343the glownigger coup is made up. There was no glownigger coup. Everything that results in countries gaining independence from russia you will treat as a glownigger coup, because you're a feral tribal vatnigger nation of goy cattle. You're unreasonable. You cannot even fathom the concept of not wanting to suck your tsar's cock, so you seethe and call everyone and everything a glownigger coup, then proceed to carpet bomb kindergartens and hospitals saying "i'm entitled to this". You are not, and you will never be.
>>519368006>he invaded a country illegallyIs that what we call liberating people now?
>>519378633>the glownigger coup is made up. There was no glownigger coup.
>>519378113Nice list, Ivan. Can you explain in your own words what any of them mean, or did you just copypaste it from a kremlin telegram channel without understanding any of it?
>>519377741>i have other businessduly noted
>>519378512I thought you were done and going back to factory work???Anyways, you're putting words in my mouth and fighting that instead of the words I actually said. You have nothing to say other than "no knowledge on the subject" kind of shit, without pointing out what exactly is making you outraged so much. Popping new factories? Here's the first google result to support my claim: https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2025/09/2025-09-05-factory-opening-in-unterluessYou are an expert in shitposting and living in pre-2022 times where some of your claims are the truth
>>519378818So you are a faggot shillGot it
>>519378372>Putin broke the Budapest Memorandumnow now
>>519379108Yep, you're just another russian shill repeating what he is told to repeat by kremlin.
>>519378885We even stopped shipping your women in as prostitutes - they were the cheapest in the market but very poor performers.
>>519373846>Well Ukraine havent declared war on Russia>defending illegally Least disgusting Russian
>>519367587Not seeing Russia as the actual threat they pretended it was is a large part of what brought us here.Prisoner's Dilemma time. When you try to cooperate but your opponent continues to defect, eventually you decide to just defect every time to punish them, even though it results in yourself being denied also.Russia needs to punish the West for fucking with them for so long. Clearly, cooperating regardless has left them screwed over repeatedly.
>>519379353yes yes
>>519368006That will do extremely well, child. You have delighted us long enough. Let the other young ladies have time to exhibit.
>>519379493>russia goodboi russia dindu nuffin>west badAt least you're not trying to hide your flag, Prakesh.
>>519378998I don't work in a factory, I make them :^)>without pointing out what exactly is making you outraged so muchI already did previously.>Here's the first google result to support my claimA revolutionary factory, to be the largest in Europe, that in 2027 will produce in a year a whopping 250k.That's as many as Russia produces in a month! But I concede, they are making an /attempt/ to up their production even if it's still not enough, it just took half a decade - as I lined out it's not an instant process.>You are an expert in shitpostingTrvke.
>>519379545They now compete with the ladyboys in thailand. People prefer the ladyboys but the russian girls are cheaper.
You are on /pol/ here. War, killing ppl for the sake of kikes is based and redpilled!
>>519379669I'm waiting for you to list a single agreement that was broken by Russia, faggot.
>>519379669NATO consistently fucked with them. And they reacted poorly, accepting empty assurances and agreeing to look the other way. Not longer.[Insert lame joke about milk chocolate or cuckoo clocks here]
>>519368094after they killed all the solders the destroyed the Russian base right, troon? lmao
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>>519376435>redditor who thinks real life is Crusader King.
>>519379990Budapest Memorandum which Russia broke in 2014 when they sanctioned Crimea then under Ukraine control. You're probably too young to remember it though
>>519379990"We will not attack Ukraine" - Putin on February 23, 2022.
>>519367587Who cares, China owns Russia now
>>519380692We are liberating our lands from the ukrainian occupiers
>>519367587You can't spell Ukraine without UK.
>>519380290Budapest memorandum was placed to secure neutrality and friendly nature of coexistence of our countries.Basically, what Putin asks is the restoration of it but in actual binding form.No, couping a country and declaring it as a hostile entity towards Russia is not 'being neutral'We want that memorandum, you don't. That's the issue.We walked from the cold war era, Nato stayed. Not our fault.
>>519367797>ZiggermapsWhy even bother.
>>519380912So, you will have no problem with Ukraine liberating their lands from russian occupiers. Or Poland, Germany, Finland, Georgia, China, as all of them have land that you stole and needs to be liberated.
>>519367587It has already been decided we’re going to war with Russia. Doesn’t matter what putin does.
>>519380290>Budapest MemorandumSee >>519377392>>519380692>"We will not attack Ukraine"Do you even not know the difference between a statement and an agreement?What an extraordinarly dumb person.
>>519377571You will be ignored by bots for having an opinion based in reality.
>>519381083>no problem with Ukraine liberating their lands Its been 11 years faggot shill, how long do we have to wait?
>>519381004>deepcopecan’t wait for whole ukranny to be in grey zonebtw bunny ears status?
>>519381273Kursk has always been part of Ukraine. They are simply liberating it now from russian invaders. Kursk even had a popular vote and they voted to become independent from russia.
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>>519381322AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA blya
>We are liberating our lands from the ukrainian occupierstsk tsk tsk
