Have american manufacturers considered lowering the price of their vehicles for buyers?
>>519404125Have you thought about finding a second job, since you're so smart and trying to give them advice?
That sounds like communism.
>>519404125some have due to tariffs
>>519404125No. That's antisemitic.
>>519404125US automakers deserve to go out of business. They give 0 fucks about what their customers actually want in a car because they make more profit from financing and the service department. They all sell a botnet on wheels that requires a fucking software loicense to operate. No, thanks.The last planned vehicle announcement that produced any legit interest was the Bezos mini-truck. Easy sell if you can get one without telemetry.
>>519404438He is probably working on his 3rd job right now working from home in IT.
>>519404125Didn't Obama give car companies a massive bailout? So now they're trained to just beg for handouts instead of competing.
>>519404125You can still buy a new Corolla for low $20k. People just don't want to buy cheap cars and will take high interest 60 month loans than buy cars they can afford.
>>519404125Have they thought about selling cars for an actual reasonable price?
>>519404125no one is forcing people to buy $70k tacomas, they just do because they're retards, consumers get precisely what they deserve
>>519404125Americans want a 5K surcharge for the AI enabled rear camera defroster.
>>519404869This
>>519404125There's already too many rednecks drunk driving literal dump trucks on the streets. They need to raise the price by about 50% more.
>>519404125But if car prices were lower unions/black people wouldn't get their unreasonably high wages.
>>519404565>yoshi cuts price by -20%>kike at the dealership adjusts the price +19%winning!
>>519404125dont worry donald will cut rates rates so you can afford your payments and nbody will have to lower prices on homes or cars. you'll get raped by inflation but the spice has gotta flow
>>519404438Fuck that gay shit. 40 is enough. Let them take the hit until they realize their prices are exorbitant for a big drivable smart phone. I own a 96 and a 2012. They're going to be driven until the wheels fall off because im not buying some over regulated piece of shit that spies on me, and tells me what to do more than it drives.
>>519404125>Have american manufacturers considered lowering the price of their vehicles for buyers?They stopped building base models and crammed everything with bullshit needless features because they were managing to sell these things to retards that were financing them at stupid rates.But now every retard has already maxed out their credit so they've got huge stockpiles of stupidly overpriced vehicles that no one can afford.New cars are shit anyway, almost all of them are filled with tech bullshit you don't need and they're way less reliable than the cars we were making 20 years ago. If you need a car buy used.
>>519404125We tried small cheap cars like the fit and people didn’t really buy them. Big cars sell better
>>519405886You lost tranny, your "we" isn't doing shit. You won't do shit either.
>>519406294/thisCan't I have a based beans lil truck that isn't full frivolities and spywarewjswp?
>>519404125>economical cars come with higher fuel emissions standards>trucks and suv's dont>plus a bunch of retarded built in nagging devices >DING DING DING DING FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELT>DING DING DING DING SIDE VIEW CAMERA ALERT>DING DING DING DING REAR BACK UP CAMERA DIRTY/STOPPING YOU FROM HITTING A JUNE BUG ON YOUR DRIVE WAY>DING DING DING DING PASSE GER AIRBAG HAS SOMEHOW TURNED ITSELF OFF>DING DING DING DING WOULD YOU LIKE A SUBSCRIPTION TO AMAZON PRIMEall this and more brought to you by busy body Karen's and the asshole corpos who see it as an opportunity to read your ass as you beg for a second round
>>519406337I want to buy a fit so damn bad but a 10 year old fit costs almost the same was what it was new
>>519404681Everyone talks about the need to protect the American automaker industry. Fuck them, what about the average American driver? They have screwed us with shitty vehicles for far too long. Yes, you can buy old vehicles, but the demand for used vehicles is artificially high because new are such dogshit. Not to mention cash for clunkers destroyed many good vehicles that could still be on the market today. In this country you have to buy a car to survive as an adult. Ok fine I'll buy a car, but I don't want to be assraped in the process.
>>519404869they aren't buying themthat's the fucking pointinvestors are worried because sales are down
>>519404565>they were ripping us off for years
>>519404438>finding a second jobHi commie.
>>519404125Kind of hard when $20k of the base is all shit that do gooder democrats require. Just wait for Joe's alcohol interlocks, that's another $12k to the base.
>>519406856and delinquencies up
>>519406658Forgot to propose my solution: Roll back safety and emission standards back to the year 2000 and allow foreign competition. Allow any American to import a car from anywhere in the world without paying taxes on it. No tariffs, no fees, no bullshit. Make the American automakers compete in a real marketplace to benefit the American citizen that has to buy a car. Some Americans may lose their Ford factory job or whatever, but they are making a dogshit product so it is what it is.
>>519404438No, I am going to simply continue driving an old used car unless and until they make a value proposition that is mutually beneficial. They have failed to do so. That is what "Americans can't afford their cars" means.
>>519404125>Have american manufacturers considered lowering the priceWhy are you anti-Semitic?
>>519404125I was at a college campus today and parked my 2014 banger waiting for my wife to finish work and noted dozens of these kids coming and going in vehicles worth way more than I'd be willing to spend, depressing anons.
>>519404438>finding a second jobGood goy. Find a third one.
>>519407288Their parents are highly leveraged.
>>519407075>Make the American automakers competeCapitalism for me, not for thee.
>>519407288>>519407707Average debt per household: The average American household debt reached $105,056 in 2024, marking a 13% increase since 2020.https://www.fool.com/money/research/average-household-debt/The American dream is dead
America deserves more expensive cars made by americans for americans.No affordable cars will be allowed.Everybody gets what they want.Everybody wins.
>>519406196I have 2 cars with a combined 31 years between them, an 06 and 14 and I will drive them until their wheels fall off as well
>>519404125Dealerships need shot dead. Every car usually has 10K in dealer markups above MSRP.
>>519408610Sorry goy it's against the law for manufacturers to sell direct to customers.
>>519404125Seriously, fuck them. They haven't done shit to get rid of dealerships and don't have no incentive to compete with foreign brands, knowing they'll get assistance or bailed out by the government.
>>519408800Tesla has fought it in most states.
>>519407288Fuck, at my community college I see tons of Teslas, Ioniq 5s, and F-150s. I can only imagine they're leased or have seven year loans.
>>519404125Auto makers don’t make money on sales. They make most money on financing.
>>519404125They can't, not with the tariffs. Prices will probably continue to rise.
>>519404681>US automakers deserve to go out of business. They give 0 fucks about what their customers actually want in a car because they make more profit from financing and the service department. They all sell a botnet on wheels that requires a fucking software loicense to operate. No, thanks.>The last planned vehicle announcement that produced any legit interest was the Bezos mini-truck. Easy sell if you can get one without telemetry.Yep, with the big 3 American automakers, all their engineers seem to be working with the goal of quality just above the Lemon Law.I'd never buy a new car, and am worried about what I will be doing when I need a 20 year old car after the next decade.At least I moved out of the rust belt, and as long as I can get parts I can just collect more beater cars, and keep them on the road.
>>519409228they fight like hell for ever $100, nigger
>>519404438if they cant sell those cars, they lose their jobs
>>519404125If these fools would produce a small pickup diesel pickup with manual every damn thing for a reasonable price they wouldn't be able to keep them on the lots. No navigation bs. No electric windows. Nothing to actually go wrong. Just a small capable truck that you could work on yourself. Would easily be the best selling vehicle in America among white males.
>>519404125You my good Japanese car for about three grand. Throw another $1,500 at it and drive it for 4 or 5 years with no payments. Sometimes when the car has a lot of miles it just means it's a good fucking car.
Cars produced after 2017 all have spy tools and remote control. They’re designed to be driven into a wall at any time
>>519408965You will pay the middleman fee and you will be happy.
>>519409766They do not make what you want. They make what they think you should want.
>>519406603No until you trust your local loansharks
>>519404438Have you thought about doing the world a favor and walking in front of a bus?
>>519407288i bought a brand new car and just paid the loan earlyits not hard lol i just worked a second jobnow i have a crazy amount of financial freedom and discipline
>>519410171and i am a bottom of the barrel wage slaveobviously people who have children and send them to collegemake lots more money than meits just a car, not a big deal
>>519410171A loan?Is this semitism?
>>519410171k. next you'll say you're tall lmao
>>519409479I'm holding off as well. I've heard older used Nissan Leafs are pretty inexpensive. I was sure I saw it wouldn't be difficult or that expensive to replace the batteries.
They can’t make them inexpensive because they’re required to be over-engineered thanks mainly to regulations.
>>519410306well i didnt have 30k laying aroundso it actually helped me
>>519410393im dead serious. and im not tall either, thats one thing that sucks, gettingmogged in public, i hate it
>>519410280You can sleep in a car, you can't race a house.I was sure most states cover costs of community college and even state schools if you have decent grades or need assistance.
I bought a 20 year old car with less than 150k miles on it for less than $5K. It runs fine.Car makers can get fucked.
>>519410542just messin fren. i hope you maintain it well.t. old toyota enjoyer. tall.
>>519407075>Roll back safety and emission standards back to the year 2000no>allow foreign competitionyes
>>519410401I guess it was a Prius battery that wasn't that expensive.
>>519404125Why not strip all the surveillance electronics to lower the cost or is that what is subsidizing their business now?
>>519407075Emissions yes. Safety no.
>>519404125Price must go up cause inflation. 50k was like 25k in 2000. The fact you can get a corolla for 20s is crazy now
>>519404869Well, when there's nothing else to buy than $70k tacomas, what are new buyers suppose to do? Go back to horses and carriage?
>>519408357>>519409899they worst part is that all the new year entry level sedans use uber-gay CVT trannies which are designed to fail after 50K milesyes, we have literal cars on the road which have tires that last longer than their power trainsour entire car economy is centered around Apple Car Play™ and planned obsolescence
>>519410867More like 100k was 20k in 2000. Back then, a solid 1kg bar of gold would set you back a couple thousands, now you need more than 100k
>>519410989Not shitty nip meme trucks?
>>519404869>>519410989A Maverick is $40,000. Size of the bed doesn't matter as I always hear few people actually haul anything.
>>519404125Maybe if they took out the $35k-$50k of useless electronics that are mostly used to spy on us, then maybe we could afford their shitty cars.
>>519410754The state would never willingly give up power.Estimates of the costs of all the “safety” and surveillance tech in cars now is about $5000-6000/car. It’s insane.
>>519404125They're all already insolvent. The money they make goes to propping up stock prices and covering current debts. If they lower prices then it enters the death spiral for them. They should just commit insurance fraud, honestly.
>>519411652>They should just commit insurance fraud, honestly.Bold of you to assume they already aren't.
>>519404125Lower their prices!? How could the afford to pay their workers $50+/hour?
>>519404125> No car > no house ownership> skyrocketing groceries> skyrocketing rent. Gonna be 3rd world in no time.
>>519404125Hitler created the Volkswagen, what car will Trump create to solve this crises?
>>519404125>Look at new base model trade trucks>30k new>Still filled to the brim with computer trash>Turbo 6cyl>Plastic everywhere>Not even a bed liner>Engine goes in 150k miles>Transmission goes in 90k
>>519406956That wouldn’t make him a commie it would make him a capitalist dog boomer telling you to pick yourself up by the bootstraps. If it was communism there would be one single car model which makes more sense parts would be cheaper and production as well.
>>519404125Lol, that pic is right in my town.
>>519412519i think they should.i live in germany, so i can't help with that, but as far as i know, there is a 25% import tax on cars.
>>519406603No we need to put rare earth minerals in cars for some reason
>>519406603but can it go 90 down the north central expressway?
>>519406856Oh no! Not the heckin investerinos!!
>>519404125Here's the deal. Cars are more advanced than ever. They're no longer carbureted fully mechanical machines. Cars now are basically computers on wheels. They have so many sensors, computer units for everything, much more systems, and all the latest technology.Vehicles back then were cheaper but you were expected to replace them every 5 years because they didn't really last and were constantly developing. People are keeping cars for longer because they're more reliable and much more advanced. They're not the same disposable item that they once were. More expensive cars are fine because you buy them less often.
>>519411017I got bit by this with a 2016 Nissan Sentra. I just wanted a cheap car that would last for a while. CVT failed and car was worthless. I crashed out, figuratively.
>>519404125I remember watching The Price is Right like 7 years ago and the Kias were like $15k. Now Kias are like $22k.
>>519413649i've seen a lot of people say that they've been trying to get the price of their vehicles lowered, but the dealerships have refused.
>>519408800Dealers could just not add on all kinds of fuckery markups. I've bought quite a few new cars in my life being an old GenXer. These dealer markups only got insane in the last few years.
>that's not how infinite growth works, ya doity goyim
>>519406946It's basic economics that the cost of tariffs are split between consumer and producer. Please learn before commenting on economic matters.
>>519404125US car companies make low build quality, enormous and unpractical vehicles. They've lived in a bubble of tariffs and subsidies for so long they've completely lost any sense of competitiveness and just sell slop domestically to a captured audience.
>>519405886There is no way in hell that’s Lawrence’s real hair
>>519406658It's the fucking unions as always>>519407075Yes and yes, I want a 2025 JDM.
>>519415535It's weird how Japanese auto manufacturers are more invested in the united states than american auto manufacturers. Ford moved production to mexico while Toyota built factories here.
China cars are the future.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJA8UiZW7lk
>>519404793>So now they're trained to just beg for handouts instead of competing.Correct. And all the incompetent morons that got themselves into that mess back in 2009 were never fired because Obama bailed them out.
>>519411124You hating on them but I love driving mine. I can almost lane filter retards in it lol, I do admit, it is slow as hell.
>>519404869That’s what happens when you have an inelastic commodity you can buy on credit
>>519415842Jews fucking LOVE toyotas, just go to a Jewish enclave, all the cars are beat to shit Toyotas.
>>519409325This makes no sense. The “foreign” cars are generally the cheaper option. Maybe not by a lot but it’s noticeable.Foreign is in quotes because a lot of them have manufacturing plants here, but I honestly don’t know where they fall in terms of tariffs
>>519404438I’m on my 4th job and I won’t buy a new truck until it costs 30k. A raptor f150 by the way
>>519416133Jews also love breathing air and drinking water.
>>519413215It should. It has around 140 to 160 horsepower.
>>519404793I suspect that the Biden admin inflicted a mortal wound on the US car industry with the EV mandates and rebates. Ford has sunk like $15B I to their electric truck plant and no one wants them, the place is nearly idle, and it loses $5b a year. To adapt it to ICE models would cost several billion more. Meanwhile there are no infrastructure changes for million of projected EVs, and they haven't started taxing electricity to fund the roads. And when/if they do, China will be there to flood the market with ultra cheap cars. All the while all these car companies have been forced to give Tesla billion in carbon credit fees, basicthe US auto industry was forced to fund Tesla.
>>519407892Once hyper inflation hits you'll be wishing you got leveraged like crazy. Those kids will repay their $100k debt with a bag of potatoes in ten years.
>>519413530Thanks for the retarded take chat
>>519404681Ultimately, America deserves to go out of business entirely. Slide it off into the sea and start over. It's ruined; you cannot un-pee in the pool.
>buy a cheap kia for work commute>pay $17k>look at the price of the same car, 2025 model>well over $30k+
