The earliest known civilizations came from there, what made them fail miserably?
>>519438294multiculturalism, unironically.
>>519438294They were doing alright until white people showed up DESU, y'all going to hell for bombing and poisoning the holy land and you can't cope on /pol/ because you'll be in hell.
>>519438398It had a lot of cultures before the Arab-Muslim rape invasion
>>519439225I always wonder how the Middle East and the world would be today had Islam never showed up. The Middle East was peak civilization.
turkroach and mongol invasion ruined middle east
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>>519438294Because you have to be a dumb to start civilization. Imagine reject hunters gatherers lifestyle to be become a serfcuck to warlords
>>519438294The early civilizations didn't fail they just lost the comparative advantage of eaay agriculture thus smarter races overtook them.
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>>519438294Sea people, they'd rock up in boats and fuck shit up, no one knows who they actually were. They fucked up everything.
>>519438294disbelief in the only God, Allah swt.
Eastern trade routes became irrelevant after the discovery of the new world
>>519439333ME peaked during and after the last Prophet, Muhammad pbuh
>>519438294The Middle East was always a miserable subhuman shithole>but muh civilizationsyeah that's the problem. A bunch of hominids coming together to grow barley and kill each other over grain and shiny metals. Here you go. That's civilization. You might as well gawk at shitty shanty towns in India and talk about civilization when it's literally subhumans shitting into each other's face.
>>519439710yes, because denmark is known for being cradle of civilizations...what an idiot you are
>>519439593I thought they'd figured out they were pirates from the western med - sardinia, sicily and corsica?
>>519439748>denmark is know for being cradle of civilizationsyou know what a cradle is? It's the place where dumb annoying kids yell, piss and shit waiting for their mommy to clean their disgusting monkey butts. You might as well call it a toilet of civilizations.Also, we didn't have agriculture until you middle eastern scum arrived here like 6000 years ago or so. Ever since then we've had slavery, then christianity, and now we have slavery again except with a state church that advocates the Great Replacement by the same brown monkeys that ruined this place in the Neolithic. Fuck you Mehmet.
>>519439333if it was peak civilization, how did it fail at protecting itself.>inb4 jewish tricksconsisting in...?
>>519439748Denmark today is one of the best places in human history to live in. They are literally a top civilization right now.
>>519438294white people left/got overbreed by non white people
>>519439333The Mediterranean coasts would still be owned by whites.Crusades never would've happened.Byzantine Empire would've made it past the 15th century.
>>519439969Agriculture and Christianity was a net positive for Europe though. The Middle East got Islam which broke the growth of the Middle East.
>>519440190Basically a golden age.
>>519439969>metaphor>unknown for "intellectual westener">"they are responsible when bad things happen to me, not I">"they ruined our habitat"how much more projecting can you achieve in 50-words-passus?>>519440012>civilizationthey are a bit bigger than a borough in a metropolis. that cannot be called a society, let alone a civilization... but you are too an intellectual westener
>>519440264>Agriculture and Christianity was a net positive for Europe though.are you enjoying this net positive now? I sure don't.
>>519439978Not really, Byzantium and Persia fought and weakened each other, and Muslims saw the opportunity and took over. And now it's a hellhole.
>>519440342why are you in a Western country then, you dumb brown faggot?
>>519440264>ChristianityImpossible to say in the long run.
>>519440395born here, live here, die hereshould i move just because a dane wishes for that?
>>519439969stop using tech and go live in forests if you dont like modern life you freak you sound like fag
>>519439333Eastern med would have been economic heart of the reigion like in ancient times.Industry and investment wouldn't have moved to Northern Europe safley away from pirates.Vandals Goths own Morocco and AlgeriaNo reason to sail west to find another way to Asia
>>519440264ME peaked with islamwhat are you on about?every time a prophet was in a society, he turned their lives for the better. every society either peaked (when obeying their message) or was destroyed (when rejecting it)
>>519440491you sound like I fucked your mother last night, kurd
>>519440555ZUTT ZUTT
>>519440383no, very really. byzantium and persia both formed what you call "civilization". why/how did "civilization" undermine itself?
>>519438294Its history is mostly made up. Thousands of years are inserted by stupid historians/geeks (eg Sumeria). Most sand people have an IQ of 85-90. They didn't know how to build a pyramid and didn't care to preserve any knowledge about it.Because of>judeo-christian cucking>renaissance proto-geek culture>propaganda>high trust naïvetywe gifted subhumans a rich narrative tradition they didn't even have.
>>519440633german history:>barbaric tribes>unification>nazism>modern jew slaves
>>519440555exactly it PEAKED.Meaning that it's been downhill ever since. And it's gonna get only worse. The only worthwile places are scorched deserts like the Gulf States. You know why? Because they didn't have "muh cradles of civilization" overpopulated like giant cockroach hives. We are getting taxed like like cattle to feed Ahmed and his 5 kids, while Qatari princes build hotels for tax dodgers while selling us the fossil fuels we so desperately need to feed the boomer lifestyles.
>>519440591stop using gifts of civilization you ungrateful faggot. im t*rkish btw.
>>519438294Smart people make a nice civilization. They get comfortable and stop breeding, poor nation breeds massively and then overwhelms the decadent society. Poor people then becomes wealthy, now they are rich and then THEY become the decadent society. Rinse and repeat, until a guy like Hitler figures out the process and forces the wealthy society to breed, but that pisses off the kikes.
>>519440555I see u trippingEgypt, Mesopotamia, Persia regional powers for millenia. Get Islam irrelevant 500 years later. Northern Europe swamps with no ancient cities of not in ancient times get Christianity and become global power. Then build world class cities on 4 more continents.Ur own feet don't believe you or they would have taken you home.U as bad as the pajeets with your self dillusion.
>>519440604Rome and Persia were at war on and off for like a millennium and a half. Fucks if we count it as Greeks and Persians then for like 2 millennia. The last was was just especially brutal and allowed what were essentially sand versions of the barbarians to come in and take advantage of both.
>>519440190>>519440303>Byzantine Empire would've made it past the 15th centuryImagine living in a modern version of the continous old Roman Empire
>>519439333>just ignore Golden Age of IslamKeep kvetching, poopjeet
>>519439710Ignorant poopjeet doesn't know about Golden Age of Islam
>>519441161>Imagine living in a modern version of the continous old Roman Empire
>>519440342Hittite empire had something like 100 000 people yet you consider it a civilization compared to that Denmark is fucking huge.
>>519441170Golden Age of Islam is a sandnigger cope for being absolutely shit at everything. It was the IRANIAN golden age and all your “Islamic” AryanGOD scholars openly mocked the Quran and thought Arabs were subuman. It was Iranians building off of Greco-Roman and Christian tradition, stupid Paki. >inb4 jeet accusationsNuke India
>>519439333Top kek
>>519438294Unironically jews. One of the cases where it is not actually a /pol/ reflex but objective reality. All of the modern day rot of the region stems from judaism and its mutation, islam. The extreme degree of racemixing via the anti-nationalist ummah universalism, the erasure of anything that existed prior to islam, the constant need to fight and divide on made up issues like sunni vs shia and like 10 other sub-mutations. Look at them Israel is raping Syria and Palestine at the same time and they're too busy debating whether the sunnis should allow Iranian militias to stay there or not, like how mindbroken do you have to be to act like this when your people are being eradicated in real time? There is an explanation for that - the concept of "your people" was erased by a universalist religion and they literally cannot understand that concept anymore, with the only thing that matters being the throne of the religion and whose sect gets to occupy it. Everything else is a disposable pawn for the future caliph, Turkey sees Palestine as a necessary sacrifice that needs to happen (while pretending that they're opposed to it) to justify them coming back there, Saudi Arabia sees something similar, Iran certainly sees something similar.They attempted the exact same wipeout of ancestral culture in Europe, but luckily we weren't brown enough to fall for it. Despite falling for it quite a bit nonetheless, not just with the pagans and statues but even with things like the fourth crusade, where mindbroken catholics replicated the exact cause and effect of modern day Mesopotamia and took a massive shit on the Balkans.
>>519440962Tbf it wasn't Christianity that propelled Northern Europe, it was the Enlightenment (even though it's probably overstayed it's welcome by now and it's consequences are now actually damaging). Christianity had it's own fare share of dumb intra religious wars, but a philosophical reshift to trying to improve the future changed everything, the problem most places had is not believing you can change people's lives with technology and such, and believed people have lived the same way since forever and always will. Rome wasn't missing any single piece of technology to go through the industrial revolution, it was missing a will. Remember all those "how people will live in 100 years" drawings? Those didn't exist in ancient times.
It's the easy mode place to start a civilisation. It's not good at maintaining the high level
>>519438294Do you want the real answer or memes? The real answer is climate change (not man-made but natural) made the place less hospitable. The meme answer would be they were ancient white people but got browned because jews.
>>519440703>german history:wrong>historythere is no history without the Germanic race. We're the bringer of culture and history. It's hard seeing a fellow German cucking out that much.All other nations either had Germanic blood/rulers or they didn't accomplish much. East Asians stand apart from this rule of thumb. They invented shit on their own and would've done fine in a world without Germanics, probably, eventually.
>>519440727it has been progressively worse for the last few centuries, but it is mainly because of rejecting the islamic law and especially by rise of jewish world influence, which because of jew hatred towards muslims is pointed to that area. nothing else.you are taxed heavily because you must feed jews and their machinery operating against muslims worldwide. especially to support israel.if you do not want to feed and help big families, you should not speak ill of immigrants in your country, because someone must do the work. someone must work to feed the jew.
>>519441887I heard something about Beduin sheparding practices leading to the desertification of the entire area, because their flocks would constantly just devour all the greenery allowing the desert to expand (after they conquered during the islamic conquests). Don't know much about it though.
>>519440962there were numerous prophets and messengers for all of nations ever in history of the planet. egyptian pharoes were destroyed when they started to demand from people to worship them. but the start of egyptian prosperity is not known because older generations (which were righteous) are to be thanked to for that.Norther Europe has become succesful in recent times, few centuries back they were just savages. they can thank globalization and european union for that. >>519441473i never said that. it was just an empire, like many others. people you may say.
>>519441889austrian history is not like german. germans are savages, only your name for the language stuck. Austrians for example have more in common with slavs than with germs. before unification the germans are seen (rightfuly so) as savages, barbarians.
>>519441759Magna Carta?Renaissance?Scholastics?Banking invented in middle ages?Vaulted ceilings?Circum navigate the globe 1522 a 100 years before enlightenment.Adoption of arabic numerals.Barber pirates making eastern med unsafe for trade pushing investment away from southern Europe.
>>519441887The people were too stupid, they couldnt understand the nature of the world. They thought it was just a flat surface, when in reality it is a globe. The people of that time also thought that the stars were made of metal, and that they were used for some sort of communication.
>>519442121Humid period ended 300BC.
>>519442314during the european dark ages, young people went to spain, egypt, syria (then under muslim rule) and were taught about the world. it took them hundreds of years to realize that the muslim work in science is better than being subordinate to the church, which prohibited that they go to islamic world to learn.
>>519438294I’m Assyrian. Egyptians still exist too (copts). Elam, Babylon, and the Hittites could have never achieved what the Egyptians and Assyrians achieved btw. The Assyrians removed the nigger dynasty from Egypt and expelled all the Kushites. In return Egyptians rode out in the thousands to the Assyrians’ rescue during the fall of their empire but it turned out to be too little too late.
>>519442522U still taking credit for damascus (wootz steel) and Indian base 10 number system?
>>519442585>we wuz kings and shiiiet
>>519442689i aint taking credit for anything, for it was not me who discovered and explained anything. i am just saying how knowledge from muslims from the last islamic golden age helped europe to get where we are now.
>>519438294Semites (kikes and arabs) destroyed it all.
>>519439333>I always wonder how the Middle East and the world would be today had Islam never showed upLike Balkans, with Orthodox and Catholic nations hating each other (including their neighbours who profess the same religion but pronounce the word "dog" slightly differently) instead.
>>519438294Because whites left
>>519442735We’re not we wuzzing though, the modern Assyrians descend from the ancient Assyrians. Why do you call that we wuzzing but not greeks claiming mycenean history, iranians claiming persian history, italians claiming roman history, etc? Because you’ve been brainwashed by jews. The jew hates and fears the Assyrian.
>>519438294Silk Road moving north
>>519441887Hittites and Egypt and Myceneans collapsed due to climate change (causing drought that led to mass migration and plundering). Hittites were militarily strong but were fragile because they had no clear line of succession.After the major collapse of these cultures, Assyria basically explodes and captures most of the middle east, partially because they were expert organizers and militarily advanced and actually built roads etc.Egypt somewhat survived under numidian/Kush dynasties despite Assyria taking most of the area.Assyria then gets crushed by a coalition led by Babylon. These then gets crushed by the newcoming Persians who moves in from the steppe with superior cavalry and able to assimilate conquered people into loyal vassals. Unlike the Assyrians who just wanted to burn everything down, the Persians successfully portrayed themselves as liberators.Persians rule most of middle east until 300 AD when Macedonians unite Greece and conquers most of the empire. They in turn lasts for only a few years until the Macedonian empire collapse in civil war with a dozen Hellenistic kingdoms that rules the middle east, Indus valley and Greece. These kingdoms are largely a mix of local culture with a Greek elite. These kingdoms keeps fighting each others until the Roman republic/empire finish them all off. Egypt retains some slight independence until Augustus shows us because his rival Antonius decided to ally Cleopatra.Rome takes power in western middle east and Sassanians took power in the east attempting to restore Persians empire and starts fighting with Rome/Byzantine for hundreds of years until the Caliphate from Arabia sweeps in and destroys one and severely weakened the other./studied near east history in uni
>>519442314All of those did help lead to the Enlightenment, it wasn't an overnight event. I'm say what really helped propell everything was the philosophical shift that spread. It's not like there wasn't any technology progress before, it's about the speed of it, and acknowledgement of it's power. I believe I read the Romans had a hydraulic press in some village used to make wine, but it was thought of as no more than a peasant curiosity.
>>519443664Great Post, did you study near east history after the Muslim takeover? What led to the formation of Islam? Was Islam a net negative to the Middle East?
>>519442320People have known the Earth was a globe for a very very long time. The main debates were whether the Earth orbits the Sun or the Sun orbits the Earth. In Columbus' case it was also the size of the Earth. He thought the Earth was like a third smaller, even though everyone told him he's wrong. Luckily for him there was another continent midway to China.
>>519439666Is that why they lost to the British? The islamic golden age was their renaissance and it happened on the more tolerant Abassid Caliphate. It's ironic that the Islamic world regressed to their conservative ways afterward while the Italians imported their past liberal achievements and further it. No wonder the industrial revolution started in white Europe.
>>519443664what are sources for the hittites? or is it just assumed, since there are very few signs of them even being alive, apart from iron weapons and other things? was it not a known fact that they were destroyed by "sea men"? or does uni stick to known things and makes stories around it?
>>519444038Britain became power in 17-18th century. they can thank jew for that, because they gave them the idea of shipping blacks to the new world.
>>519443979Briefly.Historians tend to look favorably to unifying empires because they provide stability and flourish education and trade. The caliphate was no different.Arabia was mostly nomadic tribes with only a handful of cities (Mecca and Medina). The harsh characteristics of Arabians nomadic life made people exceptionally tough.Many different gods were worshipped in Arabia so jews became a much easier group for Muhammed to recruit from since they've already embraced the idea of a single almighty God (and the fact that the Jewish population was concentrated in urban centers like Medina).By around 630 Muhammed unify western Arabia and wins loyalty largely by the same way as Persians did by respecting local traditions and assimilate your own ways with the locals (hijab female cover for example originated from Byzantine culture).It's mostly practical because Muhammed wants unity, which is also made possible due to unifying language and religion.The caliphate is mostly successful because of extremely organized statescraft and military.Emirs are selected to govern parts of the empire to ease administrative burden of the central government. Vizier are are given authority over certain power structures within the empire, such as one responsible for agriculture, one for education, one for military etc. The division of power is extremely groundbreaking because traditionally the emperor of every historical empire or kingdom has had his closest circle to always attempted to rule all aspects of an empire which has contributed to stagnation and collapse. Militarily it was extremely desired to serve in the caliphate army because by doing so you recieved annual pay for both you ans your family, plus the promise of loot, plus you're excempt from tax if you're a Muslim.Caliphate also struck at the right place at the right time. Byzantine and Sassanid were severely weakened in 600 AD after 2 centuries of war and a very destructive plague.
>>519438294ottoman empire happened those turkroaches surpressed arabic ruling capability much worse then westerners also the middle east was no longer in the center of the world since europe can just go around africa and to americas
>>519444486From what I remember, Hittites have few written records because they used clay tablets and wrote in cuneiform, the same as Sumerians, so it's exceptional difficult to translate (or even to find surviving records).Most of what was written down was either to keep record of storage (how many pots, how many sheep, slaves, barley etc) or administrative things.We know however that it was the Hittites who wrote the world's first peace treaty (with egypt), which also included and attempt at joining their empires through marriage.
>>519442815We wuz scientists If i conqure Harvard does that make me a professor?
>>519443779I'm not discounting the enlightenment. All I'm saying is the major change the people's north of Northern Europe experienced was a change in religion. Otherwise they are same people, same place as BC
>>519439377checked and true , basically mongol invasion and right after it turkish conquest for centuries led to them dying out
>>519447389also middle east was quite centralized because it had lower population to europe and had rich cities with hundreds of thousands of people living "baghdad had 1mil wich was a great achievement at the time" but baghdad got absolutely destroyed by the mongols , and europe got lucky only russia and poland got affected in europe
>>519438294brown skin = no soul = can't reason
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The middle east is too far away from the new world to maintain its relevance as a crossroads of trade. Have you never played EU4?
>>519438588Shut up, NiggeR.
>>519438294It does beckon the question how did those pajeet savages ever learn math and learn how to build those giant palaces for the sultans and king? I say it was asian and caucasian mixbred DNA in it which gave those savages the ability to build better than medieval times. It does beckon the question how did the modern 69 IQ pajeet ever build something when their fellow 69 IQers the africans never ever had civilizations.It beckons the question further why didn't those fucking persian scum take over the entirety of Africa instead of Europe. It does beckon the question how did they survive without proper bread/wheat, potatoes, etc.But make no mistake: outside of maths & engineering they are an invasionary opportunistc barbaric species just like the huns and the mongols who steal everything and pretend its their own.I guess the huns and mongols never settled in Europe cause they didn't have a degenerate culture about breeding like bugs like the asians and indians do.Also make no mistake that if Egypt, Sparta, Greece were separate on their own continent(America) then we would have reached the stars by year 0 or lessIt's very very unfortunate that America wasn't populated by white people initially. Imagine the results of having an entire continent to yourself devoid of enemies.
>>519448190> it had lower population to europeMeanwhile Sparta & Greece with their 30k against Persia's 500k-800k, you can't explain that.
>>519438294They ate pork they cleaned their ass with the wrong hand, were to hairy on practiceThe role of the "survelliance state" was remove the glamour from the non shaved non pressurized and 3d scanned to just not existWhy my reign of terror started with hairy pits
>>519443664I never cared for history as a kid cause it doesn't give me some magical knowledge to create a black plague that doesn't affect me, but affects a specific group of people.And also because as you've clearly shown here ancient history is devoid of details and it's fucking boring since historians only care about MUH LAND & KANGZ >Hittites and Egypt and Myceneans collapsed due to climate change (causing drought that led to mass migration and plundering).UH huh and totally not because those Turkroaches invaded Egypt, albeit Egypt was also a dumbass who came knocking at their door and didn't build a war neither did the kill the southern africans so the Hittittes don't take advantage of the niggers and let them pilllage Egypt. Same for all the burnt papyrus.I look at 2025 now when there are no longer disputes over territory and the war is much more intricate, psychological and subsersive with sneaky tactics ... how will historians look at us now that there's no more territory grabs and kings? Will they finally grow the fuck up and tell the real version of history?
>>519438294Invasion by northern tribes...bronze age collapse...sea peoples. Open a fucking book OP
>>519438294Jews
>>519450218>Meanwhile Sparta & Greece with their 30k against Persia's 500k-800k, you can't explain that.I canThe Greeks lied. Massively. Read Hans Delbruck: Warfare in the Ancient World, specifically the chapter on the reliability of reported numbers of combatants in any given battle. The number of Persians given at the Battle of Issus, for example, couldn't fit on the plain of Issus. There's literally not enough room. The numbers given of Persians invading Greece under Xerxes are so ridiculously huge that the rearguard would not have left Babylon at the time the vanguard was entering Greece, even if they had Prussian marching discipline and roads good enough to take 8-men wide columns. The numbers are absurd. A better assessment: Alexander was likely only every outnumbered twice and then not by much and he had a superior army. The rest of the time Alexander actually had numerical superiority PLUS a superior army
>>519450746>Invasion by northern tribesYes the Hyksos Set worshippers, who were Jews. Exodus is about the expulsion of the Hyksos (Jews) from Egypt
>>519438294They were destroyed by the byzantine and persian empires, many were finished even before Christianity. After the Islamic conquests, the umayyad and later the abbasids did well on different levels and established some notable cities. Then the Muslim world started crumbling because of khariji/shia revolts as well as externally the crusaders and their pagan allies from Asia, despite some successes like by the almoravids and the ayyubids. Once the Muslims stopped the ilkhanids in Damascus in the 14th century, the militaristic spirit started to vanish. Islam did still spread in sea and the northern Caucasus but those conquests weren't by the sword. Once the battlefield consisted of frail looking musketeers and generals with big flamboyant hats + artyspam, most of the Muslims lost interest in warfare except maybe for the ottomans and their pirates untill adolf and his boys made it look kind of cool again.
>>519451159Or Greece is just ye know 5% of Europe. Sparta & Greece were dumb enough to not ask for help from the rest of Europe because Europe didn't fucking exist, there was no Britain, Germany, France, Spain to ask for help. In order to ask for help you'd need a united Europe or 200 different translators for each tribe in Europe to ever defeat Persia. The Middle East is practically a continent and Greece is just 1 small country just like Egypt just like Sparta/Rome/Italy. I do not put into question the asians and middle eastern's ability to breed exponentially, they've always been known to be many.
>>519452155>I do not put into question the asians and middle eastern's ability to breed exponentially, they've always been known to be many.The size of the country and the size of the population though are no guarantee of relative strength. Which seems counterintuitive.Delbruck explains you need to consider first two factors: type of government and main methods of agriculture.Delbruck noted when writing his history of warfare in medieval times that medieval arms were uniformly SMALL. The reason for that being: FEUDALISM as the standard form of government. Feudalism put military skill in the hands of your knightly elites and kept most of your manpower tied to the land. Even more so if the agriculture was very labour intensive. Feudal armies couldn't levy that many peasants to fight before threatening agricultural collapse so they stuck to the elite knights, their men-at-arms and however many peasants and mercenaries they could scrape together to round out the numbers. Persia, though it's empire was vast, was FEUDAL and we see in the orders of battle that knightly elites feature heavily, as do mercenaries and then there's whatever peasants they could spare. Except these numbers were massively inflated by Greek historians for propaganda purposes. The makeup of their armies was distinctly FEUDAL and because of that, likely not so large. Doubtful the Persians ever assembled more than 60,000 men in one place. Greece on the other hand relied mainly on goat herding, olive farming and cheese making. All things you could put in the hands of women so men could go away and fight for extended periods. Greeks could raise more soldiers per capita than feudal Persia. Meaning they could meet them on more or less equal terms.This also explains the endless inter city wars of the Greeks, they could knock the shit out of each other for the better part of any given year leaving their women to run things back home.
