How do you really feel about the Zuttening? This might be the most significant development in Islam in the recent times. Does it change your opinion on religion? Clearly you cannot look at things the same anymore?Btw I denounce the talmud and I don't give a fuck about any abrahamic religions, i think they're all a disease, so don't call me a jew you fucking retards
1pbtid Forced JIDF spam meme because Israel lost war in Gaza
sharty lost, qa is no more
Apparently muslims are actually triggered hard, since they seethed and made picrel ^^^
>>519538129Retard
>>519538129the thread was less than a minute old... no shit there's one fucking post KEK.https://youtu.be/iEe_eraFWWs ETERNAL ZUTT THEMEI of course vehemently denounce: the talmud, torah, quran (besides ZUTT), and vishnu. i also love and adore my beautiful blue eyes.
>>519538199Islam can never recover from this
>>519538070Lol no muslim knows about it and even if you tell them they will either say it's propaganda or behead you
>>519538070Look I like a good troll but that’s all this is. The hadith which is being referenced with this translation of “mounting” is 1) not considered hadith canon (chain of narration is questionable) 2) the use of the arabic word which translates to “mounting’ is idiomatic and not meant to be literal
Muhammad (pajeets cum upon him) started the religion that made homosexuality normative in the middle east and i really dont think theres anything wrong with that. in fact its pretty fucking gay that that muslims and the middle east only started executing fags after heavy western european influence during the decline of the ottoman empire. The turks decriminalized homosexuality ffs! they used to be on the cutting edge of progressive society. now this practice is relegated to tribal afghanis, even though it was the prophet himself who partook in boypussy and had his own ass blasted several times.
>>519538601Point 1 is pure cope thats how they treat every hadith they dont like the meaning of. Point 2 is wrong as the word is used to imply sex from around the same time period, i believe in other hadiths even. Many languages have similar uses for their words for 'mounting' or 'riding' going back thousands of years.
>>519538070The damage is done, people will always have this on their sleeve even if there's some complicated explanation, "and your prophet fucks niggers"
>>519538601That’s pure cope. Mounting is a sexual euphemism. You could argue he’s mounted in the sense of “possessed” as in demonic; but is that really much better for a prophet? As to the chain of narration issue, the entire Hadith method is garbage. But to trash the entire Hadith collections is cutting the nose off to spite your face.
>>519538601t. coping zutt loverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCYh7TcKUwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtTYxxmVpvAboth "ride" and "mount" are used as sexual euphemism in arabic, just like every other languageif the zutt were just crowding around mohammed, why would his servant sit down to protect himself? that makes no sense
>>519538601https://zutted.com/
Why was he so exhausted, bros?
>>519538780I just don’t want to be led like a jackass and spreading weak arguments in opposition to Islam. There are many other areas to attack that have substantial damning evidence and don’t build an argument on no official canon. This is like muslims using the Nag Hammadi texts to discredit Christian doctrine.
So, what IS their official cope about it?
>>519539207they blame those with smooth hands
>>519539133No it isnt this is like people reinterpreting the new testament in a way the catholic church doesn't approve of. The hadiths are supposed to be canon, but imams pick and choose which ones they like or not depending on how valuable it is to them politically and culturally. Thus we get this cope about "chain of narration" for specifically every hadith they dont immediately agree with. You will never see them cope like this about hadiths that encourage fucking children or drinking camel piss.
>>519538070I think Muslims rationalize it by claiming it's mistranslated. But it just sounds SO fucking gay. Like the sandnigger that wrote it must have known what he was writing sounded like a gay orgy. You'd think he'd be a bit more cautious when writing about how Muhammad met up with 5 dudes in the desert. But nope, mounting, riding, and hiding his ass in the sand.
>>519539133Islam is easy to debunk in a plethora of ways but ridicule is far more powerful than you'd expect. A Muslim imagining his holy prophet get railed by a bunch of brownoids is likely to have way more impact via emotional appeal than some technical argument.>>519539207The cope is in the zutted.com video where they basically say the Indians were actually supernatural beings called djinn as if that somehow makes it any better. Not to mention it doesn't work.
>>519538601>1) not considered hadith canon (chain of narration is questionable)let's see...the isnad chain is>abdullah ibn mas'udsahaba (companion)>amr al-bakalisahaba (companion)>tarif ibn majlad al-sulamitabi'i (follower), thiqah (trustworthy)>sulayman ibn tarkhan al-taymithiqah (trustworthy), abid (devout worshipper)>mu'tamir ibn sulayman al-taymithiqah (trustworthy), saduq (truthful)>affan ibn muslim al-bahilithiqah (trustworthy), thabt (firm in transmission)>muhammad ibn al-fadl al-sadusithiqah (trustworthy)that's more trustworthy than hafs' recitation of the quran that you use.
>>519539133you shouldn't be using the zutt meme to argue against islamthere are plenty of better arguments if you are actually trying to get someone out of that retarded religionthe quaranic dilemma, the incorrect plagarism of stories from the torah, the complete lack of logic, etc.look up David Wood, Raymond Ibrahim, Shariq Khan on youtubethe zutt story is just fucking embarrassing and gay
>>519538129It isn't forced if it is funny. And your prophet getting buttfucked by a gang of shit goblins is hilariously funny.
>>519539415It's the religion of "Anal Jihad." If they rationalize it that just make them closet fags.
ZUTT GENERAL!NEW ZUTT THREAD!>>519538921>>519538921>>519538921>>519538921>>519538921
>>519539580Demoralization is a pretty effective way to control people. Governments spend millions of dollars on psyops designed to demoralize groups of people. Most normies don't give a fuck about logical consistency but they will 100% change their behavior if it's seen as gay.
>>519539580also forgotMecca wasn't even a small village during the time of mohammedthere is no evidence Abraham ever went there, or that it even existed as anything but desert during his timeislam is completely lacking in historic authenticity, while archeology continues to verify stories and details from the bible
>>519539836i'll never be against people sharing how gay and retarded islam is, im just saying if you are dealing with someone you actually respect and want to come to the truth, don't start with>allah is satan and your gay false prophet is a faggot retardbecause that might not be that effective
>>519539580chat gpt response:Key Points:• It is not found in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim.• It may appear in later or less rigorously authenticated collections, and even then, often with weak (da'if) or problematic isnads (chains of narration).• The language and imagery in the report are ambiguous and controversial, especially the phrase"mounted him", which may be metaphorical or distorted in transmission.• Classical scholars like Ibn Hajar, al-Dhahabi, or In al-Jawzi do not consider this narration part of the sound hadith corpus.This fucker started out our initial inquiry into the zutt as a complete fabrication and not a hadith but when pressed further, spat this out. Are we sure jews are coding chatgpt?
>>519540001that was basically how nu-atheism came about in the 2010'sthey didn't have amazing new argumentation, atheist scholars all shit on dawkins' stupid bookyet it gave us gay marriage, pregnant men and transexual elementary schoolers
>>519540001Yes I think that's true. But I'd also say if you actually respect them don't bring that shit up unless they are in the beginnings of a conversion or something. All it will do is make them hate you even if you bring it up in a respectful way.
>>519540295>• It is not found in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim.>• It may appear in later or less rigorously authenticated collectionsmusnad ahmad (850 AD)sahih bukhari (846 AD)sahih muslim (875 AD)>often with weak (da'if) daif means it passes, mardud is the term for rejected hadith>or problematic isnads (chains of narration).the chain is very strong >>519539528>Classical scholars like Ibn Hajar, al-Dhahabi, or In al-Jawzi do not consider this narration part of the sound hadith corpus.one of the 4 major schools of sunni islam is the hanbali, and this collection is the founder's (ahmad ibn hanbal)
>>519540295it also always put (pbuh) when you are trying to research mohammedgayI is of satan, same god as the jews and muslims>>519540311not quite sure what your message is here, anonim just saying in 1-on-1 conversation, there are more respectful and logical arguments against pisslamonline, though, make sure to post all the gay and retarded shit so those people see itsorry if i misunderstand you>>519540371yes, id only shit on how gay and retarded their shit is long after they have started to doubt and look into the nonsense themselvesfirst off, most muslims don't know anything about islam. they're not really allowed to ask questions or study for themselvessecond, we talk about how left faggots have the mind virus and are completely brainwashed, but there is no person more brainwashed than a muslim. their entire culture is designed around itonly the crystal logic of truth and the Holy Spirit of God can pierce that conditioning
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>>519540558>one of the 4 major schools of sunni islam is the hanbali, and this collection is the founder's (ahmad ibn hanbal)aka, the dude that had to sit down on his ass so he didn't get booty blasted by the zutt
>>519540921my friend converted to islam some time ago and now he wont talk to me because im a faggot, and hes also a quranist that doesnt follow hadithsexplain that one to me
>>519541307>explain that one to meif you're a homosexual you should stop itif he's a muslim he should stop itnot sure what you're looking for here
>>519541830>if you're a homosexual you should stop itim not going to bow down to archaic and dim christian values, the pinnacles of western civilization regularly indulged in boypussy alongside fucking their wives. you want to talk about brainwashing but there is no difference between the bible and the quran in that respect and how its affected the societies that have adopted it.
>>519540558But even if this hadith is authentic why must you insist that this is about some homoerotic fantasy? To me it reads like there were some kind of evil djinn that were attempting possession. Anyway, you can slander our religion as much as you want but it's just willful ignorance on your part. You know that this hadith doesn't mean what you are saying it means. Even in your religion, promoting ignorance is sinful. You should remember that belief is just that. Belief. We could all be wrong. But if you're wrong and we're right do you really want to pay for this ignorance in the hereafter? You want to believe so badly that our religion endorses faggotry when it's you Christians and kikes that put the fag flag on your churches/temples. Any mosque doing something like that would be outright rejected by the community. A gay Muslim is an oxymoron. But gay Christians and gay Jews are reality.
>>519542319for the vast majority of time that islamic caliphates existed it was totally ok to fuck young beardless men in the greek style. literally nobody cared as long as you still had a wife. the ottomans even decriminalized it during the tanzimat reforms. point to me where in the quran it is explicitly wrong to be gay.
>>519538070I'm a life long muslim and I've been in the closet my whole life but now since learning even the Prohpet (PBUH) himself took black dick and enjoyed it, I can finally come out as a muslim homosexual inshallah!
Mo Brown and the Seven Zutts
>>519542207>proud faggotok, what do you want?if you don't want to accept Christ and the truth of the bible, what are you asking me?>im not going to bow down>except for penis in my buttkek>>519542319there is no such thing as a gay Christianare you pretending there are no people that call themselves muslim but go against islam?there is no hiding from what the al zutt story depictsit makes no sense in any other contexteven ignoring that hadith, mohammed routinely did other gay shit - being visited secretly at night by an 'angel' disguised as diyah al-kalib, sleeping with his head on men's laps, etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCYh7TcKUwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtTYxxmVpvACAPTCHA: GAYHRLMAO
>>519542319>But if you're wrong and we're right do you really want to pay for this ignorance in the hereafterif islam is true, as a Christian, i am going to get thrown into hell to pay for the sins of a muslim no matter what good or bad i do in this life. (pic)>You know that this hadith doesn't mean what you are saying it means.i'm not entirely sure, i honestly (honestly) think the explanation of the "manliness injection" that raymond ibrahim and dr. wood brought up and provided sources for makes sense.>A gay Muslim is an oxymoronmy position has never been that muhammad received the manliness injections out of a desire for homosexual gratification, he would've done it to better satisfy his 9 wives.
>>519540921So you are a Christian. Don't you know that your idea of Jesus didn't write the bible? Don't you know that it is a compilation of multiple writers some of which never even met Jesus? Don't you know that many of the bible stories are known fabrications? How could you be so arrogant about something with so much doubt. You're a joke of a human being. An unserious shit-stirrer.
>>519542828Wallahi I'm gonna call my friend Ranjeed tonight and tell him I want him to give it to me like I'm the Messenger of Allah (poo brown upon him) Takbir!!!
>>519543034>many of the bible stories are known fabrications?like what?
>>519538070Zutty
DONT LET THE ZUTTY SEE YOUR BOOTY
>>519543034>Don't you know that your idea of Jesus didn't write the bible?mohammed didn't write the quaranno Christian thinks Christ penned the gospels by hand>Don't you know that it is a compilation of multiple writers some of which never even met Jesus?every book is written by people that had personal experiences with Christ directly, they claim themselves to be eyewitnesses>Don't you know that many of the bible stories are known fabrications?like what?your dawah faggotry doesn't work here, zutt lover
>>519538070Infidels will suffer
this is the same as the whole mark 14:51 thing in the new testament.
>>519538601no the word riding means in a sexual way, it even says he is sore afterwards (lol), nice try though
>>519543506i don't think it's at all similar.>there was a νεανίσκος (guy under age 40) in the crowd who had his clothes ripped off as he was running away! therefore buttsex!
Its pretty mind blowing that kafir chuds would attempt another shameless forced meme like goatfucker. Muslims don't actually own goatsWhereas white women actually own dogs, and fuck them, even sucking them off (!)
>>519538070>1) The hadith is weakIt's narrated by Sayyidina Ibn Mas‘ud, this is THE most reliable narrator in Islam. He's functionally an apostle to Muslims and the great translator of the Quran because Muhammad was illiterate. The chain of transmission is sahih which is the highest grade imaginable. The collection of hadiths it is from is the Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal compiled by Ahmad ibn Hanbal he's a scholar that was a teacher to Al-Bukhari who more or less created the bedrock of Sunni Islam, his work is considered to be second only to the Quran.>2) I only observe the QuranThis is apostasy, by Muslims' own admission the Quran does not work on its own and they lose almost all of their practices and culture without hadiths.>3) They were jinn, this was the night of the jinn.A complete hallucination, if they were jinn that were crowding around Muhammad like they claim the text would have just said so.https://sunnah.com/ahmad:1435Like the above hadith for instance.The hadiths don't tell a story, they're accounts. The night of the jinn was a separate event that Abdullah was not even present for.https://sunnah.com/muslim:450a>4) Semantics bullshitRide has had a sexual connotation even back then (picrel) and their semantic argument boils down to Muhammad actually giving piggyback rides to Al-Zutt tribals who are often cited to be very lean and have big dicks. Either that or they pile on him for some reason. In any case, he comes back tired and in pain from how much they "rode" him in the end. Muslims will invent 300 definitions for their word for 'ride' and take every context except for the obvious.
>>519538852They only wrote a cue source without writing a proper gospel. Waited 200 years when they had many enemies and willing to accept any story about him. I am sorry but this is what you get for being stuck with a Muslim Talmud to understand your religion. The Bible is enough for many Christians. The rest just use few extrabiblical sources that aren't really needed that much. Sola Scriptura isn't workable with Islam.
>>519543506nice try, zutt lover. they are nothing alikesee >>519543685
>>519543204Well here's one:https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/byvsym/let_him_who_is_without_sin_cast_the_first/Like I said if random unknown people are just writing whatever they want in your holy book, don't you think that enough to question it? I am not a retard quranist and I recognize that there is some shakiness and opinions when it comes to the hadiths, but there is a strong tradition of memorizing the Quran in its original language since the start of Islam as a distinct religion. You Christians have no such tradition. And as such have had many modifications and insertions into the bible. You dont understand how much is lost in translation either by accident or on purpose. Just look at how the Schofield Bible was used to brainwash Americans into Jew worship.
>>519538070Bibi psyslop He couldn't get the Palestinas out of Gaza gets ass kicked in war by them >What do? Makes a focus group to try and save face from all the online hate >Hitler was right btw (stupid ass commercial) Btw bibi you have spat on the grave of all the Jews murdered by the nazisFocus group come up with zutted.com bullshit to move focus from Isreal making them look ridiculous the story is simply a means of a misdirection of hate towards them time to hate them more evil fucking Jews synagogue of Satan bastards Part 1
>>519538601oh, so meta physical piggy back rides? What the hell does riding mean?
>>519538129How exactly did the kikes lose? I thought they were committing a genocide?
>>519538601Why did the prophet put his head in the lap of another grown man? Is that a normal behavior in Islamic culture?
>>519543731wollah you know and I know we've all fucked a goat at least once in our life. As sure as the prophet got mounted by a pack of niggers we fuck goats mohammed.
>>519543685if only men were present (which they were since they were in essentially a public park after dark), they would strip down because it was fucking hot. Men worked naked or nearly naked because you had one piece of cloth for a cloak that you didn't want to shit up. It basically reads "guy was walking around in flip flops and gym shorts and he ran so hard his pants fell down".
>>519544037https://youtu.be/LNBueIqyqvc?si=T9CwpS30lZfOCyrdPart 2 it's always them bros the evil Jews Synagogue of Satan
>>519544174It is normal behavior for them
>>519544189>Indian confessing his misdeedsAstaghfirallah
>>519542561>it was totally ok to fuck young beardless men in the greek styleMakes sense if that's how they imagine Allah to look like
>>519538129Sir you are lower than a pajeet. We will conquer the islamic world we are already conquering America.
>>519543034Matthew and John were Jesus' disciples. Mark and Luke met them. 2 first hand accounts and 2 second hand accounts. Better than some schitzo in a cave 600 years later. Why couldn't you write the adventures of Mohammed when people who knew him were still alive? He became so mythical with so many versions in 200 years that you couldn't come up with a coherent account everyone would recognize.
>>519544744why does your hand have poop on it
>>519543991>read this reddit linkbleh.the pericope adulterae is not actually a "known fabrication" but a canonical inclusion rooted in early manuscript traditions, though absent in the earliest extant greek manuscripts.>have had many modifications and insertions into the biblelonger ending of mark and the pericope adulterae, that's it.neither these 2 or the tiny scribal errors you could bring up affect any core Christian doctrine as ehrman and metzger say.
>>519538070Based. Everyone can see what muhammed really was.
>>519544837Nobody cares about chutiya allah now
>>519539133You're brown, don't careWe will destroy Islam from this world through ridicule and you can not stop it because it is a ridiculous religion
>>519538070>Any muslim anons here?Yes but I’m white Catholic, I count as muslim though because when i a wee lad my Bangla muslim mate asked me to recite the shahada in arabic and promised allah would get me a nintendo gamecube and I did so I am actually a secret muslim. >How do you feel about the zuttening?What is the zuttening? Is this a new meme?
>>519544862There is a theory that Mark originally ended with the women Jesus' tome empty. Then what happened after got added later. The long version seems to be copied off of Luke. And Mark added the short version later. Someone stuck with an older copy without it just added the Luke ending. Look up the long and short version of Jeramiah. Short version wound up in an early Greek translation and is in some modern Bibles. It looks like he wanted to add some extra poetry to his prophetic verses a few years later in a 2nd addition. Some authors do this. Then there are 1 edition copies around that are noticeably different.
forced memefake hadith everyone posting it will go to hell
>>519545925Mohammed is in hell.
>>519543734Yeah the more I look into this, it seems like something muslims would not want to escape the echelons of the initiated and fully indoctrinated. Because those at that level, see nothing the prophet has done to be in error but also realize how outside of their purview, could be used to cause harm.
>>519543734Delete this or you're getting bombed
>>519543734Saved
>>519545925>forced meme>fake hadith >everyone posting it will go to hell
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>>519539069Gay sex for hours will do that to anyone. Straight sex isn't as exhausting because women are weak and soft.
>>519543734Wait hold up, I have to play devil’s advocate here. Let’s say this is true, that the Islamic prophet was gang-raped by a group of mysterious ‘zutt’ people or whatever. So what? If the point of the criticism is to try and decrease Muhammad’s legitimacy as a prophet, then being victim to a gang rape doesn’t suffice. Do you know how many recognised saints throughout Catholicism or Orthodoxy had been raped? Dozens. What does being raped have to do with delegitimising prophecy or prophecy? I don’t recognise Islam’s Muhammad as a prophet either, but reaching for anal rape stories is a poor way to go about it. And no, not to appease muslims or being afraid to offend, but theologically, even if it were true, it doesn’t nullify prophet status at all because there’s been many saints and prophets in Christendom that had endured similar or worse to a zuttening, and they still get recognised as martyrs or saints.So how does this effect Muhammad’s claim? Unless muslims themselves would denounce Muhammad for being victim to a rape?
>>519546999Prophet enjoyed it, that's the difference.
>>519546999Muslims are so evil and proud that this is what gets to them. Mohammed was gangraped for your sins!
>>519538070Mohamet got mounted proper like! Woohoo all aboard the Zutt train
>>5195469991. He liked it2. It's funny3. Catholics aren't Christian4. It makes Muslims seethe5. Abdullah had an anti-seabear circle, pretty funny
>>519538070ZUT ALORS !!this is the besthttp://www.google.com/search?q=prophet+of+doom+craig+winn
>>519538070hadith not found in both sahihs it's also conflicted in both musnads that is mentioned in musnad ahmad and musnad al-thirmidi there is also a conflict as in sahih muslim you have a more authentic hadith saying :from ibn masud himself :“The Messenger of Allah ﷺ went with a group of the Jinn. I was not with him that night.”"
