What's the worst cases of media manipulation?
>>519606184what manipulation am i supposed to see here?
>>519606184MOVERuby RidgeWacoIraq war 2003
>>519606184They faked the moon landings 6 different times on Live television and remotely controlled cameras is the only proof we have
>>519606345no they didnt.
>>519606184I'd say the holocaust is worse than the moon landing. At least most people realize the moon landing is fake, even at the time polls showed like 50% of the western population didn't buy it. Most people believe the holololocaust tho, even though they didn't even bother faking any footage of it like they did with the moon faggotry.
>>519606227You're "supposed" to see a camera being panned to follow the lander launching off the moon by a remote control. What you are actually seeing is studio footage ostensibly produced for training purposes and then passed off as the real thing.
>>519606419its actual footage from the moon, there is nothing wrong with it, are you retarded or something?let me guess- earth is flat, too?
>>519606231>MOVECare to explain? I think both of the sieges were pretty well covered and everyone unanimously hated Johnny Africa, save a few bleeding heart loudmouths.
>>519606502>its actual footage from the moonLOL
>>519606370Come on bro. They did not pull off a daring moon landing and successfully film it let alone drive around a fucking vehicle use your brain. Their original account was so extremely risky it’s bullshit to believe they made it even riskier the fact they had to provide film to prove their bullshit hoax is proving
>>519606552I love how the horizon disappears after a hundred feet kek
>>519606565We had to make it riskier anon. The geologists demanded blooooood.Well... they demanded better field studies and more collecting anyways.
>>519606502Look at it again with a critical mind instead of with childish wonder, it's so obviously fake. If that doesn't help, look at Space X launches and compare both of them.Either way, you're the retard here, good day
>>519606552lol what? looks fine to me. >>519606565>They did not pull off a daring moon landing and successfully film it of course they did, what makes you think its impossible to land on the moon?
>>519606565so your argument is simply that you cant believe it? interesting.
>>519606660I-it's... a h-hill.>>519606688>lol what? looks fine to me. Yeah, but you're a 90IQ pole, bro.
>>519606674>Look at it again with a critical mindok i just did, looks fine to me, and not fake.
>>519606669Nah footage is fake as hell. Just because it’s the moon doesn’t mean their is no view distance. Why is the horizon literally less than 100 feet away? I’m not convinced at all.
>>519606732Alrighty then, try not to choke on your dino nuggets tonight
>>519606729>im a norwegian flat earther5 IQ take, lmao. what makes you think its impossible to land on the moon?
>>519606184(((Human's rights)))
>>519606734>>519606770what makes you think its impossible to land on the moon?also, post this sentence: i denounce the talmud and the torah.
>>519606734Because they're surrounded by hills and mountains, and craters.
>>519606813I don't think the earth is flat. Fuck off. I just don't believe jews landed on another planetary body in a clothes rack with cardboard and foil taped to it.
>>519606734its a slightly raised area (a hillock if you will) on a fairly level area. what happens if your camera cant see over the hillock? thats right....thats s far as it can see
All of it
>>519606718No. It’s that is so unbelievable they had to make it more unbelievable by adding a remote control camera “ “ and a fuckkng lunar buggie? And they say now we don’t have the technology to go back. It’s bullshit like everything on the tv screen. They’ve been brainwashing people with the television since it’s inception. When the radio played war of the worlds with no context americans literally thought aliens invaded earth. That’s how retarded the masses are they will believe anything as long as it’s on a tv screen.
>>519606874post this sentence:i denounce the talmud and the torah.
>>519606874i dont think any of the apollo guys were jews
>>519606933We do have the technology to go back. But money.
>>519606935I denounce the talmud and the torah. The quran and all the other semite bullshit too. As well as the gay and fake moon landing.>>519606936No idea about that. Jews were in charge of the US government at the time tho, so it's their prestige project.
>>519606848What do you mean "think"? I look at that video and every fiber of my being immediately goes>lmao u fucking serious, niggers?
>>519606848Holy fuck the irony of asking me to denounce the Talmud when the moon landing footage is about as Talmudic as you can get. Literally directed by Steven Spielberg
>>519607000Stanley Kubrick.
>>519606867How convenient
>>519606933>make it more unbelievable by adding a remote control camerawhy is that unbelievable? its fairly simple electronics.>a fuckkng lunar buggieagain...whats so hard about that? have you ever looked into how it was designed and built and operated? doing so might make it seem less mysterious to you.>And they say now we don’t have the technology to go backthats not what they say at all. its just that they shut down the production of it all, and are currently in the process of designing and building brand new stuff for different kinds of missions. its not that hard to understand
>>519606978>>519606981>>519607000its a very simple question:why do you think its impossible to land on the moon?
>>519607072I have no idea whether it's possible to land on the moon. I assume it's possible, why wouldn't it be?I don't think there are spotlights on the moon tho.
>>519607072Because what it he DIDNT have breakfast, today?
>>519607026That's where some of the best rocks are. Ejecta spray from ancient impacts, mountain formations, potential ancient volcanic activity, areas where you can get into the deepest part of the crust and therefore likely the oldest.
>>519606345other than the evidence they left on the moon that we can observe, obviously.
>>519607135please tell me you think those shadows are wrong. please.
>>519607135They did bring little spotlights on multiple missions.
>>519607216
>>519607035Still not convinced. It happened all under one administration. A stack of lies is like a house of cards, once one lie comes crashing down nothing holds up anymore and the entire house falls down. Even if it did happen the amount of hypocrisy, cover ups, scandals, reality television, psyops, engineered crisis, social experiments etc etc indicates that it’s bullshit. When we finally do go to the moon and the technology they use is much different not a fucking Tin can strapped with aluminum, you’ll see how absurd it sounds that they went before
>>519607216Why shouldn't you kill yourself?
>>519607135please look
>>519607072When did I say that? I said the original missions are bullshit.
>>519607072It's logistically impossible for humans to go to the moon. You can't even help people stuck in a cave on Earth.
>>519607285Yes... you're using a near light source... a spot light.
>>519607240>>519607269i meant "please dont tell me you think they are wrong'because they are fine>>519607240see >>519607285
>>519606227What >>519606419 said but I can't see any effect of barrel distortion that would be caused by a camera tilting upwards and I'd say that it was a static wide angle shot that they then cropped and panned up in post. The moon landings were massively fake and gay regardless of these details however. >>519606502
>>519607342no. its set for the sun. try actually watching it
>>519607343>>519607379Obviously they are wrong. No idea what you're on about.
>>519607135>>519607286>uhhh its possible, but im a retard i dont understand pictures>the lander doesnt look like a battleship from warhammer so the moon landings were fakelol>>519607321>It's logistically impossible for humans to go to the moon.of course its possible, its also way easier than helping niggers to learn how to farm crops to stop starving to death.
>>519606184depends how you measure worst, do we gauge it by deaths resulting, how far removed are symptoms from the event, policy, social, international changes, today's "worst" is also just tomorrow's "hold my beer" moment.
>>519607343Nono, answer my question first. Ask yourself this:Why shouldn't you kill yourself?>>519607072You too! Ask yourself and answer me: Why shouldn't you kill yourself?
>>519607362>im a moron i dont understand how any of this workssounds like a you problem.
>>519607407>lolIndeed.
>>519607362it was quite zoomed in at the beginiing because the LRV was parked several 100m away. he panned out a bit as the LM ascended, but how are you going to see distortion where there are no straight lines to judge it by.do you really think that a remote controlled camera was impossible? you can find hours and hours of footage of it being used as the two guys were hopping around in their suits. it was remote controlled during all their EVA, not just for the launch shot.
>>519607407It's fake and gay, just like your mutilated dick
i bet all of you moon landing deniers are antivaxxers also, so edgy and cool skeptics.how about the international LLR experiments, why wouldn't the Soviets debunk the landing if it were fake?
>>519607411seethe>>519607460nice picture from the moon.which pixels do you think are fake, because you are a dumbass that doesnt understand anything?
>>519607399no they aren't. you just have zero experience understanding how the real world looks when rendered in 2d in a photo.
>>519607407Anon until there is another moon mission televised from the fucking moon in year 2025 and beyond. When technology is 10000x more advanced than it was in the 70s. You will forever look retarded. Until that day then we will look retarded but probably not because we aren’t going to the moon anytime soon
>>519607537>abloo bobo ablooo agoogooseethe
>>519607544>why wouldn't the Soviets debunkThe Soviets were run by jews since the bolshevik revolution, just like the US was run by jews since the fed was created.Why would the jewish leadership in Soviet call out their cousins the jewish leadership in the US?
>>519607558>nice picture from the moon.Well, the two spotlights in that picture shouldn't really be on the moon, no?
>>519607587Just a fact. America is a land of mutilated cattle, and their rulers are notorious liars. None of them have real capabilty beyond lying.
>>519607580>um um um um retarded retarded retarded landing retarded uh uh lmao seetheif they landed today, and you had a 4k footage of the landing, you'd just say its AI, lmao.
>>519607558Come on, it's an easy question. Surely you can make at least one logical answer to it. Right?Why don't you kill yourself?
>>519607647>there are pixels i dont understand on this picture because im a fucking moronlmao
>>519607660I doubt they'll go back to the moon. They'll probably do a mars mission tho, with lots of CGI and AI, yeah.
>>519607610you are pathological, retard
RETARD THREAD
>>519607665why would i?im super happy, wealthy, and generally just fucking awesome.
>>519607610Plus all the worlds leaders run psyops together, that’s what Ukraine is a massive meatgrinder agreement made with a handshake between oligarch Jews Zelensky and Putin and the west to clear out land for blackrock investors for new smart cities. Good way to get rid of whites as well.
>>519607705lmao
>>519607647what two spotlights? explain
>>519607443Sounds like you don't understand any of it bigger.>>519607530No I don't think that a remote control camera was impossible but if you know what you're looking at, the camera never moved, tilted or did any other likewise shit.
>>519607701>i'll just call everyone morons that will surely workKek, this works better over on pleddit and badastronomy where you can ban people along with the ad homs.Here you can't really stop people from posting pictures from the moon landing like you can there.
>>519606227A 1pbtid thread
>>519607763The two spots of light? One around the astronaut being taken a picture of, and one around the one reflected in his visor.
>>519606184
>>519607660Well they can’t even get away with creating an ai moon landing Anon. Too many eyes on them now. Too many internet autists. But anyways anyone who thinks the footage is real is completely btfo by the fact we haven’t been back despite technology rapidly advancing
>>519606345Space is fake.
>>519607774of course i do, thats why im not posting retarded dumbass shit that the moon landing was faked. >>519607780nice picture from the moon, what pixels from it dont you understand?did you expect it to look like a super duper heavily armored battlecruiser from starcraft or something?
>>519606345Earth is flat.
>>519607732You know that's not true. Try again. Happy people don't waste their time on 4chin pol debating moonlandings. You're wealthy compared to whom? Bums? Has anyone actually told you you were/are awesome? Do you think it was genuine or perhaps they just wanted something from you?
>>519606552Notice no particles hanging in the air? Because no atmosphere. They all follow a perfect parabolic trajectory
>>519606552how would you fake the dust, which could only behave that way in a vacuum?
>>519607909prove it. post a working map of flat earth.
>>519607887>did you expect it to look like a super duper heavily armored battlecruiser from starcraft or something?No, I had no particular expectations. I certainly didn't expect scotch tape tho.
>>519606552The moonlanding was faked in a film studio.
>>519607918tldr
>>519607920>>519607921Kek, shift rotation at NASA.
>>519607774of course it moved. how the hell could the frame be that big so as to capture the LM high up like that? the LRV would have had to be several miles away at least and you'd get no detail>>519607826thats the SUN ffs. explain how you think having two bright spotlights on wouldn't create double shadows on everything.
>>519607962Stanley Kubrick admitted this did he not?
>>519606565If the moonlanding was real, there would be gay bars on the moon by now.
>>519608014The sun doesn't create spots of light tho.
>>519606184Scottoh rote york rite adl bnai shit.brith and jewish zionist marxist and howard Hughes stole a few hundred billion with some of this going toward adjust a super secret imagianry fake space program another spruce ponzi potemkin boondoggle lying made up embezzlement scheme amd Pavlov himself with that blackbudget bullshit
Biden microphone
>>519606734The moonlanding was recorded in a film studio in norf london where the star wars was shot later.
>>519607962>implying kubrickNo such man ever lived you stupid kike. There isn't a single shred of evidence he walked the earth let alone singlehandedly faked an entire space program. Keep drinking the koolaid tho
>>519607965Who taught this polish retard how to use a computer?
>>519608082These dumbasses will tell you it’s on a hill. How convenient
>>519607941That's not normal adhesive tape. That's kapton tape, with a heat resistant adhesive. Which at the time was new, developed by DuPont.
>>519606874Of course, they didn't land on the moon. It's interesting that every single astronaut is a freakmason. Why do they need people tested for secret keeping abilities?
>>519607941>i didnt expect tapelet me educate you, then:they even put tape on passenger jet wings, and it works super fine. >bonus education>a passenger jet actually suffers from more turbulence and pressure than the moon landerthere ya go, some knowledge.
>>519608135It’s not hard to fake something with a tv screen Anon.
>>519608176>it's special space tape and cardboardKek, ok, whatever.>>519608196>they even put tape on passenger jet wings, and it works super fine. lol
How did they fit the rover into the capsule?
>>519608236Looks like something a toddler would design
>>519608211>he believes in the kubrick fabricationlmao keep carrying water for the kikes dumbshit
>>519608018Yes. Luciferians/freakmasons have to admit and confess everything to offset bad karma. It is part of their religion. Look at the NASA founder rocket scientists Werner von Braun's confession about space being fake on his tombstone.
>>519608282It was inflatable Anon
>>519608014>how the hell could the frame be that big so as to capture the LM high up like that? the LRV would have had to be several miles away at least and you'd get no detail>what is a wide angle lens?>>519607887Do you fucking poles ever stop seething over the most inane shit?
>>519608282Hmmm....
>>519608236It's actually mostly titanium alloy covered in aluminized thermal blanketing. No cardboard involved, because cardboard is heavy, weak, and would catch fire.
>>519608236lol what, sweetie?you didnt know they put duct tape on passenger jets wings?damn son, you're kinda dumb, arent ya.
>>519608312Keep falling for mk ultra psyops.
>>519608377Ok, if you believe in space hobo shacks flying around and landing on the moon, that's fine. You do you. I just don't believe in that.>>519608392>lol what, sweetie?kek
>>519608282NASA can be considered as a tax payer money embezzlement scheme. They take billions of dollars from tax payers and then they produce a few films in film studios and a few deep fake cgi photos of space/globe earth.
>>519606227Zero flame
>>519608435kek indeed, you didnt even know they use tape, what a fucking moron.
>>519608479Fireworks, tho.
>>519608282>How did they fit the rover into the capsule?Why "into"? They strapped it to the outside like suitcases on top of a station wagon.
>>519608479>>519608523why would there be flame?
>>519608403I'm not the one repeating jewish bullshit about an alleged jewish filmmaker who just so happened to not only singlehandedly craft the entire moon landing, but he also made a movie about jewish ritual child abuse with hollywood A listers before dying suspiciously before the movie could come out. If you believe any of that horseshit I've got a bridge to sell you holy fuck.
>>519607204You mean rocks lol.
>>519608523Shit looks like a scene from Star Wars
>>519608073read about it herehttps://moonhoaxdebunked.blogspot.com/2017/07/517-how-come-aldrin-looks-like-hes.html
>>519608524kek>>519608550Why would there be flash gordon fireworks fizzlers?
>>519608470best of all that no mechanical camera could work in space due to freezing temperatures yet they filmed everything like in studio even today most expensive cameras you can buy can operate in -20 degrees celzius while temperatures in space are close to absolute zero american losers just rushed production in desert so they "win" over USSR who actual beat them at it
>>519608586>https://moonhoaxdebunked.blogspot.com/2017/07/517-how-come-aldrin-looks-like-hes.html>There’s another problem with this conspiracy theory: the original photographs don’t show this spotlight effect. It only appears in the low-quality versions used by these theorists.Top fucking kek.
>>519606184>What's the worst cases of media manipulation?the holocaust
>>519607610Russians fake their space programmes too. It is an international project led by 33rd degree freakmasons in each country. Below that degree level, most space workers think what they work on is real.
lol another moon threadthis will get 404dbut they are fun while they last
>>519606184911 was #1 until corona and the theft of the 2020 election
>>519608597Yeah they totally thought >we are going to an inhospitable place which we might die on our way there let’s pack a fucking lunar river that we have to assemble on the moon in our space suits The lack of common sense here is mind numbing
>>519608282folds up. was a pretty neat designhttps://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000731.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNyRckuxnM&ysclid=mh3ehe5qws864564353
>>519606552Just a reminder we brought this thing on a module like Goofy's car from It's A Goofy Movie. Not a separate trip like Nasa proposed in recent years.
>>519608690What, you wouldn't go to the moon to ride dune buggies and play golf? What would you do up there then?
>>519608343>>what is a wide angle lens?go away troll>>519608647its true though. those are the ones that lying American Moon guy showed to the pro photographers too. not original prints - prints that have have their levels changed quite a bit.
>>519607921>which could only behave that way in a vacuum?watch Bill Cooper and kysdont get me wrong I believe we went to the moonjust not using 1920s rocket techand much of the footage is fake like this provably retarded rover that dumbfucks cant tell is just slowed down footage
Moon landing:>there and back in a week in the sixties when we didn't even have a pocket calculator>no other country has done it, ever>can't do it today, b/c we 'lost the technology'>12 pics and 4 rocks from the entire trip>press conference with astronauts was the most damning, all three were sheepish and embarrassed>still today with advanced photography, can't take a clear image of the flag we supposedly left there>the data tapes were erased and reused due to a data tape shortage in the 80s lol>and the other 300 pieces of evidence about lighting, tracks, shadows, lack of stars, etc.I wonder why they faked itI’m guessing:1) to make america look superior2) to get rich3) to make themselves look smart4) to get more funding5) to gain support due to morale fading from a lengthy Vietnam war6) to unite Americans7) to see how stupid the public is for future fleecing
>>519608789>its true though. those are the ones that lying American Moon guy showed to the pro photographers too. not original prints - prints that have have their levels changed quite a bit.I downloaded that picture from NASA's own apollo collection and adjusted the contrast.Your "debunker" site is just straight up lying.
>>519607965Why don't you kill yourself?
>>519608597>Why would there be flash gordon fireworks fizzlers?because thats enough to lift off, the moon has low gravity, if you farted strong enough if would eject you to the moons orbit.you really seem like an uneducated dumbass, its extremely fucking funny.
>>519608789You saar are one dumb faggot saar.
>>519608856>if you farted strong enough if would eject you to the moons orbitNow this is soicence.
>>519607558The Moon is not round or globe either. It is a plasma antenna dish that spreads/beams/transfers negative energies to Earth to keep us down. Those meteor craters on the Moon are not meteor craters, no meteor stone there. Those are impacts from human weapons from previous civilisations who knew that the Moon was something evil.
>>519608844checkedanything faked just means they are stealing most of the funds allegedly used for the project
>>519608179How many thousands of pictures do people need of certain public figures wearing clear secret society insignias and doing obvious hand signals, to start atleast asking some questions. You can't just forever ignore for example, a man who supposedly went to the moon running around for years giving interviews telling it's fake and doing weird ass hand signs no one would ever do. Then he conveniently shuts up after he is given a new hot young wife
>>519608844Who needs pocket calculators when you have slide rules you can wear like a math sword and feel like a wizard.
>>519607072This is massive cope.
>>519608973I mean, most people today realize the moon landings were faked. The true believers will never change their mind, they're too invested in their jew science fiction.
>>519608597>Why would there be flash gordon fireworks fizzlers?Not a rocket scientist, but some of the chemicals are their own oxidizers, and when they ignite it'd be visible.If it was all fake, why didn't the fucking commies tell the world as much? They would've wanted to embarrass the US. They were smart enough to do so.
>>519609136>>519607610
>>519607853Good one.Building 7 memoryholed after the first 12 hours, while we got to see the towers fall a few thousand times over the course of a week.A strong indicator that the media, as a whole, takes orders from the same source.It amazing that the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act and sudden shift from 24/7 coverage of Occupy Wall Street to 24/7 coverage of Trayvon/Zimmerman and idpol clown shit hasn't been mentioned ITT yet.
>>519609172Pull it.
>>519608789You know what? You and the pole seething so hard at the thought of the camera not being tilted on site and seemingly not being able to comprehend the process of panning in post got me thinking. You're trying to dismiss it because if more people clue on and realise that's what it is, they're going to ask why the uncropped version isn't available kek. Nice own goal shill.
>>519608845so you also had to alter the photo. i see.
>>519606184is that glitter? fakest shit I ever saw
>>519607216Their is no atmosphere on the Moon so light should be going in one direction not scattered.
>>519609208You have to understand, these people aren't just retarded. They're NASA shills, they're paid to obfuscate and lie.>>519609234Like this faggot, who got called out and now has to keep lying. It's not even good lying, it's the laziest form of lying, just making shit up and then hoping people don't check.When that doesn't work, they just sperg out and call you stupid over and over like a pledditor child. At that point you would have been banned on pleddit, which really grinds their gears that it doesn't happen here.
>>519608844Space faking serve a number of reasons. It will be the basis of the coming demonic invasion by the military of satan. They will claim to be space beings from other planets to deive humans. Would they do a decade/century long propaganda to get billions of souls for satan? Of course. Globe earth/space makes humans feel irrelevant, just dust in the vastness of space, not the favourite creation of God.It is a symbolic truth that there are diferent planes (planets) of existence that wrap around our own dimension like space a round globe earth. A visual representation of the multidimensional nature of reality. The demons come from the other planes, from the extra dimension beyond Earth. Remember, aliens are demons. They live for thousands of years. Fooling billions of humans for a few decades feels like a few days in their lives. Low effort, high return. They get to keep those souls for torturing for eternity.
>>519609271>Their is no atmosphere on the Moonof course there isjust not much of onebut its not 0
>>519609208its not seething so much as utterly shock at retards rejecting the idea of a camera being able to pan and tilt by remote control. its hard to know how to deal with such determined stupidity
>>519609321he's insulting nasa and your photo and you're trying to make him into what you are, it's embarrassing. why the fuck are you altering photos and claiming they're legitimate anyway
>>519607576>Atmosphere
>>519609333>deive?
>>519609356this is like zoomers asking why more people didnt catch the planes hitting the buildings on 911 with their cel phones
>>519609321Polake is an obvious nasa shill. These shills actually believe in globe earth.
>>519609381>up the contrast>YOU DOCTORED THE PHOTO!!!!kek
>>519609398*Deceive
>>519607558His suit isn't pressurized for starters.
>>519609271what if it scatters from the surface because its composed of tiny sharp fragments of rock?>>519609321i notice that you never even tried to answer the question about how 2 bright light sources in one photo were not causing double shadows. its impossible that there are two bright spot lights in that, or any other, photo.>>519609346and thats a distinction without a difference. what difference does it make?
>>519609418here's the retard flerfer to come add select special nutrients and minerals to the well
If we really want to the moon why haven't we been back a single time in 60 years
>>519609002
>>519609458>its impossible that there are two bright spot lights in thatAnd yet, there they are... for anyone to see.
>>519609394hahaha. good one.>>519609453it is...to about 4psi
>>519609458>haha retard there's no atmosphere there so your assertion is bunk>what difference does it make if there's a small amount of atmospheregotta love it when retards can never just admit they're fucking wrong about something
>>519609509without creating double shadow. i guess its the same effect that flat earthers use to say that the sun only lights up a small area of the flat earth - the light just...stops.
>>519609453The suits are diving suits.Here is an air bubble coming out of the helmet of a Chinese astronaut. Looks like it was filmed in a pool.
>>519606184>whitey on the moon>media manipulation nice try Shlomo
>>519609533right...like how you cant answer wht difference you think the incredibly tenuous few atoms of gas per sq/cm mean in practice. you just mentioned it because you think saying so makes you look smart. lots of retards do that and they can never explain what they think their statement actually means.
>>519609333>get billions of souls for satanpretty sure humans do that all by themselves lolwhy does more free time rarely lead to better humans or progress?why does tech only make things more expensive, less secure and more complicated?
>>519609453
>>519606184look in the mirror, you'll never love another person no matter how much you kiss it
>>519609555Or you know... you could direct your spots at different areas, like in the picture.
>>519609657Lights, shades are major giveways.
>>519609625>stop noticing I made a provably false statement>what difference does it make
>>519609200He looks like some kind of goblin
>>519609506Hook up that speak and spell to the right hardware and wire three of them together, I'll send it to the moon. (But not with people on board, the chips in plastic packaging would die. pun intended).Also that's not the entirety of the apollo guidance computer, that's just the dsky unit.But what he's refering to really is the manufacturing processes and tooling necessary to produce parts for the saturn v, like the F-1 engines.
>>519609437HOLY SHIT ANON, I JUST ALTERED THE CONTRAST, HERE'S A REAL PHOTO. TURNS OUT EARTH IS DICK SHAPED!!!! SOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>519609709Nothing about light makes sense in the moon landing. Here's a readable sign in pitch black shadow.
>>519609642Hairspray is used to create the fake weightlessness effect on the hair.
>>519607918Bro didn’t you know 4shit is full of millionaires and 6 foot 4 guys that get tons of pussy and live amazing lives
>>519609749Why would a picture from the moon look like it has spotlights when you up the contrast? If it's uniformly lit by the sun, the light would be uniform as well when you increase the contrast, no?
>>519609506I had a 64K RAM home computer in the early 1980s and I could do tons of things with it. Nothing odd there.
>>519609709Another film production expert analysing the moonlanding footages.
>>519609781I'm a less than 6 ft virgin. :(
>>519609356No you stupid fucking nigger. There is no distortion of the horizon as the view pans up. It is 100% a stationary camera. Even if you believe in the moon hoax why the fuck would you bring a heavier motorised rig just for one shot when you're trying to save weight? It all makes sense now though. You don't want people asking where the uncropped footage is.. because it probably has fucking lighting rigs and the lunch room in it. >>519609321It sure looks like it at a glance. Who the fuck would actually be paying them?
>>519609781Oh, shit. My bad! I wonder if being 6 foot 4 millionaire in POLAND is enough for him to logically answer why he hasn't KILLED HIMSELF YET.>>519608856
>>519609773
>>519608714>Completely crushes all electronics onboard
>>519609867>Who the fuck would actually be paying them?Soience jews. This moon religion is their schpiel.
>>519609867>because it probably has fucking lighting rigs and the lunch room in it.lol
>>519609506
>>519609808shut the fuck up you're all gross and poopy shidding and farding crying desperately, rolling in your shit, literally rubbing fecal matter all over yourself crying and screaming, why would anyone take what you have to say seriously
>>519609937Come on, this is getting badastronomy tier levels of debate.
>>519609346
The captcha should turn into a physics problem if you post moonlanding denial stuff and flat earth nonsense.
>>519609968You see when slow moving gasses and a gravity well such as a celestial body love each other very much.
>>519609937
>>519606874>but anon>its goooollld foil tape!
>>519609968What color is your skin?
>>519609721oh, i didnt say the moon and no atmosphere, although in practice is doesn't matter either way. thats what you're not getting. you just think you sound smart for saying ' well akshually....".and yes, what difference does it make? can you explain?>>519609760>pitch blackapart from all the light reflecting in all direction from the lunar surface and off the guy in the big white suit holding the camera.>also, what is dynamic range and pushing exposure during developing?seriously
>>519609937You have a scat fetish?
>>519610075>apart from all the light reflecting in all direction from the lunar surfaceSooo... why is it pitch black then, if there's light going everywhere there?
>>519610074Whitest white
>>519609968>what you you mean the atmospheric density just drops off until its very smallreminder that if you set the bar for "earth's atmosphere" very low then technically it extends beyond the moon's orbitas electrostatics proves, matter clumpsand space isnt a perfect vacuumso when you make assumptions and are wrong....yeah let's just double down on it
>>519609867>bring a heavier motorised rig just for one shot when you're trying to save weight?see? you know NOTHING about the subject and aren't even paying attention to what other people say. it wasn't for that one shot. the LRV camera was operated remotely for the entire time the guys were EVA. the entire mission. and not just that mission. >waaah remote controlled cameras are impossibleok retard>>519609882go read about it and find out how stupid you are.
>>519610095If you can give me those exact NASA photos i will become flat earther.
>>519610075>now I'm going to go back and try to say I didnt say something I said and can still see if I scroll up this page
>>519608550NASA Concept art said it would
>>519606184The Indian moon landing was real and straight
>>519610216Here is your nasa photo, anon.
>>519610269The concept art was wrong. But it makes it look cool.
>>519606529Nice tits.
>>519610320Give me a link to the photos on their website. I know you can't, because you're a liar spreading photoshopped garbage.
>>519610343This, the fireworks fizzlers didn't look that cool in the studio shot at all.
>>519610120depends on how its been developed or altered. there is clearly some information in the dark areas. Do you know how camera exposure works anon? Films have a certain range in which they can capture light information without under or over exposing, which means no useful information is captured. if you expose so you can see everything in the dark areas, you will almost certainly blow out the life areas, resulting in blank white.you can see that in this shot, the highlights are almost too exposed and some of the brightest spots have blown out.you'd have to play with the original positive to see what you can pull out of the dark areas.
>>519607921You live in a vacuum nigga?You seen how dust works first hand in a vacuum nigga?Better send vids of proof along with the video zooming in on your cock to prove yourself
>>519610223that wasnt me. go look. but i notice you cant begin to say why your comment needed to be said.
>>519610405>bla bla bla bla blakek>>519610120
>>519610391It wasn't faked anon.
>>519610143
>>519610451I think it was.
>>519606874I've literally posted this before and ppl still tell me that that's aluminum stress or someshit kek
>>519610484It was faked. Space is fake. It was an imaginary invention of luciferians a few hundred years ago.
>>519606184Video of apollo astronaut playing golf on moon.Around 0:38 there's a loud bang in "space" they probably added that later or some radio noise, it's probably supposed to be sound of ball hitting the golf bat or something https://youtu.be/t_jYOubJmfM
>>519610545You're another shill, filling this thread with flat earth bullshit to make your Polish and Canadian colleague look better.
>>519609136>why didn't the fucking commies tell the world as much?Mostly because of all the space accords and diplomacy in the 70s between the US and Russia.
>>519610451Aliens are fake too. They are demons, the military of satan. Semjase is the name of a well known demon, it has its own wiki page.
>>519609346>Just not much of oneMassive cope
>>519610204Once again, I never said it was impossible but that footage 100% wasn't tilted in camera. It was cropped and panned in post production. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, 90% of my fucking bans on this retarded basket weaving forum come from /p/ and I know what perspective distortion and panning in post look like. You are a stupid fucking nigger. You are the stupidest fucking nigger in this thread.
>>519610545Airforce and mega construction project leaders are told to assume that the Earth is flat.
>>519606935After kikes i hate the Polish the most. Its not surprise, since over half of your population are jewish mongrels.
>>519610604No, norske bro. We just did the relevant research about flat Earth. Research this topic, there are so many websites.
>>519610444>ignores how cameras work>wants to judge how cameras worklol. good one. see you in the next flat earth thread.>>519610572or it couuld be the shock of hitting the ball traveling through the guys body and being picked up by the mic which is attached to his head.>>519610799>that footage 100% wasn't tilted in camerawhy though? it wasn't. you can see the camera panning and tiliting for hours on end in the other footage. was all that done in post too? of course not.
>>519610439>you cant begin to say why some atmosphere has any significance vs a complete vacuumno you're just being retarded and rejecting facts like a typical indian
>>519609458>what if it scatters from the surface because its composed of tiny sharp fragments of rock?Not really. Even aerial photos of the Moon show shadows going in one direction.
>>519610918Nah, you're not fooling me. I know how you guys operate. You fill the thread with flat earth crap, and then your colleagues spend their time deboooooooonking that so they don't have to deal with things like>>519606729
>>519610274Space faking is an international conspiracy. The Russians, China, India are all in it. Every single astronaut is a blackmailed freakmason or similar.
>>519609514Compare suits in LEO to the Lunar shots it's like night and day.
>>519610918>We just did the relevant researchYou did zero research. You blindly copypaste retarded shit someone else made because that's what you are as well: a retarded piece of shit.
>>519610459you're simply going about this all wrongoften when your starting point is skewed or fallacious it simply sets you out on a path where you were always directed away from figuring out truthyour pic assumes having air pressure is the default state and le vacuum of space should suck all the atmosphere awaywhen it is a matter of there being islands of clumps of matter
>>519610987I am alone without colleagues. Some of my meetings were cancelled and now I have time to post on /pol/.
>>519610797hilarious when people cope by telling someone else to copethere is a small atmosphere on the moonyou're a retard if you dont know this
>>519606184government redactions creating split history
>>519607909Is that the sodium vapor process on the first one?I thought they lost it.
>>519610918yet you never did any research into that lying webm you posted there. if you had, you would know that the guy did two different presentations. >>519610962so why did you feel you had to mention it? how did you think that your correction applied to anything at all? will you keep avoiding to answer because you cant?>>519610968the shadows do go in one direction UNLESS terrain changes cause it to appear different.
>>519610075Except we have photos where zero light is reflecting off the surface.
>>519611025not the same suits....if you could show what you mean we could talk more about it
>>519611102
>>519611023You're retarded tho
>>519611201>zero light is reflecting off the surface.so how can you see it?
Wow, 300 replies of retards arguing with flat earthers.Hey retards, they're too stupid and dishonest to be convinced by evidence. Just don't engage
>>519611176read the thread dumbfuckit was argued that since there's no atmosphere on the moon then some optical feature could not exist in the footage
Legitimately how do you people function
>>519611248Studio lighting.
>>519606184Covid and it's not actually close.
>>519610204>go read about it and find out how stupid you are.How about explaining it so you can show how stupid I look?
>>519610948>next flat earth thread.i see you're trying to conflate normal skeptical people with flat earthers again today
>>519611271this.just dont bother replying to flerferslet them make their own flerf threads to discuss that retarded fake bullshit
>>519611102The same trick.
>>519611296May I see pictures of these things rather than AI regurgitations?
>>519611314It's the only way they have to not look like complete bufoons. Notice how there's only one person in this thread posting flat earth bullshit, the German agent. And the NASA shills are mostly engaging with him, and calling this a "flat earth thread."This is rote, tho. It's what they always do.
>>519610343>NASA is wrongThanks for finally getting it.
>>519609837
>>519611296“These are also photoshop even though other countries that aren’t controlled by American propaganda verified them”But keep being retards it seems fun
>>519609837Save the images, videos shared above. Post them everywhere. Space is their biggest lie. We have to kill it.
>>519611418Anon, one random gauche painter unaware of how hypergolic plumes look doesn't qualify as all of NASA.
>>519611146>Small atmosphere >Stars were expected to be seen more clearly than on Earth>Apollo astronaut says their were no starsYea your coping
>>519611530what am i supposed to be seeing here?
>>519611567The reason why there are no stars in NASA's space is because you'd instantly be able to point out how they are wrong.
>>519611458someone should email nasa that the secret photo they removed is uploaded againhttps://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/a12/images12.html#Mag46https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a12/AS12-46-6765HR.jpghttps://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-46-6765
>>519611567that astronaut said "well yeah of course we didnt see any stars, it was bright as fuck over there".
>>519611567>Apollo astronaut says their were no stars>Apollo astronaut says he couldnt see starspick one faggot
>>519611458Every and any image of globe Earth is fake. I know this is difficult to accept and process. You have been lied to your whole life about a lot of things, including about space. It takes time to accept the truth.
>>519606184Yes only an American can fooled by a stupid puppet show. Dumb gutless motherfuckers.
>>519611672>This photoshopped image made by a retard is photoshoppedCongratulations, you're a retard who fell for a meme
>>519611592Man's foot leaves a noticeable displacement of material, meanwhile the foot of the spacecraft has left the ground completely undisturbed.
>>519611695
>>519611722look very disturbed to me, try getting your eyes checked.
>>519606184CNN broadcast of the invasion of Kuwait.
>>519611672>Every and any image of globe Earth is fake.of course its not, what makes you think so?the earth isnt flat, lmao.
>>519606184The "holocaust"
>>519611289and you think that the moons 'atmosphere' plays some important role in that context? can you explain why? can you demonstrate it>>519611303no. sun light and sun light being reflected. >>519611308you want me to explain in detail about why folding the LRV up as its designed to be folded would not cause all the wiring to be crushed?
>>519611666Man shut up Satan, why don't u point to some artifact that proves authenticity.
Bros even my dead almost 100 year old grand mother knew the landing was fake. The family was the only one in the neighborhood that had a TV so everyone came to watch
>>519611176>the shadows do go in one direction UNLESS terrain changes cause it to appear different.Except we have photos where the surface is even and these anomalies take place.
>>519611218Exactly. Why didn't they use the Apollo suits in LEO during the shuttle program?
>>519611314you both use the exact same kind of stupid ignorant arguments and patterns of thought. every point you raise as to why the moonlandings were faked is as retarded as anything flat eartheers come out with. you just dont see it.skeptical is fine. but at least try to know something about the things you're being skeptical on. you guys dont know anything about this subject, nor even how camera exposure works>>519611609not at all. its trivially easy to locate all the major constellations on the inside of a dome or whatever, or to add them in after the fact. why wouldn't it be? do you think they look different than on earth?no, the simple reason is that the camera just were not set for the right exposure level to capture dim stars. i think venus was seen in a couple pushed frames. thats about it.
>>519611950your grandma was a dumbass, then.
>>519606184Worst, as in most blatant, was Trayvon Martin>>519609172>MSNBC editing the 911 phone call that George Zimmerman to make him appear racist. >Editing Zimmerman's photo to make his complexion appear lighter>Omitting that Trayvon was carrying the ingredients to make Lean, a mind altering drug cocktail that can cause aggression And Jesus this fucking Rachel Jenteal clown show. TLDR SHE WAS A FUCKING IMPOSTOR AND EVEN A MINOR BIT OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK WOULD IMMEDIATELY PROVE SHE WAS AN ACTRESS
>>519611998>Except we have photos where the surface is even and these anomalies take place.Post them then
>>519611799
>>519606977so why can't blue origin and spacex go back? their successful launches are when the spaceship doesn't blow up in low orbit. you're a stupid faggot lol.
>>519611659sure they didn't see them during normal working conditions, because they were lookig down at teh bright surface all the time etc. but they did use stars to set their guidance system by looking through a little telescope inside the LM. they also saw them under some other circumstances.http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/stars/staquotes.html
>>519611542It isn't the only one. The point is that NASA had a different idea of what we actually got.>>519611609This.
>>519611102>>519611349There's no need for lines.It's easy enough to fake with tricks known to be used by Hollywood.
>>519612045>try to know something about the things you're being skeptical onThat's a big pointAsking questions is great - everybody should ask questions about thingsBut you have to then listen to and honestly consider the answers that are given to those questionsConspiratards question something, get an answer, and reject the answer in favor of their own pre-selected belief
>>519611998be good see those>>519612044i think they used a later model, because suits for the ISS were not needed for quite a while after Apollo. but please, do show what you mean by the suits not looking pressurized.
>>519611659That was specifically the guy who was in the command module. You know the guy who traveled to the dark side of the moon?
>>519611799Every image you have ever seen of globe Earth was fake, artificial.
>>519611847>you want me to explain in detail about why folding the LRV up as its designed to be folded would not cause all the wiring to be crushed?Ya
>>519612163because their vehicles are still in development? >>519612262right. they treat skepticism like its some kind of super power or somethings, imagining that it instantly sets them up as being smart and knowledgeable. it doesn't
>>519606184>What's the worst cases of media manipulation?1pbtidOP with Brasil flag is a known shill
>>519612311Distance to a sphere affects how much of it you can seeA 10 year old can understand this - why can't you?
>>519612153and? what am i supposed to see here?looks fine. >>519612167>yes they couldnt see the stars because it was bright as fuckcool glad we agree.
>>519612060Ok your country was being raped while she was alive soooo
>>519612254Yes, falling planes can imitate weightlessness. This is used. You may have noticed that a lot of scenes recorded with this technology are very short, only a few minutes long, as the plane will have to stop free falling eventually.
>>519612311whats fake about it?the earth isnt a pizza, lol.
>>519612397>Ok your country was being raped while she was alive soooo>1969XDwhat about the van meme belt?
>>519612394That the continents have different sizes in different globe Earth pictures.
>>519612353no. you can go read all the detailed documentation if you want to go in depth, which you dont of course. once you've put some effort in and have come to be familiar with the thing, then maybe your proclamations of fakery might be taken more seriously. right now its trolling.>>519612394>>yes they couldnt see the stars because it was bright as fuck>cool glad we agree.sure, its pretty much the whole reason right there. once there were able to let their eyes adjust to darkness, or observe the stars through a telescope, they saw stars. simple really.
>>519612125>>519612264Coping incoming
>>519612415not really, no, these videos are very long, proving it wasnt on a plane. most of them were even played live on TV, sometimes an hour long.
>>519612438
>>519612515>the continents have different sizes in different globe Earth pictures.Krauttard, I know you've seen this beforeDo you get paid for what you post, or is it just the only way you can cum?
>>519612515yes, thats right
>sole potentially good thread of the day ruined by flerffersIf you guys can't see how this is a psyop then yngmi.
>>519612560did you just make this using chatgpt?
>>519612549if you were serious it would be a sign of serious problems on your part
>>519612415>only a few minutes longAs always, you're lying. Secondly, even your false assumption of "minutes" of continuous footage would be impossible with a parabolic flight. Retard.
>>519606184Look at the bright side anon, if the americunts and slavshits lied about going to space that means there's still one place in this world that is free of jewry and normie hordes
>>519612515yes, because thats how photography works.
>>519612547>no. you can go read all the detailed documentation if you want to go in depth, which you dont of course. once you've put some effort in and have come to be familiar with the thing, then maybe your proclamations of fakery might be taken more seriously. right now its trolling.Anon I'm literally begging you to make me look like an idiot. Explain it for me since you know it so well. We lost all the blueprints which is why you can't.
>>519612045>its trivially easy to locate all the major constellations on the inside of a dome or whatever, or to add them in after the fact. why wouldn't it be?No, that wasn't trivial at all in the 1960s. Getting all the intensities right, all the other planets in the right places etc. I can totally understand why they just opted on having no stars in space in the production.
>>519612633>Secret Worksheeld USA archivesClearly AI, yeah
>>519612438This is the cross section of our Earth.
Imagine so many people blindly trusting 70 and 90 year old millionaires without any question of how they made that much money off a 250,000 salary "way less in the 60s"
>>519612153>OMG LOOK AT THE EARF IT LOOKS DIFFERENT WHEN YOU TAKE FISHEYES AT DIFFERENT ALTITUDES
>>519612677>guys i added some text to my AI image in MS Paintwhoaaaa>>519612686>talmudian jewish nonsenseawwwww, and into the trash it goes.
>>519612497Are you retarded? She was born way before 69
>>519612755Sorry, I was agreeing with you - the AI often misspells shit on their imagesThe krauttard is, well, a tard
>>519612673>I can totally understand why they just opted on having no stars in space in the production.>but I really dont know how cameras or optics works at all
>>519612817yeah this guy is fucking hilarious, he just posts random dogshit and expects people wont fact check it.
>>519612755>>talmudian jewish nonsense>awwwww, and into the trash it goes.Remember to thank your flat earth buddy over in Germany for helping you out in this thread. Imagine if you had to spend all that time answering real issues instead of his schizo blathering, wouldn't be a very nice thread for you then.
>>51961241525 second hang-time in that example.Should be dependent upon speed of climb going into it and distance of drop. Easy enough to record minutes of it by skillfully mending several maneuvers during the same flight together.
>>519612919real issues like what?
>>519612986>>519606729
>>519613122we already went through that - your inability to grasp how photography works is your issue, not ours.
>>519613186>we already went through thatNope.
>>519613122>Backgrounds match exactlyNo they don't, and any retard can check it by looking at the official images instead of your 10 pixel jpeghttps://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums
>>519613186>ourskek, didn't spot this one.Say hi to the other glowfaggots at the base from me.>>519613213Yes glowfaggot #2, people should absolutely check themselves. That's what you're banking on them not doing.
>>519609333checkedno one is in controlit an already wound clockif you knew anything about DNA you would know that
>>519613211yup we did, the whole thread is trying to educate you how photography works. >he's too retarded to understand ityour problem.>ours! he said ours!yeah? as in non-retards, like you. >nuh uh you're a top secret american CIA agent!yes thats right ive been found out, CIA agent Smith here.
>>519611403it is sadbut their level of attention alone paid to ANY topic reveals what they are most worried about
>>519612045again todaywhat do you do for work?you little 'truth teller' as you called yourself yesterday
>>519612670you can find all the info you want about the LRV. as usual, just repeating untruths you heard somewhere. seriously, dig into the LRV documentation and explode the fakery. make diagrams about how it couldnt possible work without destroying the wiring etc.>>519612673they had planetariums and stuff anon. they had people who could use star charts. and, ifyou look into it, when venus was found in some shots, people figured out where it should be and found that it was exactly where it should have been at that time and date. why do you carry on like this? you just make shit up.
>>519613290Go fuck yourself>AS18-82-11082https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21672244462/in/album-72157658635051560>AS18-82-11057https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21683669795/in/album-72157658635051560
People love to debate the moonlandings when in reality it’s completely irrelevant. They love conspiracies like these, perfect distractions for noticers to waste their energy on instead of real, potent conspiracy about current events.
>>519612920>nasa is so dumb they forgot to add stars hahaha>they forgot to remove the wires LOL>LMAO their lighting is completely wrong>anyway the countless hours of continuous footage you see is actually segments of 30 seconds perfectly spliced together without any errors in continuity
>>519613304DNA is not real, or not in the way you think.
>>519613519im a man of leisure at the moment. i also procrastinate a lot, hence being on here.how about you? you're here again so i guess you can aim your super sleuth powers back at yourself.
>>519613611DNA is completely real or so many of our biotechnologies would simply not work. Yet they do. I have worked in labs and done experiments with DNA gain of function on bacteria. It is very real.
>>519613290>>519613559It took me 4 minutes to show that you're full of shit, and that included pasting the links and double-checking the image indexes4 minutes to completely destroy your position, which you didn't do in hours of your "research" into the subjectWhy do you pretend to "seek truth" when you make no effort to do so?
>>519613653what are we supposed to be seeing here?
>>519613546>you can find all the info you want about the LRV. as usual, just repeating untruths you heard somewhere. seriously, dig into the LRV documentation and explode the fakery. make diagrams about how it couldnt possible work without destroying the wiring etc.I'm just asking you to explain it. You've dodged it like four times already. You know how they did it so just say it already.
>>519613806by routing cables properly. thats it. its possible to route cables so that they are neither trapped nor stretched to breaking point. got it? now go show that your initial claim (it would crush the wires) should be taken any more seriously than retards screeching 'no stars no stars'
>>519614110I like how you think cable management was the biggest hurdle. Totally not the satellite dish,batteries,seats, etc. LMAO
>>519614273You're the retard who is harping on cable routing and how it's impossible to fold something without breaking cablesHoly shit, you're either genuinely retarded or you have the memory of a goldfish
>>519614110>now go show that your initial claim (it would crush the wires)Where did I say that?
>>519610948>why though? it wasn't.On top of being a stupid nigger you are also blind and have obviously never used a camera that wasn't your sm0rtfone
>>519614273the point under discussion previously was the claim that all the wires would be crushed because the LRV was folded up for transport. Theres obviously no issue with anything you mentioned either and im sure you wont be able to make any case for their being any problems.
>>519614404>You're the retard who is harping on cable routing and how it's impossible to fold something without breaking cablesBy all means show me where I once mentioned cables?
>>519614451Where did I say cables? You fucked up
>>519614451why would the wires be crushed? crushed by what?
>>519614417it was said here, >>519614110 then you started on about it too. i may have lost track of who was talking.>>519614421explain what you mean please
>>519613611it is degradable if that is what you mean
>>519606729The shapes in your picture thumbnail look exactly like that one "it appears my superiority has led to some controversy" trollface meme picture and therefore I see you are trolling.It is not an accusation btw, it's just a divine rule, the lies are visible through the "evidence"
>>519614514i dont think they would be. the other guy said it.
>>519614456>By all means show me where I once mentioned cables?>>519612353
>>519606184>>519606184>>519606184Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.Same trannies who shill for Jewkraine and make the /uhg/ threads btw.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990
>>519613637what did you do for work?boy you really are avoiding the questionso adamant about your position, yet can't even answer a simple question
>>519614599he did?
>>519613637>you're here againi come to the moon threads b/c they're funnythis will be 404d usually
>>519614541Where did I mention anything about cables? I never said once that it was impossible to route cables. I mentioned the electronics being crushed. You know computers,batteries,antennas etc. So I asked explain how they weren't crushed. Why are you lying you dishonest fuck?>>519609882
lol someone's gramma's lawn chair seats
