Can you scientifically prove it? Honest question here.
It's not winning that counts, but the frens we make along the way.
As long as the goyim are fooled by it, both sides are winning equally hard in their war against the goyim.
>>519674034>scientifically prove itthe science isn't even that hard to prove it, but the Russians have an entire mathematical formula that does so.in practice all you need is to be able to count. the goal is to destroy Ukraine (and NATO's) fighting ability and so the relevant number to count is how many pieces of equipment and soldiers have been destroyed. Those numbers are tabulated by the Russians and released daily.
>>519674034Those get outdated fast nowadays.
>>519674034no, they haven't achieved any of their goals and likely won't when the war ends. But their economy and world standing is destroyed. expect 24/7 shill threads from russians on /pol/ for the next few years though.
>>519674621>they haven't achieved any of their goalswhat are their goals, aukusfag?
>>519674761ultimately regime change in ukraine and ukraine as a vassal state like Belarus. no nato/eu membership, no nato on their doorstep (already failed multiple times). They do not want an independent ukraine at all. a permanently destabilised ukraine that aligns with them.
>>519674481Can you show me this formula directly?
>>519674481>Those numbers are tabulated by the Russians >and released daily.So if the numbers for the day show that more Russian equipment and soldiers have been destroyed than Ukraine, does that mean Russia is not winning?
>>519674859The Russians have listed three very specific goals since the very beginning in February 2022. If you do not know those it means you do not know what you are talking about. >>519674883Whatever the Russian General Staff uses for their big calculations would be top secret, obviously. The daily numbers are on a website you can find if you try.>>519674957It doesn't actually matter if Russia were losing more equipment and soldiers than Ukraine every day. Russia has the ability to replace losses, which Ukraine/NATO do not.
>>519674034>Can you scientifically prove it?look at a map
>>519674125She's right, you know.
>>519676179ok famalam
>>519674034rich man's war
>>519676179why would we take guidance and orders from an online prostitute?
>>519676179She's just jealous because she'll never be one
>>519674034thoughts on /k/?
>>519674034Whoever is holding more of the other sides territory is winning. Yes, that's how war works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-u0_uWjlY8drink cider, love you woman, fear God, life is brittle, life is preciousbut you choose war and destruction and soon you will reap what you sown
>>519675205>The daily numbers are on a website you can find if you try.Yes and these numbers have been different than the ones put out by Ukraine consistently. So someone is wrong here, or outright lying.
>>519674034They achieved all their strategic goals already, hold the option to solely decide if they want to peace out or continue, and they are pushing on and accumulating an ever-increasing advantage in the war of attrition, which if ukraine loses it will get annexed in full. So yes, they are winning by every possible metric. Claiming they aren't is pure cope.
>>519674447>never fought along this borderthe russians invaded along that border in 2022 and the Ukrainians have launched several raids into russia along that border since then
>>519677093that is not how war works
>>519675205>Russia has the ability to replace losses, which Ukraine/NATO doSee this doesn't make any sense here, Ukraine and NATO has much more equipment and man power. If there have been shortages of Russian equipment and men, then we would be seeing Africans, Indians, and Chinese in their place, along with non Russian equipment, like Chinese bikes, which we have been seeing. This means Russia is on the losing end of a war of attrition.
>>519677271numbers put out by Ukraine are consistently exposed as made up bullshit. if you listen to anything they say you are an idiot by definition.
>>519677537>Ukraine and NATO has much more equipment and man power.you sure?
>>519677093Russia lost two wars with Poland, and one with Turkey holding more of their land.
>>519677579the US has more spare abrams parked in the desert. than russia has tanks left in storage or in service.As for the manpower, russian has a population of 140 million the EU alone has 450 million if you add in the US and non EU members you get to about 900 million. that means that russian would have to be 4.5 times better at mobilizing manpower just to reach equilibrium.
>>519677579Yes, can you prove otherwise?
>>519677398>They achieved all their strategic goals alreadywhat would those be then?they haven't forced regime change in Ukriane and have only strengthened their national identity. so much for the "denazification" the Ukrainian armed forces are stronger now in comparison with 2022 so disarming them doesn't seem to be working out.As for driving NATO back, it has expanded with Sweden and Funland opening up a whole new russia/NATO border, turning the Baltic into a NATO lake and further complicating any adventure into the Baltic states for the the russians.
>>519677745Yeah right molenbeek is going to fight for the EUSSR.Fucking nigger
>>519674125Fp, bp :)
>>519674571Do you know that aircraft is a museum piece, that was seen at airshows? It's now, or was, on the front line.
>>519678059and the churcas are going to fight for the russians?man russia has a higher % of muslim population than borgerokko
>>519674859It sounds good.before the coup d'etat, Ukraine, which did not annoy the Europeans, was a Russian problem, and was not in a position to create provocations in Europe in order to be allocated money from the European budget. >They do not want an independent ukraine at all.You should think about independent australia first lola vassal of the crown lol
>>519674571>3 months >5km movement>fastChrist how fat are you consider speeds measured in km/m to be fast
>/k/oper is berry gonncerned riveting thread
>>519677403I am aware. But the fact remains that the border is totally demilitarized and Kharkov is untouched. Use your thinky thing and think about why no other two nations at war in history have had demilitarized borders with each other but these two do.
>>519677924>what would those be then?Why you nafotroons keep thinking that pretending to not know them is an argument? Russia kept stating it again and again and again for almost a decade. The rest of the post is just your regular cope mill getting repeated like a prayer. What impact Sweden joining the NATO had on the war in ukraine?
>>519677745>Abramsthose were exposed as worthless in 2023 do try and keep up. And who is going to drive them? repair them on the battlefield? etc. Europe's population does not correlate to trained soldiers. It takes at least a year to take a scrub up to fighting position. Russia has 2 million ready to go, plus armaments to supply them, which Europe does not have. Also Russia has a million soldiers with excellent combat experience now. Ukraine's army was better than whatever NATO can field on its own.
>>519678290>riveting threadLets see your thread then retard? Can you even make one without gore posting?So you've got, nothing to say, nothing to add? Typical from you...>/k/We're on /pol/ why are you in here seething about them idiot? Are you afraid to post there now?
>>519674034The goalposts seem to have shifted from a quick decisive victory to show off strength and basically make ukraine a vassal to grabbing some clay and holding on to crimea. They can still of course declare that a victory after the fact.>>519676179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTP1pQvb-Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=addmkT7VJEc
>>519679244My dude, their strategy changed like three years ago to a war of attrition. Maybe if you weren't trying to claim that ukraine is winning you would have noticed it sooner. Russia has time, money, weapons, manpower and the will to fight it out to the end, Ukraine has less in each and every category. In fact, they only have manpower, and everything else is given to them by foreign sources. What do you think, which side will win a war of attrition?
ukraine has not gained ground in russiarussia has gained ground in ukraineall the best aid and equipment ukraine will ever receive was already sent in the first yearit's that shrimple
>>519674447So much war has taken place across that border, ukraines just had stronger defenses there, able to successfully incur into Russian territory.
>>519679570>successfully incur into Russian territory>successfullyabout that
>>519679570Talking out your ass, are you, pookie?This is the border 15 minutes outside of Kharkov.Not a bunker, not a trench, not a single tire tread mark on the fields wihch are being farmed without difficulty.Taken this year.
>>519678504because the are concentrating their forces elsewherejust look at WWI, most of the front barely saw any action>>519678509>Russia kept stating it again and again and again for almost a decadeso what are they? also how are they still the same as those when you admit >>519679390 that they had t0 alter their strategy 3 years ago.>>519678585well you asked about equipment I referenced just one bit of kit, do you want me to go down the list?NATO enjoys a major advantage both in the quality and quantity of just about every weapon system.>Russia has 2 million ready to gofunny thing is the EU member states have over 2.3 million ready to go and over double the population to fall back on to >kraine's army was better than whatever NATO can field on its own.hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahafuck man just your crayon eaters could have bent over the Ukrainians and fucked them silly>>519679457Imperial Germany lost WWI without a single enemy boot on it's soil
>>519679830>Most of the front in ww1 saw no actionWhy are NAFO niggers compelled to reach into their assholes and pull out the most retarded takes you've ever heard to avoid accepting the obvious fact that no war is taking place?
>>519679870Honestly this conspiracy theory is new to me.
>>519674125Friends... Along the way to certain death or crippled miserable life.
>>519679870>NAFO niggershow is it a NAFO take when the ziggers aren't making any moves along that border as well? there hasn't been a single war where there was constant action along every part of the frontlineeven during the GWOT there where areas with high insurgency activity and areas with none at all. WWII had large parts of the east front being quit for month on end such as the Kursk salient prior to the battle. and the allies after the africa campaign just sat there for several months doing nothing
>>519680064I'm amazed at how far /pol/ has fallen in IQ. Everybody just listening and believing. It's just a coincidence that a jew runs the country and says he's turning it into a big israel at the same time as unprecedented Israeli expansionism? Just a coincidence that this "war" is breaking all the rules of what a war is like going back 10,000 years? I wouldn't be surprised if this whole clown show is a wag the dog tier fabrication.
>>519674034>Give it more 2 weeksI’m still waiting after 3/4 full years, and the frontline still didn’t change that much.Yet people still bargain, cope and seethe with gozillion of “proofs” of “Russia winning” because “OMGZ Ukraine lost 1 km of worthless land with no economic gain, this summer”, or bullcrap like that.
>>519679830Playing stupid is not an argument, Russia altering its strategy to a winning one is not weakness. Coping will not help you.Explain how Sweden joining the NATO would help ukraine? How come you bring up this to brag but seem to be so unwilling to talk about it?>>519679870Constantly having to argue against the simplest and most self-evident of facts has utterly mindbroken them. Remember how they were loudly claiming for years how ukraine is winning and Russia is about to collapse? Yet as of now, zelensky is the one begging for an immediate, unconditional ceasefire and not Russia.
>>519678972>>/k/>We'rethat easy to spot you /k/lownssay slaba ukrainda
This town was the frontline last year.Not one damaged house. A whole field of solar PV panels. It's unironically thriving more than my town. But, then, it would be, wouldn't it? USA alone has given them $200 billion dollars. I know that part ain't fake.
>>519679390>They have that, that and thatYet the only thing that they could do is to suck dicks and stay in the same places that they stood 3 years ago.If they were so darn powerful why on earth did they fail to take Kiev? Kharkov? Or even Cherson? If they have so much money and manpower!!!>Give it another 2 weeks broI’m still waiting baby
>>519674034Yes, yes they will. Simple game of numbers. Russia has all the resources it needs for that war and simply more men that Putin is also more than willing to sacrifice to not lose his face. Unless some western countries actively join (which they won't because nukes) Ukraine at some point will just run out of resources and men. The only option I see (which is very unlikely as well) is some coup d'état in Russia because people are not willing to let their sons and husbands die for some stupid fields in Ukraine anymore. >>519674571Kek, they literally need days to conquer a single fucking field?
>>519680686> Russia altering its strategy to a winning one is not weakness>try to take all of Ukraine>fail>cope and try to take just a part of it>that's been going on for 4 yearssure that shows us just how strong they are>Explain how Sweden joining the NATO would help ukraineas I already said>As for driving NATO back, it has expanded with Sweden and Funland opening up a whole new russia/NATO border, turning the Baltic into a NATO lake and further complicating any adventure into the Baltic states for the the russians.it isn't about how it help Ukraine it is about how russia shot it's self in the foot and got the opposite of what it wanted
>>519680758>We'reYes, we are both posting on /pol/ not /k/ retarded slavshit. Sounds like you are the faggot posting over there, because they make you seethe. Call me /k/ again to my face and I will knock all your teeth out, the curb stomp you into the pavement, subhuman tranny.
Google maps is capable of .15m resolution but for (((some reason))) the most important war zone on earth is blurrier than a big foot sighting photo. Imagine that. But I guess our precious democracy:tm: is not worth keeping the citizens properly informed about the supposed war.
>>519680982do you even know what the goals of the SMO are?>try to take all of Ukrainehohols and the wect are gunning for finland type of "victory": if you lie about your opponents goals, you can classify not reaching them as a losereality is, that your beloved wectern lapdog is bleeding right in front of your eyes, while you sit and watch, powerless2022 and the subsequent war has really been an eye opener: turns out, the military alliance, whos sole purpose is (was it seems) to defend eu(rope) from ebil Russkis isa) too much of a pussy to even show up for the fightb) has absolutely dogshit MIC, unable to produce and supply armaments for a war in timely and sufficient mannerwhat a joke
>>519681156its all in little details and tells, little /k/lown>Call me /k/ again to my face and I will knock all your teeth outildu.com.uasign up and hunt me down, Tyrone Hernandez Jr., but be quick aboot it: i hear hyhyls are due to storm my house in about two more weeks
>>519680422>Implying that Putnig it’s not another globalist anti-white kike cocksucking nigger that builds mosques, protects Muslims and even imports them for “labor shortages” from Central AsiaLow-IQ takeAlso xe even legalized Hormone Replacement Therapy for zigger trannies back in 2023 because he’s deep friend with Klaus Schwab and other filthy jews alike him, if that matters
>>519681262>anti-whitewhy would Putler be pro-white, considering thata) Russians arent white, Russians are Russianb) whites support hyhyls (and Pissrael)
>>519681262Didn't say anything about Russia or Ukraine being anything you NAFO nigger retard. It takes two to tango and it takes every country on Earth to cover up a fake ass war like this. Both Russia and Ukraine and EU and USA are in on this little puppet show.
>>519681165a, learn proper English before posting on an English website b, what was the goal of the attack on Kiev if not to impose regime change or to take over the whole country?c, this isn't NATO's war since Ukraine isn't a member state but somehow giving the Ukrainians their hand me down is still enough to keep might puccia second army of the world tied up for 4 years trying to take the remained of two oblasts>dogshit MIC>has to beg the fucking best koreans for weapons and men
>>519681329>an English websitewhat mean dis be the Sahel bird watching enthusiast board>what was the goal of the attack on Kievhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/28/zelenskiy-hails-upcoming-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-amid-fallout-from-biden-comments-on-putin>this isn't NATO's war since Ukraine isn't a member stateyes yes, paperwork is berry important lmaoagain, for organization with a sole and definite purpose, GayTO sure does love bureaucracy when it comes to actual conflict within its core operational activitypathetic>has to beg the fucking best koreanson that nore: it took Best Korea to supply Russia with 1.5 mil 155mm shells about two weeks for basically food and guzzolineit took wect almost a year and a half and you still fell short of your initial pledge
>>519681326>NAFOtroon>Evendoe i criticized both for being jewish alike, and all of this war feels like a Kalergi plan but applied for Eastern Europe Can’t you even fucking read old man?Go back to your retirement home to play chess or with dildos or whatever the fuck vegetables like you do at that age.>>519681310Ironic.Yet cucks on Twitter and /chug/ still will shill you as “the savior of European civilization & Christendom” or something like that KEK
>>519681535>Ironic>>519681262>legalized Hormone Replacement Therapyzero irony in nafotroon lying thohttps://winepressnews.com/2023/07/30/russia-signs-law-banning-all-transgender-surgeries-and-hormone-therapies-as-country-looks-to-completely-ban-sodomy/
>>519680944>>519680982These copes were worn out by 2023 already. Russia is waging a war of attrition which ukraine(and the west supporting it) will inevitably lose. They do not particularly care if the collapse happens in 2026 or 2028 or 2032, because once it happens its exponential and ukraine will have no ability to defend itself, so it will get wholly annexed. Russia has more men, more equipment, more money, more of everything. No amount of coping can change that.>Explain how Sweden joining the NATO would help ukraine? How come you bring up this to brag but seem to be so unwilling to talk about it?Btw you still couldn't answer this. >turning the Baltic into a NATO lake and further complicating any adventureHold the phone, are you claiming that the NATO is the enemy of Russia? That Russia was right about them when they didn't let ukraine join? Thought the narrative was that the NATO is neutral.>>519681165>b) has absolutely dogshit MIC, unable to produce and supply armaments for a war in timely and sufficient mannerFunniest and mildly irrelevant shit is that Orbán during his 2010-14 cycle has been lobbying hard for an "European Army", deepening integration, setting up scalable production centers, establishing logistics, placing mutual orders for ammunition stockpiles, etc. just basic groundwork for preparedness. He was laughed out of the room by the eurocrats, who told him the EU will never need such a military buildup. Then he implemented a smaller scale program locally, which saw Germany moving its artillery and tank shell production over to Hungary, along with the Puma IFV production, with plans to move the Leopard 2 and (its successor, the Panther) too for export and cost reasons. >>519681477Wrong, North Korea handed over something like 6 million(oy vey) shells by now. The EU promised one million shells a year back in 2022, but delivered a little over half a million total so far, as of 2025.
>>519674034What is winning anyway? And I am not being flippant. I would assume achieving stated goals. Which are denazification (basically control of education and media), demilitarization (basically control over military size and composition) and neutrality (basically dictating what's in the constitution, or legislative power in other words). All these can only be achieved if Ukraine is either occupied or under a puppet government.Ukraine goal is less clear, either it's 91 borders, NATO/EU membership or just having Kiev without puppet government with a DMZ "somewhere" between Donetsk and Kiev, depending on who you ask.Is Russia progressing toward this goal? Well sort of, very slowly and painfully, we are moving forward in a weird mix of guerilla and trench warfare of 21st century peer war. The real question of who is "winning" in this war is two fold: Will Ukraine run out of men and NATO machines and money before Russian war economy bubble bursts or not? And overarching is when or if NATO will stop or be unable to continue supplying Ukraine, because that is an automatic loss condition for them.So basically nobody is winning, until somebody wins.
>>519675205>Russia has the ability to replace lossesCan they replace the strategic bombers they lost? Can they replace the Moskva? How many T-14s and fifth-generation fighters do they build per year? How many functional aircraft carriers do they have?
>>519674034The first ukr caldron of rus forces just happened near pokrovsk.Thousands of Russians are surendering.
>>519681583>don’t believe your lying eyes!!1!1!1All major pedogram groups are femboy, tranny and CP related “communities” btw, if being a NAFOtroon is the same as being anti-muslim, anti-semitic, troonphobic, homophobic and pro-white, then im into all of it for the rest of my life bahahahahha!!
>>519677093>>519677662Russia also lost against both afghanistan and tiny chechnya while holding more of their land than vice versa
>>519681477>the goal is this thing that we didn't proposehow is it going on getting that thing though? ukraine is closer to the west now than ever>paperworkyea like the paperwork that russia couldn't get around to filling out when Azerbaijan attack Armenia both CSTO members. a war that Turkey a NATO country managed to stop while russia had nothing to offer but thought and prayers >155mm shellsretard that's the NATO standard >>519681609>They do not particularly care if the collapse happens in 2026 or 2028 or 2032it very much does because every day it has to keep fighting it loses men and moneyand while it has more men than Ukraine it doesn't have an infante supply of them nor does it have infinite money.>Btw you still couldn't answer this.I don't because that wasn't the original topic being discussed. you claimed that russia has already achieved it's 3 strategic goals, I inferred one of those being halting NATO expansion. something it clearly failed at since Finland and Sweden joined>Thought the narrativethe narrative is somewhere between your ass and your ears.>but delivered a little over half a million total so farit has delivered over 1.5 million in 2025 so far and with an other 0.5 million to go in the rest of 2025
>>519680968>The only option I see (which is very unlikely as well) is some coup d'état in RussiaYes, very unlikely. Prigozhins march of justice never happened, nothing to see here.
>>519682074I don't think it is likely given how he was dealt with. and that putin and his inner circle have been removing potential challengers to their powerthat being said those measures also increase the distance between putin and co and anyone that will give them a accurate information and honest assessments as to the current state of the russian war effort, it's economy and it's international standing
>>519681609> These copes were worn out by 2023 already. Russia is waging a war of attrition which ukraine(and the west supporting it) will inevitably lose. They do not particularly care if the collapse happens in 2026 or 2028 or 2032, because once it happens its exponential and ukraine will have no ability to defend itself, so it will get wholly annexed. Russia has more men, more equipment, more money, more of everything. No amount of coping can change thatAnd you think that this is all worth it?That sending young Russian boys into the meat grind for the so called “attrition war” (just a gayer term for trench war) is worth it at the end of the day? To the expense of everything, including education, pensions, culture and everything just for defense?And “gaining” worthless dicklet territories destroyed by war that will only be repaired in more than 20 years or so? (Of course all done with Russian taxpayers money you goyim).There’s no gold nor silver in donbass, only pathetic industrial and fertile lands (only for grain) all destroyed by the conflict.>More moneySo much money they have to rely solely on China now ahahahahh! I’m surprised the CCP didn’t try to conquer Siberia by now, and all of they’re unused useful resources they have.
>>519682020>it very much does because every day it has to keep fighting it loses men and moneySo? Who on earth claimed they are going to win without losses? They have more of everything, they can take the losses while ukraine cant. That is how the war of attrtion works.>Explain how Sweden joining the NATO would help ukraine? How come you bring up this to brag but seem to be so unwilling to talk about it?Btw you still couldn't answer this.>Are you claiming that the NATO is the enemy of Russia? That Russia was right about them when they didn't let ukraine join? You fucked up so badly, you contradicted official tranny narratives.>>519682263>pure wall of "Russia isnt really winning" copesRemember, no amount of seething will influence the outcome.
>>519674034The new round of sanctions the EU just introduced are moronicGermany has just realized that the sanctions hurt their own defense industry more than anything with major suppliers having to step in to tell the top ministers that they wont be able to supply the weapons they want in the time they want because of the LNG/materials banproper clown world stuff going on here
>>519681833>user map>ignores a literal law banning it>unable to part with his lucid dreamyep, nafoid mo checks out>>519682020>ukraine is closer to the west now than everindeed, but i prefer being more specific classification: the ukranda is on wectern life support, and will remain so for a foreseeable future3, yet again underscoring the sentiment that it is not a real country>yea like the paperwork that russia couldn't get around to filling out when Azerbaijan attack Armenia both CSTO>no uokay, lets talk about that: every CSTO member country, with exception of Armenia itself, recognized Karabakh as part of Azeri, so they did nothing withing the CSTO bylawsevery GayTO country recognizes the ukrandian 1991 borders, and yet do nothing within GayTO bylawsnow add two and two>retard that's the NATO standardtop kek, mesidesi must admit that i often confuse 152mm and 155mm, but the "not the standard” cop out is just hilarious
>>519674034who won ww2?can you prove it?it's the nature of the warhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1760925463070923.webm
>>519682074>Prigozhins march of justice never happened, nothing to see here.it didend result?
>>519682505The sanctions only hurt the west and actually make russia stronger, that's why the west keeps introducing new sanctions and russia demands the sanctions to be lifted
>>519682355>reddit spaceOmg I was talking to a fucking ChatGPT prompt the whole time!!Also a retarded one too kek!!>you’re so wrong mate I’m going to tell you that sooooo much, but I’m going to either parrot the same dogma I’ve yapped my ass for 30 minutes, or say nothing at all, because I don’t rl have any good arguments at all, plus im a good goyim for the Jews too, because I think war is based!!!>White people dying for the kikes is the best thing ever!!! Only thing that Nafotronellas can do is to seethe abt it!!!
>>519682558nice webm
>>519676582trvth nvke, she'll be whoring and pimping herself and pretending it's a community until it dries up and she's left with nothing
>>519674034Judging by CS gun and knife skin prices, I'm going to say Russian Oligarchs are winning big-time
>>519682563>end result?Plane crash, nothing to see here)))
>>519682761so, nothing, correct?
>>519682534>Yaps about the user map but not the fact that his national messaging board is filled with filthYep, ziggers are confirmed cunnypedos!Also how’s your grand mosque in Moscow doing up there Petrov?Any more turks imported from Kazakhstan yet? Kek
>>519682597kekIts quite hard to re-arm when you have just stopped the major supplies you need coming into the countryThe EU is already asking for exemptions for a sanction bill that passed yesterday, they literally voted, came out of session and were told by their defense contractors they have just fucked themselves
>>519682809>caught lying>its about something else nowcute
>>519682355first if russia thought that a war of attrition was the best thing ever it would have started the war in 2022 as a war of attrition. it didn't it tried to do a fast and mobile offensive and failed. it didn't chose a war of attrition it was forced into one>They have more of everythinglet's say I have more money then you do. we both burn our money, after we are done burning our money I still have some left and you don't. that means that I have "won" but my money is still gone.that's war a war of attrition means russia is burning it's men and money and the rest of the world isn't. russia is becoming weaker every day it keeps this war going.Europe hasn't lost even a fraction of what russia has lost and is now doubling it's defence spending >Btw you still couldn't answer this.>couldn't I wont until you can acknowledge that if one of russias war goals was to halt NATO expansion Finland and Sweden joining NATO means it has failed at that war goal. if you can't settle the original point of contention then there's no point in simply moving on to an other one
>>519682801The system is always stable until one day it's not, a russian should know this. Armed insurrections and assassinations are always good signs)))
>>519682999>until one dayyawn, waste of digits
>>519682534you do realise that both NATO and CSTO are common defence treaties right?treaties meant to defend any of it's members if they are attacked.Ukraine isn't a NATO member state so there isn't any requirement under NATO to help them, but they still areArmenia is a member of the CTSO so it's members are under treaty obligation to help it, but didn't even worse the aggressor was also a CTSO member. the peace treaty wasn't even negotiated by an other CTSO member but by a NATO member that would be like the French invading Spain only for Turkmenistan to broker the peace this war has seen russia getting cucked in it's own backyard trice first it's in ability to take Kiev just a 150 km from it's staging groundthen by Sweden and Finland joining after russia threatened them if they did and then thirdly it's own formal vasal states gong to war and turning to a member of the rival alliance to broker a peace because russia can't
>>519674034>is russia winninglets check.>the front is still stuck at bahkmut>after 4 yearssad and cringe.
>>519674034The land Russia controls in Ukraine is not even worth 1/10000th of the damage that is being inflicted upon them. They're losing over a million soldiers, thousands of tanks, APCs, and fighters, and now half of their oil output have been removed. All this for what's essentially going to be a buffer zone similar to the one in NK/SK. Ukraine will end up joining NATO when this is all over and Russia is just going to fall further and possibly experience another coup while the West rebuild Ukraine like they did with Germany and Japan after WW2.
>>519683440You are so unbelievably wrong its laughableUnder that ground is the Dnipro oil and gas basin and its worth trillionswhat the fuck did you think they were fighting for
>>519683150But Armenia didn't go to war. They cucked out and wanted to use Russia to do all the work for them. Their army didn't participate in the war, only volunteers.
>>519682847>caught up lyingErm? Did you even fucking read your own article?I actually took some effort into reading this unlike you.Read the picrel, how on earth is HRT completely banned in Ziggerstan if it’s possible to enroll into it if you’re “mentally ill”, whatever that means, I’ve heard loads of stories from Russian troons bypassing this by bribing doctors and authorities, especially in a region of Europe with high levels of corruption!Also from the same newsletter:> Between 2016 and 2022, almost 3,000 of Russian civilians changed their documents due to gender reassignment, according to Vice Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy. In 2022, there were 996 of those cases throughout the country.This was during Putnig, and yet no one is saying something about this hahahah!!!Russia has more trannies than pigrain how stupid!!!!>cuteIk I’m mogging you.
Nobody in the Western world is falling for these gay war larps
>>519674034does this looks like losing
>>519683504lol
>>519683645
>>519683645https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. Today, Ukraine has a low annual reserve usage rate of about 2 percent. Moreover, more active exploration may yield previously undiscovered gas fields, which would further increase the overall volume of Ukraine’s deposits.
>>519683504>Under that ground is the Dnipro oil and gas basin and its worth trillionsyes, it's not like russia has a proven oil reserve of over 80 billion barrels. no that extra oil is just what russia needs>it was to prevent exploitation by Europegreat Europe isn't buying russian oil and gas anymore anyways >>519683527>But Armenia didn't go to war. They cucked out and wanted to use Russia to do all the work for themthey where attacked and gave up because they where counting on a russian intervention just like how russia had intervened in the past. but russia couldn't not only couldn't russia intervene militarily it couldn't even broker a peace no the roaches had to get that done.in essence it's russia losing it's influence on the south side of the Caucasus mountains. and who knows what that's going to lead to on the north side
>>519683833It was an attempt to freeze out Russia from the market while getting access to dirt cheap energyDidn't work and here we are
>>519683863>It was an attempt to freeze out Russia from the market while getting access to dirt cheap energywhat is the "it" here I'm assuming you aren't referring to the russian invasion
>>519683504>>519683645>>519683731>>519683748>there is literally fucking *NOTHING* in the land russia barely controls in the last 4 years>a few bombed out potato field, now poisoned from 4 years of shellingcringe.
>>519683911no, the Ukraine coup in 2014One of the first major laws changed was export controls on energy to allow unlimited sellingIt was pretty moronic looking back
>>519683833>they where attacked and gave upNo, they didn't even participate. They didn't use their army. Azeris never attacked Armenia proper, only Karabakh (internationally unrecognized territory). Armenia refused to risk it and put their neck on the line and escalate into actual war between two states. Then, Russia would've had to involve. But Armenia cucked out.
>>519676179I don't take advice from whores.
>>519683959retard Russia doesn't need to extract anything, they just need to stop Ukraine doing it.
>>519677745Except your missing a critical point.If Russia looses Moscow the doctrine is too drop the entire arsenal on perceived aggressors.Not sure what's going to be left of Western Europe after 1000 plus warheads go boom.
>>519684056>Russia doesn't need to extract anything, they just need to stop Ukraine doing it.>ukraine wasnt doing it in the first placewhoa, thats even more cringe, then.
>>519684056I'm going to start buying things made in the UK and US again even if its more. I'm sick of these shit threads and the EU trying to blow up europe thinking its still 1930.
>>519684056also extract WHAT, potatoes?
>>519683992>2014 coupwell that's not the topic being discussed nor the term I'd use for it.but regardless the West still came out on top as compared to russia.russia lost it's vassal state and has launched a very costly war in an attempt to regain it it's most likely not going to and even if it does in a much diminished state never mind how much it has cost themeven if Ukraine folds tomorrow russia is returning to a much diminished 2014 position a 2014 position that was already a losing hand
>>519684117>>519684191The biggest reserves of LNG in EuropeAre you simple or something
>>519684266>The biggest reserves of LNG in Europesoooo..... Netherlands?
>>519684320I think you are attempting to refer to Norway but the reserves are more than they have
Belters are so exhausting
>>519684348>I think you are attempting to refer to Norwayno.Netherlands. there is nothing except a ruined potato field in the bombed out no-mans land russia barely got to occupy in Ukraine in the last 4 years.cope with that however you like.
>>519684077why would anyone take Moscow?Europe isn't looking to attack russia, if it wanted to it would have done so in 2022 after the russian offensive to take Kiev failed even if a war break out you haven't go to take Moscow to make russia cry uncle. >EU trying to blow up europe thinking its still 1930it isn't the EU that's invading and starting wars
>>519674125It's not about winning it's about all the dead slavniggers we get along the way
>>519684391sounds like a you problem.
>>519684266>LNG>reservesnigger do you even know what LNG is?
>>519684210The sanctions the EU passed yesterday not only are going to do way more harm to the EU than RussiaNot only that, when the ministers from Germany, Italy and France got out of session they were informed by their defense contractors that they had just fucked themselves because they now cant manufacture whats needed without the supplies they just sanctioned
>>519684441of course he doesnt.
>>519676179Maren looked 30 since she was about 17. I was following her during the crypto bull runs, imagine how shit this anorexic vegan witch looks nowShe's jewish btw
>>519684453"Nigel" can you stop trying to change the topic for one bloody secondalso every russian shill was already shouting how Europe was going to freeze to death back in 2022 idk about you but I've not frozen
>>519684441>>519684461Liquid Natural GasThe most essential element of industry in the modern world.Norway has the biggest reserves in Europe but whats in Ukraine is most likely more.It provides stable energy without the need for regulation(as in power) because it burns uniformly
>>519684558Its not about heating, you can use whatever the fuck you want for thatIts about industry
>>519684560>The Groningen gas field in the Netherlands is the largest gas reserve in Europe, though its production is being phased out and the field is scheduled for abandonment in 2024. For potential new reserves, Poland is estimated to have the largest unconventional shale gas reserves, and some untapped offshore fields like Aphrodite and Neptun Deep have the potential to become major sources of gas
>>519684620lolFuck off you toilet cleanerIts no where fucking near to Norway reservesNorway=1.6 trillionNetherlands=100 billion
>>519684752you might want to double check that, ivan.also, it seems the gas everywhere EXCEPT fucking Ukraine?ok cool thanks.
>>519684560>Liquid Natural Gas>Liquidthere isn't a reserve of LNG anywhere in the world nigger. LNG isn't a resource it's product made with NG.we buy LNG because we can't pipe in enough NG. the Ukrainian reserves would just be piped, no need to liquify them since there is existing pipe infrastructure that can be used or just build. >>519684604>its about industry >itsit's you pakki and it's still doing fine after losing over triple the amount of energy imports we are talking about here nor is russia the only source of LNG exports. for instance the US is building massive liquification plants.
>>519684868>it's still doing fine
>>519684868LNG is what it is referred to because that's how its shipped and defined on international marketsI am not sure why you need that explained but seeing as you had no clue how important it is for industry I guess you are learning as you go, well doneAh yes, I forgot a minor punctuationkek
You could read the Harvard article I posted if you like, it will explain it to you>>519683748
>>519685010you are either completely retarded, or a broken bot. >DA BIGGAST LNG RESRVE IN THE GALAXY IS DA LAND RUSSIA TOOK FROM DA UKRAINE!>nope, its actually netherlands>NUH UH DA NORWAY IS DA BIGGAST LNG RESARVA IN GLXYlmao what a fuckin' retard.
>>519674034>stop buying russian oil>more sanctions on russia>send more arms to ukraineyou can just put poo and poo together
>>519678504There is fuck all there, on the Russian side just miles of nothing, not even roads. That's why the Ukis sent small detachments there, to try to force something without weakening Thier lines where they need them. Russia just leaves it basically undefended expect for armed police. And it was still a suicide mission for everyone who took part
>>519684991>Industrial output in billions of USD (2025)>Germany: 982,067>Russia: 456,390
>>519685118here is a picture since you seem to have issues reading
All they have to do to win is stay alive and stay as an alternative to globo homo
>>519685397this jpeg proves me right, you fucking retard. >NATURAL>GAS>RESERVESuh oh.>not liquidUHOHalso:>is any of that gas in the land poor russia stole from ukraine?>NOKEK
>>519685453kek
>>519685415And be on the same side as China
>519682611I accept your surrender. No (You)s for engagement metrics though.>>519682848>Explain how Sweden joining the NATO would help ukraine? How come you bring up this to brag but seem to be so unwilling to talk about it?Btw you still couldn't answer this.Incredibly funny how easy it is to break nafotroons script with a single question They are just looping the same narrative.
>>519680758not your safe space friend
>>519686854in your post here you claimed that russia has already met all it's strategic goals >>519677398you haven't clarified what those are and I'm still waiting on you to do so.I pointed out that if one of those is to halt the expansion of NATO having Sweden and Finland join NATO means that russia has failed in this war goalyou have turned this into "but what sweden do" because you can refute thisevery time you bring it back up you just point out again that Sweden and Finland joining NATO due to the invasion of Ukraine is an own goal for russia but by all means keep seething I'm sure the AWACS planes that Sweden is providing can locate you by your cope emissions
>>519677093Looks like germany won both world wars then.
>>519674481If those numbers were real there would be no AFU and russia would just roll in effortlessly
>>519677745>the US has more spare abrams parked in the desert. than russia has tanks left in storage or in service.1 that's not true2 those tanks will never ever be used.
>>519674034can you prove you don't suck Jew dick and support BBC loving Ukrainian whores? No you can't Vasya...
For those interestedThere is an emergency meeting of the EU in London todayit was announced 48 hours agoThe subject, ukraine and the latest sanctions packageThe background, in the latest sanctions the EU "Leaders" were busy congratulating each other on sticking it to Russia until all the major defense contractors pointed out that not only will the LNG/Materials ban make it impossible to fulfil the contracts they have, it will also put up unit price by 10-15%They are having a meeting to decide how to get round their own sanctions, the defense contractors are there as well because it has become very apparent that not one "Leader" had a clue what the ramifications would be when they voted on the sanctionsClown World
>>519674034Imagine being Putin and being afraid of your own veterans (because you know once the war is over they will lynch you)
>>519688011But i have proof that putin love diversity cock xdAnd russian soldiers like belarus genrels cock
>>519687736>Was that a russian nigger or a ukranian nigger?like in american psycho, it does not matter if Patrick killed anyone- point is that>no one caresThey are the same.
