I recently watched "birthgap" about the falling birth rates around the world and the fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenue. The maker of the film claims that the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.
link https://youtu.be/m2GeVG0XYTc?si=qr2JXHPRLVwbAY6L
>>519697961>The maker of the film claims that the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.He's right. And moralfags aren't going to like that.
>>519697961Literally a non-issue. Just keep on replacing all the white people with illiterate browns, and boom, infinite growth.
>>519697961>sole factorwhy would there be a single factor?
>>519697965He shows in his graph he made at around 63 minutes that if people miss the boat of having children in their early 20s they never recover from it.
>fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenueimagine falling for this
>>519697961>Sustainable populations?>No, line must go up!
>>519697961then the author is a fucking retard/malignant actor>WHY are people having children latermore education and wealth (for both sexes)>"should we change our system to something which does not requires more and more consuming (i.e. more consumers) as time goes on?">"no! let us force people to act against their own will instead"
>>519697969that wasnt his conclusion at all.
>>519697961>and the fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenue.Gimme an Early Life on the director
>>519697964Oh shit the machines broke, who knows how to fix them???
his own data shows the population goes up to 11
>>519697973that guy was saying the population will increase temporarily due to longer lifespan. but without children it will fall off
These people want the whole planet to look like India. Just a teeming sea of consoomers packed shoulder to shoulder on every available scrap of land. Fuck each and every one of them. I hope they all burn.
>>519697966>The evidence for his theory is a graph he madeLol wut? There's clearly numerous factors, like the high cost of living, education inflation, college debt, high house prices, etc. Having kids older a symptom of all that, not a reason in itself for low birth rates
>>519697961>NOOOOO THE LINE MIGHT NOT GO UP AS MUCH >WHY WONT YOU GOYIM BREED SO YOU CAN LIVE LIKE JEETS IN INDIA DO????
>>519697961Feminism is the main reason. And the jews meant for this to happen. Women think working a job is more freedom than having a family.
>>519697978The birthrate is dropping even in countries with no feminism like Muslims ones
>>519697974these go to eleven
>>519697970what was it, then?
>rents and house prices are absurdly high>everywhere is overcrowded>no jobs available, $20/hr entry level positions get 500 applicants with college degreeshurr durr why people no want have kids hurr
Funny, when I was a kid in the 90s we were constantly told that overpopulation was gonna use up all the resources, pollute the planet, and kill us all. Now suddenly 10 or 11 billion people just isn't enough? Something really, really fucking stinks about all this.
We are overpopulated by atleast 4 billion people.
If you get rid of the welfare state you won't need tax revenue.Boom, fixed faggotBut sadly everyone is unable to even see the other side of the equation
>>519697961>the increase in average age of becoming a parent.Fun fact, you can increase the average lifespan of a population by not letting them breed until they're older. It weeds out a lot of congenital and genetic illness because those people die before they can pass on the genes. They doubled the lifespan of rats by doing this, anyone who has ever had rodents knows they just turn into tumors after a certain point, so by selecting for older breeding pairs that haven't turned into furry tumors, their offspring will be more likely to have the same kind of fitness.
>>519697984This. Nobody actually wants to wants to live in overcrowded and expensive commieblock apartments. It’s natural that people don’t have kids in this kind of setting
>people having children later is the reason for declining birth ratesCHECK OUT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRAD! So why are people having children later?
Wow, THE Chelsea film festival?
>>519697982this conclusion isnt supported by the evidence because when people were more poor in the past they had substantially more children.
>>519697988Because the planet is overpopulated with a billion scamjeets, Ngubus and Changs
>>519697990People in the past didn’t have to compete for resources as fiercely. You could afford a decent living selling bullshit with no education. Now this is impossible
>>519697992this is incel cope. most people are poor because they make bad choices and refuse to work.
>>519697993Where’s the cope? You could be a day laborer and afford a house and a new car within a couple years in the mid 20th century. This is not possible now.
>>519697993If anything your post is cope.
>>519697994governments enacted laws that increased prices artificially.
>>519697962fucking kekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B00grl3K01g
>>519697961>The maker of the film claims that the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.this is trueThey are correct if you check the age of mothers of the years and correct for age women over 30 have never been more fertile, it's women in the 20's who have seen rates drop but not enough to explain the gap. The real crater is caused by the near total disappearance of teen moms.An incorrect claim the film makes is that you can just pay women who already having kids to have more, this doesn't work we know this because multiple countries have tried this already and birth rates continue to decrease. In fact something stranger has happened instead of childlessness increasing it has decreased contrary to projections, less women are reaching menopause without having given birth at least once. Families are getting smaller and it's not a women's right or contraception issue as countries like japan didn't see either prior to the 90's but their birth rates began to crumble in the late 70's and early 80's.The problem was always modern capitalism making raising a child economically expensive. The poor have been hit the hardest contrary to what idoacracy predicted as the cheapest brands of foods and services have seen the highest rates of inflation.
>>519697961
>>519697961What have you done to increase birth rates?
>>519697992>People in the past didn’t have to compete for resources as fiercelyThis might be the dumbest statement on /tv/ right now.
>>519697999I want to see his incel arc that he undoubtedly started.
Why does the guy make no mention of the rise of incels as a key factor?
>for decades boomer media droning on how Earth is getting overpopulated and how we're on the brink of a catastrophe >population starts to drop off slightly and boomers' pensions and social security starts to look a bit unsustainable>we're getting depopulated oh the humanity quickly import infinity jeets to prop up the system so it doesn't collapse, we need the population to up indefinitely or we're going extinct!!!
>>519697961I don't know about sole factor but that's a decently sized part of it for sure.
>>519698004Imagine being the spoon guy.
Ah yes, nothing quite like being a parent in current year.
>>519697969>More wealthThe extremely poor have high amounts of children because of the same mental deficiencies that make them poor but the average person will have more kids with more wealth.
>>519697990>more poor in the pastThey weren't.
>>519697991But I like changNgubu is alright as long as I don't have to live with him, it's Tyrone I'm worried about.
>>519698007>psychotic bitch infects her son with her own mental illness and laughs maniacally about it when the courts take her sideHoly shit, this is dark.
>make a thread about birth rates>you get a bunch of nonsensical incel copes from jeets who have never seen a vaginalmao
>>519697973The UN have revised peak population down twice already while charities that work directly with women providing aid to poor countries have even lower predictions of peak population. This is without taking into account that covid reduced birth rates further and most countries have even lower birth rates after 2023 than the latest prediction.The old UN population data is not reliable for a number of reasons, BRIC countries inflate the population size to hold more political sway and it incentivises allows poor countries to ask to more aid if they can claim to have more people. Proven already by Brazil overestimating their population by at least 5% (very likely more), this doesn't sound like a much until you realise 15 million people most presumably poor suddenly did not exist until the next year when they pretended they filled in the gap and then some. China's population rates are also unlikely, given the one child policy in 1990 their population should have began contraction in the mid 2010's but is allegedly still growing in the current year all this despite migration and a lower tfr than indicated thanks to their gender imbalance.
>>519698007extremely bad
>>519697990Notice how the cost of the cheapest goods have increased the most? Poor people can't keep up and this is why the cost of raising a child is pricing the poor out completely,
>>519697961why would i want to have a baby with a woman it's not the 1970s there's actual other stuff to do. its not like after 5pm everything's shut and being at home is like being in a prison cell
>>519697999OH MY GOD WHY CAN'T THE RUG MUNCHER JUST SHUT UP
>>519698015the price of goods is not that important to having children.
>>519697961In the 1980s Iran was facing a crisis due to the ever increasing population their solution? Contraceptives like birth control and condoms, the result? Iran's fertility rate went from 7.0 in 1985 to 1.7 in 2023 keep in mind Iran in a conservative Muslim nation this is considered the greatest example of population control in history and it led to women in Iran having higher rates of education and workforce participation that is equal to that of any Western nation, now what can you deduce from this
>>519697966This graph doesn't show that at all. It doesn't really show anything, but if you give it a charitable reading, it still just shows that most babies happen to people of a particular age. The graph itself doesn't suggest anything about it getting harder to have your first baby as you age. It just shows that people at 40 aren't having many first babies which could be because they all had one already, or because nobody who's 40 wants to.The even worse problem with what OP is saying is that he's listing a symptom as a cause and therefore not explaining any cause at all: If you have something that happens, and you lower the rate that it happens, then the time before the first time it happens becomes later as a consequence. The cause of the later start is the lower rate and you need to find the cause of that
>>519698018Your complaints about womens rights are how they view men are only true for rich western countries. While getting rid of dating apps, instagrams and reducing women's rights may vastly improve your bargaining power in the dating market it will do nothing for the birth rate. There are countries who outlaw those apps and have restrictive women's right but their birth rates are no batter.
>>519698019We need to give contraceptives to the third world
>>519697961>the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.what did they mean by this
>>519697982>>519698015>>519698018See >>519698019 the cause is literally the advent of contraceptives guess when they were introduced in this picture
>>519698004It's all an elaborate pyramid scheme really. Shit downwards and let someone else clean the stains.
>>519697976all fake bullshit, people had kids by the bucket at 1/20th of the current GDP.Subsaharan Africans are going to cover the planet in 2100 despite being the poorest people on Earth.
>>519698023don't look into the effects older partners reproducing has on the health of the childrenyou know ... in the Animal kingdom, I mean
>>519698024Wrong multiple countries ban contraceptives or didn't see them introduced until long after the introduction of contraceptives and abortion.See Japan for a "rich western" example.
Zoomers don't know this but like ~20 years ago the media was pushing "overpopulation" as a concern and then recently they switched to underpopulation lol. Not my problem
>>519697961OY VEY GOY WERE OVERPOPULATEDOY VEY GOY WE NEED BROWN PEOPLE TO REPLACE YOU BECAUSE WERE UNDERPOPULATED
>>519698028>The Pharmaceutical Law, also passed in 1949, increased the list of contraceptives, excluding the pill, that could be produced, advertised, and sold in JapanJapan has had contraceptive use enshrined in law since 1949 you lying dog cunt
>>519698028>>519698031Gee what happens after 1949 when Japan enshrines the use of contraceptives into law? You fucking lying dog cunt
>>519698004this. Boomers are faustian in nature and will do ANYTHING for profit even if it means turning your town into India.
>>519698028Where have you run off to dog? Admit you were wrong like a man
>>519698031for women dumbass, the pill was not available until the 90's
>For every person that has zero kids, another must be the parent of five to offset them>So on for someone who has just one, another needs four etc.Free will is just completely untenable with population maintenance. There are way more people who want zero children than people who want five or more.
>>519698035There's more than the pill you stupid cunt ever heard of an IUD? Of course not because you're a fucking retard Japan was on track for a post war baby boom just like the West but the government sought population control through measures like contraceptives so it could achieve a high standard of living neck yourself you waste of air
>>519698037IUD use is very low especially in japan and was unavailable through the 60's unless you think that this bill suddenly forced men to put on condoms it. would not change much.
>>519698038>In the 1950s, female contraception in Japan was primarily promoted through a government-led birth control campaign that focused on educating the public via community health workers like midwives and public health nurses. These "birth control instructors" taught couples about contraception and provided access to methods like condoms and diaphragms, which became more readily available after the Pharmaceutical Law of 1949 was enactedI don't know why you're so fucking retarded oh wait I do because you're a nigger
>>519698035I also don't understand this fixation on the pill and solely female contraceptives when I never stated it to be gender specific at all but I guess you're a dumb nigger so that's life for you a dumb nigger being unable to understand what is being said
>>519698039>Says it's IUD's>Then says it's government programsYes because obviously all government programs work. The drop in birth rates didn't happen until 30 years later.
People are not reproducing because 8 billion people is too fucking many people. What is the mystery?
>>519698041>Japan was on track for a post war baby boom just like the West but the government sought population control through measures like contraceptivesWhat's life like being a dumb nigger who can't read?
>>519698041Also the birthrates start falling less than a year after the 1949 law you stupid cunt you're both illiterate and innumerate
>>519697996Priced increased because monopolies and industrial cartels captured the government and use it as their puppet to enact favorable legislation (known as “pro-buisness” legislation). They convinced normal people to go along with it being giving them a stake in the game by giving them 401ks and cheap credit
>>519698041>30 years later
>>519698040so your solution is to make condoms illegal like afghanistan, cool>>519698044France also saw a drop in birth rates in the early 50's before having a baby boom maybe it's because they lost a generation of young people
>>519698001It’s true. You didn’t have the compete for a job and housing with every single Jeet in the world decades ago. At most you’d compete with people from within your state or province
>>519698047Yeah I already said that but the 1949 law and government stopped it this will be the third time of me mentioning it >>519698043>>519698037>Japan was on track for a post war baby boom just like the West but the government sought population control through measures like contraceptivesWant me to post it again? Maybe 5 or 6 more times and you'll understand? Dumb nigger
>>519698047>so your solution is to make condoms illegal like afghanistan, coolThis was never even what the conservation was about it was to do with what has led to the falling birthrate you dumb nigger kike subverting faggot
>>519697961At some point the immigrants run out and wages will rise again to the point women wont need to work and babies will be highly desirable.
>>519698026You don't need to be rich to have kids but you need a house. Millennials are still living with their parents at 40.
>>519698029Overpopulation is a real problem for everyone though, and we're already suffering from its effects. Underpopulation is only a problem for jews.
>>519698049I don't use the pre ww2 rates as my argument is that modern capitalism is to blame, japan kept up a birth rate above replacement until the end of the 70's.>>519698050That is your solution using pre ww2 population rates unless you want to outline another. IUD's and the pill did not have the impact you're pointing to. If your data is reliable then it's condoms.
>>519698051>the immigrants run outThe amount of Jeets in your country by that point will decrease the QOL to the point nobody wants to have kids
>>519697972name one other race that has ever developed machines.
>>519698054Iran kept theirs at 7.0 until the government sought population control through measures like contraceptives and it fell to 1.7 you dumb nigger what you're saying is retarded because it compounds over time so of course the birthrate won't plummet to below 2.1 in the span of a year you stupid fucking cunt the data all points to contraceptives leading to lower birthrates you dumb fucking monkey and as I already showed Japan did rely on condoms and diaphragms >>519698039 you black cunt
>>519698055Covid was a blessing and a curse. I no longer give a fuck about white genocide. There is nothing special about the vast majority of my race.
>>519698036>want>free willhello newfag
>>519697961Since I was a child, I have always felt that my society hated me and wanted me dead.Seeing them wring their hands over it now…what? This doesn’t sit right
>>519698057But again Iran used condoms not the pill or IUD's. The introduction of programs promoting condoms might line up with iran's fertility but looking at latin America that doesn't seem to be the case.
>>519698060They’re upset that there’s not enough people to keep having line go up.
>>519697972Not my problem.
>>519698057>and diaphragmsThose needed a prescription so no it's still condoms
>>519698022They don't use them faggot. Why do you think Africa is full of AIDS?
can someone blackpill me on why low birthrates are bad?
>>519698066I actually welcome low birth rates and you should ignore most of the dooming but the obvious problem is infrastructure, it doesn't scale and needs a certain capacity to warrant fixing and upgrading.It will increase over crowding in bigger cities as people from smaller cities with crumbling infrastructure move to a bigger one. You can see this happen with south Korea.
>>519698062They're not very bright are they.
>>519698065How about some kind of bioweapon to reduce fertility then?hey wait a minute...
>>519697961>The maker of the film claims that the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.I'm too broke to own a car, how the fuck do they expect me to fuck?
>>519698070this is manosphere incel logic. women dont care if you have a car.
>>519697961>falling birthrates around the world>meanwhile in India: 2 billion Indian Hindu rape rats, having 25 million new inbred babies per year (3 times the breeding rate of China at 8 million babies per year)Yeah, it's not even a birthgap problem. It's civilization not having kids and them being replaced when the small hat wearing pedos tell us we need to replace ourselves with Indian Hindu invaders who breed like cockroaches.inb4 one of those rapejeets spams the same lie about INDIA BELOW REPLACEMENT SAAR (it's a lie, the fact that it's coming from the mouth of a Hindu should be enough to tell you)
>>519698056The Japanese?
>>519697961i.e. women shouldn't be allowed to attend university
>>519698061Iran did use the pill you dumb nigger why speak when you're such an ignorant black monkey? The government provided them from the 1980's and only started to prevent their use since 2022 in order to increase the population above replacement>>519698064Are you a dense nigger or what? Those were legal and promoted in Japan in 1949 as I already posted but yes I don't understand why you seem to think contraceptive automatically equals female birth control I am explicitly saying contraceptive for a reason you nigger
>>519698072These bloody savages are breeding like rabbits. We should have not tried to civilise them.
here's how you increase birthrates: make it so a 25 year old can sustain both a spouse and first child on a single paycheckthis same person at 28 years old needs to be able to sustain 2 children and a spouse on the same single paycheckand this same person at 31 years old needs to be able to sustain 3 children and a spouse said spouse should not have to get a parttime job until the oldest child enters highschoolyou do that and people are suddenly miraculously going to have more kids
>>519698061Where did you go you fucking coward? Iran used the pill, allowed IUD's, vasectomies and everything else Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini even issued fatwas for their use now admit you're a black money
>>519698075They were legal in japan but look into it's use.
>>519698066Whenever you hear "low birth rates", add white beforehand.And now, think that anything below a rate of 2 kids per family is below replacement levels (since those 2 kids are supposed to replace the parents when they eventually die).Ok, so whites have 1.8. While africans, muslimes and jeets have around 2.5 to 4, depending on the country. So let's make it 3.Now imagine 100 people per every group. >whitesNow there's 90 people>jeetsNow there's 150 jeetsGo another generation>whites81 people>jeets225 jeetsNow go another generation and it's 73 whites vs 337 jeets. JUST JEETS. If it's the rest of the rodents, it's around 1012. And this is if we put it at an EVEN number RIGHT NOW.
>>519697961ITT: Subhuman brown cattle who simultaneously hate White superiority, while wishing for Whites to go extinct, thus ensuring they will live in inferior, collapsing, failed states.I hate to say it, but Jews are right about most of you goyim. Anyone who can't instantly understand why White supremacy is good, moral, and necessary for society is a worthless subhuman who deserves the suffering they will be forced to endure in a non-White system.>Erm, why are you racist>Erm, money isn't important>Erm, are you saying minorities are treated badly?Enjoy being slaves in your Jew-Freemason total-surveillance capitalist dystopia because you couldn't shut the fuck up and let benevolent White men rule you.
>>519698080doesnt that mean that the other races are better at survival than the whites?
>>519698076Indeed. No one has done more to destroy this planet than the British after giving these rats fertilizer.
>>519698081>implying jews are white
>>519698075The pill doesn't matter that is my argument, outlawing the pill doesn't effect the outcome as birth rates were below replacement in many countries before it was ever legal.I'm in favour of low birth rates because it starves the machine, call me a cuck or whatever but if I was black money why would I blame post 70's capitalism at all?
>>519698082No, it means that whites are the only ones who have a conscience and were psyoped into believing that they can only have kids if they are in optimal conditions, while the rest just swarms the planet with more low IQ retards because they don't care if they shit out 4 kids that will leave surrounded by garbage.K/r selection strategies.
>>519698082>better at survivalWhites have sent trillions to them and they are barely surviving lmao
>>519697968indeedhow many cashiers does a country need?math needs to be done: find out what amount of people sustainable farming can provide for (without stressing out the farmers!) and go from therenobody needs 2 billion jeets whose only role in life is to bother those around them... or 2 billion chinese who all run the same "software" with the same parametersthe entire population should be around a comfy 1 billion, with 600 million for Americas+Europe+Middle East+North Africa+Australia, 300 million for Asia, and 100 million for Subsaharan fricamaybe 2 billion if people can behave themselves with modern tech for 100 years.
>>519698085Contraceptives is what matters you stupid nigger that is what has caused the collapse in birthrates the evidence is overwhelming and because of contraceptives it allows women to enter the workforce and obtain education as it's a child that prevents them from doing that as the data shows nations with the highest and youngest ages of pregnancy lead to women having the lowest levels of education and workforce participation
>>519698088>>519698088Yeah sure. Now notice how the only populations that think this way are Whites and the Japanese.This kind of thinking means that the world will be inherited by a bunch of retards.
>>519698088It doesn't work that way, evolution selects for those who breed the most, not for intelligence or civilization. We are looking at a human extinction level threat at this point where every country gets jeetformed into India because they shit out enough babies to replace the entire world, and our (((leaders))) mass import them to do so...which in turn drops native birth rates, because no one wants to have kids when their future is living in colonies of India.
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>>519698090I didn't say it as an argument for no reproductionin fact there are probably two different issues and conflating them is committing a grave error (which OP's movie, seems to also commit)the key for White and Japanese reproduction is doing away with public education (at least for women... as not only fills their head with delusions, but if they manage to have children they will abuse them)
>>519698092Would you look at that it's almost like if a women is pregnant she's unable to get an education or work almost like rearing a child prevents that almost like it's contraceptives causing low birthrates allowing women to do these things and not the other way around
>>519698091>evolution selects for those who breed the most, not for intelligence or civilizationnot really, it selects for those who survive enough to breed (that's why both r and K strategies are viable)the problem is that we gave medicine, antibiotics, refrigerators etc. to countries who specialized thousands of years ago into shitting out maximum possible babies (india and subsaharan africa)all we need to do is to confiscate their tech, and the world will heal itself; and probably barricade them too, so the shit won't leak out
>>519698092>>519698094Look at how Iran who enacted birth control dropping the fertility rate to 1.7 and has low rates of teenage pregnancy has women having high levels of education almost like a child would prevent that because you can't rear a child and go to school or work all this in a conservative Muslim country btw as if the cause is universal
>>519698095Fun fact: Chinese historians recounting the first encounters with Indians mention that they weren't the apex predators since Bengal tigers would scoop them up.The English truly fucked the planet by civilizing them.
>>519698006switched to spoon after he bit his thumbsmartest raavi
>>519698095Good luck, there are 36 million of them who have permanently left India. Soon every white country will have an Indian president or PM and they will make sure that never happens.https://x.com/amandalouise416/status/1929362235048231402India plans to export at least 250 million Indian Hindu males into western countries by 2050, fearing that by that time the doors of migration will be closed to India because of anti-Indian sentiment. India hopes that by placing hundreds of millions of influential Indians at every level of western governments, boardrooms, tech/IT companies, and politics, they will be able to keep the gates open for the other 2 billion Indians.
>>519698004>thinks that the needed replacement of whites by third worlders is an unexpected outcome and not the desired oneOh sweet summer child
>>519698096Unbelievably grim....but why isn't this affecting India?
>>519698101India has high teenage birthrates amongst the rural population India is very large with a stark difference between the urban and rural areas it's the latter driving birth rates
>>519698101You can't expect bioweapons to follow human reproduction patterns.But in all seriousness? Indians are too small for even small sized condoms LMAO
>>519698099all it takes is one elon muskor, alternatively, for jeets to really piss off china and/or the muslimswhere there's a will, there's a way
>>519698101india is the world's Idiocracy hicks
>>519698101>>519698102Also the those in lowest socioeconomic bracket in India have the most kids for all the retards who spout the economy is the reason this is true in the West as well
>>519698077You are so fucking dumb it hurts. Poors don't stop having kids, in fact it is opposite, what stops people from having kids is being too self aware. Retards plan and wait for perfect opportunity to have kids and suddenly they are 40, while in 19th century and before they would just fuck and oopsie here are the kids.
>>5196981011. they still view women as talking objects (I know this from a girl who had an Indian professor in the UK)2. people usually reproduce in rural places, and india never had cities (like they were defined in the Middle East, Europe, China, Japan etc.: a fortified place where you can chill out with people whose company you enjoy), even their current day "cities" are just gigantic towns... I ain't even talking about the slums, but "hi-tech" citites... with garbage and human shit and malformed beggars next to teslas
>>519698106at least in india its rural economics (many hands light work) so it makes sense
>>519697961Just have the (((((bankers))))) take a haircut on the debt and there aren't any issues. It's obvious that's what will happen and by then we should be up to 115 rather than the current 109.
>>519698109>many hands light workthat's also important, makes you appreciate life and keeps you healthy (and a great occupation for women!)meanwhile in the West we actually pay money to Indians for light industry products and we rot away from inaction
>>519698089Contraceptives are available everywhere. this argument doesn't matter because they have been available in africa forever but their drop in fertility rates is only happening in the last decade.Your argument is africans are dumb and don't use them which would be fine but ignores plenty of other countries that did not need contraceptive programs to see extreme reductions in fertility rates.
>>519698052You don't. My grandparents raised my mom and her 4 siblings in a 2 bedroom apartment. It has nothing to do with economics, the fall in birthrate is the result of women spending their 20s in college.
>>519698113>he fall in birthrate is the result of women spending their 20s in college
>>519698113>>519698114> the fall in birthrate is the result of women spending their 20s in college.You're so close
>>519698114>twice as many single women as men age 18-29>but also more single males in every categorySo who the fuck is taking all the single women age 18-29?
the world should be completely de industrialisedhumanity should go back to living as hunter gatherers in unison with naturehomosapien population worldwide should be capped at 10 million
>>519698116chads
>>519698115Ok, what is it?
>>519698119You're going to have to make the leap yourself
>>519698120So you have no idea. You probably think it's jews or something.
>>519698007/horror/ general
>>519698020thank you.
>>519698121No, I have an angle that isn't popular to talk about.
>>519698056Uhh, the Greeks?>those are whitefuck
>>519698124I think I know what you're talking about and you're right not to say anything. The CIA watches this place pretty close and they'll track you down if they think you know what's really going on.
>>519698126Pffft, it's not anything like that. It's just socially unacceptable, and I'd rather lead people to water than try forcing them to drink. So to speak.
>>519697998>The problem was always modern capitalism making raising a child economically expensive. False.The strongest correlate is women's independence. It's not rocket science.>Hammer into the head of multiple generations that "winning in life" is pursuit of Status Symbols™ of consumerdom, immediate gratification, comfort and convenience>Family formation is uncool, unpleasant, unrewarding on short term, the sacrifices it demands distract from being a Good Consumer>People do not form familiesSimple as.
>>519697961Okay, here is a controversial opinion that might sound a bit chuddy, but makes sense. Lower birthrates are a major threat to a civilization because they are slowly wiping it out. Its almost similar to war, which threatens to wipe out a civilization but via violence.So my suggestion is this. Since men get drafted during a time of war, then why wont women forcibly open the legs to the nation when the numbers are rough? Im not suggesting for them to whore out to random retards, Im suggesting that it should be mandatory for women to be married in their 20s and have a child, otherwise they will have to pay heavy fines or even get a husband assigned to them by the state,(which sucks for them). I mean, it sounds reasonable and fair when the one sex will sacrifice themselves for a nation's sake when the time will arise.You dont even need immigrants to repopulate a nation, but I know that this is the greatest plot from jews, to create the fabled golem
>>519698128remove african countries and afghanistan then try again
>>519698127No no, I understand.
>>519698131Humor meHow would you address what I am trying to address in a way normalfags would be able to handle
>>519697961He confuses the symptom with the cause.
>>519698132First thing's first, you have to make sure no one close to you is in on it. If you suspect them even a little, you have to get away from them.
>>519698055Remigration. And QOL will never drop that low, I'll fuck your wife for you if need be.
>>519698134I am sorry that you are retarded. Have a nice day
That's the most pro-semitic pro-white genocide I have ever heard
>>519698136Keep fighting the good fight!
>>519698129There are already unreasonable concentrations of humans that strain the resources and environment. Instead of roaming herds of cattle and flocks of chickens, animals have to be packed in insanely small pens and stacked upon one another to meet the demand for food, people are wantonly pillaging vast areas of the seas to meet demands, and the the pollution from fertilizer and pesticide run-off into our waterways is awful. All that is even discounting the gigantic piles of rubbish buried or simply strewn about.If humanity wants to decline to 1/5th it's current numbers I just consider it nature healing. So thanks Chudley, for doing your part for Mother Nature and keeping your inferior genes out of the pool.
>>519698117thank you anon, it's a good feeling (albeit scary) to know there are even bigger fanatics than I am>completely deindustrialisedthere is probably no big problem with industry, the problem is that instead of volunteers or people who work in factories as a career choice, "they" decided to make public education a thing, so they can have "industrially produced humans" to man their machinesTHAT's bad
kek
>>519698133>the israel questionwell almost everyone who reproduces in Israel is orthodox or haredi, and there is maximum "gender inequality" in those communitiesconservative jews are just like normal (white) people while reform jews are stereotypical LGBT faggots
>>519698139>There are already unreasonable concentrations of humans that strain the resources and environmentYou are talking about brown people. Their numbers are way too big, and they do strain the resources and the environment. Im talking about civilizations that have birth rate problem, like japan for example.
>>519698138Stop thinking you're funny.
>>519698140It's all going to be automated in a decade or two regardless. The Factory Worker will be a quaint vestige of the past, like the Switchboard Operator or Film Developer.
>>519698128>>519698133You have it backwards one precedes the other look at Kazakhstan they managed to reduce their falling birth rates while going up on the other metrics of your chart. You should be asking what "economic factors" would be driving families would need to keep their daughters in school for so long.
>>519698143>You are talking about brown people.Have you never been to an American city? Ever?
>>519698144I just hate you schizos who need to be a part of every conversation despite having nothing to say. The jews are not the reason you have no kids.
>>519698112Contraceptives being available and how common their use is are two different things you dumb nigger
>>519698148Thou dost protest too much.
>>519698150Still nothing huh?
>>519698145that's like saying "well, we solved problem X so we should no longer collect that tax introduced to manage problem X"today people who "benefit" form public education (including university education a.k.a. daycare which somehow became de rigueur) do not work in factories eitherwhat makes it even worse is that you are saying>going to be automatedlike it's a good thing (see my post here >>519698111 )
>>519698147America is a melting pot. You niggas are beyond saving. You should literally be contained not to migrate anywhere else in the world. Your kike loving mentality is what brought us here
>>519698113See >>519698092>>519698094>>519698096You've got it backwards the only reason are able to attend higher education is because contraceptives prevent them from getting pregnant which is what would be happening teenagers are still having sex it's just that we've eliminated the consequence of that which is pregnancy and children
>>519697961My take is that life became too comfy under umbrella of US hegemony to ruin it with kids.There's also too much people on this gay earth so declining birth rates are bad only for capitalists since it shorts the pool or workforce from which they can extract wealth.
>>519698151I can say the jews, while not the precise cause, are a major contributor to declining birth rates in developed countries. Come and drink.
>>519698152The age of Sweatshops was not fun or enriching for anyone but the Oligarchs of that era. It was not, "better times".
>>519698156It's still a free country, you can say whatever misguided shit you want, doesn't factor into it being true.
>housing crisis in every western country>women are brain poisoned against men by media>endless swarm of immigrants>first generation in a long time to be worse off than the previous onewhoa why is nobody making babies??
>>519698156There you go. This is 4chan, you don't have to go through this gay vagueposting rigamarole, you can just name the jew.
>>519698146You're clearly retarded because the trend line clearly shows lower fertility = increased female education Kazakhstan doesn't disprove this it proves it you're too stupid to understand context like nations with large rural populations that still have high birthrates or Orthodox Jews whose men are forbidden from working and must study the Torah by religious law that create these outliers to differing degrees depending on the causes behind it
>>519698160It's not the jews exactly, although they seem to promote the problem. >>519698158I'd rather people make the leap to the conclusion I've made. I'll do as much as trying to lead people to that conclusion.
>>519698149>Contraceptives just aren't readily availableBut they were in the 70 and 80's everywhere else? Care to explain Ireland's drop in fertility despite an ongoing ban preventing accessible contraceptives?No one wants birth rates climb above 4+ even with our declining birth rates youth employment struggled long before AI.
>>519698162You aren't leading people to anything. You're just being a schizo faggot incapable of discussing ideas. Please be part of the problem and never have children.
/tv/ - television & film
>>519698146made it so you can understand why Kazakhstan doesn't disprove the trend line
>>519698164Feeling sexually frustrated?
>>519698163>In the 1960s, international developments began to influence Ireland’s approach to contraception. Most notably, the contraceptive pill had been developed in the 1950s and reached the Irish market by the mid-1960s, though it was initially prescribed as a "cycle regulator" for menstrual problems.[5] Many married women were able to access the Pill by complaining of heavy or irregular periods, thus practising birth control under a medical pretext.[5] Academic studies note that during the 1960s and 1970s, the Pill effectively became "the only contraceptive available legally" in Ireland, albeit accessed through "coded language" between patients and sympathetic doctors.>Meanwhile, the first modest attempts to expand access emerged. In 1969, the Irish Family Planning Association (IFPA) and similar clinics started to offer contraceptives by "donation" (not for sale) in order to skirt the law.[3] These clinics operated mainly in Dublin and other urban, middle-class areas.[3] Although still technically illegal, they showed that demand for birth control was growing. For most of the 1960s, the law forbade sale and import of contraceptives, but many couples quietly practised family planning via the pill or discreet imported condoms under a doctor's care.>As of January 2023, there are more than a dozen contraceptive choices available in Ireland, including the daily pill, condoms and more long-term methods such as the coilWhy do you lie? Why do you go on the internet and just lie
how do we make the world better for humans without destroying the economy?
>women refuse to compromise their lifestyles to have children while insisting they are disadvantaged at all times>meanwhile men are so despondent they turn into trannies to enjoy a sliver of the privilege women haveinsane
>>519698167How could I not when you keep edging me?
>>519698161The trend line doesn't prove your argument either if one happened before the other. Rich westernised countries are all above the trend line but poor south asian countries are below the trend line with near equal birth rates the trend exists mostly because of the underdeveloped (mostly african) countries on the chart.
>>519698172Retard the trend line shows decreased fertility leads to increased education you dumb nigger it's not all at the same level but it points only in one direction and that is down of course there are outliers such as Israel because of Orthodox Jews but that doesn't disprove it you dumb nigger
>>519698166Kazakhstans birth rate is almost 3 it's Israel tier if you remove Africa + Afghanistan you will see it does disprove your chart as the only thing your chart actually explains is poverty. If you want a birth rate well above sustainability banning contraceptives and women for higher education will get you there but you will no longer be rich.
>>519698172You're also entirely ignoring the fact that I point out teenage pregnancy rates as major contributor you black monkey nigger
>>519698174You will find poverty comes from lower levels of education and causes lower levels of education? Higher teenage pregnancy rates which also leads to higher fertility you dumb nigger and what prevents teenage pregnancy? Contraceptives
>>519698171loleIn the words of Nietzsche "I want you to be hard"
>>519698175I never disagreed with that in fact that was my first argument way back when I posted the charts. I first made this post >>519697998My argument has not changed.
>>519698174And yes I would rather be poor than be "rich" and be a minority in my homeland on the verge of extinction so invaders can have a higher standard of living you're clearly a kike though because you think material wealth means a better life or conditions
>>519698174Nonsense. If a woman goes to college and gets a high paying job, that's one skilled worker. If a woman instead has 6 children, 3 of whom are boys, that's 3 skilled workers and 3 more baby factories. The first world would be far richer if women were kept out of higher education.
so what is the actual cause of the birth rate loss, capitalism?
>>519698157but they could have been
>>519698181Contraceptives particularly in their effect in lowering teenage pregnancy rates
>>519698183isnt birth control a good thing?
>>519698178Also you're the dumb cunt who was already proven wrong about Japan I already showed as the government sought population control after it started to grow post WW2 and it immediately started to lower the birthrate
>>215454795If you want birth rates to go up become a mormon/amish
>>519698157>second guy from the left basically Sean Connerylolany good robber baron kino beside Oliver Twist (the 1948 version ofc) which only had minimal amount of robberbaroning anyway?
>>519698184Only if you have an ethnoreligion and live in a ethnostate so that way you can have a high standard of living and an above replacement level birthrate
>>519698184Ideally a society where children are made because people want to be parents and not as a consequence of sex is a good thing. But the trouble is that we aren't psychologically evolved for those conditions and the fertility crisis will collapse civilization before we have a chance to adapt.
>fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenueThis is the essence of his consumerist ideology: humanity's worth is its contribution to the economic. A human is purely to ensure tax revenue and profit.Consumerist's always try and hide behind the veil of valuing humanty on some metaphysical level, but it honestly comes down to seeing each person as how much money can be wrung from them.
>>519698184NTA but the hormonal ones are not a good thing any way you look at it (turns females into communist butch-dykes even if they don't look like one)in fact pharmaceuticals are an insane domain if you look at it, 95% of meds we have absolutely no idea how or why they work, and what other things they affectprobably more advances into medicine were made in 1850-1950 than afterward, as we regressed to the level of a trial-and-error retard
>>519698178You're also a retard that said Japan's population didn't start to fall until the late 70s despite it clearly starting to go down just ONE YEAR after Japan initiated a government driven population control policy >>519698046 and the population actually going up slightly in the late 70's you seem to not consider a population declining until it's actually under replacement regardless if it's going that way a year five years or ten years prior as though you just plummet to that birthrate instantly and it's not a gradual decline you fucking moronic niggering cunt
Nothing that mass death can't fix
>>519697973thiries are going to keep having kids
>>519698193>mass death in the good'ol days of art deco, googie, and tiki bars, we even had an unit of measure for that: megadeath(s)
>>519697990when most people were farming kids worked on the farm and generated money. now kids cost money and everything's expensive and we don't have enough resources
>>519698192birthrate didn't start to fall* the birthrate slowly going up in the late 70s*
>>519698190Zero-demand systems cannot exist in a physical sense. If demand is not native it will be manufactured and enforced, like the Soviets did with their products
>>519697961Ban boomers from selling assets and make it compulsory for them to pass wealth and holdings on to family or immediately lose all pensions. Ban all life extending healthcare for boomers and Gen X. Ban all people and corporations from owning more than a single home. Ban all foreign national ownership of property. Remove all foreign nationals. Build homes for first time buyers only. Problem solved.
>>519698199>The government orders you to consume and enjoy this product, comrade
>The current global population is approximately 8.2 billion as of 2025, and it is projected to reach around 10.2 billion by the year 2100. oh le no. only 8 billion normoids.there isn't even enough nukes to wipe out humans. we're like cockroaches. the planet would have to explode to wipe us out.
>>519698201But the economy will stop growing and gdp could fall I mean hell think about your market assets and how their value growth could grind to a haltHow the fuck does this shit seriously not worry you people
>>519698202Can't tell if sarcasm or not.
why does everyone want to belong to the "middle class"?
>>519697963I didn't have my kids till 30 and 36 is that the problem?
>>5196982041. less responsibility: you just do what you are told or continue the business you inherited etc.2. can afford to leave far from gypsies and niggers or white people who behave like them3. access to premium healthcare (medics were enslaved in the French Revolution, as the ultimate PR move: HEY WE GOT AUTISTS THAT CAN HEAL YOU EVEN IF YOU RAPE THEM!!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GImkk-J3Ws
>>519697961>fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenue.8 Billion Niggers by 2100
>>519698207the nigger population will unironically collapse the moment there is a major stop in grain & aid. 500k infants died in Sudan from famine recently due to the civil war and nobody noticed, they're like locusts dying.
>>519698207Then no one will be working
>>519698208>the nigger population will unironically collapse the moment there is a major stop in grain & aid.Sure. But how many high-quality genetic specimens will they liberate from the world of the living during this?>>519698209Yeah, no plumbing.
>>519697961Kinda funny how not that long ago everyone whined really hard about overpopulation for the longest time. Now it's the opposite all of a sudden. I find the flip-flopping over this amusing.
>>519698208that's very antisemitic
Why have I never seen Ben Shapiro or other youtube news-sources discussing this topic?
>>519697961>the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.I mean sure but that implies a whole spectrum of factors. Availability of housing, social cohesion, general sense of security.
>>519698211We need to stop having children to combat global warming(formerly the big freeze). But not Africa despite them being the only population above replacement levels. After all, Africans contribute much less CO2 per capita. But also we need to import millions of Africans to Europe to 1000x their CO2 production.
>>519697961>sole factorThere are no other factors There are no other factorsThere are no other factorsThere are no other factorsThere are no other factorsThere are no other factorsThere are no other factors
>>519698216
>>519698008the poor are also having less children on averagebecause you don't need a three or four generation household anymore to not fucking die when you start being unable to work
When will the economy actually crash?
>>519697961Way more other reasons, mainly AOC and arranged marriages going away. But if we do continue to allow women to have kids more and more as they get older, we'll have a lot of other new problems to deal with on a national scale. Imagine millions of 35+yo cracked egg roasties popping out millions and millions of children with birth defects or illnesses that will kill them before they reach adulthood. Demographics is about to get so fucking strange in the next hundred years omg
>>519697961Government can I have gibs for baby boom? To secure future workforce for globalism? Yeeeees OK Actually overthrows world order like a bossss 8)
>>519697961its womens education, thats all it is, want more babies, stop educating women, particularly reading
>>519698216>>519698217even that factor is because people don't have enough extra money to sustain extra humansback in the 1950s, 1960s, and even the early 1970s you could comfortably own a house, two cars, and sustain a family of four with a regular 9-to-5 job (and that includes your wife not having to work... and music lessons for your children)
>>519697963Boomers acted like their kids having kids before “having it all figured out” (doesn’t exist) was the end of the world and now we’re here
>>519697993These are the types of posts i assume people are paid to make Which makes it all the more ironic
>>519698001Prove he’s wrong
>>519698012>stop being right!>muh pussy!
>>519697972There will always be enough white people to maintain infrastructure for the wealthy, it’s the masses that will suffer.
>>519698066The world is a slave caste with jews holding the whips and setting the pricesWhite slaves are the most valuableWhite slaves are deciding they’d rather die then continue this charade and the Jews are getting uppity
>>519698071Yes they doMassively
>>519698082>>519698086>>519698087Damn brownie got btfoImagine being handed everything to you by jews as a hand me down version of what white people earned and acting like you’re some survival master race and not lucky cockroaches
>>519698026>You need to graduate at 18>Haha just kidding, you need a college degree by 21>What was that? College degree? Everyone has those now, you need to stay in school until 23>Okay now you need to spend a year finding yourself and relaxing. Woohoo 20s!>Now I’m 28, I need to find somebody to marry>Now I’m 30 and feeling ready to make babies
>>519698224it was more that they didn't want the financial burden of grandchildren, which is something that's literally never happened in history before the industrial revolution. which means the main factor is post-industrial-revolution economics disincentivizes having children.
>>519698228>>519698229>>519698231>>519698233Yes Ivan we know you're raiding. Yes Ivan we know this is another pol raid thread.
>>519697961>Why is this happening?Because of Whores and Jews. Now fuck off.
Well, capitalistic markets require perpetual expansion to operate successfully—new labor markets to dominate, even more new consumers to inject money back in. Similar to how a Ponzi scheme or US treasuries work. Declining birth rates threatens to upend the whole system of infinitely projected growth.
>>519698234it was not but it's quite funny to see a /tv/ thread moved to /pol/
>>519698205The older the woman is the more difficult it is to conceive. It's a decent argument but it's obviously not the sole factor. There is a massive cultural factor as well. Not all roastoids change their mind and want to settle down after taking 100k miles of cock and some dozen abortions in their 20s.
ive always been ugly and 5'8" not my problem what happens to society, literally none of this affects me, i will always be a societal reject so why care
>>519698113>My grandparents raised my mom and her 4 siblings in a 2 bedroom apartment. ISame exact thing with my dad and his 4 brothers. Except it was a 1 bedroom apartment (two rooms total) in the USSR. The whole money excuse is retarded. It's all based around the fact that women want to be whores for as long as possible and by the time they are done with taking infinite cum dumps their pussies tend to be broken from all the birth control and/or abortions.
>>519697998>poor morons check their finances before fuckingnah, that ain't it chief
>>519697963So then don't have any kids if you're a bit older, thus making the birth rate even lower?
non-whites keep breeding more, whites less.crack head insane homeless whites keep breeding also. there was a white crackhead guy with 7 kids, who stabbed a doordash driver recently. somewhere in WA or OR. not enough pressure to crush and solve the low quality ppl problem.
>>519697961The sole factor is immigration god damnit. Stop flooding the housing market with brown horses and whites will reproduce. But I’m not going to reproduce when I can’t afford shelter
>>519702421Browns reproduce in any conditions. Whites will not mass reproduce when we can’t even afford shelter working a full time job.
>>519697999how she used that poor guy for clout lmao that woman is seriously messed up
>>519697961It's hoeflation./thread
>>519698001>50 million immigrants appear suddenly Are you fucking retarded to think resource circulation is the same? That’s why housing has more than tripled in price nigger. There’s not enough to go around anymore the brown hordes are here
>>519697961>more people than ever on earth>ohhh nooo le falling birthrates crisis!
It costs around $10k plus tip to have a healthy baby in an American hospital. That’s about 25% of what I make in a year pre-tax.
>>519697961>And it was all men’s fault! Fuck these shitheads
>>519697965Simple minds require simple answers.
>>519697961>muh GDP - the documentaryanother work of jewish genius.
>>519698004There enough jeets in India to replace every single working adult on the continents of Europe and North America and still have a billion left over.
>>519702527This is due to women's rights, i.e., jews. Women will reproduce when you breed them and they don't get to scrape it out. It's really that simple and has nothing to do with whites or rich or poor.
>>519697961>fears for the implications of the loss of labor and tax revenue.
>>519702067Think a little but harder, retard. You’re almost there.
>>519702527This has been debunked
>>519697961Nobody is serious about solving this issue, becaude people caused this problem themselves. Nobody forced them to not have kids. What’s gonna happen is bolshevism will take over the west, and the retards who stayed behind will get eaten by niggers. Sailboat chads like me will hide in caves inside empty islands.
>>519697961No money no honey
>>519704433Based Beck enjoyer.
>>519697961>the sole factor that determines this drop in birthrates is the increase in average age of becoming a parent.Nope. It's feminism. That is the root of the problem. The increase in average age of parenthood is merely another symptom of feminism. Others include women prioritizing careers over motherhood, women competing with men financially and thus raising the bar on who they would accept as a husband/father, and of course the easy availability of the birth control pill (and the hormonal changes wrecking a woman mentally).
>>519697961The carry capacity of the earth is about 3 billion. We are in massive overshoot. There is ample evidence that shows immigrant can't even slightly help the age demographic problem, so that can be thrown out the window. But the age demographic problem isn't as bad as the catastrophes that will occur if the earth continues to be crammed with more and more humans. The key will be to have fewer kids and move away from an infinite growth economic model, but guess who won't be happy about that?
>>519697961> ignore / pretend it isn't happening> attack those raising the issue as extremists> acknowledge issue, but pretend it's a mystery> begrudgingly offer theories that protect the privileged (in this case, feminism)YOU ARE HERE> admit the truth (it's feminism)
Look at the data on when women have kids. You'll notice that below 18 was a big cohort until we managed to basically eradicate it. The difference in bodies is largely accounted for by this demograpic's collapse in children. You could probably argue that it's good teenagers are getting educated and waiting to have kids but the result is a declining population.
>>519704501The Ted Danson sitcom?
>>519697978>working a job is more freedom than having a family.It is.
>>519704526Economic models don’t work without growth. A massive die off event could give humanity room to grow again.
>>519704768basedAlthough I'm unconvinced that normies will ever admit the truth about feminism.
>>519697961Oh no! The Jews are running out of goy cattle to farm! Bad!Niggers.
>>519705228> unconvinced that normies will ever admit the truth about feminism.They will probably suppress speech like what is on 4chan, wokeism will probably come back with a vengeance.
