What happened to DOGE?https://www.usdebtclock.org/
>>519775126>they added the "DOGE CLOCK" that greatly overestimates the budget cuts, in a period where Trump was actually increasing spending>they changed the interest in debt to be net interest so the number is lower than 1 trillion
>>519775126>What happened to DOGE?Elon tried to cut but the bureaucrat faction ousted him from the house.
>>519775526I always figured they were fiddling with the numbers behind the scenes.
They already killed foodstamp/snap. There is nothing left the billionaires can rob from the poor.So you will have to keep making debts so billionaires can get richer.
The just created $16 trillion out of nothing during 2008-09 mortgage meltdown, and tens of trillions more during COVID ... we can do it anytime we want ... and debt doesn't matter when you're the biggest beast - who gonna make you pay?
>>519775126Sorry, politicians accidentally all your money for israel, ukraine, argentina, and the mic
>>519775126so what do you zesty anons think Elon was really doing with all that data?
It's not the same when a DUMB-O-CRAP does it. It's DIFFERENT when a Republican does it.
>>519775126It’s just a means to build a Orwellian kike controlled government to stop normies from unfucking society when they learn of the kike and because the boomer is dying the kike is frantically trying to force revisions to the constitution. To stop the west from completely abandoning Israel. You’ll notice that freemason theatre requires you to believe that the two party system is actually two parties. But you’ll notice that both sides justify each others authoritative actions that are never rescinded and constantly affirm one another’s eventual goals. The cult uses traumatic events to synthesize what they want out of the reaction by inducing artificial events or heavily engineering ones into reality. I E, invading the Middle East so many times that the thought of Arabs flying planes into the towers is somehow expected and excuses all the coincidences immediately present with the narrative as the government immediately uses it in uniform to justify sweeping resolutions that infringe on your rights under the guise of national security. You will see this pattern repeated throughout history. These people use the culture wars as a means of steering society back into their dialectic by having people fight over pointless bullshit that can be reverted in the stroke of a pen, and the social shaming of it. Welcome to satanic subtlety. You absolutely love the fake and gay this will eventually end up producing.
>>519775126DOGE was a false flag to dump government databases to private interests. Musk was the fall guy, Pal. profited.
>>519775126>What happened to DOGE?((()))
>>519775126DOGE dividends are in the mail patriots! Just two more weeks till delivery!
>>519776081v-vagina?
>>519775126>What happened to DOGE?They spent a couple months giddily firing people, closing entire departments, and gutting American research. DOGE’s most optimistic estimates are that they “saved” a hundred billion dollars, but this completely ignores the damage these actions caused and is basically irrelevant compared to the ~$3 trillion that the BBB will add to the debt.
>>519775126Fuck me, last time I looked at that website you lot were in the red for $75,000 per citizen.
>>519775126Just tell the Federal Reserve its not getting its money back. Problem solved, whats Timmy going to do about it?
>>519775564More like: Elon went in thinking there'd be a ton of fat to trim, and it turned out a lot of the stuff he cut was actually doing something useful and he had to put it back. Which obviously made DOGE look like a bunch of fucking idiots (which they were).It's ironic that conservatives' go-to justification for their beliefs is Chesterton's fence (don't remove a fence unless you know why it was put there), yet when given any amount of power they'd run roughshod over every established convention of governance without a second thought.Really it comes down to the fact that the people who got into power with Trump are the kind of morons who actually believe conservative propaganda. Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, they knew they were full of shit and their 'ideology' of small government was just an excuse to let their rich buddies dodge taxes and practise vulture capitalism. But the people who are in power now are the idiots that that kind of old Republican aimed their propaganda at. So yeah, they waltz into the government thinking that all America's problems are because the Democrats are throwing hundreds of billions at supporting feminist theatre and funding Shaniqua's seventeen welfare babies and running studies on Bolivian tree frogs, and they could just cut all that useless woke crap and the government would be solvent again. Except it turns out - oops - that none of that is true and they don't even understand what each department does, much less how to make them more efficient at doing it. The two biggest areas of US government spending are and always have been the military and Social Security. You know what the Republicans are ideologically incapable of cutting? The military. You know what the Republicans' geriatric voters rely on? Social Security.So yeah. No cuts, or no meaningful ones at least. But of course, that's not going to stop them from giving even more tax breaks to the rich, so... well, that's how you end up with $38 trillion in debt.
>>519776675If America stops paying its debts, even to itself, then the value of the dollar will collapse even further. And the only thing keeping America's economic head above water is the fact that the dollar is the global reserve currency. Once that ends, America's economy is Zimbabwe-level fucked.
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>>519776951Good postIn B4 fags try to cope
>>519775906Amazing how in just a short year, democrats suddenly REALLY care about things like the national debt, the Epstein case, and the jewish question. Oh, and government overreach.
>>519776047>>519776476>>519776951>Source: my ass
>>519776951Everyone in government has been ducking the question of how badly this is going to fuck over American research in the long term. You’ve got entire labs and agencies that have had to fire most of their staff or cancel projects or shut down operations because DOGE came in and kicked ass without understanding anything about what they were doing or what would happen if they were fired/cancelled/etc. And while DOGE has backpedaled on a lot of that, the reality is that none of these programs/agencies/school collaborations/etc. can just be spun back up in an instant. Cuts to research grants that support graduate students will affect the next two or three cycles of graduate admissions even if the grants are restored tomorrow, shutdowns of long-term research projects will delay results by years even if funding is restored immediately, people who were fired may take years to replace. You can’t derail a train and then expect it to get instantly back up to speed just because you put it back on the tracks.
>>519777902>America's economy is Zimbabwe-level fucked.You have no comprehension of anything. You sound like a hysterical child. Really, America is going to be the next Zimbabwe? You understand how foolish and simple you sound with that kind of statement, right? Considering your country is starting to have the same racial makeup as Zimbabwe and you're an island only as big as two US states, I'd start worrying about your own country becoming Africa-tier soon.
>>519776951This is a lot of words without actually pointing to anything they cut that was needed
>>519775126RapejeetPoopjeetDalitjeepBrahminjeetTrainjeetToiletjeetSarjeetPakijeetHindujeetCEOjeetAryanjeet
>>519779013>>519776951>Said by people who have never worked with government employees a day in their fucking lifeYeah the government hires contractors because the gov employees are just so good at their jobs and way too valuable to waste their time doing real work when they could be watching loud porn in their office while being unfireable (actually happened to a guy I know in AFRL) YOURE ABSOLUTELY RETARDED IF YOU THINK GOV EMPLOYEES ARE EFFECIENT.Every office Ive been at gov employees have been incompetent saboteurs at worst and harmless wheelspinners at best.>Instead of picking all the ticks off our cow let's go shoot our golden goose. This will solve all our problems!Retards who dont understand the realities of working for or with the government.
>>519776951great plebbit blog, faggot
>>519779013Exactly. It's a conservative conceit that Big Government doesn't actually do anything, but actually a huge amount of scientific research is funded by the Feds. Part of the reason America's tech sector is so successful is because they have access to stuff that started out in DARPA labs; the government works out the theory then the private sector commercialises it. And, as you say, government funding is hugely important for supporting the educational side of it; cut funding to university labs and you don't get that next generation of scientists and engineers to go into the private sector.DOGE has done the classic 'take out a keystone species and now the whole food chain is fucked'. >>519779068I didn't mean Americans would actually be eating grass, dipshit, I just meant that if the US stopped paying its debts it would experience extreme hyperinflation. But I don't think the US would stop paying its debts, for that very reason. I was just explaining to >>519776675 why not paying back the Federal Reserve isn't an option. >>519778809Funny. I was just about to say it's amazing how the debt suddenly doesn't matter to Republicans anymore now that it's not a Democrat in the White House.
>>519777902the FRN was always going to die you colossal faggot moronTrump is not saving the FRNreminder that Epstein will hasten the FRN's endanyone paying attention knows this
>>519779248>fires the teams at USDA in charge of managing US efforts to contain bird flu outbreaks turn has to scramble to rehire everyone because there are dozens of outbreaks at any given time to stay on top of>fires DoE staff in charge of managing nuclear stockpiles and power facilities without realizing they can’t just be rehired or replaced because of all the security clearance requirements for their positions It’s been an absolute clusterfuck. DOGE takes a sledgehammer to grants, agencies, programs, etc. without fully understanding what they do and then panics to click Ctrl+Z afterwards, not realizing that you can’t just demolish real world institutions or fire real people and then just say whoops, didn’t mean to do that, and set things immediately back to how they were.
>>519780214That’s not how federal staffing even works. You can’t just “fire the team” at a department like USDA or DOE with the snap of a finger, they’re mostly protected civil-service positions. If that kind of mass purge and re-hire actually happened, there’d be months of public records, congressional hearings, and operational outages we could point to, and there aren’t.It’s a nice story because it fits the “idiots in charge” meme, but the reality is way slower and way messier. Agencies don’t vanish overnight, and there’s zero evidence of a wholesale fire-and-panic-rehire cycle.
>>519775126money = debtThere's no ''paying back'' in a debt based fiat system
>>519779884I completely acknowledge that there’s a LOT of problems with government grant systems and contracting; there’s a lot of grants that go to things they shouldn’t, a lot of contractors who overcharge or under deliver, etc. and I actually fully support auditing most of our agencies and programs and identifying waste.The problem is that’s not what DOGE did.What should have been careful and methodical audit became a juvenile smash and grab for the sake of reposts on social media. Instead of combing through the grants to carefully identify which ones were wasteful and which weren’t or which programs were returning on their investment and which weren’t, they just ran around doing searches for any grant with the word “diversity” showing up anywhere in a 40 page application and cancelled them, or looking for any employee with the word “climate” or “vaccines” in their CV and firing them.
>>519779884>Every office Ive been at gov employees have been incompetent saboteurs at worst and harmless wheelspinners at best.You could say the same about a lot of big corporations. In any large bureaucracy you get workers who are absolute dead weight. I never said all government employees are efficient, I just said that that didn't mean the government wasn't doing anything important.DOGE didn't go around firing all the inefficient workers. They cut entire departments. You're the retard if you take the fact that one worker just sat in his office all day watching porn means that no one in his entire building was doing any useful work.
>>519780169Dude, you use a lot of words without saying anything. Also, you're a foreigner flapping their gums about a country and government you have no clue about. Lol America is the biggest economy in the world and we live on a continent fich in resources thousands of miles away from Eurasia. We'll be totally fine. If our economy hiccups, I guarantee you Europe. Is far more fucked than the US, and we don't live densely like you dorks do among literal savage third worlders. You should look at your own extremely fucked up country before criticizing and doomposting about a country you clearly don't understand.
>>519780589>there’s zero evidence of a wholesale fire-and-panic-rehire cycle.There's plenty of evidence if you get your news anywhere other than /pol/.https://apnews.com/article/doge-musk-trump-gsa-fired-employees-ce18553b281fbf5816ec2fd491d79b78
>>519780767>DOGE didn't go around firing all the inefficient workers. They cut entire departments.Citation needed
>>519780214So you're just making shit up now? Yeah, imagining things that don't happen can be fun...
>>519775126DOGE was like pulling an emergency brake on your half-ton towing over capacity after you lost trailer’s brakes going down a mountain. Not enough and too little too late under the circumstances
>>519780936Read it. That story’s about GSA over-cutting, not “USDA and DOE firing entire teams.” It mentions a few hundred reinstatements out of a 12,000-person agency after voluntary buyouts and early retirements went too far. That’s a course-correction, not a collapse.The article never says whole departments were eliminated or that the government “panicked to rehire everyone.” It describes limited rehiring to fill specific gaps and a GAO review still in progress. If that’s your proof of “fire the experts then rehire them all,” you’re leaning way too hard on one partial example.
>>519780884>no uYou seem to be approaching this as an argument over national pride. I have insulted your national pride by implying America is not untouchable, so you double down on saying America is too great to ever be troubled by anything so trifling as mere economics, and try to divert attention by bringing up Europe's migrant problem.Don't pay debts = hyperinflation. That is not an attack on America, I'm not trying to score points in the game of 'whose got the best country in the world' you seem to think you're in, that is just a fact. I am fully aware that if America's economy crashes Europe is fucked, that's why I'm warning you.
DOGE completed its task. Which was to gut all the government agencies that had cases pending against Musk and his companies.
>>519781479I think you have a complete misunderstanding of America and its role as the dominent economic superpower of the world. And you seem to greatly have no understanding of the nature of the country in general. We have vast untouched resources and are a major exporter of food to the world. At the very least, if the global economy crashes, we still have this country and its food and resources. Frankly we should just go isolationist to hedge against bets but we're still not done pumping the world of its money or resources yet. You have naive assumptions about what America is and how it functions. We aren't Europe who are super-dependent on resources from other countries. We aren't Asia with their paper dragon and 3rd world conditions masked by pockets of sophistication. Frankly the rest of the world seems terrified that we're pulling away. And they should be. America does not need the rest of the world. In fact, if it wasn't for the dust bowl (killed our crops due to greedy farmers who didn't properly rotate their crops) in the 1930s America would have fared better during the Depression than we did. The difference between erica and literally every other Western country is so vast you're comparing apples to uranium. This is why your argument rings so hollow. Your country is totally fucked if the wind blows the wrong direction. We have all of the directions to adjust to all the winds of change.
>>519780767And all those workers were contractorsYoure a retarded brit who hasnt been inside the belly of the beast. Stop spewing bullshit mr armchair expert, you have a license for that?
Turns out American government has no fat and it works fine and no corruption, until DOGE tried to destroy the foundation of the country and steal a bunch of American data and money and left.
>>519778809Funny how after trump becomes president again, Republicucks suddenly stop caring about the national debt, epstein files, and the jq.
>>519781251>just a minor overcorrectionThey even cut the scientists responsible for keeping nukes safe and had to backtrackhttps://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federal-916e6819104f04f44c345b7dde4904d5
>vote me goy and I'll shrink the government! I'll cut expenses! I promise to you!also said by thatcher and reaganand instead, the cut social benefits, sure, but they also put double of the money they saved into enforcning the police stateand you FELL FOR IT AGAIN HAHAenjoy mutts
>>519779013Everything worth finding and studying is done with the free private market you disingenuous kike
>>519782595ronnie talked a good game but as soon as he mentioned going after the federal reserve the bushes called their family friend to put a bullet in him
the government will never open again. ever. only a different government will open.
>>519775989This is correct
>>519776951And you didn't even address:>debt to whomst'veNot only is issuing bonds for deficit spending completely unnecessary, it's actually worse for inflation than straight up money printing because it's basically voluntary taxes except the bond holder gets it all back with interest. We will continue down this retarded path forever until retard budget hawks are ignored and we realize money is fake and gay and taxation is just a deflationary lever to take money out of the economy and not actually generating revenue.
>>519782259>we have natural resources so we don't need to worry about economics.If natural resources made a country successful then the Congo would be a world power. Honestly, all the other people in this thread disagreeing with me feel like Trump partisans who'd defend him no matter what; they're not necessarily stupid, they just picked their position well before starting the debate. But you write like you have an IQ of 80.>>519782298I seriously doubt you have ever been allowed inside anywhere important in the federal government. What are you, some IT contractor who upgraded the systems in the IRS's Albuquerque office once, and now you act like you got to see inside the inner workings of the Pentagon?
>>519776951Bolivian tree frogs are pretty cool and will be one of america's contributions to humanity, whatever form it takes. That being said i get paid for only half the work I do and when the government spends 5 million on Bolivian tree frog research 2.5 million goes to israel, 1 million goes to a politician, 1 million disappears forever and i'm left with 500,000 (minus taxes) to pay myself, the 2 biologists, the 3 interns, legally mandated insurance tax and HR services, and the frog jew And we... well we only work 2 hours a day and the government only pays for 1. We get most of our money from private Bolivian frog enjoyers. Basically what I'm trying to say is that the government ain't shit. And they are ROYALLY FUCKING, the Bolivian frog researcher.>t. Bolivian frog enjoyer.
>>519783175>Trump partisanslook my dear bongwe knew trump was legit when globohomo freaked tf out about him and the system shot itself in both feet and another in the thigh trying to go after him with nothing substantial to go by and invented bullshit to try and imprison him withww3 began the moment Dominion failed to steal the 2016 election and seat the cia cankles bitch
still waiting for my doge and tariff stimmies, donnie
>>519783175>If natural resources made a country successful then the Congo would be a world power. Lol it sure did make some people rich eventually, people with tools and brains. Almost as if the problem wasn't the congo but the people occupying it... Anyway, you have no actual argument against the reality I outlined. We were saving our resources and taking the worlds' first. Pretty clever.
USA is powerful enough to just wipe the debt in a jubilee and dare the rest of the world to switch to the Yuan under threat of MOABs being dropped on their kindergartens, this shit is meaningless
38 trillion moved from white pockets to jewish pockets
>>519783898>this shit is meaninglessuntil the next big election, anyways!
>>519776951AI generated post.
>>519775126>we
>>519783898most of the debt is owed domestically so 'wiping' it would blow up most pensions and savings related financial institutionsthe impact on the rest of the world would be bad, but it would unironically usher the chinese century because the us would be broke for decades
>>519776951The idiocy is a bunch of social security and Medicare recipients voted in a party of small government. The biggest expense in government are social security and Medicare. But they can't touch those because that's their voting base.
>>519784330The United States currency isn't tied to anything but military power, people's savings will be fine simply because the USA will say they're fine and worth whatever the USA says it's worth. People are delusional about the USA, it isn't run by the government, it's run by a fucking bank and the bank will just kill you.
>>519784612no. you would need to replace existing bonds with something else or all the institutions holding bonds implode.this idea has been floated by bessent and mirran who think they can unilaterally turn all existing bonds from 10y or 30y into 100y bonds. this is the closest thing you can do to 'wiping' the debt.you can't just say it doesn't exist anymore because people's savings are used to buy the bonds - wiping it means you say their savings no longer exist
>>519775126>default on debt>kick every single kike outEz pz
>>519775126it doesn't matter because it's all imaginary. Countries and corporations pushing for unlimited growth will eventually cause economies to crash
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>>519779884>Every office Ive been at gov employees have been incompetent saboteurs at worst and harmless wheelspinners at best.God damn it that reminds me of a government employee I used to work with who didn't do his job but tried to demand that I let him do mineAfter one particular fuckup where he tried to blame one of my coworkers, he got an absolutely brutal dressing down in private by my superior, God I wish I had been there to see it happenHe wasn't even malicious, he was just trying to do a different job than the one he was assigned to do by the government
>>519784037lol. I promise you >>519776951 was generated 100% by my autism.There aren't even any AI tell-tales in there, you just looked at a post that was more than two paragraphs long and your brainrotted mind assumed it had to be AI.
>>519783832Resource mining ain't like a match of Age Of Empire, plus Americans became super retarded after a century of surplus, doubt you can harness your natural resources now than the average zoomer mutt doesn't even know how to handle a power tool
>>519784384Honestly, the best part of the Trump administration is that there are so many ideological zealots in there now that they might actually be able to push through some cuts to those programs. Mike Johnson has certainly talked about it. On the one hand, I would never wish for that; there are a lot of old people who didn't vote for Trump for whom those kind of cuts would literally be fatal. On the other hand, it'd be fucking hilarious watching the Boomers who did vote for Trump actually being the ones to suffer the consequences of their poor choices for once. And it would cut the deficit, which no matter how it happens is no bad thing. And, best of all, once those selfish Boomer fucks get their cheque and see how much smaller it is... well, the Republican party would be digging its own grave as well as theirs.
>>519782447This AP report does show terminations at NNSA and a quick rollback, which is serious. But it doesn’t support the broader statement that USDA fire-teams were eliminated and everyone was rehired, or that entire departments across USDA + DOE were gutted and then rebuilt.So yes there were misfires, but the fan-fare version of the story is exaggerated.
>>519775126You're not going to Government Efficiency your way out of a century of fiscal malfeasance. Especially in a 'republic' that 50% or more of the population is on the government dole. The experiment was over as soon as the politicians realized they could stay in power by promising voters a share of the national treasury.The only amazing part of the entire scenario is just how long it has taken to collapse under its own weight.
>>519782663If you knew literally anything about America's tech industry you would know that most of the innovations companies like Apple built their monopolies on started at DARPA.>>519776951I probably should have pointed out the basic absurdity of appointing a tech CEO with zero experience in government to oversee finely tuning government departments with tens of thousands of employees. But then again if you're okay with the basic absurdity of putting a real estate developer with zero experience in government in the White House then I suppose that wouldn't seem so odd to you.
>>519775126jews
>>519787123Once again, /pol/ distils a complex question down to 'Jews'.
>>519787123>>519788606Aren't there more Jewish Americans in the IDF than the US military too?
