The "saving face" scenario lmao.
>>519808879Fuck you and your tiny picture you dumb nigger
>>519808992seethe phonefag
>>519808879>The "saving face" scenario lmao.Scenario D all the way.But it has Both Luhansk and Donetsk coloured red.Currently Russias't not quite there. So Putin can't really stop, because otherwise it'll be a defeat.So, the war must go on!
>>519808879I think since Putin won’t agree to talk peace deals, scenario E is increasingly more likely as time goes on. I won’t pretend that Ukraine won’t suffer dearly for it.
>>519808992Zoom in, nigger.
>>519809094gotta make the "victory" fully Pyrrhic>>519809183I don't think scenario E is likely because Putin can always beg for a ceasefire once he feels like his life is in danger enough.
>>519809265But his life isn’t in danger, and he can’t call a ceasefire anymore since it’s just an excuse to rearm. If he gets to scenario E he can go on a propaganda tour about how “we showed them who’s bombing Donbas children” or whatever, and just hide his defeat from his people.
>>519808879It will be F. Screencap this, you'll see. Putin will probably lose his life in Mussolini style, but its not yet confirmed.
>>519809463>But his life isn’t in dangerIt definitely is.>he can’t call a ceasefire anymore since it’s just an excuse to rearmNo, Trump has offered him that several times. This is why he feels in no rush to end the war. He knows he can always get a ceasefire whenever he wants and keep whatever he has...so why not meatgrind for longer and get moar? No one gives a shit about dead Russians, especially other Russians.
>>519809594The war is really starting to strain the russian economy. At some point it will come to the point where the whole thing collapses. The current status is not sustainable.
>>519809729Yes, but that means that Putin's life is in danger from Russian oligarchs who are losing everything. They're receiving the window cure while a new group of loyalist oligarchs are created and given all the seized property.
>>519809463They are preparing for scenario E or worse currently.Take a look at the new laws they're passing. It's to turn everyone into a snitch in a zero trust society, like they did to Romania during communism. So that nobody questions that victory was maybe Total Russian Death.
>>519808879It's gonna be F. Putin is living on borrowed time. Whoever replaces him will not be strong enough to bring russia out of the chaos it finds itself in
>>519808879No one ever mentions that the limiting factor on the war are threats of escalation and brinksmanship with NATO.Slowly slowly moving NATO's goalposts is also part of the strategy.Plus, politics with India haven't finalized.
>>519808879It's a weird scenario because the people of Russian wanted to outright crush Ukraine and get it over with but Putin is way more moderate and wanted to minimize casualties, which was a possible scenario until suicide drones were deployed en mass. He should just take Trump's deal and spin it as a win for Russia to the citizens.
>>519808879What blew up in Ukraine today?
>>519809496>Mussolini styleItalians are soulful people who believe in justice.Russians believe in the "relative truth" and similar cynical moronities.
>>519808879This is the Putin dies in March by unnatural causes and Ukrainians rush in scenario in Q2/2026.
>>519809594I think if Putin comes begging for a ceasefire Trump will try to get more out of him.>>519809729We all know the CSGO crash hit them really hard.>>519809908Something something>NATO is trying their best to shame the SMO and we must dispose of enemies from withinThe Russians think they’re out there defending Russian land from NATO attacks, and praying like they’re about to go to holy war.
nafo trannies are dreaming again lmao
>>519810310>I think if Putin comes begging for a ceasefire Trump will try to get more out of him.I disagree. Trump is a boomer narcissist who is obsessed with chasing baubles. All he cares about it winning a Nobel peace prize.
>>519808879These maps are retarded.
>>519808879>The "saving face" scenario lmaLibertarian Scenario G is Russia drained militarily and US economic playground, Libertarian Scenario F is Ukraine takes Moscow, Russia is partitioned as happened to Germany post-WWII, US gets Siberia plus 16MM citizens, basically doubling size. Revolution in China.I too laughed when I read it just before invasion and laughed harder at how they were advising Ukraine while Putin was at the gates of Kiev. Now, not so sure. In so many things it seems its the Libertarians all along.
>>519810131>Russians believe in the "relative truth" and similar cynical moronities.qrd?
>>519810012Why would Putin accept any deal when victory is inevitable?>>519810586>Libertarian Scenario F is Ukraine takes MoscowHow the fuck is this libertarian? The (((Ukrainian government))) is literally worse than North Korea.
>>519808879>The "saving face" scenario lmao.Yeah, they conquered the oil fields they wanted; but we totally kicked their asses.This is next level cope.
>>519808879>have settlednah, monke is only starting to kill russians. I think those retards will be dying at least until 2027
>>519810801great, now they can sell all this oil to china lol
>>519810747>victory is inevitableNot anymore since there will be infinite suicide drone deployment. Their production isn't slowing down, it's ramping up significantly the longer the war drags on due to basic supply and demand.
>>5198106481) He's just making shit up.2) Cynicism is the only proper way to think of the world. And it has nothing to do with being Russian. Every great leader and every businessman is a cynic. Idealists are useful-idiots at best.
>scenarios A through C at no point stated as war aims>stated war aims not a listed scenario>closest scenario to stated war aims labeled "saving face"
>>519810959If that quote is true, it explains why Russians suffer what they must.
>>519808879Of course it's your Scenario D, short of something totally unexpected happening. It was always going to be Scenario D.I'm confident Scenario D was what Russia wanted in the first place anyway, other than also toppling the Ukrainian government and ensuring a pro-Russian replacement and attempting to ensure a pro-Russian future.
>>519811115>I'm confident Scenario D was what Russia wanted in the first place anywaylmao! There's the "face saving" that is mentioned in the Scenario D description.
>>519808879>Total russian defeat>takes land from the ukraine ???
>>519810951WTF crack are you smoking? Ukraine doesn't even make drones, retard. They just assemble them from foreign parts bought with US taxpayer dollars. Whether they are assembled in Ukraine or in fucking Tulsa makes no fucking difference(other than lower labor costs). Ukraine would collapse in five seconds without foreign support.The fundamental problem is that Ukraine has already received aid equal to twice its yearly GDP.To put it simply, Ukraine is bankrupting the West, and it will still lose. It's inevitable.
>>519811300>Ukraine doesn't even make drones, retard. They just assemble them from foreign partsIf this is true, then China doesn't make anything either.
>>519811040>If that quote is true, it explains why Russians suffer what they must.It's been true since the beginning of time. And yes, Russia is not as powerful as America.>>519811343>If this is true, then China doesn't make anything either.Holy fuck you're fucking stupid.
>>519811300I actually want Russia to win because I think Ukraine was a hub for globalists to get away with a lot of corrupt shit, but I'm also a realist and in the current situation Russia might not outright lose the war but they will definitely not win. Situation might change if China jumps in or refuses to make the drones anymore but I don't see that happening.
>>519811211It meant all that land was already taken before the invasion in 2022.
>>519811469>I'm also a realist and in the current situation Russia might not outright lose the war but they will definitely not win. Situation might change if China jumps in or refuses to make the drones anymore but I don't see that happening.Holy fuck you're retarded. Do you even know what is going on?
>>519811462No, China just "assembles" stuff from imported components :)
>>519811535>China wants to prolong the warYes, obviously. That's why they won't stop supplying the drones. How do you not understand what's going on?
>>519811546>China just "assembles" stuff from imported components :)No they do not, retard. Maybe some TSMC chips from the other chinks in Taiwan, but pretty much everything else is made in China. In fact, China is technologically more advanced in almost everything.
>>519811653Holy fuck you're fucking stupid.
>>519811616READ THE PIC YOU STUPID NIGGER. CHINA HAS DECLARED OUTRIGHT IT WILL NEVER LET RUSSIA LOSE.
>>519811693kys nigger.
>>519811776Holy fuck you're retarded. Do you even know what is going on?
>>519809729Canada is in a worse state, and it still keeps on chugging along somehow.
>>519810959You must be over 18 to post here
>>519811715Anon, that's not China's decision to make. If Putin suddenly decides the war is over then the war is over. They might even send missiles or whatever tech is needed to continue the war but there is no scenario in which they send Chinese deploys troops to fight Ukraine. Same thing goes for the US.
>>519811952Actually there is a scenario, and that's if Xi Jinping or Trump is assassinated. But outside of that it's all just a stalemate to bleed other dry.
>Russia gets made fun of>China simping startsEverytime
>>519811842I asked a real question because you claimed something that has already been disproven. You're just being an obnoxious cunt.Regardless, it's literally impossible for Russia to lose this war short of direct intervention by NATO and World War III. Anyone who claims otherwise is a fucking moron.>>519811952>Anon, that's not China's decision to make. If Putin suddenly decides the war is over then the war is over.And if you're aunt had a penis she'd be your uncle. Why are you talking about hypotheticals that will never happen.
>>519812150>Why are you talking about hypotheticals that will never happenThere is no win scenario for Russia.
>>519812150kys nigger
>>519812101I just assume it's some slide poster but I'm bored so willing to engage.
>>519808879I wonder if in the future a "Pyrrhic victory" will be known as a Putinisk or Russian victory KEK
>>519812319Will it replace the "Decisive Tang strategic victory" meme?
>>519812206>There is no win scenario for Russia.Russia is literally going to accomplish all of its geopolitical goals.It will annex 40% of Ukraine. It will block NATO from Ukraine. It will turn what remains of Ukraine into a political and economic basketcase. Europe is deindustrializing and going bankrupt. The US is going bankrupt. America's empire is collapsing on all fronts.The only thing that can save America at this point is more war.
>>519812230you sound mad
>>519812493Do you really think 'murica became twice as productive as Europe since 2008?Those are just judaised numbers in 'murica, anon. Open your eyes.The top 20% here earn 2.300€ a month and all of them live better than 95% of Amerimutts.If you earn above 700€ a month here you probably live better than 50% of amerimutts.
>>519812319Oh in Russia this will be spun as a great victory for Putin. They are used to millions of casualties in a war. Only getting a couple million won't phase them
>>5198127292008 was when the EU expanded to include Eastern and balkan shitholes. But you're very very poor compared to the USA for sure.
>>519812802>They are used to millions of casualties in a war. Only getting a couple million won't phase themthe problem is that their women no longer have children
>>519812493>It will annex 40% of UkraineGood luck with that with constant suicide drones>It will block NATO from UkraineSo status quo, that's not a win>It will turn what remains of Ukraine into a political and economic basketcaseEveryone knows it was a corrupt shithole already, no one cares>Europe is deindustrializing and going bankruptYes, Russia is about to face a Muslim Caliphate >The US is going bankruptWe've been bankrupt since 1871, still here 2025>The only thing that can save America at this point is more war.No, that is done with since petrodollar contract expired.
>>519812729>Do you really think 'murica became twice as productive as Europe since 2008?No. And I understand that America's wealth is highly dependent on finance, but so are all (((Western))) economies. The problem with Europe is that it has no resources, it is completely dependent on exporting luxury goods, but it is getting outcompeted by China on all fronts. Especially since energy costs have tripled, and America can no longer afford its empire.Europe has no future.
>>519813024Well I've got some shopping to do. Good luck with the bumps.
>>519812962>Good luck with that with constant suicide dronesSuicide drones can't hold territory, retard. Which Russia takes more and more of every single day.>So status quo, that's not a winThe Status Quo was a win for Russia, retard. Why do you think we pushed this war so hard?>Russia is about to face a Muslim CaliphateAs compared to who? Britain? France? Germany? Sweden? WTF are you talking about?>We've been bankrupt since 1871, still here 2025We weren't $38 trillion in debt then, and we didn't have a globestradding financial empire built completely off the dollar being the world's reserve currency. If we lose the dollar, America will cease to exist.
>>519808879I don't think you can call Scenario A the "Initial Putin Objective". This is made-up nonsense that emerged from Western media and political/military 'think tanks'. As for, where are we headed realistically at this point? Probably somewhere between D and C. But it depends on if the war drags on and no negotiations occur because the Russians can bleed the Ukrainians until the entire Ukrainian frontline collapses in the next couple of years or so. Think 1918 Germany scenario for Ukraine. Then the Russians can seize quite a bit of territory in the aftermath. If the concern is, what can we do to help Ukraine maximally? I don't think the answer is, prolong an attritional war. Prolonging the war will cost more Russian lives sure, but Ukraine's losses, including the territorial ones, will only be more devastating in the end. I think a lot of people in the West, especially politicians, are using Ukraine as both a sacrificial lamb and a meat shield to score what they think will be some grand geopolitical victory over Russia. This is a deeply misguided assumption.
>>519812962>>It will block NATO from Ukraine>So status quo, that's not a winThat is a win, Ukraine joining NATO is an existential disaster for Russia, a war was justified to prevent that for Moscow.
>>519813676>I don't think you can call Scenario A the "Initial Putin Objective". This is made-up nonsense that emerged from Western media and political/military 'think tanks'.Paradoxically, Putin's initial objective was scenario F. Has been since 2014.
>>519810994If NAFO niggers didn't lie, they wouldn't speak at all. You have to remember that anyone supporting Ukraine is either jewish or a retard.
>>519808879Here's the real issue for the Russians. They can barely contest Ukraine in the field and there is no way in fucking hell they can win at asymmetric warfare if Ukraine is pushed into that corner. Any peace for territory plan requires Ukraine's buy-in because they can keep bombing the occupied regions indefinitely until the end of time. So the only "just" conclusion that both sides can be happy with is Russia gets to keep some land and the rest of Ukraine gets NATO membership. Nothing short of that would entice Ukraine's leadership to end the war. Without Ukraine joining NATO the most they can hope for is a DMZ.
>>519813676>I think a lot of people in the West, especially politicians, are using Ukraine as both a sacrificial lamb and a meat shield to score what they think will be some grand geopolitical victory over Russia.Why would we give Ukraine to Russia in one piece?No one in "The West" gives a flying fuck about the Ukrainian people. Especially not the Ukrainian government. We are only using Ukrainians to fight our enemy for us.And if Russia is going to take Ukraine anyway, we would rather it be completely destroyed. No one hates Ukrainians more than Westerners.What amazes me is that Ukrainians go along with it. How fucking stupid are they? I know kikelensky won't let them leave and kidnaps them off the streets and all, but it's been almost four years. I no longer feel sorry for you.
>>519812493>Europe is deindustrializing and going bankrupt. The US is going bankrupt.Nice retard headcannon you fucking retard. Meanwhile, Russia is actually going bankrupt
>>519814143>So the only "just" conclusion that both sides can be happy with is Russia gets to keep some land and the rest of Ukraine gets NATO membership.Rofl. Russia will NEVER allow Ukraine to join NATO. Period. That was literally the catalyst of the war. I wish you know-nothing retards would shut the fuck up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742k
>>519814309>Prices have fallen since their 2022 highs. But are still much higher than before the war. It's over for Russia.
>>519814319That wasn't the catalyst for the war. The catalyst for the war was Putin thinking he could take some land with no consequences. They literally give zero fucks about NATO. Did you know they've shared a border with NATO since 2004? And obviously the expansion of NATO as a result of the war was part of the calculus that they deemed an acceptable tradeoff.
>>519814143Ukraine is held up by the grace of the west. Once the west tires of this shit, Ukraine dies in a few weeks.In the mean time, the more things escalate the more the infrastructure of Ukraine will be degraded into the stone age. Russia simply has more that they can make themselves, Ukraine requires handouts to survive.
>>519814309>two more weeks
>>519808879I still have this one saved, from the first days of the war
>>519814527>That wasn't the catalyst for the war.I literally linked a fucking video where Stoltenberg, the leader of NATO at the time, said openly that Russia only invaded Ukraine to block NATO expansion. Why don't you go watch it and shut the fuck up you fucking moron.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5xEBwBhds
>>519814319>Russia will NEVER allow Ukraine to join NATO. Period.Sure, it would be embarrassing for them, but not as embarrassing as having their "conquests" droned daily for the next 100 years. Also, it's really not up to Russia in any way shape or form whether the remainder of Ukraine gets to join NATO or not. They literally have no fucking say in that.
>>519814309You fail to understand the pain that Russians are capable of dealing with compared to everyone else. It's their racial power lol
>>519814697id say long term if things continue to progress as they are, the dniper is eventually possible. land locking would be too much though - the water barriers from kherson to odesa are too much
>>519814787>Sure, it would be embarrassing for them, but not as embarrassing as having their "conquests" droned daily for the next 100 years.Rofl, you're retarded. Why do you keep mentioning drones as if the Ukrainian Army isn't being wiped out? If Kikelensky didn't imprison all the men in the country and kidnap them off the streets, there would be no one left to fight.
>>519814738>the leader of NATO at the time, said openly that Russia only invaded Ukraine to block NATO expansion.Are you a retard? I've already covered this:>>519814527>And obviously the expansion of NATO as a result of the war was part of the calculus that they deemed an acceptable tradeoff.I'll compromise with you though. Russia invading Ukraine was "about" NATO in that Ukraine wasn't in NATO, therefore an open an available target. Why would Russia care about a defensive alliance expanding unless the goal is to invade countries that might join that alliance? Don't be a moron and try to argue this logically, because you can't.
>>519814571>Ukraine is held up by the grace of the westNot at all. The West has barely contributed anything of worth. Some tiny and insignificant fraction of our combined military budgets in old ass equipment slated to get decommissioned. Ukraine can keep making cheap drones domestically forever.
>>519814933Obviously I am mentioning drones because they are a cheap and highly effective means of conducting warfare. Nothing to do with anyone being "wiped out." They still haven't lowered the conscription age below 25, have they you fucking imbecile?
>>519814787Kikeraine has drafted at least 1.5 million Ukrainians at this point. Who must fight until they die or lose their limbs. Which is on top of their initial Army, plus reserves, plus volunteers. Yet, Russia outmans and outguns them on all fronts. Even Britain admits Ukraine no longer has the manpower to win. They are being completely wiped out. The only thing that will be left after this war are cripples and babushkas.Who the fuck would want to be Ukrainian?
>>519808879The war is going to the last Ukrainian. And God willing, it stops there.
>>519810959>Every great leader and every businessman is a cynic.Not even close to being trueAlso by definition a true cynic is someone who actually is an idealist but is just disappointed that not everyone else is as idealistic as they are. It's not really the right word for what you're describing. Plutocrats are not really cynical, they're simply amoral and ruthless
>>519815012>Russia invading Ukraine was "about" NATO in that Ukraine wasn't in NATO, therefore an open an available target.Rofl, you're so goddamn stupid. If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine because they weren't in NATO, they would have done it in 2014, or earlier. The reason Russia invaded Ukraine when it did was because Ukraine was being armed to the fucking teeth. All of 2021 Ukraine began making provocative actions. Zelenskike literally threatened the Donbas with war and desolation. Zelensky went to the trenches wearing that retarded bulletproof vest that was in all the early war propaganda. He imprisoned his political rival, Medvedchuk, and banned all opposition media. He virtually banned the use of the Russian language. Then he held joint-NATO drills.Zelensky admits he knew Putin was going to invade in October 2021. This is because Putin began negotiations with NATO about Ukraine. NATO basically told Putin to suck a big bag of dicks. So Putin began moving troops to the border to show that he was serious in the hopes of getting an agreement from NATO/Ukraine. Again, they told Putin to suck a big bag of dicks. So Putin invaded with a relatively small army to pressure Zelensky into signing an agreement.Zelensky nearly agreed to Putin's terms at Istanbul in the early weeks of the war. Boris Johnson went to Zelensky and told him to keep fighting or the West would cut off all support to Ukraine because without NATO expansion, Ukraine would no longer be a strategic asset.That's what happened.
>>519814799Ukrainians are literally the same thing. In fact, Ukrainians = Russians is one of Pootler's propaganda lines.
>>519808879Russians are breaking through I seriously doubt anything less than scenario b at this point. The line will start moving quicker and quicker
>>519815214>Obviously I am mentioning drones because they are a cheap and highly effective means of conducting warfare.Drones aren't stopping the Russian Army, retard. And Russia has more of them than Ukraine. Moreover, China has already declared they'll never let Russia lose, and China can produce 100x more drones than Russia.You keep making a non-sequitur. Yes, Ukraine has drones, and drones are killing people, but drones will not stop Russia from winning. Non-sequitur means "Does not follow". Basically, you keep saying "If this then this", but "this" doesn't mean "that". You fail at logic 101.
>>519815663Cynical simply means you think everyone else is self-interested. You cannot be a businessman without being cynical. Stop redefining words you stupid niggers.
>>519816035My definition is probably a bit off, but what I said was still 100x less retarded than you claiming not a single great leader was an idealistAlso, >24 posts by this IDYou have a mental illness, little bro
>>519815946>Drones aren't stopping the Russian Army, retardThen what has been stopping them, retard? >You keep making a non-sequitur.No you're the one doing that, getting hung up on me bringing up the fact that Russia is getting embarrassed daily by an inferior enemy. Let's get back to reality for one second, Boris. If Russia wasn't pathetic they would have actually taken all of Ukraine by now. The fact that they haven't means they are literal faggots who can't beat a way weaker enemy. Me saying they are losing to "drones" which you have glommed onto hard as some kind of argument is to point out that Ukraine will never run out of resources to conduct warfare if it wants to, with no help from the west at all if need be. And the drones do help with that, fucking obviously. Being the number one reason it has been taking Russia nearly 1.5 years to take a single village. They literally can't close a single pocket against a determined Ukrainian resistance. On a war level, this is pretty much the most pathetic performance you could ever expect from what's supposedly a preeminent military power and the main successor state of the USSR.TL;DR: you lost faggot and Russia will be forced to take some embarrassing terms sooner or later. if they could win this war, they would have already. i can confidently say that you are a shill with zero interest in reality. if you're doing this for free as a useful idiot, that's extra shameful.
>>519816723All leaders are Machiavellians. It's a requirement of the job.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOXl0Ll_t9s
>>519816864>Then what has been stopping them, retard?Tell me nigger, how many Ukrainians have been drafted? How many have been recruited? How many are left?No one denies Russia has taken losses. But Ukraine is being wiped out.
>>519815946>You keep making a non-sequitur.btw, you just outed yourself as a faggy ESL on top of being an obvious shill. go back to English language class you fucking dork. it's called >USING a non-sequitur or more naturally >USING non-sequiturS (plural form)not >You keep making a non-sequitur.at least you didn't forget the article, good work there vlad
>>519812902At some point they are propably gonna force them to. Or at least pay them well to just birth children and then the state will raise it in some propaganda factory school.
>>519817106I've seen it both ways and no one cares.I could say "You keep making a personal attack on me". Or I could say, "You keep making personal attacks against me".At best you could argue that one is more proper than the other, but both are perfectly acceptable in the colloquial sense. So please, fuck off retard, and stop wasting my time.
>>519808879Putin gave an order to rush B.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I8N4Me5r1I
>>519817409one in left look just like putin.
>>519810959>ancient philosophy larperTeenager midwit.
>>519814787>Also, it's really not up to Russia in any way shape or form whether the remainder of Ukraine gets to join NATO or not. They literally have no fucking say in that.Are you kidding? You think Russia is going to allow Ukraine into NATO now? They will just keep the war going and grinding away. Any deal that Russia would agree to to stop the war most certainly includes no NATO expansion.
>>519817350>Or at least pay them welllmao. with what money?
>>519817564F to all the dead russniggers incoming.
Anyone who thinks the original Russian objective was to take all of Ukraine is immediately discarded.
>>519819231What was the original russian objective and how do you know?
>>519819469>What was the original russian objective and how do you know?How fucking stupid are you? How do you still not know after four fucking years?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.htmlPutin declared his objectives before he even invaded. And NATO General Stoltenberg confirmed them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6YeIM85SJg
>>519809183
>>519819663Ok, so what's the answer to my question? I didn't ask for a bunch of jewtube links. I asked:>What was the original russian objective and how do you know?And why are you posting rand.org papers lmao? WTF?
>>519819469It's not some great mystery. This is the article Putin wrote in July 2021. You should read it.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians
>>519819841You can't say what it was either and instead give some wiki link? LMFAO!
>>519819819I linked Stoltenberg so you could hear it come out of the horse's mouth. And I linked RAND papers so you could read US strategy. RAND is effectively the US government.>>519820005It's been explained in full a dozen times already in this thread. Read my other posts you lazy nigger.
I hate to say this, but everything looks like scenario A. Ukraine is running out of people and once frontline is broken shit can unfold real fast. Might take 10 years for Russians to grind through donbass and then 2 months getting to Kiev. And 10 years is nothing historically and no it’s not just Putins war.
>>519815084>Ukraine can keep making cheap drones domestically forever.Nah Ukraine IS kept up by western handouts. The country isn’t even energy self sufficient, let alone able to manufacture munitions and semiconductors. What’s worse is that any remnants of heavy industry are in the East VERY close to frontlines. USA ceases supporting Ukraine and it’s done in 6 months
>>519820103>I linked StoltenbergWhat does he have to do with it? NATO gets to decide what Russia's original war goals are? You can't even say what they are because you don't know yourself.
>>519820500LISTEN YOU DUMB NIGGER. STOLTENBERG LITERALLY SAID RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE TO STOP NATO EXPANSION INTO UKRAINE. IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW THAT AFTER FOUR FUCKING YEARS YOU'RE AN IGNORANT FUCK NOT WORTH TALKING TO. THE RAND CORPORATION STUDY LITERALLY EXPLAINS WHY NATO EXPANSION INTO UKRAINE CAN BE USED TO OVEREXTENT(BANKRUPT) RUSSIA WHICH THE US BELIEVES WOULD DESTABILIZE THE PUTIN GOVERNMENT IN THE HOPES OF OVERTHROWING IT AND INSTALLING A PUPPET LIKE WE DID IN UKRAINE. THEREBY SUBORDINATING RUSSIA AND ITS VAST RESOURCES, OR BALKANAZING IT/BREAKING IT UP/VASSALIZING IT.IF WE DO NOT SUBORDINATE RUSSIA, WE CANNOT STOP CHINA. IF WE CANNOT STOP CHINA, WE WILL LOSE THE DOLLAR. WHICH IS WHY THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL WAR FOR ALL PARTIES. AND IT IS ALSO WHY CHINA WILL NEVER LET RUSSIA LOSE.
>>519820957what does what stoltenberg have to do with russia's original war aims?
>>519822042>what does what stoltenberg have to do with russia's original war aims?He just confirmed what Putin already said, retard. You could read the pic-related in this post >>519810747That's from the article he wrote in July 2021. You could also listen to his Empire of Lies speech from February 24th 2022(the day of the invasion. You could also listen to Arestovych(Zelensky's advisor). He explained "the plan" in the video I linked here >>519819663Regardless, Putin's plan was to stop NATO expansion(neutrality), and to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, and to guarantee rights for Russians in Ukraine.You could read the 2022 Istanbul agreement if you want to read what Russia was asking for.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)Of course, you don't like to read so I don't know why I bother. Stay ignorant you stupid fuck.
>>519809463Ahhh, yes the clearest evidence that we are in WWIII.>NATO nukes Torpets>even Putin threatens a response>Russia immediately preps an ICBM for launch>NATO deorbits a starlink satellite unexpectedly>orbital decay puts its path DIRECTLY to the launch pad>ICBM goes boom on pad>carter left is MUCH wider and deeper than similar missile failures.>putin openly backs off his threats to respond against NATO.Since then we have had Russia strike the US company making explosive lens for usa nuclear weapons. And the USA responded by nuking the company that makes explosive lens for Russias tactical nukes. Lets see how much further this tit for tat goes!That said the end result will be scenario B. The jews will NoT let this end until ukraine is bled white so that Khazaria can be reborn.
>>519822381So what did Putin say? This is what I'm asking. What did Putin say were Russia's original war aims?
>>519822042>>519822381Let me add, the main agreement that Russia wanted vis-a-vis Ukraine was actually for Ukraine to implement the Minsk agreements that it had already signed. Zelensky basically told Putin to suck a big bag of dicks, and Angela Merkel admitted that they only agreed to Minsk in order to buy time to arm Ukraine.Here are a couple videos of Putin demanding Zelensky implement Minsk in the leadup to the war.https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1497373617977536520https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1794663100538364108
>>519822656Why do you nafo trannies always feign ignorance? Or are you that ignorant?>demilitarization>denazification>4 oblasts plus Crimea>No NATO
>>519820460We cannot stop supporting Ukraine. Dial the clock back to Jan 2022. We source all out TNT/RDX/Explosives for basically every munition from three sources in order of quantity:>Ukraine>Russia>PolandSo we have already lost our number 2 supplier, and we cannot afford to lose our number one supplier. Add on that our only explosives manufacturer stateside just went boom, and this shit is more critical than ever. Ps the drunk bastard who thought it was a good idea to outsource our explosive production to UKRAINE and RUSSIA should be strung up and shot.
>>519822656>What did Putin say were Russia's original war aims?I literally just said them. Or just go read it yourself. Or go read literally anything.https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a456d6dd8e27e830/e279a252-full.pdf
>>519822811I'm not feigning ignorance. I am ignorant of what Putin declared Russia's original war goals to be. HENCE ME REPEATEDLY ASKING THIS QUESTION.>>519822891>I literally just said them.No you didn't at all. You literally can't say can you? JUST SAY IT. What did Putin say they were? Stop spamming links I'm not clicking and just tell me what he said in your own words.
>>519822811>4 oblasts plus CrimeaThat wasn't even an original demand. In fact, Putin would have gladly handed them back to Ukraine in exchange for permanent Ukrainian neutrality. Because Ukrainian neutrality is necessarily pro-Russian.
>>519823062>No you didn't at all. You literally can't say can you? JUST SAY IT. What did Putin say they were? Stop spamming links I'm not clicking and just tell me what he said in your own words.Read my post you dumb nigger. >>519822381I literally said "Putin's plan was to stop NATO expansion(neutrality), and to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, and to guarantee rights for Russians in Ukraine."
>>519823143>I literally said "Putin's plan was to stop NATO expansion(neutrality), and to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, and to guarantee rights for Russians in Ukraine."Did Putin say this himself? I hope not because it didn't work at all. NATO got 2 new members since then, and Ukraine has been the opposite of "demilitarized". As for "denazified", this is a meaningless word. Russians call everything they don't like Nazi, same as antifa homosexuals do. It's cringe.
>>519823650Ukraine once upon a time had a population of 50 million and nearly half of those are Russian-speakers. If you read the Brzezinski that I posted here >>519820957He said that Ukraine needed "national consolidation". Which in layman's terms means "Ukrainization". Which is why the Russian language was banned. The goal is defacto ethnic-cleansing of Russians from Ukraine to remove Russian influence. Which would prevent people like Yanukovych from ever gaining power again(see Arestovych in this post >>519813329).If you read Putin's article from July 2021, he says "We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia. And to those who will undertake such an attempt, I would like to say that this way they will destroy their own country."That had been the plan since the early 90's(see George Soros here >>519814233). It was why Victoria Nuland orchestrated and coup, and was explained in the RAND studies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZLFmpLDPkThe main criticism of Putin was that he waited too long. He could have crushed Ukraine in 2014, but by 2022 the entire Ukrainian Army had been trained by NATO and armed to the teeth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVXzwnU1H6U&t=355s
>>519820957What the fuck are you talking about? Russia invaded Ukraine in an attempt to rebuild the USSR and daisy chain all the frozen conflicts Putin made over the course of his administration.That literally makes no sense. NATO was about to be binned before this war.>>519822391>some complex super spy shit instead of Russia not being able to maintain its nukes like everything elseOk then.>>519819469Overthrow Zelensky and install a pro Kremlin government, keep Ukraine out of NATO and prevent them from becoming a rival to Russian oil to Europe.>>519812493What the fuck are you talking about? Russia is dumping so much gas onto the market to fuel its war it’s dropped the global price of gas by a dollar.
>>519824288>NATO was about to be binned before this war.Rofl, no. Ukraine literally held joint-NATO drills in September 2021. Why do you think we pulled out of Afghanistan?https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Overseas-Operations/Article/2784503/us-nato-ukraine-enhance-interoperability-with-rapid-trident-exercisehttps://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-holds-military-drills-with-us-forces-nato-allies-2021-09-20
>>519824288>Russia is dumping so much gas onto the market to fuel its war it’s dropped the global price of gas by a dollar.Rofl, no. Russia is pumping less gas you fucking moron. It is the United States that has vastly increased oil production while also trying to reduce consumption(see electric cars).Can you be a lying ignorant fuck somewhere else?https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/crude-oil-production
>>519824288Lmao. Are you suggesting a normal rocket explosion above the ground is capable of tearing up 3km^2 of steel reinforced concrete? Because much larger energetic failures from startX, NASA, even Roscosmos failed to tear up that much. And what is the singular munition capable of releasing more energy than an ICBM rocket? A nuke. And the obvious tit for tat explosions are what pure coincidence? Right….. just like those fat niggers are starving right?Also, lol thinking that spy agencies are at war when their parent governments are at war is complex is hilariously retarded. And then adding the layer after layer of random chance and thinking its simplier!
>>519824451Why didnt we transfer all the hardware out though? Ukraine could have been surged another 100k armored vehicles, tanks, helos, ifvs, apcs, atgms, etc etc. whyd we leave that mountain of hardware for the Taliban???
>>519810012lol the people... the people will shut their arrogant fucking mouths when they themselves are drafted. the people always want all sorts of things, but they constantly refuse to be the ones who have to do the work themselves. no, a lot better to let other people bring them the glory...
>>519810131the people were pathetic fucking losers for killing mussolini. he jailed all the gangsters and the americans released them all again right afterwards. the italians are pathetic fucking slaves.
>>519825256>Why didnt we transfer all the hardware out though?In my opinion? I mean, I don't know what exactly Biden was thinking. But I know he didn't want to escalate to WWIII, and he believed the sanctions would work, and that the Russian elite would turn on Putin(he made multiple comments about the need for regime-change).Arestovych talks of needing an "intra-elite" struggle in Russia. Whereby the oligarchs could be persuaded that war with NATO was less profitable than to basically give up on Ukraine if not to become fully subordinated in exchange for protections from NATO. Especially since Russia has far more than NATO to worry about(including China in its Far East).It's why early on we targeted the oligarchs, confiscated their boats and foreign assets. We're doing somewhat the same thing in Venezuela right now by targeting the drug cartels in the hopes that the cartels will basically help overthrow Maduro so they can go back to business as usual.In any case, I think our strategy currently is basically to bleed Russia for as long as we can, and for that matter, to bleed Ukraine for as long as we can. So that Russia is weakened as much as possible, and when Ukraine inevitably loses, it will be completely destroyed. Basically, we don't want Russia inheriting Ukraine's Army and its labor force because it could then be used against us.With that said, I don't think any amount of weapons would have made much difference. The Surovikin Line was essentially impregnable. Throwing more armor at it wouldn't have done anything. And China is the much larger threat.
Mix of A and B. The ukraine will unconditionally surrender and accede to all russian demands, russia will leave them a landlocked rump state
Why all this larping about Russia defeat? Something happened apart the daily Ukranian rape? Is slow but is still rape.
>>519825256>whyd we leave that mountain of hardware for the Taliban???I don't even know what all we left for the Taliban. I think it was basically just a bunch of Humvees and a few helicopters/planes. And pretty much everything was stripped or otherwise made unusable. In any case, it was most likely because we had to leave so abruptly.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58393763If you want to know why we left, pic-related is from the speech Biden gave when he pulled out of Afghanistan.
>>519823062>I am ignorant of what Putin declared Russia's original war goals to be.See>>519822811
>>519812150dugin is a liar and a schemer. he says that russia is fighting globalism, but then he also says that russia rejects nationalism and naziism and welcomes all races into russia and wants people to freely mix with everyone. his own daughter was so obiously some kind of mongolian mutt, even. that fuck is a globalist through and through, just like everyone else.
>>519824288>russia invaded the ukraine because blah blah blah i play too many autistic map painting gameskill yourself you fucking tranny
>>519813329why can't slavniggers ever spell english properly? or speak it, for that matter? we've all spoken and written in english for a hundred years and more now, why do the slav retards still talk like morons?
>>519808992Newfag
>>519813676i know what you are hinting at, and you're wrong. russia doesn't have the population to take on all of europe. just ukraine alone has practically broken russia irreversibly. and they can't even take half if ukraine. imagine if russia attacked poland? it would be a bloodbath, it would annihilate russia forever.
>>519827181How would I know? Foreigners generally speak English poorly, and Slavs are less likely to speak English than Northwest Europeans. Large countries like Russia are less likely to learn other languages than small irrelevant countries because they don't need to.
>>519810648Russia bad West good
>>519815663A true cynic is a guy who shits in the theater you dumb fuck but how would you know
>>519825939So hubris. Seems likely.>>519826414Roughly 65,000 armored vehciles up to an including tanks. Tens of thousands of ATGMs and MANPADs. A fleet of helicopters. Light attack aircraft (would be super useful agains the shaheeds). And a bunch more thermals/nvgs, etc. all of it was ready to go surplus equipment and could have support the fall 2022 counteroffensive BEFORE russia made any defense lines. Imagine another 500,000 mechanized troops backing that offensive which overwhelmed the local lines. It would have been a catastrophe for Russia. https://www.irs.org.pk/Report1/US%20Leftover%20Weapons-Web.pdf
>>519820500>What does Stoltenberg have to do with NATO?
>>519808879Scenario B but without the Odessa region is the most probable.
>>519809183tranny retard.
>>519808879In terms of B and C. It doesn't look to me that the land east of Kherson looks too defensible. Are there natural fortifications that would protect it from a hohol counterhruk?
>>519826906I would somewhat agree with you. Dugin's job is to be an "ideologist". And the role of the ideologist is basically to promote whatever ideology serves the interests of the state. He basically plays the role of the "priest class". Whose job is basically to indoctrinate people into politically/socially advantageous beliefs.Basically, to the extent Dugin is opposed to "globalism" it is for political pragmatism, not personal beliefs. If supporting globalism benefitted Russia, he would be for it. But since it opposes Russia he is against it.This is fundamentally the nature of every state and its propagandists/intellectuals/universities/etc. America's embrace of globalism was in large part aimed at integrating its global empire. It is basically George Soros' "Open Societies" that he believed could be essentially exported through "color revolutions" around the world because it generally appealed to the young.It is somewhat summarized here >>519814233Full link here.https://www.georgesoros.com/1993/11/01/toward-a-new-world-order-the-future-of-nato
>>519808992i can see it just fine. even on my phone. you must be retarded
>>519808879>take area the size of which spans from amsterdam to paris.>secure eastern resources>secure crimea, naval assets>secure russian strategic power projection into the bosporus and middle east - ensuring russias role as global power player. am supposed to believe this is defeat? lmao. i'm pretty sure this was russia's plan al along, with the rest just being western media cope bullshit. mind you, i'm not even rooting for the fucking russians but its as clear as day to me. How the fuck do you see russia occupying the entirety of the ukraine in the first place, in this day and age?
>>519827720To be fair, most of those weapons weren't like leftover in US military bases. They were weapons given to Afghan Security Forces who were supposed to keep fighting the Taliban. But who basically just surrendered immediately the moment we announced we were leaving.
>>519823064>In fact, Putin would have gladly handed them back to Ukraine in exchange for permanent Ukrainian neutrality.I don't think that's an option
>>519811343Are you a time traveler from 1960?
>>519811776>disproves his own argumentkek
>>519812493most of US GDP is vapor AI Ponzi schemes
>>519828726>I don't think that's an optionNot now, but certainly at the start, and would have happened if not for Boris Johnson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78s7icMiE8
>>519824288>Russia invaded Ukraine in an attempt to rebuild the USSR
>>519825939>We're doing somewhat the same thing in Venezuela right now by targeting the drug cartels in the hopes that the cartels will basically help overthrow Maduro so they can go back to business as usual.Except Venezuela is not a drug producer. Maybe Trump meant Colombia but since he's retarded he's targeting the wrong country.
>>519829127Naa, because it has nothing to do with drugs. Drugs are just Trump's excuse. Why do you think we gave the Nobel peace prize to that dumb lying Venezuela whore? Regime-change is the goal. Or I should say, oil.
>>519808879Unless Putin negotiates in good faith right now, its F wuth a sliver if a chance of E. If he dies indeed negotiate, he might get a uneasy peace treaty for a few years. In the end tho, its F by 2050. Russia royally fucked up.
>>519829127pic-related
>>519827384>polandRussia would unleash its ordnance in a total war scenario where youd be eating lead cereal every morning and for dinner a ground concrete meal in your personal gaza. The terrifying reality of a nuke annihilating a city would instantly calm you down. Youre all chihahuas just waiting for a boot to crush your yapping skulls .
>>519808879A "phyrric victory" can occur on both sides simultaneously.US is losing reserve currency status from the Ukraine War alone. This will kill the US empire and make the US just another country again (which is good if you are American)The defeat of American elites is a victory for all American plebs.
>>519826906This is how I know you're dumb as fuck>Dugin says that russia is fighting globalism, It literally is, globalists (EU and Judeo America encircled it)>but then he also says that russia rejects nationalism and naziism Because Russia is a multiethnic country so if you want everybody to feel Russian you can't favor one group>and welcomes all races into russia and wants people to freely mix with everyone. Russia doesn't import immigrants ( inb4 2 black doctors moved to Russia it's over), ALL RACES means ALL RACES THAT ARE ALREADY IN RUSSIA>his own daughter was so obiously some kind of mongolian mutt, even.Yes, Russians have a lot of Asians, duhEisenhower was a nigger mutt. Happens in racially non uniform countriesThat being said Dugin is Jordan Peterson tier importance so idk why is he always cited here as if he was Stalin or smth
>>519827384Russia acts restrained in Ukraine3 years of war, tens if not hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers on both sides and 13 THOUSAND CIVILIAN CASUALTIESCompare it to Israel or any American war, they kill mostly civiliansUnrestrained Russia would be very different
>>519828122That quote is spot on though
>>519829769>russia is holding back!>crying_wojak.pngSure, hun.
>>519829437i'm going to press x to doubt
>>519829277I get that but my point is that if you want drug cartels to overthrow Maduro then Venezuela should have drug cartels. They at best have a few opportunists who can traffic some drugs, according to (((analysts))) but they are a few since everything goes by sea anyway
>>519829769restraint my fucking ass, if putin could have taken ukraine, he would have done so a long time ago
>>519829277Oil and untapped rare earth minerals. Trump's plan to to revitalize the american economy by just plundering the resources of another country instead of figuring out how to fix the fundamentally broken system we have in America.
>>519830174This. Anything else is a cope. If Russia had the ability to take Ukraine, almost no matter what it might have cost them to do so, it would have been worth it compared to the outcome they have now.The illusion that Russia's military is in any way relevant as a major power beyond their nuclear arms has been shattered. Ukraine should have been an easy win for them, and seeing them consistently fail to make progress on the battlefield for 3 years has made them look unimaginably weak.When the US lost a war in the middle east, it was in the form of local resistance refusing to be stamped out in asymmetrical warfare after the major military victories were long over. Thats a very different game compared to Russia just... never getting to the major military victory step.
>>519810959what you are talking about isnt cynicism, its nihilism, you commie fuck
>>519830061The only doubt is why havent you invaded russia yet since youre so strong. Oh its cos ure not. Hell yoi dont even jave to invade just show up to ukraine. Oh thats right theyd wipe you out if u escalate like that. Pussy
>>519827998Xe’s right though. Russia’s economy can’t hold out forever and China stands to gain far more if they deal with the US to loot a toppled Russia than they do if they prop up Russia to achieve…a milquetoast victory.
>>519829909>That quote is spot on thoughYes, it's true, but that has nothing to do with what I said. There was a great quote from Milton Friedman many years ago that went something like, "Thank god for waste in government. If governments were efficient, we're all be slaves."What I mean to say is, ideology is not an end, it is a means to an end. Or as the old saying goes, people don't have ideologies, ideologies have people. The role of ideology in society is to mobilize people for some purpose. Especially for the benefit of the state, but also by those who oppose one state or another. By mobilizing the masses.To the extent there is "freedom" or "autonomy" in the world, it is a product of the competition between states and between factions within states. If you remove that competition, you would get permanent tyranny.If you think of Europe, it is essentially a US vassal with no resources who would be poorer than Africa if it were treated like Russia, Iran, China, etc. Which is why it basically cannot resist American demands, and says nothing when America blows up its infrastructure(Nordstream).To the extent Europe has real sovereignty, is to the extent has strategic value which is competed over between the great powers(IE Russia and America). Basically, America had to build Europe up to keep it dependent on America. In short, we bought them off. But the reason is because we need to contain Russia, and if we didn't buy Europe off, Europe would have no choice but to turn to Russia.As it relates to Dugin, what I mean to say is, Dugin is saying these things to convince the "global south" to support Russia and for no other reason. Whether it is true, or good, only matters insofar as it is powerful. Whether Dugin personally believes it doesn't really matter because the outcome is still the same.On the other hand, if Russia/Dugin didn't exist, or if it had already been subordinated, the issue never would have been raised, because everyone else is too weak.
>>519830434No, retard. Nihilism means that you believe nothing matters(basically it is the antithesis of religion). Cynicism means that you believe people are primarily or purely driven by self-interest(which is what all libertarians believe).
>>519808879They're well beyond 'D' and still moving forward. The time for Ukraine to negotiate for a peace deal based on D was about 2 years ago while they were still moving forward. They've now lost momentum, lost most of their professional soldiers and are pretty much incapable of offensive action (Kursk and the Mariupol beach party were shitshows). Somewhere closer to C is where I'd expect it to end up post war. Possibly B if Ukraine is REALLY stubborn and tries to hang on until collapsing (Germany 1918 scenario)
>>519810994>>519814072 >stated as war aimsyou mean "denazifying ukraine"? after denying an invasion plan for 3 months, which the US called out including satellite images over and over again, despite every zigger saying "nuh uh we are not gonna invade nafo is lying"ziggers gonna zig
>>519814524> chat, is 10 years of flat growth good> wait this is denominated in dollars?lmao
>>519829909>>519830556Let me clarify a bit more because I think I was going in too many directions.What I mean to say is, Dugin is a Utilitarian who is using ideology for geopolitical purposes. And his purpose is basically to turn the world against America. America did the same thing during the Cold War. Which is why we put "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. We wanted to portray the Soviet Union as atheists hostile to religion out to conquer the world. Whereas Americans were believers(or at least gave religious freedom). The Russians are basically trying to flip the script by painting themselves as the believers and America as the godless atheists promoting degeneracy and trying to conquer the world.With that said, even if Dugin doesn't believe a word he says, it doesn't matter because the outcome is still good, and the alternative is worse. Moreover, supporting Russia/Dugin doesn't mean Russia is poised to take over the world. Russia will still be at best the third Great Power regardless of what happens in this war.Regardless, my point is, America has only been able to behave the way it has because everyone else was too weak. My goal is to divide power up between more states to increase the competition between states. Basically, globalism was really only possible under unipolarity.
>>519830031>>519830174Explain low civilian deaths but high military deaths>Inb4 Russia is incompetentDoesn't work because they are capable of killing soldiers so civilians should be 10x easier to kill.Jews and Mutts usually kill 10x civilians than soldiers>if putin could have taken ukraine, he would have done so a long time agoHe is taking it but since he's fighting a proper war it takes more time. He could just have shelled them into submission by killing a million civilians and destroying the capital for example
>>519831281>My goal is to divide power up between more states to increase the competition between statesThis is the opposite of what is going to happen if Russia, China, and America are allowed to gobble up more territories, as is currently happening.So maybe you're just a low IQ furfag NEET with grandiose narcissism and not a "geopolitical strategist." Also, can we talk about how gay and r3ddit the word "geopolitical" has become? We have uhhh "PEOPLE" who live in their parents' basements spamming the word "geopolitics" in YouTube comments sections about skibidi toilet. This is not good.
>>519808879> Initial Putin objective. Sad watching Americans lie this hard to cope with losing yet another war.
>>519831537>This is the opposite of what is going to happen if Russia, China, and America are allowed to gobble up more territories, as is currently happening.The fundamental problem with the modern world is that America breaks any possibility of a balance of powers because it is effectively a continental island protected by two oceans living in complete security in the western hemisphere while it intervenes all over the world.We have used our position to provoke wars and to pick sides. Basically, we've been acting exactly like the British Empire, except much much bigger and much better protected.In any case, if the goal is to decentralize power, then the strategy has to be for weak powers to break up stronger powers, until all that is left is weak powers who can be easily balanced against.
Reminder:Anyone using terms like "nafo tranny" has a skin colour so dark that no light can escape it
>>519831537>Russia, China, and America are allowed to gobble up more territories, as is currently happening.What territories is China "gobbling up"
>>519832142Of course you would make believe you nafo tranny
>>519808879>total Russian defeat>Russia in possession of the one thing in the Ukraine they actually wantfucking lmao what is this cope
>>519832142Found the NAFO tranny.
It's about time the entire Eurasian content was de-communised.
>>519831499
>>519830398why do you trannies constantly pretend that the ukraine was militarily weak and just waiting to fall over instead of acknowledging the fact that europe and the US funded, trained, and equipped their armed forces for nearly a decade while they built fortifications in nearly 20% of their country in that time?
>>519834772Also fooling Russia with 'negotiations' (Minsk 2) to buy as much time as possible to arm and build.
>>519830552why would china have an interest in niggers and trannies? america has made it clear that they want to peel china and russia from one another so it can take them down one at a time, so why would they let that happen?
>>519834772Fun fact: Ukraine received 2x more aid in dollars to fight Russia than SSSR got in Lend Lease to fight Germany (adjusted for inflation)
>>519832142weird way to out yourself as a nafo tranny
>>519834827it is known that western political elites and diplomats speak only to deceive, engage in diplomacy only to betray, and appeal to international law only to subvert and destroy
>>519828122I'm reading the link rn, is this supposed to be bad ?So far he's spot on
>>519827467for me, it's pontid
>>519809183best girl poster is right or won't, idk, i just really like kirsche
>>519808879Something between C and D, I dont believe Ukraine will be western aligned though, it would be a catastrophic defeat for Russia if that happens, much bigger part of their goal than the meagre land areas is that Ukraine wont be a NATO base of operations
>>519812493>The only thing that can save America at this point is more war.As if we didn't loot the entire British empire in WW2. As we nickeled and dimed drunk shabbos Churchill, for shit that was unpossible to obtain in EuropeNot sure if you heard, but WW3 is coming at us fast in 2026. As was predixted in late 2021 & early 2022 by countless narcissistic military clearance insiders on every news channel daily. Shockingly I ignored them and assumed 2025
>>519810012The Russian military leadership are likely directing this war, not Putin. They won't stop until Russia has borders on the Carpathians or a neutered buffer state in-between. It's literally ogre for Russia if they don't achieve either of these.
