When will Russia actually win this war? Or will the slugfest last forever?
stinky status?
>>519834480>When will Russia actually win this war?In a few years
>>519834528stinkier than ever
>>519834480Until the last Ukrainian. If it isn't obvious Jews will move to Novorossiya (former Ukraine) when the war is over.
The real question is when will they open again?
>>519834784exactly
>>519834480Either when the rest of the ukrainians choose to not to die or when ukraine runs out of ukrainians which ever happens first. Could be tomorrow, could be next year depends entirely on them.
>>519834480Porkroast status?
>>519834480Damn there's a place in Ukraine called Temporarily Closed?
>>519834480My kids just want more dead slavniggers
>>519835267Why do you hate White people?
>>519834480>When will Russia actually win this war?idkbut I can tell you that if they wanted to, Ukraine wouldn't have rail service
>>519834480Can you define what "win" means in this context first?
>>519834480as long as nato keeps pumping in poles and what not into the meat grinder, itll delay more and more.people just die from different countries while pretending to not be nato while being nato.its complicated, zog shit.
>>519834480Yes. If you are speaking in terms of Russia securing a favorable peace settlement. Taking some clay and shit. But it will maybe take another couple of years of slowly attritioning the Ukies.The basic facts here are this. Ukraine lacks the means to defeat Russia. Russia has more manpower. So Russia just keeps slogging away until the Ukies run out of warm bodies. Its that simple. The front lines mean nothing, its just a numbers game.Then also consider the stakes. Russia can not afford to lose, that would be the end of Putin, its economy, and perhaps the dissolution of Russia itself back into its ancient regional powers. No one has got Russia's back. No one will help them rebuild, or invest in Russia.For Ukraine its just dire, but different in significant ways. Zelesnky can and will be replaced. Its a democracy ( in theory ) Ukraine has the backing of the West who will help rebuild it after the war ( even though that will come with a shitload of baggage ). Therefore a loss for Ukraine carries less catastrophic consequences than for Russia and Putin.But the key take away here is that outside any peace settlement its a major disaster for both countries, regardless of outcome. Ukraine has suffered immense demographic damage and will for the foreseeable future become a western puppet state to be exploited by western economic interests and filled with 3rd world immigrants. Russia faces a different but euqlly disaterous fate. Its big bad boy bluff card has been called, its international reputation in tatters, its already shambolic economy further deflated once the war economy wears off, Quite seriously they will have more to fear a Chinese incursion into Siberia to seize its energy reserves than Taiwan has to fear from a maritime invasion.The tragedy here is that from a global perspective, and a demographic one, Ukraine would have been far better off just to accept defeat on Day 1. As it stands now Ukraine as a ethnic entity is finished.
>>519835829THD
At current pace? 34 years to get enitre country. I'm to lazy to count how long until they run out of soldats
>>519835899/thread
>>519835865kek there's like 20 confirmed dead poles since 2022.
>>519834480theyve lost territory since 2022 lmao
>>519836062And how many Krabs have you seen get wasted?
>>519836193How many webm's I have seen personally? probably 5-10.
>>519835140I think it must be a soviet thing. They've got a temporarily closed in every town
>>519836079so? germany gained ground and lost in ww1. in a war like this ground gained comes as a result of reduced enemy potential and must be operationally relevant
>>519834480https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqJsKRtiBOQ
>>519836661given the amount of manpower and equipment they've lost its quite bad
>>519837401oh you've got access to precise and accurate figures? or are we citing trump tweets and oryx?
It's like WW1 but instead of being between great powers it's between a superpower and a tiny impoverished third world shithole.Embarrassing...
>>519834480Give it a several more years.Now that Trump has secured weapons deals with Europeans Ukraine has a steady flow of weaponry from Europe and probably won't collapse.
>>519837584your country belongs to niggers
>>519834480If any sort of ceasefire happens and western funding leaves Ukraine, the country will freefall into poverty as no external investors will want to rebuild a country that might re-enter war at any time. Ukraine's foreign debt is also insane. It does not have enough men to kickstart it's economy meaning it'll need mass migration of desperate slave-level workers (jeets). It lost the backbone of it's economy in Russian energy and the farms and mines of the east. It needs trillions in rebuilding. Ukraine isn't a prize, it's a liability. My prediction is a ceasefire next year and Ukraine entering a civil war the year after. At which point Russia will consume it as a whole and continue to push to old ussr borders.
>>519834480The slugfest will continue for several more years. So far, Ukraine resisted Western demands to mobilize 18-25 and they even allow them to move abroad now. It is likely Ukraine will also resist future demands to mobilize women, 15+, 60+ etc.If nothing changes, Ukraine will collapse around 2027 due to lack of manpower. However, strong attempts are being made to find additional cannon fodder that can be utilized to prolong the war. Obviously, there is no question of USA, Germany, France etc. sending their soldiers to die. Instead, they pressure weaker countries to volunteer instead. They will probably succeed. They will rely on a proven tactic of false flag attacks to manipulate the public opinion.The recent election in Romania proved wildly successful. It took some effort, but in the end, people voted correctly. Therefore, I expect Romania will be next country to join the war, providing critically needed manpower. Over time, hopefully, more countries will prove their devotion to democratic values by voting correctly. After this, they will join the war as well.With some effort, it is possible the war will last until 2035 or even longer.
>>519837831the russians won't accept a ceasefire before there's a legally binding settlement that addresses their security concerns, the ukrainians will never accept a settlement that requires them to relinquish territory. the only outcome left is a russian military victory and a ukrainian unconditional surrender
When is Ukraine going to boot Russia out and win this war? They've got the entire backing of the western world and yet they cant stop loosing towns. Why?
>>519834480Probably 3-5years till russia wins
>>519838013I think Trump will push both to stall their efforts. At which point Ukraine's moralization will falter due to supply shortages and a lack of mobility. That's why Trump wants Canada and Greenland to keep America on top and secure resources. China and Russia are both expanding their reach inevitably. He just doesn't want to be known as the president that allowed the ussr to reform.
>>519835116pigpen closed
>>519836079amazing cope lmao
>>519834480It's hard to know, because prolonging the war actually benefits the Russians. Currently, 40% of their economy is focused on the war, and they're using Ukraine as a "laboratory" to rapidly improve their military technology. Military technology, while dependent on engineering, also relies heavily on real-life combat testing, something the West has been short on recently. If the war ends abruptly, their economy would suffer much more than with economic sanctions.Economic sanctions actually affect Europe more than Russia, because the idiots went into "environmentalist mode" and now have no capacity to generate energy. They depend on Russian oil, and even if they switch to buying it from the US, they will still secretly buy it from Russia, but through intermediaries, which often means it's more expensive.Meanwhile, thanks to Donald Trump, the US is free from having to support the Ukrainians, and it's Europe that has to buy weapons from Ukraine, through NATO. So they won't have the money to rebuild it. Zelensky is an idiot for not having surrendered much earlier, because he never had a chance to win this war.
>>519834480has ukraine had any victories lately? seems like they just keep losing ground
>>519838067First of all, because the news you receive about the "poor performance of Russian weapons" comes from Western media and is often exaggerated to boost morale. Yes, Ukraine manages to win in some areas, but Russian weapons win in others; they are not as backward as Europeans would like to believe. They are the third largest military power in the world for a reason.Second, because Russia has more people. You can give the Ukrainians weapons, but they need time to learn how to use them, and in that time they die. How much population do you think they have left? On the other hand, Russia can easily send its troops "drop by drop" to minimize its losses, but it is in no hurry because it knows that in the end it will win by attrition. It is inevitable.The only way for Russia to lose is for the US to go to all-out war against them. But that's not going to happen because, even if it wins in the end, the cost will be too high when atomic weapons come into play.
>>519837963That's also my estimation, but with the addition that North Korea and CSA members (and possibly China in the end) will also send manpower to the russian side to mirror the possible Romanians and Poles and Croats (and 'Germans' in the end) who will be send from the western side... In the end there could be battles between pure North Korean and German formations somewhere in western Ukraine, because the others have burned through their manpower already.
>>519837963>>519839445>Ukraine will collapse2 more weeksI get that the idea of your propaganda is to enable you to give your own people hope that the war isn't endless, but the reality is there is no ending it.This war will last 20 years and Russians will cope about it until they finally leave just like Afghanistan, but with WW2 style losses.
can a big brain who knows a lot about this situation explain to me why progress is so slow? does Russia have restrictive rules of engagement a la Vietnam for America? Could they theoretically steamroll Ukraine if conditions were different, or is this revealing weakness?
>>519839751There are no rules of engagement in Ukraine, the only thing they're refraining from using is extreme chemical weapons and nukes, mostly because the average wind direction of the region makes both disadvantageous but also a risk of retaliation.Attacking a heavily entrenched enemy that has access to releasing killer drones from their bunkers is incredibly difficult, and convincing mobiks to assault those positions when its almost certain death is also difficult.Progress takes thousands of lives, and supplying those attackers is also dangerous, it'a an absolute bloodbath.
>>519839914>There are no rules of engagement in UkraineThis is hard to imagine. Why else, for example, wouldn't they just overwhelm them with ballistic missiles?
>>519840332Are you retarded.
>>519834480>Or will the slugfest last forever?Until Putin dies.
My best guess is that it would take about 3 more years to get the rest of the territory they want (this includes stuff beyond the oblasts they have "officially" annexed).
>>519837516The fucks wrong with Oryx?>How dare you cite photo proof I can see with my own eyes!!!!Lmaoooooo
>>519840332>Why else, for example, wouldn't they just overwhelm them with ballistic missiles?That's kind of what they do. But they focus on infrastructure.Attacking civilians is mostly a waste of missiles. It's not like Zelensky cares about them.
>>519840368>no rules of engagement>weeeeelll you have to be retarded for not realizing there are actually rules of engagement and..ok so can you actually clarify or are you just going to hurl insults, Nigel
Russia is currently fighting all of NATO and the Covenant and the Borg and is clearing a path for the runaway nuke-carrier from Blast Corps all by themselves.... and is losingShow some respect, chud.
>>519839751>why progress is so slow? There's a "drone kill zone" between the front lines, and any troops or vehicles that move into it, gets swarmed by drones. Therefore making any advances is insanely difficult, and costs huge amounts of lives and material.
>>519839751>Could they theoretically steamroll Ukraine if conditions were different, or is this revealing weakness?Yes and no.At the beginning of the war, Russia moved very quickly around the map, but in mostly empty areas that Ukraine had no fortified. They eventually moved out of those.But moving against Ukrainian fortifications (in the south East) is very difficult. It's like attacking a medieval castle. They have had a few successes:- in Bakhmut, at a high cost in lives (but it was mostly mercenaries and inmates)- in Avdiivka, but that's because they found a massive flaw; an abandoned pipe under the city, allowing to do a surprise attackRight now they're doing a tactic where they slowly encircle Ukrainian positions to force them to move out, with the treat of running out of supply lines. It works but it's slow.
>>519834712And millions of Indians wiöö replace the dead vatniks in Russia. It has been obvious for a while
>>519837584It will soon be longer than WW1
>>51983448010,000 pigs are trapped there and it's not even BBQ season.
>>519835267Jew detected
>>519837584Why is NATO so scared of Russia then?
>>519838678They captured a few Russians in the hamlet of kocheriv yar. Meanwhile, Russia has taken the cities Kupiansk and Pokrovsk.
>>519839751Drones and intel make it impossible to move and build up a significant force. Armoured vehicles are also mostly obsolete unless they look like literal hairy caterpillars.
>>519838310trump has literally no leverage over russia, they don't even give a fuck about sanctions relief. the only thing he can hold over their heads is nuclear war, and the russians know he's a coward who'll never follow through
>>519842120The longer this war drags on the bigger an embarrassment it is for him and the more desperate he'll get to end it to save face. This will lead to more pressure on Ukraine to consneed, which we're starting to see now. Also, the USA needs to rotate east to meet China and this war still going on is bad for that. China probably wants Russia to keep going for this reason.
>>519837584so just like ww1 but with drones and everyone can see the map
>>519838511its not cope if what i said is literally true
>>519840476rusniggers are on their last legs
>>519834480The zister units will prove decisive
>>519834480>B-b-but look at how long it took themIt's so cute how you dumb cunts relentlessly but ineffectively are trying to diminish the inevitable final total utter HUMILIATION OF NATO FAGGOTRY. BWAAHAHAHAHAAA!
>>519834480Could take a while. There will either be a rather complex diplomatic solution (which Zelensky and EU sabotage right now) or there will be a collapse of the Ukrainian front due to lack of manpower. Whichever comes first. The Russians are not exactly unhappy about that sabotage of the peace process, because they believe that the longer the war goes on, the better their own negotiation position is going to be. Which has been the case so far. Back in 2023 most westoids still believed in a Wunderwaffen-powered total Ukrainian victory. Nobody unironically does that anymore. Even the NAFO discord channels have lost their energy. People find a real job or real friends and move on with their lives, new recruits stopped coming entirely.My question would be: How much of former Ukraine is Russia going to control when the war is over? Are the Russians going to get Odessa? Is Galicia going to be a Russian puppet or a Polish puppet or an American puppet?
putin wont survive this war
>>519842591It is true that the body exchange ratio is like 40 to 1 lmao
>>519834987Its crazy to me that they havent lowered the age of draftees yet but have raised it several times. That instantly would throw up some red flags for me If I were middle aged Ukrainian man. Like WTF?
>>519843396They did lower from 27 to 25. And it is no secret that Ukraine is mostly drafting the 40+ year olds. They see them as "Soviet", and should be liquidated
>>519838893i concur with all you said, im just pointing out the stupidity of the OP.
>>519843396They lowered the draft age to 23 this year, a further decrease to 20 is expected for the next year. The total Volkssturm mobilisation is getting closer.Back when the bunker systems from the 2014 civil war were still under control of the Kiev regime, General Zalushny said he needs 20000 new recruits per month to hold the front against the Russian Army. Zelensky couldn't deliver that much back then, improbable that he can do it now.
Around 2027 I guess.
>>519835891ill respond because you have a good take and made an effort, stupid shitposters ruined the site.\I actually know a few russians who want their regions independent of russia, mostly the islamic portions.
>>5198344803-4 years
>>519835891>Quite seriously they will have more to fear a Chinese incursion into Siberia to seize its energy reserves than Taiwan has to fear from a maritime invasion.No. Only a complete retard would seek a military confrontation with the Russians. They are so much easier ways. China can just buy them.
>retarded amerishart doesn't understand the concept of fortificationsrybar made a map of the trenchlines in that area and there are an insane amount of them there. now watch retarded amerisharts claim the US military could break through that easily, even when there's endless amounts of footage of bradleys and abrams getting utterly obliterated the moment in this environment the moment they show up.
>>519837401Why would that matter in an attritional war
>>519835891>Russia has more manpower. So Russia just keeps slogging away until the Ukies run out of warm bodies. Its that simple.oh but its not that simple. Imagine another afghanistan were to take place. Do you know that russians dont have children? Do you know that they have butchered a lot of soviet technological programs? Lets take the scenerio where this war takes another 10 years to complete. The attrition rate in this war is relatively low, but it happens on top of russians not having enough kids to feed to the meatgrinder. What happens if 10 years from now the russian population shrinks by another 15 mil people? Do you think that they will be able to sustain its current level of engagement in the world of imperial politics? Will they be able to compete with china, america? Hell, even eu will have a better situation by then. Last time afghanistan had happened, the soviet regime started to tumble. This war is not sustainable for russia, at least not forever.
