Why do Suomalainen make fun of Russian people for looking as Uralic as they do?
>>519926184Finns share genetics with Chinese people
>>519926271True, Y-Haplogroup N which split from Y-Haplogroup O.
>>519926271THESE Chinese mummies were found out to have male N haplotype today found mainly in Finland, not anymore in ChinaIt happened 4000 years ago.
>>519926528I wonder if they were a lost tribe of Uralics who were assimilated by Proto-Agni-Kuchean peoples.
>>519926184>Russian people for looking as Uralic as they do?source?
>>519926992Have you seen the average Novgorodian? The less Uralic among them are more Ukrainian adjacent.
>>519926184Nobody looks "Uralic" whatever the fuck that means.
>>519926184First of all, this is not something people do outside schizo circles. Second of all, Russians are deflective about Southern Russians, lacking Finnish heritage being enemies of Europe and will go to great lengths to defend them. Russians need to pick a side, the Southern Italian like Arabs in Sochi or Nordic people in Arkangel. You can't have a both, that is Judaism eg. a transracial construct.>>519926487This is all under K2, which is Asian. K2 is also the ancestor of R1 which is Indo-Europeans have. We need to drop the imaginary genetic multipolarity and accept that Indo-Eurasians are mixed race people of mixed Caucasian and East Asian origin. The average European is about 30% East Asian, perhaps with Finns it's 40%.
>>519926184Ngga pls. Finns used to populate whole siberia, parts of china and even america. Those chinks and american-indians probably killed, drove off or mixed with ancient finns. Just because some tribal beaner in south america shares 2% of theor dna with finns doesn't mean we are the same people.
>>519927130There's quite a many Uralic phenotypes. I have Savolaxid and slightly less Fenno-Nordid influence myself. Either from Karelians or Komi but perhaps both.
>>519926184they speak some pajeet language so one cannot stop laughing
>>519927268Manmade illusions. You are not Finnish.
>>519927191>The average European is about 30% East Asian, perhaps with Finns it's 40%.Not exactly. Europeans are about 30% Ancestral-East-Asian, that type doesnt exist anymore.They all died in Asia but survived in Europe, 10 000 years ago, and became Europeans.They ALSO gave birth to Asians, 10 000 years ago, but disappeared in the process by mixing with ChineseChinese (the non Finnish type) DID NOT live in China 10 000 - 20 000 yers ago they lived in Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand.They conquered China and wiped out Europeans who were the original Chinese.Thats why all Asians today look the same, except Japanese. Because Japanese arent fully Asian, they are 50% unknown heritage which have disappeared from everywhere except Japan.Even Japanese language has nothing to do with Asian languages, except the writing system (symbols)MOST Asiatic language ever is Thai. Not Chinese. Chinese language is a bit of a mystery as well.
>>519927268Why are you rambling about Uralics, when your phenotype is from the Aryans? EHG were massively more East Eurasian shifted than Finns on a PCA. Admittedly, they looked like monsters just like you(just somewhat browner I suppose) but that's what an R1-Aryan was all about before Georgianization and Sardinianization.Clinging on to the Caucasoid Aryans theory is obsolete. Your ancestors came from Beijing(Tianyuan man) and were East Eurasian Chinese monsters with higher IQs than Caucasoid wives.
>>519926487problem with genetic studies is jewish grants
>>519926184Finns are unironically more Asian than Russians despite half their country being in Asia
>>519926271it could be worse (indian)
>>519927464You don't know what Asia means. You are the kind of people that use moose for elk because Amuriburgers said so.
>>519927409Uralics have a LOT of Indo-Iranian influence on the linguistic and genetic level. Much like Turkic people.
>>519927464Russian far east had VERY SMALL population 500 years ago when Russia annxed it. Moscow population was larger.Chinese could have annexed it as well if Russia werent there first. But China didnt seem to care.
>>519927464On average? sure. As a whole? No. Northern Russians have up to 3 times more "Uralic" admixture than Finns.
>>519926528Finnish exhibition personnel even put it in warm clothes. So cute.
>>519927536We need to find out how many Russians out of 130 million have that type of DNA to make a comparisonMuscovites who have protected their bloodline for centuries, are on average mostly like Polish elites (not the common pole), by geneticsMuscovites are also found in Finland altough they lost their connections to Moscow centuries ago.But I am talking strictly about bloodlines.Origin of Russians are Kiev, 1000 years ago, but this aint the whole truth because entire Russia became conquered by Mongolia, 700 years ago.As a result all Russian elites of today have Mongol DNA.SOME lesser elites (they arent allowed to rule) have pure Muscovite DNA and therefore Kiev/Pole DNA.
>>519927520Again, why are you obsessing with Uralics? Do you know what ANE and EHG even are?Former is 25000 years old, latter maybe half that. This was so much before any Uralic ever existed, although Uralics have some ANE too it was a in a modest quantity initially.If you're looking for the monster in your pedigree, search in Beijing Tianyuan whose spawn underwent many rounds of dillution.
>>519926184DELET THIS
>>519927409We I1 are superior and dominated R1anyuan men.
>>519926528So you wuz saying we wuz Jade Emprahs and shieeet?
>>519927536Also the tribe of Finns is the one in Southwestern Finland which is the most Western group of Finnics.
>>519927891no, this is older than cult of Jade EmperorJade Emperor was never proven and he was worshipped 1000 years ago
>>519927912I know about SW Finns, but most Finns are either Tavastians or mixed. So about 70% of Finns are relatively homogeneous, 15% are southwesterners, 10% easterners, 5% northerners.
>>519927827>>519927912Many west Russians are annexed LithuaniansAbout 300 000 Lithuanians ended up in Russian empire some 400-300 years ago.Only 10 000 ended up in Sweden.I would wager 300 years ago average Lithuanian looked like South West Finns
>>519928043Pure Tavastians are almost the same as Finns. 69% Sweden Iron Age, which is not the Dane-shifted Scandinavian ancestry that dominates today. It's probably closer to the original I1 folks that lived on both sides of the sea.
>>519927130Um akshually the Uralic phenotype is one of the most ancient human phenotypes.
>>519927827>>519927891>>519928011>>519928043>t.
>>519928112That's not true Tavastians are independent from both SW Finns and East Finns but cluster about halfway between because their components are intermediate. They share more recent common ancestry with SW Finns since people didn't move from eastern Finland to Tavastia much, so their common ancestry with East Finns(traced by both N and I1 subclades) is from the 1st millenium AD.
>>519927398>Chinese (the non Finnish type) DID NOT live in China 10 000 - 20 000 yers ago they lived in Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand.The OG ancestors of the Han Chinese were invaders from the West.The current accepted theory is that they came from the Caucasus mountains and are related (distantly) to Chechens, Georgians and other ancestral Caucasians.
>>519928327But Tavastia also had pre-Finnish populationThere was a settlement in Hämeenlinna city 8000 years ago.First Indo Europeans were born 6000 years ago.Finnish language is likely 4000-6000 years old.So who lived in Tavastland 8000 years ago?We may never know. The 8000 year old bone fragment DNA is inconclusive. All it can say is "not African".
>>519928327Finland got colonized directly over the sea from Estonia. Tavastia was the inland colony of Finns. It's not even controversial to say the languages of SW Finland are the most divergent. The babble will sometimes sound a bit Estonian even. Everyone in East Finland speaks younger dialects that are not much different from each other.
>>519927747Doesn't bother me to be honest... Human migrations are interesting!
>>519927409The OG Aryans (aka Yamnaya) were from the Russian steppe; around the Samara Bend specifically.I doubt the average phenotype changed much since then. Basically the Aryans looked like Eastern Europeans.>>519927709>As a result all Russian elites of today have Mongol DNA.There were no Mongols in Russia proper and modern Russians have zero percent Mongol DNA.("Tatars" are a different story, but the Volga Tatars are genetically ancestral Aryan and Uralic populations that switched to a Turkic language.)
>>519926184Answer is bassically old memes, + overall stupidity of westernfags.Russia is not european but a savage asian because they are mutted with savage finish asian barbarians but 100% fin country is european.Thinking alot hurts the brain ya know.
>>519928500>Finland got colonized directly over the sea from EstoniaYes, so did Sweden hence why you had the Proto-Rurikids etc. Finns don't branch off from Estonians in Y-DNA though unlike Svealand Svenssons with up to 30% Estonian paternal input.Finns(as a whole) have about 50% "Eastern" paternal lines, 35% Scandinavian paternal lines, and maybe 10% Estonian paternal lines, with some random ones too. Southwest Finns do have both more Estonian and more Scandinavian paternal lines and Tavastians differ from them in the frequency of the "eastern" paternal lines being significantly larger. So Tavastians are basically an East Finn/Tavastian common ancestral population being subject to Southwest Finnish admixture.
>>519928626A Pamiri on 4chan says I look like a Yuezhi/Kushan. I think he's absolutely right.
>>519928691What's interesting is steel manufacturing (Unknown to Uralics except Magyars) came to northern Russia via both Kievan Rus Slavs and Volga Bulgars.
>>519928725You look like the original Iranid peoples. Not Iranians from today. But the eastern Indo-Europeans who roamed the steppes, before they got browned.
>>519928835Hungarians are Uralics in the same sense that Irish people are Germanic.
>>519928919Except for language but you are otherwise completely right, at least 4 of the 7 Magyar tribes were either Alanic or Turkic.
>>519928872Probably Alanic stock o algo.
>>519928723Well, who knows what samples they have in their databases. Usually those are selected out of elderly in tiny villages, but sometimes not. The folks living in Virumaa or thereabout might not be what they were 2000 years ago. Let's not forget that Ingrians were back migrants from Finland. And at one point Reval/Tallinn needed people so Sweden relocate some Finns there. It's a big shake up. Not to mention what did Soviet times do to Estonia as well?
>>519928996Yeah that's my point. The Irish adopted a Germanic language, doesn't make them Germanic. Hungarians did the same with Hungarian but it was so long ago, people don't really see a distinction. But if you look at genetics, it's clear the ancient Hungarians were mostly Iranid and Turkic genetically, with very little Uralic genetic material. And modern Hungarians have basically no Uralic genetics, while Finns still have like 60%. The few exotic looking Hungarians today also have Iranid or Turkic genetics, they look nothing like Finns. But they look a lot like Tatars.
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>>519928872Modern Iran was populated from Pakistan, 1200 years agoAll original Iranians escaped to either central Europe or Russia
>>519928438Dene-Caucasian is a VERY controversial theory. Might be explained by ancient sprachbunds.
>>519929364So modern Iranians are Zutts? Based.
>>519929109I think at the end of the day it makes only so much difference. Estonians are fundamentally just mostly Baltic anyway and Baltic ancestry could have been present in Finland even 3000 years ago.Anyway, a while back there was a genetic study about Tavastians from Pälkäne(in the southeast of Pirkanmaa, close to the core of old Tavastia). They lived mostly 500-1000 years ago, and they weren't homogeneous. Most of them were pretty close to East Finns even if not identical but some were similar to SW Finns or more western because of recent admixture. I think it more or less proves that Tavastians were originally not like SW Finns, and it probably also means East Finns come mainly from Tavastia.
>>519929136You're right, the difference was policy and language attrition was largely the death of Gaelic while Hungarian adopted much Turkic especially Oghur and Alan vocabulary, the latter a more natural and amiable conclusion.
>>519929518Savonia was a contact point between Karelia and Tavastia, so of course it had people moving in both directions. Savonian is a Finnic creole dialect of Western and Eastern origins. They are always the butt of jokes in this country. People seem to be blaming them for the supposed "genetic burden" in this country as well, seeing as they were a low population slash'n'burn farmers/colonists who mixed with whatever forest folk that lived there previously (Saamis). Idk why people have strange ideas about Karelians. They seem to have higher than usual Western Steppe ancestry. They were described as darker haired, tall and somewhat more jovial and animated than most groups - basically nothing like people assume.
>>519930284People think Karelian = lakupiippu Timo Soini, even though it couldn't be further from the truth (Soini surname means Sven actually).
>>519929518>East Finns come mainly from TavastiaSouth Finns even more so
>>519930284>>519930360When people talk about East Finns they really mean Savonians and although it is true they are an East/West mix, they also have some additional Saami ancestry plus a ton of inbreeding.Karelians in the Finnish sense(Finnish tribe of Karelians) descend from Tavastians who moved there to a large extent. They did mix with some other peoples but who they were is not known. The genetic differentiation with West Finns is still much lower though.For example on this maphttps://geneviz.aalto.fi/genetic_ancestry_finland/people in Lappeenranta are 59% Savonian-like and 41% Southwest Finn-like.The people who live or lived further out east in places like Suojärvi, Petroskoi that call themselves the "Karelian people" etc don't descend from Finns in such an obvious way even if their language is half based on Finnish, half based on Vepsian.
>>519931094Even today the region of Southern Karelia is more western-shifted than anything Savonian.
>>519927191>comparing a lineage that split as early as 40-50000 years ago before there was even a distinction between west and east eurasians with a lineage, N1c-TAT, that around than 5000 years ago was still in China/Mongolia
>>519928691Nooo! We finns are stronk Mongolian! You are the weak europeans!TUVAN Blood flows in our mongol steppe veins!
>>519931358EHG and ANE cluster more towards East Eurasia than Finns. Yamnaya do too. You need a lot of WHG and ANF to cluster in such a West Eurasian way as Finns.
>>519926184Russians look less Uralic than they do btw. As to why, it's mainly an internet propaganda thing. IRL most finns love Russia as they used to go there to buy booze, groceries, cigs, and gas on the cheap, in fact, most towns in eastern binland are lobbying the government to reopen borders with Russia.
>>519926184Fins don't like anybody.Not their naighbour.Even themselves.
>>519931721>IRL most finns love RussiaLol, no.>binland are lobbying the government to reopen borders with Russia.Source? I could not find any news, only news that they are extending the border closing for another year.T. Pablo from Brazil Oblast
>>519927398mummies in china were found to have blond and red hair sames as in egypt. IMO the scythians extended far and beyond what we consider normal in Eurasia so much so that their kugans can be found way past the urals. Scythians were based. The Ainu in Japan are also taller, stronger and have full beards.. It's quite likely the original aryans over millenia lost the unity of their empire as it was too big and just married with the pajeets and asian aboriginals and got mixed into oblivion.
>>519932071Except me!
>>519928626Once again I ask to stard a Yamnaya warrior gigachad cloning program using genetic technology. Russia could become the perfect warrior society with superior genetics of ancient conquerors and extinguish the jews.
>>519931710but it's not east asian ancestry, it's two things, one, you are putting the cart before the horse, they "cluster" east because they contributed as much as 50% of the ancestry of native americans, so a PCA is going to reflect that, but not because they have east asian ancestry, but because eastern population have ANE ancestry and two, because they have some very early east eurasian ancestry, which is even more divergent than the split between e.g proto-indians and proto-chinks and proto-jomon
>>519931962I just live in Brazil anon I'm originally from Petersburg. Tourists from Binland were common my whole life. Mannerheim himself had a debt of gratitude towards Russia.. the problem is that all your elites today suck swedish cock who do hate Russians bc of Poltava and the cucking of their empire.
>>519932316Everyone knows Steppeoids and ANE cluster closer to East Asians even if there are zero Native Americans on the PCA, this is because ANE is a mix of ancient East Asians and Aurignacians, much more Onge-related than IUP-related.
>>519932242ööööååäähttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2lnxs_DMUDk&pp=ygUfYWx0YWkga2FpIC0g0LrQsNC5INC60L7QttC-0L3Qs9IHCQkGCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
>>519932549they are not east Asians, are Tasmanian Aboriginals also "east Asians" because they "cluster"(pseuds love this word) east? do you understand what 50000 years of divergence are like?
>>519932316You adopt this position because it's convenient, not because it's inherently true. P1 might have split off from Azn source populations as late as 30k BC, the ANS samples from Yakutia being only a few thousand years younger than that and looking like a fresh mix. That's already enough for East Eurasian drift, some 15k years worth of Asiatic evolution.Although EHG are not an extent population and Finns ironically also have the most of it anyway, it's a comparison between a lot of shared ancestry with East Asians from +30000 years and and a smaller amount of shared ancestry with East Asians from about 9000 to 15000 years ago. Make of it what you will, but at the end of the day your Basal Eurasian shit isn't that great either. Middle East and Southern Italy are full of sodomites, why?
>>519932750I'm reporting basic facts but the problem is that you are genuinely clueless and illiterate people and you are also projecting immensely, since you are the one trying to pretend N1c in Finns is even vaguely comparable to P1
This thread is more Autistic than I am...
>>519931962forgot the links.. it's just a google search way anon. The current border states costs binlans almost 1billion euros oer year.https://voima.fi/artikkeli/2025/turistien-sijaan-tuli-aita-ita-suomessa-odotetaan-luvattua-valtion-tukea-elinkeinoelamalle/https://yle.fi/a/74-20082116https://apnews.com/article/dc5ee6f298f899f1a56db2f76817265f
>>519932564Great Altay Classic.
>>519932727Abos are the products of 50k years of inbreeding and an extra dose of denisovan admixture. The Onge-related ancestry in Tianyuan and ANE is not real Onge but a proxy for ancient East Asians, it didn't lead to modern Andamanese or Tasmanians but it led to East Asians.
>>519933149you are confused about the nomenclature, "east asian" refers specifically to the clade that, to put it bluntly, contains chinks, japs, koreans, mongolians, etc...., what you are dealing with is an early divergent east-eurasian clade, so the very broad clade that contains everything from the aforementioned east asians to tasmanian+australian aboriginals, onge, AASI, even populations that ended up in paleolithic Europe like Oase, Ust Ishim, Bacho-Kiro, etc.... so we're dealing with some proto-Eurasian population that lived likely close to the early hub of dispersal
>>519932931Of course it's comparable and the haplogroup itself is relevant for tracking migrations and dating admixtures it's not what's the main issue here.The East Eurasian heritage in ANE and EHG is what's essential. I don't deny that it's an older type which doesn't have as much East Eurasian drift, but it's still undeniably East Eurasian. No one's trying to argue that jeet Aboriginals or Australian Aboriginals aren't East Eurasian because they diverged early.Let me guess, you also think the Arabic heritage in gay pedos from Sicily is also "qualitatively different from Syrians"?
>>519933360>Of course it's comparableyeah no point in even reading the rest, completely pointless
>>519933381It forces an East Eurasian shift on a PCA. Finns on the other hand are forced in the opposite direction due to other admixtures, for example WHG-rich HG ancestry.
>>519933381>>519933508Also I take it you're a Pan-Arabist from Naples since you refuse to denounce Southern Italians for having Arabic bloodlines. That puts your Semitic kvetching in a context.
>>519933607this might surprise third world minded petty provincial nobodies like your kin but I don't deny the recent genetic admixture with the near east, some people aren't constantly trying to cope with reality like an indian or balkanite, the fact that you bring this up is a beautiful confession that your mindset is entirely politicized, you don't care about the truth
>>519933335Bacho-Kiro, Ust-Ishim and Oase are earlier branches than the ANE formation event and didn't mix into it, at least not in form that wasn't mixed with majority East Asian ancestry. The Tianyuan-like ancestry in ANE is also the East Asian ancestry branch in modern Chinese and Koreans etc. which the Onge, Papuans and Aboriginals do not have, the part that makes them modern East Asians.
>>519933854I acknowledge that carriers of haplogroup N1c were a near-outgroup to NE Asians some 10k years ago. Then they acquired small amounts of ANE which included Kostenki UP from Europe, remaining about 90% East Eurasian from a branch close to NE Asians.Then, much later during and after Uralic migrations their NE Asian related ancestry collapsed due to continuous intermarriage with Baltic and Germanic tribes.Furthermore, I acknowledge that Finns now are more West Eurasian than EHG and Proto-Indo-Europeans were. It's the last part that's the problem for you.
>>519934231none of what you said corresponds with any mainstream reality, at least not when you include relevant population, the eastern ancestry predates the formation of the proto-east asian cluster and this is corroborated by the age of divergence of P1 as well as its phylogeny
>>519934391the problem is conflating things, "east eurasian" = 50-60k years old, give or take, megacluster, while Uralic ancestry is related to a very very specific east Asian population that arrived west less than 5000 years agoit's like me saying that you and me are more or less middle eastern anyway by conflating the earliest carriers of IJ into Europe together with early west Eurasian ancestry with the MENA ancestry we Italians specifically got 2000 years ago it's dishonest
>>519934519Model missing populations, northern and southern East Asians are separated from Onge by the sharing of Tianyuan-like ancestry (which is the closest to what ANE has).
>>519926184Identtiy disorder
This looks like a Finn, not a Ruskie.
>>519935224She looks Nordic tbqh. Suomi still has a sizeable Swedish demographic which is politically dominant.
>>519934860The East Eurasian in ANS/ANE is regardless of precise definitions an outgroup to West Eurasians all the same and must always be excluded from it. It can not get honorary West Eurasian status, sorry there is no such thing.West Eurasian itself is a partially esoteric concept because of Basal Eurasian, but a good rule of thumb is similarity to WHG.
>>519935168something Tianyuan-ish contributes to both, but it's not THE east Asian cluster, which forms from a major southern/coastal route contribution, that's key, like you wouldn't call middle-eastern = basal Eurasian, even though the latter is one ingredient
>>519935358well yes that's the point they are slavic / scandinavian mixed mutts
>>519935359Your parameter only really applies to the Baltic Finns in particular, they themselves have large amounts of Scandinavian substrate ancestry. When you look at peoples like the Moksha they have significant Scythian, Proto-Hellenic and Gothic ancestry though their language is distantly related to Finnish.
>>519935358Stop baiting you autistic retard. Looking Nordic and being a Fenno-Swede have nothing to do with each other.I've lived in the capital area and I've been in hundreds of busses with Swedish speakers yapping. They never looked any different than Finns.
I don't know nor do I care. What a fucking shitty slide thread once again.
>>519935359again, I can twist it on you; oh you say we Italians have recent MENA ancestry? it's all the same shit as WHG/UHG because that too from the east Eurasian point of view it's all broadly west Eurasian, Q.E.D!again, it's simply gaslighting, muddling the waters, what you have specifically wasn't there in EHG or Yamnaya, it's extra and not pan European and arrived recently, and likewise the recent MENA ancestry we have isn't simply EEF let alone WHG "broadly west Eurasian"
>>519935370The East Asian cluster needed Tianyuan to even form, anything out there without Tianyuan is Australo-Melanesian or Negrito. Contrasting those populations that have been verified directly by ancient DNA, the nature of Basal in both its quantity as admixture and its effects on phenotype is still hypothetical since it hasn't been found in pure form, could be something almost as divergent as Ancient North African in which case its amount in modern people is lower, or something more similar to other Eurasians in which case there's more of it in the model.
>>519935753Don't must studies show that north africans did not mix with sicilians?
>>519935551I've clearly struck a nerve, in the media and government Swedes are still held to be better than rural Suomalainen. I think this whole enmity with all things Russian isn't just Soviet atrocities but resentment for the lack of a powerful minority pushing them down and essentially forcing Suomi to be Nordic despite their political "Independence".
>>519935858there is a tiny bit of nafri ancestry in Sicily, but most of our recent MENA ancestry is from the east, basically Hellenistic Anatolia/Syria, Cypriots are a good modern proxy for this sort of contribution
>>519935470Slavic is a bit of a stretch.
>>519926184It's likely due to the fact that after centuries of subjugation, we want to distance ourselves from them. And since Russia is such a big country, one that stretches far beyond the uralic mountains, the fact is that there are plenty of Russians who have Asian features. That said, it's not a common sentiment, to make fun of Russians as Uralics. In fact, I think it's far more common to jokingly refer to Finns themselves as "mongolians", even if that's not exactly mainstream either. You know how in whatever town you're from, people joke about people from the otherside of the town? Or those from the other side of the river? Or the next county over? Or about the people from that one specific city in your country? Or from your neighbouring country? It's that. Whether you're friendly with them or not, there's always that certain type of humoristic "animosity" towards people that are "different" due to being from elsewhere. The most common joke in Finland is about how gay the Swedes are. This, despite the fact that +90% of Finns have no problem with Swedes OR Gays. Similarly, the Swedes don't have problems with us, but they call us all depressed alcoholics. We call Russians depressed alcoholics. There's always something to joke over when it comes to your neighbours. But with Russians, it's taken a different dimension of its own, because history has taught us to be vary of them. Historically, Russians have been the aggressors and warmongers that are a threat we should keep at an arms length. That's why it's more common to be more cynical about them when you're jokingly referring to them, and that's also why you want to distance yourself from them. Again, we don't often refer to them as "Uralic" per se, but when we call them names it's done while knowing our history, and there's always a hint of something deeper. They may be "Uralic" because they're far away from us. Not by distance, but by ideology, values, politics and religion. They're not like us.
>>519926184Because Russians actually look like that, and Finns don't.
>>519935753ANE is not Pan-European either. I mean, you could argue that some WHG had noise-level admixtures of it but that's not meaningful since others didn't.>oh you say we Italians have recent MENA MENA is a mulatto of West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian(with some ANE too, sometimes a lot even) and you can cherish the West Eurasian part if you want, it's not my concern how Italians self-identify but yeah you guys are pretty tight with the Levantines.>what you have specifically wasn't there in EHG or YamnayaSure, and the WHG-shift in Finns wasn't there, in Yamnaya especially in the same quantity.All I'm saying is, look at the big picture. Look at PCA. That's where reality lies. You can create Semitic logical constructs around qualitative admixtures with intrinsic properties but this is Kabbalah, not strictly biology.
>>519935716Eipä ollu, kerrankin me ollaan langan aiheena polilla, ja sä päätät vetää itkupotkuraivars about it kutdn mikäkin homoseksuaaliFor op, the real answer is low self esteem, especially our elites fear if they need to do their own choices, easier to go behind Russia, Soviet Union, EU, Nafo, and all such faggogry. It just do be like that mr stancil, simple as
>>519931721>let me tell you about your country>t. subhuman shitskin apeYou don't know anything about any place beyond the 100 square foot radius of your home in the favela you have never went outside in your life.
>>519926184Many such cases
>>519936099I just think it's potentially a needless wedge, you aren't Slavic, that's a given, but many Udmurts, Maris and Izhorians (Of who I suspect Putin is Izhorian to a large extent) suffered terribly under a Non-Russian leadership in their attempts at navigating their Uralic existence in a Communist Slavophone State. I think Sweden fears a Finland in communication with Estonia and Volga Ural peoples outside of a Western Nordic paradigm.
>>519932750All just nonsense theories because in reality the only rare Finns with any asian admixture are descendants of those who mixed with Saami in the past 500 years.Before that, Finns have always been 100% indigenous Nordic DNA, and still today vast majority are.The Saami DNA must be removed from our gene pool through the creation of a national DNA sample database of citizens and sterilizations of racially polluted individuals.
>>519936484This is just mental illness...
>>519936369En mä mitään raivareita kyl oo vetäny, se on sun pään sisälläs se raivari lol. Tosi tärkee aihe hei ja tosi tärkee kysymys!!!
>>519935358Fenno-Swedes are converted Finns. The Swedes weren't interested in women, and didn't leave behind major genetic lines.
>>519936484Ylistier
>>519936565This proves the Nordic model for Suomi is flawed and arguably harmful to the people.
>>519935358You foreigners are so obnoxious. Finns are Nordic and blonde hair and blue eyes literally originate from ancient Finnish I1 haplogroup people. That is the innate, inherent appearance of Finns.Finns have the highest rate of both traits of any group in the world. This would not be possible if it came from any outside group into Finns.>>519935470There is no slavic admixture in Finland at all apart from the 4% or so of recent slavic immigrants and refugees.>>519935881Because you're a subhuman clueless retard with zero understanding of Finnish or any Nordic countrys genetics, history, culture or anything at all, yet you feel like an expert because you consumed 10 images on the internet.What are you even on about now, starting to talk about Fennoswede influence in politics? Thats not related to the population genetics. Extremely close to 100% of the population are pure Finns and yet look identical to Swedes. Zero Scandinavian ancestry, yet the same. Because that is how pure Finns look.Finally, that small minority that are mixed with Saami asiatics exist just as well in Sweden and Norway, its not in any way specific to Finland. Here are examples of Scandi countries people who look like that because their ancestors mixed with Saami.
>>519936895Mate you are literally slavic eskimo mutts. The only nordic contribution in your DNA is due to swedes getting drunk and raping the eskimos hundreds of years ago.Even Italy is whiter than you kekw
>>519936544What is? Facts? Reasonable political ideals? What are you on about brown eyed anglomongrel?Speak clearly and with purpose when you address your superiors.>>519936617Our ancestors sterilized the mutts, its pathetic that you don't see the importance of doing it. Its necessary for any White nation for the sake of protecting racial hygiene.
>>519936895>We are Nordic reeeeLOL
>>519936544>mental illnessYou struck a nerve here. Many loud Finns online seem to have mental problems, I'd guess they are alcoholics and unemployed. It's seriously concerning how fucking mentally ill the whole Finnish internet-sphere is, it's mostly trash and schizos.
>>519936979There is literally no slavic admixture in Finns at all. You are retarded and clueless, but I'm not surprised since Denmark has the worst education of all Nordic countries.Finnish DNA is the very origin and basis of Nordic DNA. The I1 haplogroup people that spread blonde hair and blue eyes across Scandinavia, set out from and originated from southern Finland. And Finns have the highest % of this DNA of any group in the world. Which is why we have significantly higher rates of blonde hair and blue eyes than you do. Because you are polluted with some Indo-European brown haired/brown eyed trait blood as well. You are essentially downgraded Nordics while Finns are how Nordics in all of our countries areas were 40 000 years ago.>The only nordic contribution in your DNA is due to swedes getting drunk and raping the eskimos hundreds of years ago.Swedish ancestry is a tiny minority in Finland, and Saami ancestry even tinier. Both together amount to a small minority, overwhelming majority are pure unmixed Finns yet look like the best of Swedes in Sweden.You are obviously jealous, I get it. After all your countries have far more of those mutts like in this image >>519936895I've only ever seen one or two like that in my life in Finland, while in your country they are everywhere because you have not protected racial hygiene as well as Finns have.
>hello Sirs fellow huwhyte race peepol
>>519937249>blablablaYeah whatever you say mini Ivan with slanted eyes KEKW now go on your knees and beg the swedes for more white genes so you can LARP better
>>519937124Yes, scientifically and historically Finns are the origin of Nordic DNA.Indo-European DNA is a foreign pollution into Nordic DNA. You do realize the Aryans were brown haired and brown eyed, right? I guess you have to cope about it as a Germ since you are 30% Aryan, 30% Celtic, 30% Slavic, 10% Med mutts and have no genuine racial identity left anymore. Most of you look like Serbs.
>>519936895That pic pretty much debunks Nordic supremacy Hitler would have killed himself a lot earlier if he'd seen it
>>519926271The more you move to the north you can notice mongol blood, but down south they look more europeanToo bad they mass import niggers tho
>>519936895Denmark had no Saami so unless the Danes in your pic have recent Eskimo ancestors from Greenland I'd say the look is derived from steppe through Corded Ware.
Ebinfags have more right to Canada than Burgers
>>519937345>seething this hard at scientific factskekThe insecurity of Scandis is unsurpassed, even by niggers
>>519936895Most Scandinavians have Asiatic/Mongol blood.
>>519937431yeah sure thing bro we can all pretend that fins dont have slanted eyes if it triggers you KEKW
Why are so many Brits swarthy?
>>519937020I'm blue eyed tho...
>>519926271And that's a good thing
I am PROUD of my Mongolian heritage!The steppe clans shall rise again!
>>519937266You should re-read everything I posted and you might actually learn something. Again the point was those mutts exist in every Nordic country, but they are not pure natives of Finland, Sweden or any of these countries. They have Saami ancestry. I've posted like 4 times the amount of images of "Scandis" who look like that than your example of "Finns" who look like that.Precisely the point, they are Saami mutts and no Finns or Swedes look like it.>>519937355No, it doesn't faggot ass retard. Why are you people so stupid? Its a collage of an under 1/1000 minority in these countries. How many times does it need to be explained to you that they don't represent the majority population anywhere in the north?>>519937378Obviously Denmark does, considering there are Danes who look like they have Saami ancestry.>I'd say the look is derived from steppe through Corded WareOr you know, the past 100 years of people in Europe migrating to each others countries freely? Moron.Spain is fucking 40% actual South American SPICS now because they have allowed their colonies slave descendants to come into Spain.Has nothing to do with the demographics of Europe several centuries ago.
>>519937167I never thought this thread would be so controversial. In truth I expected 3 posts or something.
>>519937606BASED & TRVKE based on Qazaq birthrate!
>>519937655Doubtful. You can even google pics of squinty eyed Irishmen but there were no Saami in Ireland.
>>519937522You can cope as much as you want to make yourself feel better about being from the most irrelevant Nordic country.>>519937482Yeah because I'm totally going to believe a claim made by a random on social media.Considering by my own estimate far less than 1 out of a 1000 here have any such eye structure, "60%" is obviously a false claim.NSDAP also considered Nordic DNA the ideal and wanted to use eugenics to restore Germans closer to the Nordic DNA state.
>>519937703You mentioned Finland. This is going to be national news for the next two weeks.
>>519937576Some Finnish ancestry then, since it originates from us.
>>519937167it's part of a broader pattern, the more historically irrelevant a nation is the more you have these ultra-patriotic types buzzing around grandiose narratives e.g Serb/Balkan wewuzers, Indians and their idiosyncratic out of india cope, etc....
>>519937703Finns like to LARP as white and nordic if you bring attention to the fact that they are eskimo slav mutts with slanted ass chinese eyes, whos only infrastructure was built by the Swedes who colonized them, then you trigger a deep rage and identity insecurity inside of them (The same reason they have such high alcoholism and suicide rates).
>>519937703Must be your first day on the internet. When subhumans like anglos which are polluted by all kinds of filthy, inferior genetics run their mouth at much superior genetic stock than yours, it will obviously anger the people you attempted to anger.
>>519926271And jeets share genetics with Australian aboriginals,Papuans Melanesians and negritos
>>519937887I didn't come to mock them though, I sincerely want to help them get to terms with the fact they can change the present for the better, which they can only do through past acknowledgement.
>>519937887>The same reason they have such high alcoholism and suicide ratesOld news. Alcohol is too expensive for Finns these days, and everyone brave enough to kill themselves already did it.
>>519937874Funny thing is, in total Finland has contributed much more to science and technology in history than Italians have even though majority of Finns contributions have been in the past century. You guys haven't made contributions in like 1700 years, just sleeping on the sidewalk since then, and all the ancient contributions don't amount to much compared to past few centuries of inventions.You're basically no different from Mexicans.
God I wish I had alcoholism but it's all so expensive...Fuck! Alcoholism is awesome! It's the only disease where you get to drink and be drunk!
>>519938004Doesn't matter brother if you bring attention to a mutt being a mutt it will sperg out and attack everything within its vicinity.
>>519937925I'm not even an Anglo... I AM a mutted person. Doesn't mean I can't ask pertinent questions.
>>519937792I once saved a bunch of ugly foreigners with slanted eyes etc. from various countries, but then deleted it all because what the hell, that shit's insecure as fuck. It says a lot when people go through the effort to get at us but we really don't care about most of them. It's like the "I feel bad for you, I don't even think about you at all" meme.
>>519937887You seem really insecure and enraged by the truth that your peoples blonde hair and blue eyes came from us.Reminder that a much larger percentage of your people look like this than any amount in Finland: >>519937431>>519936895
>>519938092It does mean that, you being subhuman means you need to bow your head down and only speak when spoken to by a White. You don't exist in this world to give subhuman talking points to humans. God put you here to be a slave.
>>519937823I probably caused a diplomatic incident trying to stop a world war. Oh well. >>519937847I wouldn't discount it.
>>519926184Finland is weird, they've in recent history produced multiple great warriors, meme, and video games. For a country so small, it's very productive.
>>519937887But they aren't slav, dumbass. They are mostly finnish/baltic (N haplogtoup) and I1 nordic. The N is the chink haplo, not the slavic one. If they had slavic dna they wouldn't be chinks, since slavs are the original aryans and caucasian of course.
>>519938081We are far from mutts. If anything, inbreeding might hurt a bit.
>>519938045q.e.d, I couldn't have asked for a better post to demonstrate mine, complete deluision
>>519936378You are doing the exact same you accuse me of doing Timo. I thought asians had high IQ was it the kilju that killed your neurons? I tould you that you're supposed to put juniper berries inside to kill the methanol.
triggered all the eskimo/slav finn mutt swede rapebabies kekw
>>519938181Hmmm... Who else said this in the 14th century Finland? You have to confront your national past rather than just ape the people who treated you and the Sami like this.
>>519937887stfu and get back to guarding Greenland, like daddy Trump told you to. Oh, and more payment to NATO less chitchat. And next time Daddy Don says "jump", you say "how high" instead of whatever embarrassment you did this time. It's giving me secondhand.
>>519937823Torilla tavataan!
>>519938343You're a shitskin.
>>519938343Every anti-Finnish leftist and POC foreigner throws insults of inbreeding at us. Those are the forces that are most actively hostile towards and want to destroy us. The narrative will never be that mixed POC mutt is bad. You must be a basement dweller who doesn't go out much.
>>519938243>Slavs>original anythingNothing but Balts + minor Iron Age Balkan ancestry and inbreeding in a marsh before a post-Roman expansion.
>>519926184Because they are our uralic bros, self depricating humor is the most finnish type of humor possible, I mean look at Putin for fucks sakes
>>519938067Drinking is overrated af. I'd much rather have bbq, lift weights, work with engines, shoot, have sex and sleep on repeat. No need for alcohol at all as it makes the peepee soft and beer belly is ugly af.
>>519938593Some Suomanons simply take it too seriously and it turns into self-loathing. I am glad you take the high road. I am extremely self-deprecating as I know I am an Autistmutt, doesn't mean I hate myself and want to start a war based on loathing, that's unironically when the banter stops.
>>519938490>Every anti-Finnish leftist and POC foreigner throws insults of inbreeding at usMy gf has the same last name as me
>>519937823>Ukko id
>>519938593Putin's got nothing Finnish about him. He acts like a Chinese emperor who wants to live forever, who hoards wealth and builds palaces for himself and kills anybody who thinks differently. You'll be hard-pressed to find a Finn with such third world mindset. Even though we don't have much we still don't have that "new money" poverty-driven mindset of proving ourselves with bling, that's so typical of Russians. It is getting more common these days, but this influence comes from the US and their niggers rather than Russia.
>>519938777Checked, for sure, it speaks of insecurities which I lack almost entirely when it comes to my ethnicity, if you're comfortable about who you are and where you come from the self loathing doesn't really happen no matter what someone says
>>519938777OP do you call China "中国" everywhere as well? You know you're on an English board you can say "finnish" and "Finland"
>>519938343Kek based Northern Neighbour . I thoroughly enjoyed the finngoloid seethe.
>>519939524Sometimes I call it Zhongguo. Chinese characters are rather cumbersome so I have to make an effort to copy and paste.
>>519939100>Even though we don't have much we still don't have that "new money" poverty-driven mindset of proving ourselves with blingWe have a different type based on some type of strange jealousy/competition urge, for example I put a new terrace on my backyard and the neighbor immediately decided to make a bigger and cooler one than mine next year, I buy a volvo and the neighbor wants to buy a model thats newer than that etc, thats probably just suburbia though
>>519938777We are the homo in the sapiens. Anyone telling you otherwise deserves a punch in the throat.Also, the Mongols never touched a Finno-Ugric woman. As soon as they got to us they realized the mistake and went back.
>>519939633I'm genuinely curious where you would ever need to call China by any other name.
>>519939936Prefer endonyms.
>>519939979Hopefully not irl because I'm already having a hard time not calling you a self-absorbed faggot and I haven't even been talking to you long.
>>519939918Tatars mixed a lot with Mokshas and Udmurts producing both the Qaratays and the Besermans, Besermans are a small minority but a proud yet humble race of mutts who speak a highly Tatarised dialect of Udmurt, just like I am about me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS50W0Giwzs
>>519940180
>>519940132Not self-absorbed, just obsessive about certain things.
>>519940237I highly recommend Beserman cuisine, very hearty! Always making thick Pancakes just like their neighbours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG0mhtxCd_8
No one looks like this
>>519940590I look like that
>>519940590Main issue with the so-called phenotype categories: some people in the composites are fat and others aren't. If everyone had the same body fat percentage it would be more accurate, and also not skew it in the direction of ugly and prettier.
>>519940590that's some lakupiippucomposite, real finns wuz israelites and shiet.
>>519940590literally me (im white)>>519940749me too (im white)
>>519940914I know many Finns were taken as slaves by the Crimean Tatars as were Circassians to be sold to the Ottomans and Mamluks, it's not outside the realm of possibility you are of Finnish heritage.
>>519926528are you saying the is material evidence of Korean Finnic war?>>519927221Waz changz and shit
I love finbros i feel at home in Turku when i visit, but 90% of finflags on pol is vpns
>>519942205Turku = Türkıstan of the North.
>>519936099Mä joka päivä töitä teen. Joka ainoa aamu seitsemäksi meen. Sen kaiken teen mä siksi vain. Koska kulta sä jaksat olla mun omanain.
