>meta analyses Literally a meme in the scientific community because you can select the sample.
>>519941706well its hard to get smarter if any new science discoveries go against your beliefs so you have to deny it
>>519941706
>>519941859Science has no discoveries, only theories and models of reality that have not been disproven yet. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand science.
>>519942192who is this jewess casting spells of seduction, begone with her
>>519941706>same guy>same thread>again>forever
>>519942448>Science has no discoveries, only theories and modelsNever forget what the Theist is
>>519942516She's an atheist, and atheists call out the theist.
>>519942192Hey baby
>>519941706Why do you have Herpes again?
>>519941706It's also a prerequisite for the LGBTQ+
>>519942902No. Midwits bicker about definition. Enlightened people bicker about semantics.
>>519942448>only theories and models of reality that have not been disproven yetThe only reason most of the crap these days hasn't been disproven is because the theories and models they are untestable and unfalsifiable.
>>519943054>ladyboy Gook thinking about his clients Woops
>>519943061All the fag letters combined don't hold a candle to how gay it is to get on your knees for a 2000 year old dead Jew and tell him you're sorry you were born evil.
>>519941706good on you for trying, religious people can be extremely hard to reach to, and the religious people on 4chan are just another breedthe never understood the point of the sticky.
>>519943218STDs is a result of a Sin. Lust is one of the Deadly Sin.
>>519943420Tell us how you blaspheme Jesus by worshipping and idolizing yourself while making fun of Jesus
>>519943523I do not worship myself. I worship the almighty God.
>>519943581>I do not worship myself.
>>519941706this is cool and all, but does not tell us anything about the real problem of grifters pretending to be religious, such as most people on this garbage board
>>519943581>doesn't deny making fun of JesusKek
>>519943689That's just who I am. The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. That's Me.
>>519941706not believing in evolutuon is a prerequisete for intelligence because niggers are proof they never evolve
>>519943760>That's just who I am. The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. That's Me.>>519943523>Tell us how you blaspheme Jesus by worshipping and idolizing yourselfAnyway, I'm done with you Gook troll
>>519943724Jesus Chridt prophecited my existence.
Why would you even post that
>>519943802I am not done. I have infinite passion for God.
>>519943760>be literal retarded monkey>believe "evolution" is saying you're "god">still doesn't want to only have sex with yourselves as stupid niggers
>>519943760>>519943867Meds
>>519941706No, there have been many intelligent believers. Many believers can think critically, they just don't apply it to their faith beliefs
>>519943894I am the greatest creation of God.
>>519943867Post selfie so that the masses can know their savior, or else you know you're going to be a nigger in the Netflix documentary
>>519943973More meds
>>519941859Most of the so called science was created at the begining of 20th century and was backed by occultism which is connected to understanding god...Go read 137: Jung, Pauli, and the Pursuit of a Scientific Obsession
>>519943973by being a pure blooded monkey nigger, so why disrupt god's intelligent design by trying to act like you're human when you're not?
>>519943977You are not God, you have no say in telling me what to do.
>>519943716>but does not tell us anything about the real problem of grifters pretending to be religious, such as most people on this garbage boardNo need, it's observable in this very thread. Just look at ID SF+ZXYBO
>>519944055There is no god you kike
>>519944054I am the lover of God.
>>519943357>t. slave to his primal urgesngmi
>>519943061There's plenty of gay christians.
>>519944096Meds
>>519944095There is a God, you just have never seen one. Same as Hell.
>>519944096god created you to hate you
>>519941807Sample was most likely religious jews
>>519944147More meds
>>519941706That explains the islamic world.
>>519944154I don't hate myself. I am the lover of God, I love God, and God loves me.
>>519944224More meds
>>519944224god doesn't love all the things god creates you monkey nigger, you're proof that it would've just made god bored if he loved everything he ever made
>>519941706Atheism is a mid-wit ideology. The smartest and dumbest people in the world are almost overwhelmingly religious or at the very least agnostic. Intelligent people are capable of recognizing the values of religion and realize it doesn't really matter whether or not the literal interpretation is true because the philosophy of a community congregating around a shared set of values is worth accepting a prophet existed by divine providence. Also, the constant appearance of these threads are directly related to the Jews' fear of Christianity, because it's the only thing that has scattered the Synagogue of Satan to the far corner of the globe throughout history. Christianity is the only thing the worshipers of Lucifer actually fear.
>>519944357Also meds
>>519941706>Atheism is a prerequisite for intelligencePride does not equal intelligence.The inability to question your beliefs is actually a sign of deep stupidity.Sources: God.
>>519941706>lack of religiousityNot the same as people who refer to themselves as atheists in 2025. Those people are very much religious.
>>519944282God loves only me. God created the world just for me.
>>519944493God doesn’t exist
>>519944524then you won't need ebt, only god
>>519944527Prove it, scientist.
>>519944224too funny>>519944493>Sources: Godsource for god: jewish goat herder made it up
>>519944559I have God, I need nothing else.
>>519944224The theist creates God and hides behind it to shelter its irrational beliefs. It's not my beliefs; it's the god! It just happens to be what I believe too!
>>519944493>The inability to question your beliefs is actually a sign of deep stupidity.The irony of a believer saying this.
>>519944580Source calling God a liar: Memeflaggot liar.
>>519944571You prove it kike
>>519944571Done
>>519944625The irony of a scientist failing to understand this entirely.
>>519944599There is no such thing as man-made creation. Man only know how to consume. Because you are nothing but Void.
>>519944707That's how science progresses. Religion does not
>non religious>are religiousAhahahhahahahaha the absolute state of theism
THERE IS NO GOD AND WHEN YOU DIE THERE WILL BE NOTHINGNESS FOR ETERNITY.
>>519944707>muh books says a thing
>>519944778>That's how science progresses. Religion does notAll you have done is take away the air of mystery from the alchemy you worship.
>>519944853>Muh experts say take the vax.
>>519944654here's my flag retarded muttinb4 comments on the cross on it lmaoreally tho, your bible is just a book of claims made by goat herding jews living in primitive times>>519944571holy shit please learn to think critically.
>>519944866>All you have done is take away the air of mystery from the alchemy you worshipYou mean when you use the God of the gaps argument lol
>>519944907Many experts said not to as well
>>519944436Not wrong, though. There's a reason reddit was a lightning rod for atheism. Atheism is mit wit bullshit. Everybody above the 60th and 40th percentile of intelligence is either religious or agnostic. Jews have spent 2000 years trying hang their kippah in our coat room, but common Christians reject Jews because there is no stronger condemnation of their faith than the New Testament. Christianity is the only force capable of purging the parasite of Judaism. That's why the JIDF tells you to make these threads.
>>519944907Deflection.
THERE IS NO GOD AND WHEN YOU DIE THERE WILL BE NOTHINGNESS FOR ETERNITY
>>519944982>Atheism is mit wit bullshitYou clowns always say this but never back it up
>>519944982>Christianity is the only force capable of purging the parasite of Judaism.2k years later it's still here and bring aided by Christians
>>519945005>muh God not realThen who the fuck is speaking to me here?
>>519945124Take your meds AI kike
>>519945124>Then who the fuck is speaking to me here?Man made LLM. Reveal the prompt you used to generate the response
>>519941706I'll be an idiot and give this thread, which is a spam thread that is repeatedly posted on this board, an illusion of good faith. Just because I want to put forward one thing. Religion largely isn't stupidity. It's a deliberate rejection of evidence in favor of fantasy. It's a violent detachment from reality in favor of a narrative for the sake of personal comfort. "Belief" has nothing to do with intelligence. Religion isn't a sign of stupidity. It's a sign of insecurity and possibly psychosis.
>>519945049>>Atheism is mit wit bullshit>You clowns always say this but never back it upFor example, OP.
>>519945306>but never back it upStill waiting for something beyond your personal feelings
>>519945275Religion is tard wrangling, always has been.Especially regarding women and their simps.
>>519941706Discarding 12000 years of traditional cultural wisdom only to spend all your fertile years trying to "find yourself" does not look very intelligent to me. Atheists are soon going to be extinct again. As they did hundreds of times before. They never learn. Because they never listen.
>>519945275And it isn't unfounded. Because look at the world. Look at the UK.>"HAHA. I don't believe in anything. I am so smart. I have no community and no attachment and I am so smart. And we are so smart. Such smart ubermenschen haha. The heckin Singularity that totally isn't the Rapture will surely happen any day without any effort by me personally!">"That's great. Now attend call to prayer and get on your knees 5 times a day or we'll behead you."Do you see the issue?
>>519943157I don't know about every field, but in physics the fundamental theories on which the modern physics is based upon (such as general relativity and quantum mechanics) are basically already disproven, since they break in cases of high energy density and therefore are obviously incomplete. The problem is that physicists have nothing to replace them with, even after working on it for more than a hundred years, because all the candidates for the theory of quantum gravity that was supposed to fix them and unify them turned out to be untestable as you said.
>>519945275You are projecting what religion would mean to you onto most of humanity but the reality is the interpretation is subjective, so you can't accurately use a blanket definition like that. The common denominator is the tribal congregation to regularly express shared values and support for one another. This is the true value and purpose of religion, a loving community. On top of that the individual can build a philosophy, but that circles back to to the subjective. Yes, some people use religion to reject reality, but most don't.
>>519945049Because they can't. They have all the money in the world and still can't beat reality.
>>519945416Religion CAN be tard-wrangling. But it can also be people actively rejecting the banality of the world and demanding that there be something more to it.
>>519941706atheism says I am related to a banana, it’s impossible to take seriously
>>519945153My God is omnipotent
>>519945833If you are related to a banana God can still exist. God isn't real because of big bang and evolution is a stupid argument because both could still be divine providence.
>>519945833>atheism saysI see, and does this answer to one question say many things about other stuff as well?
>>519945974You're not helping the case by skitzo-posting here, bud.
>>519945833>atheism says I am related to a bananaIt doesn't
>>519945487You are living in a media simulacrum. You have become a caricature of a caricature. You have left the path of the lord long ago. Who are you to look down on anyone? Just another euphoric clown.
>>519946149You think I give a fuck? I can beat all of you in a fist fight, in chess, and in shit posting.
>>519945833Catholicism say that, actually. Evolution is aknowledged as the how, even though we have a surface understanding of it, 99+% of living matter being recycled rather than preserved.Sexual selection, then milieu survivability test.rinse repeat.
>>519941706you got it backwards. intelligence is a prerequisite for atheism, but not all intelligent people are atheists. it is true that all stupid people are believers, but not all believers are stupid people
>>519941706can you name a single accomplishment that atheism is uniquely responsible for? Just one.
>>519946348Bro, atheism is an opinion about God. No one does anything in the name of "atheism"You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is
>>519946348>can you name a single accomplishment that atheism is uniquely responsible for? Just one.Not spending my life worshipping fiction
>>519946468>>519946506All I'm hearing is excuses. The OP has made his point quite clearly:>Atheism is a prerequisite for intelligenceIntelligent people produce, innovate, and achieve. So start naming off some accomplishments.Because the renaissance was orchestrated by men, who despite their blasphemous work into the nature of reality, that credited their discoveries as being part of God's intelligent design.So I say again, you've made the claim. Back it up. Niggers.
>>519946148Posting religious people saying stupid shit like praying fealty to the worshipers of Lucifer does not condemn Christianity. I could just as easily post atheists pissing in each others' gaping assholes and say, "See? Atheists are retarded faggots!" I know that wouldn't be true because there are just as many atheists who are respectable people.If you actually wanted to have a good faith debate of theism vs atheism you'd compare the values imparted by either ideology. For example, I already argued theism offers a doctrine above the individual which compels them to seek community around shared values, and this leads to more love in the lives of the individuals of the community. There is no atheist community. It is a fundamentally individualist pursuit, and as social creatures who rely on each other to adapt and thrive in a brutal changing world, the ideology pales to theism. You don't want to have a good faith conversation though, because you're either a faggot or a shill and these threads are JIDF spam.
>>519947390>All I'm hearing is excuses>I hear what I want to hear Theism 101
>>519947435>If you actually wanted to have a good faith debate of theism vs atheism you'd compare the values imparted by either ideology.Again, you morons have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is.It has no stance on morals or values. It's simply a lack of belief in God or gods
>>519947678>has no rebuttal>slides post I accept your concession.
>>519947678Atheists are dumb.
>>519947435>I already argued theism offers a doctrine above the individual which compels them to seek community around shared valuesYeah, so does Chess club or a fantasy sports league
>>519946155Stop watching Kent Hovind.
>>519941706Yes. Atheism is required for you to stsrt building on top of it with the esoteric and the pagan. Many are stuck in christianity, you will not grow spiritually at all if you're there.
>>519947833>>has no rebuttalOther way around >>519947849You're an atheist
>>519947893Shit, repled to the wrong anon.
>>519947893What does this reply even mean?
>>519947932I literally have seen God.
>>519941706>good morning, Changatheism (noun)athe·ism (ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm)1. a religion that creates their god in the exact image created by the true believer but castrates and makes impotent theirs2. the lamest yet most destructive religion of extremist collectivists of otherwise powerless and typically unlovable moronsRelated: atheist1. a religious zealot that worships an impotent and castrated god 2. a weak minded midwit that pretends they're smart by claiming they don't believe in the same anthropomorphic concepts as the true believer but doesn't understand that by mirror modeling the concept they've merely castrated and made impotent their own version
Atheists haven't reasoned themselves into their primitive superstition, so you cannot reason them out of it. It's a waste of time. Not that it matters in the long run. Bereft of all meaning, of all sense of good and evil, the atheists are castrating their own sons in public for a few minutes of social media attention. The atheist is the end of his bloodline. In one way or another. The problem solves itself. As it did a hundred times before.
>>519948099You're a Gook shit poster. No one takes you seriously
>>519948124Another one >>519947820>you morons have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is.That's why you need to make up a strawman
>>519948146>Atheists haven't reasoned themselves into their primitive superstitionAnother one >>519947820>you morons have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is.
>>519948176Funny. If you have to said it. It means someone must have taken me seriously.
>>519948531>If you have to said itI don't need to say it to be true. It's how you act
>>519948577I don’t need your approval, nor your opinion. You are a worthless cunt compare to GOD.
>>519941807Like how christians select which bible verses to quote directly and which require a subjective interpretation.
>>519948124Wow, I never knew atheism was so complicated. I thought it was a "we don't believe in God" belief because its baseless.
>>519948492Another what? Did your childhood homosex STDs leave you incapable of formulating coherent sentences like a normally developed human?
>>519948706>I don’t need your approval, nor your opinionBoth are irrelevant to you being a Gook ladyboy troll regardless
>>519948768>Did your childhood homosex STDs leave you incapable of formulating coherent sentences like a normally developed human?See>>519948459>That's why you need to make up a strawmanIts amazing how you lot mirror leftist. 2 sides of the same coin
>>519941706>god is non omnipotent cosmic sky rapist that loves suffering and globalhomo>no guys he doesnt exist im le edgy reddit athiest>giving the biggest rapist of all time a pass
>>519948922You have nothing but garbage, and the AI rightfully judged you as a whiny bitch.
>>519948976A simple "yes" would have sufficed, degenerate.
>>519949063All you can do is project >>519949076>play into my strawman. You are low IQ
>>519949152All I did is stating the Truth.
>>519941706lol, https://www.famousscientists.org/great-scientists-christians/
>>519949176Nope
>>519941706It's the opposite. God makes disbelievers dumb.
>>519949267I sure do. Feel free to point out my lie.
>>519949341>I sure do.NopeYou haven't said anything truthful at all
>>519949472Truth is perception, and I said everything according to my perception.
>>519949152>You are low IQCongratulations, that's the longest coherent sentence that you've ever managed to put together. Did you accomplish that herculean task all on your own or did you have to ask mommy for help? Be honest, degenerate.
Ehem..
Hmm
>>519942448most burgers that post here have no idea what the word meansthey use it like it's some kind of godly entity and blindly follow whatever (((scientists))) tell them, even if they were paid to say it, which is ironic
>>519949616Which test can measure an IQ of 276?
>>519949572>Truth is perceptionNope>>519949597>hurt feelings intensifiesWow, you lot are really cry baby bitches lol
>>519949682Answer my question, degenerate.
>>519949768Try being honest and genuine instead of a leftist
>>519949682Hell exists, so as God. You simply have never seen it. If you do, you will surely not remain a garbage cunt that you currently are.
>>519941706no
>>519949838>Hell exists, so as GodI don't believe you
>>519941706Intelligence is the only prerequisite for intelligence.Move along, confused soul.
>>519949879Pluck your eyes out, and the world will still exist.
>>519949927You're contradicting yourself again Gook ladyboy
>>519943357Christians don't shoot white children at school, faggot atheists do
>>519944357For people who don't believe in god Atheist let it live rent free in there head
>>519950012What's the contradiction? You are dumber than the AI, and I will make it judge you. More fun that way.
>>519941706>Atheism is a prerequisite for intelligenceGiven that up until relatively recently in history it was not possible to be properly intellectually atheist, then the claim that you are making de facto declares EVERYBODY in history prior to, say, the Enlightenment era unintelligent. Julius Caesar was unintelligent according to youAlexander the Great was unintelligentAristotle was unintelligentArchimedes was unintelligentBeethoven was unintelligentMichaelangelo was unintelligentYou get the picture.So absurd is this claim it renders the claimant utterly stupid.That's you. You're the claimant. You are stupid. Utterly Stupid>t. atheist who isn't stupid enough to claim atheism is a prerequisite for intelligence and infer most of history's great minds unintelligent
>>519949879ok, i dont believe that humans existing is a result of random chancewhat now?
>>519950271>What's the contradiction? You are dumber than the AIIf truth is perception then you have no room to tell others their perception is wrong. This is how fucking stupid you really are Gook brain
>>519950348Neither do I. What now?
>>519950351Kiddo he isn't the one editing unfunny memes over a literal who on /pol/Talk about rent free lol
>>519950487>doesn't debate that I'm wrong Kek
Atheist are the most retarded people on the planet.
>>519950605>can't explain why Very leftist of you
>>519948707Such as?
>>519950581>You have to confront my non arguments Lol retard you lost
>>519950351>ifIt is the Truth, if you are in Hell, that will be your entire reality. That's the Truth.
>>519950650Because of people who don't believe in god or religion they let it live rent free in there head. Even i as religious person don't think of god 24/7.
>>519950650Lets begin with something simple
>>519950775>It is the TruthThanks for proving me right then. >>519950836This doesn't make any sense
>>519950880>western EuropeLmao, the muzzles are taking over
>>519950954>muzzlesMuzzies
>>519950954>the muzzles are taking overAnd the atheists are supporting them
>>519950905If atheism is not believing in on god what is your definition of atheism.
>>519951050Sounds like a personal problem then. Has nothing to do with me.
>>519951104Atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods
>>519941706True, so is leftism.
>>519951133>Tries to cast off blameAt what point, statistically do you stop being jewish lapdogs?>Nuthin to du wit meConcession acceptedHave a nice day bottom boy
>>519951337>>Tries to cast off blameHow? >At what point, statistically do you stop being jewish lapdogs?Try less leftist hyperbole in yoir next reply >Concession acceptedKek, meanwhile Islam is taking over You fags are do nothing cry babies
>>519951203That agnóstic retard
>>519951544Nope
>>519951544Agnostic atheism actually
>he's so autistic that he has 1/4th of the posts ITT
>>519947820>>519951203It is not a lack of believe in god it is the idea that there is no god. You the most retarded atheist i ever heard.
>>519951793>how dare you be active in a thread >>519951855>is the idea that there is no god. YThat's still a lack of belief you moron
>>519941706Depends more on -why-.If you are an atheist, because you live in an atheistic society, and have yet to question the principles on which your received worldview is based; then reasonably you aren't likely any more intelligent than some shitskin who believes in ju-ju gods because he was told to.People who have sensations of unwarranted superiority based on their certainty in their own unexamined beliefs, are essentially the same run of the mill dog-fucking retards that comprise the majority in all civilizations at all times and places.
>>519952188This is a good response
>>519941706This is the most retarded thing i ever heard it make me lose brain cell.
>>519953330You're not equipped for these conversations kiddo
>>519953598I am smarter then you at liss i don't fall for this retarded bait. Being smart has nothing to do with being atheist, agnostic of religious.
>>519953933>I am smarter then you at lissThat's demonstrably false lol>Being smart has nothing to do with being atheistThe lack of belief in God or gods does
>>519941859Meanwhile in Science:"Scientific Revolutions happen one funeral at a time."If you've looked at the history of science at all, its basically >Here's a theory that challenges what we know. I submit it for peer review.Peer Review: >That can't be right because it implies we're not right about everything. We're defunding your work and blacklisting you from University labs.>>519952188195th post best post.
>>519955074What you're describing isn't science but politics and money
>>519955239Cherry picking isn't science either. It's just done by almost all professional scientists all the time on pain of losing their job.Interestingly, if you look at all scientific and technological progress, it tracks linearly with GDP growth and political regimes that reward it. The latter is particularly important in explaining why Song Dynasty China didn't reach the industrial revolution in 1100AD.And China was, historically, predominantly atheist. Daoism does the opposite of evangelizing, in that if you think you know the Dao, you're in direct competition with everyone else who does and so the only reason to tell anyone is because you need disciples for menial labor. Buddhism meanwhile was actively suppressed and syncretized since it undermined filial piety. Confucianism is philosophy, not religion.Song dynasty was the apex of Chinese wealth and power. If you'd like to see the enlightened decisions made by a uniformly atheist society, might I direct you to read about the Rape of Jingkang?You won't of course. And I strayed from the topic. So more to the point, what is science if not the institutions that enable it, the people who practice it, or the methodology as it is actually practiced? Is it just a platonic ideal? Platonism is basically a religion, anon. No true Scot-er, atheist, would say a thing exists unless it exists in this world.
the scientific method came from an angel(see: descartes)
>>519956300>Cherry picking isn't science eitherAgreed
>>519949616retarded believing in noahs ark when his own country literally existed from before the supposed flood uninterrupted til todayalso so god damn many logical fallacies itt and every religious thread. x person believe/doesn't believe so it must be true/false lmao
>>519956513So you agree that the argument "Its only science under optimal circumstances that support my view" is invalid, yes?Besides, I was responding to>its hard to get smarter if any new science discoveries go against your beliefs so you have to deny itAnd I think I directly refuted the implication of that claim, since any new science discoveries go against the beliefs of the scientific community.And how very odd that I am using "scientific community" correctly here, and they're even directly referenced as essential in the methodology of peer review- yet you consider this community to be money and politics when its actions are counterproductive. You see why that resembles cherry picking?For all intents and purposes, modern academia is a priesthood (though admittedly, without gods, but not without saints)- and like all priesthoods are primarily concerned with politics with accusations of heresy as their primary weapon. And while technology continues to accelerate at a dangerous pace with private sector innovation (mostly AI), pure science has slowed to a crawl unfortunately.
>>519957533>So you agree that the argument "Its only science under optimal circumstances that support my view" is invalid, yes?Yup
>>519957533>>its hard to get smarter if any new science discoveries go against your beliefs so you have to deny itIs a valid criticism
>>519956690Interestingly, Korea claims descent from exiled Shang dynasty princes of China. The Shang deposed the Xia dynasty, and the Xia received their legitimacy from a man called Great Yu, who saved China from a global flood through hydrological engineering. Yu's father had tried to build a dam, but it collapsed- so Yu instead dredged the rivers. The flood was caused by a war among powerful immortals (god is equivocation here, though often translated as such), in which a defeated "god" shattered the pillar holding up the firmament in an act of spite. Nuwa, goddess who created humanity (but not the world) then patched the firmament with a new pillar made from the Black Tortoise's shell. This was her last contact with humanity, by Chinese lore.Tldr: China also has a great flood myth, and Korean history links to Chinese history around a millennia after that supposedly happened.
>>519952188Facts but the people in this thread are to retarded to undestand that.
>>519956690The theist posts a lifelong conman who shilled a bunch of nonsense before shilling theism; that's the level of failure theism is at.
>>519941706Your statement shows that you are not very intelligent, pal.Religious people are not stupid, but they have psychological barriers that prevent them from questioning dogma. As if it were a matter of psychological life and death.
>>519942516Worse, armenian
>>519958607I don't have to know x or y. I just expose the majority who spend their actual lives as slaves to supernatural delusions and baseless claims. But whatever I am doesn't change the fact you're a nigger?
>>519958985Lolno. Step it up senpai.
>>519954260That retarded anon>>519958607Not 100% true some people are just low iq nothing to do with dogma. But i can see why scientist act like science is a religious dogma.
>>519942619its kosher. christianity threads draw too much heat on jews
>>519958985That low iq you sound like a retard
>>519958607That's true in many cases, though I think the bias is not unique to religion. Politics achieves the same result, especially in academia where ones status in the community is tied deeply to the opinions one espouses.Furthermore not all religions are Abrahamic and imply damnation if you fail to believe. Buddhism doesn't particularly care if you question its dogma (though monks will beat you to death if you embarrass them by demonstrating superior understanding of enlightenment, as many koans praise such martyrs). Most pagan and shamanistic religions also do not care if you question their dogma (and in part that's why they're not dominant in the world today). Yet people still hold such views despite the lack of disincentive.So while your assertion is correct, I think the truth is more nuanced.
>>519959142>That retarded anonYeah, that anon I was replying to is retarded
>>519959452Your the retard not him
Can you please just admit the Jews were right about the satanic homosexual jesus?
>>519959579>Your the retard>yourI don't think so Tim. YOU'RE doing a better job at that than me.
>>519941706somewhat true, christianity is a faith not a religion, it takes higher intelligence to understand the difference which is why religion dominates it.
>>519958609>Worse, armenianNot wrong
>>519956300>Platonism is basically a religionyes it is. it just doesnt conform to the jewish definition for what a religion must be, so jewish slaves are always like: "why isnt it telling me to always pay my taxes or to leave my children unsupervised with pedophiles and allow them to have influence over their minds? it cant possibly be a religion"but it is though. it is *the* religion. thats why all three abrahamic religions leaders hoarded all his works and read them in secret to try to make better sense of their own religions.
>>519959660spelling and grammar errors are makers of class and professionalism, not intelligence. 4chan is not a place for professionalism. This isn't formal composition, and you're a fool if you dedicate the time and effort to do so.For the most part spelling and grammar errors are natural linguistic drift, and school was tasked with trying to stabilize and limit that drift by enforcing unnatural (and inconsistent) latin grammar in the early 20th century public education system. This became obsolete when TV standardized all languages globally, but now that TV is on its way out and being replaced by internet, the linguistic drift is resuming with newfag skibidi zoomie slang.
>>519942448>Science has no discoveries, only theories and models of reality that have not been disproven yet. There in lies the rub.The people who make the theories are the ones who say whether or not their theory has been disproven yet.
>>519960677>spelling and grammar errors are makers of class and professionalism, not intelligence.It's making a joke of the irony with his statement, juxtaposed to the bad grammar. Nuance my friend.
>>519960886> trying to make a joke but i suck at it.
>>519961379It's ok if you didnt find it funny.
>>519960386I agree anon, and hedged precisely to sidestep arguments about definition. I'd more broadly say that belief in any kind of metaphysics is religion- platonist or otherwise. But so long as atheism is defined as "lack of belief in gods" then one can insist on being an atheist platonist so long as the platonic natural law isn't sentient.The thing metaphysical claims have in common is their epistemology. They necessarily believe in something that isn't empirical (derived from the senses). By definition, this must be arrived at transcendentally. Christianity calls this the holy spirit. And the most intelligent of their thinkers understand the entirety of the religion collapses without this transcendental link.
>>519960386Platonism can be developed and refined. Kant can be thought of as a platonist.Platonism argues that there are truths that we know just by reflecting anf thinking about things. We don't need to do experiments to know these.Plato is a lot more intropsective and philosophical than aristotle he's about science and measurment.Aristotelianism proved to be more useful, but platonism is more for personal development.
>>519961463It felt less like a joke and more like a jab for the sake of condescension and status. Especially if that was not your intention, you would benefit from being more self-aware.The biggest enemy to rationality is not the pervasive and ever present lies of society. It is the biases and deceptions you permit in your own reasoning.
>>519961463>>519962040Its not that the joke was funny it was because his bad a joking it was low iq.
>>519962040>It felt less like a joke and more like a jab for the sake of condescension and statusIt's both. Considering he started with an ad hom. >Especially if that was not your intention, you would benefit from being more self-awareMaybe you should be more aware and lurk more instead of trying to be a contrarian
>>519962242>does it againComedy really does write itself it seems Do you have an actual argument or just hurt feelings in the form of baseless ad homs?
>>519941706Doubt is a prerequisite for learning. And faith is the virtue of having a total lack of doubt.
>>519961730Yes, but Kant was a theist. He explicitly stated there is no objective morality without god, and (in classic Kant obtuse fashion) thought this was obvious. And Kant is right. Without metaphysics, moral nihilism is true. All moral claims either resolve to false or to subjective instrumentality- but there is nothing external in the laws of physics (natural law) you can reference that would support them, even in principle.Modern philosophers do, for academic priesthood reasons, insist on finding necessary analytic truths. These are all bullshit, no matter how much they pat themselves on the back (looking at you Saul Kripke). Its a fundamental misunderstanding of mathematics and computation. Those that do understand basically think its a solved problem (Logical Positivists, Bertrand Russel et al) and don't dwell on it. Philosophy professors today are shockingly illiterate when it comes to STEM (though Physicists are shockingly illiterate when it comes to Philosophy). So I guess not much as changed since Plato and Aristotle.
>>519962385> i projecting my self Into others because i have no self awaraness.
>>519962852>Without metaphysics, moral nihilism is true.The truth of the claim depends on whether you think morality needs a metaphysical anchor to avoid collapsing into nihilism. I don't think it does
>>519962925Again>>519962385>Do you have an actual argument or just hurt feelings in the form of baseless ad homs?Well?
>>519941706>Believing in ancient kike and Roman fairy tales with no proof that have exaggerated and non logical crap makes you a dumbass No shit?
>>519963130There is not argumenting with a retard like youn who can comprehend that being smart has nothing to do with being religious or atheist. If you so smart why are you doing in a conservative board in 4chan i thought atheist hated conservative or rightwinger. But you do you.
>>519962258I don't think its possible for me to lurk moar. I may not be an oldfag, but I am literally old and a newfag. At any rate I'm not the one being baited by an ESL.As for being contrarian, I've never saw the purpose in participating in discourse of pure agreement. There's no new information there. Its simply boring. It is especially not worthwhile in an anonymous setting, where one cannot even gain merit by reputation for saying "the right things".>>519962715"In doubting, St. Thomas proved the Resurrection"While your reasoning is internally consistent, it is not what your opponents actually think.
>>519963722>that being smart has nothing to do with being religious or atheist.Never said it did.Your entire seeth is for nothing lol
>>519951530They aren't consciously aware they lose either way. The fembrain yearns for Men to dominate their uncontrollable selves and since Judeo-Christianity wants them to be responsible they unconsciously vote for Islam while pretending Islam won't force the fembrains into the submissive place they know they belong.
>>519941706Einstein believed in God.
>>519963766>I don't think its possible for me to lurk moarThen maybe don't wonder into a conversation where you end up looking like a fool >>519963815Agreed
>>519951595So-called "atheists" have zero clue how fanatically religious they are. Zero clue.
>>519941706These threads have been great, OP…
>>519963952Yeah militant atheist do have a bit of religious zealotry about them. Specially when they buy into gender ideology
>>519963952God live rent free in there head
>>519963722>>519963766>>519963793What is this incessant whining? I swear school-esque bickering never stops.>>519963968>theists rule over youAhaha, even if I was a monkey in a cage about to die, I'd still be more free than a bunch of spergs espousing their baseless claims and methodology.
>>519951203It's not. Sure the typical imbecile thinks thats what they're doing, but in reality they're insisting with burning furious devotion that the model of what God is as defined by their nemesis (the true believer) and after adopting the very same anthropomorphic model they castrate their version. It's the lamest, most plebian stupidity one can imagine. And if you even attempt to point out the model they're refuting doesn't represent God they can't even fathom a modicum of intelligence to begin parsing the info, for they are zealously devoted to their castrated and impotent idol. Verily.
>>519941706isn't the smartest guy in the world religious?
>>519963853Next, you should post someone who remembered who did something using theism instead of just science.Oh, you won't because it never happens.
>>519963968I never undestand atheist obsession with religion for people who don't believe or care about it they let it live rent free in there head?
>>519964700People can be religious and scientist and that break a lot of people brain because they can't think outside the box.
>>519963085And I think you're (mathematically) provably wrong. Though it would be an ambitious undertaking to try and produce that here. I'll see if I can't do so in brief.For objective moral truth to validate, it must meet three criteria.1) It must be objective. It can be context dependent, but it must apply universally for all persons regardless of their own disposition.2) It must prescribe an action. Otherwise we are not talking about morality but something else.3) It is "thetical" and not "hypothetical", which is a technical term I'm inventing here to distinguish it from contingency. For instance if I want to eat I must obtain food. Obtaining food is contingent on wanting to eat. A thing is "thetical" if there is no condition upon which it is contingent, but simply applies in all relevant contexts. "Do not predate on children" should be thetical, and if I say "but I wanna" that is not a refutation. This is the fundamental characteristic morality has that instrumental value does not.The argument is that nothing in natural law satisfies these three conditions. Instinct comes close, but its easily manipulated with priming to get bizarre results that neither inform us nor validate common sense.This is a very serious problem in metaethics, and almost all solutions have centered on abandoning one of the three criteria- which unsatisfying results.
I think that has a lot more to do with the modern concept of religiosity than it does actual intelligence. Also I would be curious about the biases and religious status of the people conducting the study. Meta-analysis is somewhat of a bastard science. And this is coming from someone who has a degree in this field.
>>519964643>It's not.It is
>>519964972>just like let people believe the nonsense broBecause we live in a closed system and they can have great influence over you and detrimental impact on your families lives from their belief acted upon?
>>519950256>>519944107Why do chrstgolems rely on lying and gaslighting to spread their middle eastern mind cancer??
>>519965189>And I think you're (mathematically) provably wrongNope>For objective moral truth to validate,Murdering babies is objectively wrong. Regardless if a supposed "God" said so or not
Science is the study how the natural world works it doesn't or prove god existance.
>>519965189>>519965382Besides, you've admitted to being a moral relativist in other threads
>>519962852religion faces the same problem as the JQ/CQ, it requires multiple disciplines which our sophist society discourages. you must be one thing and one thing only and nothing else. it is looked down upon to have 'expertise' in more than one field. yet to understand metaphysics, theology, morality, and many more related concepts, one must be disciplined in cognitive disciplines unafforded to most people, it requires leaving the cave, in a way. you have to want to want to know. in the very same way it is to grasp the abrahamic psyops and the subsequent jewish, christian and muslim socially engineered behaviors one must have to seek beyond what is afforded to them in order to solve its puzzle. it necessitates autodidacticism, since there is presently no institutional way to learn and that itself reduces the possible candidates by a fraction, those already invested in abrahamism another fraction. logic and critical thinking being the most crucial of what is presently offered.yet there is something truly perplexing about the bible and how it seems to slide right off of most people like teflon. people all seem to overlook that jews have declared an open state of world war against them, and have stated their intentions. they seem to be incapable of differentiating the book as an artistic work with its religious aspects to its actual application to reality. never do they think what it should actually entail, the gravity of it all, how 99% of the world's population will experience suffering only a jew could dream up for the benefit of 1%. whether this is a consequence of nature or nurture, or even both remains to be seen. but id imagine this is precisely why plato was a eugenicist.
>>519941706>religiosityI really don't appreciate it when>religiosityis used as a synonym for Christianity or Islam, as if no other religion exists. If a nigger walks up and asks if I'm religious and I say yes, they automatically assume I'm a Christian. And they consider themselves intelligent.
>>519965369> i have a weak mind i let other people influence me without any critical thought so i got to blame something.
>>519965372Like you atheist don't gaslight as well get out of you moral hight ground and touch grass.
>>519964828Joan of Arc successfully waged and won war with tactics that by all accounts were precognitive, and then did the same at her extensively well documented trial- to the inexplicable frustration of the inquisition against her.It is also non-controversial this was a turning point in history. Without her installing the (weak, incompetent, corrupt) rightful King of France over the (benevolent, educated, secular) French nobles collaborating with the British invasion, there would be no France, no French revolution, no Napoleon, and no European conversion towards democratic parliaments. Possibly no American Revolution either. France as we know it would just be part of the United Kingdom.China also has weirdly supernatural rises to power. Like how Wang Mang overthrew all of Han Dynasty according to a 200 year old prophecy that a man of his name would do so. Then he killed every child by the name of Han Lu because the prophecy said that he would be killed by Han Lu. But then Han Lu survived, led a rebellion as the true heir, faced an imperial army of half a million with only 20k, and a literal meteor struck the imperial army, resulting in victory for Han Lu.This also occurred around the year AD1 in the western calendar. Which Wang Mang inexplicably set to year 1 in his own calendar which was abandoned after he was deposed. Not sure if that counts as theism though, since China doesn't believe gods were involved per se. They just didn't have a rigorous method to sort superstition from natural law.
>>519966296It's like people can commit logical fallacies regardless or religious preference
>>519965296As noted previously, you're religiously devoted to defining what God is using the very model of your nemesis. Consensus is one of your gods too. It's just that you're currently incapable of understanding what I'm pointing at, mosty because of your utter devotion to your gods, the impotent castrated version you stole from your nemesis and your goddess Consensus, and there's others that you're devoted to as well.
>>519966488But atheist are so brainwash by there own dogma and selfishness they can see that.
>>519966490>you're religiously devoted to defining what God isIncorrect. I usually ask someone timeliness God when they make the claim.but considering it's mostly Christians then it becomes obviousBut on a macro level, "God" is just man's subjective interpretation
>>519966619>atheist are so brainwash by there own dogmaWhat "dogma"?
>>519966654>timelinessTo define*
>>519965523That would be a strange thing to admit considering I'm not.>>519965382>murdering babies is wrongWeirdly, most people globally disagree. Both because women and because China. But in neither case because of a well reasoned argument besides "well its normal so I'm gonna do it". At any rate, you're welcome to contend with the argument I provided. I believe its called Mackie's argument (or is it Macky? I can't remember its been over a decade since I was in college).>>519963911>where you end up looking like a fool"The Oracle said he was the wisest of all the Greeks, for he alone knew himself to be a fool"
>>519966899>That would be a strange thing to admit considering I'm notThen why did you in another thread?>>519966899>>murdering babies is wrong>Weirdly, most people globally disagreeDoesn't matter. As you said yourself >>519965189>but it must apply universally for all persons regardless of their own disposition.>>519966899>At any rate, you're welcome to contend with the argument I provided.I did. You failed on your first point
>>519941706posted a whopping 30 times in 20 dayshttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518643123/holy fuck that site is dead nothing but bots and paid spam
>>519941706Then why is it that the top percentile 0.00001% of IQ holders are 100% religious? Atheism seems to be the midwits choice.
>>519941706This is true but (prog)regressivism is just another form of religiosity based on fantasies and apocalyptic visions etc.
>>519941706so it is just a single anon making these threads every day, huh? pretty crazy. sad motherfucker.
>>519965547Not entirely sure of your thesis, but your assertions seem legit. Being multidisciplinary not only requires you be an autodidact, but also that you have the time and resources to do so. If you toil, there is little time for contemplation and study. Well known strategy used by cults and communist dictators alike.I agree the way society treats scripture is perplexing. The Quran directly contradicts the Gospels, yet also insists both are infallible. Through most of Christian history, people were too illiterate to read the bible and the Roman Catholic church discouraged them from doing so- precisely because once they did we end up with a sea of denominations that lowers the credibility of all of them. Though my grandfathers generation supposedly had considerably widespread biblical literacy and assumed this of commonfolk. I haven't devoted decades of study towards interpreting scripture (as many have), but my take is that the Gospels are an attempt to deprogram people from a society that kills you for questioning it. Much more emphasis is given on how problematic the Jewish priests are than pop culture ever let on ((I wonder why?)). Its still chained to the old testament, but it more or less succeeded at its mission, and it did change the game theory cooperation for the entirety of European civilization. Pagan and Mediterranean civilizations do noticeably operate differently from Christian ones.
Why "intelligent" people cannot make a better Europe/US than Christianity but just shit everything up with jews on top importing 1 billion brownoids, proping troons and dumb women and high taxes and inflation?
>>519968077>but my take is that the Gospels are an attempt to deprogram people from a society that kills you for questioning itBut then turns around and tells you not to question scripture, which is really another form of society.So really scripture tells you to question everything else but scripture
>>519968077>precisely because once they did we end up with a sea of denominations that lowers the credibility of all of them. Though my grandfathers generation supposedly had considerably widespread biblical literacy and assumed this of commonfolk.Cute, but Protestant Europe outperformed Catholic Europe. The RCC leaves stagnation and corruption in its wake.
>>519968005What productive discourse would you prefer anon?>>519967081>Then why did you in another thread?This is the only thread I've posted in today. Is my ID being reused? This is puzzling.Anyway, I think you fail to grasp the metaethical problem- which is unsurprising as short posts are not really sufficient to convey it.What is compelling women to care? What information does "This is moral truth" actually convey? To them, nothing. You're not communicating anything. THAT is the problem. You can blame it on them, but blame solves nothing, and so as a philosopher you've contributed nothing. Natural law does not reinforce your assertion with any consequence they find compelling, which means moral nihilism is true. The natural world is indifferent to their crime.
>>519969003Let's talk about Jews
>>519969003>This is the only thread I've posted in todayI didn't say it was from today. >Anyway, I think you fail to grasp the metaethical problemYou didn't pose one. You demonstrated that you failed on your first premise.
>>519968474Yes, and? Judaism persists memetically because it has an immune system to repel invaders. Christianity is a memetic virus that hijacks these defenses in order to reprogram the host. But it should not surprise you the defenses still remain in a viral approach. It is why Jesus presented it as a "new covenant". For those caught in such thinking, "my god will beat up your god" will never work. But "your god has changed his mind, and if you get it wrong you're fucked" absolutely will.Unfortunately it also works for Islam, which just doubles down on the psycho bullshit. >>519968773If you consider outperformed by Jewish metrics of GDP and decadence, then yes. Atheism is stronger now than it has ever been in history, so by Christian metrics I think that's quite a dismal failure. Blaming Jews for this is as pointless as blaming Satan (and my how evangelical protestants constantly profess belief in the awesome and pervasive powers of Satan).But that is the most I can defend the RCC, and you're quite right that they're foremost a political body and all the corruption that comes with it. And Protestantism happened at all because of the profound corruption they fostered.
>>519970437>Yes, and?Trading one set of chains for another
>>519941807>>519941859This only applies to Christianity and Islam, the religions for retards. Someone needed to say it.
>>519970948Yes, and? Can you do better? How many Muslims has your brand of atheism converted? Not 0, I'll give you that, but also not setting any records. Now ask how many formerly atheist, western arabs have joined ISIS and radical Islam? A concerningly large number, by comparison. Not just Arabs either- tons of Chinese and Filipino converts as well. I think Indonesia might have the most Muslims globally- if not Pakistan.Christianity does, if nothing else, immunize one from that particular flavor of pedophilic warlord dogma. As you said, one set of chains for another, but not all chains are equal. And the unchained can take up chains at any time.
>>519971785>Yes, and? Can you do better?Yeah, perosnal responsibility
>>519972603Clearly the metric I meant was in how many people you convince. Personal responsibility might suffice for yourself, but you still live in a mostly Abrahamic world (and soon to be mostly Muslim world as both Christian and atheist birth rates are in free fall). When you're subject to Sharia law under penalty of death, who then will you tell of your personal responsibility?
>>519972869>Clearly the metric I meant was in how many people you convinceI don't care about convincing anyone to because an atheist >Personal responsibility might suffice for yourselfYup, lost 125lbs too
>>519941706I read that as autism and i couldnt agree more
>>519941706Midwits and their science
>>519973138>I don't care about convincing anyoneThat's a very young person mistake to make. It seems beyond your power, so you don't trouble yourself to take responsibility for what society does. But what society does is determined by those who muddy their hands in both politics and rhetoric. And what society does will significantly impact your life eventually if it hasn't already.
>>519973934>That's a very young person mistake to makeI'm 40 dude. No need with this nonsense >It seems beyond your powerWhat "power"?>so you don't trouble yourself to take responsibility for what society doesI'm not responsible for what others I have nothing to do with, do.Is that really hard to understand?
>>519973843Theists and their conmen who feed them whatever they want to hear. Don't worry; you get shit when you're dead, yea?
>>519972786The Epstein list isn't coming, pedo theists remain at large.Good to see atheism top of pol new thread coming soon!
