Should I get my kids baptized? I saved their foreskins from the Jews. Is it worth splashing water on their head to save them from hell? Or is it another Jewish trick?
>>519964496And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus
>>519964496>Is it worth splashing water on their head to save them from hell?Ask yourself that retarded fucking question again and you will sense the true answer.
>>519964496It's based.And consider this:If it really is merely a powerless human ritual, it did no harm, unlike circumcision.
>>519964496How did that go down?Did the doctors give you shit and send you to CPS?
>>519964496>holy waterPeople really are this dumb.
>>519964871It could be dangerous if you are trusting in it to save you. For instance, some teach that we receive grace for our sins when we are baptised with water. They are therefore putting their hope in the water baptism, when asked why they will be let into heaven they will say because they were baptised with water. Such people may not inherit the kingdom of God. This is a false Gospel akin to what is spoken of in Galatians where the Judaizers were trusting in their circumcision in addition to Christ. Galatians 5:2-6 teaches that if we put our hope in anything else in addition to Christ, He will be of no benefit to us, and therefore we will be without hope. This is because we are saying that His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to pay for our sins and boasting in other things as well to save us. What should we boast in?Galatians 6:14: God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.Romans 4 also explains clearly that we are justified by faith before we obey. Not after, but before. Therefore how could our salvation be dependent on obeying the call to get the water baptism?We should get baptised in water, but only after we come to saving faith. It is an act of obedience. In Acts 10:44-48 the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit when they hear and accept Peter's preaching. It is when they have faith that they receive the Spirit and are united with God and saved. After they already have the Holy Spirit, they are then baptised with water. Not before, but after. All Scripture is useful for teaching, God reveals the truth to us through it. Search the Scriptures for answers, do not look to men.
>>519964496You should not since you are not going to raise him Catholic. If your kid actually wants to be Catholic in the future he will be a bit pissed that he can't get the spiritual clean slate that Baptism gives but that he now has to recount all the sins of his life in the confessional.
>>519964496first repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, then baptism.a child cant repent or have faith.
>>519964801No because any god that condemns children isn't worth worshiping
>>519965988Jesus told us to get sprinkled and Paul gave whole families the sprinkle (John 3, Acts 2, Acts 16).Submit to Romeps. obligatory James 2 btfo's sola fide
>>519964496can't hurt, can it? pascal's wager and all that, may as well get the magic water
>>519964496Dunking your kid in water and then cutting his penis skin off is pure evil
>>519967803>sacred scripture>doesnt follow said scripturecatholocism is just rebranded paganism.
>>519964496You should do it. Holy Water on their foreheads is different from partial castration
>>519964496>role-playing>based or cringe?fix for you, OP.
>>519964496>save your kid from being circumcised>dedicate him to the sadistic Jewish war god YHWH anyway
>>519968060>MUH TRADITIONS OF MANYou made up your own traditions and have no theological basis to justify it other than "it insists upon itself", which it doesn't
>>519968235is the day of rest on the last day of the week or the first?
>>519968275It's on sunday because Pope Victor said so
>>519968376then you follow the anti christ religion. man can not change the commandments of God.Daniel 7He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law;and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
>>519968538Whatever you bind will be bound in heaven, whatever you loose will be loosed in heaven
Baptism is a tool of social herding, and not legitimate spirituality. If you truly believe some dude splashing some "holy water" on your kids head "saves" them in any way, you are cattle. Most do it to avoid the social headache that comes with going against the grain, which is bitchmade behavior.
>>519968709apostolic succession is not mentioned once in the bible.
>>519968789Please reconsider your blasphemy of the holy sacrament
>>519964496Do it for the fun. Baptism as a baby doesn't make sense but it'll be a good excuse to get the family together.
>>519968842Please consider licking my nuts, jew worshipper.
Just let them grow up and decide for themselves. God wouldn't eternally condemn them for taking too long
>>519968803Acts 1:25-26, 1 Timothy 4:14
>>519964496A baptism only matters when it's a conscience choice by the person, not one made by their parents.
>>519968990We in Rome nigga
>>519964496I mean, it's something you can do at home, so it's kinda useless, just bath them, and then give them a blessing while you do it. In the end I don't think it has any impact really, might give some type of good luck or something, not sure about the metaphysical impact of baptism at the moment. But I bet you that there is not much difference between baptized and non-baptized people during life. And then during after-life it does not really have any impact, as you are the one who decides if you are going to be baptized or not.
>>519969089I'm in hell. Surrounded by retarded demons.
>>519964496Confessional baptism was the standard during the Apostolic era. Child baptism as we understand it started in Egypt because of a plague during Origen's time, lost traction once the plague died down then revitalized by Augustine's view of sin.
>>519969147>Canadianchecks out
>>519969048you cut out God of the decision making process.>And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. speaks of gifts of the Holy Spirit, not apostolic succession.also you skirt around the question, do you keep the sabbath or not?which are the true commandments of God which Jesus told us to keep?
>>519969135>There is not much difference between non-baptized and baptized people in lifeOne is infused with the holy spirit, one is not
>>519964496Why would you trust them. For all you know they could be lying and damning you to hell.
>>519969223Got me there.
>>519964496If you’re Christian, is don’t see why it would be cringe since that’s part of that belief systemSince I’m not, it would make zero sense if I did that
>>519969389God made the decision to leave the earthly ministry to his clergy and in turn promised to protect them from binding error. God is in the Church and the Church is with God.I don't know enough about the calendar issue, but it's not any more or less important that baptism. If you're asking me if I observe Sunday as a holy day of obligation and treat it as a day of rest, then yes.
>>519969400>I can command God as I pleasesatanic garbage, the wind blows as it pleases, not as you or some pope pleases.
Make sure the priest is white. I've heard some horror stories about bacterial contamination in the holy water.
>>519964496>Is it worth splashing water on their head to save them from hell?That's just Catholic doctrine. Baptize your kids if you're Christian, it's an important rite for initiation in the Christian faith, but water being sprinkled doesn't save us from Hell. No one was there to baptize the Penitent thief yet he was saved.
>>519969518Quebecois or Anglo?
>>519969763Injun.
>>519969610>but it's not any more or less importantkeeping the commandments of God is a prerequisite to enter his holy city, read Revelation. so is baptism in the Holy Spirit, baptism is just symbolic.>If you're asking me if I observe Sunday as a holy day of obligation and treat it as a day of rest, then yes.so you are not a christian, but pagan sun worship cult.
>>519964496Cringe af. Catholics are fucking retards
>>519969845*baptism in water is just symbolic.
>>519969689??? How does being infused with the holy spirit via baptism mean I'm literally God? Maybe infusion is the wrong word but the point is the Holy Spirit is literally with every baptized person.
>>519969756He was an example to all that no-one is beyond salvation, he was also an example to the type of situation you would have to be in to be saved outside the ordinary means prescribed
>>519969887lol no. baptism in the Holy Spirit comes after repentance, a new conscience, heart and mind. its a complete factory reset of your own being by God, water can do nothing. and you certainly cant command God to get into water and distribute it as you please without repentance.
>>519964496Yes OP, you should absolutely dunk your baby's head in water to please a mythical ancient wizard sand nigger!
>>519969845My brother in Christ, your theology didn't exist 300 years ago
>>519969838Sad!, Praying your water gets clean
>>519970142its all outlined in the bible and certainly older than the roman king priest heresy.all authority in heaven and earth is with Jesus Christ, not some dude who thinks he is his replacement. luciferian garbage is what it is.
>>519969879Something something, born of water and spirit
>>519970253Nigga, everything we believe is outlined in the bible, and we actually have historic continuity
>>519967984What if there's a God that punishes you for engaging in that ritual? Pascal's wager is retarded and assumes the only two possibilities are there being the Abrahamic God or there being no god.
>>519970363dont leave out the rest>6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
>>519970377Because the Abrahamic God absolutely dunks on all the Hindu, Pagan, etc "deities"
>>519970363you dont even keep the sabbath, how can you say so. you follow different commandments of men, not of God.
>>519970401I am yet to hear how that at all debunks the sacrament
>>519970457How?
>>519970586because in most baptisms no repentance or change is involved.especially when it is infant baptism.repentance, then baptism in the Holy Spirit, then faith in Jesus Christ, then baptism in water as a symbol of the new birth.
>>519964670Shalom
>>519970501>YOU FOLLOW COMMANDMENTS OF MENShow me where before Luther any of the 'solas' were believed in the mainstream church without being anathematized
>>519970767There is definitely a change involved
>>519964496>Is it worth splashing water on their head to save them from hell?Read that sentence again, very slowly if you have to. Hopefully you'll realize how absurd you sound.
>>519967803Sauls authority: trust me bro
>>519970501are you adventist?
>>519970726Look at the achievements of abrahamic civilizations and compare them to the rest
>>519970457>>519970726In the number of foreskins
>>519970940He probably is lmao his entire theology is centered on the calendar
>>519971000Im not a jew?
>>519970818idc about Luther, the reformers kept the Lords day and thus the reformation failed.the commandments are written in stone and to be kept as coming from God and not changed.>>519970895100% not.I was baptised by my own will when I was 14, I was as much a sinner as I was before.only when I repented with 29 I was born again and received the Holy Spirit.>>519970940no, I am a bible believing christian.>>519971050if you would be born again you would know which day the sabbath is on and why it is so important to rest on that day.what a miracle it is when satan has to shut up once a week.
>>519971050well, one thing adventists got right is that the pope is the antichrist
>>519968842
>>519967668>a child cant repent or have faithwho makes up this nonsense
>>519971151what church do you go to?
>>519971123
>>519964496>1 post from OP's IDYou don't have children, you don't care about Christian tradition, you are only here to provoke an argument. Fuck off.
>>519971215the Church of Jesus Christ that cant be seen with human eyes or touched with human hands.a direct relationship with God, prayer, worship and following the commandments.
>>519967803There is nothing concerning infants being baptised. In Acts 8:36-37 we are told:36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See,here iswater.What hinders me from being baptized?”37Then Philip said,“If you believe with all your heart, you may.”And he answered and said,“I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”...As you can see, Philip required him to first believe with all his heart before he would baptise him. Belief, faith; that comes first, then we get baptised after. It stands to reason that there is no point in baptising infants.Full disclosure: verse 37 is not included in some modern translations citing 'newly discovered texts' that are 'actually more ancient', and so some modern scholars will claim it is an addition. This is one of the points the KJV only types bang on about. For myself, I'm willing to trust the New Testament as it was read for the vast majority of Christians throughout history.Of course we still have the thief on the cross, Acts 10, and Romans 4, to give further credence to the credobaptist position which are not disputed by scholars
>>519964496>Asking jew central for real life adviceYou can do the opposite of what the memeflags say, I guess there is that.
>>519964801what else does your book of hebrew myths tell you to do?
>>519971406what church were you baptized in at 14?
>>519971278I'm here niggers, thought this got archived.
>>519971476evangelische kirche
>>519968990Calm down pajeet
>>519971151A far simpler explanation is:1) You're a Judaizer2) You finally developed feelings3) You are your own pope4) You're a Judaizer as for picrel: You're also illiterate because if you read the verses counting the 10 commandments in a Catholic Bible, you would realize all the commandments are there, they're just numbered differently. picrel is just a dishonest abbreviation of the differently numerated commandments.
>>519964496>baptized>splashing water on their headPick one, dumbass. Baptized is not a special word. It is Greek for immersed.
>>519971406>the Church of Jesus Christ that cant be seen with human eyes or touched with human handsthats your own selfish interpretationsure, people who go to church are not real christians
>>519964496Baptism is just another cringe ritual. Even worse for unwitting participants. Doesn’t do anything.Believe Jesus died for your sins. Feel bad when you do bad things.
>>519964496absolutely cringe and a 1 way ticket to the ovenfuck christkikes and their brown religion
>>519971267last I checked the NT wasn't in the torah and tha talmud says Jesus is boiling in a pit of shit. The last person I could possibly be is a jew
>>519964496Risk nothing, gain everything. What a stupid question.
>>519964496Baptism is important. It doesn't need to be done as a child like the Catholics. Protestants wait until the child is old enough to make the decision for themselves, usually teen or older. It's just a symbol of faith and in my opinion is pointless in a child, but it doesn't hurt anything. Circumcision is pointless too.
>>519964496It's based.Notice that everyone seething over Christianity is gay, trans, Jewish, or Hindu. Most likely they are all of the above, they're homosexual ethnically Jewish Hindus with mutilated dicks
>>519971811You are stuck in the semitic dichotomy
>>519971416I never said credobaptism wasn't legitimate, but the idea that only credobaptism was practiced is laughable and the rejection of paedobaptism is ahistorical
>>519971595>1) You're a Judaizerno Im not. the commandments of God stand and Jesus Christ told us to keep them. both in his life and Revelation. they were never changed.>3) You are your own popeyou simply dont understand the concept of being led by the Holy Spirit. you dont become your own pope, you sit down as a pupil with Christ as your teacher.1 John 227 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.Matthew 238 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c] 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.>You're also illiterate because if you read the verses counting the 10 commandments in a Catholic Bibleexplain this then2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.sourcehttps://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7F.HTM
>>519971530>I'm here niggers, thought this got archived.Okay. We'll get your baby baptized, fool. I call you a fool because you outsource your own father instinct to strangers online. So don't be a fool. Do you want your child to become possessed by the spirit of the world? To inherit the soulless and abominable desire to whore themselves to lust, sloth and greed? Do you want your son to become a creedless and virtueless man who is a slave to himself? Do you want your daughter to become an empty husk who only seeks cheap attention from men who use her like a sex object? Do you want either of them to become transgender and give their souls to the Luciferian principles that poison our world?No? So get them baptized. Your children will still sin, they will still be demonically oppressed, but they will never become possessed. Baptism protects their soul at the fundamental level.Have you ever seen those types of degenerates who just never learn. They just never listen? They cannot be talked out of their own demise no matter how much information or proof or consequences slaps their face? Those are possessed people OP. Unbaptized souls. Do not let your own children become the same.
>>519971595and ofc, the heresy of the Lords day of worship as sun worship, instead of observing the sabbath.https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7O.HTM
>>519972028Paedobaptism was practiced, but there's evidence to suggest it did not become widespread until Augustine. In other words it is unlikely to have been apostolic; in other words, there is no command to do it and considering what Scripture says elsewhere, it seems like an empty ritual with the potential to give people false assurance and therefore lead them to hell.I just want everyone to come to Christ and trust in Him as their Lord and Saviour. If the OP is hoping sprinkling water on his infant is the way to safeguard them, instead of actually trusting in Christ; I worry. The one need not follow the other, but sadly it often does in today's world.
>>519964496Better than cutting the tips of their dicks off because you think your kids dick looks weird.
>>519972240>You don't know what it means to be led by the holy spiritYou are suffering delusions of grandeur, God isn't speaking to you personally, thats sheitan pissing in your ear>Explain 2nd Nicaea2nd Nicaea is based and you need to submit to God's Holy Church
>>519971595>>519972554>We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106>Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath>2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107
>>519972651I already said, you dont have a concept of being led the Holy Spirit.you know the Spirit if it declares that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and glorifies him.satan doesnt do that, he wants to replace Jesus.>you need to submit to God's Holy Churchthe bible never says this. you need to submit to God alone. denying yourself and carrying your cross.
>>519971811wasn't jesus a jew?
JUST DONT MUTILATE THEIR GENITALS TO APPEASE JEWS AND MUSLIMS WHO THINK YOU'RE LESS THAN HUMAN ANYWAY.>what the fuck america
>>519964496Baptism is a practice endorsed by Christ himself. Do it as soon as possible and then have your kid get it again when you have taught him the significance of his devotion. It is important.
>>519972579>If the OP is hoping sprinkling water on his infant is the way to safeguard them.It does. It prevents demonic possession. It does not guarantee salvation, it does not prevent sin (for sin is chosen freely, baptism does not override free will). But it severely disrupts the demonic assault that is waged against the souls of men. You want to lead people to Christ that is good. But do not forget that Satan and his legion will not sit idly by and do nothing. They move around the Earth and the target every soul. Especially those faithful to Christ. Do not think you can rest easy just because (you) have developed a strong faith in the Lord. You will always be tempted and attacked spiritually. And even when you 'win', even when you deny the Devil thoroughly, the fight is not over. Because the demonic legion will simply stop targeting you.They will target your loved ones instead. Especially your precious little ones, and they will do this to ruin them as well as (you). Don't be an idle lukewarm protestant-minded fool, baptize your children. If you don't, you may as well open the spiritual door to let the snakes in where they sleep.
>>519964496>should I raise my kids to worship the Jew?Even though this is clearly a troll thread fuck off
>>519972852L bait
>>519964496Some pedo priest is soaking your kid with some water that is most likely full of bacteria and parasites.While they chant some nonsense and crowd is cheering.Yea anon it's just cringe af and can't get your kid sick with all that nigger kids washed in this shit before yours.
>>519968203>Jewish war god YHWHIt's shocking how few people know that he used to be the Jews' Ares/Mars. Most just assume he was a monotheistic deity.
>>519964496>kids baptizedNO!One should be at least 14 years old to be baptized. It is for After accepting Christ!
>>519972841Matthew 16:18, 1 Timothy 3:15, Revelation 19:7-9, John 21:15-17
>>519972980It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that prevents demonic possession, because it means we belong (are possessed) by God. When does the baptism of the Holy Spirit take place? Acts 10:44-48. It happens when we accept the Gospel, it happened the Gentiles listened to Peter's preaching and believed. It was after they already had the Holy Spirit that they were baptised with water.If the water baptism was accompanied by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which some teach today; then your argument might be true. But how can it be? If we have the Holy Spirit, then we will produce good works. A good tree will bear good fruit. If the sprinkling of water on children gave them the Holy Spirit, they would produce good fruit; because the Holy Spirit being good must produce good fruit. Yet what do we see from many who are water baptised as infants? They do the same as the unbelievers, and many call themselves unbelievers. How can you say these people are immersed in the Holy Spirit?! They are clearly not.Therefore they do belong to God, they are not possessed by God; and so on what grounds do you argue they cannot be owned by devils? It is only what belongs to God that cannot be stolen.
>>519973291I bet you dont even know who the Bride, the Church really is.Revelation 1217 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
>>519973291also the rest doesnt mention any instance of submitting to the Church at all.you submit to God the same way the Church submits to God.
>>519973280wasn't he some petty sandstorm demon?
>>519964496Baptism is just Jewish ritual bathing. But instead of doing it regularly most baptisers only do it once. There are a few sects that do regular or even daily baptism making it exactly the same as Jewish ritual bathing
>>519964496Its better than a rabbi cutting and 5uc|<1ng the baby.
>>519973534It's the same church which held all the ancient churches in its communion. It's the same Church that Paul was a Elder in, and Peter was the Chief Elder of. >>519973624Yes
>>519973647>wasn't he some petty sandstorm demon?Nah, Yahweh used to be their god of war, he was made prime deity after they got stomped several major battles in a row.He has a father, El, a wife, Asheera, and 71 brothers. Even Belzebub is written like that in order to mock his father, Baalzebur (the high lord or something like that), in order to make him lesser. This is why there are so many remnant passages about Yahweh being the son of El, people worshipping other gods while waiting on the schizo to get off the mountain etc.
>>519973527>It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that prevents demonic possession, because it means we belong (are possessed) by God. When does the baptism of the Holy Spirit take place? Acts 10:44-48. It happens when we accept the GospelAnd you show that acceptance through action, through baptism. Faith without works is a dead faith. James 2:14 -26The apostles and disciples did not simply accept Christ intellectually, as an abstraction of thought, or as a fleeting feeling, they used their bodies and used their actions to accept that faith. Baptism is such an action that completes true acceptance. >Yet what do we see from many who are water baptised as infants? They do the same as the unbelievers, and many call themselves unbelievers. How can you say these people are immersed in the Holy Spirit?! They are clearly not.EVERYONE sins. Do not think your faith will turn you into a being like Christ in this life. It will not. You are a sinner, as am I. Let us make no pretense about this. Do not make a sick game out of your own rejection of Christ's own tradition and sacrament (Baptism) and point your finger at baptised sinners as if to dismiss baptism as useless. Get your head straight and stop professing idleness and lukewarm faith as virtuous. It's not. Faith is not a thought and it is not a feeling, faith is action. And if you do no actions, no works, then it is a dead faith. It is your task to actually breathe life into that faith so as to offer it to the Lord.Do not offer the Lord rotted fruit.
>>519973926Mfw ancient jews were Pagans, so God had to continuously correct them
>>519973910Jesus Christ is the head of the Church.sounds like youre not in the right church but some larp institution.Colossians 115He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For byf him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
>>519974035Retard post of the day, read what I wrote, Yahweh was just one of the deities. Not even the prime deity. Literally Ares.Not that he exists, but in any case, you believe in a kike war god.
>>519974113All of this is coherent with Catholic teaching if you know what Vicar means and not just assuming it means the Pope is equal to Jesus
>>519974300The Old Testament speaks of the wickedness and faithlessness of the Jews
>>519964496Why did you have kids if you think they might go to hell ?
i was circumsized but my parents made me wait to be baptized because i had to be old enough to know what i was committing myself to? i was circumsized and my parents look down on christian denominations that do child baptism.
>>519974365Nothing has changed, then.In reality, passages and the entire fucking book of Deutoronomy were added to put the "correct" god into the spotlight on a later date.You are arguing in defense of a nonexistent deity from an old pantheon based on the passages of their fanfiction.Better ask him to help you with defeating chariots of iron and getting stomped by them again, then.
>>519974323oh no, he is worse, he claims to be God on earth, changing Gods commandments.they actually think they sacrifice Jesus Christ every mass over and over again, all the time. a deeply satanic concept.they persecute true believer in Christ and kill them.the Pontifex Maximus, a babylonian pagan title, thinks he can rule the world like God having kings bow to him while whoring the harlot out to all other pagan religions in the world.the sole reason is to replace Jesus Christ as God with a man god, the man of sin, anti christ.the catholic church is the fulfillment of satans religion of the end times. come out of her my people.>Vicar means and not just assuming it means the Pope is equal to JesusJesus Christ does not need a replacement, he rules heaven and earth from the right hand of the Father in heaven. he is our mediator and him alone.
my brother married some hippie trash whose parents were rhode island lapsed catholic shitbags.she didn't want the kids baptized and he went along with it. The kids have just gotten more fucked up ever since, parents' drug issues spiraled, now they are half through divorce.\Maybe God thinks you should baptize them, especially if you come from 50 generations of Christians beforehand....
>>519973990I think you have misunderstood. No one is rejecting baptism, everyone acknowledges we should get baptised, the argument is about what the water baptism does and when we should do it.Secondly, faith without works is dead because if we have faith, we will have the Holy Spirit. We are saved by faith before obedience as shown in Romans 4. Once we have faith, when we accept the Gospel, we are baptised in the Holy Spirit as shown in Acts 10:44-48. If we have the Holy Spirit, there will be good fruit; because a good tree must produce good fruit. We were saved before we produced good fruit, but after we are saved the Holy Spirit will produce good fruit; so if there are no works after coming to faith, then there is no faith. Faith would lead to being indwelled by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit would lead to good works. This does not mean we will be fully sanctified in this life. We are all sinners. However there will be changes in the Christian. We will be convicted of sin. We will be inspired to do good deeds. There will be changes. If there are none, not even internal struggles and conviction of guilt; then there is no Holy Spirit, and if there is no Holy Spirit then there is no faith.Romans 4 teaches we are justified by faith before we obey. We should still obey afterward, and obedience includes water baptism; but we are justified by our faith before our obedience, justified by our faith before our water baptism. If water baptism is not what justifies us, then why do it before we have faith? In other words; there is no point in an infant having a water baptism because they cannot articulate their faith and therefore it is not an act of obedience, but an empty ritual.
>>519967668You’re entering into the body of Christ. Could an eight day old baby boy consent to entering into the Covenant through circumcision?
>>519974995when you enter a land with corrupt DNA lines that produce giants you better make sure you separate your blood by an outside mark to make sure mixture does not occur.thank the Lord we have a new covenant in Jesus Christ.
>>519974832Pontifex Maximus is a ceremonial title given to him by the Roman emperor, symbolizing the Empire's shift from paganism to Christianity. We don't re-sacrifice Jesus, we re-present his sacrifice at every mass. We offer up his body and blood for the forgiveness of our sins just like he commanded us to, "Eat of this, for this is my flesh which will be given up for you. Drink of this chalice for it is the blood of the new and eternal covenant". The Pope is the leader of the church, and he has the power to formulate and ratify doctrine without being erroneous, as Jesus gave to Peter, within the confines of how the Church operates.Vicar doesn't mean replacement, it means representative. He is not a replacement for Christ, he is an agent of Christ. The Catholic Church is the same church that existed since the Apostolic age and will continue to be until the end of times
>>519974995The Old Testament prototype does not lead to the antetype working in all of the same ways. Circumcision was a physical marking of a blood people. Baptism is a spiritual marking of a faithful people.The physical example helps us to understand. We are like a tribe, like a nation; one people with one God. However we are not united in blood, but in faith. That is how we are like Abraham, we are children of faith. They were marked physically on the 8th day, it does not follow that we should be baptised on the 8th day. We are told that we Christians will be circumcised in the heart; we are marked inwardly. It is of faith.The argument of baptising infants due to circumcision on the 8th day is like arguing that Jesus must be naked. Circumcision is the prototype, like Adam is; baptism and Jesus are the antetypes. It does not follow that the prototype must be like the antetype in ALL ways.Jesus is like Adam in that through them, all humanity was changed. Through Adam we were cursed; through Jesus we were redeemed.Baptism is like circumcision in that it is a marking of the people of God. A sign and profession of our identity. It is not like circumcision in that it should be done on the 8th day. People get so confused by prototype-antetype arguments.
>>519973148wait this is literally what christkikes believe?that their god is a jewish brown manthis is literally what your jewish manuscript says you retarded christkikemaybe you have poor reading comprehension but such is the case for christkikeshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=tB7p0enVs5Q
here we go again"Catholic: The Orthodox Church (orthe - true, doxa - glory of God) is simultaneously "kat holou," which means "according to the whole," and includes the totality of tradition as well as the personal lives of the saints and their holiness, the source of which is the Holy God—Christ Himself. Catholicity is thus a characteristic of the Church of Christ, not to be understood geographically. "Catholic" here is not to be equated with "Roman Catholic.""is the abovementioned correct, true?im asking because in order to get baptized one must say, among other things, "To the one holy, catholic and apostolic Church."and i really dislike catholics in general>t. still unbaptized, uncut, unvaxxed
>>519964496Christianity was a good religion in the past but these days it's absolute dog shit and teaches people to be spineless cowards who do nothing but bend over backwards for browns and kikes.
>>519964941A lot of people are NPCs that simply go along with whatever they are told. Covid proved this.
>>519964496Baptism is not something you do to children, it's a choice you have to make yourself. Baptizing babies is heresy.
>>519975609>symbolizing the Empire's shift from paganism to Christianityhow can a pagan title lead to christianity. its a pagan succession to a pagan religion.>We don't re-sacrifice Jesus, we re-present his sacrifice at every mass.you dont even know your own church laws. they treat it as the literal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. a redoing of his sacrifice on the cross with the priests claiming they have authority over God to do so.> We offer up his body and blood for the forgiveness of our sins just like he commanded us tohe did once on the cross. no need to repeat it. all sins were forgiven on the cross, not every mass.> "Eat of this, for this is my flesh which will be given up for you. Drink of this chalice for it is the blood of the new and eternal covenant"that was the last supper. the mass sacrifice is nothing like that. its some pagan ritual, not breaking of bread and drink in rememberance.>The Pope is the leader of the churchthe church has one head, Jesus Christ. he is the leader, not the pope.>He is not a replacement for Christbut that is what catholics treat him as. calling him "Holy Father", "his holiness" etc. its man worship instead of God worship. you bow to rome, you dont bow to God.>The Catholic Church is the same church that existed since the Apostolic age and will continue to be until the end of timesno, its a den of vipers, the synagogue of satan, the whore of babylon with her mysteries and blasphemies.I am not even touching mary worship here. its all heretical teachings that none of the apostles practices or taught or is described in the bible. its all mystery paganism, signs and wonders.catholocism is not christian, its pagan.
>>519968842Cursed be the holy spirit, fuck Yeshua and fuck YHWH
>>519976497>MUH PONTIFEX MAXIMUSclearly doesn't know what ceremonial means>We consume his literal flesh and blood in the eucharistYes, because no new sacrifice is made>MUH LAST SUPPER PAGAN RITUALIt is in fact the literal flesh and blood of the New Covenant>Yes Jesus is the only head of the Church, Peter is his Vicar, as the successor of Peter, the Pope is the visible head of the church on earth, but everyone knows the true leader of the church and the King of Kings is Jesus. No-one has ever denied that>BUT HIS HOLINESS, HOLY FATHERHe is the Bishop of Rome, if you think paying respects to the Vicar of Christ is the same as offering latria to God, you're out for lunch>SYNAGOGUE OF SATANMy nigga, you're a schizo with a savior complex
>>519976608May the lord soften your heart
>>519976608Normally I can feel anger or grief or sardonic cynicism from people like (you) who provoke. But for you I felt something strange. I felt absolutely nothing, not even bitterness, just cold and dead emptiness, like living-dead.
>>519977471His is long gone, anon.
>>519977423>pharisaic pilpulsatan could dress up personally as the pope and you would still follow like a sheep to the slaughter. your religion is not based on faith, it is based on empty works and rituals with no fruit.but this is what you need. you are a pagan in hearth with no regeneration because you never repented. stop justifying yourself and rely on Jesus Christ to justify you and clothe you in his righteousness and give you the Holy Spirit in repentance.
>>519974969>then why do it before we have faith? In other words; there is no point in an infant having a water baptism because they cannot articulate their faith and therefore it is not an act of obedience, but an empty ritual.Because if you trust the Lord with your life, you will trust Him with your children’s. Very simple
>>519964496Get it done. It's tradition. Society lacks tradition.
any christians care to reply to my post itt >>519976105 and expound or rebuke what i copied from the russian orthodox church website
>>519978661Yes it isCatholic just means "universal" here
>>519978661its roman catholocism, the the roman religion first.catholocism means universal.roman catholocism thus is the roman universal church.not a christian church but a roman church with a roman leader, pontifex maximus.the true universal church are all universal believers in Jesus Christ who may are part of different denomination but still hold fast to one core faith.
>>519979066>>519979088double checked,ok ty i see
>>519977887I cannot have faith for my children. The water baptism is an act of obedience done when we come to faith. I am raising my son in a Biblical Reformed Baptist church and I pray for him every day and read the Bible to him even though he is still a bit young. I hope more than anything that he will be a Christian.From Scripture and my understanding of history, I just do not think infant baptism makes any sense.
>>519964496We baptized all three of our kids, wife's catholic and I honestly don't mind...
>>519977471>>519977760>turn the other cheekyou 2 put the cuck in christcuck
>>519965988retardbaptising physicaly speaking is just splashing some water on a babyif you dont belive some day that its just that, you got splashed with waterunlike americans, the circumscision causes permament brain changes and subconcious drama and damage, it litterary create low trust society
>>519979808whens he born? month and week is enough if you do decide to tell.>I cannot have faith for my childrenand you shouldnt. you should have faith in God and yourself. they shall have faith, themselves. and you shouldnt opress them with your views, beliefs ect. sure do tell them the obligatory, objective Truths as your duty as a parent, but dont force it onto them.i for example am glad that my parents decided to "wait and see", so that i may get disgusted from the world and seek truth and come to conclusions myself. (this is somewhat of a lofty~ reason of existence in the first place)i could never forgive them if I've gotten the american treatment, leaving the tip.i already resent them a lot for vaccinating me as a baby. (making me unable to AP and RV, maybe even dream, among other things but i digress)at least thats my humble opinionalso, any /x/anons itt lurking? what are the metaphysical ramifications of being baptised in the Logoi of Christ, Jesus? is it purely optical or is there some effect on the toroid field, consciousness even?
