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>>519972898based. once this shithole collapses, all the kikes and miggers are going into the oven.
>>519972898He's insane for thinking multi decade long investments and infrastructure will just pull out and come back to America. They can just wait for him to leave office.
>>519972898>show graph>Y axis is an undefined percentage>X axis does not exist
>>519972898You can't use tariffs when you are the world reserve currency. This is why having that status is like a Faustian bargainThe USD is constantly in demand due to its use as a medium of exchange so you aren't able to compete with countries that can devalue their currency. This causes every industry to atrophy except for finance. If you then try to use tariffs this crashes the USD and threatens the solvency of the financial system which the US depends onIts a very difficult situation to be in
>>519973149it's just chink spam
>>519973192>You can't use tariffs when you are the world reserve currencyy not?
>>519972945Wrong. They're best utilized as slaves in work camps. Just tell them God wanted them to do it or something. Call them lazy if they don't work.
>>519972898It takes a while to build new factories.
>>519973286Jews
>>519972898Tends to happen when you have no accompanying industrial policy
>>519973317china does it it weeks. cry more migger.
>>519973286Countries use the USD because after WW2 every country on Earth was trading with America, so you could assume that at some point those USDs would re-enter the US for goods and services. Tariffs are trade barriers, which directly undermines that confidence and incentivizes countries to look for alternative mediums of exchangeThere is enormous inertia for using the USD which is why over 90% of international trade is still in USD despite the US weaponizing sanctions, but countries not being sure their USD can be circulated due to American trade protections will be the straw that breaks the camel's backThis is also why the Yuan will never replace the USD, China does not want to be put in the same situation as America
>>519973529>Countries use the USD because after WW2 every country on Earth was trading with Americano that's not why
>>519972945America collapsing would hit this shithole the hardest. /pol/ is infested with loser NEETs who are simply unprepared to survive sans government assistance, no matter how much they LARP that they're only NEETing to bring about the revolution and will become trad survivalists in a SHTF scenario.
>>519972898This is still the Biden economy. When Trumps kicks in you'll feel it.
>>519973567America was the only industrialized country left standing after WW2, if you wanted any kind of manufactured goods at scale you had to get it from the US
>>519972945Two more weeks
>>519972898>>519972945You niggers were better pretending you were two completely different factions.
>>519973317China literally can ship an entire factory to a port.
>>519973683>America was the only industrialized country left standing after WW2no, that's not true either
>>519973494China doesn't care about safety or long-term viability. Factory only needs to be productive (at the expense of human lives and welfare) for a few years before it blows up or falls down and they can just build a new cheap factory to replace it.
>>519973963>China doesn't care about safety or long-term viability.the US doesn't care about safety either. and long term viability is just a retarded thing to say. over the last 30 years they have surpassed muttistan in technological ability BECAUSE they think in long term viability, rather than retarded 4 year presidential terms that get undone by the next good goyim in the white house. >>519973877kike cock sucker says what?
>>519973959Okay>>519973963Problem is America is a democracy, which means short term pain for long term gain is impossible. The opposition party will use the inflation caused by the tariffs to attack the incumbent and then reverse the tariffs when they are in officeIts the same problem with boomer entitlements
>H-Here's why it d-doesn't work!>Brought to you by literal globohomo
>>519974117>the US doesn't care about safety either.no this isn't true at all. we care to much and chinks care just the right amount given the lower value of chinese life.
>>519974155it's ok, we all make mistakes and errors
>>519972898mutt pussies shitskins keep on losing lmao
>>519972945They'll make MAGA soap very strongly. Some say it's the best soap! There's never been a biglier soap brand, folks. Many people are saying this!
>>519973149China line upAmerpiggu line downCope and seethe
>>519972898lol anyone with half a brain knows tariffs won't do shit but drive away business from the USAit's not like it was in the past and never will be again
>>519972898>tariffs will magically bring back the decades-long hollowing out of our industrial workforcethis retard actually thinks everything is the 1980s. modern manufacturing is nothing like manufacturing 40, or even 20 years ago. you need skilled labor to run these places. that requires significant investment in trade schools because we simply don't have sufficient domestic expertise here for training people. and even if we did, companies hate training new people, so you'd have to subsidize them for it. and even THEN, there would almost certainly be a shortage because 90% of the people in this country are obese, entitled, degenerates who either refuse to do the work or are physically incapable of it
>>519972898>Takes decades to reindustrialise >Insincere leftists complain that it hasn't happened in less than a year.I hate them so much
>>519973192Have you seen demand for USD lately?
>>519974199You care so much about long term that you are replacing your own people, cutting dicks of because of some trend, putting your children in schools surrounded by animals?
>>519974117>kike cock sucker says what?Can you say that again so I can laugh some more?
I just wanna laugh at mutts once the jays win the world series.
>>519974571shut the fuck up migger. go suck some jew cock somewhere else.
sorry we're a nation of consultants now
>>519974546you buzz back to your hive for a reason little bug. china is currently undergoing mass emigration and everyone wants out
>>519972898LINE GO UP FOREVER!
>>519974571And still Trump worships kikes and Israel. How pathetic. Mutts really have no self respect and spine, a nation of followers. No wonder jeets integrate so well there, basically the same people
>>519972898well three auto production lines in canada just shut down and moved to the USseems to be working out for Stellantis and GM and Crown RoyalCanada has lost 50,000 jobs, US has gained that and more
>>519972898Because Trump went out of his way to make the raw materials more expensive. His inability to keep the specifics consistent for more than a month, and inability to come to agreements with even servile allies like Japan also reduce investment.Tariffs have only made services, software, and financial products more profitable compared the to production economy.
>>519974667All you can do, and all you have left, is projection nigger.You are a pinko and you are going to die out with the rest of the communists.
>>519972898If you're a Jew, pedo, or Jewish pedo then he's the greatest president that has ever lived.
>>519973082The obvious answer.
>>519974703I accept your concession
>>519974451Its
>>519972898It's been like four months, retard.
>>519973082Well that's the point many of you retards don't understand. Any fix to our economy is going to require painful bandage ripping for a couple of years but no one wants to do this
>>519973236But can anyone point to significant onshoring and new plant development occurring and simultaneously separate it from planned investment taking place prior to the Tariffs being announced? It's not showing in economic metrics, this is mostly resultant of AI investment which is long running and money changing hands between benefactors. Even this isn't profit driven but largely speculative. Sometimes propaganda is the truth, investment in manufacturing is not occurring. There is ample space and margins for investment in energy production and this hasn't manifested either. All projects in the pipeline aren't enough to lower energy costs.
>>519973082All future Presidents will be MAGA.
>>519974814migger, stop replying to me. i don't want to smell your jew cum breath. go the fuck away you anti white race traitor.
>>519973082except when he leaves office the tarriffs will stay in placeif a democrat is president they will just take credit for them and gaslight their votersUSAID isnt coming back either
Obviously tarriffs weren't going to bring manufacturing back to the US, it was going to drive people away. It's the opposite of an incentive. What the fuck did people expect from more taxes? Why people so hypnotized by Trump the fraudster? He's an orange jew faggot here to destroy the USA because he couldn't get enough of a high from raping kids and torturing them before eating them.
>>519974451>>519974855Its looking decent*
>>519974958cant have maga without the personality cultnobody can carry trump's torch in that regard
>>519974155>America is a democracyNo.
>>519972898reagan already explained why. just watch the goddamn speech
>>519972898we didn't reindustrialize in 9 months?it's so over bros
>>519972898The US can't even feed their minorities. It's over
>>519974963Funny of you to call anyone an anti-white race traitor since you spent the last 8 years sucking off china, mexican drug cartels and sandniggers.
>>519975020we'll just elect trump again
>>519973082Correct. Years ago I invented a solution for reindustrialization, pitched it to probably dozens of VCs, hundreds of angels etc. Problem was hardware is expensive for a startup, so seed capital is high. You can imagine the gambit of shit I heard. It's too late now, would have taken decades, and it would have already been close to a decade into the process if I had the capital.
>>519972945uh oh dare i said based?
>>519974853
>>519974893And an additional $2 trillion added to the debt in just 4 months LOL. What a great job he's doing! God you MIGA retards are dense.
>>519975020That's where you're wrong, bucko.
>>519974901Haha. K, you coping moron. I must have been dreaming when Trump was bragging about all the money we were making / saving via DOGE.
>>519975345don't forget credit scores are tanking lmao. no one has any money other than the kikes.
>>519975038Its a democracy in that people can vote for a new government every 4 years that can completely break continuity with the preceding administration. And crowds are notoriously short sightedAs soon as Americans are paying significantly higher costs for goods they will demand the tariffs get taken down and the opposition government will happily exploit that
>>519975345oh no, big numbers of fake money.the only valid criticism of Trump is that he's not deporting shitskins fast enough. i simply don't care about anything else.
>>519975426MIGA must be thrilled. They love Jews.
>>519975488Haha. Good ole MIGA answer.
>>519975488he's not deporting anyone. they all get to stay if they work the fields. dumb migger
>>519974853a chinking hiding in the west accepts much in life
>>519974901So maybe starting it in this manner when the incumbent president cannot run for election and would likely lose regardless was retarded. There was no long term plan perhaps because the intent was lowering trade imbalances and tariffs levied on American goods rather than complete onshoring. Offshoring was done because of the economic elite, who have little interest in losing money in paying higher wages and permitting costs, additionally all physical inputs even raw commodities are getting more expensive. Tariffs were attempted on raw copper of all things. Anyone competent would have worked from raw materials and building materials up so as not to increase plant production costs at the same time demanding investment. Trying to play it off as a long term plan when he could have just focused on individual sectors or even just commodity production and refinement, large scale energy production and transmission investment to keep operating costs of manufacturing competitive, it doesn't make any sense that it was played like this.
>>519975426>>519975569>he's filtered me for speaking the truth and crashing outCommies ARE natural pussies afterall.
>>519975656listen you stupid kike loving migger, i told you to stop fucking replying to me. you stink of jew cum. go the fuck away you ranti white race traitor. fuck
>>519975569He's deported about 500K and about 2 million have self-deported. Together that's only 5% of the number that need to go.
>>519975569But he saw it on the TV! Migatards believe the media when it tells them things they like hearing.
>>519972898>evil corporations that want to use cheap foreign slave labor not playing ballcolor me shocked
>>519972898>TLDR News (((Global)))lol if they weren't working you wouldn't have leftist faggots seething over them
>>519975815those are numbers from a government that's known to punish people who don't fabricate good numbers lmao.and what happens when they run out of criminals? the 27+ million illegal beaners + 150 million legal beaners get to stay lmao. what a joke.
>>519973192>le economics is le scienceGrow up
>>519974117>surpassed us in technology imagine believing the blatant CCP bullshit you'll never catch me in a fucking Chinese skyscraper
>>519972898>why aren't tariffs working?Goldman Sachs (ex-employer of my prime minister, total coincidence) is reaping massive profits off these tariffs. The art of the deal, anyone?
>>519975740I am going to keep replying to you because you are a little hypocritical bitch and a dying breed.
>>519976076probably because you couldn't afford to vacation there lmaoinb4>bruh i'm rich i got 20 million in the bank.
>>519972898I mostly support tariffs cause everyone claims they're the worst thing in the world. well, let's see.
>>519976264a contrarian, how novel
>>519974393>vote for me, I'll fix everything in less than a yearMakes everything exponentially worse.>vote for me, I'll fix all the warsRussia still invading a sovereign country.>vote for me, no new warsCIA team captured in Venezuela, threatens our allies, sends our troops to fight our own citizens
>>519976198>le "white supremacist" sucking off chinaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHH
>>519972898It doesn't work because he's using them as leverage for globohomo instead of protecting the US economy.
>>519976057Its not rocket science, the reserve currency status of USD gives you the ability to have huge trade deficits and borrow perpetually without your currency collapsing. Everyone goes to USD for a safe havenDownside to that is it makes manufacturing uncompetitive, except for some areas. Resource extraction is also impacted if you can get those resources somewhere else for cheaper. Basically everything except financial speculation
>>519972898It's almost like factories don't build themselves overnight. They're never coming back to the US btw, companies are just gonna wait until Donnie is out of office in a few more years. His whole thing about bringing manufacturing back to the USA was a pipedream.
>>519974392If you blocked foreign labor why would you need to subsideze companies to train people, what other choice would the companies have?
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>>519976350Trump grandchildren are all kikes
>>519972898>ReindustrialisationWhat do they mean by this? There has been zero industry that was gutted from America in the past that has come back to the country. There is no reindustrialisation of America which is a large part of why these tariffs have failed because China has a manufacturing industry within its own country America does not. This is what happens when you turn your economy almost entirely into a service economy not making anything of physical value anymore, wtf was America thinking?>>519973192>>519973529I get what you are saying but you are getting a bit to far down in the weeds with this entire explaination. The simplest explaination is the tariffs America puts on others have no teeth behind them because the US has no industry anymore to back itself up with since it was all gutted and scattered abroad back in the 1980s and 1990s. Imagine a country with zero industry in it trying to strong arm a country with a lot of industry and manufacturing in it, it simply does not work and only causes to the industrial country to laugh at the country with zero industry in it.
>>519976802That's where all countries started from though. America has the human capital, resources and pop size to reindustrialize rapidly if you actually did wall off the world's trade and annex CanadaBut the world reserve currency creates a huge problem because if you did say fuck it and put the tariff walls up, all those USDs circulating globally would flood back to the US and trigger hyperinflationImo best solution is just to default on the debt and create a new currency, the Onion did a great video on that once
>>519977508>America has the human capital,No it does not. There are very few industrial workers, and even fewer with experience in modern industry.
>>519977686You're underestimating Americans
>>519972898Its working. He's breaking Canadians.We now import beef that doesnt even have standards. Aactual ungraded food from shitholes like Mexico
>>519977508America does not have the human capital to reindustrialize. America did in the past but it isn't the same people, culture, heck the people aren't even from the same heritage anymore. The human capital and know how just isn't there anymore. Things have changed plus the people with it but not for the better that's for sure.>>519977989Asians are a small minority in the US plus whites are becoming a hated minority if not already a minority if you take out all the non-whites classified as "white" in population stats. There is no way to reindustrilize a country an atomized people, mass/rapid industrilisation would require a unified people with a unified vision/culture/heritage/etc. but the US doesn't have any of that anymore or even have the minimum requirement of having a unifying language anymore. Sad thing is you can make this argument for most western countries now. This issue goes beyond what can be quantified on any graph it is a deep societal sickness that is only getting worse.
>>519976734They can't be any worse than communists.
>>519978521>America does not have the human capital to reindustrialize. America did in the past but it isn't the same people, culture, heck the people aren't even from the same heritage anymore.Yeah but you can create that sense of identity through a race-class war against the oligarchs and JewsImagine having a president that campaigned on taking the US navy and blowing up every tax haven around the worldAnd automation has made it such that you don't need to have a huge population employed in manufacturing to be self sufficient, and that money will circulate in the American economy rather than just returning to the pockets of the business class through capital gainsIdentity comes from defining yourselves against who is outside of it. Jews, oligarchs and immigrant technocrats are perfect targets. It worked in Germany, it can work in America
>>519976802America still has a very large manufacturing industry, you have no clue what you're talking about. >hurf durf America doesn't make DVD players so they don't make anythign!
>>519977989>Youre underestimating Americans You’re overestimating Americans. Actual, real Americans have been subject to exclusion and replacement via policy for decades. Most people under 50 are shitskins or children of shitskin replacements. People are poor, fat, demoralized and fragmented. Why would leaf be speaking so glowingly about something he’s not even witnessing himself?
>>519976514More than that, manufacturing jobs are inherently kinda shitty and low paying for their employees, and you end up in a race to the bottom. This goes to explain part of why Asians are fairly poor for their level of production. Manufacturing is zero sum hypercompetition.Bringing back manufacturing in a way that's not just blatantly corrupt jobs for the boys would result in lower standards of living for a lot of Americans.
>>519978996> America still has a very large manufacturing industryIt does not.>source: Globohomo collectively can’t even out produce Russia, let alone the chinks
Drumpf is a fucking moron. Only he would try to crash a system where we tradeFIAT CURRENCY (aka fake money) forREAL TANGIBLE GOODS (aka China shit)And say this is bad for the US. Sure the US should bring back some high end manufacturing but the current economic system benefits the US so much, it is unbelievable.
>>519979251> manufacturing jobs are inherently kinda shitty and low paying for their employeesHow the fuck has China experienced the economic miracle of the last 50 years if your retarded statement had any truth to it? How has any country ever developed?
>>519974980>USAID isnt coming backBut what about transgender sesame street in Peru? LGBTQ+ awareness in Serbia? Sex change operations in Guatemala? Diversity Equity and Inclusion musicals in Ireland?Democrat lawmakers rioted because all of these programs are vital to US interest, they're bringing it back when they win. Peruvians having transgender sesame street is vital to US interest.
>>519979338> but the current economic system benefits the US so much, it is unbelievable.It does not memeflag jew. I saw a couple of homeless people doing the fent lean with their sleeping bags draped over them for warmth just this morning on my way to work
>>519979131The vast majority of non-whites in the US are hispanics, and they aren't anti-white. Latin American countries all have white populations in the elite and upwardly mobile hispanics want to integrate into the white population. They can be digested and assimilatedI'm not saying its ideal, Leave It To Beaver would have been preferable, but it can be managed.By contrast, the Anglo colonies and the UK are facing civil war and balkanization because our migrants have no common history with us and hate us
>>519975815>he's doing sooo much deporting guys come on! didn't you read the governments press release where the government said so!!oh no it's retarded haha
>>519974901Because you're a fucking retard for thinking you can reverse 30 years of De-industrialization in 2 weeks just because King Pedo says soHow about name one fucking incentive for any company to manufacture shit here except for >MUH AMERICA
>>519979251You get a race to the bottom when you have an oversupply of labour relative to capital and demand for products. If America shut its borders it could grow into the current labour pool and eventually demand for workers would rise, bringing wages up
>>519979613> and they aren't anti-whiteYes they are. You might as well argue a Dalit poo isn’t anti-White just because he does meme shit to try and become higher class. They have no interest in ethnic Europeans or our culture. They already have all of that on their own, and they nearly all self identify as natives of some form or another
>>519972898>Tariff>CringeFunny how the "anti-tax" party did an instant about face and imposed one of the highest taxes on themselves like dumb shits.
>>519979433Because it's more profitable than subsistence farming.The reality is that the factory in China that makes iPhones is making a profit of $20-40/unit. Apple, by virtue of controlling the IP, makes a profit of $300-400/unit. And there is constant competition among suppliers and factories to push prices lower and lower. Foxconn can't pay people like Apple.And in general, Asians have less purchasing power than their Western European counterparts. This is the price of competitive manufacturing.
>>519972898Turns out it’s easier to outsource industry than to build it up
>>519979778Whites are the dominant elite in all LatAm countries, every hispanic wants to breed into the white population. They even have a concept called "improving the race" when brown hispanics breed with whites and have lighter childrenThere's no parallel with Indians, the admixture event that created them happened in the bronze age and they're all brown. They see us as complete outsiders to their race (mlecchas) and we have no status in their varna system
>>519978996No it doesn't, America doesn't actually make anything physical anymore everything you look up regarding America's "manufacturing" is mainly assembling stuff. All America does is put together parts and pieces made in other countries but none of those parts and pieces are actually made in the US itself. I would hardly call assembling something actually manufacturing something because that would really be stretching the term. It is just another consequence of becoming a service economy.
>>519973192>>519973529high IQ posts
>>519972898>>519981552
>>519972898I think trump just wanted to steal money from importers to punish them and enrich himself.Hopefully the supreme court will rule against him and he will have to pay it all back.
>>519973529Yuan will never replace the USD because Yuan is backed by nothing.
>>519978723Miga shows their true colours.
>>519982184not sure if the chinks are counterfeiting gold or chocolat...
>>519972898Dumb murica, just tax your 1%
>>519972898we need to reindustrialize
>>519982184So is the US dollar... FOR A LONG TIME...
>>519976529More production coming to the us every day lol cancucks are losing big 3 jobs every day lol.
>>519972898Tariffs don't work because people don't want USD, everybody is buying Chinese dollars and Russian pesos
>>519977508Lol nah then you just pay off all your foreign debts with a lower value currency making the current trillions much lower lol. All the kikes in Europe lose multiple trillion dollars.
>>519982184It doesn't matter if the Yuan is backed or not, the Chinese do not want that status because it would destroy their manufacturing the same way it did to the US
>>519983070There are several orders of magnitude more USD circulating globally than what the US national economy could absorb, it would be Weimar tier if all those dollars flew homeDefaulting leaves the rest of the world with the bill rather than allowing them to dump the dollar on the market and have the US absorb them
>>519973286You basically get free income when you just print dollars and other countries trade real good for your fake money. The US has taken advantage of this system extensively. You reduce the trade, you better hope people still want your fake money.
>>519979694I mean the biggest incentive is access to the largest 1st would consumer base. Look at the chicken tax. BMW makes suvs in the us.
>>519972898This was nothing but a dying power lashing out impotently as it enters terminal decline.
>>519983278>Defaulting leaves the rest of the world with the bill rather than allowing them to dump the dollar on the market and have the US absorb themThere is an interesting element to this, because in the rest of the world people don't carry 30 year mortgages and they don't buy primary residence dwellings that are built out of cardboard which are in constant need of costly repairs. What it means in practical terms is consumption levels can go down substantially due to a financial crisis and the rest of the world will struggle, but pull through after a few hard years, whereas for the US it will be major systemic crisis.
>tariffs get blocked and delayed by gay Soros judges>HA looks like your tariffs failed orange man
>>519974948ultimately it doesnt matter if us is taking a hit because of these tarrifsthe whole reason why there has been such a slam of tarrifs was to combat countries (like china) that have/had existing tarrifs before 2025 that were getting around it by selling to other countries that would then sell to us (mostly canada and mexico)
>>519985062Wtf bros the free market failed?
>>519972945Im going to need a bigger oven Sven.
>>519972898Of course they're not working. The retard keeps chopping and changing them every week, who the fuck would invest $500 million for a factory that will take 5 years to build when they don't know if cheeto will drop the tariff a week later?
>>519974901You won't just get these jobs back here after 40-odd years within 4 you massive nigger retard. He played you. He promised you magic tricks, and then he dropped the act. Tariffs aren't going to bring jobs back LMAO, you fucking idiot.Tarriffs make people SAVE money, by not spending on exorbitant trade costs. It literally causes a recession. It's like putting the vice on your own head, tightening it, and then saying that removing it fixed all of our problems.
>>519983701Of course in the short term QoL would drop dramatically as the US economy reorients itself, but its like physical therapy after letting your muscles atrophy from disuse. Retraining will be extremely painful in the short term but the North American continent is so resource and land rich that it could be completely autarkic and have the highest standard of living in the world.America got to where it was after WW2 with an isolationist economy, in spite of its historically weak government and haphazard capitalism, because of that immense natural wealth. The Puritans sincerely believed they were the new Israel because America's bountiful lands seemed like a providential gift from God
>>519972898all the MIGAtards thought Trump was bringing back manufacturingthe lowest iq idiots in the world
>>519982511>he doesn't knowkekROFL
>>519972898Because corporations would rather burn the earth to a cinder than pay good wages.
well?
>>519972898cool wrong youtube opinion you got there
>>519973082Doesn't hurt when half the country got easily gaslit into believing they were a tax on Americans and the poor abused multinational companies that outsourced to foreign slaves were forced to pass on their cost to the consumer q.q until such a time when orange man is dead and they can ease off (partially), you know, because they care about you getting the best (cheapest) products for a fair (most profitable) price
the funniest part is the "we are gonna bring jobs and industry bac-oops, fuck local farmers lmao, here ya go argentina
>>519972898https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/24/business/economy/companies-have-shielded-buyers-from-tariffs-but-not-for-long.htmlHey wait a minute.If people aren't experiencing tariffs yet....then that means it is the companies just using it as an excuse to charge up the prices!OH MY GO-was anyone actually surprised by this? Like really? Just as dumb as leftists going "No one knows what tariffs ackshully do" nonsense.
>>519972898Unions and minimum wage ensure the US will never reindustrialize, not sure what drumpf was thinking there. It was probably more about shorting stocks or something
>>519972898>Everything in a jewtube video is real
>>519987688lmao what does literally any of that matter if the end consumer is still paying extra. if tariffs help, why is coffee up 20%, why is beef up 10%. why have groceries gone up.what does "its saving us money" actually mean when an american goes to the grocery store and finds out it costs more.what was the point of the tariffs, if instituted the tariff, increased the cost
>>519972898MIGA!
>>519988153Us was a industrial giant back when unions were powerful. I can't wait until low IQ idiotic libertarians just die
>>519972898at least baron trump was able to scam $80 million from the public!!!so there's that, which is nice said no one ever
>>519988453Producing things in America is extremely expensive due to the high value of the USD abroad, so cheaper manufacturing and consumables will spike the hardest. Especially stuff like coffee that isn't or can't be grown in America
>>519988538the tariffs were always a cover for the blockade due to israel's actions in the genocide of the gaza concentration camp
>>519989723oh. i didnt know columbian coffee was grown in america. my mistake
>>519989775the blockade caused 100s of billions in losses in maritime trade
>>519989971Sounded to me like you needed to be handheld through why tariffs cause inflation because it should be obviousIts baked into the cake that reindustrialization will be extremely painful but it has to happen at some point
>>519976802>Imagine a country with zero industry in it trying to strong arm a country with a lot of industry and manufacturing in it, it simply does not work and only causes to the industrial country to laugh at the country with zero industry in it.and that's why they are throwing everything into AI>>519978957>Yeah but you can create that sense of identity through a race-class war against the oligarchs and Jewsthat'll start any day now>Imagine having a president that campaigned on taking the US navy and blowing up every tax haven around the worldlmao>And automation has made it such that you don't need to have a huge population employed in manufacturing to be self sufficientwhere's the automation-industry of the US dough?>>519979433>How the fuck has China experienced the economic miracle of the last 50 years if your retarded statement had any truth to it? How has any country ever developed?if you come from (near) zero, any increase seems like an astronomical improvement
>>519987297N
>>519973082Yes you need a king. Obviously. And that faggot kikesucker isn’t man enough for the job
>>519991479>that'll start any day nowAlready happening actually. Nice arguments btw>where's the automation-industry of the US dough?Where's the incentive? US can just import shit from elsewhere by exporting USDA high wage scenario through labour scarcity forces innovation on automation to increase productivity of workers, and this happens naturally when the borders are closed and resources/land of the country allow the economy to continue growing naturally
>>519973082Biden was basically the result of "them" trying to wait out the clock Trump-style policy, but 1. it obviously failed, 2. Biden actually kept the tariffs, added subsidies for strategically relevant industries (CHIPS Act), and funded new infrastructure, and 3. COVID and the War in Ukraine made everyone who hadn't already figured out that globalized markets don't work as well as has been claimed and that strategic imperatives trounce any sort of ideological commitment to free trade.
>>519992091>Already happening actually.sure
>>519978521>America does not have the human capital to reindustrializeWhat a load of shit. This country is swimming in talent. It's rotting on the vine being stuck in services and retail, because employers are too cheap, lazy, and delusional to attract, train, and retain workers.
>>519972898>It didnt happen in 8 months>it's over, better just drop the tariffs on china and their proxies I guessLolz, not happening, Dong.
>>519992696Unfortunately I don't see the RW actually doing the right thing, all the incentive structures are in the direction of infinite visajeets because the wage floor for American graduates is too high without heavy trade restrictionsPutting tariffs on lower level manufactured stuff is one thing, but America's white collar service industry is like 3x its manufacturing industry and that's where the real high paying jobs are. Big capital will fight tooth and nail to keep their visajeet inflow
>>519979694they could just take all your fucking money. would work pretty good i say
>>519973192wasn't it just a few months ago these Trump dick suckers were saying we were going to all work in iPhone factories for generations?
>>519992696Okay and how are you going to force US companies to spend their money to train people? The public already largely decided not to gamble training themselves via college because that got too expensive. So what do you do?I always see people identifying the problem but never any workable solutions
Another good way to fak china, is to not simply remove money out of china, but to flow it somwhere else, ie another poor shithole, probably non threatening. Basically another poor asian country that can do the work?
>>519994211Trump will write a post on twitter
>>519989723american can manufacture what it consumes for itself. it only needs third worlders fo sell shit to the third world. what do third worlders buy?
>>519973286Countries have dollars and goods. Their goods have intrinsic value and, as such, are in demand. Their dollars are pieces of paper that can only be traded for goods from that country, giving them limited value. The US's dollars, however, have value everywhere, and can be traded for things like oil. This means to buy from the US you must give up your US dollars, a very valuable resource and simultaneously to get more dollars is give us something you can produce with more efficiency than us. Tariffs make it harder to get dollars by increasing the cost of your goods. With fewer dollars, you're less likely to splurge on purchases from the US and will instead save your US dollars for the essentials.
>>519994211Tariffs are a start, so are industry subsidies. Erecting long term barriers to trade will force them to put production here, while subsidies will sweeten the deal. We did this through most of the 19th and 20th centuries. It's how we industrialized in the first place.
>>519994452>you have to give us dollars so we can buy your things with said dollars you osund like the guy pretending welfare costs 0 because it goes back into the economy
>>519993978This is why slopulism is bad, normgroids don't understand these complex topics and you have to pitch them over simplified solutions to win their votesUnfortunately the educated class is also retarded, just in a different way, and their incentive structure runs completely contrary to what would benefit 95% of the population>>519994432It can but it would be a massive hike in costs, and America becoming economically self sufficient would kill the main incentive for using USDs globally, which is access to the American consumer market for your goods and services. Once dedollarization starts, it will snowball super fast, because the US weaponizing its reserve currency status via sanctions already gives countries a major push
>>519994840do you remember what haoppened to the last guy that tried to get out of petrodollar?
>>519994840Did we not have protectionist trade barriers (and a trade surplus) between 1945 and 1985?
>>519972898who cares? I didn't want to work at a factory anyways
>>519994985The petrodollar is a meme, Saudi has already signalled its leaving the petrodollar and US capital markets barely nudged. USDs dominate ~90% of foreign exchange transactions, because both parties in a given trade know the other has USDs and will use them with other countriesSo instead of Vietnam giving Australia Vietnamese dongs in exchange for Australian dollars, both sides settle their trade in USDs so, if Australia has a trade deficit with Vietnam, it can recuperate that deficit by having a trade surplus with another country rather than having to have totally balanced trade in order to not disrupt the exchange rate between their currencies>>519995138The US took down its tariffs after WW2 in an agreement called GATT, and it didn't matter initially because the world was blown to shit and only the US had industrial capacity. And when Europe caught back up, their living standards weren't far off enough from the US to seriously imbalance trade. The problems started when countries with huge underutilized labour pools like China liberalized trade and capitalists took advantage of the vastly lower labour costs
>>519972898It is happening just not in the way the study is trackingWe have already investment in chips being made in the US
>>519973082Imagine being a CEO who’s a slave to your quarterly earnings calls, market perception, board, and stock price, everyone wants growth and now. Waiting 3 years is tough. Considering how poorly the dems did last time, waiting another 7 is really tough. You forget how short-sighted they are.
>>519972898The mistake is assuming they were ever supposed to benefit anyone other than Trump himself.
>>519995541This is going to massively benefit China btwTaiwan was given semiconductor manufacturing by the US in order to give the rest of the world an excuse to keep trade lines open after the PRC was recognized as solely representing China diplomatically. If the US replaces them with domestic production, there will no longer be any reason for the rest of the world to trade with Taiwan and they will become economically isolated, as nobody wants to risk trade retaliations by ChinaYet again more retarded slopulist foreign policy
>>519995464who gives a fuck about markets. this is about WAR.also why do u think the bitcoin dollar will leave its all star status because of some measly tariffs and why do u act like china is the center of the world.if u didnt tarrifs them also they would make more money, then they could buy shit to China, which would defeat the purpose pof tariffs?
>>519995719>>519995719How is it even comparable?The idea america doesn't make its own technology is a huge national security risk. Even if your libtard nightmares come true it's not even on the same planet in terms of risk to the country
>>519995819This has been explained a whole bunch of times already, MamadouAccess to the US consumer market is highly sought after because USDs always have value as a medium of exchange, but that's dependent on the US being one of the easiest markets to enter and interact with internationally, especially for soliciting capital investment. Its a self reinforcing mechanismIf you choke off access to the US market through tariffs, that eliminates one of the biggest incentives for trade in USD. Liquidity dries up because the tap from the US consumer to the rest of the world gets turned off>>519996187Oh no, I agree with you here, don't get me wrong. From a purely domestic POV this makes sense. But that concession was given to Taiwan for geopolitical purposes, in order to keep its economy viable. Now without the semiconductor monopoly Taiwan will collapse and China will annex it, probably through the KMT couping the government under an agreement with the CCP to govern Taiwan as a special administrative region like Hong Kong
Elites have fully integrated into the finance economy. They don't care if America's economy based on real capital collapses and it becomes a wasteland. They'll still be rich. The only way out of this is economic planning, but the government are market fundamentalists and refuse to do it.
>>519996354>Mamadouu already gave up wangdong? access to us consumer market is sought after because you can sell them things, they have money and people like money. they wont us dollars they dont have. that doenst mean the dollars will be worthless. if anytihng if you have les of it if will be worth more. because the US can always back it up because you live in a US worldjews jews jews trump jews epstein blackmail pedophilia israel white genocide racemixing immigration hedonism world government wef european commission IMF slavery epstein files howard lutnik inflation federal bank war trillion dollars freemasons atheists homosexuals psychopathy ignorance revolution purge government guillotine
>>519972945based
>>519996561Scarcity means the USDs are not as easy to quickly buy/sell on the forex market and disincentivizes parting with USDs for tradeThe whole point of the USD as a medium of exchange is that its value is relatively stable and its easy and convenient to convert into your local currency without it getting impacted by the transaction, unlike other smaller currencies
>>519973149there are two types of peopleones that can extrapolate from incomplete data
>>519975310Thanks bro. I also did my best to help in another sector, but in current "society" things have gotten very ossified and rigid. Thanks for trying, though; I know it is frustrating and don't worry about anything. It is their fault for being stupid, greedy cowards and they deserve the present and future completely.
>>519972898>CHINA NUMBA WO-ACK
>>519972898WHY AREN'T TARIFFS WORKING ?Coz Orange Man is an uneducated nigger
>>519972898what the west should soon realizeis inferior dumb chink bugs can do great things because they dont have kikes, sand niggers and niggers fucking shit up.the white world needs to shed these cancers and regain the top spot.
>>519998232Deflation "spirals" are based on the idea that when people see falling prices, they'll wait before buying because they expect prices to fall further. It's silly logicTrue deflationary traps were due to the gold standard because gold would suck the liquidity out of the economy in economic downturns, when you have fiat currencies that's a non-issue
>>519972898They are working. The pedophile blackmail mafia is raking in trillions in bribes and kickbacks.
Trump tricked poor people into embracing regressive tax reform to fund tax cuts for the rich.
>>519972898>His source is a YouTube click farmerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLDR_NewsAre you fifteen?
>>519973192>Its a very difficult situation to be inNot really, just stop giving money to Israel, Ukraine, Argentina, and pedophile Jews, cut 90% of the golem military, no new ballrooms, stop letting Fed Jews print money, etc.
>>519993978Are all the trump dick suckers that were going to make iPhones in the room with us right now you pathetically mentally ill cluster b histrionic dipshit
>>519973082Basically this.Was my first thought, after orange nigger is out some weak maleable dummy will suceed him and then piss that industrial base away again. I wouldnt invest a penny in shartmerica. And if, only to suck more out of it.
>>519998136Appreciate it fren. I really did it my best shot, derailed my "career" and everything trying to get people to see reason. Even the few VCs who understood it (most of them are morons), wouldn't go against the system as it is because it would get them ousted. I don't have it in me anymore to care, just all out of fucks for years now.You sound like you've been through that hellscape yourself. The only way the system has a chance to change is when it collapses.
>>519972898still too many loopholes in the trade laws. Entrenched middleman boomers been selling this country out for the last 40 years and won't give up easily.
>>519972898lol
>>519972945baZed
>>519992696>This country is swimming in talent
>>519992470>globalized markets don't work as welglobalized markets do work well when the participants are deflationary but when every participant is inflationary trade has to be shuttered because too many countries can just ram debt into their ass.everything happened has lead to me being unable to buy hobby goods on eBay and it's probably cheaper now to get a plane ticket to the european country I'm trying to buy a trinket for the GF from. globalization of trade is good. globalists, globalized ideology and culture is giga retarded.
>>519972898Telling lies again? >USA wealth 160 trillion>China wealth 20-40 trillion (doubled in china & globo bullshit, non of which is true)Ack…Why chinkies always mention the US is they get that fed to them in their propaganda. Which was made up in the 1930’s in London by the Rothschilds scientists (pic). China is completely shit. And if you don’t stop lying I’m going to steal your penis. Loser.
>>520005720Wrong pic. Here’s the guy who made up China. Solly Zuckerman.Dicklets are just funny. China will never not be a load of shit. It’ll never do anything. Russia was fed atomic secrets in the 40’s onwards, they could never even feed themselves. China is similar but even more helpless and shitty and awful.
>>519997375good posts man i dont remember when i read something good in this shithole long time
>>519972898My favorite part is that muttoidica can't even manufacture half its shit itself so it has to import heavy machinery from overseas... and that machinery is tariffed.
>>519997375been lurking and I learned a lot, thanks for effort posting!
>>519998232oh nooo not only are groceries affordable, they are in fact going down in price!!!!!! This must be reversed at all costs!! - some Austrian school intern
>>519972898>why cant you fix what we broke over 65 years in 1 year. Good job drumpf
>>519973192If you are the global consumer economy you can set tariffs since there’s no other markets to sell their slop.All the predictions about Trump have been wrong. Let’s just stop with the lies okay Pudar?
>>519972898>TLDR News Global>Left-wing "news" from the UK
>>519972898Whites take the L again.
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>>519972898All I hear from Chinese people is about the plight of the Chinese economy.
>>519974284>no counterexample industriesHe's still winning the argument, kid.
>>519972898Because you went against Christian’s when you supported Fauci’s lies
>>519974901It's not a feasible plan even if it would take 10 years
>>519972898This is happening because US isn't the only game in town anymore, for example Cbina has been massively expanding in SA and it doesn't help this idiot put a 15% tariff on us, even more than Nicaragua the communist shithole.
>>519974392>trainingLet's say we were able to hire such foreign expertise from a place like Japan or Germany, and that we had just enough people from the remaining 10% to build an industrial base. What sector would be the most important to target that's not R&D for a dumbfuck war machine? How certain is a full bore economic collapse due to a total lack of industry? I think our (((service economy))) will stay mostly intact due to AI just automating what is mostly already automated.
>>519975585The idea of bringing back local manufacturing is noble, but his method was dumb as fuck. SUBSIDIZE, then after 10-20 years tariff or hit the corps with some kind of targeted tax. NO way would I give a shit if sales drop for a few years, as a multinational you expect and prep for that.
>>519972898Its been 9 months. How can you have a verdict on something that hasnt finished yet? This is something we wont see the maturity of for 10,20,30 years and its contingent upon other presidents willingness to continue industrializing.If we had a dictator it would unironically happen faster and better.
>>519973192>You can't use tariffs when you are the world reserve currencyWe already did before AVATARFAG>>519973529>>519975010>>519976514>>519977508>>519979613
>>519972898Believing China on anything.... Wow
>>519973660Wagecucks have no advantages over NEETs in SHTF scenarios. Cope.
>>519972898Daily reminder it takes announcing tariffs long beforehand and running them for decades for them to actually incentivize new domestic manufacturing capitalThe theoretical worst *possible* way to use tariffs is to change them frequently and unpredictably
Reminder industrialization literally means more immigration lol, if the history of labor in the early 1900s didn't teach you anything. Fun fact is nobody in the US wanted European poorfags flooding into the east coast to steal jobs when the economy was already struggling. Trumptards fell for it again.
>>519972898>Reindustrialization isn't happening What kind of bullshit demoralization propaganda is this? Has it even been a year? How much reindustrialization can possibly occur in the first year of a policy like this?
>>519973082Well then they can pay higher taxes :^)
>>519972945With the amount of wealth transfer to the top America is going to look more like Russia than anything. There will be a handful of richfags who own everything while the peasants live in a hellscape with crumbling infrastructure and no social services.Except in the Russians case they at least still have pensions and universal Healthcare and we arent even going to have that.
>>519973082This is why they put out the idea that he isn't gonna leave office by the way.
>>519972898Has there been any noticeable inflationary signs since all of this started? I haven’t noticed anything. I noticed prices at the pump go up after the latest round of Russian sanctions. But somehow someway this stuff that seems super important is just noise at least so far.
>>520017610a simple bullshit man you can figure out how good tarrifs are working by comparing numbers of newly opened or in progress business vs moved out of US
>>519973149Lathe deaths Vs time
>>519972898because, put very simply, you have to tariff all sources and means of sources regardless, and also penalize using tricks to get around the rules.
>>519973660>survivalist larper thinks his bunker will protect him from the brown horde
>>519972898>Trusting pro-CCP globalist propaganda Okay lol
>>520017610Operations like John Deere need thousands of parts manufactured from hundreds of sources across the world, with ever shifting tariffs depending on Sun King's mood that week.So they move their manufacturing to nearby Mexico, which has no tariffs, and now they can plan their production costs for the year, their international buyers don't have to check Twatter to see what El Grifto has done that morning, and American dealers just bite the bullet and mark the tractors up whatever percentage Don forces them to pay.Don's experience in "business" is real estate shenanigans, mostly in entertainment venues that are hard-pressed to ever lose money. Still bankrupted a few of them, but whatchagonnado?
>>519976349>sends our troops to fight our own citizensIf you obstruct deportations you're no country man of mine.
>>520017610It's effectively been 8 months. Somehow not fixing decades of failures is Trumps fault. Anyone capable of a modicum of thought knows that there will likely be a few years of pain in order to see results. Meanwhile, I work in manufacturing as a supplier of large industrial equipment. Major expenses for most companies. They are investing in themselves, but its going to take another year or two before it's really reflected anywhere. I've seen it before.
There is no demand for American products like there is for Chinese.
>>519973082This, and they also can't move their factories and infrastructure when the tariffs keep changing every week.If the goal is to move industry back to the States, this is the single most incompetent and retarded way to try achieving it.As such, I don't think it's the goal at all.The goal is to fleece American consumers and raising prices in stores to give the impression that the economy is going tits up.
>>520019109Number of CEOs willfully employing illegals sent to jail = 0Number of billionaire families penalized for moving their production facilities to SE Asia = 0We seem to be moving towards an America where insulting the Jew is a terrorist war crime that can get you rendered to a third world prison, where regular citizens are asked to pay extra taxes to "incentivize" the Oligarchs to move their production from "nearly free labor land" (how does that even work?) and where a fortune in taxpayer money is spent harassing the cities of Don's political rivals and further rigging the system for Big Corp. I presume this is what you voted for.
>>519972898He’s only been president for like 9 months. Directionally it’s still what I want. It’s like criticizing a first year student for not being a surgeon. Whether or not they get there, it’s still a foundational step.
>>519975488The only way for America to heal is that all trump supporters start getting slaughtered and exterminated in a civil war. You are a literal cancer that must be treated before the patient dies
>>520019233>Anyone capable of a modicum of thought knows that there will likely be a few years of painSo why is the pain being inflicted on the taxpaying workers, who had their jobs snatched away to make our wealthy families into generational billionaires, while those generational billionaires enjoy exciting new tax exemptions?Can you answer me that?
>>519972898The tariffs can't possibly not be working. They are guaranteed to be able to enforce them, like all other taxes.This is such a fucking stupid debate. Is income tax working? Is vat working? Are medicament patents working? Sure they are. All of this is being successfully enforced. Whether they're a good thing is a different story, of course they're not, because trade is better for the economy.
>>520019805Trump has always been the wrong answer to the right questions.
>>520019567Well? Gimme an answer smart guy >>520019702Why are the punitive steps being taken against the victims of globalization, with rewards handed out to the profiteers? Why is this a "good foundational step" towards anything?Explain to me how Christmas toys for kids costing 25% more at the store is moving things in the correct direction? Or is the limit of your intellectual superiority just "vague noises of approval at Donald's randumb waffling".
>>520019560The goal is to pump and dump the markets
>>520020108Honestly the goal seems to be to extract bribes and business opportunities for the Trump family, near as I can tell. And Don and his shitcoins are not exactly being coy about the bribery.
>>519975310Old post but I will throw in that it's happening now and market pressures like the RE export ban have been casus belli. There's a lot of money being invested in recapturing those capabilities. Most people don't understand how expensive manufacturing equipment is, not having it here is probably the biggest hurdle.
>>519973082Agreed which is why our system sucks. We need a king
>>519974392>that requires significant investment in trade schoolsSomething that should happen?
>>520022872>>519974392Forgot pic
>>519973192It's a total curse being the head of the Jewish empire and will only ever end badly for any nation that takes on the mantle. Their country means nothing. The only goals are Jewish profiteering, warmongering, and slavery. They enslaved us, and the people here have never recovered from it. It makes you a nation of permanent bootlickers who take as much shit as their rulers want to hand out.They hand out humiliation after humiliation and the public just gobbles it up and justifies it.Ask the Americans what they think about their country and they'll say it's the greatest country on earth.
>>520023835An entertaining number on this very board thing their Ultra-Jewmaxxing President is the greatest who's ever lived.
>>519973082>he thinks trump is going to vacate the white housekek you guys are not getting an election again you know that right?
>>519972898if they weren't working you wouldn't have so many people seething over them
>>520024308People are seething because it's only hurting people who work for a paycheck, the people who've long profited off this system don't really care, and Donald has given them gifts just in case they felt a little bad about it.You are exactly the sort of shit that pollutes this board. You yourself are an unhappy soul, who only takes satisfaction from other people's unhappiness. "People are angry, so it must be working!". Sure, for the same people it has always worked for.
>>519972898isnt that youtube channel directly funded by the EU? :O
>>520020082>can you explain why Trump isn't perfectly 100% completely everything you would ever want in life right now? hmmmm?Unless you're going to argue that Kamala Harris would better facilitate an "America first" policy than Trump, or otherwise be a better provider of what Trump voters voted for, I don't see the value of your question is. I can only vote for one of two people.Now if you were here saying, haha you had two people offering the exact same package, but you fucked up and picked the dud and missed out, you'd have a point.>Or is the limit of your intellectual superiority just "vague noises of approval at Donald's randumb waffling".OK so when the next reply you get is simply "you lost tranny" this is why. I'm here to chat insofar as it's stimulating and enlightening or whatever. People like you talk like you can cash out imaginary internet argument points for real-world outcomes, when you can just as easily be told to fuck off because you have no actual IRL recourse.
