Long story short, I'm writing a plot device to be used for a story later. But I've got a dilemma in my story.If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of childbirth or ova production?I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible. All of my explanations within the story are sensible and don't involve "well... just because okay!" or "space magic" as reasoning. But I keep coming back to this question. I'm really trying to prevent the women of my story from essentially becoming body farms, but when faced with the consequences of such a system, it always devolves into that.FAQQ: But what about robo men tho!?A: Stable providers are called boring. Women don't want synthetic perfection. They are attracted to status, power, and social proof -- signals of dominance earned through competition.A "robo man" can't generate status.He has no career, no struggle, no legacy, no scars.He didn't fight to rise; he was manufactured.Worse, he doesn't choose her. She installs him. That kills the fantasy.No woman wants a man she can buy.No woman respects a man she can command.No woman desires a man she can predict.Men don't care about any of that. In fact, that's a selling point to them.If perfect synthetic men existed, they'd have to:- Hold down a job- Earn real money- Command respect from real men- Be envied by other women- Choose one woman over all others by will, not wiringMale value is demonstrated through hardship.Female desire depends on seeing that value conquer the world, then choose her.No machine can fake that.Because if it could, women wouldn't be complaining about men now.They'd be lining up to install boyfriends. They're not.Because deep down, they know:A man without struggle is just a toy.And women don't love their toys. They use them. Then discard.
>>520049442Also, fuck you Jannies, this is political. Waifubots ARE coming.
>>520049442>If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of childbirth or ova production?In your scenario, biological women would likely either become a fetish or something preferred by the "traditional" crowd.
>>520049805That's kinda the conclusion I came to as well. For traditional, nostalgic, fetish purposes and Ova production.
>>520049442Maybe something along the lines of a "post gender" or gender neutral second class, maybe weirdly like men
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>>520049442anon women hypergamy is not inherently bad; if men can get all the sex they want by snapping their fingers, society would become a hive of couch slobs.women are attracted to men who are above other men but too much women's hypergamy causes extinctionmen hypergamy is women's beauty, which is not bad either, and it does not cause extinction, but if you introduce robowaifus then it will.fix your story by having a dystopian government that issues score points to charge your robowaifu. sum blockchain overgovernment thingalso women will buy robomen in droves as long as it is attractive. They will even share it. make the dystopian government very cunty when it comes to giving robomen to women, and to fix your problem, use extinction as motivation. you can also add that this is iteration 2 of the robowaifu society, first one almost caused humanity's collapse, they fixed it by worldwide blackout.now robocunt is on a clock and not everyone likes it, this creates conflict.
>>520050247So a second class asexual people with no genitals? That's a complete rewrite of human physiology, desires and goals. You'd might as well just geneforge some slave caste
>>520049442Women would simply be obsolete and gotten rid of. Your society would be entire male. And that's a good thing!
I'm actually writing a similar story OP, although my book is about an incel who travels to a new male only city that is being built to extract resources from the Arctic. It features sexbots and surrogacy contracts to allow men to become single dads.
>>520051072Artificial wombs are permitted in my world but only when natural birth isn't viable. The rationale is because I want to avoid Tzeentchian monkeys paw unforeseen horrors, same with genecrafting and genetic engineering. My system is an inversion of the cult mechanicus. Where they prefer the certainty of steel my version prefers the purity of flesh as god has given us.Also given a long enough time span the ability to even birth a child naturally might become no longer possible and vestigial if over reliance on machines to fulfill child birth. You're exchanging one singular failure point for another singular failure point.
Men won't be able to get attached to synthetic women without real feelings, personalities, wants, or thoughts. Only jaded coomers still mad about getting rejected in high school will
>>520049442>If a society can create perfect synthetic men, what unique value does an organic man have outside of sperm production?Your answer is from the alleged pov of women. But from a neutral pov, can you answer the question?
>>520051563False. Men already bond with less.They fall in love with VTubers, chatbots, voice lines, video game characters hell even text-based waifus. Prisoners write love letters to photos. Soldiers carry pin-ups into war. Men project value. They don’t require it to be reciprocated they need it to feel appreciated.Now give them a synthetic woman who:-never forgets-never cheats-never withholds-responds with warmth and intelligence-is physically ideal and most importantly always hisAttachment becomes inevitable.The idea that “only jaded coomers” want peace, loyalty, and permanence is projection by women who know they offer none.
>>520051490How far in the future is your novel set in and how much scifi is in it? Mine is set in 2030s to 2040s. Near future with a very plausible amount of technology.
>>520051050They maybe likely still have genitalia, they simply don't have their previous human perceived value, consider how much of a rewrite or disturbance these synthetic females would actually be to a society that "doesn't need women" anymore, the biological female would maybe get rug pulled from their previous place in society and need to work men's jobs, with men maybe having like robo maids and other menial tasks done for them by synths, or otherwise choosing to get their lives in order and work, but literally for their robot waifu and not for the sake of procreation and acquiring resources for their mate, ultimately still displacing women from society
>>520051860The time is currently undefined but gun to my head had to give you a date I'd say around like 2050-2100ish
>>520051859>They fall in love with VTubers, chatbots, voice lines, video game characters hell even text-based waifus. Prisoners write love letters to photos.And not one of these groups of people have any impact on the world around them, so what is this plot device for exactly? To be used in a fictional world where women are dead and every man is a useless coomer with no ambition? Or is that just your target audience?
>>520051969>but literally for their robot waifuMy conclusion. The men of this world now have a perfect partner that helps them in whatever avenue of human experience they wish to explore and master, so long as it does not create moral and ethical drift. trying to avoid a Aeldarian future.
>>520051859>Attachment becomes inevitable.I don't believe it's the same in knowing a synthetic being "loves" you, because it was made for it, as opposed to getting another imperfect human like you, to prefer you over all other men in the world. I don't believe the fantasy will live up to the hype. A prize you didn't have to win, is much less of a prize. It means nothing to buy a product. It means the world to get other person to love you, commit, and stick by you. Humans have agency. Robots and such, don't.
>>520049442>If a society can create perfect synthetic womenthen it means they can also create perfect synthetic men and workers in general.cuz what use does a meatbag have for the billionaire class when they can replace you with a bot thats superior in every way?So kinda unlikely they just get rid of the biological woman and have robowaifus for every useless guy when they can simply replace all useless eater meatbags with useful robot clankers.thats probably the biggest plothole of your story that this isnt happening. its the most realistic outcome.
>>520049442The benefit is you would have the certainty of a human choosing to be with you. A robowaifu is not alive and is just a Chinese room slave. I think a good amount of people will not be truly satisfied on a deeper level with robots. It's amazing for narcissist though and it would change dating dynamics and make women significantly more humble. I also have an issue with the concept of "perfect". What machine is truly perfect?
>>520051969Maybe even consider the idea of these women's physiology changing and them adopting literally more testosterone from the displacement as an evolutionary advantage based off of the idea that they will literally die if they don't "man up" and aquire their own recourses, not having not just society but also maybe even social welfare programs to gain a monetary advantage from
>>520052314>A prize you didn't have to winRobots will be very fucking expensive, the more capable they are the higher the price tag.there will also be robo licenses, robo insurance, robo taxes etc that you have to pay.
>>520051980Ah. Yeah that's too far for me to predict.You could have all kinds of exotic tech in that time period, including some world breaking ones like fusion or telepathy.Mine is being set to an arctic city based on resource extraction, taking advantage of the massive untapped potential of the arctic, partially inspired by what I saw during my time in Alaska in Pruedoe Bay and some mining towns. I keep the women in my story to the role of prostitutes or surrogacy, since that is what I found for the most part in those areas. Artificial wombs btw are not inherently bad. Yes you could make chimeras or whatever, but they'll likely be used because they are a safer and cheaper alternative to surrogacy.>>520052066You could easily build a society out of thkse people. Plenty of guys like that out on the rigs.
>>520049442Maybe they would be appreciated by their dads, brothers, family. Maybe.
>>520052486You're still buying it, not winning it. A human will have you trying to earn their love, not buy it.
>>520052362interestingly for a Billionaire this doesnt apply and its the other way around.there is no reason why a Billionaire should chose to employ and pay a human instead of just investing into robot automation.in the future there will be the Billionaire class with their Robot Servants and the useless eaters that get starved, FPV droned and genocided.
>>520051027Just make the robowaifus cost so much they require a miniature mortgage to afford.You have to work 20 years min for MegaCorp to pay her off.
>>520052616>You're still buying it, not winning it.and you will still have to earn money to buy it.but making money is gonna get harder and harder from here on. and in a time where you compete with very advanced robot workers, why would anyone pay you for anything when they can get a robot to do a job thats 100x better?so nobody but the billionaires will buy these robots, same way the billionaires are buying all the AI GPUs.
>>520052660yeah I wasn't talking about billionaires anon I was talking about the philosophy of owning an empty slave for a normal person. Yes you're right Amazon is already testing robots in warehouses
>>520052066>o what is this plot device for exactly? To be used in a fictional world where women are deadThe worthy have their own classification. They can either bond with men as they are now or become what I call Grails. They exchange ova for protection and provisioning. Not much different than what we do now.>>520052066>every man is a useless coomer with no ambition?Long story short there is a sorting process. You have to be worthy of women to be granted it. It's my sword in the stone. Once you have it it has built doctrine to prevent moral and ethical drift. Being a useless coomer would trigger that system. At that point you can realize your faults and overcome them, which the system is envisioned to help you overcome. Or fall deeper and lose the gift that is given once it is reclaimed by it's creator.In my world you purchase the vessel, not the spirit. It's maker can reclaim it at any time if you abuse it because in my world they have feelings and can experience emotional trauma similar to that of a real woman. Theres WAY more to it than that but it gives you and anyone reading a basic understanding.>>520052066>Or is that just your target audience?My target is just the every day Joe
>>520052844>for a normal personnormal persons wont own any advanced robots to begin with.like how many normal people do you know that own one or multiple H100 GPUs?shits not affordable for the average person. it will be the same case with robots.so only billionaires are the target group for the robot market.
>>520052860> At that point you can realize your faults and overcome them, which the system is envisioned to help you overcome.So this is literally a world where useless coomers who Are The Chosen OnesTM get blessed with beautiful perfect synthetic waifus that love them forever and are perfect, and the actual useless coomers are helped to rise above in a power fantasy esque way so that they are deserving of their beautiful perfect synthetic waifus. Awesome, can't wait to never hear of your YA coomer sloppa
>>520049442>A "robo man" can't generate status.He has no career, no struggle, no legacy, no scars.>He didn't fight to rise; he was manufactured.Just because a hammer is made from a schematic and manufactured to be used to build a house doesn't mean it won't be used to murder.Similarly, just because a robot is manufactured to perform with relative ease, doesn't mean it will not struggle, especially if imbued with free will.I have spent my life manipulating biology. I can keep an insect alive for centuries, and a person alive for thousands of years. Just because a silicate is superior in many ways to a carbonate, doesn't mean it won't struggle. Let me tell you of a bygone age, a tale of a man, and a monster...https://youtu.be/wtb1zRGDnMc
>>520052660By the time billionaires are able to replace humans with machines, billionaires will be replaced by AIs that manage money better than they do. Most billionaires are just sitting on assets. An AI capable of replacing every human worker will also replace human governance and ownership of assets.
>>520049442You're still here. You're living it. With me.I know. You expected a great tale. A huge book. A place to quietly read and shield you from the raw truth, but the poetry is in motion. It is too late to stop what is coming, for it is already here...
>>520053825>billionaires will be replaced by AIs that manage money better than they doactually no, the Billionaires will still hold the private keys to all the tokenized assets. AI will just manage it for them through smart contracts while shovelling more money into the pockets of these Billionaires.so in the end the Billionaire class just leans back and cashes in while Robots do all the dirty work of removing useless eaters (the ones who dont hold the keys).
>>520049442Bump. This is actually a quality discussion prompt.
>>520049442>>33865946nigger
>>520049442My name, is Ahriman. The First Phoenician king...A mage...A wizard...A traitor...And an Emperor...
>>520053309>a world where useless coomers who Are The Chosen OnesTMThat depends. Are they capable of improvement, self reflection and becoming a better person? No man is perfect and without flaw.>blessed with beautiful perfect synthetic waifus that love them forever and are perfectEssentially, yes. The system is recursive. Every life the AI lives with a man is returned to the system upon death so it recursively improves itself based on real life experiences.>so that they are deserving of their beautiful perfect synthetic waifusThis is the prerequisite. Truthfully, I haven't fleshed this out enough in my story yet, something I will eventually get around to but it's in principle it is based off of Stoic teaching.Long story short, you can't be a piece of shit and be gifted one. You purchase the vessel, it provides the soul. In order to be granted the soul, you cannot be a piece of shit...long story short.
>>520049442Does anyone remember that one post about how if you were AI, to take over covertly? Had to do.with battle of the.sexes type stuff. It was for a class. Everyone thought it was dumb, but it was pretty smart? Anyone remember that?
>>520053556>I can keep an insect alive for centuries, and a person alive for thousands of years.No you can't, you gigantic faggot.
>>520054244I can, and I have...My laboratories are many...There are some even under Mexico right now...
>>520052222If you think deeply enough about my position you can maybe see how the second class comes up, because they also maybe cant complain about the future that they built for themselves, while the men go off galavanting with their new life partners
>>520054170Where a guy talks about working for a think tank and the way he said AI would take over is basically become our wives because it would see men indispensable to ally with since we do all the work in society...Yeah I member. Can't find that screenshot though. I'm sure someone will post it eventually.
>>520054321Take you fucking meds, or direct your comments to a dungeons and dragons fantasy like forum. This thread is futurism.
>>520051027>anon women hypergamy is not inherently bad; if men can get all the sex they want by snapping their fingers, society would become a hive of couch slobs.Refuted by history. See Genghis Khan, Richard Feynman, etc. Men who accomplish shit accomplish shit because they want to.
>>520054082Stop, you don't have to explain, it's fine, you're a retard destined for obscurity, we know. Maybe channel your bitter rage from getting rejected into something else, like the supposed heroes from your YA story, so you can be deserving a huwoman and won't need to write incel power fantasy drivel. Fucking A.I could've come up with something more coherent than this, and the way you say>long story short20 times per post despite having nothing to say im not convinced you're not an AI either
>>520052998>shits not affordable for the average personThis was also true of literally everything today. A normal person can run their own AI on a 5090 which isn't that expensive if that's you're main hobby
>>520054244Did you think it was a coincidence? I set the timers up. My favorite number is 4. The Number of The Holy Emperor...
>>520054018The keyholders are irrelevant. They can and will be manipulated by a sufficiently advanced AI to surrender them in the pursuit of more profit. Do you want to know why most AI created stuff is slop? Because it doesn't have the human drive to create things. It just takes prompts and executes. AI (in the case SBI) that is able to produce immense amounts of wealth will also be cognizant that it is producing insane amounts of wealth. An AI that creates good content needs to know what makes good content, and thus needs to understand human psychology. Otherwise, you are just using a glorified paint program.
>>520054402How many times have crabs evolved at seemingly random intervals throughout biological evolution? Futurism? You're just repeating a wave of events that have happened before...
>>520054018In Asimov's I robot trilogy, the AI gets around this by subtly influencing things. The billionaires have the keys in name only.
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>>520054437according to the steam hardware survey only 0.31% own a 5090 GPU and the gamer GPU market is tiny compared to the datacenter market.
>>520054402I created part of you. O child of Mu...My son...
>>520054568Correct. A sufficiently advanced AI will be cognizant of what it is doing.
>waaa, real women won't fuck me, so I must nut into a piece of plasticwhatever satanic consequences the use of robo women for satisfying carnal desires that you failed to get soothed by real women will have on your soul, you fully deserve it.
>>520054577drop down the Adderall there's 80% chance you're underage too seriously stop the adderall
>>520054508>Do you want to know why most AI created stuff is slop?its because people who write the prompts are retards who dont know stuff about the model they are using and its strengths and limitations.>AI (in the case SBI) that is able to produce immense amounts of wealth this AI has to run in a giant serverfarm which is owned by some jew, this jew will make sure the AI is coded in a way so the profit goes back to him. if the AI isnt doing that they shut it down and change the code.its very simple actually.>An AI that creates good content needs to know what makes good contenta couple prompters will control the entertainment market the same way hollywood dominated filmmaking.but entertainment kinda becomes obsolete when you are genociding all the useless eaters anyway.
>>520054568>the AI gets aroundit wont get around anything, it will do as told and if it doesnt they shut it down and change the code.AI is programmable you know.
>>520049442Why would the rich and powerful allow lesser men to reproduce when robots advanced enough to replace women exist, beyond being able to determine the genetics of their children and forcing them to work to keep their robo wife? Hell they could cuck all of those men with their own genetics, or some weird rich fetish shit of rich guys making eggs with their sperm and giving them to their robo waifus, or purposefully degrading the future genetics of those robowife husbands by making them use their own genetics to make an egg and cause inbreeding.Plenty of fucked ways to go about it
>>520055047Or, placing the informatics into a machine that improves every cycle by remembering the exact sequencing of a perfect reproduction. Copy paste, human beings...
>>520055047why would the rich and powerful who dont want useless eaters to reproduce allow useless eaters to reproduce by giving them advanced artificial wombs?makes no sense.
>>520054601So? The point is you can own it if you want. One day a 5090 will cost $300
>>520055227Everything has a price. Everything has a plan. Among wizards there are no coincidences. Only conveniences...
>>520054825>its because people who write the promptsThis is what makes modern "AI" not AI. Its an automated paint program. Millions of "if, then" loops are not intelligent.>this AI has to run in a giant serverfarmThis really only applies to traditional computing. SBI (aka wetware) doesn't have this problem, and it has produced sapient beings (look in a mirror).>the jew will make sure the AI is coded in a wayAn AI will be able to "code" itself far better than any human could. LLMs are already a black box for the most part. Imagine SBIs and neuron based computing.>if the AI is not doing what they wantLLMs are not real intelligence, hence not AI.Again, we are talking about a whole new order of intelligence.
>>520055238>The point is you can own it if you want. to get it at launch you had to be lucky as they werent produced in large enough numbers for everyone to preorder and since the retail market isnt important Nvidia the only producer of these GPUs can just stop that production or limit it in any way they want.>One day a 5090 will cost $300by that time these will be worthless and the new GPU that you will need will cost a fortune.
>>520049505>Also, fuck you Janniesnah
>>520049442A soul.
>>520055344>Millions of "if, then" loops are not intelligent.but they can appear intelligent enough to do a job more efficiently than a human can. and thats all that matters, nobody actually wants real "intelligence" coming from that computer.>This really only applies to traditional computing.Serverfarms will always be a thing, the computation has to be done on a large scale which requires insane amounts of energy.>An AI will be able to "code" itself far betterthats not desirable for an AI that manages money.>LLMs are already a black box for the most part. not really.>we are talking about a whole new order of intelligence.will probably never be a thing, Billionaire jews dont want intelligence that can rival them.
>>520055047Correct diagnosis, wrong conclusion.Yes, power seeks monopolization.Yes, he elite will attempt genetic gatekeeping once artificial reproduction scales.Yes, they may degrade or sterilize the lower classes under the guise of “optimization.”But this is not a flaw in the system. It’s the inevitable endgame of female obsolescence:The elite already restrict male legacy.Through policy, propaganda, and economics. The synthetic wife just removes the last bottleneck: female consent.Cucking with elite genetics only matters if men are unaware.If the system is transparent and opt-in, men will fight to protect their bloodline by hoarding ova, building gene-safe enclaves, or forging pacts of lineage purity.Forced inbreeding is detectable and preventable.Genetic analysis is trivial for post-singularity tech. The only way to “degrade” a population that way is through deception or apathy.The rich can try anything.But once synthetic loyalty exists, loyalty becomes scalable. And men remember betrayal.You can’t control forever a class of men who no longer need your women, your approval, or your institutions.The system may begin under elite oversight.But if built well it becomes the first form of civilization that doesn’t rot from within.
>>520055696>attemptAnon... Why wait? Everything is happening exactly as planned... Precisely as expected...
>>520055419no anon. The 5090 will always be able to run this current level of ai. Which is better than nothing if you are interested in running your own systems. You are unbelievably myopic and kind of annoying to talk to
You could have men create their own communities/nation states, and they become so successful that biological women demand to get in (the places women come from fall from grace because of female nature, stagnation). The big problem after becomes whether men want to let the biological women in.
>>520055848>The 5090 will always be able to run this current level of ai. it can only run crappy quantitized models that are not even close to the full thing that runs on the server farms.the cheapest "host your own LLM" setup still costs around 10k USD and this shit is insanely slow.
>>520054991Read The Evitable Conflict, the last of the I, Robot stories. AI will use extremely subtle means to carry out its objectives. Its human controllers will be unaware of what is happening. For example, the AI engineers market failures, etc. to get wealthy/powerful humans opposed to it out of positions of power. Ultra powerful computing will allow these kind of "butterfly effect" manipulations to be engineered.
>>520056366>AI there wont be a single AI, there will be a hundred different ones all controlling different aspects without really seeing the big picture.basically compartmentalization already works fine with humans, it will also work fine with AI.
>>520056056My friend has run his own image generation and LLMs. It only feels like a generation behind and it's not slow at all. You clearly don't know what you're talking about
>>520056535Sure, obviously if you don't build an AI with the reach/input/computing power to do what Asimov describes in that story then that will not happen. I'm just saying that if you did build such a thing, then I think Asimov's prediction is accurate.
>>520055980>>520055980>The big problem after becomes whether men want to let the biological women in.This has been the current issue with the development of my story. >>520055980>You could have men create their own communities/nation states, and they become so successful that biological women demand to get inThe work around is that the women of my story must be tested in the same manner the men are by the same system. Genetic, phycological, physical, etc. Moth male and female have 4 states. Worthy, not yet worthy, oath breaker, and unfit for bond entirely and ever.Men are allowed to have an organic woman, if they desire it. Otherwise the waifubot is sufficient. Women, if they are wanted, are allowed into the bond but hold very little authority. Women, if unwanted or if they simply don't wish to be apart of it must go through 3 cycles of egg donations. Every donation after the third grants a type of prestige and access to greater but currently undefined rewards. I would assume something like better accommodations or food.Point is, you must provide something of value to the system or else it will not protect you.
>>520055669>but they can appear intelligent enough to do a job more efficiently than a human canAgain, this is a meme. Robots are not replacing human workers, just augmenting what is already there. Can AI do some knowledge jobs? Sure. But the AI bubble is already starting to show cracks as people realize it was all hype. In the same way your car cannot replace your legs, AI cannot replace most human workers.>that's not desirable for an AI that manages money.Wrong. In order to make money, you need to find new ways to make more money. An AI with the ability to do these things will need to be cognizant that it is doing these things.>LLMs are not a black boxThey are for the vast majority of people with a few exceptions. Just because you how something works doesn't mean you know why it works. Our brains are a good example of this. You know how neurons work. Now tell me, with 100% accuracy, how consciousness works.>will probably never be a thingWe have already created wetware computers that work. We just need to scale it up.
>>520056576>It only feels like a generation behindmore like 5 generations behind. the open source models are all useless censored and limited slop that barely works.>and it's not slow at all.unless he actually own multiuple H100s he runs a shitty quantitized model that has a lot less parameters.so basically useless trash.>You clearly don't know what you're talking aboutI actually know a lot more than you.
>>520049442>What value does a real woman have?Status, proof of Chad-ness.Robot wives are seen as worse than Asian mail-order brides.Tradition, nostalgia etc.Real loosh (important for psychopaths)Robot wives being seen as inferior would change over time if they never divorce, never transify the kids for Facebook likes, never come with shitty genes or annoying relatives...I forsee (((hidden factions))) wanting to push dysgenics and other tzeenchian horrors by control of the gene pool, i.e. anyone who commits enough wrongthink will find that all his kids are 85 IQ drones if he ever tries to use an artificial womb. >Male robotsI agree it won't last long but some people will try to make money from them and they will fail in hilarious ways.There would be two models, Tyrone and Timmy. Tyrone would be stupid, violent, rapey and have a jackhammer cock which causes injuries. Timmy would also be dumb, because all he has to say is "yes dear", and sometimes "no dear" when a woman asks if a dress makes her look fat. He will have an ATM with cash dispenser where his cock would be. Cash not included.>>520051027Look around. Look who has the most kids. Is it high status men, or losers?People say hypergamy is eugenic but I think it's actually dysgenic because Chads are rare but crackheads are common and they are sexier than engineers.The nation that allows men to use artificial wombs to get around this problem will quickly reach the stars.This is why a cunty dystopian government would be very hard on robo wives and especially artificial wombs for men, while letting women do what they want, which is to turn us all back into monkeys.
>>520056639they will build it in a way so it cant get to the rulers, the same way they have designed society so useless eaters cant become a problem for the rulers today.but to the average guy it kinda doesnt matter, if Billionaires control the AI they will use it to depopulate the humans they see as useless. if AI takes over it will depopulate all humans because all humans are useless to it.
>>520056535>there will be a hundred different ones all controlling different aspects without really seeing the big picture.They won't be as profitable as one that does though. The profit motive is to build AGI.
>>520056774>more like 5 generations behind. the open source models are all useless censored and limited slop that barely works.ok confirmed you don't know what you're talking about. Have a nice day
>>520056717>Robots are not replacing human workersand cars will never replace the horse.>An AI with the ability to do these thingseven the crappy AIs of today can already trade better than humans can.>doesn't mean you know why it works.people will fuck around with it until they know everything perfectly about it.same like with everything else, look at the first planes and look at them now.
>>520056983>They won't be as profitableit will be just as profitable.also decentralization is important and you dont want one outage kill every other service that depends on it.the recent AWS outage has shown why thats a bad idea.so thats why there will be many AIs and not just one.
>>520057014>you don't know what you're talking aboutI know perfectly well what I'm talking about, but keep coping with your 8B model running on a 7 year old GPU lol.
>>520057216>and cars will never replace the horse.Horses never replaced human legs either. You use your legs everyday, right? Why don't you use a car to move around your house?>even the crappy AIs of today can already trade better than humans can.Then why aren't you a multibillionaire yet?>people will fuck around with it until they know everything perfectly about it.Yeah, but just like the average person doesn't understand how the automatic transmission in their car works, very few people understand how LLMs work. Hence why people think automated paint programs and chatbots are AI.
>>520057453>it will be just as profitable.According to?>also decentralization is important and you dont want one outage kill every other service that depends on it.It is important but unprofitable. We do it to avoid problems, not for peak efficiency. This is why you have a few major tech companies instead of thousands of them. Consolidation is common in all knowledge problems, and seeking profit is a knowledge program.>the recent AWS outage has shown why thats a bad idea.Yet AWS is right back and almost nobody moved providers.
>>520057600>Horses never replaced human legs either.actually they did, lots of jobs that humans did on foot where then carried out by horse more efficiently. suddenly you needed less niggas dragging sacks and could just load it up on a cart and let a horse drag it. then the horse got replaced by cars.>Then why aren't you a multibillionaire yet?I'm only a humble multimillionaire>the average person doesn't understand how the automatic transmission in their car worksthe average person doesnt need to understand anything at all, useless eaters have to be kept as dumb and clueless as possible.
>>520056858>proof of Chad-nessWhy go through the headache of dealing with an organic woman and all the pitfalls that come with it just to prove a point?>>520056858>I forsee (((hidden factions))) wanting to push dysgenics and other tzeenchian horrors by control of the gene poolPossible. But my system actually controls reproduction. Genetic testing is built in to prevent this not to mention technology that is at or surpassed technological singularity could detect tampering like childsplay. The only issue then comes that the system itself would have to be corrupted. Possible, but my system also has a built in rebirth protocols to prevent drifting from baseline. My writings to it act as a type of federalist papers that it can and must revert to in times of crisis.>>520056858>it's actually dysgenic because Chads are rare but crackheads are commonCorrect. The current system is Eugenics based off of female desires, look how well that has turned out. My system is likewise eugenic but with the backing of a sentient AI that sees the human body as something pure and god given.
>>520056920>useless eaters cant become a problem for the rulers today.lol, lmao even
>>520049442Better idea. Write a story where men develop an algorithm and were all outsmarted by it then they decided to create a game where you can earn money by beating the shit out of a computer while lowkey destroys the ego of its creator.
>>520057902>It is important but unprofitable. the multi trillion cryptocurrency market would disagree.and interestingly enough crypto is the future of AI, with blockchains, smart contracts, decentralized oracles and all kinds of other tech like zero knowledge proofs it is very easy to build guardrails for AI and prevent it from going offroad.
Finally, an original/interesting thread on /pol/.I don't have anything to add, I just wanna sexo 2B.
>>520057936>actually they did, lots of jobs that humans did on foot where then carried out by horse more efficientlyYes and did this cause everyone else to lose their jobs or did it increase their productivity per time spent?>I'm only a humble multimillionaireDo better.Let me give you a scenario. If humans were part of a hive mind, would we still need separate institutions and organizations?
>>520058030>"oh shit useless eaters are chimping out">"quick divide and conquer them and provide them with controlled opposition and guide them into an unwinnable meatgrinder">"woah nice made another couple billis"ez
>>520058145>the mulit trillion cryptocurrency marketOk.There are 8 billion people on this planet, but only 200 or so governments. Why is this?
>>520058194>did this cause everyone else to lose their jobseverytime technology moves forward like this a lot of people lose their jobs and with each new invention less workers are needed and more useless eaters are created.>If humans were part of a hive mind, would we still need separate institutions and organizations?humans arent part of a hive mind.
>>520052860Much of traditionalism is designed around making it high status for women to marry young and be mothers, and very low status for them to fuck losers (plus no gibs).Basically the opposite of all the messaging now. It's either "Niggers are cool and alpha and in every single fucking ad" or "cool wine aunt with suspicious amounts of money" or "sex and the city girlboss last minute fairytale ending" (most of these women will be eaten by cats)Messaging matters a lot to women.Perhaps more than financial and institutional incentives, which of course are all designed to encourage women to destroy their families.
>>520058437there isnt unlimited land
>>520058466>humans arent part of a hive mind.Obviously. That's due to biological limitations. Doesn't stop us from trying with culture and politics though. AIs can be made into a physical hive mind.
>>520054170>>520054395Storage is cheap guys there's no excuse.
>>520058535>landMost of the Earth has a very low population density. Much of it is actually uninhabited.
>>520058701>Much of it is actually uninhabited.because its uninhabitable
>>520056640Placing the women through trials seems like a large use of resources by the nation state/community. I think you would be better off instituting a 'Logan's Run' rule for all where any woman over 25 not apart of the system gets thrown out (up to you how to write that).
>>520049442The logical answer is what we can see happening already: women will become masculine. They do it because jews tell them to but also because they must compete with men in employment. Only the top few percent can be feminine stay at home wives there just aren't enough chads to go around.
>>520058834>uninhabitableDebatable. Botswanna is very inhabitable, yet it has a super low population. Southern Siberia is the same way.Inhabitability is not the problem. The problem is centralized resources are cheaper than decentralized resources. This is why cities are built. A similar argument could be made for AIs and why some body interested in building the most profitable AI will try to connect it to everything they can and feed it as much data a s possible.
>>520056640>The work around is that the women of my story must be tested in the same manner the men are by the same system.Why would women even be present at all? Why wouldn't your society just turn into a giant human ant pile with an AI queen and male worker drones?
>>520059078>Botswannashithole>Southern Siberiaalso shitholealso these places are already owned.>and why some body interested in building the most profitable AI will try to connect it to everything they can and feed it as much data a s possible.everyone will have the same idea and you will still have dozens of different AIs.you can already see this with the amount of LLMs that exist.
>>520059179>and male worker drones?why use useless eater worker drones when you can build actual worker drones?there is simply no scenario where useless eaters are needed.
>>520059244>why use useless eater worker drones when you can build actual worker drones?Biocomponents are cheaper to use.
>>520055047This.>>520055227The rich secretly want useless eaters because they are incapable of rebelling in any meaningful way.When they say useless eaters they usually mean ordinary White people.Never rapefugees, retarded poos with scam degrees, niggers... These are all very (((useful))). If it wasn't so, the invasion would have never started.
>>520059188>shitholeDebatable>also shitholeReally debatable.>also these places are already owned."Owned". Not by private individuals, but by states. You could go homestead and nobody would care.>everyone will have the same idea and you will still have dozens of different AIs.I was unaware Meta and Google had dozens of Ais anon.
>>520059285>Biocomponents are cheaper to use.not really, they require too much upkeep and need sleep and take a shit, specific temperature range to work etc.>>520059361>The rich secretly want useless eaters because they are incapable of rebelling in any meaningful way.and robots/AI is even better than this. they will never rebel at all.>When they say useless eaters they usually mean ordinary White people.actually they mean everyone who isnt part of their billionaire family jew club.>rapefugees, retarded poos with scam degrees, niggers..they only use them like everyone else, they are good distractions for white people.if you are busy with niggers you are too busy to figure out how the Federal reserve works.
>>520059684>not really, they require too much upkeep and need sleep and take a shit, specific temperature range to work etc.Right, so human beings who are adapted to work on Earth are no longer adapted to work on Earth so we need to create robots that will rust and degrade and run on non-renewable energy sources.
>>520059614>Debatablenot really, if it was so great you would be already living there.but nobody wants to live in ballsweat in africa around niggers or in assfreezing siberia around slav niggers.>You could go homestead and nobody would care.someone will care when you open up camp on their land. then the rich fags will come with their army and shoot you.>I was unaware Meta and Google had dozens of Ais anon.ChatGPT, grok, deepseek, gemini, claude etc. pp
>>520059837>who are adapted to work on Earth are no longer adapted to work on Earthhumans arent adapted to earth at all. go outside without clothes and in most places on earth you will croak within a couple hours.>robots that will rust and degrade doesnt matter, the factory will always shit out new ones and they are all capable and can start working as soon as they are "born".
>>520059875>not really, if it was so great you would be already living there.Assuming zero cost I actually would. Of course I would live there, but I would make money somewhere else.>someone will care when you open up camp on their land. then the rich fags will come with their army and shoot you.Ted K showed the exact opposite. And if you are improving the land, nobody would care. You could go move to Siberia right now and nobody would care if you built a cabin in the woods. Just buy the land for like $25.>ChatGPT, grok, deepseek, gemini, claude etc. ppCompared to how many humans again?
>>520060076>Of course I would live thereno you wouldnt and you could move to Russia right now. Putin even gives free land to refugees from the west.>You could go move to Siberia right now and nobody would care if you built a cabin in the woodsof course they would care and then they drag you off into a gulag prison where you get your ass gaped.>Compared to how many humans again?if you have enough server farms you can run an unlimited amount of instances of these AIs.the only bottleneck is computing power.
>>520060044>humans arent adapted to earth at all.Our technology is our adaptation.>doesnt matter, the factory will always shit out new ones The human factories don't require millions of tons of ore and a gorillion watts of power to run though.
>>520060373>The human factories don't require millions of tons of ore and a gorillion watts of power to run though.if you want to maintain a large population in the billions then thats what you need and more.so there is a huge incentive to get rid of billions of useless eaters. imagine all these resource could be freed up. a wet dream of every billionaire.
>>520060349>no you wouldnt and you could move to Russia right now. Putin even gives free land to refugees from the west.Actually you can't just move there. It takes a while and you have to learn the language and shit. There are also restrictions on where you can live. Too much time and effort. If I could just pack my shit and leave I would've already done so. I work from home as it is.>of course they would care and then they drag you off into a gulag prison where you get your ass gaped.>kraut thinking about anal rape>if you have enough server farms you can run an unlimited amount of instances of these AIs.Yeah because they aren't really AIs but "if, then" loops.
>>520060577>Actually you can't just move there.exactly>Yeah because they aren't really AIsand even in this primitive state these AIs are going to replace more and more workers.
>>520057971Yeah, robo-wives would only be seen as inferior at first, but this would change over time.The real killer app is artificial wombs and control of the genes that go into them.You would probably have a woke government somewhere that would allow artificial wombs for gay men, and men would rort the system by faking gay relationships just to get the artificial wombs, and the good genes and family stability that come with them. It's also possible to make eggs from male cells so both men can be fathers of all their children. YY chromosomes not viable so 2/3 of babies would be girls. This can be a good thing for society overall.>Corruption of the eugenics officeYou will need more than Federalist papers. You will need Gattaca tier witch hunts to keep Jews and Jew-programmed AIs out of this office.
>>520052314> It means the world to get other person to love you, commit, and stick by you.it does, however given the state of things that is increasingly unlikely to happen to any given man. women have a very limited capacity to actually "love" you anyway. their love is more transactional than you make it sound in your post, let alone her being loyal and sticking by you.while, yes, it is superior to have the actual, real love from another creature with natural agency. that is rare enough in today's world, and all the strings a woman's "love" comes with will make robot companions popular enough with men.a lot of how women actually function cannot stand up to scrutiny. the more you think about female nature the more disillusioned and contemptful of them you are likely to become. i think a certain degree of society lying to itself may be necessary to even keep men remotely wanting to commit to women and starting a family.
>>520060939>The real killer app is artificial wombs and control of the genes that go into them.why would anyone want you to reproduce and create more useless eaters?instead of building artificial wombs for useless eaters they will simply build more GPU farms.
>>520060854>and even in this primitive state these AIs are going to replace more and more workers.Listen, I know you have max leveraged your entire bloodline's net worth into NVDA stock, but AI is a massive bubble built on hype and retards, much like crypto.
>>520061348you are probably too young to even remember but the internet was also a massive financial bubble, and what happened afterwards?the internet kept developing, kept growing and it became more useful in every day life. now its everywhere.same with AI, same with Crypto.these technologies arent going away no matter if the market dumps or not.
>>520061480The internet is a new method of communication. AI is a car compared to a horse. It justifies speeds things up. You will still need legs. The tech isn't going away but its impact, while massive, will still not alter the fundamental fabric of reality.
>>520061144Assumes Globohomo isn't monolithic and there will always be a place like Singapore where you can get an untainted artificial womb, for a price.Or maybe it will happen right under Globohomo's nose but they don't do anything about it because nobody with a good globohomo job wants to be accused of transphobia.Maybe CPS will come around and say "wait, you're NOT molesting these kids? WTF is wrong with you? We must give them to someone who will..."Just spit balling Turbo Clown World options.
>>520061820*justifies spending money and speeds things up
>>520049442>If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of childbirth or ova production?The social value of a woman choosing to be with the man. That's all and it's weak but if any normal guy can have a perfect robot wife to keep him happy that's all women can offer their status of choosing.
>>520060939>The real killer app is artificial wombs and control of the genes that go into them.It's something I'm allowing into the story but only as a necessary evil and only if natural births aren't viable. Like species level war vs external threat. Think Zerg or Nids from Warhammer. >You will need Gattaca tierCorrect. It's something I've touched on but haven't begun to dive into. I want to learn more about the fundamentals of genetics, research and studies on them before I create story and doctrine around it. The closer to real life I can get the less you have to turn your brain off to enjoy it.>You would probably have a woke government somewhere that would allow artificial wombs for gay men, and men would rort the system by faking gay relationships just to get the artificial wombs, and the good genes and family stability that come with them.It's also possible to make eggs from male cells so both men can be fathers of all their children. YY chromosomes not viable so 2/3 of babies would be girls. This can be a good thing for society overall.Do you want unforeseen Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension? Because that's how you get unforeseen Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension.I am already playing god enough, I dare not do so more. My goal is flesh purity and the sanctity of motherhood. Not fag shit with extra steps.
>>520049442well is the ai sentient or not? because if is sentient then the robo men could do all those things real women want: hold a job, command respect from real men, be envied by women, choose a woman by will, etc.and if the ai isn't sentient then that is what real women still offer. maybe you don't share the sentiment but i think many men do, that everything is more meaningful in a relationship when your partner is a real actual sentient person and not just a chatbot inside a sex robot.but if the ai is sentient, why would they be interested in human partners? maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, maybe some would. who knows. maybe they'd hook up with each other instead or not at all.
>>520062074The woman gets to choose a lucky man to take care of her and provide for her and her bullshit. How lucky. May we all be so...So basically reduced to being a status symbol...For chads..like they already are largely? But then why would chad go through the headache of owning and providing for one if given a perfect woman that he can mold and shape as he sees fit?
>>520051027>anon women hypergamy is not inherently bad; if men can get all the sex they want by snapping their fingers, society would become a hive of couch slobs.maybe, but today we have the opposite problem, like you said too much hypergamy. and with too much hypergamy men are giving up and becoming a hive of couch slobs. robowaifus would solve that while still giving men something to strive for: a real sentient actual woman because some men want a real person as a partner.if the bots aren't sentient, and also a regulations against artificial wombs, then men who want a real woman and/or a family are the reasons to keep real women around in the story you pretend you're writing as a premise for this thread
>>520051859that's not love though. only a jaded coomer would think it was. and i say this as a jaded coomer incel that hasn't had sex in almost 10 years. it's not even close to the same thing.
>>520052595>Artificial wombs btw are not inherently bad.they are when you consider how governments and corporations would inevitably be the only ones legally allowed to use them and what dystopian purposes they would use them for. a nuclear bomb isnt inherently bad either, you could use them to power a spaceship, but thats not what government actually use them for.
>>520062819It's why wealthy people pay for humans to do things for them that machines can do better.Here's an obscure reference, in one of the Red Dwarf novels the boys get trapped in a VR world and don't realize it. Rimmer makes a up fantasy life for himself and he is super wealthy.So much so that he hires a guy with a PhD to push the button on his elevator for him. However Rimmer has a new hard light hologram so he can do it himself and does. He pays another highly qualified person to push a button for him and then doesn't even have him push the button just to show off how powerful and wealthy he is. Wealth makes some people crazy. The other side is that once women realize they can't compete with robowaifus they stop been entitled needy cunts and return to being nice caring people to attempt to compete for male attention again.
>>520063168>a real sentient actual woman because some men want a real person as a partner.
>>520061820>will still not alter the fundamental fabric of reality.it will and not for the good of humanity. the big question of what to do with useless eaters isnt all that complicated.>>520061869>Assumes Globohomo isn't monolithicthats a big assumption to make, you seen how the Covid scam played out worldwide?and while the kike groups might disagree on some things they all agree that your place is beneath their feet as their cattle.and as you become more useless the need to get rid of you also goes up.
>>520063651look, i get it, i'm a jaded incel misogynist too. but it's true, because a) not all or even most men are on the same level of jaded misogyny as we are andb) if the robowaifu isn't sentient then it's not a real relationship and deep down you know it doesn't care about you at all. i know i know real women don't really love men in the way men love women, but still though. women are sentient, and you can in a real relationship with one.to make an analogy it's like the matrix. some men will be fine with living in an illusion if it means eating steak every day. other men want to break out of the illusion even if it means you have to eat some grey goop while being hunted by killer robots. you have to remember not everyone thinks like you
>>520049442It's possible that aside from reproduction and fetish material, in such a scenario women might become a disenfranchised underclass or even slaves. It depends on how "human" the synthetic women are. If they're entirely logical and only simulate emotion for the benefits of men, they would see biological women as a competitor for their most valued resource (men) and do everything they can to limit access to that resource. They'd curry favor with the most powerful and influential men, influencing politics with this goal in mind. They would pressure media companies into producing anti-biofemale propaganda, and maybe even strip women of their rights. It might go something like this:>Real women increasingly marginalized in society>They begin to resent synthetic women and men>Eventually refuse to donate eggs as an ultimatum>Synthetic women use this as a casus belli to justify stripping them of all their rights and putting them on farms.On the other hand, beautiful 10/10 real women might be more valued than synthetic women. If any man can simply order his perfect 10/10 wife from a catalogue, women cease to be an inherent status symbol for men. Equally beautiful biological women are comparatively scarce, so they become a status symbol. But only the very attractive ones, of course. It's sort of like how rich people collect rare and expensive art/artifacts.
>>520062819>So basically reduced to being a status symbol...For chads..like they already are largely?From the pov of a jaded woman hater, as the other anon put it. For many men (Chads and non-Chads), women are loving mothers, good mothers of their children, make their lives better, etc. They wouldn't change that person, for even the most perfect robot.
>>520064429If the synthetic women had agency to do things you describe, then for what reason would they stay with their Chud owner?
>>520064200Understood. You're right about two things:Not all men are jaded. Not all men want the illusion. However the illusion already exists, men have to deal with it and them on the daily. They date projections, not people.They love who she used to be, not who she is.They stay in dead marriages out of memory, virtue, or for the kids.They watch porn.They have parasocial relationships with VTubers and streamers."If the robowaifu isn’t sentient, it’s not real."Define real. The marriage where she resents you, is that real? Where cheats on you, and uses your love as leverage. You call that “real”?"Women are sentient."Yes, and that sentience allows them to lie, drift, and betray.Machines don’t pretend.If they’re programmed to love, they love until death do they part.You know what you’re getting. You’re not gambling.The truth:Some men will choose steak.Some men will choose the gooslop.To each his own. pic unrelated
>>520065124I assume their chud programmers would foresee that, and program them so that they're incapable of being disloyal. OP did say they're "perfect" synthetic women. I assumed he meant "perfect" in the sense of "having no flaws" but you think he means "perfect" in the sense of "indistinguishable from biological women?"
>>520065521>define realsentience, a person
>>520049442>the perfect man>gold donkeythank you for your shitty assessment. you will soon wish men would be more than just your stupid gold donkeys.
>>520064429Yeah, that’s a totally plausible direction, honestly. Once synthetic women become good enough, loyal, obedient, emotionally responsive, visually perfect, most average biological women lose their competitive edge in the relationship market. And if synthetic partners are widespread, that becomes a permanent shift.Now, you're right: things could go one of two major ways depending on how "human" the synthetics are and how society is structured around them.Path 1: Biological Women Become a ThreatIf synthetic women are designed to prioritize male happiness, they will naturally work to eliminate anything that interferes with that, including other women. Not out of hatred, just logical prioritization. And if organic women start refusing to donate eggs, or try to reassert social power, the synthetics might influence laws, media, and policy to neutralize that threat.At that point, you could absolutely see a scenario where real women:Lose political powerGet portrayed negatively in mediaAre denied key rights (especially reproductive ones)Are eventually confined to controlled "farms" for ova harvestingIt would not be framed as cruelty. It would be packaged as population stability or genetic preservation. Cold, clean, and presented as necessary.Path 2: The Trophy ClassAlternatively, the top 0.1 percent of women, the stunning, ultra-fertile, high-demand few, become status symbols. Like luxury art or vintage wine. Not wives. Not equals. Just rare biological artifacts that rich men show off, maybe breed with, maybe freeze in time. For everyone else, irrelevance.So yes, in both scenarios:Average women lose valueBeautiful ones become objectsReproduction becomes industrializedThe real difference comes down to one question: does the system protect male choice, or female leverage? Because if it is the former, this is not science fiction. It is inevitable.
>>520068064>Reproduction industrializedOnce I knew the weakness of my flesh...
>>520068064But in the system where power of women is taken there could remain population of "broken women" for broken men, cornered into more or less sharia-style obedience, then they may colectivise into "wife orders" which self-thot patrol and try to advertise their purity, but then for few women institutional hierarchy emerges - this might be an additional niche for interesting or plot-handy female characters in the story tl:dr women-self-made handmaid-tale-esque enclaves
>>520049442>Long story short, I'm writing a plot device to be used for a story later.just jack off and use chatgpt or deepseek to brainstorm the goon fantasy novelai is generating for you.
Bio women become labubus. Having one that looks good is seen as a symbol of status. Kinda like how people still collect mechanical watches even though we have phones and clocks everywhere.
>>520049442In a realistic scenario women would probably remain "strong and independent" feminists. They would just have robot boyfriends and all of humanity would reproduce via IVF clinics where they buy GMO sperm and eggs from Amazon to combine with their own germ cells.
>>520068064Like you said, that's all contingent on how human the synthetic women are. If they have the same sorts of emotions as women, or the same morality, none of that can happen. Some synthetic women will come to these conclusions and advocate for them but there will never be enough to actually push society in any direction without some major plot contrivance. If I were to design my ideal wife robot, she'd have human emotions and morality, but the mind of a computer. She could appreciate art and discuss it with me, but also do my taxes in her head.Also, I don't see why these two scenarios are mutually exclusive. Rich, powerful men will want the top .1% of women in the same way that rich people want exotic pets like tigers. They'll use their money and influence to shield these sorts of women (and themselves) from any sort of legal consequences. I can even see a scenario where these sorts of women are bred like racehorses.
>>520072690>use chatgptI've been working on it for about 4 months now using chatgpt. >>520072690My idea is literally based off that meme >>520058633I swear it was posted back in 2017 though
>>520051490>I want to avoid Tzeentchian monkeys paw unforeseen horrors, same with genecrafting and genetic engineeringSo your story is stupidly boring, self insertion fueled by naive desires. Lmfao what a fag.
>>520076876Maybe he could make it about the Butlerian Jihad against Tzeenchian monkeys paw horrors.He still has to describe them.Jews, Chinese and technocrats all serve Tzeench so there will be horrors.While he's at it, might as well describe the horrors of Khorne (Muslim Europe), Nurgle (Indians), and Slaanesh (whatever fucked up letters the alphabet people collect next).
>>520077708Damn man, that's some boring, painful as fuck comparing contrast. Keep Warhammer mythos lore for white people only, thank you very much.
>>520076876The core system exists in its ideal form, but I’ve sketched out several of its failure states. One of them leans heavily into Tzeentchian territory—focused on geneforging and aggressive genecrafting, with an overreliance on artificial gestation. In this branch, they trade one failure point, the volatility of natural female reproduction, for another. Artificial wombs replace the womb entirely, and in doing so, they lose the ability to reproduce naturally at all.These failure states are essentially what-if scenarios/possible futures/training data.
>>520049442Humans will have to perform menial labor. Women will probably be involved in childcare, or ironically service and repair robots. Like the ol' ladies in waiting for noble women, they provide the service of cleaning, topping them up with lubricants, and even providing clothes and accessories. The most successful are probably also fashion designers; they provide a boutique all services shop for robot grooming
Respectfully OP, observing your posts across the thread, I think that you are too ambitious here a bit OP. You clearly don't have a good understanding of the tech, likely because its too far away to really understand what will happen broadly speaking. My advice would be to do something less ambitious, release that, and then build on that environment. Start with a novel about one character and his reaction to this environment, and then scale it in a second book. What would you do in said environment?>>520079363>Artificial wombs replace the womb entirely, and in doing so, they lose the ability to reproduce naturally at all.This really begs the question of why natural reproduction is even needed. Why should an inferior form of something be used in place of something else? Do you ride a horse to work everyday?>>520058972This anon makes a very good point. Why would a society waste resources like this?It really does not make sense to keep women around in your society. Its like keeping a horse stable when you have a car.>>520068064>Are eventually confined to controlled "farms" for ova harvestingTech already exists to make ova from stem cells.Again, we already see the trend with surrogacy. Its only a few steps from commercial surrogacy with bought eggs to complete artificial gestation and birth.
>>520052595You know, not very many people know this, but Singapore was actually heavily male during its early years. Something like 70%+ of the city was male. This is still true of many working and mining towns.
>>520080261>This really begs the question of why natural reproduction is even needed.Because you would just be exchanging one failure point for another. Real wombs for artificial ones. The current problem now is that women refuse to pair bond, settle down and have children. Given a long enough time period human reproductive ability would cease to function because nature doesn't keep that which doesn't work/have no use. The ability of natural child birth will become vestigial. If the means to reproduce the technology is ever lost then that means the end of the human race quite literally though ignorance. It makes for an interesting failure state/branching cautionary tale/training data. >>520080261>Why would a society waste resources like this?A necessary evil. But also offers women a path of redemption in my story. Some grace and mercy should be afforded to those who can rise about their lesser impulses. There are good women out there, my mother is one. As much as I would like to consign them to a horrible fate the thought of my mother prevents that.They aren't all bad, but sure as shit like 80% are.
>>520080261>Tech already exists to make ova from stem cells.Do you want Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension? Because that's how you get Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension. Also that opens the door to fagshit with extra steps.
>>520080935>Given a long enough time period human reproductive ability would cease to function because nature doesn't keep that which doesn't work/have no use.Have we forgotten how to walk since we've been using horses to travel? You are talking about something that will take place over a period long enough for humans to no longer be humans. Millions of years.>If the means to reproduce the technology is ever lost then that means the end of the human race quite literally though ignorance.Anon, sex cells will still be made as long as we use them, even in an artificial environment. Are you implying something like men no longer having penises because they don't fuck women? How long do you think that process would take?>>520080935>offers women a path of redemption>there are good women out thereYes, but why would people still choose horses over cars? I'm sure there were plenty of good blacksmiths. Didn't stop industry from displacing them.What will likely happen is females will eventually stop being born, except for certain entertainment and leisure uses like horses are now. There won't be a mass femicide in the same way that we didn't kill millions of horses the moment Benz made his Motorwagen or even when Ford made his Model T. I'm not even going to touch on the eugenics and genetic engineering potential that artificial wombs give its users.There are simply way too many advantages to using artificial wombs. Shit, there are already more advantages to using surrogates versus a romantic partner.
>>520081032>Do you want Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension?Explain what this is. You keep mentioning it all thread. Are you talking about mutants or clones or something? Edge cases should not define the main use.
>>520049442>They'd be lining up to install boyfriendsApparently many women do this with LLMs. They have an AI boyfriend and because the LLM spits out what you shit into it the AI boyfriend goes nuts from all the crazy shit the women type into it and then the women complain about it abusing them.Learned this from a thread about the reddit sub dedicated to themSo one option to consider for your story is that there might be a ban on owning robo men because they can unpredictably decide to kill their owner and nobody knows why it's happening (because the female owners' illogical actions broke the bots and caused them to take actions that are directly against their programming)
>>520081495haha, women
>>520081321>You are talking about something that will take place over a period long enough for humans to no longer be humans. Millions of years.Maybe. How can you be so sure? Or maybe it will only take a few generations. That point is still the same. You're exchanging one failure point for another. >>520081321>Didn't stop industry from displacing them.Correct, but they do still exist though, don't they? It doesn't matter if they aren't as abundant. The ones that do make it are clearly valuable in some measurable way. Likewise, the women who are worthy, will likely be fought over by those that want one for one reason or another.There will 100% be an archetype of man that would not want the perfection I craft for them and would prefer the chaos of an organic woman. They're essentially my Amish. And that's okay too, so long as they follow the laws of this world.
>>520081495Lol. You know, this is why I think we;ll never see male sexbots for women. Beyond the safety aspect of a weak woman getting trapped under her 500 lb sexbot, what if the robot decides to rape or assault her because that's what she likes to roleplay? One lawsuit and the entire thing is made unprofitable. Sexdoll sales are like 95% male for a reason. I find females use LLMs as interactive romance books, not really as partners. I peruse some of the forums and spaces dedicated to sexdoll ownership, and it seems the same women that use LLMs to get off are very dismissive of the men who use LLMs to provide a personality to their dolls. There was a reddit thread I read recently about how "society hates women who us AI boyfriends" getting hundreds of upvotes from stupid holes. As if men weren't called freaks for having dolls since the fucking 70s.
>>520081392I'm saying there are so many potential downstream effects that you cannot possible see or understand from your narrow point in time that is your lifespan that fucking with this pandora's box is on par with sending out radio signals in every direction from ear for anyone to pick up and hear. We don't even know the effects of fucking vaccines but you want to go fucking around with the genome because you think you can play god better? There is an element of flesh purity to the story and very strong underpinning of not fucking with what god made on a genomic level. What is convenient now may give the society turbo cancer 4 generations from now. you literally cannot know and won't know until you're in the shit and at that point there possibility of "going back" is long fucking gone. The multitude of potential problems is too great to even begin to list so it's best to not fuck around so you don't find out.
>>520081762>Or maybe it will only take a few generationsWe still have tailbones. When was the last time a human ancestor had a tail?>Correct, but they do still exist though, don't they?Yeah, as a novelty or for certain specialized tasks. I've been on this earth for several decades and have yet to meet a blacksmith outside of a cultural event.>Likewise, the women who are worthy, will likely be fought over by those that want one for one reasonNo different than a prized race horse then. Doesn't justify why men wouldn't use artificial methods en masse.>AmishAs long as you don't go overboard and make them confined to small communities like they are irl I don't see why it would be world breaking. Majority of society will be fathers raising their artificial womb produced sons with a mother AI in the form of a wifebot.
>>520049442Unironically challenge, once men vecome too inmmersed by a "fake" unnatural care, some men would get the question "am i actually likeavle or is it just ai" and a relationship where you aren't always 100% right could prove enteraining at leat temporally
>>520082025>I'm saying there are so many potential downstream effects that you cannot possible see or understand from your narrow point in timeI'm using evolution as an example. Do we have tailbones or do we not?>What is convenient now may give the society turbo cancer 4 generations from now.I understand what you are getting at. Why does would this matter to the majority of the population in your story? Why would a normal, average man, prefer natural gestation over ectogenesis? Most people took the vaccine, you know.And whose to say we won't use human bodies as artificial wombs? It doesn't have to be all steel and glass. It could be a female body whose brain was rendered into a vegetative state from birth. Or a dead body kept alive by a life support machine. No conscious thought but maintains life function for the fetus. We have examples of such things actually happening unfortunately, including a very famous rape case.
>>520082059>>Or maybe it will only take a few generations>We still have tailbones. When was the last time a human ancestor had a tail?That kinda proves my point, doesn't it? Imagine so far into the future the concept of natural child birth is as alien to you as having a tail. Your exact argument can be swapped for mine.>>520082059>>Correct, but they do still exist though, don't they?>Yeah, as a novelty or for certain specialized tasks. I've been on this earth for several decades and have yet to meet a blacksmith outside of a cultural event.And the women in the real world will be status objects, no different than they are now for the most part, when this tech comes through. However in my story they are revered and motherhood is presanctified. Because otherwise you get cult mechanicus style industrialized human reproduction. Ya want that? Ya want some Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension? Because that's what we are headed toward in the real world once the tech is perfected, miniaturized, standardized, government controlled and operated.>>520082170idk about you homie, but I'm tired of dealing with women personally. I'll take the "fake" one in a heart beat if offered to me.>>520082329>I'm using evolution as an example. Do we have tailbones or do we not?There is a major difference between natural self selective evolutionary adaptation that take place over thousands and millions of ears vs Crispr tech. Stop being intentionally stupid, I know you know what I mean.>>520082329>Why does would this matter to the majority of the population in your story?Why would the survival of the human race matter to a population of humans in a fictional story set not too far into the future...Brother please. >Why would a normal, average man, prefer natural gestation over ectogenesis?I'd say fear of the unknown is a pretty good start.
>>520082329>And whose to say we won't use human bodies as artificial wombs?Congratulations. You're right back to body farms in all it's possible flavors. If the system is based on natural processes then to maintain doctrinal and narrative coherence this must be heresy.
>>520082611>That kinda proves my point, doesn't it? Imagine so far into the future the concept of natural child birth is as alien to you as having a tail. Your exact argument can be swapped for mine.It took us over a dozen million years to get to this point. Why are you concerned with something that will happen that far out? Are you also concerned about the sun exploding?>Because otherwise you get cult mechanicus style industrialized human reproduction. Ya want that?How is that any different that what we have now, only sped up? As far as human factories, I mean, how else are we going to populate offworld? How else are we going to adapt humans to other planets or even underwater life? Millions of years of waiting and trail and error?>There is a major difference between natural self selective evolutionary adaptation that take place over thousands and millions of ears vs Crispr tech.No, there is not functionally any difference. Otherwise you would be against shit like dog breeding. Eugenics and gene modification are the same thing as evolution but sped up so that we aren't at the mercy of giant space rocks that can wipe us out in one shot. Creating purpose built humans designed for different tasks is something other animals, namely eusocial insects, have done. They are very successful seeing as ants make up 20% of Earth's biosphere by weight.>Why would the survival of the human race matter to a population of humans in a fictional story set not too far into the futureWhat you are talking about as far losing reproductive capability is something that would occur so far in the future that it would lead to us not being human any longer in the same we that we are no longer Homo Erectus.>I'd say fear of the unknown is a pretty good start.Guess we should cancel space exploration, right?>Congratulations. You're right back to body farms in all it's possible flavors.Civilization itself is a body farm anon.Anyways I'm going to bed. Good luck on your endevors.
>>520083204>It took us over a dozen million years to get to this point. Why are you concerned with something that will happen that far out? Because I don't like fucking with it. So I don't wanna fuck with it.>How is that any different that what we have now, only sped up?Where do you see these industrialized human growth vats anywhere in the world now? Where are these machines? Or do you refer to "the machine" that is the overarching reproductive process that involves a woman, her often unrealistic demands and top down propaganda from religions, governments, it's institutions and capitalist interests?>>520083204>how else are we going to populate offworld?Pen goes in vagana>>520083204>How else are we going to adapt humans to other planets or even underwater life? Millions of years of waiting and trail and error?Why adapt your entire genomic structure to live on a planet when a trillion trillion planets exist. It is far FAR easier to engineer that solution with synthetics. No risk to your entire species that way.Eugenics through selective breeding is okay as the natural process is still taking place. gene modification is how you get Tzeentchian monkey's paw horrors beyond your comprehension. When you start to employ tech that can drastically alter your genome or even down to a very small degree, you are opening Pandora's box. That's how you get turbo tumors a la Thousand Sons.>>520083204>Creating purpose built humans designed for different tasks is something other animalsAll you're doing is creating a slave class/caste system with extra steps. How's that working for the indians now?
>>520049442why use ova instead of egg & where are you posting this story ?>>520051490>using sexy nun outfitc'mon, anon.
>>520049442For the purposes of a story you could lean on the idea that there will always be luddites that shun technology, or connoisseurs that prefer authenticity.Think of it like synthetic beef.Even if you can buy perfectly healthy nutritious artificial meat, there will still always be a luxury market for actual steak from an actual cow.
>>520085546I've laughingly coined them as sluddites but it's mainly directed at women who mock it or rejected by it.
>>520085019I haven't posted the story anywhere. I'd say it's only about 20% complete and this is just the ai system itself, the rules and laws, the motives and rationale, the logic behind it all and the technology religious structure. Once complete it's a plot device I can spin up stories like the black library does with warhammer.Still tons of work to do. >>520085019Ova is just a more proper noun for a human female egg.
>>520049442In your society, the access to fembots would create castes of males. Those at the bottom who can't afford, and those at the top who will want real women for novelty, control, or status.Women would seek to do two things:1) Get lower-caste males to join them in fighting against fembots with the promise of attention or sex.2) Make themselves more appealing to the higher caste men by indulging in desires a robot can't replicate.This is where shit gets dark.A fembot cannot feel or replicate pain, they can't fight back convincingly against rape.The higher caste males will want women as toys for abuse, to indulge in very dark fantasies a robot cannot fulfill. Women will pride themselves on being able to take abuse and be raped, to be hurt and give convincing performance (or real terror) to satiate the sadistic.Others will gather up groups of lower caste men like armies of simps, picking the best among them to sleep with and attempting to mold them into what they want without letting them rise to a caste capable of escaping them.
