how the fuck does this shitshow end? the black line is the borders that Putin says Russia needs to end the war.
>>520064991With Putin and Russia getting the territory that voted to join them in the first place.
>>520065029How did people living in territory Russia doesn't control vote to join Russia?
i hope neveri hope that they keep killing ukranians until ukranians become real life unicorns after constant years of nafo shilling i am convinced it really should be donejust kill every single ukranian
it is a war of attrition. things move very slowly like WW1 because of the ungodly amounts of fortifications which have to be cleared very slowly. then one day everything just collapses.
>>520064991never gonna end
>>520065029all elections in russia are rigged
>>520065220why didn't Putin do a quick dash on Kiev at the beginning of the war?
>>520065220>then one day everything just collapses.This. It'll be such a break neck speed too. Thing is once the collapse does happen that's when NATO is going to chimp out and start threatening Russia which is the most likely time WW3 happens.
>>520064991Realistically, things will end like it did for Germany after WW2. Ukraine will be split into two parts: Western & Eastern Ukraine. Western Ukraine will be independent & likely join NATO. Eastern Ukraine will be engulfed by Russia and controlled by it. In the middle will be a de-militarized zone which neither side controls. Then in 20 years, Russia will break its treaty (like it always has done for the past 500 years), and invade Ukraine again, slowly, but by bit, try to crawl its way into Europe and ruin society.
>>520064991It's up to big Z how many ukrainians have to die. Putin will get that line.
>>520065349where have you beenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Ji7KqqEqg
>>520065563that was a feint. why didn't he do a real one?
>>520064991Bomb hyhylsLandlock hyhylsRoundhouse kick hyhyls into the cumpitThrow hyhyl babies into the gutter
>>520065655where have you been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSSiPrF8GoM
>>520064991When Putin lets McDonalds back in the country. It’s been all down hill since Mickey Ds left
>>520065447Fingers crossed
>>520064991
>>520065252Seems like it. If Russia wants to militarily take the rest of Donetsk, it could take well over a year or two. Zaporizhia alone would take over a year and I don't see how they would hold Kherson across the river. I can't see Russia stopping the war until they at least take the rest of Donetsk.
Putin said he is talking out the Zelensky regime just like they did to Hitler. Will see what that entails.
>>520065447No part of Ukraine will join NATO
>>520064991Tactical nukes. Unironically.
>>520064991then why is russia attacking beyond that and even into Sumy (where they got btfo and memoryholed)
>>520064991Wrong. He wants all of that area just for a ceasefire, not for a peace deal. And that was the old deal. Now he's refusing even a ceasefire.
>>520066340like you memoryholed every single offensyv and game changing western tech? lol
>>520066469>but what aboutstay on topic
>>520066253I could actually see Russia resorting to the same tactic that the US supposedly used in Japan with the nukes. Essentially the overwhelming force will induce a surrender. Would it work? Probably not because Ukraine is just a puppet state for the EU now and they'd use it to escalate. >>520066340>Ukraine incurs into Belgorod>Russia incurs into the Ukrainian side>Ukraine incurs into Kursk region>Russia incurs into the Ukrainian side>>520066444the peace deal is the ceasefire, they've said that before.
>>520064991it looks like japan
>>520065142In the same way your nation declared independence from bongoloids.
>>520066516nafo troonie cant handle bantertypicaltopic is that ukraine is getting shit onjewish president is sending ukranians into deathcope nafo trooner troonie foonienafoooKEKAROOOOis that what you say? remember your old pastaTEMPO TEMPO TEMPOHAHAHAH but you never got to use it because ukranian foces only advance backwardsKEKAROOOahhaha id kill myself if i were you
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow end?don't make me tap the sign
>>520066610uh oh someone did a meltykyiv status?
>>520064991personally I don't care anymoreI mean it was obvious Ukraine was fucked since the start but it's also clear that Russia failed at a decisive victory long ago when their attempted pincer movement failedIts like neither side has the ability to win but at the same time neither wants to admit defeat though Ukraine is definitely the one closer to defeat than Russia at this pointI used to want to make peace but I don't really care anymore who wins, fuck it do a coin toss and call it.Same with Israel/PalestineFuck foreign issues, I voted Trump to get us out of foreign wars so why does this shit matter. It doesn't, not my problem. Just focus on keeping the spics out, only issue I have right now.
>>520064991Grok, when does a never-ending war end?
>>520064991that's a fake line, no sane man would stop before he takes dnepropetrovsk and harkov regions. i doubt russia would capitulate here because if it does that means that it is dead and in a few years it will be pushed out from donetsk, in a few more it would lose crimea, and then it would be attacked
>Russia wants to continue the war because they want moooaaar clay.Explain to me again why I should feel bad watching gore drone videos?
>>520066642KEKAROOOOTEMPO TEMPOle same nafo troon .mp4 postKEKAROOO TEMPOHAHAHAHAHAH
>>520066646>I used to want to make peaceis that you donald trump ? is this me?
>>520065029>>520065414Shut up commie troon
>>520066761TZD will continue until the last russian3 DAY SVO KEKAROOOOOOOOO
>>520065534Putin is a faggot child molester
>>520066690>that's a fake lineNot it's not, it's the extent of the borders of all 4 oblasts that voted to join Russia. To Russia, since those oblasts voted to join their country all of their territory formally belongs to Russia. >>520066810Trump still wants peace but realizes Putin isn't going to agree to a ceasefire that advantages Ukraine and Ukraine isn't going to stop because the eurotards are uppity war mongering.
>>520066861>Trump still wants peacehe wants piss since he started sending hohols lethal "aid" on his first term
>>520066469>game changing western tech>he said 4 years into a 3 day war>he said 1 coup attempt later>he said after $700 billion dollars worth of assets are frozen>he said after over 1 million killed/wounded>he said after annexing and quickly losing kherson>he said after getting invaded>he said after begging north korea for help>he said after begging iran for help>he said after begging china for help>he said after the 40th oil refinery exploding>he said after his stock market collapses>he said after 20% interest rates>he said after petrol shortagesdo i dare keep going
>>520066956Depends. What point are you trying to make?
>>520066861>Not it's not, it's the extent of the borders of all 4 oblasts that voted to join Russia. To Russia, since those oblasts voted to join their country all of their territory formally belongs to Russia.i know what it is, it doesn't represent anything strategically, russia must and will capture dnepropetrovsk and harkov regions
>>520066956if only you knew how banan things really are
>>520064991They will need a large DMZ with an international peacekeeping force
>>520067111They was the plan desu
>>520065966what an ugly border projectwe want it to be shaped like albert einstein
First time in my life I've enjoyed paying taxes. Keep up the drone production.
>>520067223>nato troops in ukrainethat was always unacceptable for russia. its the reason they began the invasion in the first place.
>>520065142In referendums in 2014 during the coup by NATO forces in Kiev. Huge swathes of the country voted to rejoin Russia.The Ukrainian army(back then not NATO equipped or trained and would have easily fallen if Russia invaded and taken everything swiftly but Russia would not have survived the sanctions) then went in and massacred hundreds of its citizens and crushed them in the streets across south and east Ukraine triggering a major civil conflict.pic and video VERY related stems from then as does video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5H9S2pv08Bonkers civil conflict. Gen X'ers,boomers and early millennials were mad men in east and south Ukraine. Most were veterans of the soviet military and early federation and living in the area of the country *filled* with military and police storage yards.
>>520067605I know, but it's the general plan. I think it should be non-NATO european troops.
>>520067698There will no troops other than Russian troops patrolling the border
>>520067627lmao, yeah okay
>>520067374Russia most certainly will.
>>520064991no one actually needs peace. Russia is doing well, slowly winning, fighting with well paid volunteers.Ukraine has more money, relevance, respect and chances to join the west than ever before. If the war ends with a basic ceasefire and no NATO membership, it will become a poor, indebted country with in-security guarantees in the future.Europe accepting ceasefire, means Trump declares the war is settled and reduces nato involvement, which means they will have to fully pay for the eastern frontThe US doesn't really care beyond a 200B hole in it's budget which needs to be closed ASAP. Though after the Europeans signed that they'll pay for US weapons Trump said that they can win and do whatever they want and wished them luck, as the budget gap might be paid for by the europeans nowTo summarize, no one needs peace. Trump kinda did, until Europeans surrendered and agreed to cover the portion of the deficit this shitshow causes.>when will it endEither when russia implodes for no reason as it sometimes does, or when the frontline turns so bad that the prospect of being a poor post-war country becomes better than the real possibility of russia grabbing significant chunks of the country. Either probably 1-2 years from now
>>520064991>how does this end? >this is how it ends
>>520067627>Bonkers civil conflictQuite honestly none of our business to get involved with. Not sure why NATO countries are so upset by it all and so aggressive towards Russia about it, especially since Russia has done nothing towards them.
>>520065447Did they invade western Germany?
>>520067954They want war so they can kill as many white men as possible as fast as possible.
>>520067223Something like that but I'm sure Russia wants to push the borders further and the DMZ looks too small
>>520067954wtf do you mean why, it's a centuries old strategic plan to split russia, russia just stepped up before everything was in place
>>520066516>but what about the warYes, what about the wunderwaffes and "be fearful, enemy"KEK
>>520068004Many such cases and they're doing a great job of it again.
>>520068115>wunderwaffesthis one?
>>520068115>>520068168no surely this one
>>520068147Trump is really the only one who is trying to stop it. The eurotards seem salivating at the chance to kill their own people.
Instead of wasting all this time and money in Ukraine we our country could have invested somewhere else or came up with a new solution for whatever problems they feel occur if Russia takes Ukraine back. I say just let them have it - make them pay to rebuild it and let’s have America do something actually useful for itself. The USA should not be involved in wars that don’t involve us taking the property of whoever we are fighting. Fighting and not taking shit over is the biggest waste ever imaginable.
>>520067801How is russia doing well? It's honestly embarrassing how poorly they're doing. Stuck in trench warfare trading drones and lives because they can't obtain any kind of superiority against one of the poorest, most corrupt european nations.I don't mean to sound like I'm coping, obviously they'll win eventually because they have that many more lives to trade, but they're objectively not doing well and really haven't been at any point. They tried maneuver warfare in the beginning but got completely bogged down. It's crazy how they haven't developed tactics beyond covering their tanks with obscene amounts of makeshift armour and pushing forward at the cost of the lives of their young men. It's coming up on 4 years eventually and they haven't done SHIT to help their men as far as protecting lives.
>>520068398>against one of the poorest, most corrupt european nations.lol
>>520068168>>520068211Please post the Ukrainian vehicles desperately trying to resupply their encircled troops in Kupiansk and Pokrovsk. Oh wait, they're all one fire due to drone strikes. The cages and caterpillar shit is funny but I've yet to see an effective counter to fpv drones from either side, NATO included.>>520068243True, although the USA needs to fix its budget deficit and rotate east to counter China. Ending this war would be beneficial.
>>520067800>1 Zigger video for every 50 Ukraine video.Nice job Nigel.But oh well, Ivan says he wants to continue the war. Explain why watching Russians getting blown up with my tax money is a bad thing?
>>520067627Glad to see others remember that too
>>520068666atleast ukraine still has vehiclesmeanwhile in the 2nd army of the world:
>>520068669Sadistic kike just enjoys watching white people getting killed. Impressive Russia is advanced with increasing speed on every front with such losses.
>>520068398They are doing real good, 30 Russians per 1000 Ukranians, it won't last that much, cleaning a cunt is a tough duty.
>>520068775Look at all that wonderful land they're going to annex. I'm sure they will rebuild it and give it top notch living standards, just like Karelia.
>>520064991The most likely scenario is Russia will win eventually. It might take 6 months, it might take 5 years. There's a permanent draft right now. They'll just keep sending their troops into the meatgrinder. They don't give a fuck.
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow end?With Harkiv and Odessa liberated, and a puppet regime installed in Kiev.
>>520068850LOL blame kikes.Ivan says HE wants to continue this war. You're so fucking dumb. Just shut the fuck up.Every dead Russian is on Putin.Can't wait until next month income taxation, knowing I just funded another 300 drones for Ukraine.
>>520068850>is advancedlow IQ subhuman hands typed this
>>520069058Everyone knows Russia will win. The real question is how many ziggers can we kill before they do.
>>520069058this. It's an existential crisis for them if Ukraine goes full NATO as it fucks their borders up royally and puts their cities at risk. They'll throw everything at it until they're done I expect.Captcha:Ram80Full Rambo indeed
>>520064991proxy war will end. zelenski regime will gone. ukraine will turn to be a happy neutral country
>>520065447>try to crawl its way into Europe and ruin society.have you tried not starting proxy wars on our border if you don't like consequences?
>>520064991crimea + the 4 oblasts up to the black border are basically the total area of england. ~50,000 sqm
>>520069263>>520069325Why nafoids type like you've only spent 5 minutes on the internet? Unable to discuss anything, just hurl insults and post gore. It's kinda sad, anons. Phone posting at 1am also. Enough of you deluded faggots.>>520069386>HappyKek
>>520069058russia will not survive over the winter with all their income gone. if ukraine destroys russias powergrid and fuel economy then russia will collapse completely
>>520069669We can only hope.Do you burn the logs?
>>520069743our border has been closed for 2 years vadim but ofcourse you already knew that
>>520069962Vitun mieslapsi.
>>520069669this. experts suggest it will take about 2 more weeks
>>520068398>economy outgrows entire G7>outproduces all NATO in shells and ammo>went from being 30 years behind the west on technology to being ahead in most warfighting domains>tried knocking out ukraine. When that didn't work, captured their minimum wargoal in a few weeks, dug in, and no amount of western equipment could smoke them out of there>fight with well paid volunteers, while the other side has to drag people off the streets turning the stereotype on its head>done heavy damage to european economies and cut its dependance on them at the same time>poorest most corrupt countryby far largest non russian military in europe, which receives more aid than the entire russian military budget, from a block that outnumbers russia 10:1 by populaiton and 25:1 economicallyRussia invaded with 160K into a country with a 350K army and 900K reservists. After the country didn't collapse like they hoped, they captured the minimum they wanted and kept it ever since. What is true is that Russia seems to be incapable of maneuver warfare and breakthroughs. But as far as the war as a whole goes, they captured territory from the largest other army in europe despite being far outspent, and closed a 30 year gap in technology.
>>520070027do you think chyna will save you? or will they take something from you?
Two more weeks.
>>520070213>2025>ei polta röökiäOletko koulukiusattu, kehitysvammainen vai molemmat?>m-mutku siihen kuoleeNiin? Oliko elämä kilpailu kuka elää pisimpään?>siihe jää koukkuu!!!Ei jää, jos ei ole alaikäinen ja osaa polttaa kohtuudella.>s.. SIIHEN MENEE RAHAA!!!Kuka pakottaa ostamaan askin päivässä, vitun turvenuija
>>520067698So Austria?
>>520070282what was that? did something happen in budennovsk? did you hear something?
russia will not exist in 2027. screencap this.
>>520068398>against one of the poorest, most corrupt european nationsWith material support from all of NATO and even more members outside of it
>>520070390:D
>>520070463it would be a shame if ulyanovsk got destroyed the same night. oh wait
>>520064991Who cares as long as we get more dead slavniggers
>>520064991>Mr. Putler won't even landlock Ukrainegrim
>>520070631Kikkeli :DDD
>>520070689but surely bashkortostan is out of reach tonight. zar punya protec-ACK
>>520065349attempt to show military might + showing restraint to force a negotiation table, as it is pointless to fight a nuclear superpower anyway.russia would have taken very little but avoided the cost of war and the sanctions.ukraine would have lost a bit but avoided the destruction of war.Russia would have saved face by seeing the display. we are strong to negotiate with us is reasonable thenukraine would have saved face by claiming that fighting against a nuclear power is unwinnable, but we are scary enough and a good deal for us is still a win.Initially russia may not have even taken the donbas, just forced ukraine to reduce its army.too bad the west and ukraine's leadership don't care about that country at all.
>>520070919I care about all the dead slavniggers and want to fund more of them
>>520064991It's not ending anytime soon if he seriously wants all that shit. There are bunch of 100k+ pop cities he would have to be able to invade and occupy. How does he imagine to accoplish that when the past 3 years have been fights over abandoned villages and slog through endless trenches and drone dead-zones.
>>520071443Thats where the ukrainian troops are, retard faggot. You NAFO troons have been slaughtering women and children for so long you cant into real war anymore.
>>520067801No white or rich westerner respects or cares about Ukraine. This is a lie.
>>520071641They care about the jewish mafia that has the blackmail on them.Vids of sex crimes? ,black market kidney? They own you for life.>Oh look here is a missing orphans DNA, why do you have his organs in you?
>>520065447retarded faggot, not joining natroon is a must for russia requirement
Seeing Hunter Bidens laptops contents there is NO WAY the ukrainian jewish mafia doesnt have vids of crack fueled orgies with Hunter and underaged whores. The left supported the war to protect Biden (and other blackmailed politicians) and the republicans didnt want to be labled pro Russia in the media.
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow end?Either NATO joins the war or Russia gets everything it wants.
>>520072059No, rich westerners have helped jews for over a century now and they'll keep doing it for free just like other white people. No blackmail is necessary because its the same behaviour from the same race.
>>520065349Because Putin uses strategy. Something NAFO troons will never understand.
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow end?US nuking the highlighted red area with everything we got until it is a wasteland of radioactive molten cobalt where no life can be found, preventing Russia from advancing further and revealing me of having to hear about this second-world shithole anymore. And if the world has issue with this, they can stop migrating here en masse
>>520073330A strategy that made a 3 day operation last over 3 years and cost 1 million Russian casualties? idk bro, I don't think NAFO took the same route when they invaded Iraq
>>520072966>PicrelAh, so you should be annexed by Britain.Regardless how do you think Russia can get what it wants? Literally what will happen now that hasn't happened in 4 years?
>>520073805Keep hearing about muh three days but never any proof. Also the million number is made up there's no way to know how many are killed. I doubt either side even cares enough to count them
>>520065447>ruin societyFucking kek
>>520065254>in RussiaRedundant. All elections are fake and gay.
>>520073805Ukraine was ready to agree to Russian terms at Istanbul, retard. We promised Ukraine unlimited money/support if they would keep fighting, and Boris Johnson told Ukraine that "The West" wouldn't sign any agreement made between Ukraine and Russia(IE we would cut Ukraine off).
>>520073891>Regardless how do you think Russia can get what it wants? Literally what will happen now that hasn't happened in 4 years?How do you think, retard? Pic-related.
>>520074003Having retards voting for albo and claiming a turnout greater than the number of people in the whole region are two different things
>>520073805Is there a reason for this very particular wordplay that demands a cyclical style of “arguing”? Everyone that isn’t gay understands how to contrive the start of this entire conflict and it ain’t some “ooga booga my side I like” shit
>>520073957They did overestimate their ability to wage war with an officer corps that was filled with politicos and yes-men and troops that lacked any field experience. Kind of a similar situation to when Papa Adolf came flooding into the USSR. Russia has a history of baptism by fire war fighting. They get more competent as time goes on because the incompetents all die and younger, eager and most importantly: competent officers emerge. It's my opinion that Ukraine's best chances were early negotiation or even a push back... as the war drags on:Ukraine's allies and financiers grow more waryThe incompetents get killed either in combat or by taking a dive from a balconyRussia is less likely to accept less than favorable terms due to the amount of blood they've invested.
>>520074154Except that's over the course of a whole war. In the same 4 years Russia has barely taken any land while exhausting equipment and resorting to meatwave tactics.
>>520073957Just let them feel superior. Its their disadvantage.
>>520074176Good goy. Its incredible how the two opposing parties are almost exactly the same eh. Just like Canada and the UK.
>>520073957Well of course there is no proof because the 3 day SMO turned into a 3+ year war of attrition. You are free to suggest an alternative number of Russian casualties that suits your beliefs about the war, but it is undeniable that winning the war in 2022 during the initial push to Kiev would have saved a lot of Russian lives>>520074108So you're telling me that Ukraine fights because it has the capability to do so thanks to NATO support, and was only willing to capitulate when it was unable to fight on its own? Huh, no wonder Russia was so afraid of Ukraine joining NATO.>>520074258It's okay to dislike me, but you better be able to articulate why.
>>520071133Then kill yourself lol mystery mutt
>>520074412Are you blind, nigger? Germany lost more men in the Somne than Russia has lost in this entire war.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_SommeFrom 1914 and 1918, the battle barely changed on the Western Front. Then Germany collapsed.
>zigger seethe everywhere >even muh 2014 cia coup cope This war is the gift that just keeps on giving.
>>520064991that seems reasonable
>>520073805russia surrenders 2 more days just wait for it
>>520074386I don't agree with you at all. Russia has a history of change through fire, but not necessarily for the better. They fucked up in WW1 and withdrew, and only won in WW2 thanks to sheer numbers and the"victory at any cost" mentality.Right now they obviously don't have the luxury of rolling thousands of t34s off the lines or even enough soldiers. As for competence, I'd say it's the opposite. Most people in charge of shit in Russia are there because they keep quiet not because they're good at it. Same with terms - it doesn't matter what you've invested, if you can't get what you want with the resources that you have then you're shit out of luck.
>>520074775It's quite humorous to remind the shills that the end result of this war, should Russia topple Zelensky's government, is to put Yanukovych back in power. That's the political endgame scenario that Putin is throwing hundreds of thousands of his citizens into the cauldron for - to give Yanukovych another term in office.
>>520074611>So you're telling me that Ukraine fights because it has the capability to do so thanks to NATO support, and was only willing to capitulate when it was unable to fight on its own? Huh, no wonder Russia was so afraid of Ukraine joining NATO.Tell us something we didn't already know, retard.But even with military and economic aid three times greater than Lend-Lease, Ukraine is getting wiped out.
>>520074762You have to understand that white western people aren't blind or dumb. They are just arrogant. When they do meat wave attacks its high IQ and Aryan. When Russia does it it proves they don't care about their lives.
>>520074555As long as you ignore the bullshit taxes and east coast gas cartel, renewables etc. With LNP's nuclear we would be sweet but now idiotic VRE will get built, along with the billion dollar transmission lines just to get you expensive unreliable energy while paying LGCs to cronies. But hey, they're the same right?
>>520074927They're getting wiped out, and yet the war continues to move at a pace slower than a garden snail. I truly cannot fathom why the Russian army is deliberately moving so slowly when they could seize control of the country at their leisure. After all, they demonstrated this in 2022. They were even so nice as to let the Ukrainians have Kherson back, for purposes that elude the minds of all but Putin himself
>>520074937Russia isn't even doing meatwaves. The whole thing is retarded.
>>520075091>They're getting wiped out, and yet the war continues to move at a pace slower than a garden snail.That's how attrition works you retarded nigger. I was just listening to Zelenskike saying that the Russians outnumber kikerainians 8-to-1 in Porkroast. Ukraine is running out of men, yet also taking no losses.
>>520075111Aren’t you that middle aged, childless faggot who got kicked off his forum for being a zigger lmaoThe fuck are you still here for uncGo outside lol
>>520075111I know but that's not the point.The largest operation by Australia in history was the Gallipoli meat wave attacks organised by the cuckservative hero Winston Churchill. But he cares about British life or something.
>>520074762Great. You're trying to say that Russia will have some great breakthrough when they're struggling for men and equipment? I don't buy it, this is a frozen conflict
>>520074176>two different thingsThey're not.
>>520074412There haven't been any meatwaves for this entire conflict; you're a retard.
>>520075354You can ignore the namecuck, his life is a dismal failure in every metric possible. Sucks Russian cock yet has never even been to Russia lmaoooo
>>520075521Don't try to help them
>>520075274I got kicked for being antisemitic.>>520075354Russia is struggling for men and equipment? Since when? And as compared to what? Ukraine?
>>520075631Post hairline
>>520064991this shit wont end until russia is as big as the soviet union was. including east germany.
>>520075521If you ignore pow interviews or soldiers crying about being sent to Storm Z on telegram then yeah. Or if you prefer newspeak you can call them exploratory artillery and defense establishment missions
>>520065447> Ruin Society Europe needs to be freed from American influence before you can start talking like that.
>>520075034And when did they promise fag marriage, inflation and higher immigration rates during the campaigns you nigger slave?When did the UK Tories promise that? They literally promised the opposite. They're all the same.Romania and France blatantly rigged their elections and they are in the EU. The EU is supposed to maintain election standards but they endorsed the rigging. How doesn't that tell you anything?
>>520075631Visually confirmed losses by equipment type have been shifting since mid 2024 from heavy mechanised to light vehicles and even bikes. Either Russia has found a way to make tanks invincible, they decided that they're useless, or they're running out. For soldiers you can look at the contract payments which have been rising for the last few years. It makes sense that if you need more cash to recruit the same amount of soldiers then the number of willing soldiers is dropping. Or they're hiding hundreds of thousands of men somewhere.Anyway, tell me when this breakthrough will happen and what will be left of Ukraine?
>>520075800But you still wouldn’t advocate for Germany acquiring a nuke.
>>520075800>>520076187bcaus>ALL MEMEFLAGS ARE JEWS
>>520064991Russia wont let Ukraine remain armed, its going to have to be total surrender and disarmament.
>>520064991I don't know, but I imagine it's going to be a cold winter in whatever's left of Ukraine if they don't wise up and surrender.
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow end?With Russia getting out of Ukraine
>>520065029>Trusting Russian "elections"Lmao
>>520064991Unconditional surrender of Poland.
>>520065349He tried and failed
>>520076344Correction: Russia retreats back to 1991 borders in exchange for being allowed to have an economy again, declares victory “we killed all the Nazis!” pretending it never cared about the Donbass. Nobody corrects Putin, ziggers on /pol/ cheer like the zombies they are, just glad they won’t be next into the meat grinder.
>>520065414>NATO is going to chimp out and start threatening Russia The reality is the other way around. Russia is the one that has been chimping out and threatening NATO countries
>>520065142They uh…held a vote
>>520076153>Either Russia has found a way to make tanks invincible, they decided that they're useless, or they're running out.It's both, and neither. Russia is using motorcycles largely because they offer redundancy.Basically, if you have ten men in a single vehicle, and that vehicle is damaged. Then you have ten men on foot who are easily picked off by drones. If you have ten men on motorcycles, then even if you lose one motorcycle, you still have nine men on motorcycles.Which is also why Ukraine is using motorcycles now as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVSBWtcUXlQ
>>520064991>They think they're getting KhersonOk Russians, get back in the kill box.
>>520064991Zelensky will have to fuck a pig live on air as part of the peace agreement.
>>520075354This is by no definition a frozen conflict. It's currently not even a stalemate, it's just slow and localized. Zoomers are so afraid of this lmao, they expect everything to be WWII despite neither side having the same number of soldiers as even one Army in the eastern front of WWII. I can't imagine what you fags would think if you had to study Vietnam or late war Korea.>Durr why doesn't the US just invade North Vietnam?
>>520066646>Its like neither side has the ability to winExcept that Russia is slowly but surely taking the land they aimed to take? Except that Russia could unleash a lot more bombs on Ukraine and target it a lot more indiscriminately?
>>520076633Post hairline kek
>>520076153>For soldiers you can look at the contract payments which have been rising for the last few years.Yes, Russia is having to pay more money to attract the numbers of troops it wants, but the idea that Russia is "struggling for men" is utterly retarded. Russians vastly outnumbers Ukrainians already, and the imbalance grows every single day.
>>520065220It won't collapse any time soon since NATO their combined arms production is enough to match Russia's. Neither NATO or Russia are at their peak production potential yet.
>>520065447>ukraine>independent >joining nato >20 year forecast Genuinely one of the dumbest posts I’ve read all month so far. Just stop
>>520076755Economically Ukraine has already collapsed as a nation and is surviving off of western financial aid + western armament production that is given to them. They have no means to pay back any loan.
>>520068398>Stuck in trench warfare trading drones and lives because they can't obtain any kind of superiority against one of the poorest, most corrupt european nations.At the start it was one of Europe's most armed countries too. (probably still is with all the equipment they have been getting)
>>520076633It serves a purpose but is risky. The chance of one guy getting fucked is astronomical compared to an armoured vehicle. One light suicide drone will destroy a motorcycle but not an IFV and definitely not an MBT, hence we still see them be used but not as much.Again asking when will this breakthrough happen? So far you're saying that everything is fine for russia, even better than before, but are very hesitant to say specifically what you expect to see
>>520076750I'm 45. I'm joining the like 75% of men who get old.
>>5200696692moreweeks
>>520076943>They have no means to pay back any loanoh, yes, they can give the other half of the country to america(jews)it's like this whole thing was prepared or something
>>520076690Yeah bad choice of words but the other guy was expecting some sort of breakthrough and it's not happening.
>>520076295Russia doesn't have the ability to disarm Ukraine
>>520076997>Again asking when will this breakthrough happen?How would I know? All I'm saying is that it is inevitable. Why wouldn't it be?
>>520075800Never going to happen. Eastern Europeans remember how bad communism was and won't accept Moscow rule again
>>520065794>Russia's unprovoked and illegal invasion >in a very nasally Jewish voiceStopped watching there
>>520066253They aren't that retarded. Study basic international security theory and you'll understand why Russia has not and will not nuke Ukraine. The risk of nuclear escalation, no matter how remote, is not worth the benefits of conquering a few more shitholes in Ukraine.
>>520076750Sorry, picture was sideways for some reason.
>>520073330>Strategy is losing over a million men in a three day special military operation that has lasted three years Holy cope
>>520076753And yet they still haven't taken pokrovsk. Crazy
>>520077198Kek
>>520076753I don't know why you're posting about the number of tanks doubling in 2024 when we agree that it has gone down significantly since.Russians do outnumber Ukrainians, but that force isn't accessible. When a mobilisation of 300k in a country of 140m was announced the borders to Georgia were held up for days, there's no will to fight unless it's for money. The number of people who even do that is obviously shirking by those numbers. What will Russia do, up the payment to a million bucks per soldier? There's no money in the budget for that so either they end it soon, or face the reality of mobilisation/withdrawal
>>520075354Steiner is on his way
>>520064991>how does it end?Ukraine surrenders
>>520075207A war of attrition is only present when neither side can easily overpower the other. Are you suggesting Russia isn't powerful enough to swat away an army of trannies being led by a gay jew?
>>520077334>And yet they still haven't taken pokrovsk. CrazyAnd how much longer? Pic-related is from one of my favorite pro-western youtubers. If he's saying it has to be bad.
>>520077269Oof receding as fuck
>>520067627The revolution of dignity had nothing to do with NATO, vatnigger. Ordinary Ukrainians were sick of their pro-Russia government selling out the country >went in and massacred hundreds of its citizens and crushed them in the streets across south and east Ukraine triggering a major civil conflict.The Donbas Conflict was caused by Russia sending weapons to communist separatists. They did this to destabilise Ukraine after stealing Crimea
>>520077533Two more weeks, comrade!
>>520077165I just told you, the numbers aren't there in terms of force generation. Tactics which have achieved local victories in terms of territory aren't sustainable and have come at the cost of countless men. The cities we're talking about are absolutely tiny - it's taken over a year to take pokrovsk with no doubt unfavorable losses. How do you think slovyansk and kramatorsk will be captured which had a prewar population of about 300k?
>>520077677>>520077640>>520077410Remember these psychopathic britniggers when shitskins rape their people. They're all like this.
Wait so let me get this straight: Ukraine has a draft but Russia doesn't? Well that means that Russia will win. They aren't even using their full manpower. The wildcard however is if Putin's regime can survive a resort to a draft.
>>520077711>it's taken over a year to take pokrovsk with no doubt unfavorable losses.Why would Russia be taking unfavorable losses? Because Zelensky said so?How many men do you think Ukraine has had in the Army since the start of the war? How many are left?
>>520077269>45My 62-year-old dad looks younger than you.
>>520077791Nah mate, taking an urban centre in a long and bloody battle actually inflicts more losses on your enemy than it does on you. Holy shit you're retarded, at least you're a namefag so easy to filter
>>520077633I'm basically British. What do you expect?
>>520078007>My 62-year-old dad looks younger than you.I look a lot younger without the beard. But I like the beard. I never really cared about getting old. At least not since my like 30-year old mid-life crisis. I was also suicidal for many years and basically hoped I would just die(in my sleep). I feel a lot better though lately. Haven't really felt suicidal, ironically, since covid.
>>520077768Russia literally has mandatory conscription, so they don't need to draft since the measure to have young men serving against their will has been codified for generations
>>520078660Conscripts cannot fight in Ukraine, retard.
>>520077558At this point, its been about a year since they reached the outskirts. Is that an acceptable timeline for you? One city a year?
>>520078660Conscripts don't get sent to Ukraine unless they volunteer. You already know this too, you just pretend not to. Every year it's the same thing.
>>520078285Fair enough.
>>520065220>one day everything just collapsesIt's crazy to think we will see a modern military rout. Instead of Panzerfausts, the old men and children will be piloting the last DJI drones with Xbox controllers, Meta vr goggles, and their own smartphones. 21st Century warfare is beyond dystopian.
>>520078701Conscription fulfills all in-country military roles and the idiots that are conscripted are offered incentives to volunteer to go to Ukraine. You have done nothing to prove me wrong about anything I have said this entire thread, but you sure have been getting upset. Are you mad thay Yanukovych isn't already in power?
>>520064991Until Russia gets everything they want. That’s how it works when you lose a war. You don’t get to dictate to the winning side what you want and if you try they just continue on taking g more and more.
>>520078845And what does Russia want? The narrative keeps changing, just want to get an update on what the demands are now
>>520078720Do you even understand how war works? You think war is like levels in a video game?
It doesnt. at least 10 more years unironically
>>520078820>the idiots that are conscripted are offered incentives to volunteer to go to Ukraine.Yes. They are offered money to fight in Ukraine and they do so voluntarily. As I said, conscripts cannot be sent to Ukraine. So why bring them up?
>>520078921I think the pace of this war indicates incapability to achieve goals in a timely manner, which is not to an attackers benefit. Can you provide any counter, any historical examples of countries that benefited from deliberately drawing out a war longer than it has to be, instead of just winning?
>>520078820>Are you mad thay Yanukovych isn't already in power?No. I'm mad that my government is run by kikes who picked a fight with the Russians for some retarded reason and destroyed my country with immigration.
>>520079036>I think the pace of this war indicates incapability to achieve goals in a timely manner, which is not to an attackers benefit. Can you provide any counter, any historical examples of countries that benefited from deliberately drawing out a war longer than it has to be, instead of just winning?I cannot prove a counterfactual, but if Russia's goal is to avoid an insurgency, how would they do it?
>>520079015I bring it up because Russia gets to say they dont draft by implementing the exact strategy you just confirmed. They still need to push people onto the battlefield, and they do it with young guys that are already heavily pressured by being stripped of their freedoms and forcibly conscripted. Do you honestly believe these guys are making well-informed decisions when they join a war like this? According to accounts from Russian veterans, they certainly don't receive the appropriate training
>>520079086>>520079197Genuinely tl;dr on those cute jpgs. If you cannot articulate your own beliefs, then I have nothing further to discuss with you. Also, you are aware that you can renounce your US citizenship and just leave, right? Russia would happily accept you as an immigrant. Any reason you would rather keep living in the US despite your grievances?
>>520079202>Russia recruits people by offering them money. That means they are losing.What are you even ranting about?
>>520066608Good answer
>>520079341There is no rush to volunteer for patriotic duty. Instead, you have Russians accusing Ukraine of using mercenaries from the west yet being forced to offer money to compel conscripts to throw their lives away in some beet field in eastern Ukraine. The guys doing the fighting don't seem to be as zealous about this war as you are, and maybe you should consider why you in your comfy American home might not have the full picture either.
>>520079327The first pic is from Pat Buchanan's book "A Republic, not an empire". Pat Buchanan is the greatest living America, and he ran for president in 1992 against Bush senior and gave his famous "Culture War" speech. He was extremely critical of the globalists/neocons and George H.W. Bush's "New World Order". Constantly arguing against immigration and for assimilation. He even wrote a book essentially defending Hitler, criticizing Winston Churchill, and decrying the "Death of the West".Basically, Pat Buchanan was right about everything. And he too hated the kikes who run our government, bitched constantly about us picking a fight with the Russians, and thought our immigration policy was suicidal(see Suicide of a Superpower).PS: The reason I post pics is basically to buoy my argument with something that basically says the same thing from someone "in authority" that you might actually know and respect.
>>520079640Even if I respected Pat Buchanan, would that compel me to respect you because you adhere to his beliefs?
>>520079524Almost 90% of Ukraine's Army are slaves. Almost all of Russia's Army are volunteers. Do you even hear yourself? You sound like a faggot and your shit is all retarded.
>>520079731Nice deflection, tardnugget
>>520079731>Even if I respected Pat Buchanan, would that compel me to respect you because you adhere to his beliefs?No. But wouldn't it at least add some weight to what I said?
>>520077765he is a romanian jeet squatting in UK
Imagine how many Ukrainian lives and homes could have been preserved if this never happened. Instead hohols decided they would rather be ethnically cleansed than live under Russian occupation. Imagine your friends and family all dying because your fellow countrymen don't want to live without tranny-coded bathrooms and DEI hiring practices.
>>520079902Would it? I don't believe the validity of a belief hinges upon whether somebody more famous than me believes it, or else I could cite a bunch of different whackadoodles, as if their fame or popularity means anything else.>>520079788Conscripts are not volunteers, that is my point. They took the money in exchange to die in Ukraine, but they were not free men when they made that decision. Have you ever thought about the role that peer pressure might play here, especially in an army notorious for assraping its juniors? Or perhaps economic incentives for the poorest, who are often the ones getting conscripted while the Moscovites dodge conscription by going to university and then doing their time as a cadet? Again, I want to emphasize that you cannot expect to have the full picture while living in America
>>520065220Friendly reminder that the western front of WW1 was NOT measured in incremental gains but it a total inability to take and hold ground at all. Germany held strategic initiative and was on the offensive in every sector and on every front except against the Commonwealth in Belgium.Germany's lastb and largest offensive came only weeks before the Black Day of the German Army, after which it still took a hundred days for route to become collapse.The Ukraine War is not being fought like WW1 and even if you stretch the allegory, Ukraine's strategic situation is nothing like Germany's.
>>520080009No this is what they're like. Always have been. All their white elites are like this too.
>>520080154Russian occupation didnt do them much good a century ago, so they decided to try something different. I don't understand how any American can fault a people for fighting for their independence against a foreign state that wants to lord over them. We are Americans because our ancestors made the same decision that the Ukrainians are making now.
>>520073957yeah hilariously putin actually said 2 weekshttps://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/the meme magic is real lol
Europe has an industrial economy an order of magnitude larger than Russia's. Why can't they just demolish every standing structure in Russia with cruise missiles and long range attack drones? This is a golden opportunity where they can bomb Russia but Russia can't bomb then but they aren't taking advantage of it.
>>520080206he is 100% gypsy jeet, brits that post here care more about the state of their country rather than some shitholes thousands of kilometres away
>>520080293Like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Grenada, Cuba, Serbia, Iran etc.?I can see why
>>520077548>we are willingly fighting a war of attrition, to be nice, instead of just winninglol. bet the russian soldiers like that. to the meatgrinder boys!
>>520069532You are literal orcs
>>520080597No, they don't, mate. Trust me.If they did they would be totally anti war right now but they aren't. They have always been like this. In WW2 they threw away their empire and ignored their depression conditions just to fight Germany.
>>520080156>Would it? I don't believe the validity of a belief hinges upon whether somebody more famous than me believes it, or else I could cite a bunch of different whackadoodles, as if their fame or popularity means anything else.I mean, Canada literally quoted Ronald Reagan to argue against Trump. It's pretty standard. Not sure why you're being such a fucking bitch about it.>>520080156>Conscripts are not volunteersConscripts are not volunteers. But conscripts are not sent into Ukraine. Volunteers are. No one is forced to join the Russian Army.But yes, I understand that a large number of conscripts do join the Army, and that they wouldn't have joined the Army had they not been conscripted.But my brother-in-law probably wouldn't have joined the Army either had a recruiter not approached him at the mall and basically offered him free college and what was claimed to be a good job with good pay and advancement opportunities and a retirement.I had another friend who was offered basically the same thing but they told him he would be a diesel mechanic, but they gave him some other shitty job, so he was drinking mouthwash or cologne or something to claim he had a drinking problem so he could get discharged because he was pissed off.Are you really trying to claim that is equivalent to what is happening in Ukraine?
>>520080598And every one of those nations had a responsibility to their people to defend against our foreign aggression. Russian shills literally have no response to this that does not exude cognitive dissonance. Either they agree that post ww2 borders should not be violated or that crushing the weak is justifiable, and in either case they end up holding the same rope that we lynched negroes with, so to speak
>>520080767But Americans didn't think so. I was making that point. That was the subject.
>>520080722>But my brother-in-law probably wouldn't have joined the Army either had a recruiter not approached him at the mall and basically offered him free college and what was claimed to be a good job with good pay and advancement opportunities and a retirement.Boom. Rekt that cunt.
>>520080722You seem too upset to have a discussion, so I am declining to reply any further. I want you to consider why your perspective, if it is as reasonable and compelling as you believe it to be, did nothing to alter my differing perspective. Now after you come up with a disparaging reason, reflect again on a genuine reason. You aren't an idiot, but you certainly are working with an incomplete puzzle set, and your conclusions are coming from what you are able to piece together. Its just unfortunate that you are assuming your opinions are objectively correct, instead of a reflection of personal beliefs shaped by a life experience that differs from others.
>>520080767>Russian shills literally have no response to thisWe were literally about to start WWIII because Russia decided to park nukes on our border inside Cuba. Russia's response to NATO's encroachment on its border is entirely justified, one would even say reserved considering NATO's involvement in the war.
>>520080931This American thinks so, but who cares what the little guy thinks? Leaders of all nations certainly don't
>>520080767>Russian shills literally have no response to this that does not exude cognitive dissonance.There's no dissonance, retard. Ukraine isn't a real country, and the government was illegitimate.>Either they agree that post ww2 borders should not be violated or that crushing the weak is justifiableEastern Ukraine is Russia, retard. No part of Iraq is America. You're basically arguing that China annexing Taiwan or Hong Kong for that matter is the equivalent of America invading Afghanistan.
>>520081063That's what you just wrote about>I don't understand how any American can fault a people for fighting for their independence against a foreign state that wants to lord over them. We are Americans because our ancestors made the same decision that the Ukrainians are making now.Da fuq is wrong with you? Memory issues?
>>520081022>Ukraine was going to renuclearize after denuclearizing less than 30 years priorRemember when Russia promised not to invade if Ukraine gave up their ability to force MAD? Seems like renuclearization would've been a good idea, in hindsight
>>520064991>how the fuck does this shitshow endthird party intervention.neither comi nor capi.
>>520077216USA is ok with risking nuclear escalation for a shitty little Island off China's coast
Never going to end. Think the gay strip will ever end? Fuck them both we live thousands of miles away
>>520080722>Conscripts are not volunteers. But conscripts are not sent into Ukraine. Volunteers are. No one is forced to join the Russian Army.>But yes, I understand that a large number of conscripts do join the Army, and that they wouldn't have joined the Army had they not been conscripted.fuckin lmao. okay ill bite. can you cite or source any information or website or anything that says that conscripts get to choose what their service is? because all i can find is stuff about how youll go to jail if you dont do your military service, and THEN if you have an excuse for not doing military service, youll go to jail for doing alternative work
>>520081141Yep, nothing in that statement invalidates my beliefs, and if more Americans thought like I did about invading other countries, maybe we wouldn't have such a bloody history of our own. You are highlighting my consistency of belief, not any hypocrisy you seem to think is present.
>>520065349Crimea was annexed by Russia 8 years prior
>>520081199yeah. stupid little island that does nothing (oh and provides all the chips and stuff for literally all of the united states military weapons). how silly of them.dont get me wrong, its pretty insane that the US let it get to that stage, but its pretty easy to see why they would risk that shit
>>520081248I didn't say it didn't. I demonstrated that it isn't shocking that Americans think like that. They always have. Its shocking that you don't understand why Americans don't care since they're the biggest aggressors on the planet.Learn to read.
>>520081010You spend so much time desperately trying to defend Ukraine that you refuse to see that Russia offering people money isn't the equivalent of Ukraine kidnapping them off the streets(and shooting them if they try to escape).
>>520081144Remember when NATO agreed not to expand beyond a specific line in the sand, and then reneged on the agreement and laughed in Russia's face because "it wasn't in writing you stupid faggot get rekt roflmao"?Time and time again the West has shown its arrogance, hubris, and disregard for honor when it comes to foreign relations and legitimate democracy. I really hope WWIII happens in my lifetime so I can watch China wipe out the mixed race remnants of a pozzed Europe and put these smug dickhead Washington think tanks in their rightful place (sucking cock for crack behind a Starbucks in Arlington).
>>520081234IT IS ILLEGAL FOR CONSCRIPTS TO BE SENT TO FIGHT IN UKRAINE. THE RUSSIANS FIGHTING IN UKRAINE ARE VOLUNTEERS. SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARDED NIGGER.
>>520081313You aren't making your point clear, but I have clarified mine. My view, which is my pivot point for the entirety of the discussion around the war in Ukraine, is that invading a foreign country is wrong. When accepting this as an absolute rule, all other statements I make branch off of this, which is why I uniformly apply this rule to ALL nations, even my own.
>>520076755Nato doesn't produce ukrainian men to fight this war. And ukraibe is running short on that. Right now if you look uo ukrainian forums, they are conscripting people with disabilities and sending them to the frontlines before tgey can complain in a court.
>>520081022>invades ukraine to prevent nato on border>Finland and Sweden join natoNiggerplease...
>>520081399>This thing I made up totally happened but there's no proof but it totally justifies our failing war of aggression against our neighbor just don't ask to see proofEmbarrassing.
>>520081421You tried to runYou tried to hideBREAK ON THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE
>>520081399That sounds like a grievance with NATO, not with Ukraine. Why is Putin fine with NATO being on his northern border? Isn't he going to punish Finland? No? Oh because then ALL of NATO will retaliate. That is why he went after Ukraine before he had to fear the same retaliation.
>>520081484I was responding to your incredulity at the attitude of Americans. That makes no sense to me when its clear that they never cared about aggression since they do it themselves. I never addressed your moral argument. I'm addressing your incredulity that you posted.
>>520066003At the speed tgey fight in zaporozje right now, it will take max 2026 to take it. Kherson was an issue because ukrainians were bombing a dam. Russians already have a foothold on the ukrainian side of the river. Besides, they seem to have bo issue crossing rivers in the rest of ukraine.And when you try to calculate the time it takes russia to take ukraine, you should cobsider thag the advance rate constantly increases. It took a tear to take bakhmut, it took half a year to take avdievka. It took months to take pokrovsk and a bunch of other important cities.
>>520081573>Oh because then ALL of NATO will retaliate.NATO is throwing everything it has, including the kitchen sink, trying to keep Ukraine afloat (and failing). I wouldn't be surprised if Russia decides to annex Poland once Ukraine is mopped up, and NATO members awkwardly wring their Jewish hands offering thoughts and prayers as Poles try unsuccessfully to invoke article 5.
>>520065029So I assume you'd support a bunch of Mexicans in Texas voting to join Mexico then?
>>520065220>>520065414Yes>“How Did You Go Bankrupt?” “Two Ways. Gradually and Then Suddenly.”>>520076474LmaoYour desperation to seem relevant is really pathetic
>>520064991until every fucking russianigger squatter is dead!TZD is not just anthem. Its the order of the fucking day. Orc pidors brought this hell on to themselves. Want it to end? Simple, They need pack up their shit and leave.
>>520081882>So I assume you'd support a bunch of Mexicans in Texas voting to join Mexico then?I don't support it, but you do realize that that is what is going to happen? Mexico has been flooding this shithole for Aztlan for decades. And these traitorous politicians allow it to happen.
>>520082047
>>520064991The black border is Poland. There is no end as Ukraine has basically shown they will not stop their kvetching. Based on how badly their recruitment is going and economy is collapsing this winter will be brutal.
>>520065254In Russia you are only made to think you have an election
>>520082155You're so close
>>520081421They have this very odd background of Russian groups that are in Ukraine. Completely made up and nothing backs it. Meanwhile Ukraine has had constant conscription and age lowering to nearly the absolute minimum. Weirdest shit I feel they just have some retarded ai that doesn't learn and just spews stupid shit nonstop.
>>520081882>>520082155The difference though between Mexico and Ukraine is that, although the spics think they have a rightful claim to the American Southwest, there were basically no actual Mexicans living there when we annexed it.In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, there were only 80k Hispanics in the entire Southwest. And almost all of those were actual Spaniards, not Mexican Mestizos. The invaders that live there now are all recent arrivals. Whereas in Eastern Ukraine, Russians are/were the majority pretty much ever since it was taken from the Turks. Pic-related.
>>520081534You can literally just google it. When the Soviet Union fell NATO promised not to expand beyond East Germany. Later they claimed there was an oral agreement and that no such agreement could be sustained without it being in writing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_regarding_NATO%27s_eastward_expansion
>>520082235Opposition parties have gotten up to 14%. Nowadays though I mean Putin is the face of the country. You couldn't name a single person besides him
>>520082235>>520082393Same as the west
>>520065447they just need to move into your neighborhood to ruin any society.Russians are literal niggersjust ask Estonians
>>520082425Just a different shade of Israel.
>>520082351Spaniards and mestizos were equal citizens of Spain and then mexico so it makes no difference to them.
>>520082351Cognitive dissonance cope
>>520082352>anglokikes renegingWhat else is new
>>520081573Force buildup in finland will be met dont think for a second it wont. Ukraine shouldntve militarized
>>520077269holy fucking kek, these are the faggots shilling for ziggers.
>>520082502Spaniards in America want nothing to do with Indios from Mexico City or Mayans from Guatemala.Regardless, my point is, if we're talking about rightful territorial claims. Mexico inherited the Spanish claim when it declared independence, but the part of "New Spain" that America annexed basically had no one living there. And the people that did live there had more ancestral similarities to White Americans than to Mexicans(which is why they chose to stay). Moreover, until somewhat recently, there were almost no Hispanics living in the United States.On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine is only part of Ukraine because Russia gave it to Ukraine. Even though almost everyone there was Russian, and was literally called "Novorossiya". In effect, Ukrainians are the invaders.
>>520082813OMG IS THAT A NORMAL MIDDLE AGED WHITE MANIM GOING INSANE NIGGERMAN
>>520080156>Conscripts are not volunteers, that is my point.You are a fucking retard, anon.Stop having an opinion on things you do not understand.Go read about how conscription works in Russia.
>>520083089>Did you just say bomb Russia and import more Indians?t. Anglokike
>>520066531yes because russia essentially engulving the most powerful continental NATO armies, Turkey and Poland, plus Greece, with fallout, both nuclear and from the economic collapse of food supplies, will end well for them. THIS will surely grant them access to the Ukrainian land.The US dropped the nuke on Japan as a test and because it essentially is a glorified island with no immediate neighbours that would care. If China weren't beaten at that point, they would not have done it because it would have risked a retaliation.
>>520067223Cool, and America accepts the 30 Million refugees from the annexed parts and also the "free" Ukrainian parts that don't want to live there anymore? Deal.I mean last time we took your Iraqi and Syrian refugees so it is only fair, bro
>>520083048You gonna return the Louisiana purchase to France, Texas to Mexico, Florida to Spain, the North to England, or are you giving it all back to Chief Wonky Feather who claims to be the rightful ruler because he is the descendant of Chief Yellow Ostrich who absolutely ruled all of America in 323 AD?
>>520069532you niggers are the ones trying to influence the West with your shitty ass propaganda along w. Chinafucking moskal
>>520083671France sold it voluntarily. Mexico inherited the Spanish claim but didn't even live here. Spain gave us Florida voluntarily as well.As for "The North", New England is who started the American Revolution(Boston, Lexington and Concord, etc). So England has no claim.As for the Native-Americans. I don't think they actually want independence. I think they just want gibs. They hate Andrew Jackson, but they actually tend to be fairly patriotic otherwise. At least that's my experience as an Okie.
>>520083964"Voluntarily" The king was forced to because the country was in a recession for supporting your revolution. And Russia didn't voluntarily give Ukraine its territory?No Russians live in the majority of Ukraine, as to your second argument
>>520083964So Kiev who started the revolution against Russia deserves to be free?I'm not hassling you, I agree with your sentiments, but you see how they can easily be turned against your point.Ukrainians don't want to be with Russians. end of story in that regard. Russians blew that by murdering them for the last centuries and let it cool down and then betrayed them once again.
>>520084421The area in question is mostly Russians, or at least had been from Catherine the Great until Lenin. See >>520082351In fact, the reason Russia created Ukraine with its retarded borders was to maintain influence there. Which is also why Brzezinski wanted Ukraine to follow a course of "National consolidation"(Ukrainization), to remove Russian influence.If Ukrainians were smart, they would have partitioned the country instead of committing suicide for fucking Crimea.
>>520084539>So Kiev who started the revolution against Russia deserves to be free?I'm fine with Kiev being independent, and Lwow as well. The problem is that Western Ukraine is a total shithole. Which is why they refuse to give up the Russian part.
>>520084596Crimea is more important for Turkey and Nato than Ukraine, sure. But it is also immediately important to Ukraine because it creates a naval blockade for trade and supplies. Crimea should be independent, I would agree with that. Independent and demilitarised for all sides. It is the access point for WWIII AND to the most important oil, gas and uranium deposits in Europe
>>520084694This map doesn't factor in that Ukraine feeds all of Africa and Eastern Europe with grain and produce in the "shithole" parts.2015 was a joke compared to what would happen if this supply line ends
>>520084731I understand why it is strategically and economically valuable. But, as I've said repeatedly, Ukrainians are dying to control territory where everyone hates them.
>>520084694Lets not forget that those regions have oil/natural gas deposits that would severely affect Russia's price leveraging over europe. Would be better if Russia took over both Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine in one fell swoop to have a corner on the market over the euro's but alas he has to cope with small pickings from ukraine.
>>520084851Agriculture isn't very profitable. The Steel produced at Azovstal alone was 1/4th of all Ukrainian exports. All of Ukraines billionaires were from the East. That's where the money is. Agricultural countries are basically third-world shitholes. The money is in industry and high-value commodities.Without Eastern Ukraine, Kiev is broke, and Western Ukraine is a third-world country.
>>520084911Compared to Russia, and the rest of the world, it is nothing.
