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>>520073070ZTalmud denounced Blood and SoilWar chads won
russzutts
>>520073094Why do jews trick slavs into killing each other?
>>520073381...Trick? Slavs love killing each other
>>520073202Why are you following philosophy it doesn't work on every people it's a sales talk.if it benefits you it's good if it's not it's bad that simple you can come up with that with gut feeling
>520073381>this was just a trick you seee!also literally kike tried to claim that he's cheering for Russia/that ukranny is losing using the exact same pic, imagine projecting such retardation freely.
>Trump stated that he plans, following the meeting with Xi Jinping, to lower the additional tariff rate on imports from China.this is why the shills are mad?
>>520073381
>>520073455Can we know if something really benefits or harms us?
>Pokrovsk, Myrograd, Lyman, Siversk, Konstantinivka before StinkyRussia loses if they can't take Stinky
>>520073499he literally just saved the US economy, problem?
>>520073495>just another part of the mastermind kike plan!
>>520073499shills are assmad because the whole front line is collapsing everywhere
>>520073346People are greedy/scared and things move fast. I only support Venezuela's sovereignty, but shit happens, anon.
>>520073499>Trump stated that he plans, following the meeting with Xi Jinping, to lower the additional tariff rate on imports from China.This is interesting, where have you seen this?
>>520073495That was a different agent.
giga cope general
Z
>>520073567WE ARE NOT SHILLS
>>520073070Thanks for the bread!
>>520073565>sonctionskike masterstroke move, watch and learn, this is real strenkf little ones!
>>520073644Thanks for the thanks, are you more tranquil now?
>520073581whoopsie!
>>520073579TASS telegram
>>520073499Orange pedo cucked out again.And this is from last week kek>>520073560>puts a gun to his mouth and threatens suicide>pulls it out at the last second, problem?
>>520073645Russia is the true homeland of the jews (khazars). Jews will place Russia above all others. In Russia, you can see the true face of the jew.
>>520073560>he literally just saved the US economyhow do you figure?
>>520072974I have ZERO problems with the Insectoids, they were offered a good deal and they took it, i hate the anti-China scapegoating coming from MAGA circles because it is mutts not looking themselves in the mirror and admit to themselves that they were the retards who ignored all those who warned them against this and choose the George Bush's instead......i am pro-China in fact, i want the Insectoid Imperium to overthrow the Judeo-American one BUT that whole CHINA NUMBA 1! stuff is complete bullshit. Serious discussions on geo-politics should be based on Reality not pompons being waved by cheerleader retards while shouting CHINA NUMBA 1!! GOOOO CHINA!!!Stop making /chug/ into a cheerleader arena and plebbit tier intelectual mutual masturbation circle.
>>520073713CST? Let me guess, Texas?
>>520073550KrasnoarmeyskDimitrov Krasny-LymanSeverskKonstantinovka
>520073626>weThen you could react to this?
>>520073455You're talking out of your ass. And so is the Lithuanian flag. It's the same as if I was voicing opinions on advanced calculus.
>>520073718Thanks!
>>520073665About what?
>>520071623PLEASE, I NEED TO KNOWWHAT'S THE MESSAGE? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>520073719>>520073748my portfolio is looking real good, problem?
>>520073315>Now, this is some really weird believe without anything to stand for it. But I've learned to respect people's religon, even if it's wacky.there's nothing "weird-believe" in a claim that consciousness is the byproduct of high neuro-complexity.Once you have too many neural connections, you begin to develop an "central awareness" (which is exactly what consciousness is)."I think, therefore I am" (cogito ergo sum) - is a famous quote that refers to what a conscious being is. >t. Descartesalbeit its a very basic, juvinile level of explaining awareness and cosciousness. But it's a good starting point.Think about picrel I attached. Neuroscience only deals with individual threads in this picture. But the resulting image that comes from those connections is what consciousness is. It's a byproduct of high complexity.And notice how no single person on the planet can explain what consciousness is, without evoking words like "soul" and "spirit". Again, stand-ins for something he feels but can't explain.>So, ethics, logic, epistemology, nothing is philosophyethics, logic, epistemology, philosophy have ZERO relationship to actions or behaviour.This is not even a debate at this point.People almost NEVER do what they believe in.If you dislike your government, will you go and overthrow it? No you will sit in your basement and seethe online. Because your beliefs, morals, religion, philosophy aren't strong enough to cause action or physical change. They're just language explaining what you feel.>Physicalism is fake and gay. And so are you.you're free to prove it, but you can't
>>520073833About the glaring fact that you’re brown and lack a soul.
>520073779Rookie Numbers
>>520073833The whole thing in RJ.>>520073801The Philippian is funny, the Lithuanian seems to have picked the modern "tech" religion to follow, this is annoying. >>520073861Please anon, I'll not annoy you, but I don't want you to preach your faith to me, I find it profundely wrong.
>>520073847Probably something along the lines of "peepeepoopoo" and "israel won"
>>520073719The art of the deal is bluffing, then telling your counterparty that you're bluffing.The retardation on display is remarkable.
>>520073534That's the tricky part because sales talk is designed to make things positive even haw unpalatable it is
>>520073857I'm not American so I have no problem with Trump rugpulling his voter base to profit from inside trading kek.Seems to me that they want to squeeze what's left of America before jumping ship.
>>520073934Just wait and you see…
>>520073972and yet it works, get fucked
>520073877Imagine shilling for literally globohomo and the subhumans it enables and supports (kikes) and coming to chug to do it while calling others "soulless". Convince me they aren't demons/lizards, challenge impossible.
>>520073928>Please anon, I'll not annoy you, but I don't want you to preach your faith to me, I find it profundely wrong.I'm not preaching faith, I am explaining observable reality. If you can't engage me on the same level, then just say so. Say your faith prevents you from talking about physical reality.I can respect that
>>520073928I feel bad because I was reading and watching other people's accounts and stories. Lots of arrastão in many places, and there are still wounded people getting pulled out of the forest.
>>520073990just say you're poor and can't afford to invest in a booming stock market next time
>>520073990they're squeezing our "allies" too
>>520073847The message is [spoiler]Drink your Ovaltine[/spoiler]>>520073861I liked you more when you posted anime butts.
>>520073972>>520073719I'm hoping Xi doesn't even sit down with Trump.Just walk in and hand him a note that says "We're not bluffing, and our position is sustainable. Have Rubio call us when you're serious about rapprochement.".
>>520073980Only the most vulgar forms of philosophy tries to sell something, tho. Much of it is just people speculating about reality and leaving their speculation registered.>>520074032>I am explaining observable reality.There's no observable about making up a biased definition of conscience like "you begin to develop a "central awareness" (which is exactly what consciousness is)." there's only your believe that consciousness is somehow related to this.
>>520074053What exactly is the problem here? Why shouldn't we squeeze these worthless faggots for all their worth?
>>520073861Project Stargate proves that physicalism is fake and gay. Also, you didn't even reply to me, and conflated both IDs.
>>520074030Why are you a coward and refuse to give (you)? It makes navigating chug difficult. Please stop doing this, I am not a shill.
>520074012>Bethesda
>>520074047Problem? Still laughing at MAGAcucks being betrayed over and over
>>520074038But you're safe and sound, this makes me happy.
>>520073877Why didn't you reply when I asked you to post hand with timestamps?
>>520074129Betrayed? We're fucking winning lol, grocery price status in cuckland?
>520074120>shilling for globohomo on pol, shilling for kikes on chugYes surely an organic goym.
>>520074047bro the stock market is not booming for any real reasonat best it's propped up by the (rapidly) declining status of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency where the federal reserve prints money and lends it out specifically to increase the stock price (and real estate), at worst it's that plus an enormous AI bubble driven by largely the same processi recommend investing in real assets
>>520074175When was that?
>>520074109>Why shouldn't we squeeze these worthless faggots for all their worth?you're talking about americans here or our allies?
>>520074221>retard that got fucked by goldlol
/ptg/ tourists are even more pathetic than /uhg/ spammers.
>>520073972Actually that can be quite effective.>is it just a bluff he says he's bluffing??It's bluffs all the way down the cliff.
Kikejeet status?
>>520074254our allies, dumb ass
>520074204>TRANSWINNG SISTERS!
Davis had Macgregor on againhttps://youtu.be/TaAfyRYh43s
>>520074254It's there are difference between how the Washington regime sees its citizens or vassal states? Both are cattle its eyes.
>>520073748Orange retard's tariffs are just a massive tax that destroys whatever is left of the real economy in the USBy lowering them he is saving the economy from the self-inflicted harm he caused it
>>520074054>I liked you more when you posted anime butts.I will always post anime butts, but serious discussion on human nature and consciousness/free-will is important today as well. Enjoy picrel.>physicalism is fake and gay.still waiting for an explaination on thisBut you're kinda mistaking me here, I never argued for physicalism. You did.I am arguing for determinism.
>>520074307>"T-THINK ABOUT THE WAGESLAVES!!!!"meanwhile numbers go up in my portfolio, WINNING BIGLY!
>>520074148Did you get really worried? Reading news about this place is really not nice. Next time something happens maybe it's better for me not to say anything, just get to safety and get to be together.
>>520074350Post them
>>520074342>physicalism is fake and gaysorry >>520074110
>>520074314Wrong linkhttps://youtu.be/4MK1zH0NaXE
>>520073801It's called adapting you don't have to add spices to it
>>520074054btw the image you posted was made by methank you for spreading it around
>>520074335nooo you don't understand, raising prices by declaring tariffs was just a bluff to make prices higher for no reason what so ever! There's no second point to this, that's it.
>>520074342>>520074366Causal determinism is physicalism. See Pereboom.
>>520074255lmao, gold is outperforming both the dow jones and the sp500 over the last 5 years, and that's despite the US printing trillions to inflate our stock prices
>>520074335The standard here for awhile.
https://youtu.be/F7WSMbcA7v8?si=9xO9w5cRlIRLhH5c
>>520074429gold price status? get fucked retard lol
>>520074319nope
>>520074359>Did you get really worried?A lot.>>520074342>I am arguing for determinism.You're not only arguing for determinism, but you're saying that you believe consciousness arrives from this or that physical process, and yet beside ourselves experiencing it, there's no trace of consciousness in the material.
>>520074211I learnt a long time ago that modern whites deserved to be ruled by jews. Whites have lost their conqueror mindset and adopted a slave mindset. We deserve this, if we die, we die.
>>520074303okay then we shouldn't rob our allies because allies are important, states are powerful and we may one day be in a position where we could use some help and cooperation
>>520074485finally, someone with a brain in here
>>520074429Gold has an actual safety net Digital currency and stocks do not Crypto does not Why did everything get so so so much worst after we went off the gold standard in the 70s hmmmmm
>520074350>lololololol employment is getting wreckedTranswinning doesn't stop with kike shills.
>>520074426>Causal determinism is physicalism. See Pereboom.yeah cool, so here's my take on determinism
>>520073857
>>520074515our worthless allies just leeched off of us, it's time we return the favor
>>520074478>A lot.Forgive me, please. I should have left earlier.
BR alien UFO believer...serious question:- If US glowers have such an deep and advanced program of reverse-engineering alien technology from crashed UFOs how come there aren't killer nano drones with anti-gravitation propulsion on the battlefields?
>>520074515Our Allies are committing racial, economic and ethnic suicide, they won’t be helpful
>>520074307Line goes up so it doesn't matter>>520074350>meanwhile numbers go upHe said the line kekImagine his last moments as he is about to be torn apart for food by ravenous niggers once EBT is shut off>you can't do this to me, I have so many imaginary numbers!
>>520074290This only works if you're as neurotic as Trump and everyone he surrounds himself with.Normal people will say "It seems like he's bluffing. Oh, he just said he's bluffing. OK then".And the stakes here are... some economic losses for China. The stakes for the US are... a complete standstill of advanced weapon production and, soon, scarcity of the manufactured goods propping up the stock bubble and major economic losses across the rest of the economy. China can afford to call the US bluff. The US cannot afford to be called.
>>520074478>there's no trace of consciousness in the material.this is wrong, consciousness IS the materialthere is only 2 forces in the universe:>entropy>matterentropy pushes towards disordermatter pushes towards orderconscousness is high level of order
>>520074544Line goes up! WINNING BIGLY>>520074554>he invested in goldLOL RETARD ALERT
>>520074606they'll tear you up first, I live in a gated community
>>520074547My take on determinism is Kane's arguments presented in the book “Four views on free will”, with adaptations.
>>520074615>this is wrong, consciousness IS the materialIf consciousness IS the material how come my subjective experience is limited to this one body, instead of the whole material?
qrd, what level shillcon is kike(shill)toshill communication?
>>520074342Just teasing. Can't have this thread get too cereal.>btw the image you posted was made by meYou have good taste, anon. It's a very good image =3
oh also, we've never had tires stolen in this community, or any kind of theft really
>>520074615No it's actually combination of the
>>520074681>My take on determinism is Kane's arguments presented in the book “Four views on free will”, with adaptations.your take on determinism is that you can't articulate your tack on determinism. So in general, you don't have a take, you just copypasta, and fail even at that
>>520074698Ironically, higher than communication between posters in /uhg/ or /ptg/
>>520074698I’m right. I don’t want to say it but I HAVE to say it. Accept it or don’t, it won’t make a difference.
>muh kikesit's called survival of the fittest, dumb asses
>>520074697>If consciousness IS the material how come my subjective experience is limited to this one body, instead of the whole material?it really isn't subjective. You share experiences, but they arrive in variations. Hence entropy
>520074624shill you recognize that chug is bumped to top by all this Talmud denouncing, what you think(lol) that will accomplish exactly?
>>520074467>gold price status?up 50% in the last year, up 20% in the last half year, again both better figures than either the dow jones or the S&P 500
>>520074803I just enjoy fucking you retards up
>>520074681Only wild animals are free. Man was never free from the beginning
>>520074742>your take on determinism is that you can't articulate your tack on determinism. So in general, you don't have a take, you just copypasta, and fail even at thatDon't be angry, he literally replied to a copy pasta of yours.>>520074799>it really isn't subjective. You share experiences, but they arrive in variations. Hence entropySo why do I experience this body, and not another one?
>>520074820Is gold $4000 yet? I see why you're so asshurt about trump, he really fucked your shit up lol
>>520074794>Jewish genetics >Survival of the fittest Jewish genetics alone proves the Jewish race inferior….
>>520074537i don't think gold is a perfect investment, but it is outperforming our stocks despite the federal reserve leveraging the last of the dollar's reserve status to print trillions at low interest to prop up our stocks
>520074764kike you're as transparent as glass.
>>520074856We are not talking about this sort of freedom.
>>520074561>>520074599this is very short sighted thinking
>INVEST IN REAL ASSETS...!!!>housing market: FUCKED>gold: FUCKED>silver: FUCKED>real estate in general: FUCKEDGET GIGA FUCKED LMAO
>520074828>I just enjoy fucking you retards upTracks.
>>520074889why are you losing?
>>520074335yepo
>>520074934>short sighted thinking >my allies won’t even exist in a couple decades Are you retarded?
>>520074599>Our Allies are committing racial, economic and ethnic suicideAt your urging
>520074981why are you losing?TKD, shrimple.
>>520074991Don't be silly, your allies will outlive you.
>>520074742>Guy who posted a sourceless copypasta accuses me of copypasta when I present an acclaimed philosopher's take on determinism from an acclaimed book in which he is arguing with a compatibilist and a deterministI presented it because you're interested in this topic. Pereboom's case for determinism is far better than this pasta.Kane's case for free will is commonplace among people who adhere to Aristotle's theory of action.Now, if you want to yap about fedora bullshit, be my guest.
>>520074934yeah and long term thinking like importing a billion jeets like canada and europe sure saved their asses!
>>520073861"verum factum est" is another famous quote. truth cannot be observed, it is created by man's limited experienceyou adhere to the no great man theory and blindly subscribe to the political project that is AI because you are, at heart, a liberal ideologue
>>520074903You scream ‘kike’ because of the fear inherent within you. As long as you deny reality, you will be afraid. Don’t be afraid, accept the truth.
>>520075031you can't even do that properly lol, it's over for you retards, just surrender
so the shills are deranged finance bro's?
>>520074981>losing Explain? Russia is winning the war If you mean as a race, Jews are also dying out moron The only difference is like a parasite the Jew can claim victim hood and guilt trip the weak minded and the cattle into cultural, racial, and national suicide Meanwhile in actual warfare the Jews can’t even take Gaza As soon as a Jew loses its claws on finance and economic hostage taking, it is a worthless demonic spawn shown for what it truly is A disposable nuisance
>>520075070Maybe shills are just trying to say "all is fine with the American economy"
>>520075070Nah, they think picrel is a flex
>>520075036two wrongs do not make a right
>>520075118russzutts are winning at the "kill the most slavs" competition lmao, Z!
>>520075004>at your urging Quite, its even deeper then muh nato It’s the wealthy, the Jews, the masses of cattle who willingly do so for their own benefits or false sense of virtue
>520075053Kike is said in the most sweetest grandma voice you could ever imagine, kike, maybe stop projecting your seething malding self onto me, just a suggestion, retarded kike.
>>520074889cope...one of the many things i give kikes credit for was understanding that the World was moving from the "physical" to the "intellectual" and developed a man-woman match making mechanism based on that, the most successful merchant had access to the daughters of other successful merchants and the community, priesthood and parents of the man and woman encourage them to have lot's of children, this increased the IQ of their race very considerably.
>>520074904Man is capable of both it depends on which purpose drives him either by feeling or logic
>>520075053Kike
>>520075160please tell me that is not one of the shill's wall clocks, i cannot continue living knowing this information
>520075068give upNo, ask nicely maybe, lolol.
>>520075206Good to see your believes are on the right side for this one.
>>520075130for sure, to project confidence has been a clear goal of the regime since day one
>>520075231It's a parody of the pic the gujarati shitskin "flexes" with constantly
the line just keeps going up and russzutts keep getting killed
>>520074860>So why do I experience this body, and not another one?you experience your body loudly, and the body of another silently. Ever heard of empathy?Did you ever feel pain in your arm, when you saw a person fall and break his?
>>520075213Where did you got this quote? I can't remember it in Mein Kampf of anything else I read from Hitler.>>520075269The more a regime put an effort to show everything is fine, the worse things usuaully are.
>>520075328i thought it was his picture but i was just being silly
>>520075184>>520075213One day, you will see the world how I see it. All of you will.
>>520075130I think what they ultimately are trying to say is that upcoming societal collapse wouldn't affect them personally because magic jew numbers that's kept on some cloud server a few thousand kilometers away will protect them.
>>520075336>The more a regime put an effort to show everything is fine, the worse things usuaully are.yea and to the extent the deception works it makes matters worse
>>520075035>I presented it because you're interested in this topic. Pereboom's case for determinism is far better than this pasta.>Kane's case for free will is commonplace among people who adhere to Aristotle's theory of action.>Now, if you want to yap about fedora bullshit, be my guest.people who can't explain their beliefs in their own words, and engage in appeal to authority fallacies - have no case to present. My copypaste was entirely writtem by me. Just me. Not relying on any famous name.And that's why I can argue in paragraphs about it.what can you?
>520075174>are winning at the "kill the most slavs"Still less civilian casualties than Iraq or Afghanistan, kike.
>>520075256Here's the tip law of universe no. 3 that's what I believe if you're able grasp it's symbols it's easy to pierce through veil
>>520075052>and blindly subscribe to the political project that is AI because you are, at heart, a liberal ideologueno, I subscribe to it because I'm a developer who works in IT and my job for the past 6 years was to replace human employees with botsand yes, my team replaced over a thousand humans so far. If you're interested how, I can give you a lecture
>>520075332>you experience your body loudly, and the body of another silently. Ever heard of empathy?>Did you ever feel pain in your arm, when you saw a person fall and break his?So why is my experience centered in this body, instead of another "node" like the body of the person who felt and broke his arm? Like, do you believe there's one single consciousness that manifest as a point of view when there's a proper material structure that can hold it?
>>520075472>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL CIVIES IN SOME RANDOM SHITHOLE
>>520075432I won't articulate jack shit to a fedora determinist. Maybe I would to a compatibilist. Or maybe I would if you knew how to engage in discussion instead of writing like a retard and arguing like a 12 year old kid.
>520075376how I see itTranny you will never be a woman, kike.
>>520075402Even if the US collapse, the Dollar will stay and they'll be able to buy everything they need with their Dollars, right?>>520075418Don't know what to tell you, here's a chart.
>>520075560get a job, faggot
>520075506>transwinning for 20 years straight
>>520075201You’re a Jew Your credit is garbage
>>520075160those sneakers make me jelly
>>520073070test
>520075604>not an ally on 4chis i seekike I thought the lifehax were to not be a wagepuppet? Kike is malding because I called his trannyvision out.
>>520075495>So why is my experience centered in this body, instead of another "node" like the bodybecause time and space, simple asyet despite you being centered in your body, your body still feels the aftershocks of pain from another's body.You see a person vomit, and you feel like vomitting yourself. You see a person fall and break his bones, and you feel that itch in your own bones.Yes, it is centered because time and space exist, yet you are connected, because you feel everything. Even solar flares.>Like, do you believe there's one single consciousness that manifest as a point of view when there's a proper material structure that can hold it?single consciousness is possible only when perfect complexity can be achieved when we speak of neural nodes. Consider it neural singularity. I don't know if that's possible, and frankly, it probably isn't. Why? Because entropy exists. Single consciousness would require = perfect order.Perfect order cannot be achieved in a universe that has entropy (tendoncy to dissolve into disorder) as a fundamental physical rule.But I suspect this is also where divinity and deity emerge from. All religions argue for a perfect order described as God, while the Devil is the mascot for the Devil
>>520075624cope...admit that the Enemy is smart and extremely tough in the Darwinian context of what tough means. The World is not a Marvel Comic you infantile retard.
>>520075706failed
Shills are keeping chug at the top with all this transwinning, rejoice kikes this is why you're here for, don't look so gloomy, be comfy, that's an order.
>>520075553>I won't articulate jack shit to a fedora determinist. Maybe I would to a compatibilist.in general we can conclude that you don't love the beliefs you hold. Because if you would love your own knowledge (philosophy = love of knowledge) you would lay it out in full detail, regardless of who is your audience. You would lay it out in full detail even for yourself.So all your simping for philosophy came out to be a sham
>>520075578I mean sure. And even if not, you can always try to pay off a feral nigger that's mugging you with stock of fancy AI company (the electricity only exist to the extent diesel generators are fueled up at that point).
>>520075706stealing your neighbor wifi again Janus???
>>520075213uncle adi :3 (pbuh)
>>520075764So you believe consciousness are created when material conditions align, and are annihilated when conditions cease? And yet every single individual consciousness is connected with the others?
>>520075764>while the Devil is the mascot for the Devilwhile the Devil is the mascot for entropy
>>520075850Shills are basically auto-bump scripts for /chug/. It's great, really. Dunno why they make normies ITT seethe so much.
>>520075945thoughts transcend all physical limitations and have been transmitted instantly in between two minds even when separate by tens of thousands of miles in specially designed rooms to block all electromagnetic frequencies/particles.
>>520075945>So you believe consciousness are created when material conditions align, and are annihilated when conditions cease? And yet every single individual consciousness is connected with the others?I am propsing that consciousness is not a "thing", it's a "temperature" or a "degree"To illustrate, water freezes below 0C, water is liquid below 100C, and water vamporises above 100C.If we translate temperature into neural complexity, then we can (for example) assume that consciousness is the vapour of 100C+ complexity. Conscousness by itself is not an object, you can't touch it, you can't make a photo of it. You can't move it, download or upload it. It's just something that is there, less touchable than air. Like temperature or like a level.
>>520075858You don't know how to differentiate "appeal to authority" from a further reference to an author to argue the same position as yourself.You're a hard hat labor worker who inputs numbers and codes in a machine and thinks that's reason enough for you to argue for determinism.In general we can conclude that you don't know how to tell a raven from a crow. Why would I articulate, say, Kane's argument on causal indeterminism to someone like that? To someone who says that "mathematics" is the field responsible for it, and that "philosophy is love for knowledge because somehow someway meaning is only captured by transliteration"? It's pointless.
>>520075418Turchin asserts the US is undergoing a revolution; however, if the conditions leading to revolutionary conditions are not addressed, how can the revolution stop?
>>520076125>I am propsing that consciousness is not a "thing", it's a "temperature" or a "degree">To illustrate, water freezes below 0C, water is liquid below 100C, and water vamporises above 100C.This is usually called an emergent property. >Conscousness by itself is not an object, you can't touch it, you can't make a photo of it. You can't move it, download or upload it. It's just something that is there, less touchable than air. Like temperature or like a level.Yes, in a sense it's not material. You argue that despite not being material it arises when material conditions align, like having sufficient "neural complexity", if I understood right.
>>520076176>if the conditions leading to revolutionary conditions are not addressed, how can the revolution stop?it can't stop, i think turchin is right
>>520076006>team prigozhinBoth sides trannies on suicide watch
>>520076125the only difference is that the epiphenomenon is infinitely more complex and limitless than the material, whereas all those state changes are arbitrarily more simple compared to the complexity of an electron for example, not even molecules.
>>520076176What kind of revolution, tho?
>>520076268I don't think he has much in formal studies, it'd be good to explain what the epiphenomenon is.
Batya Ungar-Sargon: "Only 13% [of Democrats] stand with Israelis against the Palestinians…""The thing that makes this so appalling is that Jews built the left in this country. We built the labor movement. We wrote the New Deal. 70% of the lawyers who worked on civil rights cases were Jews!""We've been at the forefront of every liberal and leftist issue in this country!"
>>520076420Kikes having a second Stalin moment.
>>520076281He specifically says that it's taking the form of legal warfare and elite turnover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCkA3-myJsRussia being attacked from space?Mysterious green objects appear in Russia.Is this punishment to Russia?New weapon? Or maybe connected to mystery object that entered our solar system for preventing a nuclear war?
>>520076349its the theory he's talking about, consciousness arises as an emergent propriety. The fact of the matter is that the nature of consciousness as established by physics is nonlocal so its literally impossible for it to be an emergent property of the material. Look up nonlocal awareness.
>>520076176>>520076245to expand on my answer, i think that eventually the underlying conditions, as turchin correctly points out as being the wealth taps being turned off, will be addressedchina is the most powerful country in the world, and the rest of the world will follow their model, and turning the wealth taps off is china became successful
>>520076420>Pro-labor left is long deadhuh, I'm noticing something.
>>520075494>>520075495God you people spiralled into philosophy lock just follow what benefits you it's just rationalisation of gut feeling seriously
>>520076509But like, who will be taking power in this revolution.
>>520076420he thing that makes this so appalling is that Jews built the left in this country. We built the labor movement. bullshit>We wrote the New Deal.revoution in the streets wrote the new deal>70% of the lawyers who worked on civil rights cases were Jews!gee, thanks!
>>520076236>Yes, in a sense it's not material. You argue that despite not being material it arises when material conditions align, like having sufficient "neural complexity", if I understood right.yes, it arises, but the reason why I don't use the word "arises" because that word by itself gives the impression that it's a thing that is "born" from certain conditions.What I am proposing is that consciousness is always there. Everywhere. It exists in everything.If we go by basics laws of monotheistic religions: "god is omnipresent, omniscent, and omnipotent". With regard to conscousness - everything is conscious - humans, animals, even plans are conscious. But we don't consider them to be conscious, because we arbitrarily assign human rules to what deserves to be called "conscious" and what doesn't.However, if we would admit that animals and plants are conscious, we would run into philosophical AND legal issues, when it comes to moralism and crime. Because the soul reason why humans are considered untouchable, but animals and plants aren't - is because of a desire to preserve certain levels of awareness. (i.e. think about the debate related to abortion - when is it OK to kill a child? It always comes down to level of his awareness)
>>520076420>Little Jew doesn't grasp the Grand Plan of the Top Jews"Managed Race War" was always the plan retards. You think the Top Jews would let the JEWest become all nigger/brown knowing how ethno-parasitic/egoist this genetic trash is??
>>520076578you are that which is aware is probably the most consequently and relevant information, always.
>>5200765123I/ATLAS coming to destroy Russia and save Ukraine>CONFIRMED!!!
>>520076578Do you know the Zhuangzi story about the fish enjoying themselves in the lake?
>AYY LMAOS ARE NOW PUNISHING RUSSIA!
>>520076647>plansplants*
>>520076670Never heard of him.whats his take
>>520076125Consciousness and identity is a pattern of electrical signals inside any given brain. It doesn't really exist as its own independent entity. Your personality doesn't exist separate from your physical body. Consciousness is an illusion that fools itself.
>>520076647>What I am proposing is that consciousness is always there. Everywhere. It exists in everything.Don't you think it'd be better to say that consciousness exists beyond space, instead of being like a broad overlay on space? That it exists unmanifested, and when conditions in the material align, it becomes manifested?Interesting, if I understood you right there are two existences, the material and conscience, both filling all space and all time.
>>520076667Yes here's the secret universe sacred number is 3 decode it's symbols and equation all things then make sense
>>520076676Cut them a break. They need all the peremogus they can get at this point.
>>520076670>was probably an anti-China based cuckservative and regular Jovem Pan listener just a few years ago, switched teams and is now on Ancient Chinese Wise Shit (tm) things
Good morning, /chug/. In ten minutes I'm gonna head out to work. THDTKDTalmud denounced
>>520076771One nice thing about Chinese religious texts, is how short they are, very easy to quote in full:>1. Zhuāngzǐ 庄子 and Huìzǐ 惠子 were strolling on a bridge over the River Háo 濠.>2. Zhuāngzǐ said: "The fish are out swimming about. That is the 'Joy of Fish.'">3. Huìzǐ replied: "You are not a fish; from what do you know the joy of fish?">4. Zhuāngzǐ said: "You are not I; from what do you know whether I know the joy of fish?">5. Huìzǐ reposted: "I am not you, and so I can't know. It follows that since you are not a fish, you can't know the joy of fish. So there!">6. Zhuāngzǐ answered him: "The thing is, when you asked, 'From what can you know the joy of fish?' you already knew that I knew this in order to ask me what I knew it from. I knew it from the bridge over the River Háo!"
>>520076630it's not really a revolution as he describes it, it's elites battling for powerbut the underlying causes of this battle, the elites turning the wealth taps up creating a huge elite class and immiserating everyone else, could (i think it will) lead to a real revolution
>>520076846>Consciousness and identity is a pattern of electrical signals inside any given brain. It doesn't really exist as its own independent entity. Your personality doesn't exist separate from your physical body.I agree fully with this> Consciousness is an illusion that fools itself.but not with this. Individuality is an illusion that fools itself, and individuality is what invents the myth of free will. Consciousness is not an illusion, it exists everywhere, like fire or heat. And the only difference is in how hot or cold it is in a particular place or host.
>>520073560Did you have fun at the poo-throwing festival saar? I heard Vance and his shitskin family were there.
>>520076865Instinct + process=consciousness
>>520076987>but the underlying causes of this battle, the elites turning the wealth taps up creating a huge elite class and immiserating everyone else, could (i think it will) lead to a real revolutionAh, this will clearly happen, and it'll be ugly.
>>520076865>Don't you think it'd be better to say that consciousness exists beyond space, instead of being like a broad overlay on space? That it exists unmanifested, and when conditions in the material align, it becomes manifested?My general metaphor is to equate consciousness to fire (poetically).Fire exists in space, it doesn't exist beyond it (at least to my understanding). But fire is just a chemical process related to heat and combustable environment.You can increase heat by adding more logs.You can increase consciousness, by adding more complexity.You can increase awareness by adding more conscious hosts into the fray.
>>520077102And if I understood you right, you believe consciousness can affect the material? No.
>>520076668toppest of keks>>520076512400lbs news turk, better get on his level!
>>520076970So basically fish don't marvel in water they are busy swimming on it?
>>520077266It's a prank on you, this passage is incredibly difficult to understand. But what I'm trying to say is that people philosophy among other reasons because it's enjoyable.
>>520076125Consciousness is verifiably correlated with frequency, vibration and energy. And verifiably non-correlated with brain matter.Cope, seethe and dilate.
>>520077253>
>>520077231no, this is a chicken/egg topicwho came first? Was it conscousness? Or was it matter?Thing is, as far as I am concerned - conscousness cannot exist without matter.But matter can exist without consciousness.So consciousness cannot affect matter.All expressions of conscousness are the will of matter itself.That's why I describe the universe as a binary system, or binary duel between matter and entropy. Conscousness was invented by matter, to oppose entropy.
>>520077347What he's describing is a form of dualism, instead of materialism, it's improving.
>>520077347>Consciousness is verifiably correlated with frequency, vibration and energysorry, but all physical matter is as well.Everything, frankly speaking, from your emotions to a rock on the ground, is frequency and vibration, and energy
Who's winning? Who's losing? and Tracer's butt
>>520077442Sorry, but you can't disprove the theory that matter is energy. Isn't this how you like to argue?
>>520077253Oh, we doing this again?
>>520076991I don't really understand what you mean by that.Consciousness implies awareness of the world in some measure. An entity without any perception cannot perceive reality, and consciousness cannot arise. It cannot differentiate between itself and the world.
>>520077384>Thing is, as far as I am concerned - conscousness cannot exist without matter.>But matter can exist without consciousness.By what you described, it could exist without matter, but it'd be eternally not manifested. Much like matter existing without consciousness would be forever there without "anyone" to experience it.>That's why I describe the universe as a binary system, or binary duel between matter and entropy.>Conscousness was invented by matter, to oppose entropy.I think this is called Dualism, the idea that both consciousness and mattery exists, both interact with each other, but both are completely distinct in nature.
>>520077403Era melhor ter visto o filme do Pelé.
>>520077065>Ah, this will clearly happen, and it'll be ugly.the collapse is already ugly, i think the revitalization has a good chance of working smoothly
>>520077537>Sorry, but you can't disprove the theory that matter is energy. Isn't this how you like to argue?I never said that matter isn't energy.All matter is energy, by definition.All entropy is the destruction of energy.
>>520077584because our empire is the one making things ugly, and once the empire is unsustainable there will be no one hanging over our heads forcing chaos down our throats
>>520077569>I don't really understand what you mean by that.>Consciousness implies awareness of the world in some measure. An entity without any perception cannot perceive reality, and consciousness cannot arise. It cannot differentiate between itself and the world.Everything has consciousness.The worn on the street has consciousness level 5.Your mom has conscousness level 50.Your government decided that "consciousness" begins only at level 45.
>>520077384>no, this is a chicken/egg topicAlso, it's not a chicken/egg thing, consciousness being able to experience matter but not affect it leads to completely different conclusions from consciousness being able to experience and affect matter.
>>520077605>All matter is energy,Good.>by definition.It's a theory. It's a position in the debate so far. Nothing conclusively presented. We don't know what dark energy is, we don't know what dark matter is.
>>520077561u don't AI my waifu
>>520077694Maybe you prefer a more sensual approach?
>>520077573>By what you described, it could exist without matter, but it'd be eternally not manifested. Much like matter existing without consciousness would be forever there without "anyone" to experience it.yes and this is the mirror metaphor.If there is nobody to "show my reflection" then do I really exist?Albeit irrelevant to this discussion at hand.>I think this is called Dualism, the idea that both consciousness and mattery exists, both interact with each other, but both are completely distinct in nature.You misunderstand me completely. And I don't know why.Yes, if you bring up dualism, then you should bring up Matter vs. Entropy.Yet for some strange reason you brought up Matter vs. Consciousness. This is wrong, they're not oppsites.I spent 2 threads explaining that Consciousness is just a higher level of Matter.While Entropy is what seeks to destroy matter and all its levels
>>520077678A rock doesn't have consciousness, a hydrogen atom doesn't have consciousness, photon doesn't have consciousness.
>>520077694Mommies getting off posting will continue until morale improves.
>try to make badass propaganda video showing off your BMPT Terminator>the barrels shake as if they're arms waving "hi" to the enemyLOL
>>520077792>Albeit irrelevant to this discussion at hand.Not really, it shows that in this system both consciousness and matter can exist by themselves, but both would only make sense when they interact with each other. Matter without consciousness would be like consciousness without matter.>This is wrong, they're not oppsites.I didn't bring it because they are opposites, but because by what you're saying they seem to be of two completely natures, like matter has properties, consciousness has no properties.
Colby Badhwar (Twitter)RT @FRHoffmann1: A Polish mass-produced ALCM is only a matter of time. We'll see if it ends up being this one or another design.I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: While Russia currently holds a significant advantage in the missile domain, we are inevitably moving toward a future in which it will be surrounded by neighbors each fielding hundreds, if not thousands, of conventional long-range strike weapons aimed at high-value Russian military and economic targets.This will make for 'interesting' crisis dynamics, as Russia's vulnerability to conventional counterstrike and countervalue strategies increases exponentially, year over year. https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1982819799173325142#m
>>520077678(((New Age))) fag shit
>>520077806From a scientific/material point of view, there's no evidence we have, either.
>>520077792>>520077693Shit it's either chaos and dormancy if you combine those then it's controlled
>>520077792You're arguing for frequency-vibrational consciousness and that free will does not exist.It's wrong. But it's not only wrong. You're arguing that a circle is square-shaped and that the Moon is square-shaped at the same time.
>>520077687>>520077693Look, both of you. If you still don't undersrand what I mean, I will explain in simple terms.Universe is a war between Matter (order/materia) vs. Entropy (chaos/dilution).One side seeks to build a structure, the other one seeks to disintegrate that stucture into nonsense. If you are familiar with laws of thermodynamics, and what aging/death occurs, you will understand this easily.What I'm saying is that Matter by itself is the main driving force of existence, life, and structures (which includes everything from governance, to medicine, to engineering, to religion, to morals, anything that is structurised and serves creation or preservation)Consciousness is not a "3rd force". It is simply a higher level (or DLC if you want) of Matter.Conscousness happens when Matter reaches a certain high level of complexity (be it MANY neurons, or MANY threads, or HIGH "heat") and transforms into a "government of matter" as opposed to being a "dirtpuddle of matter".Both "matter" and "consciousness" are different version of the same thing. While the binary opponent is entropy/chaos
>>520077745>>520077812jannieeeees this is illeeeeegal
>>520077806>A rock doesn't have consciousnessit does, once you understand what consciousness isthe difference is that your consciousness as a human is boss level 9000, while a rock's consciousness is rookie level 1
>>520077479ukranny been massively encircled in 2 places like everyone said, shills are mad
>>520078076meds
>>520078124Just tell them to learn alchemy
>>520078124So you're saying that there are two things, one of them actively seeks to increase complexity while the other to decrease it. And that "matter" matters the most because it's it that increases or decrease in complexity, while consciousness is always the same, only more or less manifest.
>>520078124>Universe is a war between Matter (order/materia) vs. Entropy (chaos/dilution).It isn't. It's an energetic multidimensional field that extends beyond the fabric of space-time, which answers in vibration and frequency, and which the vibration that we call "love" is the common frequency signature.You should start questioning the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.
>>520078194Let there be light and there was light
>>520077952you see? professional analysts are not cheerleaders (unless they are being paid to do propaganda), they use Reality, logic and reasonthe Judeo-Anal-Empire is still NUMBA 1, it's downfall is still far away and the troubles from Russian and China are just getting started...this is the core of what i have been saying to you pompon wavers
>>520078238Strongest argument presented so far.
>>520078346>It isn't.This looks a lot like Aristotle's Form and Matter, doesn't it?
>tfw both America and Israel will cease to exist in my lifetime
>>520077977That would be arguing word definitions. We have multiple perceptory organs and can differentiate between ourselves and the rest of the world.If we didn't have any there would be no disparity and nothing to differentiate between. Consciousness cannot emerge from an empty void, that would be a divine action.
>>520078346It's a combination of both things collided
>>520078378>the Judeo-Anal-Empire is still NUMBA 1By what metric?
>>520078407>ThisHis argument?
>>520078312Close but not exactly.One side seeks to increase order, but it pursues order by increasingly complexity.While the other side seeks to destroy order, and it's easier to do so, because there's less stemps involved.If you study religions, you will find the same bs."God is Greater, but the Devil is more present"Which can be translated as "Matter is more complex and needed for survival, but entropy/death is easy and is abundantly everywhere"
>>520077952monke will have to actually use nukes
>>520077952the ukraine has ALCM's, still getting 36:1'd
>>520078440>>the Judeo-Anal-Empire is still NUMBA 1>By what metric?GDP
>>520078424The real question is why there's an "I", a subjective that experience this world, instead of existing as an automaton?Like, why do you experience the world, instead of your body, including your brain, just existing, no subjective experience whatsoever?
A Russian IL-76 with alleged ties to Wagner flew out from Yerevan and landed in Caracas this Sunday. I wonder what the Ivans are up to again...https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/zr1801#3cd506ea
>>520078450What he describes by one side moving towards complexity (Form) and the other moving away from it.
>>520078506Your nukes are rusted heap they wont work
>>520078506doubtful, by the time the russian war machine is close to poland the russian army will have become an unstoppable force
>>520078568Wagner want to be destroyed by the U.S army again L M A O
>>520073495>Lloyd Austin estimated... more than 350,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded.
>>520078587
>>520078597it already is, but it'll be an unstoppable force x1000 or whatever
Baking.
>>520074384Imagine having Alexander as an alarm clock.GOODAY!!!Today is Tuesday 28th October 2025.
>>520069630> I remember a while back a single drone operator posting his own hits got like 80 in a month.There are dozens maybe hundreds of drone guys who killed 1000+ >and peoples wandering why dronchiks are always killed when surender
>>520078672lmao
Trump said that he plans to lower the additional rate on imports from China as a result of his meeting with Xi Jinping.
>>520078672I could live with that
>>520078568>El Luchín to the rescue againgas the zogbots! talmud denounced!
>>520078706>>520078706>>520078706>>520078706
>>520078767Nigger changes his mind like fucking hats.
>>520078459So in this system, everything that happens, happens because Matter, uppercase, is seeking to increase order, while entropy is seeking to reduce order?
>>520078818>El LuchínkekWould be pretty fucking sick if it delivered 50 tons of MANPADs and anti-ship missiles.
>>520076967Have a good morning, ser.THDTKD
>>520078917Admiral Levine saw her penis' shadow, that means 2 more decades of Minuteman 3
>>520078920This “system” has a name, and it's called the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.
>>520078542Simpler organisms are basically flesh automatons, taking same actions in response to the same stimuli. I'm assuming human subjective experience comes from higher complexity of the brain. We've managed to create language, which allowed us to better differentiate between different concepts and facets of reality. "I" of subjectivity was likely the pattern of the brain that had better success passing evolutionary filters.
>>520079111>I'm assuming human subjective experience comes from higher complexity of the brain.There are a few problems with this, tho.Subjective experience offers no evolutive advantage what-so-ever, a full automaton without any subjective "I" and a human with a subjective "I" can behave exactly identically. And second, isn't this just a leap of faith, to assume something completely impossible to measure by any scientific/material mean just appears because it does?
>>520077952>I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: While Russia currently holds a significant advantage in the missile domain, we are inevitably moving toward a future in which it will be surrounded by neighbors each fielding hundreds, if not thousands, of conventional long-range strike weapons aimed at high-value Russian military and economic targets.Russia's neighbours can hardly make rolling element bearings, certainly can't make enough to satisfy internal demand. Let alone chemical fuels, chemical fertilisers, high tech exotic alloys, machined parts or even food, in many cases. They're not even making babies of their native ethnicity above replacement level and are instead choosing to import fucking niggers and browns. But yeah, they'll make thousands (hundreds of subsonic cruise missiles aren't a threat to Russia) of missiles when they can't even make all of the ball or tapered roller bearings they need.Russia Derangement Syndrome
>>520079249>Subjective experience offers no evolutive advantage what-so-ever, a full automaton without any subjective "I" and a human with a subjective "I" can behave exactly identically.>t. doesn't understand local maxima
>>520079472I know a lot of arguments on why subjective experience should offer an evolutive advantage, one worse than the last.
>>520078076Are there actual fucking niggers in this actual thread earnestly arguing that consciousness and/or sentience is an emergent phenomenon which arises from complex arrangement of matter? Why aren't metals with crystalline structure sentient?
>>520078124>Look, both of you. If you still don't undersrand what I mean, I will explain in simple terms.Oh, wow. You are able to recite and regurgitate the tripe that everyone here has heard for decades or their entire lives, since early childhood. Very impressive.
>>520079249Thats why "i" is an illusion, along with free will. The idea that "I" is some sort of soul is a trick of the mind. I'm struggling how to properly explain this idea.These are just my "shower thoughts" on the topic, I don't claim them as the absolute truth.
>>520079546If you want to unfuck your understanding of evolution, google "giraffe recurrent laryngeal nerve"
>>520079692>I'm struggling how to properly explain this idea.This sort of thing is difficult to put in words.And maybe I agree with you, if by "I" we mean the ego, like the idea that there's a being completely separated from everything then yeah.But by "I" I mean like, why instead of the body just moving, there's subjetive experience, it's very hard to put in words>>520079721How Googling some material never should explain why subjective experience is related to evolution?
>>520079692Like, why there's a mind, the brain could perform the same without it.
>>520079823The body is still moving on its own. If we go with deterministic view, all our actions are taken in response to all external and internal stimuli that we can perceive.So what is subjective experience then? It's the same thing, but it's responsible for higher level interactions and future planning. Higher learning, extrapolation, prediction, analysis of complex patterns. Animalistic instincts can't deal with complex tasks.That sounds like a plausible enough theory to me.
>>520080361Reply on next thread.
