Surprise D66 Editionhttps://www.politico.eu/article/how-to-watch-the-dutch-election-like-a-pro-2/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Dutch_general_electionI don't know anything about dutch politics, so hopefully a toothpaste flag comes in and explains it better. Who is Rob Jetten?
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when do polls close local time, and whats the best website/youtube news account to watch it from?
Polymarket currently has Rob Jetten as the favorite to become Prime Minister, upsetting the favorite for the past several months.https://polymarket.com/event/next-prime-minister-of-the-netherlands?tid=1761715522872
>>520085247They close at 9:00 PM local time.
>>520085086.PVV-FVD. ftw.
>>520085086>Who is Rob Jetten?Just a guy. One of the better options rn
>>520085838English sources says he is a "social liberal". What does that mean? What's his position on immigration?
>>520085838>>520085892He's a fag. A literal one.
>>520085892>What does that mean?Are you retarded? That means he's a liberal with significant social democrat tendencies>What's his position on immigration?more efficient legal proceedings for determining residence statussupporting supporting the EU migration pactsupporting quicker integration for asylum seekerssending back those without a residence permit more efficiently
>>520086139Just say that you're a liberal fag following the enlightenment ideology, and be done with it.Why be so obtuse?
>>520086026.Rob Jetten is a Far Left robber.
>>520086207obtuse about what? I just answered his question
>>520085331.PVV will win, right?
>>520086404likely yeah theyll be first place still despite losing a handful of seats. Right now theres a chance that center-left D66 will beat them on this tho. So god bless PVV.
>>520086286Obtuse about who you are and what you support. Labels don't always match the reality, in Japan Liberal Democratic Party is a right wing party.Just say it's a fucking leftist. You know what the question is about. Don't pretend you don't. Fucking retard.
>>520085086Elections are fake and gay
>>520086495calm down lol
>>520086495Jetten's party is not really a leftist party. They're liberals. liberals are not leftists. If you think that's in any way an obtuse label you're retarded.
>>520086492PVV is zionist
>>520086404He made some big gaffs during the debates and his main rival on the right did very well, so most likely not. Plus it is basically impossible to make a majority coalition with PVV in it based on the current polls, so even if they are the biggest party they will not "win" in the sense of getting to rule
>>520086678it sucks because I like Geert but he's too obsessed with israel and will likely sell out to israel if he ever became PM. WHY CAN'T I FIND A POLITICIAN THAT HATES MUSLIMS WITHOUT ALSO WORSHIPPING JEWS :((((
>>520086492.Gonna be positive.PVV will win 1st Place.
>>520086690.So what's the government composition would look like in your perspective?
>>520086584.Look, if I don't trust Macron, I also don't trust this kind of leftwing liberal.
>>520086678.leftists are zionist-controlled.
>>520086690Political parties and the media twisting the narrative so they can get PVV's sloppy second votes. Democracy manifest
>>520086582Huh? I am calm. I guess my manner of speech includes mean words. But that's just me being me.>>520086584Leftist just means on the left. And liberal is on the left. Whatever reasons you have for trying to distance yourself from that label do not concern me. Or anyone else for that matter.Stop being obtuse.
>>520085086Typisch dat jullie gloeicuckz vandaag de draad proberen te kapen
>>520085838A flaming homosexual that rapes babies
>>520086139>supporting quicker integration for asylum seekershahahahahaahahaha
>>520087827>Leftist just means on the left.No. Liberals means free market economics. Leftism is generally opposed to free market economics.
Looks like a pivot back to neoliberalismits so over for europe. enjoy the 100,000 africans
80% of the parties are hard left gg
>all these demoralizing jew shillsRemember to vote today
>>520088580Holy shit! A Keynesian free market just flew over my house!
>>520088580Left-ist just means someone who is on the left, bro. I understand that on the left there are differences of opinion for different reasons. But that doesn't mean all of them aren't under the umbrella of leftist.Right winger is a nazi, a conservative, a monarchistic, and a fucking libertarian. That's how it works.
>>520090179>>520087827Who are you voting for in next year's Armenia election?
>>520090491I have never voted and i will never vote. I am a monarchist, i reject voting on principle.
>>520085086Geert really fucked up didn't he? iirc the government couldn't form for a year whilst PVV up over 30%, he should've just let the government implode into an early election instead of joining a toothless government that acheived nothing and dampened his popularity.It's very unlikely that PVV would be given a seat at the table again, they will just revert back to homelessness
>>520090703>he should've just let the government implode into an early electionthat's literally what he did retard.
could be the determining factor in a chip shortage instigated by slant eyes, again.
>>520090769after forming a coalition and electing a guy called "Dick Schoof". Admittedly, I'm not an expert on Dutch politics, hence the >iircI just poll analysis mostly and have kept tabs
>>520090703Who cares, he's a kike-lover.
>>520090928>after forming a coalition and electing a guy called "Dick Schoof".exactly
is there somewhere that i can watch this crap without supporting a gambling site, not a fan of polymarket
>>520092040exit polls are about 11 hours and 20 minutes from now, after the voting boots close. there'll be maps and that kind of thing likely to be linked here: https://nos.nl/liveblog/2588333-alle-stembureaus-open-in-de-ochtend-grootste-kans-op-droog-stemmenThen the results will drip in, probably the first results an hour after close. probably most results 2-3 hours after close
>>520092040>>520092513that said it's better to wait for the day after because the race is extremely close and every seat will matter a lot. Let me try to explain the situation a little bit.>left wing, sorted by least radical to most radicalChristenUnie, GL/PvdA, SP, DENK, PvdD>centrist, sorted by most left-preference to right-preferenceVolt, D66, NSC, CDA>right wing, sorted by least radical to most radicalVVD, SGP, JA21, PVV, FvDPVV are set to win the election, but they won't be able to form a coalition with anyone, so they're basically irrelevant. That is mostly their own doing because they ended the only coalition in which they could have done things they have been promising for 20 years. FvD you can exclude as well.This has basically created a very close race between a possible centrist-left coalition, and a centrist-right coalition.All the centrist parties can go either way, but if the runner up is CDA or more right wing, they will likely try to create a right wing coalition. If not, then a left wing coalition is very likely.76 seats are required for this. If neither coalition over left or right is possible with more than 76 (but likely 80+ seats because everyone is craving stability right now), then a 'purple' coalition is probably on the table, where it's both right and left wing parties forming a coalition together.Since 2010, we have only had centrist or right wing coalitions. And we haven't had a leftist prime minister since 2002, so a GL/PVDA runner-up (practically winner) would be a huge change here.
Remember to vote SGP today! 4 seats go brrrrrr>Be the Calvinist political party>The other ''christian'' parties are grifters>Catholics and Orthodox decide that voting for the Calvinist is the best option>Be Netherlands, 2025
>>520093454GL/PvDA is more radical than SPVVD is not right wing.
>>520085086Will the Fvd chuds achieve anything?
>>520093896lol no
>>520093454Thanks, this makes it easy to understand.
>>520090659ave imperator
>>520093554that is just like your opinion man. GL/PvdA is a social democrat party, basically your standard European leftist party like UK Labour or German SPD. SP is a democratic socialist party. PvdA has always had an internal left wing and centre-left wing, and the internal left wing has been strengthened with the GL merger but they're still not as leftist as the literal socialist party.VVD is your standard right wing economically and liberal conservative party like UK tories.if anything PVV is not really right wing. they are really just populist: all their economic policies are left wing socialist while all their cultural policies are right wing conservative. Their policies are a reflection of national polls and polls among its supporters: wilders tries to find out what his target audience wants and models his party on this. For example, he flipped from anti-EU to pro-EU as opinion flipped among the populace.
>>520094406Why is the Netherlands pro-EU now? Is nexit dead?
>>520094513This is why we should vote FvD
>>520094513we have a huge import/export. it does not make economic sense to be anti-EU. we are also a small country and while the dutch populance is skeptical about paying for southern EU states, increasingly there is an understanding that the EU strengthens our interests on the international stage with the rising geopolitical tensions going on, and that there some big national issues that are better solved collectively
>>520094513there's parties that are pro-nexit and parties that are very pro-EU.Only FVD and maybe JA21 is pro-nexit.PVV is the largest and dumbest right-wing party, and has played with the idea of a nexit, but in the end they're populists who failed to rule or implement, so they didn't even talk about it during elections. It's a miracle to me that people vote PVV.VVD, CDA, CU are all centrist retards that would never hamper trade. they love cheap labor.The rest are pretty much pro-nigger.
>>520093454I heard from my Jewish neighbor that's when those Israeli supporters got beaten in Amsterdam the cda organised a "secret" meeting with Jewish community leaders to discuss what they'd do to keep the jews safe. I never see any party do this for Whites when they're victimized by terrorists. So I don't believe for a moment they're actually centrists
>>520094406PvdA is literally communist
>>520095366kikes "are" white when it suits them.they aren't when it suits them.they are centrist when it suits them.they are right or leftwing when it suits them.they are, in character, an amourphous blob at best. more accurately a slimy mass, that refuses to be grasped.what kikes are is reliably unreliable and untrostworthy. dishonorable and treacherous. lecherous and subversive. usurial and conniving.gas.them.all.
yay wilders will win, congrats isra...oh i mean netherlands of course.Our taxes shouldn't be spent on migrants that's a waste of money, it should be funding israel's wars instead.All of our candidates must marry jews and visit israel too that's a good thing, that's how we get to these muzzies.Pic related will happen soon in the netherlands, congrats
>>520086584It is a hard left party. More gov spending, more eu spending, higher taxes for working. It does give more opportunities for consultancy orgs to grift and scam the gov (i.e taxpayer) out of money.
>>520088612Its over for west Europe since they follow US. US is an empire in decline that'll likely default on its debts within the next 10 years. Meanwhile it ignores and even sanctions upcoming powers. It slowly loses production chains and is outsourcing just like US. They're in for a rude awakening that following US is very stupid.
>>520085086they will just vote for some centrist cuck liberal party
>>520093454>This has basically created a very close race between a possible centrist-left coalition, and a centrist-right coalition.and the cneter right will never use the PVV to secure the majority if its close vs the center -left?
>>520093454Thanks Toothbasted bro
>>520096651Okay declare the Israel thing and then pray to Allah for jews to die! I don't really care Germany is US's castrated bitch. Anything said from German politicians is pure cope they'll allow Donnie to poop on Merz's head if it gets them favorability with US. Netherlands also is USA's bitch.Netherlands won't be anti Israel since a lot of gov monitoring, cyber security and surveillance projects are bought from Israel. Netherlands has an insane budget for digital spying tools to employ against its own population.
actually strong by Altmaier defending that break point.
>>520094513they probably saw how the UK handled Brexit and gave up
>>520098032.Hmmm...VVD really has no choice but side with PVV. Same goes for CDA.
>>520098032>>520098498Nope. We've just come out of a PVV-VVD-NSC-BBB coalition where the PVV blew it and forced these snap elections. I forgot to include BBB in the list, they are between VVD and SGP. BBB and NSC have been decimated because of the failure of the previous coalition to get anything done. VVD and every party in the center and left are vocal in excluding the PVV from forming a coalition because they are seen as unreliable and incompetent. They have a point: PVV is really a one-man show and he has shown that he is unable to work together with anyone. His party only has yes-men, the few competent people that they had recently left the party.Looking at the latest polls, it's not even a given PVV is winning the election anymore.
>>520098554>where the PVV blew it and forced these snap elections.But weren't they justified?The coalition didnt even allow Geert to be PM. It seemed an unreasonable treatment of the majority party the entire time.
>>520098554>Looking at the latest polls, it's not even a given PVV is winning the election anymore.nothings flat out gained from being the biggest party right?
>>520098850what is the point if all non meme parties have excluded him?
>>520086139Just say more niggers you filthy swarthoid welfare parasite
>>520096496I know all about the them, Im saying the Christian party isn't christian nor centrist.
>>520098633Maybe it is unreasonable, but at the same time the PVV was in a position of power and did not make use of it.The PVV was excluded from making coalitions with most parties because they also blew it back in 2012. In the previous election, the VVD changed leaders and Wilders changed his tone a lot (the election meme was that he was dubbed "Milders", as in more mild). His election victory, change of tone and VVD leadership change allowed him to form a coalition with the center and right wing parties in probably the most right wing coalition realistically possible.By blowing up this coalition, he knowingly has taken the step to never return to be in a position where he and his party are held responsible again. Obviously Geert Wilders knows what he is doing and that he would be excluded from forming the next coalition even if he won double the amount of seats as the next party. A consequence of this is that the few competent people in his party left it and he lost the narrative on themes like healthcare.>>520098850Traditionally you're first in line to form a coalition and deliver the prime minister when you win the elections. But theoretically any combination can be sworn in by the King, even a coalition with a minority of seats. You won't have the support to get anything done though.
Vertrouw op onze lieve Heer zijn goede genade.Luister naar je intuitie.Gister is morgen vandaag is Gister
>>520094406>>520094839NPC cucks who dont know shit and watch NOS and will lick a Jews hairy ballsack if it doesnt mean beign racist. He will give abdul a tuck too.
>>520099501Dude treats this like an Anime story as if the standard 98 IQ dutchy and 84 IQ moroccan think about any of this. Their news channel blares what they will do. And the imam and desertcuck book will decide what Hicham will vote.
>>520098554.PVV didn't blew it. Look at where the is NSC right now.
Fucking populists. There are retards everywhere.
>>520085213Why so many voting for kike lovers? FvD backtracked their kike worship and is against criminalizing soft drugs.
>>520093454whose advertisment budget increased in the last month? i am watching the company Nexperia, would prefer not to lose them to communist like so many others. chink counterfeit money has become a problem.
bump
>>520109323i voted for FREEK
>>520106391>thinking anyone here is going to do a serious vote>thinking the other flags aren't going to spam the political words they do understand to trollThe whole election's just theatre, we can all have fun here.
When definitive results?
>>520111355Tomorrow morning, maybe tonight.Polls close at 21:00Exit poll within 30 minutes, usually.Then cities and towns declare results 1 by 1.Typically a majority of the votes have been counted by 3am, and you can draw a reasonable conclusion.A seat swings here and there until the final count is completed. That can be 7am, 4am, 11am, it depends on who's fucking up.
poll results
>>520111355>>520111501November 6th actually for full double checked and official definitive results
>>520085086VOTE NL PLAN!
Onze kracht zit in ons allen !Houzee
>>520094513without Vlaanderen and Antwerp's port a nexit would just isolate us and let the EU bully us aroundNow if we control both Rotterdam and Antwerp we'd be to important/relevant for the EU to bully
>>520085086maak me maar wakker als we voor referenda mogen stemmen, deze poppenkast is te triest voor woorden
>>520114989we have our own YANG GANG over here? how did i miss that
>>520114989Lachen gast maar staat voor hele verkeerde dingen.
>>520115529You guys should unite with Flanders. Isn't the Prime Minister of Belgium a flemish nationalist now?
>>520094513We're not, and it's not dead.The people promoting the decentralised cause (FvD and some others) were royally distracted by covid and all the bullshit there.It stole 5 years from everyone. It'll keep stealing from people as long as they refuse to look at what they did during lockdown.The vaxx problems and the changes to legislation still distract, but the Israel and Ukraine conflicts did bring the NATO card to the table again, and with that the EU question as well.>>520115529I will acknowledge the Flemish as a cultural homogeny within the Dutch Republic, as long as they are within the Dutch Republic.I'll even respect poepen for what Antwerp insists it is, if I have to.
>>520115663kookles op school zou niet verkeerd zijnsowieso zijn scholen tegenwoordig meer veredelde kinderopvang dan school, je leert er helemaal niks behalve door een hoepeltje heen te springen>5 jaar lang gym, nog steeds niet fit>5 jaar lang frans, ken geen frans>5 jaar lang nederlands, maar mijn gramatica is nog steeds rukgelukkig wel alles met gemak gehaald
>>520115778>Prime Minister of BelgiumHe's the typical conservacuck.But yes I agree NL should unite with us.
>>520115778Blame the Spanish and French sissies for the meme country that is BelgiumRotterdam and Antwerp are by far the busiest ports in Europe, they wont allow it to fall under one flag
>>520116185Kookles is 1 van de weinige goede punten. Beter dan dag van democratie en Maatschappij leer.
>>520116185We kregen 2 jaar kook en muziek op de middelbare school, ze wisselden elkaar af.Met koken leerden we pizza maken, shoarma maken, pannekoeken maken, poffertjes maken, gesmolten spatel maken (oepsie), maar verder niet veel.Met muziek was het vooral "dus wat willen jullie doen", de helft wilde niks en de andere helft ging rock/blues spelen.De leraar kon wel alles leren, de lesmethode was gewoon hartstikke relaxed.In het derde, vierde en vijfde jaar kon ik elke week gewoon bij andere muzieklessen aanschuiven wanneer ik tijd had, ik verstoorde namelijk nooit de les en had vrij vaak vrije tijd.Zodoende speelde ik op het schoolconcert de halve avond en een keer later de hele godganse avond. Best lekker.Zesde jaar was helaas best shit, scholenfusie bracht een andere leraar, en de gebaseerde leraar ging weer weg. Mocht nooit meer meespelen omdat een ander wel 1 keer de boel versjteerde, daar was ik niet eens bij.De sfeer was ook helemaal weg.Het was al een mogolenschool maar in dat nieuwe gebouw hing echt een deprimerende walm. Vorig gebouw was een voormalig klooster met bapao in de kantine, nieuw gebouw is zo'n roestige jodenkubus met gangen.
https://youtu.be/V1tMvHZhTUE?
>>520117011ik heb zo'n 17 jaar geleden op de middelbare op kamp moeten koken in zo'n vakantiehuisje, maar meer ook nietweet nog dat iemand uit mijn klas een hamburger wilde koken in een pan met waterleer dan gewoon een gevarieerde en gezonde maaltijd te makenverder had ik een geschiedenisdocent die ontzettend goed was, en schijt had aan toetsen omdat je jaartallen ook wel op internet kon opzoeken. Schrijf maar een essay over het onderwerp waaruit blijkt dat je genoeg weet. Hij mocht alleen geen VWO les geven want zelf HBO opgeleid. Zit allemaal vol met mierenneukers, zeker met de nieuwe generatie drones die vooral opgeleid zijn in het exact uitvoeren van de regels en meer niet
>>520093454>'purple' coalitionpurple coalition would be a PvdA-GL, D66 & VVD excluding the CDA. That's not going to happen. D66, CDA are the kingmakers this election assuming if they don't win the election in full.>>520102234NSC was basically a CDA spin-off formed to govern in coalition with PVV, they disapeared because the appetite to govern with the PVV disapeared.
Any chance of FvD getting banned? They seem pretty extremist...
>>520118769What about Afd.
>>520118769no chance, they might pass through a new law stating that political parties need actual members, just because Wilders party doesn't have any members but Wilders. But changing that law will take so long its probably not worth it
>>520113479What happened to NSC? kek
>>520086404win what?
>>520120282Pieter Omtzigt left the CDA and took all the disappointed farmers and Christians with him.Then he collapsed in Parliament, slightly literally. He buckled and couldn't take the pressures anymore and left politics.NSC was the party he helped start. With him gone and all those party politics being literally the same as CDA, there's no reason for it to exist.
>>520120175It's still funny that despite being one of the smallest parties in parliament, FvD has by far the most members.
>>520120282NSC was never a real partyIt was always just CDA with a different name. Now they're just going back to their original party
>>520120467>With him gone and all those party politics being literally the same as CDAniet helemaal waar, maar zonder omtzigt was er geen visie meervan vroonhoven is een cda (centrale drollen alliantie) drollie eerste klas, en verder zat de partij vol met opportunisten zoals die flikker die is overgelopen naar ja21dan blijft er dus niks van die visie over
/pol/der jew chiming in TMD TPD MARKUSZOWER IS GONNA GIMME A SEPHARDIC GF!!!!
>>520120517>despite being one of the smallest parties in parliament, FvD has by far the most membersdit is al weerlegd, volkomen onzin
>>520121903What's the source of the refutation?
2 more hours until polls close and the massive surprise drop that PvdD will be the largest party and Esther Ouwehand will hold a celebration speech surrounded by Edelhert
>>520122176https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/forum-voor-democratie-in-subsidieproblemen-bewijs-ledental-ontbreekt-waar-zijn-de-bonnetjes~baa462427/https://www.ftm.nl/artikelen/laks-boekhouden-boete-dreigt-forum-voor-democratiehttps://chrisaalberts.nl/2024/12/17/longread-niemand-weet-hoeveel-leden-fvd-precies-heeft-en-je-kunt-het-al-helemaal-niet-controleren/
>>520121253Is ie dan eindelijk daar! Hoe was de Mossad briefing?
>>520122559How much crack u smocking nigger?
>>520122789Nie veel, heb de hele dag gewerkt. Zit niet echt meer op Instagram ofzo dus weet niet of Markuszower Hila voor mij apart houd :3
>>520122650>volkskrant>chris aalbertsJe zit verkeerd jongen, dit is geen reddit.
>>520120467Hijum is the worst fucking retard that ever has had a ministerial post. His DBA law made it so that nobody really wants to hire contractors (ZZP) in fear of ''fake ZZP'' where the contractor should be in full time employment at the company rather than being external ZZP. All this did is cause consultancies to explode and people working for money losing out. Thanks to this Christian retard the only ones recruiting for IT roles in Netherlands are consultancies since all companies reject ZZP but turn to these giga consultancies that provide terrible quality. I take joy in watching former minister Hijum walk around and getting laughed at by all his former voters. The guy deserves the humiliation, what a pathetic failure. WORST minister we have EVER had.
>>520122650>"There's no evidence available for us" - leftist paper>"Their accounting may be shady" - globohomo controlled outlet>"Nobody knows because the info is private" - Volt activistThose are not refutations.They're shallow claims, one of them vapid and irrelevant.
>>520122890of voor zichzelf :0
>>520123027>te kwader trouw redenerenals je de bron bij voorbaat al hebt afgewezen hoef je er ook niet om te vragenje hoeft ook niet de schijn te wekken dat je redelijk bent, daar prik ik toch wel doorheenreageer dan gewoon maar als pvvee, noem me een lul en ga over tot de orde van de dag
>>520088311Checks out. You sound like a butt hurt baby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXk8iMOFw_ELeft Laser Live starting in 5 minutes guys
We gaan Jette als fucking premier krijgen. Het lichtgewicht dat ze expres hadden gekozen omdat de D66 top na Pechtold geen sterke leider wilden. Wat een afgang.
Mijn vader, zusje, broertje en ik zijn allochtonen. Mijn moeder is autochtoon.Maar we hebben allemaal voor FvD gestemd.Want Lidewij, Gideon, Ralf en Pepijn zijn de enigen die opkomen voor het vrije woord en voor Nederland en zich verzetten tegen autoritair globalisme.
>>520116185Het is 4-6 jaar lang drillen. Ik heb het vwo alweer 10 jaar geleden afgerond maar het was niet veel beter. Het is een stress test waarin je van toets naar toets gaat en het enige wat boeit is een zesje halen voor die toetsen. Het is eerder een hele lange IQ / memorisatie test dan dat je er iets nuttigs leert. Het enige echt nuttige is de wiskunde die je krijgt. Schrijfvaardigheid is een beetje een outdated skill om te hebben. Gooi je teksten allemaal lekker door ChatGPT en pas het hier en daar aan om het minder als AI te laten lijken. >>520117011Mijn middelbare was zo grauw het kon doorgaan voor een penitentiare inrichting als je de ramen eruit gooide voor betonnen muren. VWO is een van de slechtste tijden uit mijn leven geweest imo. Laatste examen jaar kwam ik door met mezelf heel vaak ziek melden, niet komen opdagen en puur de focus hebben op toetsen. Tis gewoon super stressvol en ik weet niet waarom want op de uni heb je ook niet elke week een toets en met een VWO papiertje kan je alsnog vrij weinig. Zelfs met de meeste uni diplomas kan je tegenwoordig niets.
>>520123192NEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>520123549robot jetten is een perfecte marionet om een gefederaliseerd eu/navo-regime in te voerenlekker met amalia "trainen" als je weet wat ik bedoel
>>520123385The quotes are summaries of what the journalists wrote in those articles.That they're these particularly biased journalists is just gravy for the steak.Maybe if you stop projecting you'll be able to enjoy its flavour too.
>>520123767Het meest nuttige op de middelbare school is biologie.Jezelf gronden in de realiteit van de natuur en de biologie is zo'n beetje het enige wat nog wat weerstand biedt tegen de achterlijke ideologieën die de universiteiten tegenwoordig domineren.
>>520093454>PVV are set to win the election, but they won't be able to form a coalition with anyone, so they're basically irrelevant.Dus omdat andere partijen zeggen dat ze geen coalitie willen vormen met de PVV moet je niet op de PVV stemmen? Dat is anti-democratisch.
>>520123957precies, je had je conclusie allang getrokkengewoon niet schijnheilig doen, noem me maar een lulhannes ik kan je toch al niet serieus nemen ;^)
>>520125169waarom is dat anti-democratisch?
>>520124092De atheistische beweging geleid door evolutiebioloog Richard Dawkins was de basis van de nieuwe atheistische beweging die geleid heeft tot wakker linkse ideologie. Een verklaring voor deze ontwikkeling is dat een darwinistisch wereldbeeld kan leiden tot een marxistisch en relativistisch wereldbeeld.
>>520125575In een democratie wordt politiek aangestuurd door de stem van het volk en in een anti-democratie wordt de stem van het volk aangestuurd door politiek.
>>520125647
>>520125923Je laat buiten beschouwing dat Richard Dawkins na jarenlang ageren tegen de waanzin van religie tot inkeer is gekomen dat religie een andere vorm van waanzin binnen de perken houdt.
>>520125383Goed zo, en nu met jouw monitor aan
>>520126347Ze zijn echt even lelijk als ze achterlijk zijn. God ik haat moslims.
>>520125810dat is een breed argument tegen strategisch stemmen
>>520126465No, just an argument against strategic voting, not a wide argument.The whole idea of strategic voting is that the voting population has another game to play in their mind.It's nothing short of gambling.
>>520126341Peterson is ongelooflijk goed en Dawkins kan maar lastig verder denken.Maar Dawkins heeft nog wel enig besef van biologische realiteit.Bret Weinstein is een veel betere (evolutie) bioloog.
>>520126608strategisch stemmen is een schadebeperkingsstrategiekiezers stemmen niet op de partij die het best bij hun overtuigingen past, maar op de partij die de meeste kans heeft om een ongewenste uitkomst te voorkomen
Turnout bros, how are we feeling?
>>520126465>strategisch stemmenMet andere woorden: stemmen op een partij met een verkiezingsprogramma dat grotendeels niet jouw voorkeur heeft omdat de betreffende partij de verwachting wekt dat deze partij meer kans maakt om het voor jou meest belangrijke programmapunt uit te voeren dan de partij met het verkiezingsprogramma dat grotendeels wel jouw voorkeur heeft.
>>520127579Dat is ook een mooie manier om strategisch stemmen te verwoorden maar stemmen op een andere partij dan je zou willen is past niet bij de geest van een democratie.
>>520127807wie zegt er zo veel verschil tussen moet zitten?
results when?
>>52012828421:00 CET
>>520115778Flemish have ptsd about having to share power with wallonians and brulssels. They don't realize they'd be a powerful block within the NL rivalling Holland and that mostly smaller dutch provinces would lose out more influence than them.
>>520127586Looks good for SGP
>>520128200Momenteel is strategisch stemmen aan de rechterkant bijvoorbeeld van toepassing op het verschil tussen FVD en PVV. Beide partijen hebben een vergelijkbare zienswijze op bijvoorbeeld immigratiebeleid en klimaatbeleid , maar FVD wil veel verder gaan dan PVV om deze zienswijze te realiseren, terwijl PVV waarschijnlijk veel meer zetels zal krijgen.Aan de linkerkant zie ik weinig verschil inderdaad. CDA, D66, GL-PVDA, CU, PvdD zijn allemaal globalisten en deugers.
>>520128151waarom niet? uiteindelijk kom je nog steeds op voor je belangen het is gewoon een uitwerking van een representatieve democratiealleen binnen een directe democratie heb je directe invloed
>stemmenkek
>>520128951Zowel FvD als PVV gaan echter nooit aan de macht komen en als ze het wel zouden komen zouden ze niets uit kunnen voerenelke stem is een weggegooide stem
>>520129161In een representatieve democratie is het onzeker wie wat waar wanneer hoe in jouw belang is.
>>520128284Exit poll 21:00 CETHard results come in piecemeal per countyMajority tally sometime around 2-4am, final results around dawn with certification completing a week from now.
>>520129306
>>520129369pvv was de grootste partij binnen de coalitie en de enige de reden dat we nu weer verkiezingen hebbenze kunnen/willen gewoon niet regeren omdat er geen inhoud aan ispvv is puur populisme en niks meer
>ze denken dat deze problemen democratisch kunnen worden opgelostshiggy my niggy
>>520129495nee hoor zolang je maar niet op liegebeestjes stemthelaas is het electoraat daar gevoelig voorkun jij ze herkennen? wie zijn de twee grootste liegebeestjes van deze verkiezingscampagne
>>520129867Politici zijn als journalisten - er zijn geen goede.
>>520128284big cities count with machines but have to be verified by handcounters have the weekend off so expect the final results in about a week, probably tuesday
>>520129867Iedereen liegt.
>>520129867zolang men geld kan verdienen aan regeren en besturen zal men blijven liegen>welke twee liegen het meestWilders en Timmermans, maar het kunnen ze allemaal wel zijn.
>>520130063en wie liegen het hardst?
>>520129306Ehm, gebaseerd?
>>520130176Alle partijen die ooit deelgenomen hebben aan een coalitie doen alsof ze zelfveroorzaakte problemen gaan oplossen.
>>520129369>niets uit kunnen voerendit vind ik dan wel zo'n bagger he. Had de FvD niet mega veel zetels? Wat hebben ze daar mee gedaan dan? De PVV kon beleid voeren op immigratie, hun grootste campagne onderwerp, en verkankerden het. Voor hoe lang gaan mensen zoals jij dan nog schofferen dat ze exclusief worden tegen gewerkt?zoals ik hier boven heb gezegd je gaat dit niet democratisch oplossen want de problemen zijn ook niet democratisch veroorzaakt. we hadden het bindend referendum maar dat hebben ze ook systematisch met wortel en al eruit getrokken omdat wij als burger stout zijn geweest door massaal het verkeerde antwoord in te sturen.
>>520129306Waar zou je de SP plaatsen?
>>520130489Onder van dijk? Onions. Onder Roemer? Kanker gebaseerd a nigga
>>520130568de correcte betiteling is jimmy schimmel
>>520130568>Hij is te jong voor Jan Marijnissen. *Aai over de bol.*
Nexperia???
>>520130755nexperia what?
>>520130856homo
>>520130398Hmmm, rechts heeft zijn rechtse standpunten er niet door gekregen. Dan maar links stemmen, die krijgen vast wel een rechts beleid doorgedrukt want die kunnen nogal samenwerken!
>>520131428ik zeg dat deze problemen niet democratisch op te lossen vallen en jij haalt daar uit dat ik te dom ben om te snappen dat links stemmen ook niet werkt? kut belg.
>>520130568>muwuguzungugugkchugukanker op jood
>>520131428anti-migratie is geen links of rechts standpunt
>>520131552hey aivd mongooltje het is zowat de enige beleidsverschil waar links en rechts constant over struikelen. er wordt al jaren geen drol gedaan hierdoor omdat links en rechts elke keer weer populistisch te werk gaan en elkaar de schuld geven van problemen veroorzaakt door bureaucraten en lobbyisten waar je niet eens op stemmen kan
its over netherlands
>>520131141
ik had niet veel gekke dingen verwacht maar dat de D66, Groenlinks - PVdA en CDA bovenaan zouden staan had ik niet verwacht. Die zetten PVV buiten spel en kunnen dus links regeren.
>D66Het is zo compleet over dat het niet grappig is hoe over het is.
>>520131939>D66 27 zetelsNederland is verloren, het globalisme heeft gewonnen.
>>520131939>VVD alsnog 23 zetelshoe dan
>>520131939>geert bros
>>520131939cope: well the pvv, ja21 and fvd seat count combined is 1 higher than it was last election!
was it a smart play by wilders to again make the government collapse and be driven into irrelevancy?100% sure he could've done divide and conquare politics in government
so what's happening, are the good goyim in charge? or the extra good goyim?
>>520132063he was never going to solve the immigration issue
This is a referendum against the right. People are TIRED of this evil government and Dutch women are running low on their bbc supply.
>>520131939Toevallig genoeg niet de eerste keer dat we een homofiel als minister-president hebben.
>>520131939> PVV + FVD + JA21 together got even less than last elections> Chuds utterly btfoBwahajahahahjahahahah
>>5201320551 lower actually
>>520131939nice, volt lost a seat.advocating for a federal europe is treason
>>520130856what is that companies fate, a second chink instigated chip shortage just before the holiday season would be annoying and clear provocation.>fool once fool twiceUS is busy planning a party for the olympics soooo
>>520132028Misschien had de PVV eens werk kunnen leveren ipv janken en joodse lullen zuigen.2 keer een kabinet laten klappen, Geert is een incapabele kankermongool.
>>520132156>De wet van de straathond
>>520132187You lost, chuddie
>>520132253FUCK you're right. it really is over.
>>520132304Mee eens, ik heb nooit op Geert of de PVV gestemd, omdat het een Israëlische act is.
>>520132312Your sister getting plapped by Abdul next door while you’re bitching here
>>520132129he could've had small steps towards right direction instead of just collapsing the government and making the dead parties recover
>>520132292d66 is volt
>>520131978Het toont aan dat zuiver negatieve politiek geen toekomst heeftPVV>geen moslimsBBB>geen stikstofpolitiekNSC>geen CDAEtc. maar geen enkele visie, geen alternatief voor het neoliberale eurocratische model van de andere partijen. En rechtse stemmers zijn vooralsnog te laf om FvD te stemmen dus het gaat weer achteruit met de populistische golf.
>>520132441His masters wouldn't have allowed it.
Netherlands rejected far-right populism and instead chose love <3
>>520132518probleem is dan ook dat links niet echt met oplossingen komt voor de problemen waar rechts mee zit. Wilders is een schreeuwerd en de FvD heeft compleet geen raakslag bij menig rechtse stemmer. Als bijvoorbeeld Groenlinks of CDA zou beloven de immigratie te stoppen was het klaar geweest. Maar goed het zal mij benieuwen
Dutchbros, how do the Centre/Centre Right even react when Geert is shitting all over Islam? Our current Labour party is desperately trying to win the anti-immigration vote but he's still super pro-Islam. I can't imagine anyone in UK politics speaking about Islam the way Geert does.
>>520131939>Nederlander kiest voor de WEF CFR drol die energie centrales heeft gesloten..
>>520085086>D66 leading in exitpollWere doomedMore fucking mass immigrationMore being unable to buy a fucking houseBedankt linkse kankermongolen, ik zal nooit op mezelf kunnen gaan wonen door de eindeloze stroom kankermoslims
>>520132655the right just says close the borders and that's it, they never talk about where immigration hurts the most; the wallet. all this while the left promises affordable housing and groceries plus affordable healthcare
D66 + VVD + CDA + JA21=27 + 23 + 19 + 9 = 78le centrum rechts kabinet
>>520131939>PvdA loses 5 seats.A win is a win
Congratulations to the new Prime Minister of the Netherlands
>>520132746alsof het ene kanker had uit gemaakt. zelfs al had PVV letterlijk alle stemmen gehad deden ze nog geen enkele haakneus en handjewrijf aan immigratie
>>520132746jij denkt dat je geen huis kunt kopen door asielzoekers? ben je van de pot gerukt?
>>520132746bought a house recently, dankjewel Jan!t. big tech immifagbad: azc will open nearby soon
>>520131939grimFvD wel erop vooruit gegaan exact volgens de meest gunstige peilingen.
>>520085086>Who is Rob Jetten?A literal faggot. A lying snake. Disgusting, dishonest and manipulative. In other words, the perfect political candidate to swoon the idiot masses.
>>520085086Is 50+ a party for old people 50 years and above who want to increase taxes to pay for their pension?
>>520132746> Bedankt linkse kankermongolen, ik zal nooit op mezelf kunnen gaan wonen door de eindeloze stroom kankermoslimsNe, bedankt Geert. Te bezig met Joodse lullen te zuigen en controlled oppositie te zijn. Irreparable schade gedan aan rechts.
>>520132732>>520132850Grimmig.
>>5201328691/3 van sociale huizen in Utrecht toegewezen aan status houders, een lopende trend. dan nog lost het meerdere problemen op om ze allemaal eruit te gooien
>>520132804lameWhat is the D66's position on immigration? Why did they do so well?
>>520132518>NSC>>geen PVV BBB
>a literal faggot as prime ministerwe are a joke of a country
>>520132869Ja, in.mijn gemeente krijgen alle kankerstatushouders voorrangNederlanders mogen lekker 20 jaar gaan wachtenLekker je hele leven bij je ouders wonen doordat kankermoslims alle huizen inpikkenMaar we houden de poorten lekker open en gaan ook geen huizen bouwen want muh stikstof
>>520133108>positioni believe they do want some way of reform when it comes to immigration. they don't want unchecked knife wielders. but they don't agree with closing the border completely.they did well because idk really. i think they did well because the pvv fucked up last time and trust in politics is at an all time low
>>520133138kalm aan dat hoeft helemaal niet zo te zijn. (het wordt timmermans)
>>520132860Precies>>520132850I can't tell you who the woman is in that relation
>>520132850If he becomes MP i will off myself
>>520132746seethe white boy
>>520131978>Die zetten PVV buiten spel en kunnen dus links regeren.Daar komen ze nog een paar zeteltjes voor tekort...tenzij SP Volt Partij voor de dieren en Christenunie in dat kabinet gaan zitten maar dat lijkt me moeilijk. SP met CDA? Dat is wel heel vergezocht
denken jullie kats mongolen nou werkelijk dat (((ze))) het zouden toe staan dat je je zin kreeg? Als stemmen zo veel verschil had gemaakt dan mocht het niet of was het niet gratis.
>>520131939It’s just an exit poll, it’ll be Alright when Geert and Lidewij get their final results.
>>520133251>(het wordt timmermans)Een nog grotere flikker
>>520133210sounds like empty non-commital pledges to placate the electorate whilst actually doing fuck all
>>520133309>tenzijje weet zelf ook wel dat dat gaat gebeuren. Christenunie zal wel wat concessies willen betreft de onderwijs en dan ben je er al.
>>520132642de status quo is al decennia rechts dus ze hebben geen echte rechtse agendapunten meer over (vrijhandel, privatisering, etc)daarom blijven ze doorhameren op de migratieretoriek, het zijn mensen die helemaal geen echte problemen kennen
>>520133343my guy they've been doing "fuck all" ever since the end of WW2.
>>520133108D66 stands for immigration laws that is respectful of human dignity and universal human rights.
>>520133371dat is hem dus ook. hoe kun je van mensen zoals Wilders, Baudet etc verwachten dat ze weten hoe het is om het kleine kereltje te zijn als ze niet eens uberhaupt ooit een trein of bus hoeven te nemen?
>>520133331>Awel mijn Führer...
>>520133194we gaan je moeder neuken bl*nco
>>520133455https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osxwpqmabbo
>>520133472
I'm struggling to put together any kind of coalition with the exit poll results. I'm assuming the actual results to vary a little and PVV still being the biggest party.
>>520133983D66 + VVD + CDA + JA21/GroenLinks-PvdAas the name suggests, ja21 is a party of yeasayersthey will bow to anyone and everyone and will agree on anything
>>520132850faggots are easily manipulated by targeted marketing, likely past of child molestation both the victim and later in life instigator, sucks netherlands; y'all were engineers designing and building ideas for the future, now you're represented by sodomites. the child molestation is a slant eye thing so i doubt netherlands will maintain control of their chip making capabilities. how i see things progressing is china ships it out and starves twaina of their supply chain. hurtling the globe back from 3nm, inb4 3nm is marketing did not happen.then communist control the kill chain for most if not all major weapon platforms. i do not see many if any break points to stop China's global influence. It started in the UN human Rights council and now it has spread i do believe this is a definitive moment signaling the devaluation of human life. sodmoites in position of power a group that famously holds no value of the next generation has no efforts towards creating life only preverting it for their sick pleasure.BUMMER.
>>520133418>D66 stands for immigration laws that is respectful of human dignity and universal human rights.So mass migration?
>>520133983Left minority government with D66+GL/PvdA+CDA is the only option unless the VVD cucks and gives them the majority.
Enjoy your socialist government
>>520134658the largest party in the exit poll is a right wing neoliberal party
>>520134658enjoy the country you once had
>>520134658What we'll be getting is left-liberslop with faggot characteristics.
>>520134286CDA+VVD seem like the only package deal. If D66 want government, they will need GL/PvdA but if they take them you would assume that VVD would abandon. JA21 would want concessions from a D66 led government that they wouldn't abide by.>>520134580The left are still toothless with the majority fractured but notionally right/anti-immigration.
>>520134780>>520134789>>520134824You lost, tranny
>Elke boze reactie die ik online zie over deze uitslag is van een laaggeletterde pisvlek:^)
>>520134920d66 is right wing theyre basically vvd but a bit more progressive and "gay"the only reason why ja21 is even considered (theyre otherwise laughing stock) is because entering new coalition is suicide for GroenLinks-PvdA
>>520131939>they actually think you can vote your way out of thisIt's hilarious every time.
>>520135257>d66 is right wing theyre basically vvd but a bit more progressive and "gaylol
>>520106391Seethe yid no jews on top
De echte draad is verwijderd.
GLOBOHOMO MODEAAN
>>520085838Kek kys
>>520135336yup, every time it is not a sure thing every time you have to watch carefully every time you have that pent up tension as it comes down to the wire and the inevitable release be it laughing or crying.voting works.
worth mentioning that every member of the government coalition went backwards
>>520135692>hij denkt dat vvd een ruggengraat heeft
>>520135692>d66 ruling together with anti gay bontebal
weer geen kok chan.. niet op hem gestemd maar had het wel leuk gevonden, kok chan bij de debatten daar in den haag
>>520135436Please tell us everything you know about D66Exactly: nothing
>>520135812kok chan is toch een agent van china zoals wilders een agent van israel is
Looks like the dutch want even more brown doctors and engineers.
>>520135758CDA en VVD gaan liever met GL.>>520135778CDA gaat vrijheid van onderwijs weggeven en dan kan het echte indoctrineren van de laatste generatie Nederlanders beginnen.
>>520135825>they are right-wing>oh but they are also progressive, liberal, and gayPlease tell me how your brain works.
>>520131939pvv vvd cda ja21 fvd bbb 86 seats
>>520135753Current progressive government was a failure so of course the usual suspects vote for more progressives with a different name tag.
>>520135896ja21 is ook anti artikel 23
>>520085086Called it votersfraude, D66 is a globohomo WEF leftist dicksucking party who can't win honestly, They are ultra gay. Most of our Judges are members of this party as are many of the television industry. there was votersfraude and everyone knows it
>>520136004waanideeen
>>520135940They're economically right wing and socially progressive. What is difficult to understand?
>>520135825Ik heb een uur met een expert van d66 aan de telefoon gehangen. Hij werkte voor het knmi. Hij had geen idee waar d66 voor staat. Ik heb met hem een discussie gehad over stikstof. Hij wilde bijna ophangen, maar ik speelde in op zijn open mindedheid. Ik heb hem toen het empirische bewijs voor de stikstof problematiek laten opzoeken en de stilte toen hij niks kon vinden was echt goud waard. Waarom stemmen mensen op deze kanker debielen?
Don’t care, just know that D66 might not be able to pull this one off since they could only get PvDA and maybe a cucked VVD (highly Licklely) in and they STILL wouldn’t be able to pass any laws because of the senate. This would also result in Yesilgoz getting ACKED since the VVD inherently hates PvDA.. btw they lost 5 seats after years and YEARS of campaigning and trying to be the main opposition force.I also called a Keffiyah wearing cunt of the GreenLeft a “NSB’er” (a collaborationist Nazi) and he was clearly shocked by it. Could be worse… I’m going to go now need to work really early in the morning and need to dream about Sephardic gf’s.Goodnight frens!
chip shortage this christmas or no chip shortage? I know witch one i want.
>>520135863zo gaan de geruchten.. vond dat hij bij interviews ook niet echt op die kritiek in ging.
godverdomme...dit doet me denken aan dat ene interview waar pechtold iets zegt zoals "ik ben een witte blanke man, en zij is dat allemaal niet, ik zou zeggen, een belofte voor de toekomst"ik zoek de quote maar ben de context kwijt
>>520085838Lol KEK D66 AIVD shill, Just a reminder our secret service is full of people who vote D66 and will cover up the votersfraud. >>520085086Don't engage just ignore
>>Timmermans stopt als partijleider GroenLinks-PvdAlmao
>NSC
dit wordt ons kabinet... het is voorbij
>>520085892Means he's a fucking homosexual and his politics are a reflection of his bedpartners.Look let me tell you about Dutch politics, its a fucking blackpill and the primary reason i left that kike infested shithole with pathological holier then thou altruists. Every single politician is either a fucking moron ultralibshit who thinks we havent gone left enough, or a fucking jew who worships money or israel through controlled proxy nationalism, like geert homokanker wilders, the fake indo jew israel first nationalist, who did fucking nothing but waste the time of every conservative for 7 years straight. There is only 1 decently conservative, netherlands first nationalist. And that is thierry baudet, who is also part indonesian ironically, just not a fucking kike.He, by virtue of being the only sane netherlands first conservative politician WITHOUT an israel obsession was silenced and replaced by a woman. Not a bad woman, but this tells you EXACTLY what a retard country the netherlands is. They should be stringing up every single fucking jew in that worthless dogshit country but its so judaified you might as well consider it israel with imprisoned goyim, permanently stuck due to it's retarded fellow countrymen.High educational level, extremely low intelligence, the netherlands.Homosexueel kankerland
>>520136255>OMTZIGT DOOD WAT NOU?
>>520085892That they don't have principles to speak of. Pragmatist centrists that don't even pretend to have ideals anymore.. And since the biggest liberal (as in the right wing EU kind) party ruled out a coalition with the Labour/Green fusion party D66's win makes a centre right coalition (with the Christians & a smaller right wing party) a decent possibility. >>520086495But D66 isn't leftist. More centrist. Leftist parties all lost.Update; The peak leftist EU bureaucrat Timmermans just resigned as leader of Labour/Green after this loss.
>>520093896Wished Geert Wilders would win not this palestine Homo there is votersfraud Jews bro and this fag is gonna protect they gay muslims
>>520136323RIP koning ziektewet
check de megathread op r/thenetherlands, reddit mongooltjes zijn ziedend over hoe blank en grijs 50+ is. extreem zeldzame W voor mijn boomerniggas
Can you handle 4 years of D66+VVD+GL-PvdA+CDA?
>timmerfrans wegStel je eens voor dat je je lucratieve EU baantje opgeeft "om het land te redden" en je gewoon keihard nat gaat.
>>520136406D66 hit squad at my door RIGHT NOW to recruit me to the city building slaver camps
>>520135203Je moeder is een pisvlek
Timmermans had dat maanden geleden moeten doen. GL-PvdA heeft minder stemmen gekregen puur omdat hij de lijsttrekker was.
Which is more globo D66 or Volt?
so close
are Nexperia chip fabs moving by train or by water?
>>520087827>liberal is on the left.Not in NL.. Liberaal traditionally means small government, individual freedom and free market oriented. D66 is more social democrat leaning than VVD, which is the main liberal party here.
>>520085086Timmermans just attempted to an hero! PVDA/GL IS IN SHAMBLES
>>520136071cope
>>520136627Why are you telling him lies homo, it's left. What centrist babble are you preaching, even vvd is left, kill yourself eurocrat.
>>520136568VOLT. They're part of a network of parties in every EU nation that wants federalization. D66 is just a traditional old party that loves EU.
>>520136647No, he quit so PVDA could coalition with D66
GREENLEFT/PVDA NIGGERS APOLOGIZE TO HIM RIGHT NOW!!
>>520136816How if I called it before hand is it C O P E, T R A N N Y
>>520136131denk wel dat als china er echt achter zou zitten dat ze meer teweeg zouden brengen dan wat kok chan (niet) bereiktkijk maar naar de pvv, de lange arm van israel haalt nog steeds makkelijk 25 zetelszal eerder zijn dat china/ccp druk uitoefent op hem (zoals bij alle chinezen in het buitenland)
>>52013274Zoek een baan en een werkende vrouw net als iedereen nikker..
Are ya winnin', son?
>>520136568They are both israel worshipping globos
>>520136819I think you're mistaking me for someone who actually cares deeply m8.. I don't expect anything from these people, and I have few illusions about the potential for more serious rightwing parties in this country.. Out of all the progressives and self-hating parties we have D66 is by far the mildest, hence their succes.
APOLOGIZE TO COHEN AND OUDERK RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!
>>520136928time to get you to bed gramps
>>520137421Yeah I get it, everyone is demoralized. Everyone is either a Jew or a Jew chosen puppet.This is the reality of a representative democracy, it's ruled through money and lobby, which neither of us have. Prepare yourself for another election cycle full with paranormal jewtivities.It's completely over with the morons we call nederlanders.
this is our next kabinet... it is GloboHomoMaximus
>>520137718>GloboHomoMaximus>3 anti-establishment partijenwaanideeën
>>52013632110/10 take.
>>520136622They are in hamburg and some other unholy place I forgot, not in the NL.
>>520137925Denk+PvDD+Volt zijn een extensie van GLPVDA
