VAG is going broke. Bullshit eu green regulations. Expensive energy for factories.Whats the deal?politically
>>520272370we only have one Earth, retard. let's try not to destroy this planet with pollution
im gonna destroy op's internal cumbutton engine
>>520272370
>>520272455is OP a girl?
>>520272370Because it's stupid and inefficient. My Tesla literally never needs to go into the shop. Imagine burning carbon when you can get around with magnetsI pay nothing in gas.I have no oil changes, spark plugs o2 censors.I get about 3 cents a mile in the equivlant in gas costI can outrun ANY an I mean ANY fucking gas vehicle. I can literally go from 0-75 in 3 seconds
>>520272370>what's the dealgermany and their suicidal guilt. no gas, no nuke, no benzine. only green and infinite brown people to feed with it.
>>520272432Not even that. EVs are such a different experience. The two things aren't comparable. I don't get the mindset of sticking to gas. Sure I guess they are cheaper but if you can afford an EV than get one. It's just better in every category and puts jeet gas stations out of business. Definitely the white man's vehicle
>>520272636UK has higher EV adoption than Germany. So lower your tone when throwing around blame.
>>520272803how many nuclear reactors do you gays have again?
>>520272571This has to be bait, right?Ill just follow you in my 1.6 shitbox untill your battery runs out and you die from starvation and firmware updates. You WONT be offered a ride.
>>52027237015 minute cities. Total control, less available energy means less population growth. Depopulation by design.
>>520272871How's your nuclear power coming along? Teach us your ways.
Just buy a BMW bro
>>520272990It's not bait, this board is 90% reddit crossposting liberals.
>>520273048none? ok. so all your electric vehicles are powered by? coal? that's not very green.
>>520272370Ride the bus slave.....Yes we know the infrastructure will not support everyone having their own transportation, that's the point..
>>520272432then you should nut up and stop buying shit from china, if you care about the planet so much, faggot.
>>520272432I won't be here, so why should I care.Besides, turd world trash doesn't care so why should I care.
>>520272370Most people should not have private cars. Hitler and Henry Ford were wrong about mass car ownership. European cities are not designed to have cars everywhere. Most streets are not wide enough really.
>>520272990Uh huh. Sure you will. Literally only happens to owners who laughably don't know their car and don't know how to access their dashboard controls.Enjoy the lifetime of oil changes, sparkplugs,gaskets, fuel pumps, filters, etc etc gas lines...etc you retard.Roadside pickups are free with all teslas anyway. I've had one since 2015 and never once needed the service. Only time my Tesla broke down was because the key got fucked by a magnet but I had the soare
>>520273096I'm not a liberal. Owning an EV is a very white Republican thing.
>>520273259Yes, only superior people like you should have one.Captcha: NOT DH
>>520273131Fossil fuels make up a larger portion of total energy consumption in Britain than in Germany - despite using nuclear power.I already told you to lower your tone.
>>520272432Bill gates said you're retarded.
>>520272571Let’s just say it can outrun the majority of production vehicles. There are bigger fish out there. My suburban has 1200hp and will causally walk away from a plaid Tesla.
>>520272370>>520272370Dutch part time mechanic bro I always appreciate your posts. Fixing cars is a piece of piss if you have just a little bit of common sense and a Haynes manual. Rebuilt a MK1 MX5 block from scratch a few years ago, with the ex-intake camshaft mod, such easy cars to work onJust bought a 21 Transit Connect and even doing an oil change is a fucking nightmare, they're trying and failing to make things greener which is ultimately destroying perfectly functioning engines, to any of you with a modern ish diesel, disable your automatic start/stop before your block gets bricked
>>520273417Much more blue honestly. Republicans drive one of the big 3 pickups more often.
>>520273648None of our diesels have stop start
>>520273491fossil fuels which we produce ourselves sure, but you retards are buying hydrocarbons from literally anyone, including russia, who will sell them to you. it's actually impressive how hypocritically smug one nation can be.
>>520272370They're making everything harder to repair. Kikes make way more money selling you a new product instead of repairing the old one. Thats all it is. Oh and stuff that needs energy efficiency is even more easy to make unrepairable. In order to increase efficiency, thinner metals need to be used. Thinner metals mean their structure gets compromised easier making a full replacement far more economical then having to change out the entire rusted frame. My old k1500 was still kicking despite all the rust underneath it because the frame was made out of thick american steel. Now its the thinest Chinese garbage to try and get the mpg up to meet environmental standards.
they are preparing the ground for agenda 2030'you will own nothing and be happy' wasn't a memepeople having their own car gives them autonomy and freedom and that is exactly what they are trying to removeelectric cars tied with a social credit score which won't run unless you comply to their draconian laws
>>520273648>automatic start/stopis that the shit that turns the engine off every time you stop for a light etc? fucking hate that.
>>520272432>we only have one Earth, retard. let's try not to destroy this planet with pollutionI love when libtards say things like this but at the same time cheer when forest are cut down to put up cuckwheels and act as if they never heard of india
>>520273648Being more green for some reason just translates to using more plastic parts. That why modern cars suck is because major critical components are made from plastic. Plastic timing guides, plastic water pumps, plastic OIL PANS!?
Theyre disguising peak oil by telling everyone they have to go electric to save the planet. Europe and china are oil importers, which is why they're going electric first.
>>520273572No it won't dudeOnly in your imagination It's astounding you think this is true. A base model Tesla would smoke any high end sports car with a v8I am 2 spinning magnets you rely on an explosion in the front and smoke out the back
ICE simply put is engine autonomy. Bureaucracy doesnt work with ICE because the state can hardly get between the end user and the various economic components of ICE engines.
After the AI boom they need another subject to pump with infinite money printing for a golden exist parachute and a new growth industry.Environmentalism gives that excuse and it's even supported by identity politics retards.This way they can keep the dying auto industry alive by giving them endless subsidies and no one is going to bat an eye, along with doing the same shit in multiple other sectors.Also it's a globohomo control scheme. You can't just drive wherever you want with no charging available, where as gas is found all over the place.
>>520272759cool story
>>520272370no more trannies! (transmissions)
>>520273788My car came with it and i turned it off before I even drove it for the first time.
>>520274054you cant turn it off permanently in the eu without modding it
>>520273331Did you know the whole tesla deal is they sell carbon credits to gm and others for lots of money.Elon’s business model only works with its government funding. They make around 25% profit on each tesla, compared to 5% of lets say a corrola. The normal brands dont get subsidiced. Its a scam. Also the lithium mines destroy the earth along with the defect batteries from old teslas. No, they wont be recycled.You’re litterally driving a earth destroyer packaged in virtue signals
>>520273131We are still importing french nuclear power. Age of stupidity.
>>520272432I agree. We should depopulate China, India, and Africa.That WAS your point, right?
>>520272370I don't know anything about that eurotrash law. I just wanted a good job, which I earned and to buy an old truck like my dad had, when I was a kid. All of that was stolen from me by the leftists and affirmative action subhumans.
carbon taxes = you pay taxes on air. only boomer could ever fall for such a retarded bullshit
>>520272432Fuck you... I'm going to start burning trash and tires. There is nothing you can do to stop me asshole green commie libshit.
>>520273876>peak oilDo you also believe in manmade climate change?
>>520273331>oil changes, sparkplugs,gaskets, fuel pumps, filters, etc etc gas linesImagine listing these as some kind of insurmountable tasks, when you can easily do them in an afternoon while chugging a couple of beers, you mindless consoomer NPC retard
>>520273648Based brit. Always good to have likeminded peoples here.Yess, the newer cars are being fucked by regulations. The brands have to follow along or they cant sell.Its always the (((green))) parts that clog up with shit and fucks the engine
>>520272636>suicidal guilt.Germans are just arrogant stupid assholes. I doubt these subhumans have feels of anything.
>>520273713>impressive how hypocritically smug one nation can beImagine saying this while being dependent on Russia for enriched Uranium. You also might have noticed that Germany is not an island.
>>520272370Profit."New = better" to the average consumer. They'll pay higher prices for shit tech.Companies have a duty to innovate, electric is just the most feasible and popular thing right now.In reality CNG is the best option, but since it's IC and you don't get to feel special by plugging in your car, it isn't catching on yet.
>>520274385Great point from hungarbro
>>520274301Trucks like that are still on the road, where will a tesla be in just 20 years.What is the life span of the battery, once the battery is gone the car is trash.
>>520274465t.schlomo
>>520274961Where will we be in 20 years
>>520274553>dependent on Russia for enriched Uraniumlol, lmao. you could have been honest and taken the piss out of us for being a glorified aircraft carrier for the US but that? really?>You also might have noticed that Germany is not an islandwould being an island stop you from being fart sniffing homosexuals?
>>520272432Destroying is subjective in this caseThe earth will still be here even if we completely reshape it with our garbageIt will just be a different kind of beauty
>>520272370I think they are trying to get rid of the technology altogether so that you can’t build tanks to fight them.
>>520275526Out of arguments? Only insults left? Show some respect.
>>520275232DED, but my 4 cars that are over 20 years old will still be on the road, not in a junk yard.Maybe I should get one of these newfangled diesel-electric carriages.
>>520272370>Whats the deal?The politicians of the nations who produced the best ones are retarded as shit, and the politicians of nations that were behind on the tech (like China) heavily encouraged them because why not just let your enemy shot themselves in the foot
>>520272432Why not, I would say fuck it, there is no way to stop it. Humanity will destroy this planet much earlier than you expect, and for sure not with pollution. Get another planet, idiot. There is no fucking way to save this one, all your measures are literally useless.
>>520275694>Out of arguments?no, i called you dishonest, a liar. i know english is pretty much your first language so i thought you'd have understood that.
The sun is going to fry this place sooner or later, everything ends..
>>520272370to benefit china
>>520272370The Age of Aquarius is coming, and the elites are pushing for the Electric Kingdom, where everything is electric, digital, surveyed and known/transparent. They are going to force an end to the so-called fossil fuel era, and have even hinted that they will use earthquakes to break the oil rig system. China is leading the way in this, and their roll out of solar bs panels, mass surveillance, social credit systems. and dominance of EV markets is this electric kingdom being introduced. Just listen to Boris Johnsons speech at the UN shortly before covid to get a glimpse of their mindset.
>>520273788That's it, the point of disabling it is if you're in constant traffic on the highway (motorway) or in the city and your engine is hot, it's going to put stress on the turbo and block.The repeated restarting means that hot metal is constantly expanding due to cooling cycles and contracting it can potentially induce cracks, if you've got a diesel, particulate matter such as carbon WILL build up in the DPF without being able to passively regenerate.
>>520275646This i believe too. Its an analog technology that they want gone. They cant controll ice systems for 100%.Ev’s can be controlled 100%
>>520275698Based and agreed. Ehhh, a diesel generator powering virtue signalling ev’s?Thats crazy
>>520272370Germans simply like to cause problem for everyone trying to do stupid unnatural shit, that will never work, just like with nazism. Humans are literally supposed to fuck shit up and spread out. Instead of trying to develop technology for space travel they just waste precious time digging in the trash.
>>520274400Much appreciated clogbro, euro regulations are utter bullshit. The van is EURO 5, minimum needed for driving in London for petrol engines is EURO 4 but my 30 odd year old volvo passed all MOT emissions tests with no problem despite being EURO 1.ULEZ is a fucking scam and one day I'm going to saw Sadiq Khan's head off live on ITV2 to the tune of Hey Ya.So anyway, how's the motor coming on?
>>520273648> Rebuilt a MK1 MX5 block from scratch a few years agoVery based btw
>>520276218Create a wall of text to delude yourself into believing Von Braun was not a nazi (as in, a para-religious surrogate of Satan for bugmen)
>>520276540Nazims was just as a silly attempt to keep things from changing as the co2 emissions caps. Humans are going to mix, just fucking deal with it.
>>520273242pic related
>>520274054i would too. stupid fucking idea.>>520276088yeah right, all makes sense. i remember friends that had trubo cars and would always carefully let it cool down a bit before shutting it off.
>>520276372What volvo you drive? So you cant go in the city with the volvo anymore? They restrict the cities here against diesel first i think. Not sure about petrol cars yet, but it will come probably.Thing is back together a while back ;). I got 20000 km on it without problems, doesnt drink any oil. Crazy how these 90s engines are better then for example the newer 1.4 - 2.0 VAG engines, these swallow oil by the liters. Sad though because the vag cars have good anti rust treatment on rhe paint and i like the interior. Its a shame really
>>520273963100%
>>520276037> Boris Johnsons speech at the UN shortly before covid to get a glimpse of their mindset.Summarize it in 5 words
>>520277293> I got 20000 km on it without problems,Since the headgasket replacement*
>>520272803EVs are better in any regard. They are simpler. Not many things there that can break. In combustion engine there are thousand of celebrate miniature details from steel grinding each other. While there is no conceptual difference between a toy car and a real electric car. The biggest problem is the battery and overall higher energy consumption.
>>520277778elaborate details*
China makes steel. China makes batteries. Every piece of your car is Chinese, and they charge more for steel. It isn’t anyone but them making you green, well them and the people obsessed with green.
>>520278168Electric car are not really green. With gasoline you use resources more efficient, to the last drop. Plenty of electricity is lost during production, storage and transportation, literally wasted resources.
>>520278168Its(((communism)))
>>520272432As a proud member of Pentex, I just found a new Bane fodder.
>>520277914Anyone that works with motors knows when they break they are fucked and can’t just be repaired on the spot. Gotta send them to specialist to be repaired or just trash it and get a new unit.
>>520272370Because if in the 2040s something occurs atmospherically and with the sun that makes electronic vehicles and the electronic infrastructure in general completely unusable, they can assert dominance after returning from their underground bases using gasoline powered p51 mustangs and the like, and the survivors of these environmental changes will be so tired of using donkeys to get around theyll treat these returning "elites" with gratitude and gladly work in the mines for them for pittance
I was never interested in ev cars but now with Na+ battery things are getting more interesting
>>520278586As if you can repair a combustion engine on spot, if seriously damaged it is the same story. All things that people usually adn regulary repaire in combustion engines do not even exist in the electric motor.
>>520277082Hows the regulations in norway? Can you still own petrol or diesel cars?
>>520273048It's money laundering. Same with HS2.
>>520278747Dont fall for it cro-cop, just keep driving that polo 9n shitbox untill the rust splits it in half.
>>520275824>HumanityIt's Jews, chinks, and jeets that will be doing the destroying, and you know it!
>>520278768It’s a lot easier to repair than an EV. Being all electrical any little problem and the car either goes into a limp mode or doesn’t work at all. You can’t diagnose anything without the dealer tech tools.I’ve fixed all kinds of mechanical issues on the spot with basic tools.
>>520279473Also cost. I rebuilt a v8 with performance parts for $2500. To replace a Tesla drive motor its close to or over 10k new.
>>520279683but how often Tesla motor breaks?
>>520279856Whenever the government decides
>>520279683You sound breddy based
>>520273331>Enjoy the lifetime of oil changes, sparkplugs,gaskets, fuel pumps, filters, etc etc gas lines...etc you retard.Im not gonna make the effort to find an image but imagine the Obi Wan meme with "...that's why I'm here" but with Hank Hill instead.>Roadside pickups are free with all teslas anyway.Bet lmao. It's probably a diesel.
>>520272370Limited EV range -> people can't travel as far without rechargingEVs being more expensive -> less people own cars to begin withBoth result in a population that's easier to control. If you want to stop unruly masses from threatening the government, just stop public transport / disable charging stations.
>>520272432>Meme flag>Retarted take.Yes >>520272370Its just jews. The first post clears that up pretty quickly
>>520272571Imagine waiting around forand hour so your car can "turbo charge" while youre wifes boyfriend pays on his phone app for you to get 10% charge.But you cant go anywhere because theres an update.No, ill buy 6 gallons of gasoline for the national a erage and be on my way in 5 minutes.Take your kike NWO shit somewhere else.My time is money, i dint give a fuck about your environment. Because you clearly dont either, the rare earth strip mining has been worse for the environment since the cumbustion engine existed, than all the output of all the combustio engines that exist.Kys kike faggot.
>>520272370The rich who missed the ball on automotive investment are now creating an opportunity for themselves to invest in EV and battery corps.
>>520272432The making of cars out of plastic and breakable cars that don't last is going to have a way worse effect on the environment. We need right to repair and to criminalize planned obsolescence. Otherwise all these cars and batteries will just fill our landfills. The corporations are playing you for a fool while they make appliances that break in 2-3 years.
>>520272571>I have no oil changes...How to change the oil and filter in a Tesla...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPGascEXUacIf you don't want your Tesla to end up in the boneyard prematurely, you have to change its oil and filters regularly. Cheers!
>>520272432oh no that suvks, mister evropa. i guess we have to get rid of all mega corporations on the entire planet to save it...
>>520273063And pay extra for heated seats and no towing capacity?Idk anon, an f150 with a gen1 coyote and 4x4 seems the better deal. I can haul my american wife (350lbs) and my 2 american corn fed toddlers(450lbs) to and from mcdonalds without issues while i have a chord of lumber in the bed and my bme in tow(wife and kids blew the shocks out, and no wood hauling capacity) on a flatbed trailer. All while getting 15mpg.Not too impressed with bmw.
>>520272370C H I N Awill buy everything up
>>520281185BMW* in tow.Accidentally some words.
>>520274246You know, we still haven't actually achieved parity with the sheer torque that steam engines deliver. Here's a steam tractor walking away with a competition tractor pulling weight.https://youtu.be/EVxByLO_6cA?si=EZVIB5BK_Qee2pizHere's one with a 44 furrow plough.https://youtu.be/5xDj45zF-l0?si=IgmKiKt2M85cTgAZ (4:35)
do we get rid of the 4,5 billion people ballast aswell or will it just be my friends getting nuked to dust? off course and the fauna multiplies like swamp rats.i should take botox against depression, this world is a giant dump.
>>520272370when it's something dumb, it's usually just ideology.
>>520272571>I have no oil>moving mechanismsYea nice bait you got me to reply
>>520281185>I can haul my american wife (350lbs) and my 2 american corn fed toddlers(450lbs) to and from mcdonalds without issues...
>>520280146If I can’t fix it I won’t buy it. If you can fix everything then you need no one. I got certified and licensed for electrical and plumbing just so I can do all my own work on my house and not have to worry about paying out the ass for labor and inspections when I sell it.
>>520281756Top fucking kek.
>>520281185Bet a Tesla can't do this......
>>520281926The tesla truck frame isnt even rated for that kind of stress. Green freaks ust dont get it.
>>520281113Those cars have crazy coolant systems. Boy what a world of awful you’d be in if a hose burst and pumped a couple gallons of fluid all over the electrical system.
>>520278778Yes, we are allowed to, for now, and if you have a bunch of money, you can still buy a V8 petrol Land Rover, but it's going to cost twice what it cost in the US, and so will the petrol to run it.The treasonous Manchurian libtarded politicians are stumbling over each other coming up with new ways to fleece normal people farting around in their old ICE cars. They are getting ready to get rid of more of the tax excemptions from new year, so people who have been on the fence are buying their new EVs now, before they have to pay another 10-20-30K for a car come jan. 1st.
>>520272571>I can outrun ANY an I mean ANY fucking gas vehicle. I can literally go from 0-75 in 3 secondskek, yeah, from the stoplight for about 400 meters. Then your brain switches on again and you go 55 mph like the good goy you are because you don't want to drain the battery so fast. I see those ugly nerd fuckers creeping over the Autobahn every day.
>>520281282Steam engines are Based...
>>520282091Indeed, anon. It amazes me how many Tesla owners don't understand the technology they're dealing with...https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-faulty-battery-cooling-systems-design-model-s-2012-2019-6https://list.solar/news/coolant-leakage/
>>5202821430-75 in 3 seconds.anons tesla hauls ass at 170mph or whatever cuck limit gets set on the system.It freaks out, slows you down intentionally.Conversely you could disable it somehow, go 4 miles, and the motors are overheated and batteries are now bulged from the sheer stress of depletion, capacitors now leaking. Nicely shaped vrick sitting on the road with a retard that never knew the manual doors existed on it. So it becomes his coffin, jyst like his smug ass deserves.
>>520282333Agreed. The Union Pacific "Big Boy" was the pinnacle of steam power development. It pulled it's train alone. Something that requires multiple diesel/electrics now.
>>520282748Unmeasurable power.
>>520278168Not directly a related response, but Grenadier seems to be the more faithful continuation of the Defender series. I'd buy that one if I could afford it, if it came down to choosing between that and the new JLR stuff. Just leaving this here because I wasn't aware of the Grenadier's existence until recently and JLR has recently literally trooned out.
>>520283049Err, meant to quote >>520282130
>>520272370Because it's freedom.Huge autonomy, can vaguely jury-rig your own fuel.They want you connected and paying to the grid at least twice a day.
>>520283049I had never heard of the Ineos Grenadier. Thanks, anon!
>>520273063>Just buy a BMW bro
>>520283370And it won’t break down since good bmw drivetrain
>>520280876That's not how it works though, if you didn't get some piece of shit 10 year old EV.After driving for 4 hours, you stop and plug into a charger, go take a leak, and get a coffee. When you get back to the car you're at 80%, and ready for the rest of your trip. (no, I'm not spending more than 6-7 hours driving in a day, and neither are 99% of people, even though you surely commute with a work trailer 8 hours each way every day, 600 days a year....Yadda, yadda, yadda...
>>520272759>white man's vehicle>can only be made with rare earth elements from China
>>520282748I mean it sort of is two engines.
>>5202828706,000 ton train load6,000 horsepower600,000 newton meters 40 miles an hourALONENothing has come close since.It's just that diesel electric is cheaper by virtue of being more mechanically simple.Also, watch this.https://youtu.be/Hszu80NJ438?si=T3uQlAgNydei1n5He does it justice.
>>520272432Because it turns fuel into mechanical work. They are trying to take that away from the common man by electricity.
>>520283583SHUSH!
>>520273572>My suburban has 1200hpBased. What tires are you rolling?
>>520283370>never heard of the Ineos GrenadierSome British billionaire wanted to buy the rights to make the old defender when Landrover came out with the new defender. Landrover refused to sell the right to make the old defender so he made his own car company.
>>520283438>bmw drivetrainDROPPEDUnless it's the old 2.5 six pot from the early 00s, which, ironically, were the most commonly used diesel engines in the Range Rovers of the era.
>>520278168Just buy a made in Japan car, dumbass
>>520283777Zf8 and b58 is unironically a great drivetrain I would take anywhere
>>520272370Stupid decision to use "green" tech without any thought of how to bring it about. There's 5 years left to reach this made up deadline and there's still no infrastructure or decent cars to be seen.Look, ten years isn't enough time to change this quickly. It's not exactly like the difference between a horse carriage and a fucking ford model t
>>520283379>Polish driving lesson.webm
>>520272370VAG is shite, that's why
>>520283379What's the difference between a BMW and a scorpion?;-)
>>520283736Generally just wrangler road tires. When it’s time to get busy I have a set of Toyo QTs and a set of r888. I had true radials but it was like driving a boat on top of a boat on rough seas.
>>520283741>Some British billionaire...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe
>>520283049That's pretty neat.Looks modular. "A musk ox smashed your door?" "Nevermind, just bolt on a new one."
>>520272517your picrel is absolute nonsense
>>520272432Exterminate jeets then, they're the biggest pollutants.
>>520284480its contained in a popular study published by a respected university
>>520282130That sounds terrible. Forcing people into EVs. Climate change is a hoax
>>520284110What size are you rolling? 33s?
>>520277663Apologies mate I'm out for a drink with the Mrs, if the thread is still alive tomorrow I'll send over pictures of the Ovlov 940. Fantastic work, 20k after head gasket change is a testament, godspeed.Oh and the MX5 mods ended up taking it from 95 BHP uk spec 1.6 to 130 naturally aspirated, camshafts changed timing advance. Full exhaust and intake manifold replacement. Greatest regret of my life was selling that car
>>520283451K. Have fun with your cuckmobile.Share your feelings with your boyfriend, i have a wofe to beat
>>520284077With a scorpion, the prick is on the outside
>>520276037Quite bold considering how reliant literally everything is on fossil fuels. There is a subset of retards who at least understand this. They tend to believe in peak oil conspiracies though, and that billions will die because the food system is entirely reliant on massive inputs of fossil fuels to function. Everything from fuel to fertilizers, transport, ect.
>>520285850> Oh and the MX5 mods ended up taking it from 95 BHP uk spec 1.6 to 130 naturally aspirated, camshafts changed timing advance. Full exhaust and intake manifold replacement.I doubt its still on tomorrow but we will meer again Have fun!
>>520272370>Why are theypower and controlthey dont want normies to be able to just leave their 15-minute plantations they are building EV is an invisible ball and chain that when the time comes will be programmed when, where, and how you are allowed to use itthey can even precisely cause it to self destruct as part of their ultra efficient economywho needs planned obsolescence when you can have obsolescence on demand
>>520272370Planned obsolescence of gas vehicles. Not because of the environment, but because gas vehicles don’t need the WiFi Bluetooth 5g Blu-ray experience center console that allows the government to track you.Electric vehicles also consume more energy and are worse for the environment. Ever thought of energy conversion? Ever seen the Andes? Ever been around a lithium fire? The only way to put it out is to pour bags upon bags of sand on it until it stops. Electric vehicles are the ultimate goyim midwit machine.
>>520276372Kek
>>520272432How is european cars with 102 grams instead of 106 grams of CO2 going to save the world when india has landfils the size of washington state that are permanently on fire and have been since 1949 to control the growth of the landfil? You understand garbage trucks in india just dump everything in rivers yes? Millions of tons of garbage goes in rivers every day, they dont give a SHIT and neither do you, you'll make white people 99% poorer to reduce white people's CO2 footprint by 0.1% meanwhile shitskins BURN everything or dump it in the ocean.Do you know what happens to E-waste in india? They burn it at high temperatures, even lithium batteries to extract tiny amounts of copper nickel and gold from circuit boards. Every used iphone and solar panel is burned in india in massive fire pits. Black smoke from these pits is visible from space, bigger than volcanic eruptions. 24/7. Why dont you care about that, but you DO care about euros drinking from paper straws
>>520272370death to the fucking eudeath to fucking eunionistsdeath to krautlandian sodomites, particularlydo with that what you may
>>520286991these morons judge the world by their own self imposed standards. they think that if we scourge ourselves to save a gram of deadly devil gas that other people will feel guilty and want to do the same. But they completely and utterly misunderstand the nature of other people, because indians and chinks and everyone else but them doesn't give a single fuck.
>>520272432This.
Forced EV mandates are simply mass demobilization. They want you to own nothing and especially no individiual mobility, have fun in your pod in City 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8LTUmHWP0
Electric motors are great. But why do they always need to come in an Orwellian 5G-ready car with software updates and deliberate erosion of right to repair?
>>520273572So. What's your NurnbergRing laptimes in your soccer-mom Burban?
>>520287628Because it's 2025.
>>520272517Thats the gayest thing ive seen all week.
>>520287719Who cares about laptimes when you have a v8 blasting out 1200 horses
>>520272370It's unironically global warming. We don't even have harsh winters anymore in Sweden. I remember when I was a kid and the winters where cold as fuck but now you don't even need a jacket for most of December or Februari.
>>520273417Youre gay and your choice in transport is gay.
>>520288227The causation thing.Earth is on its cycle, with or without us.Nothing we can do about it.
>>520288185People who brag about performance should I figure...
>>520288227you were still soft as a kidnow, decades of getting buttfucked y zoomalis toughened you up a bitis allpedospace moar, swedenian sodomite
>>520275694>>520275526stfu. You are both either retard or bot. shut the fuck up or at least speak on topic.
>>520283379>>520283900I have this webm saved as "slav simulator".
>>520272432>let's kill most of the population so we only have the comrade elites and a manageable slave casteCommunism.
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>>520288416Okay, lets say that's the case.Maybe the real reason is that the EU and China don't wanna buy oil from other countries anymore? Both China and the EU are focusing pretty hard on electric vehicles to replace combustion vehicles.
>>520272370>>520272571So when will we have 400mph electric nascar?
>>520272370It's simple, nobody wants krautshit when Japanese cars exist, so VW is a failing business.Honda's existence makes krautshit and yankshit obsolete.
>>520272370Because ICE reached its peak almost 30 years ago, and it is a dead end.
>>520274271>can't understand per capitaabsolute state of this website
>>520288227Climate has always been in constant change. It always will, until our sun grows too big for humans to stay here... and hopefully we have set up shop somewhere else by then... in a billion years or whatever... Atmospheric CO2 was 10 times todays levels when corals evolved, but now it's suddenly too much with 400ppm or whatever. It's a load of bullshit. A tax Ponzi scheme, and you swallow it, gulp it all down... pay up and carry on, cheering for the assholes feeding it to you.
>>520288751Could be. My guess its the control thing. They lost control on the narrative since the internet. Without internet we wouldnt have found all this crazy shit out, 911, gulf of tonkin, uss liberty and more.They try to mitigate that with digital id and a sensored internet.I think vehicle with an ice engine is a threat to them for their future scenario.All the technocratic instruments have to be implemented all at once. What has been said, the 15 minute prisons and youll own nothing. Ev’s are controllable by a driver now, in the future this will not be possible. Its probably gonna be ai taxi’s which will probably be geolocked. Its always the 8000 or so elites vs the world
>>520289167t.schlomo
>>520272432Greenhouse gas emissions for refining Lithium greatly exceeds those produced by ICE engines, though possibly recycling Lithium might reduce that amount.
>>520272432>we only have one Earth, retard. let's try not to destroy this planet with pollutionImagine thinking a 5000 lbs EV filled with Chinese rare earths is somehow saving the planet.
>>520289224modern tech doesn't make ICE more efficient.
>>520272370VW group are now spending hundreds of billions of Euros to develop next gen ICE engines because no one is buying EV's.
>>520272517Make them physically enforce it! They are out numbered.
>>520272370car drives are fucking trash and should be all exterminatednow given this is unpractical, I would ban ALL CARS over 1000cc we confiscate your fucking shitcans and we give you a nice little 1000cc car, more than enough for ANYBODYif you want to drive a bigger vehicle, become a fucking commercial truck driver
and be grateful I am not banning all cars outright
>>520292097Lets hope.
>>520292249Ok satan
>>520273063The paint on those looks awful, like someone tried to shine spray paint. Why would someone buy those pieces of garbage >nb4 poorfagsYes, but if I had decent money I would get a mustang GT or a spec'd out pre Peurto Rican era Benz if I wanted luxury
>>520272432>we only have one Earth>Let's rip it apart sourcing rare minerals for muh "eco-friendly" e-waste
>>520292303It's 100% happening. It's also looking like eurofags are going to rollback all the banning of petrol cars too.
>>520292368exactly, when this elite guys take DMT and ketamine, they are taking TO ME!!I am the one who invented tokenization and I gave the idea to those guys, and now I AM GOING TO TOKENIZE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>520272571the energy density of oil is much higher than batteries, and this energy can be transfered in liquid formthese are two tremendous advantages over electricand there are others that the elites don't like; it's way too easy for gas vehicles to go where they want, the logistics of refueling are way too accessible to plebs, they can even make their own biofuel by growing plantsit's opposite to their goal to have most of humanity safely locked in "walkable cities" while the privileged few enjoy the rest of the earthev are much easier to control than carbon burners
>>520288160i could post something gayer
>>520293243Thanks, Canada.
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>>520272370Politically they're trying to shuffle stabilished institutions enough for them to lose power and pick who raises from the ashes themselves, as they do with everything, even themselves. That said, if something have to go is petrochemical-dependent infrastructure
>>520272517>Shipping goes to zeroAka, return to age of sail and allow the Chinese to conquer the entire world without firing a shot Surely nobody could think this reasonable in any way
>>520292097VW Group are in deep financial trouble.They still have loyal customers all over Europe who might just pick European made over import cars, but when the EU bureaucrats keep poking sticks in their own populations future prospects, it's hard to see them still being a major brand in 5-10 years.
>>520280604>Limited EV range -> people can't travel as far without rechargingWith a car you can go anywhere you wantWith cocaine you can get there non-stop
>>520288227The sun is entering a double solar minimum 2030-2050, we will get cold winters again,and this time with half our nuke plants and oil plants gone.
>>520292411Rare earths are not so rare. A LOT of it is by-products from other mining that is usually dumped as waste. China has 10 years head start of extracting and refining these materials, and that's a real bummer. Rare earths from mining operations in most areas in the world, is tossed out after the copper or nickel ore or whatever has been extracted.Learn more about the subject. Lots of interesting short, easy-digestable for brainlets with fruitfly attention spans.
>>520272370Everything about jews and fefails is about power and control.ICE breaks free of them somewhat. Carrying a gas can in your trunk is a lot easier than a bunch of spare batteries.Electric meme cars can also be remotely controlled and shut down or you shut down (suicided).
>>520272990electric cars are in their infancy (thanks to big oil lobbying in the alst 150 years). Compare current electric cars to cars from the early 1900s. Your gas engine is NGMI.
>>520295772The battery has not evolved for well over a century
Retards need to understand that the devils that control these rich retards want to destroy man and this world, using the fundamental innate inefficient nature of our modern energy storage and economic understanding to turn man into it's own finite ouroboros to kill two birds with a single stone, to turn man's desire to seek comfort and fullness against himself. Filling the cup of his soul with acid and burning out the bottom of it
>>52027341775 percent of teslas I see are driven by chinks or jeets. They drive like bigger retards than prius drivers
>>520295772Electric cars were the first cars, dingus. The problem isn't with electric motors but the shitty batteries. Always has been. There is a reason e.v manufacturers don't talk about what happens to them when it gets cold. The solution they came up with is to attach a heater to the battery compartment...which runs off the batteries. Lol. That shit has to be running 24/7 when it's cold because lithium ion battery anodes start plating under 20f. They plate for a number of reasons but I will leave that example to speak for how shit e.vs are.
>>520297537thats one of the main reasons i just cant see them being of much use up here. they need to be plugged in constantly between drives and good luck when the power goes out in a winter storm.
>>520297661Yea i dont see it work in the cold. I read somewhere some norwegians where having problems with their tesla in wintertime.Ev is a joke and elon knows it. He’s just riding the green retard wave
>>520299364they seem to work well enough in a city etc where you go from plug to plug all the time and only need shorter distances. but its not going to work for much else at the current state of the tech.
>>520299519Another problem is that europe’s energy grid isnt capable to handle all people charging their ev at night. We are allmost at max capacity allready
>>520299783yeah i did hear something like that too. think its the same most places. i mean, once the battery tech is better i wouldn't having one and id just trickle charge the fucker on solar and wind. but you know they are going to make them all stuffed full of cameras and internet updates and all the rest of it so no thanks. if there are just plain simple evs around that can replace my 1L run around without all the extra shit built in then sure, why not.
>>520299971> if there are just plain simple evs around that can replace my 1L run around without all the extra shit built in then sure, why notI guess if you give them your finger they grab your hand.
>>520300201i'd give them my inch but they'd want a mile
they want everyone to drive EV's so they can shut down the power grid and stop you from traveling.they could build ICE cars with zero emissions if it was actually about saving the planet
>>520300261We’re bumping this bitch into oblivion
>>520300473seriously....some little 700-800kg two door family run around in EV that can go 4-500km between charges and i wouldnt mind it really. its going to be a pain in winter unless the batteries dont care, but then i have to plug in anyway when its really cold to help it start already. but my current car is so efficient anyway (4.5L/100km) that im not sure it can get any cheaper or more efficient as it is. what we need are more smaller cars that give 4-6L/100km instead of all the massive fucking trucks and cars full of bullshit.
>>520300740what we need is faggots like you to shut the fuck up and let people drive whatever they want
>>520299971>if there are just plain simple evs around that can replace my 1L run around without all the extra shit built in then sure, why not.Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>520296120You must have been living under a creationist flat earth or something for the past 15 years?Energy per kilo has gone up A LOT, and prices have come down.The evolution is still happening so fast that it makes little sense to sell your 3 year old EV, because new buyers don't want that shitty old tech with half the capacity / range / charging speed as what todays more advanced models have. It's like computers in the early 90s. Battery chemistries have changed a lot, and will continue to do so.This is not hard for you to verify.
>>520272370>VAG is going broke. Bullshit eu green regulations. Expensive energy for factories.The US benefits from a weak europe since your penises are in the cuck cage and you have to have us control you and we are 1 billion cucks together fighting for Israeli and ukrainian interests (ukraine being a northern extension of israel). In your specific case you are also run by w*men.
>>520300828im not in favor of telling anyone what to do anon. but having run such a small car for many years and knowing how much it saves on fuel costs (not to mention stuff like tires, which are mayb $60 each) i think a lot of people might choose one. >>520300853mea culpa...mea maxima cupla
>>520300990Thats alot of cucking.We need some sort of v8 subsidies instead of for ev. More cilinders = tax write off and discount.
>>520283777I've got a 2.5L from 2001, nearly 167K miles still running strong
>>520301083They run cheap but the bigger cars are more comfortable. My shitbox is made for tiny japs, im lurking for an audi or volvo for better seats and shit. I would keep the shitbox so i can wrench one and drive the other
>>520301419>bigger cars are more comfortable.of course they are. my other drive is a 90s F150 with the 302, but i can't justify paying $60 for what the other vehicle will do for $15 all the time. I consider driving the truck a treat because it is....or its being used to move large heavy things around, and then you just eat the cost of course.
>>520297537Na+ Sodium batteries are going to change this issue very soon for those of us living in fucking cold places. It hasn't really been an issue for me since I rarely drive more than 100 km in a day, and my Cheap little Peugeot e-208 deals with that sort of distance, and about 3 times, with no problems.I just plug in when I need when I get home.
>>520272370>Why are they trying to destroy internal combustion engines?Pic rel, goy
>>520301928you get 300km from your little Peugeot? thats not bad i suppose.
>>520301928but fuck would you look at the weight of that thing - 1500kg. thats almost 2x my little ICE car. hory shet, they need to look at that.
>>520299364It's pretty rare to see people having serious issues with reduced capacity in Teslas. So the have been, and continue to sell like hot cakes here. After New Year tax incentives (waived sales tax and maybe some commie "luxury tax") will be reduced again, so more pricey cars will have the taxes slapped back on again.Fucking trillion dollar wealth fund, and they still rake in hefty taxes, while bringing in useless third worlders, or doating billons to Hamas or Ukraine, or corrupt bullshit african projects.
>>520272759I drive out of the range of pretty much most EV's in a day and I'm not sitting for 30 minutes to wait for it to charge. Fuel stop and piss can be done in under 5 minutes. There's nothing analogue about it and I personally don't enjoy the experience. Torque monsters for sure, but its not that same. Engines are the soul of the car, idk how else to describe it.
>>520272432The only solution to saving the planet is massive population reduction. Whites are already the global minority and shrinking; Africans, Indians, Asians, pretty much all browns need to be reduced by billions their migration into White countries must cease.
>>520289040As soon as enough normies are sufficiently impressed by a race that lasts as long as a tiktok video
>>520299519>and only need shorter distancesthat describes the needs of the vast majority of people in Europe, and most other drivers around the world. And for those extreme cases, options are not far away. The 2026 Mercedes-Benz GLC EV touts a range of 700km.
>>520302722what if the cars picked up power from the track itself?
>>520302302Your car must be tiny, mine is pretty small by modern standards but it still weighs close to 3000lbs
>>520281185dumb nigger. Americans never had to pay a subscription for heated seats, that was only Eurofags and it was only on the cheapest cars.
>>520302762i think it can work for some people for sure. i not sure if its really any better than just running the same old sub 1.0L engines we've had for ages, but it can work. but for a lot of people here it just wont work at the moment, and im not sure it really has to work, because i dont think that CO2 is devil gas or that theres a shortage of oil.
>>520302893shes a sleek little thing thats for sure. sure do like 4-5 liters of gas for a hundred km, and thats wearing winter tread.
>>520272571I just see the word Tesla and stop reading your post, shove your climate lockdowns up your ass globalist.
>>520303041I always wanted a Geo Metro but last time I looked one guy in town owned them all and wouldn't let one go for less than 4.5K. Never see them on the road anymore
>>520302882Electricity production is funny in that plants are just constantly running and what doesn't get used is "wasted". Having these kinds of roads would be insanely lossy and require orders of magnitude more power plants.
>>520303429i neither confirm not deny your assertion. you can have mine for 4k US>>520303478i mean just for races. imagine what you could do with that kind of power
>>520302882They've been experimenting with that in some countries.
>>520303919it cant work of course but for racing it would be funny. all that power for the EV F1 cars lol. its a funny thought
>>520302302weight vs energy density in batteries have been looked at for many years, so some brands seem to be keeping the 500-600 km ranges, while dropping weight from the battery pack.
>>520302722Formula-e has been racing for quite a few years.In the Mexico City race, the cars do 41 laps around a 1,633 mile (2.628km) track.So there's that.
>>520305974im sure it has since its so obvious a problem. and they will get there in the end i dont doubt it. and then we're all going to be happy, provided i dont need to be driving a windows 17 shitbox that tells me something is in the mirror ever 3 seconds etc
>>520302989Atmospheric CO2, oxygen and water is the lifeblood of the planet.CO2 levels are doubled and tripled in greenhouses, and i boosts plant growth a LOT!
>>520272370Just make your own engines if you don't like it, chud.
>>520307641exactly. a bit more c02 isnt the end of the world.....its actually what the the world is used to lol
>>520272370looks like you did a good job destroying that on your own.
>>520283379me, the webm
