What kind of armor is this?
Are they praying as if they were at the wall? WTF!!
Waste of taxpayer money
whipple. good for breaking up hypervelocity projectiles or triggering penetrator payloads into a diffussion structure.
>>520346920The latest iteration of TUSK, based off the knowledge I acquired during my tour in Takistan
Every single of those miniaturized roman shields costs $1 million in lockheeb store.
>>520347286>WTFThat's called working together as a team, something you've never done you pathetic leaf with crying lady generals.
>>520347286They are checking if the panels are installed correctly or are installing them at that moment.
>>520347440Could think of funnier teamwork.
>>520347431>roman shields
>>520346920American contractor version of the cope cage
>>520347771that thing looks dumb
>>520347431>lockheebkek
If I was to guess?Some kind of ablative armour layer. If its new then its probably designed for protection from man portable anti-tank weapons or maybe even drones
>>520346920This is just the TUSK upgrade for urban environments, ablative ceramics to help with shaped charge attacks. Been around for a while
>>520347402>>520347874This, but in simple words, anti dron.
>>520347771Oh, I get it. Centurion tank.
>>520346920LOL this is not new at all. It's just ERA. And tanks are virtually useless now thanks to drones.
>>520348037>anti dronNo it's not. At all. TUSK means Tank Urban Survival Kit. This is basically still made with assymetric warfare in mind.
>>520348404I mean one of those drone hits to the sides would be better with TUSK installed. They are probably adding some sort of auto tracking shotgun to it as things are looking. We already have TROPHY systems on some tanks and I’m sure the big wigs want something better for drones.
>>520348574Drones will only be nullified with proper EW equipment and signal jammers.Alas yes, sure, but drones target engine decks, topsides and tracks to get mobility kills so they can swarm the tank with more drones.Trophy doesn't cover the tank 360 degrees.
>>520347872You're retarded if you think an fpv could take out any heavy tank made in the last 40 years. You'd need a tandem warhead with some serious girth. Do the russians have their own version of the TOW, or is the spg9 kind of it?
>>520348668Still can be overcome by fiber optic domes like we have been seeing. No jamming for those. Again I’m positive they are developing something for them. I saw a vid of some ai powered rifle meant for vehicles to automatically target incoming drones. Think the company is like SentinelOne? Trophy is for atgms frontally but again I could see a version 360
>>520346920Those are “flower pots”. You grow plants in them so you always have camouflage with you. If you plant fruit trees you also have food availability as you roll along…
>>520346920i think it's to store food for hungry american soldiers
>>520348688Wut, FPVs are probably responsible for most of the tank kills in Ukraine.
>>520346920>What kind of armor is this?anti taco
This is a dumb ass question, but couldn't they just up armor the top part of the tank since drones are becoming a new threat?
>>520346920Those won't work against 20lbs of c4 strapped to a fpvWould work for RPGs tho
>>520348668almost all drones in Ukraine are using wires to avoid being jammed. soldiers are complaining about it too since they are all over the ground there lmao
>>520346920Tortuga formation. When they approach an enemy trench the tanks will form a tortoise and advance in a box with their shields held overhead.>Its cutting edge tech from 0 AD.
>>520346920>new armor on unused tanks installed by faggot zoomers who have been trained on how black lives matter your tax dollars at work
>>520346920Hopefully better than what the IDF used in their merkavas in Gaza
>>520346920Cope plates
>>520347286>Canuckicuck has never seen men at work before in his entire lifeNever beating the allegation, fag.
>>520346920That's the TUSK2 system and it's several years old.
>>520349262Are you getting tanks and LAVs mixed up again?
>>520346920It's tandem ERA, to defend against tandem warheads.
>>520346920Cope cages.
>>520349279Could but with a bigger engine, then you might trigger a landkreuzer race
Couldn't you literally just add an extra rpg guy to the squad and just hit it twice in the same area to defeat it?
>>520350082Imagine how comfy it is inside...
>>52034930720 pounds of c4 is useless on its own. Wouldn't even fuck up a bmp. Thus the point of shaped charges.
>>520349695Ching chong bing bong. Fuck off back to tiktok wumao faggot.
>>520346920Just passive plates in front of the reactive ones? Prevents them from exploding/doing their job by relativity harmless shrapnel? Just a theory.
>>520350132The armor in the Abrams is specifically designed to be shaped charge resistant. Even if the ERA is cut through the actual armor will still resist it.
>>520346920>What kind of armor is this?Iron N shit.
>>520347286I’m going to make sure you go Under the treads feet first leaf
>>520346920Battlefield 6 is prepping for the inevitable Battlefield 7 which will mostly take place in Venezuela
>>520347771Kek
>>520346920>>520347431If it's called anything other than "Testudo" armor it's gay as fuck.
>>520349307>>520350174I figured this out. You've got to make a nonmagnetic shaped charge landmine. And it needs a 2 second delay fuse.
>>520350313I was looking for a response from humans not kikes. But thanks anyway.
>>520348688>You're retarded>Do the russians have their own version of the TOWBack to /k/ with you
>>520350590?
>>520348688Typical tank got at best 5cm RHA on the turret top and engine deck. You can penetrate with a dinky little M430 40mm HEDP as long as it comes in vertically from above.
>>520346920Cope cage
>>520346920Drone response. They likely tested it upon learning the lessons in Ukraine.
>>520348688/k/ope is leaking
>>520346920Those would likely work preddy good if you filled em with sand
>>520346920they should try that for infantry too
>>520350132it is a bit of a tit for tat arms vs armor race. when man portable antitank weapons and tactics are improved enough to defeat the armored vehicle, engineers develop and retrofit the armored vehicle fleet with a viable upgrade that defeats the antitank improvement. you only need to survive barely to kill the enemy and succeed locally. simpler tanks means more tanks just like simpler antitank rockets means more antitank rockets. to your point, rocket team double taps probably is best handled with a side whipple shield plate just like picrel. triple teams no doubt will be tried next, but thats 50% more manpower per tank along a large frontage. russian antitank rockets already use dual penetrators; maybe theyll soon have three, etc.
>>520346920This is a SCUTUM-class kit, plebeian.
>>520348688>heavy tank>do the russians have 40 year old wire guided missileslmao you fucking retard
>>520346920whatever it is, its not erotic enough
>>520350793Air is enough, any space does very well against shaped charges
>>520348688Hahahaha bullshit An entire tanks angled armor is aimed at frontal assault.Surprise a drone come in from the rear and at an angle. You'd be lucky if the back of ANY tank has more than 50mm armor.Cheap shit rpg rounds would(and do frequently) anhiliate tanks that way.Tanks are useless against drones
>>520347809And assuming it works it's also much smarter as you can throw an extra 10 in back to replace as they get destroyed.
>>520350859Let's be real though. After the proven effectiveness of Almas missiles in Lebanon Iran has probably already been flooding the shit out of every foreign arsenal hostile to the US now. Side armor doesn't help against FPV missiles being lobbed on high arcs from 12 km away. Hamas is kind of an oddball due to how cut off Gaza is. And none of that shit helps them now.This is just the US trying to scam people into buying their obsolete stockpile of Abrams.
>>520348037>anti drone>on the treads aimed downwardtheres that third world education
>>520346920Phalanx armor
>>520351025Just one of those plates probably costs more than 10 entire cope cages. I'm assuming this is like AR550 steel, forged into a perfect saddle shape. Sure as fuck costs a little bit more than chinese mystery meat steel.
>>520350674The reason we use RHA equivalent in all the charts is because all modern tanks use something other than RHA. An armored personnel carrier is not a tank.
>>520346920>we heard you like not getting evaporated in a drone induced cook off so we put spaced armor on your spaced armor so you could spaced armor while you spaced armor.
>>520346920>troon skirtsLmao, lol
>>520348688Gotta be bait. No fucking way you're actually this retarded.
>>520349533Can’t they spool the fiber optic back in?
>>520347286They're peeing on it.
>>520350223>triggered zogbotget back to scrubbing toilets, specialist
>>520348574Nope. Apparently you guys are too advanced for gay spray and pray tiny shotgun pellets... 50cal should suffice. Bullfrogs are in fitment testing for the Abrahams as we speak.https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/products/bullfrog-m2
>>520348911That’s nice but what about drone swarms. Even 200 at once would be cheaper to risk having 150 shot down.
>>520351033thats not really how the war is fought right now. armored assault columns are dead meat because of 100% realtime frontwide surveillance and a 20km deep greyzone dominated by artillery killchains that put rounds on target in less than minutes. dronewar is mostly anti-infantry and anti-logistics war. most soldiers in the open get killed, most soldiers in holes get a few shots off before theyre bunkered and killed by more drones. infiltration, dispersion, and interdiction are the common strategies for both sides, and the abrams is big, heavy, thirsty, loud, and has war bounties on it. adding whipple structure is a good thing if you want to use it on ukrainian war mud.
>>520346920That's a wall of wanking buckets.Had them installed on the tractor.It technically is buck-breaking equipment. More an accessory, really. You don't NEED them, but they're nice to have in case.
>>520347403Based
>>520346920This is the new pissbucket armor and those soldiers are refilling the piss, clearly.
>>520350132Probably but that isn't going to be easy.
>>520347286>Are they praying as if they were at the wall? WTF!!they're lining up to fuck the tanks fuck-hole. this is a cum tank. it's not a defensive weapon but rather a vehicle for collecting semen for water/protein shortage emergencies.
>>520348037This. If HEAT, the jet enters the semi-circular surface at an angle and against the grain. It redirects the jet away from the underlying armor. The blast wave is directed by the void upwards and downwards away from the vehicle hull and nearby troops.For rod penetrators, it deforms the penetrator and stretches it as unequal force is applied to a give cross section of the moving penetrator.This type of armor is effective for its relatively light weight.
>>520350680Wrong.
>>520351142Doesn't have to be good steel, it's just meant to detonate the charge.
>>520346920It's just another fancy approach to spaced armor. It won't help one iota. Russian tanks have mad max barns over them and they're still getting blown to bits. This little cope-skirt on the Abrams will not save it from drones.
Still using that gayass reactive armor? Pff... behold the latest in Russian tank technology and be amazed...
>>5203510255% better than russian cope cages, at 147 times higher price.
>>520351293Still waiting for someone to answer my question. Guess russia never figured out how to copy that particular western tech.
>>520351431>1pbtidVatnik troon on suicide watch
>>520350174Retard20lbs of c4 would obliterate an abrams. The pure explosive force of it would be enough
>>520352521And yet not a single Abrahams lost to drones
>>520353036they just tape the rpg warhead to the drone. you dont technically need the rocket, just the fuse.
>>520346920Ceramic composite plates used as spaces armour.
>>520348688What do you think a drone is, a flying stick of dynamite? They put modern armor piercing charges that go off almost point blank on the tank. This isnt some shell being fired from 800m away or a towelhead with a soviet rpg
>>520353036Russia has a different cost-benefit calculus. The shield armor only protects against side attacks on the hull. The ukies are attacking thin top armor.
>>520353213An rpg warhead isn't going to do shit to an mbt
>>520353180https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/footage-taking-out-abrams-ukraine> Footage released on August 11 has confirmed a successful strike on a Ukrainian Army M1A1 Abrams main battle tank in the Pokrovsk direction, which despite significant anti-drone countermeasures including a protective overhead cage, was neutralised after a single direct hit by an unmanned vehicle. Ukraine has lost over two thirds of the 31 Abrams tanks delivered by the United States, with the first loss confirmed on February 26 three days after the vehicles were first seen deployed in combat. The large majority of recorded kills have been achieved by drone strikes or using precision guided artillery, with both asset types able to penetrate the vehicle from its vulnerable top and rear armour
>>520351155>all modern tanks use something other than RHA.As armor yeah, not as a general construction material. Estimate what a hatch would weigh if it was half a foot thick and made out of a steel-composite-steel sandwich...
ITT: 31 flavors of retard
>>520347431>lockheebKEK
>>520346920I lost 10 IQ points reading this thread and I feel better already. Thanks!
>>520353016Ya but it's still a fucking tank not an above ground trench.
i bet each one of those metal plates cost 20000 dollars
>>520346920Simulation showed it's like 1.8% better than previous armor and it's enough to take billions from taxpayers. Typical military industry/corrupt politician bullshit.
>>520353471Thanks for the link to your blog Ait tahar. But sucking russian cock isn't going to make them approve your visa any faster.
Sky goes brrrrrrrr
>>520353428>Contrary to popular opinion, the Russians are not stupid. They had spent almost two years learning lessons from their own experiences in tank warfare before the first Abrams reached the front lines. The Russians were also quick to adopt the use of First Person View (FPV) kamikaze drones with explosives strapped to them.> FPV drones continue to be a major problem for both Russia and Ukraine to this day.> Russian anti-tank equipment is also more sophisticated than many people give credit for. Reports indicate that several Abrams tanks were knocked out by Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs), most notably the Kornet laser-guided missile, which has been responsible for many M1 Abrams kills.https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/m1-abrams-tank-the-great-loser-in-the-ukraine-war-against-russia/> The 9M133-1 missile with a tandem HEAT warhead can penetrate 1,000 to 1,200 mm of armor and defeat all modern and future tanks provided with add-on and built-in explosive reactive armor, as well as pierce reinforced concrete structures 3 to 3.5 m thick.
>>520351469The same way WW2 "ushered in the atomic age" WW3 will bring us the age of autonomous weapons, and that should frighten all of you.
>>52035325720 pounds for just the javelin warhead. There's better uses for a heavy octo copter than that.
>>520353866it is on video
>>520346920It's called ablative armor. It's literally designed to be destroyed in an explosion, but it directs the force of the blast out and away from the main body of the tank, causing essentially no damage to the internals while sacrificing the ablation in the process.The advantage is that ablative armor is super cheap and easy to replace while being about as effective as standard plates. Once. If a second shot hits the same spot though, you're fucked, but that's pretty unlikely in a combat scenario.
>>520346920It's not new, retard. And it's double ERA.
>>520354011People are by and large, retarded cowards. They are already frightened and too stupid to understand why. Autonomous weapons systems are just another straw on the camel.
>>520353180US never sends it's real Aborrhahams tanks out ever because they're always scared they'll get reverse engineered. It's one of America's most useless piece of military hardware despite having a real sleek look to it.
>>520348137kek
>>520352540NyetJust rubbish hereNothing to seeMove along now
>>520354033You lie
>>520346920That is roman shield armor. Inside they stuff a bunch of dildos. The dildos mix with the spall and fill the dipshit crews that still want to be tankers in the modern era. When they recover the burnt gore they find rubber/plastic dildo melted to the bones. Then they all laugh at the idiots who still tank in drone war.
>>520346920See>>520350841Some things can't be improved upon.
>>520348688Kek this post has NAFO troons seething
>>520353973Modern anti tank guided missile designed to destroy modern tanks destroys a modern tank (1980s, but still close enough).Finally someone not retarded.Can't wait for some vatnik to put it on a website and claim an fpv with an rpg warhead did all that.
>>520346920bamboo armor from china.
>>520353257No they don't you retard. You're seeing tanks destroyed my heavier ordinance and trucks/improvised LAVs destroyed by fpv drones.Drones are less than 1% of casualties, 80% are arty kills. NAFO troons seethe more.
>>520354391https://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-m1a1-abrams-tank-ukraine-struck-drone-video-1875478
they look like ARAT-1 or more likely M32 ARAT-2 plates. They’re ERA designed to stop shaped charges and EFPs, like RPG warheads
>>520348404>TUSK means Tank Urban Survival Kithuh?
every single abrams in ukraine was destroyed by an FPV drone hitting it from the top. usually destroys the engine, crew flees, then the tank becomes a sitting duck that gets annihilated by anything. it's not uncommon for tanks to get hit by 20+ FPV drones the moment they show up in ukraine. so the only way to survive is to completely surround the tank in anti-drone cages. it doesn't matter what tank it is. no cope cage = you die.
>>520346920Explosive reactive armor tiles with deflection plates on top of 'em. Point of deflection plates is to protect surrounding friendly infantry from the blast when ERA tile goes off. That is somewhat common in urban combat, the TUSK armor package was meant for. This is like almost decade old.>>520347440Its called training.
>>520348404TUSK would work for anti drone. It’s designed to improve protection from shaped charges from all directions, the exact same threat posed by drones
>>520346920Unironically the cope barbs look more effective than this shit.
>>520354876Fpv drives into already destroyed tank. Very convincing.
>>520354731You are literally fucking retarded
>>520347431>lockheeb
>>520355718>npr>ukraine officialsI'm the retard?https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/weapons-war-race-between-russia-and-ukrainehttps://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/ukraine-aoav-explosive-violence-data-harm-civilians-last-updated-10-july-2025
>>520355444so you watched the vid?
>>520346920>What kind of armor is this?Non explosive reactive armor is my guess, it protects against shaped charges, marginal effect against armor piercing arrows from tank guns. Most of that box is empty space so its light weight.
>>520356010Yes. You are
>>520356194Just fancy cage armor to absorb the majority of HE charge
>>520347838The explosive reactive armor blocks were worse to have to do track work and fuck around with since they were all hand-installed and janky and would get jammed lifting out or slotting back in just to open the armor skirts.These plates aren't new however. Maybe a new manufacturer but the type has been in use for over 20 years. But a lot of units don't like their installation if it's not absolutely needed. Which it isn't.If anything it's a little extra absorption that the tracks would get wrecked by anyway so the tank will be immobilized regardless the same as it always was but it's just extra maintenance hours for 99.99999999% of the tanks multi-decade long service life.
>>520347771Lol memes become reality
>>520356088What video? There's literally no video that shows an fpv destroying an abrams. Just pictures of an already destoyed tank. Or are we supposed to just take the kremlins word that they destroyed an mbt with two rubber bands and a used dildo?
>>520352521>Russian tanks have mad max barns over them and they're still getting blown to bitsIf you can get drops of molten metal into the turret compartment of a T-72, they will ignite the powder charges of the caseless ammunition because they are exposed to spall and debris from above. That wont happen with an Abrams which has protected ammo storage. O
>>520356010An article that's only about civilian casualties and an article that states a drone can't do as much damage as an artillery shell. So both you and those articles are fucking retarded
>>520356308Nope, 80% are arty kills, period. No amount of NAFO troon cope pretending you're winning changes that. Only 1% of kills are IED, mines, or naval fire and Ukraine is the most mined place on the planet, so drones are a percent of a percent, probably like 0.01% of actual kills. They're mostly effective as a FO (forward observer to you illiterate troons and tacticool larpers on here) and as a terror weapon in no mans land (read "fry the brain" to understand this concept) to damage morale.It's concerning that Russia can outproduce NATO and the entire west on artillery production by a ratio of 3:1, especially since that means the west can't confront Russia by conventional methods leading to only asymmetric and MAD options.But yeah, you're a dumb troon and should really stfu with your mentally ill opinions. ^_^Russia is our performing
>>520356678You got anybody other than you saying that?
>>520346920Can it be used as extra storage?Think of how food that tank could carry if it could, they could bring meals and snacks right into the combat zone when you get hungry.
>>520356557
>>520346920A copecage that costs x100000 so the Jews can steal more money
>>520346920placebo plates>no, Sgt Muttly, your tank is better than those other tanks. You have super special armor you are going to survive trust me bro
>>520346920>hong kongWHITU PIGGU GIBS US INFORMATION ABOUT ZHE ARMOR ON LE ARBAHAMS TANK!to me this looks like the mutts are going to be drafted soon. theyre making the tanks anti drone.
>>520347402>Does nothing to block the 50lbs of tannerite it just rolled over in my gravel driveway Non story
>>520356649The article specifically states 80% of casualties are artillery and the civilian casualties heavily mirror combat casualties in this conflict since the Ukraine terrorist regime in power is conscripting every breathing off and counting them as civilian casualties when they are inevitably turned into pink mist.I just don't want to get dragged into ww3 over some anne applebaum angry jew bullshit from centuries old pogroms.Kys tranny, your parents are embarrassed of you
>>520356758Literal government and international organizations, I posed some and you just seethe like a mentally ill troon.
>>520346920bubble wrap
>>520346920Like we would tell you CCP chink
>>520356840we are the USA not the russians or the chinese. we dont do that.
>>520352540madmaxmaxxing
>>520346920Probably a gloryhole
>>520348668>EW equipment and signal jammersWrong. They're using optical wire guided drones now. Can't be jammed and longer range. EW can be defeated by aluminium foil
>>520347286gotta submit to jew masters at every turn> "i heckin love to die for israel oooorah!"> "i pledge allegiance to our jewish overlords and aipac!"
>>520347771My tank has a six pack, does yours?
>>520356967What kind and if parent let's get child be with those niggers?
>>520354564you got that mixed up there, pal
>>520356840When I was in basic training to crew a Bradley, one drill sergeant told us all they were death trapsThey turned out to hold up pretty well in combat, though
>>520350482Should be called scutum, since that's what their shields were called. I don't think they'll do that though because it's too close to scrotum.
>>520357103russian parents. rusians love niggers.
>>520356557All your shitty tanks got destroyed just like the leopards lil bro.https://www.kyivpost.com/post/55415>All but one of the tanks lost in Ukraine resulted from drone or other strikes from above and to the rear
>>520352540Orc shit is getting more orc by the day
>>520357105Whatever, drones are a fucking meme and I hate anyone who talks about them online like they're a wonder waffle.It's usually NAFO trannies reeing that they're winning. I fucking hate this stupid war and the combatlet idiot cowards cheerleading it.
The day is coming where the batteries and motors will carry a JDam on a drone.
>>520351469Can't wait till we get vehicles with like 6 of those things on them. It's gonna be so cool.
>>520357210russians die in ukraine so africans and muslims can move in and take their place
>>520357210They can take all of our niggers.
>>520356922No I actually explained why using civilian casualties and sources with clearly false information was not going to convince anyone... Here you dumb niggerhttps://topwar.ru/261910-statistika-pozicionnoj-vojny-75-procentov-ranenyh-bojcov-vs-rf-poluchili-travmy-v-rezultate-atak-bpla.html?hl=en-USAre you gonna say both sides are lying about the same number? You literally don't know shit boomer. It's not 2015
>>520357042>You see pidor, if we break antenna to radio then enemy cannot jam it.
>>520356758Stop using ignorance as a shield for your ego you cuck.
>>520347286Kek amerigolems seething at this post
>>520357237you should go out into the streets and say that. instead of with a vpn here pretending to be the only humans that matter ,Americans.
>>520357341Those numbers I posted are from 2024 and 25 troons mcgoons. One was combat causalities and one was civilian. You're just seething and misinterpreting intentionally because you're mentally ill.>posts clickbaitRussian click bait articles are not a reliable source.
>>520357314yes
>>520347431>lockheebOh now youve doggone done it
>>520357494I do, all the time, right to Ukraine flaggy faggy faces. I'm very vocal about it. Nobody has done shit about it because it's only a limp twisted virtue signal here. Quit acting tough you fucking dickless troon, I hate you cowards, go fight in Ukraine if you actually care.
>>520346920Freedom cages
It IS frustrating because extra armor was discouraged even back in ww2 because the perceived added protection and weight was more harmful to the drivetrain than not having it AND the protection value was effectively nothing considering the munitions used.But the term was "PERCEIVED protection" so it got overlooked more since it just made some crews FEEL better.I HATED the TUSK upgrades except for the rear infantry phone, the belly plate(debatable value and extra 7 tons) and the .50cal main gun mount. But half the time contractor fucked the electrical of the ENTIRE tank but delivered them anyway. Everything else added was a daily nuisance.But in the modern case it's that MIC contractors FEEL like getting a raise.
>>520357237why you care so deeply about that shit? you live on the other side of the world
>>520347440imagine defending zogbots
>>520350596>Back to /k/ with youand yet they aren't the ones constantly slurping russian cum and falling for every kremlin talking point. regardless of what you think of the war, falling for foreign propaganda makes you more of a retarded faggot.
>>520357683Because we are being dragged into it and are deindustrialized to the point we can't even manufacture conventional weapon systems (like artillery, which is responsible for 80% of kills) at a rate to match Russia, which leaves only MAD (mutually assured destruction) or asymmetrical warfare (see terrorism) as a recourse option, which is bad for everyone. Not only that, but we've also had our borders open for years so any terror cell that wanted into our country is here and probably prepared to damage our shitty infrastructure.It's not a winnable war for either side, it will come at great cost, and I simply don't like people killing each other at the behest of NATO kikes and our kike government.That's why I care.
>>520347286They're installing the armor, you retarded leaf. The average American doesn't even know that theres a wall people pray at in Israel, the average American couldn't find Israel on a map. Touch grass
>>520354011>and that should frighten all of youwhy? it would be fun to control the battle bots in a videogame and see the results of my skill as a gamer pay off in real life.
>>520357968>The average American doesn't even know that theres a wall people pray at in Israellmao
>>520356860>Does nothing to block the 50lbs of tannerite it just rolled over in my gravel driveway 50 pounds of homebrew ANFO dumped in a hole and propagated by god knows what you came up with is more likely than not just going to get you a pissed off tank crew looking to dump some 120mm canister on your ass, because they now have to deal with a busted roadwheel and track.
>>520357237>Whatever, drones are a fucking meme and I hate anyone who talks about them online like they're a wonder waffle.not as much as the entire russian army is a meme. can't even take a much smaller neighbor barely receiving any outside help. and yes, the latter point is accurate. the west has provided almost nothing to the war effort other than emotional support and some antique shit that they were going to scrap anyway. only token quantities of anything actually useful to the war effort. no matter how you slice it, this war has been hugely embarrassing for russia. they can't beat a country 1/4 its size with some hand me down decommissioned junk.
>>520357683>>520357938To further explain why drones specifically,Drones are being promoted as a wonder weapon to make this war seem winnable by Ukraine (which it isn't), that's why I specifically hate the drones conversation.
>>520357868>yet they aren't the ones constantly slurping... cumlol
>>520349262>vs cold war and ww2 tanksdrones are kinda shit vs modern tanks unless the tank gets damaged and the crew abandon it and leave the hatch wide open. ATGMS Javelins NLAWs shit like that are much better.
>>520357938>I simply don't like people killing each other at the behest of NATO kikes and our kike government.do anything but blame the russian kikes who actually started the war. you're a faggot. daddy putin will save the white race, or something!
>>520346920FEED ME> What kind of armor is this?Cope barrels.
>>520357228And yet not a single video of a drone destroying the abrams. Despite the desperate attempts of the kremlin to get that propaganda win of a drone killing an mbt. Just stick with anti tank missiles, mines, and artillery. It's tried and true.
>>520346920Soo... does it work?
>>520358141That's not accurate, we gave Ukraine all of our power substation reserve (yes, that's a thing, we keep back up infrastructure and those substations have like 12 months lead times), billions of dollars, almost ALL our javelins (which aren't antiquated garbage, and boots on the ground as "advisors" (obviously combatants if you are familiar with special forces and their mission). We have a lot more invested in this war than you are insinuating and it's only making Russia a stronger power to contend with and pushing us towards a global conflict.This is retarded, only a retard would support this kind of conflict (which was caused by kikes forcing NATO into Ukraine via the Maidan color revolution).
>>520346920Looks like some standoff armor
>>520358297I don't love Russia, but the US did a color revolution to force NATO into Ukraine.
>>520358370I'm pretty sure the Abrahams were reported to have been hit with kornets not drones at the time.
>>520347771Groovy
>>520348688All kind of tanks was destroyed by drones. All western.
>>520358692>all kinds of tankscold war, world war 2 era tanks yea, you won't find a video of a western modernish MBT fully operating with a crew that gets destroyed (like blown up like most russian tanks) by a drone.
>>520346920Disrupts shaped charges which have a very specific detonation distance which is needed to work.That's also why all the vehicles in Ukraine are getting covered in spikes, plywood, and meshes. To trigger explosives before they touch the actual armor.
>>520347286Zogs got BTFO'd by this one post.
>>520358535Exactly
>>520358502Based and truthpilled. Anyone intelligent enough to fog up a mirror with their breath understands Globohomo coup’d the democratically, legitimately elected Ukrainian government in 2014 to install the pro-western government instead. Now, They largely use that strange “anti-corruption” bureau in Ukraine that’s staffed by Ukrainians hand picked by globohomos in the west.
>>520357228>all your tanksall but one of the tanks destroyed. not all your tanks were destroyed. of the ones destroyed>from drone OR other strikesOR... OR... yeah it was from artillery.
>>520348688armor is nothing against HEAT rounds bro
>>520346920You piss in there and it adds more protection. Those guys are pissing
>>520346920>What kindcopium
>>520357633why would i do that? im not ukranian,Ivan.
>>520355158>russians defensive in naturelol, true then, true today'The Russians throughout their history have always shown a particularly stubborn and tough manner of defense, while never being particularly gifted at offense. Their national character has a defensive nature. They are stolid and animalistic. They are accustomed to a hard and impoverished existence, and therefore do not hold on to life all that strongly. The average person has less worth than a bicycle.'The So-Called Russian Soulby Joseph Goebbels, 19 July 1942“Die sogenannte russische Seele”, Das eherne Herz (Munich: Zentralverlag der NSDAP, 1943), pp. 398-405.https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb11.htm-'Vorausgeschickt sei, daß die Russen sich in ihrer ganzen Geschichte immer durch eine besonders zähe und hartnäckige Art der Verteidigung ausgezeichnet haben, während sie im Angriff niemals viel taugten. Ihr ganzer Volkscharakter kommt einer defensiven Kriegführung sehr entgegen. Sie sind stumpf und von einer wilden Animalität. Gewöhnt an ein hartes und entbehrungsreiches Leben hängen sie gerade auch deshalb nicht allzu stark daran. Der Einzelmensch gilt im öffentlichen Denken kaum soviel wie etwa ein Fahrrad.'“Die sogenannte russische Seele,” Joseph Goebbels, 19. Juli 1942aus Das eherne Herz (München: Zentralverlag der NSDAP, 1943), pp. 398-405.https://archive.org/details/DasEherneHerz/
>>520348688Good b8
>>520347431>Lockheeb Saartin
>>520359144Those tank effective HEAT rounds are like 61lbs and not being carried by an fpv drone (which the more expensive models have about a 2lbs payload capacity).
>>520347431It's crazy what kind of criminal robbery the kike jewish rat scum get away with. However you anon better not speed because your late for work OR ELSE MOTHER FUCKER
>>520350223Glownigger confirmed
>>520348668>Drones will only be nullified with proper EW equipment and signal jammers.Until they become fully autonomous using AI.AI drones are so clearly the future of warfare I don't see the point of developing any other systems.
>>520359239I'm a White middle class American you dumb faggot, calling me Russia is a weak defense because you have nothing else to fall back on.What state do you even live in?
>>520358371Depending on the opposing projectiles, yes. Germany has the same kinds of add-on armor even for light vehicles. It's just an economy choice to not install it since they are a pain in the ass for regular maintenance which is ACTUALLY what is experienced daily with military vehicles instead of munitions that will make a crater of the entire tank and surroundings, not just penetrate armor.Think less of "will this enemy penetrate X amount of armor", and more of is this really needed for the vehicle and crew's survival with the threats we are facing NOW. In practice, not really. For the contractors who sell it, yes.
>>520359365I'm sure i've seen drones with rpg warheads
>>520346920Cope Plates
>ITT retards thinking drones are good vs modern MBTs>won't upload evidence of a manned fully operational MBT being 1 tapped by a drone (only old soviet shit)>wont explain why russians still need khornets and anti tank mines
>>520348688>You're retarded if you think an fpv could take out any heavy tank made in the last 40 years. You'd need a tandem warhead with some serious girth. >drone goes vzzzzz and hit your track with rpg round from any angle and now your heavy and expensive tank and its crew is sitting duck for all other drones that also going vzzzzz with strapped rpg roundsWithout anti-drone Sonic cage your tank will be finished with the first 1-3 drones.
>>520352540
>>520356678Russia and Ukraine both say that most kills are from drones followed by artillery and land mines, and small arms is like 10%. You are a literal retard
>>520359564Rpg HEAT round is about 10lbs, that's not getting loaded on an FPV drone.What you're probably seeing is a drone with an HE grenade (a little under one lbs) flying into the engine of a lightly/unarmored vehicle and are confusing that with a larger military drone (like a reaper) firing actual heavy ordinance at armored vehicles.
>>520359794Nope
Are drones really that effective? Brazilian gangs could barely do anything to the police even with the drones few days ago. They still got slaughtered. Were drones even used in any meaningful numbers in Gaza? And I doubt NATO (with USA) would have a lot of drone problems with Russia. The fact that NATO has overwhelmingly better navy and airforce, as well as superior ground equipment and training, I doubt Russians could do much with their drones. At least in no way comparable to current war. with 2 sides being comparable in strength. Where 1 side is barely making moves against the other, and just so it happens that we have drones. WW1 didn't have drones,, same with Iran-Iraq war, but changes on the battlefield were very minor with huge losses.
>>520346920Urinal armor. It's full of piss.
>>520359794I think you're thinking of human targets not MBTs.
>>520359647>wont explain why russians still need khornets and anti tank minesImplying that isn't old soviet shit as well. They use whatever they have left on hand which usually results in even the cheapest metal stamped rifles being shared.
>>520359493No they aren't jamming anymore they are moving into just mercking the internals with microwaves. The Leonidas hasn't been deployed but the government seemed pretty happy with the test. Surely it is scalable.
>>520359818
>>520359993He is saying overall not MBT. He responded “nope” to that post.
>>520359898Lmao yes
>>520359794I've heard from an American youtuber (former marine, fought in Syria, Iraq and Ukraine) that roughly 70% of all casualties involve drones. That includes suicide drones, drones that drop explosives as well as recon drones that were involved in the deaths of the enemy by guiding artillery, missile strikes, grunts on the ground etc.
>>520359909> Are drones really that effective?Yes> The fact that NATO has overwhelmingly better navy and airforce, as well as superior ground equipment and training, I doubt Russians could do much with their drones.Conventional air power is dead. Neither side is using it. They just get shot down by surface missiles now. You don’t seem to even know what’s going on the last 3 years
>>520360353I saw that guy’s videos the other day. He’s a fucking nut. He did say going forward the only way to counter these things is going to be figuring out how to shoot them down
>>520360140>heh>here is a $100k military drone that can do it>but it's still susceptible to jammersWell, that's not the temu drone I was talking about, but that's a massive waste.
>>520360239>no proof Nope
>>520360486THEY BOTH SAY IT
>>520346920Cope armor
>>520360370Russian aviation regularly does air to ground attacks, it's just that close air support is very rare. And none of the sides seem capable to strike deep and accurate enough to destroy AA equipment to have an air superiority. I might be wrong, but I doubt NATO would have issues with that.
>>520346920it's TUSK 2 ERA and it's not new
>>520346920Looks like reactive armor plating. It senses the projectile and explodes in order to deflect armor piercing projectiles.
>>520360452The Russians are moving heavily into optical drones. Ukraine isn't. Ukraine isn't having the trouble with jamming Russia is.
>>520346920tankbros, don't drones make your iron coffins obsolete? drones and long-range missiles are the future of warfare
>>520360543NO SOURCE BESIDES CLICK BAIT
>>520360452To be fair even the shahed drones russia uses is like $20k-40k and those things are fucking useless unless you're hitting some light vehicle or building with it. I think people just assume those drones are super cheap.
>>520360724Yes they are, that's why they are relegated to no mans land where jammers can't go due to giving off signals to enemy arty
>>520359718Why would Bond be playing as Tau?
>>520360842And this drone only expends it's payload meaning many missions.
>>520360449Luckily for the west, we are not officially in the war so we can comfortably find ways to counter drones, and make our own as well. We'll see how that plays out 1 or 2 years from now when EU countries will apparently have their own anti drone defense set up.
>>520360065They're trying all sorts of methods to down drones.But none seem particularly effective yet.And you still have to detect the drones first, which is a lot harder when it's not broadcasting any video feeds or dragging a fiber optic cable.AI drones will be able to fly to a (future) combat zone and sit there for weeks or months using solar panels to keep charged.When they hear a vehicle or person close by they fly up, analyze the vehicle/person and either attack or fly to a new resting location.It will all be over in seconds.
>>520360917yea i was pretty sure they drop their load but wasn't 100% sure since i haven't seen much of those heavy drones except when they drop anti tank mines on positions haven't seen one with an arty round on it.
>>520360933https://www.epirusinc.com/electronic-warfareThe US army would disagree
>>520358502You're talking to paid propagandist from the government or a Khokhol with a VPN
>>520360770Yeah but they are very profitable to sell, so the dronings will continue until stocks improve.
>>520360933And already exists... Unfortunately they just kill everyone they see so the only place it could be deployed was gazahttps://www.rafael.co.il/system/l-spike-1x/
>>520347440Looks like they are having a measuring contest.
>>520360846Kek you didn't even believe that drone existed until right now when I showed you. I'm certainly not going to let you tell me how it works. You actually are retarded. No more yous
>>520359818>Rpg HEAT round is about 10lbs, that's not getting loaded on an FPV drone.You're so out of touch with reality it's even kinda fascinating. Hopefully there's a lot like you in your army.
>>520361278That's just the first step and it will get a lot smarter.If a human can identify friend or foe then in principle an AI can be trained with the same ability.Plus they'll be able to navigate the battlefield and seek out good hiding spots.
>>520346920Anti piss armor. They are training on the top pic
>>520356010What a special little jew you have there. What is he? 5'11?"
>>520347431lol
>>520346920I have those same roof tiles on my house.
>>520361126>Wunderfaffe most wonderful.>t. seller of Wunderwaffe.
>>520347286Based retard.
>>520348688>>520357237low iq retards, even your tanks were blown up in ukraine by drones, there is no tank that will survive enough hits
>>520361601Oh for sure the problem is we currently pretend there has to be a human in the fire chain. A machine isn't supposed to decide when to kill because if it makes a mistake nobody is responsible. It doesn't matter though because the Jews don't care and once the eggs put of the shell you aren't putting it back in
>>520347286fpbp, golemuttoids mad
>>520347771Kinky!
>>520361760Ya you will never know until they are actually deployed.
>>520346920Isn't it obvious? They're urinals. We're planning a major offensive against India, and some sort of toilet is really the only thing that can scare them off.
>>520361601How could an AI distinguish friendly from foe? Weapons they carry, uniform? What would stop the enemy from using your own equipment until they arrive to the contact line? Wouldn't AI drones also require command and data centers which would require a lot of power? How far away could those centers be from the drone, and wouldn't they be vulnerable to enemy strikes?
>>520347286They're in the military. They're jerking off into the Abrams cum wells
>>520346920The Russian "Cope Cages" are an undeniably effective measure, and the Ukrainian insistance on not adopting it because it looks silly as fuck is leading to mass casualties because the Ukrainians are niggers choosing form over function.There are two kinds of Slav. The Engineer, who will resort to whatever method works, no matter how rough and dangerous. They have no care for making things pretty, just making them work.They embody the Slavic pessimism. Why try making it look pretty? It's a tank. It's going to war. It's going to die eventually, just like we all will. We're all gonna die. Who cares.And then there is the Braggart. They are the Slavs who need their shit gold-plated, whose entire lives are just gilded conspicuous consumption typically done with stolen funds. They're the ones who put fake badges on their car if they can't buy a real one, and those badges are gold (in colour not composition)They're every single posturing LINE IN THE SAND, every single Slavic Strongman. They're Putin's high heeled boots to try and hide his midget stature, they're Zelensky's insistance on designer "military clothing" while never going near the front lines.Meanwhile the USA has studied the Russian technique and has, through scientific endevour, created anti-drone measures that perform well, look respectable, and, above all, cost millions of dollars more than they should for further wealth-transfer.
>>520360914Because Britain is full of aliens.
>>520346920That shit is at least five years old.
>>520348688Bit hard to tell if this is bait or american
>>520362415Hyhyls put fucking Kontakt-1 on the turret cheeks of Leopard 2s and Abrams tanks.>the strongest part of the armor equivalent to about 900-1200mm RHA.In other words they're fucking clueless.
>>520362149>How could an AI distinguish friendly from foe?Any method humans can come up with, there is no difference that's my point.>Wouldn't AI drones also require command and data centers which would require a lot of power? How far away could those centers be from the droneOther side of the world.You can train the AI in California and deploy in Donbas.Note that once trained an AI model doesn't require much power to run, even quite sophisticated models can be run on smartphone level hardware.Live updates in the field should be possible if the signal isn't blocked and if it is blocked the drone could fly home once a week or so to get the latest updates.
>>520348688Nice bait but for the lurkers. No he is wrong all tanks can be fucked by drones. Tanks are good at the front not the rear or top. We would have to make a whole new tank that is armor. Sadly right now most military companies go all in offensive we hardly have defense or counter defense. Until then we are going to see a continuation of one shot kill weapons because of the lack of defense corps.
>>520362415The scientific endeavor in anti-drone measures in question is sending more pigs to the slaughter.
>>520347431>lockheeb storeI kneel
>>520347286>>520346920Interesting, it both vents explosions upwards and wastes penetrator ammo (anti tank ammo turns itself inside out on impact)
>>520363109I see. I suppose AI could also be utilized to identify drones as well, right? I know Netherlands, Lithuania and Croatia are really investing in drone and anti drone tech in NATO. I wonder what we'll come up with, I know few Croatian companies are already working with the Slovenes, Poles and Germans in developing and producing all kinds of equipment, some are already being showcased.
>>520363734I guess realistically you could just separate detection and attack. Shoot up an artillery shell only instead of petal mines it blankets the area in sensors. You get a hit and check if you have anything in the area... If not send it
>>520347431It's good the the GDP!
