For all the bullshit I have to put up with (retarded CAFE regs, ~$6,000/car in so-called safety nannies, recycling plastic bottles that still end up dumped in a landfill, paper straws, etc.) this kind of shit out to be illegal. Not only does it result in the entire car being totaled (hit a rock with your plastic oil pan sometime), it's also hugely wasteful.Every time someone with a ZF8 transmission gets a fluid change their entire plastic oilpan + old plastic filter gets thrown into the trash because it isn't reuseable, whereas the $100 aluminum ones are reuseable. The plastic shit isn't even cheaper! They're even making control arms out of plastic now, which are going to start killing people as they age and get brittle. Regulators in the EU and the US must be so corrupt to allow this to happen while turning the screw on anyone who tries to make a nice, simple, naturally aspirated V8 engine.
>>520490674I was going to fuck with you, but a naturally aspirated v8 is awesome. Fuck plastic oil pans.
>>520490674VW make golf fuel rails from plasticmums cracked one daywas pools of fuel in the engine baythen it took weeks to get the partcunts
>>520490674I think they use plastic because it's chemical and corrosion resistant no?
>>520490973Everyone gives me shit for driving an old, "unreliable" POS but it's better built than anything from at least the past 10 years. Appliance car culture is one of the most environmentally destructive things I can think of, and no one in government seems to want to push for better quality cars, more recyclable parts (cross-part sharing, etc.) And who the fuck thought it was a good idea to trade alternators and batteries for 0.1 extra mpg with auto-start/stop? I realize the regulators have made MPG targets so unreasonable that this became a thing, but all they'd have to do is add a: "if you DON'T have auto-start/stop in your car you get a 1 MPG bonus" clause and it would be dead overnight. Instead we have to keep dumping batteries in oceans.
>>520491263Like aluminum isn't? They use it because it's cheap. Same as how they use plastic coolant hoses and unnecessary connectors now (makes it cheaper to assemble; who cares if they burst 5 years later and total the engine due to overheating or a fire).
>>520491317>trade alternators and batterieskekher alternator also died in her 2017 golf a few months backit gave her no warningstopped in the middle of the road and was unmovablecouldn't even turn on the hazard lights
>>520490674Not an issue with a manual transmission. You can replace the $100 clutch disk on your drive. >>520491263They use plastic for planned obsolescence. Aluminium is extremely resistance to corrosion, if you treat it as well it will effectively last a life-time. The plastic parts they use last, at most, 5 years, or 6 months after the dealer warranty ends.
>>520491361>5 years laterYes because they expect you to get a new car after 5 years it seems
>>520490674Plastic oil pan can also get punctured easily by a rock compared to the aluminum oil pan
>>520490674imagine having a car less than 20 years old. dios mio.
>>520491317>with auto-start/stop?You want to disable stop-start in all vehicles. Like with all 'new technologies' its only purpose is planned obsolescence. The only time your engine gets wear is the small amount of time it takes your engine to build oil pressure on start up. Normally cars would only be cranked a few times a day. Now you can have cars cranking dozens of times in a few hundred yards. When the engine is off all the oil sets in the pan at the bottom (Yes some residual oil remains) and doesn't lubricate correctly/sufficiently. At our company we operate thousands of vehicles and plant. After A/B testing vehicles, we had increased main bearing wear and significant stretching of timing chains with all vehicles using stop-start. The other thing to note as well is how fast starter motors die with stop-start engines. You will never make the money back from saved fuel over how many starter motors you go through, this doesn't even take into account writing off the engine because the timing chain stretched and jumped a tooth(s).
>>520492081I turn it off in my car every time before I start driving. I know someone who likes the feature, theyre a libtard npc.
>>520492081timing belts should make a comeback. They have new materials now that allow timing belts to last longer than timing chains and have like zero stretching
>>520492307A properly designed timing chain will last 1 million km
>>520490973VW? Get ready for a plastic exhaust manifold
>>520490674leran the termp lanned obsolencelong story short why bother making it good when they can force you to pay moreall of this is on purpose of forcing you to constatnly pay without any insurance that you can just keep the machine running by your right to repair
>>520492445>A properly designed timing chain will last 1 million kmI completely agree but timing chains aren't properly designed any more. Its far better to have a belt, as you yourself can replace them on your drive and for cheap (OEM belt + idlers are under $100). If anything goes wrong with your timing chain you have effectively written off your vehicle.
>>520492606That's assuming the subhumans actually put the belt where it's supposed to be and not inside the crankcase bathed in engine oil like a chain so it can deteriorate and clog your oil passages
>>520492809The wet belt is peak planned obsolescence. That shit won't last even 40k miles before writing your car off.
>>520490674>plastic oilpanis this a real thing?>They're even making control arms out of plastic nowis this real?how can it bypass safety shit?
>>520490674>Plastic control armsThis topic actually has some more nuance than first glance. The argument is that plastic control arms get brittle and fail earlier than aluninum ones, which is true. However, the point of failure that would still occur far more often would be failure of the ball joint. My old shitbox 2000 civic had the same size ball joint as the 2018 accord I recently bought, despite the accord weighing 50% more. Surprise surprise, at 60k miles I've already done a front end reno on the accord because the ball joints were starting to creak. Worth it to get new bushings too.There's a convergence occurring of shittier and shittier roads, and cost-optimized suspension components, even outside of plastic ones
>>520494667>oil panYeah it's real, only on 2-piece oil pans though. Usually the pladtic is a flat piece with fins>control armsThis is real too, I've only seen it used on Ram 1500's on front upper control arms, which are more like alignment linkages than load bearing ones. Still not a good look. Are there any other cars which use plastic arms?
I daily drive an imported rust free '99 JDM Toyota. Fuck new cars. They're literally all trash.
>>520490674>The plastic shit isn't even cheaper!Yes it is. Not for the buyer, but it's much cheaper to make. These are much greener, as in manufacturers (/distributors/dealers/wholesalers) see a lot more green.
>>520490674>disposable plastic oil panthe fuck
>>520490674Dad offered me to have his brand new ford POS and I said NO. I'll keep my 1990's trucks. Fuck this new shit with a crowbar
bumpnot car related but i feel that some durable items need to be made by yourselfI had to make a custom mini notebook for myselfYou could make a comaprison to buzfeed. Buzzfeed made newsslop to fund quality investigative journalism (buzzfeed news). Eventually these two operations got cleaved leaving the good part to starve.Perhaps massive marketplaces have had a similar effect where the mindless majority, who used to subsidise quality products can now bypass that and go straight for the cheapest trashiest option. I.e. the lowest denominator (slop) got extracted out of the quality product enterprise, creating a new enterprise that is more profitable and captures the market, leaving quality to starve.A failure of free markets, stemming from customer ignorance, perhaps? Or maybe the difficulty of judging product quality? Paradoxical to imagine that in giving the customer more choice, product quality went down. Or maybe it's nohing to do with massive marketplaces and instead it's executives of mature industries trying to replicate the growth that previously occurred organically via market growth, technological advancements, and expanding to international marketscBut I suppose unsubstantiated, unfalsifiable, amateurish speculation is useless.
>>520490674You faggots are all talking like you're even going to own cars in a decade. You won't. Sure, you'll have the option, but insurance for human-piloted vehicles will be sky-high (and human-pilot accessible gasoline stations will be rarer and rarer) . While the cost of an annual subscription for an always-on-demand automated electric vehicle will be less than $5K /year, with no requirements for fuel, maintenance, insurance, or parking costs.You'll be washed out of private car ownership because the economics will so strongly be weighted toward owning nothing and living it.
>>520499357People already lease cars and have for a while. Dont see how this on demand service could accommodate spikes in demand. The same car would be getting used by multiple time. Everyone couldn't request a car at the same time and get a car
>>520492307Or just use timing gears. Dodge was the last one to let that slip through with the 6bt cummins. Those timing gears last the life of the block. The reality is that indusrial motors (and vehicles) are full of proven technology that could have all cars on the road lasting the life of their owners with a basic maintenance schedule, but planned obsolescence wins out.
>>520499614The duty cycle of an American car is 5%. Car subscriptions would need inventory to be able to handle commute hour surges, but that would still be 30% of the current car fleet.
>>520499357kekLove my old vehicles I work on myself. Have 3 trucks, all 4x4's liability insirance is 570 a year for all 3. I'm the only driver. If one totaled, I get another super cheap, and fix it up to my liking and keep driving. I always have 2 spares in the meantime.
>>520490674You can blame alot of it on pedestrians. Studies found that when pedestrians get hit by cars head on, its not the initial impact that kills them, its hitting their head on the metal engine parts becayse they get hit and swing down on the hood like a pendulum. Thus safety standards now mandate minimum clearances between the hood and highest of the engine that's solid metal. So now we see alot of plastic intake manifolds, and higher hood lines to prevent this. Now only is this not aerodynamic its ugly. The alternative is putting explosive devices in the hood hinges that raise the hood up higher than normal in the event of a pedestrian collision
>>520490674>plastic car partsok
>>520491317>>520491434>>520492081If you can't disable three automatic start/stop feature in your car, find the voltage monitoring sensor for your car, usually directly on the battery main lead clamp, or somewhere close and disconnect it. If the ECM can't get a reading from the voltage sensor it will disable the auto start/stop to prevent draining the battery
>>520490674>whereas the $100 aluminum ones are reuseable.they're trash too and crack like plastic
>>520491464My car is 25 years old. There' no speck of rust on the oil pan. Oil pan should be made out of steel
>>520498730It all just comes back to currency debasement.To the devaluation of the USD.Everyone is poorer. Any useful item or raw material is vastly more expensive in real terms.There is no business more affected by this than auto manufacturers.The mechanical processes that make a car go, stop, and operate safely were perfected by the mid- to late-90's.Not vastly improved. Not partially-optimized with room for improvement. They operated as reliably and fuel-efficiently as anyone would ever care about, especially from a cost-efficiency standpoint.Honda and Toyota drivetrains from the late 90s and early 00s demarked the apex of product quality; they would routinely run 250-300k miles with ordinary maintenance. That's 20-25 years for the median driver.For the manufacturer, trying to engineer any better performance or reliability out of these machines would be a money-losing proposition. The problem that they quickly discovered is that there's no money in making cars that last 2 decades.So manufacturers took the only out they had, and literally, unironically cartelized and agreed to start integrating junky, overly-complex garbage into their vehicles, using regulatory capture to block any emerging competition that would make cars that were more durable and more easily-maintained.In the end, once they maxed out their ability to add value, these companies fell back on fucking their customers.I can go into specifics, but only if you the reader are interested.
>>520501363car chad here, this anon is right. aluminum doesn't corrode but if you hit something it breaks. steel deforms. dented oil pan = fine. hole in oil pan = new engine, maybe even new car. aluminum pans are only for race applications where you know 100% the conditions of the track will not interfere with your pan. plastic is just a joke.
>>520490674But anon, retards will still buy this garbage... retards dont care if their anus is filled with plasticaca. Just let the retards buy what ever dumb shit they want and dont kill your self worrying over it: The smart ones will find a way out of globohomoshit.
>>520502098Is the aluminum oil pan better than a plastic oil pan?
The reality is most corporations can't engineer a vehicle anymore. It's all legacy parts someone else designed and engineered. Or it's all computers. The DoT and other regulatory entities are incompetent. Companies aren't required to submit say 100 cars for crash testing, they rely on the Corp to self report issues, we all know corporations would never lie and keep the best interests of the customers in mind.
>>520501758This seems on point. Isn't Ferrari's market cap way bigger than Ford's despite selling a fraction of the vehicle's Ford does? I know that most auto makers have terrible margin on sales. Financing and repair is where they make their money.
>>520502296They're engineered meticulously when it comes to planned obsolescence. In other areas, they simply eschew - rather than fail to achieve - engineering because more failures = more repairs = more profit.
>>520490674You can get an aluminum one, stop crying and man up
>>520490674I'll be honest nip bro, the plastic pieces suck but they're a nessecary evil. Now please tell your mitsubishi masters to make a 5g eclipse. And kill whoever decided to make the line of SUV eclipses.
>>520492207You can get a cheap module for most vehicles to disable the automatic engine shutoff at stops.I looked into it after a relative was in a bad accident a couple years ago when the auto-start lunged the car forward at an intersection.The industry will never admit to any of their boneheaded safety features or fuel-mileage cheats making the vehicles more aggravating and less safe.
>>520502573This. Get an after market one. Do you have a plastic skid plate? All of this can be remedied by buying a 15 year old used vehicle that’s in good condition and that you can work on. But as always OP is a colossal faggot. He's posting from the land of reliable cars and complaining.
>>520491263They use plastic because they want it to break sooner so you have to buy another one sooner.
>>520502604>stop making a car that sells and replace it with a car that doesnt sell
>>520501229The ECU usually regulates alternator output nowadays, you'd probably end up with a bunch of hair in the logic. Just get a tuner and disable it
>>520502760>after a relative was in a bad accident a couple years ago when the auto-start lunged the car forward at an intersectionSorry to hear that. It is a dangerous feature. I like the AVH feature.
>>520502449Why attribute intelligence where there is none. You talk about planned obsolescence but it's anything but planned. The older engineers might have the ability but the younger ones coming into the business have no chance. It's just shit design, shit decisions and lack of production best practices. Occam's razor pure and simple. The industry seen what saic and Tesla were getting away with in the automotive world then everyone joined the race to the bottom. COVID era til now only accelerated the problem because the regulatory bodies turned a blind eye on most corruption.
Speaking of car parts; Are Advace Auto Part DieHard batteries good still? I'll probably be needing to replace my 4 year old OEM one and my dealer wants to charge $100 just to change the battery out for some retarded reason.
>>520501758Yes i am interested in learning more. Also what are your thoughts on any ways around the regulatory capture? Such as using old frames but new parts and selling those as basically (but not literally) new cars
>>520502098You're still thinking of a 1-piece pan, the real problem is 2-piece pans which is basically the block sticking super low. If you get a hit like that the block would be a write-off anyway.
>>520503003>You talk about planned obsolescence but it's anything but planned.Yes it is. They have to carefully make sure everything fails just outside warranty. Otherwise it's a loss instead of a gain.
>>520491582>(hit a rock with your plastic oil pan sometime)Yeah, OP already said that
>>520503071Get a costco one and (obviously) change it yourself, the coscto warranty is like 5 years and they don't care what it looks like if you warranty it, you could show up with a 4" hole in the side and they'll still just give you a new one
>>520490674>plastic control arms@Gork, is dis true?
>>520502129I see an ever-increasing number of young guys driving restored 1970s-2000s vehicles.Waiting for the government to start committing acts of financial terrorism against them at the industry's behest.e.g.: Making insurance for older vehicles skyrocket or imposing ridiculous registration fees under the guise of environmental protection.
>>520502760You can also open the hood, start the car, and close the hood to keep it disabled until the engine is turned off again. It's a bypass that exists so that mechanics can work on the car in situations where it can't be constantly turning off. Obviously it's inconvenient but it is a cheap workaround.
>>520491317>And who the fuck thought it was a good idea to trade alternators and batteries for 0.1 extra mpg with auto-start/stop?Nobody who has ever driven an unreliable car that chokes out at idle. Also fuck backup cameras conditioning people not to turn their heads and check the blind spots. Hey gearheads, isn’t this on/off cycle going to put unnecissary wear and tear on the systems or is it negligible?
>>520503262Here's an upper control arm from a ram 1500, it looks like teslas use them too. Big surprise
>>520503347It's technically negligible for smaller displacement engines, but there's also no benefit on those same engines so it's a non-starter (pun intended)
>>520492307Ford's attempt to do lifetime timing belts is a disaster though. In Ford three cylinder engines the teeth of the belt are shredded and chunks of rubber plug the oil pump pick up causing the engine to seize from oil starvation.
>>520502384That may be the case, but Ferrari is pretty much irrelevant to this conversation.Ferrari falls under the umbrella of "luxury goods manufacturers".Regardless of what they sell, from fashion to jewelry to sports cars, these companies all behave the same way.Luxury goods manufacturers operate based on prestige and their products are not used to achieve a utilitarian function, only to display wealth and resource abundance to others.When you a buy a Ferrari, they know it's because you start out preferring Ferrari to other brands. They are not competing for your business with other companies; you are competing for what they make with others who want it.They have rules for ownership:>Must buy through X, Y, or Z dealers.>Must own a certain number of undesirable models before you can be on the list for the higher-value ones.>May not resell car before certain date after purchase.>Must resell the car to Ferrari dealer so that they can capture the spread on retail.>May not modify bodywork or color outside of approved guidelines (or potentially face lawsuit)The group of companies that behave most similarly are watchmakers. Impossible to deal with for any reason other than buying more of their products.Luxury goods in the modern western world manufacture anti-goods.The only reason to own what they make is to gaudily display that you have money to others.Astronomical levels of cringe.
>>520503120They just don't design like that. It's literally just cheap parts and outsourced design for the sake of being cheap. Does it equate your car failing sooner, sure. Is it built into the design and validation process absolutely not. It's why the auto corps stopped doing validation testing on physical pre production units. TO BE CHEAP. Everything else is just a bonus. Besides most oem make very little on the repair side of the business. The only reason they even make extra parts for repair is gov mandate and to secure the contract with the 2nd tier supplier to actually build at scale, again to get better pricing.
>>520499834I'm fine with belts for the budget end of the market, especially with non interference engines (which of course we can't have because muh cafe standards). You just change them on time and they're mechancially sufficient. Now we have the worst of both worlds, chains that wear out even faster than belts do. All the cost and difficulty of opening the timing case combined with the frequency of belt replacements. Not to mention the higher cost of parts.
>>520499834Gears would bother the customer's ears though because after the insanity of CAFE regulations the next craziest thing is NVH. Moving things will vibrate. Maybe the fucking customer should deal with a little quiver in their 75 dollar frape mocha latte and have the engine no assplode because the IMS bearing failed or some other horseshit unnecessary tech fix.
>>520490674>> entire plastic oilpan + old plastic filter gets thrown into the trash because it isn't reuseableNot saying I want a plastic oil pan, but why would a plastic oil pan need to be thrown away just because it's unbolted? As long as the bolts aren't overtightened and a new gasket is being used, you should be able to reuse it fine. From what I've seen of plastic covers, they often have steel dowel inserts for the bolts to clamp against to prevent overtightening distortion of the plastic anyway...
>>520502943Fuck you, you're wrong. Every generation of eclipse (except the third one which sucked) has a fucking cult following. Bring it back or I'm going to Nissan.
>>520500905Well now they just get hit head on by a brick wall. Instead of bumping your head or breaking a leg you’re splattered like a deer getting hit by a semi.
>>520503003>>520503530We can't even have a conversation about cars without 1pbtid shills shilling for corporations.> They just don't design like that.Yes they do you fucking nigger. It's called PLANNED obsolescence not accidental obsolescence.
>>520503635The whole fucking thing is probably torque to yield
>>520501229Disconnecting that might cause the car to think the battery is completely dead and throw everything it can at it, overcharging the battery and possibly sending a spike through the charging system, taking out sensors and computers and other shit.
>>520503635They warp with heat cycles because it's fucking plastic. Then it won't go back on.
>>520503524>Ferrari falls under the umbrella of "luxury goods manufacturers".That's my point though - a company that sells a handful of luxury cars is worth more than the entirety of Ford, which churns cars out.
>>520490674>hit a rock with your plastic oil pan sometime>result in the entire car being totaledI'm sorry, what?
>>520503739I think what he means is that the cars are just shit right out of the factory even before the warranty's up, my parents have a '24 jeep and it's already had like 4 warranty claims for random bullshit. One of my coworkers has a pathfinder that's on its 4th transmission under warranty, I have no idea how he's going to sell that thing
>>520503359what a crock of shit, retesla faggots and ramituptheirass fags deserve it... hope (((they))) use these on hyundais, kias and altimas lel
>>520501758I am interested.
>>520502943No one wants boring cars except women and cucks.
>>520503647>cult followingblame that cult for the demise of the eclipsethey didnt buy enough of them
>>520503883Yes, retardation is real. But they TRY not to do this because in-warranty failures cost them. Recalls are even worse. They want them to last JUST LONG ENOUGH to be out of warranty. That takes engineering.
>>520503635I’d be more worried about the plastic going through a ton of heat cycles. If you’ve dealt with enough plastics in cars the you know it gets all crumbly after a while. Just a stamped steel pan is the way to go. Stop integrating oil passages and filters into the pan.
>>520496032Those are polymer encased steel to help with corrosion. Oil pans as well iirc. Plastic may get brittle but the type they are using should be fine for a while. Before anyone screams about muh reliability if you are denting in your metal pans you probably need to replace it anyway cause cracks and pickup tube construction might be compromised.
>>520503635Often the filter IS the pan.
>>520492307They're making a comeback for sure. They're running oil pumps in diesel engines, bathed in hot oil. Literal time bomb. Engineers that made a diesel engine less reliable in this sense than a gasoline engine need to be publicly set ablaze.
>>520492307I drive a 2001 that uses a timing belt, the belts are probably going to be the next thing I work on. I've already replaced the whole suspension to get it driving and handling good, done a lot of work on it but the belt tensioners are worn and need replacing
>>520503839Proper plastics should not be deforming from engine oil temps.
>>520504040Shit they used to be better about it where you had a 100k warranty and things would hold to 100k. Now they can’t even make a car last half the warranty period.There are no real auto engineers designing cars anymore and it’s pretty obvious when things started going plastic. Toyota is one of the few that still sorta give a shit.
>>520504040Dude there are at most 2 manufacturers that even do that right (toyota, honda, maybe even mitsubishi), every other manufacturer has massive issues:>Ford: 10 speeds, wet belts>Chevy: the same 10 speeds, main bearings>Dodge: stellantis>Hyundai/kia: GDI carbon/lunched bearings>Nissan: everything>VW/audi: cam followers and electronics>BMW: plastic water pumps and electronics>Mercedes: almost as bad as nissanThese all happen under warranty and some of it has recalls, but most of it somehow avoids being recalled
>>520503447Every battery has a finite number of charge/discharge cycles. Every time it has to restart the engine is a discharge. Same with every starter. Batteries being so shitty these days just makes it worse. I just wish there was away to turn this feature off permanently.
>>520490674well there's an aluminium oil pan on my hondah, maybe stop buying kikey brandsalso I'll pretend you're a jap and not a vpn fag and say you should stop fucking around and give us a turbo GR86
>>520504009:( I've bought 4.. and even bought a fucking engine with 60,000 miles on it for a swap because my timing belt broke and pulverized the valves. It's a great car otherwise, even 18 years later (2007) but interference engines do not fuck around. Newer cars are too jewish 4 me.Maybe you're right. I'm gonna be a dad soon so fuck it, maybe I'll get an suv or a truck.
>>520502995Thanks.She was mostly okay.The driver who hit her lost control and they didn't fare so well.>I like the AVH feature.Funny you mention that.It was a newer Subaru.I would have thought it was mostly her fault but I had the same lunging/creeping thing happen at stops in that vehicle.
>>520496032nissan started doing plastic parts. Remember a while back they started to get nooticed. mid 2000s toyota club forever. ALWAYS buy mid 2000s cars.
>>520490674Just a buy a Lada
>>520503841Ford is about 4x more profitable, despite Ferrari having a larger market cap.My point is that it's just not appropriate to make a comparison between a true auto mfg, which basically serves a utility function with consumers and business concerns, and an mfg of luxury goods, which do basically nothing to drive economic growth and are a lagging and imperfect indicator of it.Luxury goods companies really only exist because of two categories of people1. Women who are mostly spending someone else's money2. Men of Arab and middle eastern descent who view wealth as little more than a means to show other people how wealthy you areWithout these two groups, Bernard Arnault (LVMH) wouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 of the Forbes list.
>>520504543The plastic part thing with Nissan is technically irrelevant because the CVT will detonate far before the plastic begins to degrade>mid-2000's carI do agree, but there are some cars that ran up until a few years ago which have most of the simplicity. V6 accords, V6 camrys or Mazda's cars all had real torque converter automatics and not much tech. If you live in an area that gets salt in the winter the work needed to keep rust off starts exceeding the extra work from some complexity
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>>520491582More like bitches absentmindedly slamming into parking blocks blowing a hole into their pan and have all the oil drain out then they get back into their car and grenade the engine because they ignored all the warning lights.
I bought my jeep because it looked rugged and i like to go into the mountains with it.so i put it on turo and the bastard who rented it had their kid in the back and they kicked the seat so hard the tiny little return mechanism popped out. little $12 piece of plastic and without it you cant return the seats upright meaning you cant drive the fucking car. other than that, it's been a decent car. i take it into the hills and go 4x4ing and the rubicon package makes it strong enough to pull my 20ft fishing boat. >inb4 jeeps are gay>laughs in 16ft turning radius
>>520490674today OP was NOT a faggotbump!>>520502870>by buying a 15 year old used>Get an after market oneyou are correct, but it cannot go on forever
>>520504680jesus christdon't!!!tell me this is bait
>>520503871get a crack in the oil pan, engine loses oil pressureengine seizescars fuckednot complicated
>>520503319>You can also open the hood, start the car, and close the hood to keep it disabled until the engine is turned off again.There was some way to temporarily disable it hidden a few levels down in the menu but I didn't drive the car often enough to learn it.A friend had a newer Ford where it could be disabled by pushing a single button. That was preferable.It sucks having to go out of your way to undo what the manufacturer did every time you start a vehicle.We're in a rural-suburban area with basically zero "stop and go" traffic like you encounter during a city rush hour, so the auto engine stop offers no benefits.Only unnecessary wear and the aforementioned danger.The "passing vehicle" and "crossing lanes" alerts were constantly going off in inappropriate instances too.Don't get me started on the LED headlamps that follow the steering wheel.A dumb gimmick.She was relieved to replace that vehicle with a mid-2010s model after the wreck.
>>520490674>making control arms out of plastic nowI've not seen these but believe it. I really hate the iPhone touchscreen in modern cars. Unresponsive, slow to boot and when it goes then so does half the car's functionally.
>>520506039Those things make aftermarket car audio a nightmare. Standard audio in cars is abysmal, even premium sound is still bottom barrel trash.
>>520505886>>520505446Chicks are retarded especially about car stuff so I have no doubt this is the #1 reason engines need to be replaced. Just last week my neighbor's sister drove her car despite explicit instructions not to drive it until it gets repaired because it has a major coolant leak. Dumb bitch overheated the engine and of course they never look at temp gauges or warning lights
cars are gay as fuck unless you need the extra space and seats or you have an actual sports car. Motorcycles are better in every single way for a single man.
>>520504531>SubaruSounds like the car kept her safe at least >same lunging/creeping thing happen at stops in that vehicleThe auto start stop is dangerous. My car has one, I turn it off. I forgot one time and it sort of lunged from the stop. Really dangerous. I like the AVH, convenient when im waiting for a light in traffic
>>520505614>Everything after this was a mistakeYesBut why settle with intuitive and simple?
>>520490674Over half of new car purchases are made by women and I'm guessing over half of the remainder are made by brown bug people. All they care about is how they are perceived in their new car so they deserve self-destructing engines and broken control arms. I wish it would happen more.The newest vehicle I have ever owned was built in 2004.
>>520506039Agreed.Lovely that they put touchscreens in work trucks now.There's absolutely no way to escape unwanted extraneous garbage except buying used.
>>520505454Enjoy the pentastar rocker failure
>>520506271Not a bad quattro ad desu
>>520506424>Motorcycles are better in every single way for a single man.I wouldn't even need to look at your flag to know you live in a warm, dry, climate.
>>520507163Why wouldn’t they? They generally work pretty well and are cheap modularity for cameras etc.
>>520506694>Sounds like the car kept her safe at leastNo complaints there.She would have been really fucked up from the accident if it wasn't for the side curtain airbags.
>>520506424Yeah but owning a car, truck and a motorcycle is the trifecta. Own a 2005 Honda Civic 160k miles, 2005 Harley Davidson Sportster 1200 Custom Low 15k miles and a 2003 Chevy S10 4x4 ZR5 95k miles. The car and the cruiser are daily drivers, the truck is weekend / outdoors vehicle. I cruise the motorcycle from time to time and my GF is getting her license this month>>520507341Socal fag, can confirm. Even with the beautiful weather I still switch to the cruiser in the warm seasons and the honda in the cool ones (I dont say cold because what we have isnt no where near as cold)
>>520503359According to auto industry shills this is a "hybrid composite". But the only fucking metal I see is the bushing sleeves.
>>520502226only cases i can think of where a plastic pan would be preferred to an aluminum pan would be weight savings and manufacturing costs.
>>520507509>Why wouldn’t they?Gloved hands.Dirt and grime.Cold and wet conditions.Drive mode options being poorly accessible under layers of menusLight duty screens taking heavy-duty abuse
>>520503524>>520504815Why isn't anyone responding to my posts?They are very good.
>>520508102What the fuck are you talking about? The hell are you doing to screens in your free time that would cause issues.
I said they are very good.
>>520507948Maybe there's some 1/16" stamped steel hidden inside all that plastic to support the weight of your truck as it smacks against speed bumps and potholes KEK
>>520502226yes, but it's not great option either. Unless it's shielded from rocks. I still woulnd't take the care off road with aluminum oil pan, even with underbody covermy pops likes fishing. Mofo (well, literal, eh) cracked three oil pans in one year. Fortunately he noticed the leak every time, cause otherwise it would be engine killed.
>>520490674Go kill
After 2019 Toyota Tundra and Tacoma with tow packages stopped including a dedicated transmission and oil cooler, users have reported their transmissions getting up to 250°F kek! Additionally only four or six cylinders are offered in turbo formats for the new versions of these trucks. Also they have spring rear suspension, not leafed set ups, kek!
>>520490674Im selling my subaru before i pay more bullshit money for part fuckupsAlso remove andDestroy all tire dust shields.They do nothing
>>520508118I agree browns and women prop up luxury car companies
>>520508993Not just luxury car companies, luxury goods in general.I don't know any white anglo-saxon protestant or catholic men who obsess over having vast collections of watches so that people will ooh and ahh over their wrists any time the go out in public.
>>520490674>They're even making control arms out of plastic now, which are going to start killing people as they age and get brittlenot if they use the right plastic. not all plastics are the same, some of them are straight out of futuristic alien science fictionbut we both know the bean counters and penny pinchers wouldnt use the right plastic
>>520508230>Reading comprehension issuesI said touchscreens suck in work trucks
>>520509122And that’s an opinion cause they are fine for most?
>>520508230>>520509122Moot.Digital screens are totally unnecessary in vehicles.You have a digital screen with data connectivity and voice activation in your pocket.The only reason you would care to have a touchscreen in your dash that costs you $500 to fix at a dealership every time it breaks is that you're a wannabe fancy-pants faggot with a desperate need to show off to others.
>>520508924What year and model do you have? >>520508648Yeah definitely not okay for off road. Need a skid plate
>>520506271Kek do you have more videos like this?
>>520508745The 4 cylinder tacoma and 6 cylinder tacoma and tundra is ridiculous. Totally unnecessary
>>520508745>towing package>no oil coolersLmao. Shit will explode in Arizona.
>>520490674>shade tree mechanic for fun, family, and friends>seen plenty of dented but still in-tact oil pans with in-tact oil pickup inlet car runs fine.I can’t imagine what the road debris that does this regularly to steel and aluminum oil pans would do to a plastic one.>near immediate oil pressure to zero and a damaged valve train or spun main or big-end bearings. Leading to engine failure and a big replacement billYeah. It’s bullshit to eek out $50 of margin per unit.
>>520509485Reliability ratings pre 2020 or something to the effect of a 94% chance for these vehicles to make 200,000 miles which is now been reduced to about 83%, post Covid supply chain switch up. This comes in much better than Chevy or Ford, which are under 50% chance to make it to 200,000 miles. 2018 - 2019 and previous are the best Tacoma’s and Tundras. Most people are hesitant because they don’t have CarPlay, but you can simply put a new head unit on it for like 500 bucks. People are fucking retarded.
>>520509676People are freaking out about it. I’m sure that people in certain extreme areas or have to large grade pills are adding aftermarket coolers. But yeah, what a fucking joke.
>>520509744Oil pan is literally made of oil now, lol.
>>520509977lol
>>520509778*6 cylinder TundraI dont understand why they changed the engines. The older ones were fine.
>>520510083Government regulation and coaxing would be my guess
>>520509299Touchscreens are inferior to tactile controls (control panels) for speed and accessibility.They've done studies on this.Not a big deal in a passenger vehicle though.My opinion is based on dealing with using foggy, scratched up, and smashed touchscreens in work trucks, having to constantly de-glove to use them, and dealing with the humidity being so high that the moisture on my fingers renders them practically useless or the cold caused them to lag horribly.
>>520510083The older engines were better. The cars are literally overheating now and can’t tow or pull what they used to. They’ve lost reliability ratings as well. I would never buy a gen4 for Tacoma or Tundra. It’s funny to see all the influencers on YouTube trying to push these crappy generations. What a joke.
>>520509378>Digital screens are totally unnecessary in vehicles.Agreed.I didn't care much until manufacturers started making essential functions only accessible through the touchscreens.
>>520510158Don’t break the screens retard, I know it’s hard to not be an idiot but we have at least try.
>>520491464LANDROVERS WERE ORIGINALLY ALL ALUMINIUM, MADE POST WWII FROM ALLOYED USED IN SPITFIRES AND LANCASTERS BUT LASTED TOO LONG.Most of the original ones are still around on farms. They never wear out.>LANDROVER SOLD TOO FEW AS BUYING ONE MEANT YOU NEVER NEEDED ANOTHERThat's 'not good for business', as the jews say.
>>520510083toyota has had v6 in the prius forever but it stinks off the line because its got all the fuel efficiency tricks for power deliverythe v6 tacoma is toyota saying "what if the prius just had a clutch"so the v6 tacoma is the prius performance package trim
>>520491582I must have missed something living outside the civilised world. Your pol pans are plastic? Why? Why cant you put it back in after changing oil?
>>520490674sup /o/?
>>520510324Hey retard, Occam's razor is the highest law of engineering.You accomplish the task by the simplest, most durable, and most cost-effective solution possible.There are no exceptions.You're wrong. Now stop talking.
>>520510324Touch screens just suck to use, even if they aren't broken. There's nothing like good old fashioned buttons so you don't have to shift your gaze off the road to make sure you're pressing the right icons on the stupid goyscreen which mis-clicks if your finger is 1mm off. Fuck these smudgy pieces of shit
>>520510357To be fair, the chassis of almost any modern vehicle never "wears out".It's the drivetrain that's the important part.
>>520510357Interesting. 1980s Toyotas and 1990 GMs are peak automobile.
>>520492809>>520493085I heard gemans started to put one of the belts right inside the oil in the engine and insist it improves longevity. This schizo bipolarity smells of women
>>520510475Stop smashing hammers in the screen Pablo I know they have moving pictures but still.
>>520490674Yeah, everything is gay and sucks.
>>520490674https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0USimple as
>>5205103723.5L V6 Tacoma 4x4 6400 pounds. That’s not bad. Obviously you have to add a break controller, and make sure you have the tow package maybe out a second transmission cooler and your off and racing. The shorter wheelbase 5 foot bed can safely tow it 24 1/2 foot trailer.Don’t expect to go over 50 miles an hour up aggressive grades, but who cares. Only fucking retards drive fast up steep grades towing heavy trailers.
>>5204906745.7 hemi owner hereI have nothing to addTake my (you)
>>520510324You're an insufferable cunt and probably a literal woman or fag who has never used a work truck for performing work.
>>520510509You get used to it and CarPlay is pretty nice for navigating. Much preferred over having my phone shaking around on a mount and slightly overheating in the sun.
>>520491361>>520491464Aluminum and steel don't mix. It corrodes like a motherfucker. It bubbles and warps
>>520510720Do it all the time and drive all around this beautiful country.
>>520490674sorry for the bombsyou're absolutely correct and we've made so many mistakes since thenthe ((((regulators in the EU and the US)))) won WWII
>>520510181>>520510372But why change the v4 to v6? Seems like there's an added cost of the new design instead of keeping the old design
>>520511173*change the v6 to a v4
>>520511173They remove the V6 option completely. You can only get the turbo four banger now that puts more stress on the truck and tows like crap. No leaf suspension in the rear, no transmission cooler or oil cooler with the towing package. What a fucking joke.
>>520511173>WEF cateringI guess to save money and somehow comply with federal regulations for better efficiencies.
>>520510181Is picrel a good car?
>>520491263it's for weight savings and less wasted cast aluminum parts. aluminum is harder to cast.
>>520511459I don’t know. Why don’t you tell me more about it?
>>520511459I think the four runners have a slightly bigger V6 engine, however, they tow 5000 pounds which is less than a typical Tacoma with the smaller V6. I don’t really know anything outside of that.
>>520511607It's a 4Runner. Seemed like you knew something about Toyota models/generations MY BAD
>>520510845Hauling air doesn't count.
>>520511688Thank you
>>520511730>what are the specs?Just ask AI to look at consumer reporting for best years pre-2020. That’s a good starting place. Make sure you check the VIN on Toyota’s website so you’re not buying something. That’s branded TRD that’s not.
>>520511757Air? If I’m driving I’m moving something
>>520490674>are going to start killing people as they age and get brittle.That sounds dangerous. Car owners should be mandated to change their cars every two years. Driving around in a private automobile is a privilege not a right you know
>>520490674This thread is extremely antisemitic.
>>520490674>They're even making control arms out of plastic nowwow that is insane
>>520511459they come at a premium (even used) of a few thousand. that few thousand would fix any regular car one or two times in the meantime. idk if they're worth it. and they drive like a car from 1995. i would go mazda cx5 but i own a bmw x3 cuz i got money to blow (in my mind)
ALL VEHICLES ARE THROW AWAY NOW.
>>520490674>>520490869>>520490973>>520491263they probably ran out of alumiumlook at the map, in all those blue countries recycling alumium is MANDATORYin Civ 5 BNW recycling centers gave you +2 alumium which is basically x2-x4 times you actually get "from nature"
What pisses me off is every new car interior is copying the tesla all screen dashboard. I've got 2 lexuses from 2021 and 2020 and they have normal dashboards with physical buttons and nav screen. Whenever i get maintence done i fucking HATE using the newer model loaners cuz of the dash, it seems dangerous to me, at least with physical buttons for climate control, audi was the only one i saw with actual buttons at least still. Also they stopped making V6's for the RX series, my model is the last gen to have it. Its all 2.4L turbo or hybrids now
>>520504378>main bearingshad a friend that happened to on some wildly expensive truck. fucking unreal
>>520511459I have a gen 5 limited. It's a gas guzzler and the electronics are rudimentary. No other downsides, it's the prosumer grade meta choice.
>>520511905>That sounds dangerous. Car owners should be mandated to change their cars every two years. Driving around in a private automobile is a privilege not a right you knowalso mandatory service visits every 2 weeks so they can check if they aren't cracked and ask about how you are feelingotherwise, at the third week, they just disable your car from distance... can't be too safe!
>>520512206I hate the big screen with buttons removed. A screen for navigation is fine, but also have physical buttons for AC, heated seats, etc. Putting everything in the screen, I dont like it. Or the digital gauge cluster.
>>520510845man I miss Appalachia.
>>520512137Lol
>>520512206they actually measured it and on average it takes 10 seconds to fully set up air conditioning and ventilation if you have the switches and stuff... without taking your eyes from the road more than 2-3 seconds at the end, to confirm visuallyon a screen it took an average of 40 seconds, almost all of it spent looking away from the roadit's simply insanity
>>520490674all the plastic shit covering the engine too, whenevber my dad needs to work on the car he always breaks atleast one thing under there
>there are anons in this thread defending screenswhoa
>>520512009If you think that's crazy, there are companies making wheels and even entire car frames out of plastic.Naturally, you have an issue with plastic oil pans and control arms then you should also have an issue with this.
>>520512812
Itt: a bunch of automotive tourists not in the business
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>>520512957>leather belts holding the hood closedOooh, that thing is slick.
>>520513023>the businesssounds a little bit gay, don't you think?>are you saying you're not gay? I though I had this was of USAID money so you can buy yourself a real (plastic toy) car!the only business is to ban all women and 99% of men from owning an automobile, especially outside the western worldif you need it, you can have it; picking up kids from school is not "a need" and neither is picking up groceries
>>520509437.
>>520512694I'm often reminded of the guy who wrecked while looking through the menu on his beamer for the wiper controls being held responsible for not pulling off to the side of the road first.Driving modern vehicles is a humiliation ritual.
>>520509437..
>>520505454shouldn’t you be getting a tacoma instead you fucking pineapple nigger?
>>520511282>>520511337Its just so retarded to go from a v6 to a v4. Ruins the truck. Lost sales
>>520513466>v4
>>520513181can also comfortably cruise with 130-150km on highways, for extended periods... maybe not in wet conditionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyZs9zMxTPQpic rel is an american car I like, although not as classy as what you post
>>520513561wtf that thing hauls. I don't know anything about 30s cars, but I like that.gotta love the El Camino too.
>>520513892>wtf that thing hauls.yeah it was designed so it could cross the highest mountain passes between Germany and Italy
>>520513266I concur. The industry is gay af, similar to you and your meme flag. Just pointing that similar to most threads around these parts it's full of b*Rd and ignorance.>God status
>>520514355
>>520501135You built them yourself ?I used to do it when I was a kid.
>>520490674>plastic control armI didn't really believe it. Then I looked it up. OhMy God
>>520502573Even aluminum oil pans are retarded in my opinion. They crack. It is really hard to put a hole in steel. The oil pan on my 98 civic took a really big hit before I got it, has a nice dent in it, still werks.
>>520515332It's a 'hybrid composite", you antisemite!
>>520515641Steel and plastic
>>520490674>oil pan>oil change>fluid changenot my problem
>>520491263It's to cut weight. All other considerations have to be subordinated to chase the diminishing returns on fuel economy to try and keep up with CAFE standards. That, in a nutshell, is why modern cars suck so much. They are legally required to.
>>520514904>tfw you realise the future we were promised was already long gone
>>520514684to see something liket this all blacked out to creep out of autumn night fog i would shit myself
>>520510564NOT.Life is beautiful, start doing what needs to be done - jews won - is propaganda.Noone will dictate your will.
>>520491604Mine is 16 years old and the bushings on the control arms are finally going out, axles following suit as a result. It’s like a whole retarded domino effect. I hate it.
>>520512847What a small forklift.
>>520516273Which it's self is bullshitm aerocivic.com. oh look a guy made a 95mpg car with $500 and an old 3 cylinder 90s engine.Anything less than 50mpg is bullshit to prop up the oil industry.
>>520516367yeahsuch a good design, it contains endless stories: could be a preacher who has forgotten his notes... a musician just heading out for vegas... a girl who stole $100000... a black barber's dream come true, on his first journey... a mobster with 6 persons in the trunkit ain't a car, it's a rolling cavern of unfathomable depths
>>520513088Women heheh :D>Does the irresponsible thing>Panics>Knows the inevitable >screamsHow cute Anyway - women need to have mandatory driving tests every 2 years.
>>520515299yes I bought lots of those small "city" kits built those things for a few months and then sold the kits whew kek
>>520516295pic rel Citroen's last design before a conglomerate of automakers bought the company... it remained in production for almost 20 years, because they couldn't come up with anything better
>>520516937Brown people and women shouldn't drive. The solution is replacing urban car dependent infrastructure with trams.
>>520517145dash (those yellow squares are horizontally scrolling speedo & taco)
>>520491263>Plastic >Chemical and corrosion resistant
>>520490674What even is that? Looks like the cover from the electronics, in which case plastic makes sense.In fact plastic makes sense for everything except the frame, engine, wheels, suspension, radiator... and probably a few other things. Carbon materials literally are more robust than most steels and don't rust at all.
>>520517690It depends on the exact combination of plastic and chemical. It's not like metals are immune to chemicals. Again it depends on the combination, and many metal alloys are either expensive, heavy, or shit. Sometimes two.Cars have always been made from sub-standard materials to keep them affordable, meaning it uses the cheapest metal and plastic possible, that still just barely fulfil the demands. You realize there's literally no reason a car would have to rust? And yet it does, because they save money at all corners.
>>520518681Thats the oil pan and it's made of plastic. One time use.
>>520505690Most Russians buying Lada Granta it's the best-selling car and the cheapest in Europe right nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5tevO_GPPs
>>520519109Yee I should have read the OP in its entirety first. I wouldn't mind if it was reusable, but making it disposable is pretty stupid; if so at least it should be cheap, and factually speaking such a single piece injection moulded thing shouldn't cost more than 20 bucks, 50 at most, seeing as it has bushings and a valve. But yeah, it's like buying Gucci auto parts with many brands.What sucks especially is that in these cases you can't even get replacement parts from the junkyard. In fact that has gotten difficult overall, for a variety of reasons. Retarded in particular with old beaters, 20 years old plus vehicles.>buy replacement parts factory new that have been laying in a warehouse for 15 years like it's a fucking collectors item.
>>520505690Is that bamboo plywood?
>>520519036>Temperature/deformation/wear/chemical migration resistance
>>520519493>junkyardIt's one time use, so no, even if you found this car in a junkyard you can't re use the plastic parts.
>>520490674Hey Japan, my new Mazda is a piece of shit. I am dissapoint.
>>520519493oilpan sits toward the bottom of the vehicle. It catches shit coming off the road. Reusable or not, it's a piece of shit unfit for purpose part as plastic
>>520519600Generally speaking only the engine, hydraulic pump/fluid, brakes, radiator and AC components should get hot, with most staying below 100°C, so there's plastics that can handle this. Do you think plastic parts are a novel invention, radiator fans, fluid reservoirs and such have been plastic for ages, and with it screwed in place there isn't much some mild deformation could do. In fact it can even be advantageous, that a plastic part can conform more closely, requiring less precision in manufacturing.If you create every auto part on a CNC lathe it will sadly not be affordable, and even the moulded pieces have to be touched up.Ultimately it's a matter of balance. They keep pushing for more efficiency, which means smaller tolerances, better alloys, lower weight, more complex engineering, in the motor and drivetrain in particular, which is more expensive, taking it beyond the point of practicality.At the same time it's not reasonable to build or drive a car on a 1970s technical standard, because that objectively has problems as well and fuel consumption is too high.Worse yet every car looks the fucking same now, every compact car like the next compact car, outwardly differentiated only by the emblem and shape of the lights. That's supremely cancerous and a product of safety and crashworthiness standards.
