Chuds are retarded.
>>520492346socialism is the idea that the jews own the means of production. Your hands are a means of production. Capitalism is the idea that the jews own all the businesses.
>>520492346>wanting transgenders to horde the planets resources is good!
>want the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributedAnd what job are you going to hold in the socialist paradise?
imagine wanting the fruits of your labour distributed amongst people who produce no fruit themselves? cuck ideology.
>>520492346and fascists want the same AND achieve it
>>520492346capitalism is Socialism but for 10 old men, i can't help but laugh at every single debate for more capitalism noticing how retarded they sound arguing against themselve
Unfortunately for you, the raw dog reality of the simulation that made you, is that this: "55% of all the fruits of all labor, being hoarded by ten elderly Jewish men in crystal fortresses" is 100% game theory dominant to the alternative where everyone works once a day and makes enough for himself and a few more, and lives happily ever after.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX7PdJIGiCwWhen the Keaven Rus came into contact with the eastern Tribes of Proto-Mongols, they were little better than animals, fishing, making igloos, tanning hides, spearing fish with tridents.The Rus at the time were capitalists, and all the money in the world went to one dude with a hat made of Pure Gold. Who do you think won the game of existence? These people or those people?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gMrVgIf120&t=601Your mis-understanding is of the nature of the power of unity and the power amplification from joint strike fighting. That is, when a dude from ten tribes says: "I am king, all must add their targetting functions to my hud overlay" that system will hurricane of trainwrecks per unit temporal window, the nice people who just want to live and let live.This Socialism, which isn't what you think it is, is a one way plane ticket to gaza. You will be killed.
>>520492613Socialism only benefits transgenders. If you aren’t a tranny and oppose capitalism you’re stupid
>>520492346>EquitablyIt's not even equally anymore, they just straight up want whites to be slaves
>>520492643In capitalism the wealth does to everybody who works hard
>>520492346>old mendropped
>>520492728>>520492774>>520492521Lazy niggers
>>520492449The funniest part of the retard nazi larpers is they don't even know what nazism is>Describe socialism and capitalism in detail>Embrace a third, failed position (no I won't elaborate on this one)retard
>>520492346Ethno-national Socialism is based. Globohomo Socialism is parasitic.
A million years ago, we lived in tribes of 5 to 15, maybe 30 or 40. what would happen is that one of males from every tribe would join to gether to take down the one huge predator and everyone takes home a haul so that everyone can eat.This is the origin of Religion, and so this "pooling of all resources from the 30 tribes" so that 8 dudes could take down the wooly mammoth after a rousing shout from the totem pole and a camp fire, is an example of your ten jewish centinarians from up on high, as God, who gets to dictate what everyone does, hoarding 55% of all resources and deciding how that resource gets employed.The fact that there's 8 billion of you now, instead of just 30 tribes of 40, only somewhat tugs at this origin of religion circuit. A man must be sent away to go die, so that we all might live.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSOyzpGoQQ
>>520492346Those 10 old men hoarding half the planet's resources are jewish, btw.
>>520493020Are they in the room with us right now?
>>520492346>equitably distributedAll the obvious bullshit aside about history, why should a nigger who does nothing except cost society get the same 'equitable' benefits as someone who actually contributes?
>>520492346In theory that's true, but in practice nearly all socialists do just want free stuff.
>>520493037i mean yeah by way of glowies
>>520492728you will never be a big nosed old men, keep sucking cock while crying about tranny tho, it's very entertaining
>>520493097just like capitalism, uh, probably a coicidence they have the same elite in place for both
If you normies both like and eat from and partake and respect sausages and the law, then you won't ever go to the buildings or secret underground Jewish lairs where these kid-killing things are pulled up into existence out of lesser arrangements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBUysNe2k
>>520493075because if he doesnt get benefits hes gonna stab you and then youll keep making endless nigger threads on pol
>>520492346>memeflag requesting a power structure to not abuse itselfMany such cases.
>work>free stuff
>equitablywhenever they use equitably instead of equally their true intentions are revealed. Equitably means equality of outcomes. That means YOU work so HE can do shit and take half.
>>520493301>That means YOU work so HE can do shit and take half.but enough about capitalism, wait, it woudd be taking 90%, my bad
>>520492850there there, keep going son, the fog in your head leading to your words is temporary and this too shall pass.
>>520492346If his labor is so valuable, why doesn't he become self-employed? Then he can keep all of the profits he generates, minus taxes.Of course, then he'll also carry all the risk of running a business,
>>520492346i don't need equal distribution. i just want the work day capped at something reasonable like 5 hours a day. is this too much to ask for
>>520492346Communists want the fruit of your labor also a bunch of gay kids and foreigners
>>520493176You literally are the Bourgoise that you claim to hate. You cry and whine about capitlsism on your IPhone before going to the cafe to buy expensive drinks, then you go hang out on the boats and go to a steakhouse for dinner.You are the “rich old man” except you’re a zoomer. We call you people champagne socialist”
>>520492346Socialism puts the 10 (((old men))) in charge of distributing the wealth to the rest of us tho…
>>520492449Nazis used authority to force plants to make war materiel. Seems like they control the "private sector" as well. Sounds like commie gobbledygook to me. Capitalism has flaws but better than that retarded system.
>>520492954Every day this site amazes me with how stupid people are, you won for today lol
if the "we just want fair distribution" socialism online larpers speak of ever existed, it's long dead now, at least in the west. ever speak to a "socialist" irl? they're just idpol-obsessed fags who'd have our nations commit suicide, and then sell our scraps to global capital.
>>520492346>our labor>ourYea except the people who promote socialism don't have jobs.
>>520492346>Socialists wants the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributedOk, how that's gonna work? Who's gonna decide how that's gonna work and how will they prevent the people who decide that to not exploit the system. I'm yet to see a commie debate the humam side of the ideology. It seems like they really belive that a system will be set and never fail, almost as if people are like rocks or something.
>>520492346What labor have niggers, who haven't touched a job application even once in their lives, contributed?
>>520492346Socialism is a buzzword with no commonly agreed upon definition. Ask ten socialists what socialism means to them and you'll get ten different answers. It's important to define words.
>>520492346>the idea that socialists want free stuff is the great lie .... ACK!
>>520493219>probably a coicidence they have the same elite in place for bothPure Cohencidence, indeed.
>>520493783>Ask ten socialists what socialism means to them and you'll get ten different answers. IOne thing they all universally agree upon. That they should tale things from white middle class men and give these things to themselves.
>>520492346this can only work if you make sure the socialism only extends to your nation and its legal citizens
>>520493686fair
>>520492346scrolling tiktok all day is not labor
>>520492346Socialism is fine if it’s the Nationalist variant. Taking from the jews to make your country better for everyone is based.
>>520493737Yeah they live in a world of abstraction and ideals and refuse to look at how humans actually behave in real life.In the USSR they were obsessed with creating "the new Soviet man". They deemed human nature as defective because it didn't fit into their ideal communist system. They thought they could change human nature through force and coercion but in the end it was their system that fell apart.But brainwashed idiots in the West think it will work here if they just try harder.
>>520492346If you want to equitably distribute the reward then the risk should also be. I doubt any of these socialist are going to invest their own capital.
>>520493907Wrong. (((Legal))) citizens just means jeets with enemy-issued documents. It needs to extend to kin and kin only.
>>520492346Wait a moment... wow man you just turned my whole world view around!I've been living in a lie all this time!Let's overthrow capitalism then, and change it for a system in which we don't have to pay taxes, can freely work for whomever pays the most, or directly for clients, and no one screws up to protect favored businesses through licenses or tariffs, so that there's free competition and we always get our money and our labor's worth. How about that?
>>520492643Wow, an American monarchist!Never thought I'd see one.
>>520492346>Socialists want the fruits of our labor to be "equitably distributed" to lazy niggers who just want free stuffThis doesn't sound any better. You just added an extra step.
>>520494222To be fair that's the same thing chuds want to do by making women property, and it is a good idea.It's not that human nature is an obstacle to socialism and it can't be changed. People already act rationally towards their goals. They do whatever they think will lead to achieving what they want to the best of their knowledge, can't possibly improve on that by definition.Socialism is just less efficient as a way to manage resources, so if we compare it to capitalism, we'll say "socialism makes people starve", because they are used to not being hungry and to eating meat regularly, but it's all relative. Living standards in the middle ages were probably worse than in the soviet union, for example.
>>520494599I’m an American monarchist too
>>520492346Qrd in your own words OP?
>>520492346"Fruits of labor" is ambiguous.
>>520492346how about we all just keep the fruits of our labor and you distribute what you will where you will and I do the same?
>>520492449I wouldn't even be allowed to talk about either system under Nazis. You guys romanticize the Nazi life way too much
>>520492346>The idea that socialists want free stuff is the great lie.Correct. Socialists want your stuff and to take it at gunpoint.
>>520492449>Capitalism is the idea that the jews own all the businesses.What the absolute fuck are you talking about.
>>520492728Capitalism created troons
>>520493584Nazis literally nationalized the businesses just like the commies did.>>520493783Replace the word socialism with statism or totalitarianism and it makes a lot more sense.
>>520492346>equitably We have all seen over the past decade what is meant by equitable, and I want nothing to do with it.
>>520493783I find this is the same when you hear a leftist use the phrase “late stage capitalism”. It just translates into whatever I don’t like, generally. Like a Christian calling everything the devil.
>>520495186Marxism created troons
>>520492346If the 10 old men were fair and not pig niggers who import retarded 3rd worlders and send all the jobs to retarded 3rd world countries.. then pay whoever is left 3rd world wages, socialists wouldn't have a leg to stand on but the pigs gotta eat
>>520495287and yet it literally started and is spread by the capitalist west while everyone else rejects this degeneracy.
>>520494945They do not know about the downsides of national socialism, and only picture its supposed upsides with the context of the life they're used to.It's just like when redditors think socialism is just being paid more for the same or a better job (because of the surplus value thing, no corporate greed etc), not having to pay netflix subscription, and that's it, everything else is the same.They are used to individualism, and do not realize that nazism also had aspects they would hate. Men were fully expected to be slaves, like when conservatives are mad about the "daughter draft" but want men to die, say real men have to work all day, etc, but to the extreme. Because that was their culture, due to not being individualistic.They do not realize that no free speech means no free speech. Even the EU is shy about it and doesn't actually put most people who post anti government memes in prison. These people unapologetically did not allow questioning them. /pol/ would not be possible.They also do not realize that Hitler's economic policy was heavily socialist, similar to that of Venezuela, and would've led to poverty after a while. He just did a lot of public spending and due to the war people don't know that it wouldn't have ended well.
>>520495497It’s literally spread by USA under Obama. American documents showed that it encouraged gender ideology on people in Belarus.
>>520492346except socialists don't like working, they want millions of indians to take the jobs they refuse to do and expect the government to pay them for just sitting on their asses all day like niggers
>>520492346What happens in a socialist society to completely automated factories?
>our laborhaha good job. Niggers don't work.
>>520495938In a socialist society there would never be any automation. Because inventions are by definition original, so there can't be any bureaucratic process or law mandating people to create them.
>>520492346all this wording is completely wrong, you have to call them ninjalooters. ninjas who never get kicked from the server or their guild. they just keep on ninjaing everything with no repercussion.
>>520493737The economics falls flat on its face even without the human side of the equation. To "equitably distribute" you would first need to know the value of what is being distributed. Oh, except the very act of forced redistribution destroys the ability to accurately value what is produced.
>>520493037>say something about jews>memeflag-jew pops out of nowhere asking if "they're in the room with us"Nigga, that's you. Yes.
>>520496240holy lmaothis nigga thinks humans only create when the system makes themno wonder you ended up on /pol/
>>520495641>It's just like when redditors think socialism is just being paid more for the same or a better jobThis is accurate thoughbeit. The most actionable and persistent legacy of communist/Marxist political action is the union, and unions do exactly that, make sure you get paid more for your job than you would otherwise. Fedex drivers would be making Amazon wages if it weren't for the union.I know Marx said stuff about other things, but if you really look around, his main legacy is just the idea of worker's unions, which are very successful at their goal of protecting workers from owners.
>>520492346The problem with socialism is that the money is not distributed equally. In a perfect world maybe socialism would work out great. In reality, though, money is stolen from white people and distributed to 3rd world browns who don't offer anything or speak our language in a $ for votes scheme. White people who have been the victims of horrendous DEI or racist HR departments that can't find work are yelled at, sent to the back of the welfare line, called racist, and made to jump through every imaginable hoop to receive assistance while mmigrants and violent psychos are rushed to the head of the line, told they are victims and offered every amenity on a silver platter. I moved to California hoping that their liberal social policies might help me get my life back on track after a divorce that left me with nothing--boy was I wrong. They came up with every excuse in the world to deny me anything. I slept in my car while illegals were fast tracked. They drove around in brand new trucks and lived in luxurious new low-income apartment buildings. I couldn't even get a job because all the low paying jobs required that I speak Spanish. Even doordash was out of the question because when I was 18 (25 years ago) I was convicted of stealing $200 worth of beer from Kroger. Meanwhile Jorge and Esmeralda have no criminal history, not because they are morally upright and squeaky clean but because all of their crime occurred in a 3rd world shit hole.
>>520496799Like a true midwit, you jumped to conclusions without even wondering if you missed something.In socialism, the government controls the resources. How tf are you going to do any research or make anything that they don't want you to?
>>520492613>capitalism is Socialism but for 10 old menyeah, that's about the level of intelligence that I expected from the OP.
>>520497054Ok that makes sense. Just one thing, they are not only protecting workers from owners, also from consumers who want to pay less for things and, by buying the cheapest option, they select companies with lower costs and make the rest go bankrupt. And also from other workers that would do their job for less money. If a union makes pay higher for a particular job, they are protecting the workers from all those people, just like how current regulations on healthcare protect doctors from everyone who wants affordable healthcare.
>>520497054>which are very successful at their goal of protecting workers from owners.Bulshit, and trhe fact that you used two logistic companies to try and praise unions show that you're ignorant and retarded. Try looking up what happen to Yellow Transport. The union spent years ruining that company, and finally, at the very end would have rather seen that company close its doors and have every fucking union member lose their job, rather than make any concessions to try to turn things around. Unions only serve the union bosses, and the members are leverage.
>we don't want to centralize power and control!>*always forms centralized committees that rule everything and control the lives of everyone living under them*funny how that works!
>>520492346and the retards think the government can somehow run private business, and that no one should be able to run businesses
>>520497291i'm not missing anything in that. one doesn't need the system's blessings to engineer shit, not even in a totalitarian state.
>>520497779You can't earn their scorn though or you WILL be shut down.
>>520492346>fruits of our laborNot your labor once you were paid a wage for it, nigger-IQ.You don't labor for free, kiddo. You ARE paid, right? You do AGREE to be paid, right?
>>520492346>fruits of our laborrich people stuff>equally distributedStrongest takes it all.Once the wealth is gone, the strongest enslave everyone else.
>>520492346ackshually you want an oligarchy controlling the other 99% of the people and will have to murder anyone who knows how to do anything because they won't do it for free.
>>520492346All economies are planned. You can have your economy planned by a state that looks out for your class and ethnic interests (like China, Nazi Germany) or you can have your economy planned by devious kikes like Larry Fink.
>>520497905>the strongest enslave everyone else>STALIN PROTOCOL
>>520492346If you're a capitalist you ain't White.
>>520497894targets on your back
>>520497779Don't you think you need resouces to engineer something?Even if you don't, you'd have to do it for free while working another job.This is all in principle, of course. Because some socialist countries these days allow a partially free market. And sometimes it's just a free market that is heavily regulated.
>>520492346Socialism is retarded, because your redistribution is gay as fuck, you niggers
>>520497779There is no incentive for research or invention if you get paid whether you do it or not.Ignoring human nature is another failure of communism.
>>520492346>it's ok to steal other peoples' stuff if i call it my stuffno
>>520498006The usa is not a capitalist nation.Under capitalism corporations that fuck up would go bust and disappear naturally, business failure has repercusions, and free money handed out to failures would be impossible.
>>520498006If there had been no war and Germany would've just gone on with Hitler, and had atomic weapons to keep jews out, that would've been interesting to see. They would be much poorer and it'd have been a massive self own. As it is, they can unfortunately claim that muh international jew ruined the whole thing but it would've been a utopia.
>>520498050Why?For speaking truth to your power?
>>520492346Giving out free shit is a gibs magnet
>>520492774We already are
>>520492346You can't have the fruits of my labor and if you want them you'll have to come and take them but be warned there will be fewer of you leaving than arriving so you gotta ask yourself whether taking it is worth the trade off for what I'll take in return. That applies to everyone who works for their living. Oh and no benefits or free stuff for immigrants and non-citizens. They can starve and die because they shouldn't be coming here if they cannot support themselves in the first place. IDGAF
>>520492449No it literally does not. YOU (YES YOU SPECIFICLY) get the money and rhe decision making.
>>520492346They never talk about sharing a company's loss equally, do they?
>>520498129Death to glowniggers.
>>520498173Handing the fruits of success to failures instead of just to the architects of that success is morally and intellectually wrong.You want to encourage success not reward failure.>niggers should go extinct because they fail and White people succeed because they have all the ideas on this planetAnything less is unnatural and so unfair.
>>520492461No, thats YOUR position. I want white men who work to own things.>>520492521>deliberately pretending to not know how to readThe people who DID THE WORK GET THE MONEY.
>>520498144You're posting with a spanish flag.
>>520498334Oh, right. I forgot the VPN, sorry!
>>520497269>sent to the back of the welfare line, called racist, and made to jump through every imaginable hoop to receive assistanceGot what they voted for.Last election, the orange RABBI PROMISED to cut healthcare and make it harder to get assistance... the reason cleatus and jamal do better than you regarding welfare is because their cases are more extreme. A decade ago, I overheard some blacks and one said that an "apartment" (shed) was $300/month. This is how bad some people have it.Another issue you misunderstanding is that you BELIEVE that cleatus and jamal are using their 200 IQ to navigate the welfare system. Some years ago I tried getting welfare, and I FAILED. You know why??? Because I tried to do it alone. I NEVER used welfare, but now I know that people get OTHERS to help them navigate the welfare system. This includes organizations or even professionals at it. The reason is impossibly difficult (I have a high IQ) is because people vote for candidates that PROMISED to make it difficult. >TL;DRIf anything, don't vote for more welfare, vote for EASY welfare.
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>>520492346>Socialists want the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributed>equitablylol>>520495273This one makes sense to me. It's when they run out of ways to maximize profits through true production and innovation and start falsifying growth through market and and currency manipulation. Think of the difference between the mid-20th century and today. In the past they got wealthy by producing goods and services, which employed a lot of people and created good lives for everyone. They've since outsourced, automated, or imported labor to squeeze out more profits which took those things away. But they still need growth so they keep finding new ways to increase their own wealthy at the expense of everyone else's. They manipulate markets to increase costs and manipulate currency to devalue everyone else's wealth compared to their own. That way they can keep reporting "growth" even though nothing new is produced or innovated. And when they finally bottom out and extract the last nuggets of wealth, they'll just leave and (You)'ll be the one left to deal with the consequences. That's when political extremism will truly take over and leftist and rightist LARPers will get to fight over the smouldering rubble.
>>520498389there's no jews in spain
>>520498454>VPNYou're not in Spain, are you Goldberg?
>>520498454Spain is possibly the most jewish country in Europe.
>>520492346The problem is that the government has to enforce that distribution. Now one entity has the power of both governance and the entire wealth of its nation under its control. You're just changing the distribution of power for the worse.
I don’t know why socialists can’t understand simple incentives. There’s only 2 ways to get the fruits of labor spread fairly among laborers:1) the moral virtue of the owner2) worker control over the mechanism of pay (owning the means of production, basically)The 2nd is completely untenable because the natural incentive of the workers is to raise labor pay until it’s more than whatever surplus is created via labor. The one and only viable way to get laborers paid fairly is to encourage a culture where owners are just expected to pay their laborers fairly because they have to or because they want to. That’s it. There are no alternatives at all. Legal or social paternalism, a conservative political theory, is ironically the only viable form of socialism that has ever been devised.
>>520492346>Fruits of our labor>Says the faggots protecting Hasan Piker and similar kikesYeah no, every leftist I've talked to is a lying faggot
>>520495287You made that the fuck up. It came from America>>520495130>"JEWS ARE BAD THEY RUN EVERYTHING AAAAA">Okay. So we should change the system so they dont>"WAIT NO, NO THEY DONT, THEY DONT EFFECT ANYTHING, ISREAL IS OUR GREATEST ALLYPlease everyone just remember what Libertarians really are.
>>520492897the funny part is how everyone universally conflates political systems with economic systems, the two being intrinsically tied together, they say, all because the kikes convinced them that money is more important than policy and truth.
>>520492346Why should the lowly fresh off the street street shitting pajeet be making just as much as the guy who's been there for years and worked his way up?
>>520492346but i am a socialist?
>>520498129You're describing the natural outcome of capitalism. If you and your friends' companies emerge on top after 2 centuries of competition, you're gonna work together to take over the government and control policy to keep yourselves up and everyone else down. There's no magical world where winners don't capitalize on their position. Why wouldn't you pull the ladder up and keep all over competitors down? Why wouldn't you use everyone else's money to bail yourself out? And if you do market capitalism while trying regulate this outcome, then it wouldn't be capitalism anymore.
>>520492346Socialism was invented by those ten old men.
>>520492346Nice idea, but the central comittee needs its share, too.
>>520492346Jeff and Elon don't drive half the cars, retard
>>520498504No I am from Spain and not a jew. I just support jewish people because it's the right position to have. The VPN comment was ironic.
>>520498760Because the Consitution and people wouldn’t allow that
>>520498973But they do, though. It's happening in the US and pretty much every other country right now.
>>520498664Transgenderism objectively came from America and Obama promoted it you moron
They lie about capitalism. Capitalists just want to enjoy the fruits of their labors too, and only share it with those they deem worthy, friends, family, organizations etc.Instead communist retarded faggots disingenuously pin their bitching about corporations onto the individual.
>>520492897>wont elaborate because he has no argumentfuck off retard
>>520492346Socialists always say this and it turns out to be always be a lie.
>>520498129Capitalism is when the state serves private interests. Capitalism is corporate welfare and bailouts. Capitalism is rule by capital. Capitalism is not competitive markets. Capitalists hate competitive markets because they drive down profits. As Peter Thiel says, “Competition is for losers.”If you want competitive markets then you need a strong authoritarian state immune to political pressure from oligarchs. See: China.
>>520492897You're closer to a nazi than any capitalist, you fucktarded subhuman doublenigger.
>>520499081That's not the point.Thiefs also enjoy the fruits of their labor.If a politician rises to power that takes a lot of work. Would you say he is entitled to rising taxes as much as he wants and pocket it?Btw I agree with you and hate commies. But in order to argue effectively we have to get to the point, or we'll just keep giving them strawman arguments to easily refute and look good. Look how it went to call them "snowflakes", a wonderful idea by boomers. Or how they keep mocking the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" thing and rightly so.
>>520498647>It's the neoliberals who tell the truth!>Posts an image pretending to mock neoliberals>Won't tolerate any opinion other than neoliberalismKill yourself already. You're tiresome.
>>520499312Well, in that case, I dislike capitalism too. Do you agree that it should be dismantled and replaced with a free market?
>>520498664>Please everyone just remember what Libertarians really are.Oh we know what they are. Capitalism is just another false jewish devil-worship cult.
>>520492346I'm not equitably distributing my wealth with people who are not of my own race.
>>520492346Chud here, we already moved pass the muh politic theory ages ago, system doesn't matter, killing jews does, without jews we can make any system work, with them every system will fail.That's all there is to it.
>>520492346What is evenly distributed? If one person is sweeping streets all day and the other invented the cure from cancer are receiving the same reward? Is that what socialists want because this exactly what happened in USSR?
>>520499840desu the difference between the janitor and the quantum rocket surgeon under capitalism is already negligible compared to the difference between them and the actually rich. this is basically a non-issue, it's the ceo:s, politicians, foreign investors, banking families etc. that need to and would be dealt with, not the inventors
>>520499840We need to bomb canada. It's that simple. We need to bomb canada until they just don't have any internet connection anymore.
>>520500262There’s effectively zero difference in life in any first world country between a Billionnaire and an above average paid worker. Once your income passes $55k you can afford anything you can possibly need, steaks, food, pay rent, shelter, go to restaurants bars etc.The people I hate aren’t the ones who create jobs like Bezos, its the scumbags who live like billionaires but create zero jobs. The people earning 100k a year to sit in an office, reaping all the consumption for doing mindless work that they only got because their daddy knows somebody
>>520499443Free market ideology is based on an abstraction that strips economic activity away from the conditions of its existence, namely the culture and customs of a people. The folk, the nation, the race — this is the soil from which economics arises. Communist European countries have more advanced economies than “free market” African countries, because the peoples themselves are different.Prior to a “free market” is the development of the nation, its fertility, its cultural uplift, the richness of its commons and its public goods, like social trust and order and the administration of justice. Markets are embedded in organic social relations and the state. If you want a healthy market then you need to give it good soil.
>>520492346He is a muslim though.
>>520492346If a private company like apple or NVIDIA designs a product in the US, then pays Indians to write the software and Taiwanese to produce the hardware and makes lots of money how is that the fruits of *your* labor ? Globalism has already made the first world socialists arguments moot since they produce little of value. Your labor does not matter , you work for the school system or at the DMV or deliver food.
>>520500531well, that's the thing. the billionaire doesn't have to work, and gets to control business and politics. that's a pretty substantial difference to me, regardless of whether his food tastes better or his bed feels softer than that often the high-value worker. also,>create jobskys
>>520501054*of the, not often the
>>520500706>Prior to a “free market” is the development of the nation, its fertility, its cultural uplift, the richness of its commons and its public goods, like social trust and order and the administration of justice. Markets are embedded in organic social relations and the state. If you want a healthy market then you need to give it good soil.Exactly.First comes true culture and civilization through organic development driven by the people and their culture. Then the capitalists come in and overthrow the monarchy and start selling off and exploiting the nation for their own gain. When there's nothing left, extremist leftists or fascists overthrow the capitalists and brutally rule over what little is left for a little bit before the nation is completely destroyed. If you don't disrupt the cycle then it'll just keep happening over and over again.
>>520501054If you’re an employee who earns 100k a year you get>be in the best social clubs>be in the political class that controls government>be in the political class that dominates journalism>can save money for investments>can eat steaks>don’t have to worry about water or heat bill>can go out to the Keg, eat steaks, etc>can go to bars without worrying
>>520492346He is right in that socialism does not inherently imply a welfare state, that is simply what most leftists mean by it and therefore why we call them gibsmedat retards.>>520493584Thats called being at war
>>520500706I think you had basedgpt write this, but I'll address it anyway.>Free market ideology is based on an abstraction that strips economic activity away from the conditions of its existence, namely the culture and customs of a peopleIs this supposed to mean that those conditions would make it impossible to actually implement? Or what?>Communist European countries have more advanced economies than “free market” African countries, because the peoples themselves are different.Don't care, this is irrelevant.>Prior to a “free market” is the development of the nation, its fertility, its cultural uplift, the richness of its commons and its public goods, like social trust and order and the administration of justice. Markets are embedded in organic social relations and the state. If you want a healthy market then you need to give it good soil.Don't care, this is also irrelevant. Again, are you trying to say those conditions would make it impossible?I know you're not "trying to say" anything because this is AI blabber. But still.
>>520501214that's an AI response that misses the point though
>>520501214>Then the capitalists come in and overthrow the monarchy and start selling off and exploiting the nation for their own gainIf they do that, they are not capitalists, just conquerors. Capitalists don't take other people's things without a voluntary exchange.
>>520492346The core of maga is low or no immigration national socialist.bit was subverted by russo-israelis.>>520492449>>520492461
>>520501244>100k>controls government, journalism>meaningful investmentlegit delusion. and the rest of the points are completely irrelevant and meaningless. turn on the news once in a while and you'll realize that the people who truly matter are in the triple digits for each country.
>>520492346Set up a co-operative.Oh wait you wont because you are a lazy fuck and are not willing or able to do the work.
>>520501539Anti-immigrant sentiment is just enemy propaganda to make us implode. Real Republican ideals are about free market economics and making America better and stronger>>520501547If you turned on the news you’d realize that billionnaires are constantly being shit on and bashed. Even if they have more money on a per capita basis, they’re so out numbered by the technocrats who hate them that they’re constantly targeted by the system. I know people who earn 100k a year, if you did you’d hate them too
>the fruits of our laborwhat are the fruits of the labour of a community outreach officeror a diversity & inclusion manageror a fucking poetDo they get the same fruits as me, electrical engineer who programs PLCs that run the entire mechanized worldBecause that seems unfair
>>520501307No AI is going to give you National Socialist economic doctrine. I’m just a good writer. I have to get to work and can’t answer all your objections now. But I will say that to get from here to there — from the economic order we have now to “free markets” — requires a kind of pathfinding through a space of possibilities. Is your destination reachable? Is it feasible? What would it take to get there?It would take a revolution. There is no reason for Jewish capitalists with monopoly over finance, media, politics, and the law to willingly cede their power and privilege to free market ideologues.
>>520501774unironically yesPLCs may run the mechanized world, but if there's a lot of them, the marginal use of one is not going to be that significantthose bullshit jobs probably have some use too or no one would pay for them. like shielding the company from bad PR or something idk. or even if they are government mandated somehow, that still protects the company from problems with the government, which is a form of added value, although ideally in a free market this wouldn't be necessary
>>520501647like hell. the billionaires are incredibly, unbelievably pampered. a couple of them will be brought into the spotlight and get a few softballs, sure, but as part of an internal conflict while the rest sit back and laugh as every single station everywhere promotes their interests, forever.through family i know many 100k+ earners and i have gotten to visit and eat dinner with actually rich and influential people. the true rich and the upper-middle-class do not live in the same world, let me tell you.
>>520492346>We want the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributedI'll do nothing and take something. I did it when Biden was in office and got on gibs immediately. I like how lefturds think that because they win people will all band together for 'duh worker' to contribute.
>>520501400Tell that to all the European bourgeois revolutions of the early modern period. Market capitalism was born out of wealthy merchants overthrowing or sidelining their monarchies in brutal wars to wrestle away control of the markets. Most 19th century colonialism was also done by private companies with government backing. What's capitalist about invading brown people? Nothing, if you have a warped idyllic view of capitalism. In reality capitalists had to brutally conquer to thrive just like everyone else. >>520501352I don't think jeetGPT allows nationalist sentiments. He's just a phoneposter whose phone automatically inserts the em dash.
>>520501945basedgpt will. and unless you somehow write very well but can't fucking reason or focus on the fundamental point, you are definitely using AI.I don't fucking care that it's not doable, I already know that, I just asked if you agree that it should be done and then you started posting AI ramblings kek
>>520501958>those bullshit jobs probably have some use too or no one would pay for them.You're in too deep Pablo. There's no hope for you.
>>520502111it's not the em dash, he missed the point. that's how you can tell something is AI regardless of writing style, em dashes, ideology.... they always miss the fundamental point of things. i asked if he thinks the free market would be good and he started posting ramblings>>520502111>Tell that to all the European bourgeois revolutions of the early modern period. Market capitalism was born out of wealthy merchants overthrowing or sidelining their monarchies in brutal wars to wrestle away control of the markets. Most 19th century colonialism was also done by private companies with government backing. What's capitalist about invading brown people? Nothing, if you have a warped idyllic view of capitalism. In reality capitalists had to brutally conquer to thrive just like everyone else.so? most people with a business would probably be ok with the government destroying their competitors or making people give them free money. but then it's not free market
>>520501987I’ve met the true rich/elite.They earn over 90k a year, they eat steaks for dinner, they take long showers with the water hot, they go out and get beers and get each other for drinks.They view the billionnaires as meat to eaten
>>520492346OP do you know what a "chud" is? It's a made-up tranny curse word. You mean to tell me, these things exist and himmler was one of them? Some guy with dark hair and glasses who's mission it is to eradicate jews? I see more muslims fit that profile.
>>520502339There's no point defining capitalism or any other ideology by ideals that have never existed and are impossible in practice. Capistalism, socialism, etc can only be judged by how they've truly existed in reality.
>>520492346Commies are the real tards, they want the state to take everything and then after they have redistributed almost everything then the Poor's get their "equitable" scraps. Under communism there is no vertical movement, no room to make a higher wage. You are forever stuck with crumbs, commies block housing and forced labour camps that are needed to make it function. Those at the top still get a massive cut, there is still corruption and mismanagement.
>>520502735I knew people who lived under communism that lived better than the uberwealthy here.They got their own apartments that had stoves, dishwashers, fridges, laundry machines, etc.Obviously there’s lesss freedoms but economically they were disgustingly wealthy. In fact one of the issues with it is they were so wealthy they might go to hell, my paster said that
>>520492346>communism, capitalismIsn't it curious that these "economic theories" are eager to tell you what to do with your resources, time and labor, and what they are worth in terms of worthless magic paper, but never about the banking industry? Supranational communism shuffles resources around the world to keep up this pyramid scheme, while national capitalism sells you merchandize and runs the consensus cracking apparatus necessary to (para)socially peer pressure you into submission. If you are arguing "economic theories" in [current year], then you are certified terminally domesticated debtcattle.
>>520503101You’re just a low IQ nutbag who thinks he’s ahead of the game when he fell for a bunch of low IQ conspiracy bullshit
>>520492346Socialists and communists are comprised of three kinds of peopleThe rich kids who, not being satisfied with having been born into an abundance of wealth, work towards a future where they don’t just have access to immense amounts of resources, they have absolute control over ALL the resources, including other humans, who they view as a kind of intelligent livestockThe violent “human” automatons who aspire to be the fists of the aforementioned rich kidsAnd lastly, the stupid, gullible idiots who fell for the siren song of socialism/communism and are unaware they are creating a world where billionaires don’t just fuck underage hookers in drug fueled orgies; they also rouse themselves from a deep slumber the nect afternoon, groggily pull om their uniforms and sign off on horrific policies that get hundreds of thousands of people starved to death and murdered over the next year and changeTl;drCommies are one tenths intelligent, wealthy sociopaths, three tenths bloodthirsty mercernaries and six tenths fools.
>>520503170Do you mean to advertise LLM replacement?
>top 10% now consuming half of all goodsChuds will defend this
>>520492346WrongWe know that you are a failure and a social predator monster that wants a level plain field and rules that coincidentally advantage your preferred slimy resource acquisition tactics through proxy of the state
>>520503498Man, they consume all the goods? They must be FAT as FUCK and own endless warehouses of inert things just sitting there
it is the fruit of their labour, no? i dont get this line of thinking. whats stopping you from starting a company? produce your own goods and hire your own workers and pay them fairly? be the change etc. all these people do is complain and be comfy in their own little nooks. you want change? you have to bring it, by force and action. crying will do nothing.lazy commies
>>520492346>Socialism takes all private property>Gives it to JewsAvoid at all costs.
>>520492346Look in the mirror.
>>520499636>without jews we can make any system workdirection brains will never be able to understand this simple fact
Equity is the biggest horsecock of them all.
>>520504325People expect the world to be shit because they have convinced themselves only shitty people get to run it.No that is a false choice. If you are working on a project with 5 people and you remove the lazy Jew ruining everything by stealing and lying the 4 remaining can move mountains.
>>520492897>failed position>became the richest, most powerful nation in the world in just a few years by giving the means of production back to their own peoplejews are a oligarchy people with no sense of vision or creativity, squandering earth's resources for little more than an inflated ego
>>520492449Lol /thread. Real socialism is nationalist, real nationalism is socialist. Get filtered, niggers
>>520492346Of course the lowly labourers could never distribute the fruits of their labour fairly, so they must first hand everything over to us to ensure absolute fairness.
>>520492346Wealth is never "distributed", even under a communist or socialist regime. There will always be rich people and people with less.
>>520492728>>520492850>>520493037>>520502884>>520503170Everyone is laughing at you.
In other words, your actual ideology is dumber than its strawman. Congrats.
>>520492346Yeah, YOU know better Kaden, suuuure.
>>520498664Everybody mocks anti-Semites for a reason
>>520505882Nobody under 40 is pro-semite.
>>520492346it's ok as long as those 10 men are not jewish!
>socialists want the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributed*laborers gtfo**everyone starves*ah but we didnt try *REAL* communism
>>520504305>We just need to try capitalism! It will work this time!Bitch it hasn't worked for the past 2 decades. When does the functionality begin? 75% of the country can't afford rent.
>>520506087Their retarded system collapsed on itself without major outside pressure ffs
>>520506555>>520505483Don't remember captalism going to tge point of unsustainability. Communism, 9n the other hand...
>>520499537Oh really?Your antisemitic socialism has been failing for four decades now. Wages have been decreasing in real terms
>>520506617It's been unsustainable since 2008, you lying cocksucker.>But my end of the boat has risen 200'!!>>520506641Be silent, glownigger. Your 15 minutes is over.
>>520504669You are describing wage labor under capitalism.
>>520492346All me to translate. I speak libtard --"The idea that socialists are low-IQ and want free stuff is true,Socialism is merely jealousy, and we intend to take from the rich and give it to ourselves because we are incapable of understanding that the economy is not a pie that is divided but that we each create our own brand new pie as a result of our individual productivity."
>>520492449>socialism is the idea that the jews own the means of productionNo that's literally capitalism that's what we have now.
>>520503738Metaphorically true. They have no idea what to spend their money on besides more assets with values that are artifically pumped up by endless debt. They buy real estate and sit on it because operating a business on the property costs more in taxes. Their wealth is not helping anyone
>>520503498Wait, if you live in the USA you're part of that 10% anon.
>>520504626In fairness, their economy was propped up by investing everything into their war machine.I would like for a real economist to analyze it properly sometime and see if Germanys economy could have balanced out had they not chimped out the way they did
>>520498664liberalism creates troons. weimar literally had jews who promoted the trans ideology
>>520492346How about I just want back 50% of what I pay in taxes as some tangible benefit to my life like free Healthcare for my kids or childcare or something? In America my taxes all goes to foreigners abroad and at home.
>>520497612So your counterexample to my one example is also just one example of a logistics company...so that definitely proves unions are le bad? Even though my example of Fedex doesn't prove that unions are le good according to you? It only works when you do it?Yellow's a one-off and I would bet had nothing fundamentally to do with the union. It's just that everyone likes blaming unions because the media apparatus is in the hands of the perpetrators. In the vast majority of cases unions are not killing their companies but are making sure that the workers have leverage to demand what they're worth. And if a company is like Amazon and only makes money by creating slaves, then fuck them, I hope they do go out of business.>>520497598Healthcare is government collusion with the AMA cartel preventing competition. Less than 10% of American doctors are unionized.
>>520492449>>520507143>jews own the means of production>that's literally capitalism that's what we have nowNot quite accurate. What we have now is that the jews own and operate the corporate banks of the world, ie - jews control the money lending, which means the jews dictate the terms to qualify for borrowing money. Ex - Oh, you need to borrow $1M? Sure, but first demonstrate that 40% of your workforce is non-white.
>>520492346>Socialists want the fruits of our labor to be equitably distributed ...>equitablyOh look. A politically illiterate communist thinks they are a socialist.Surely, we know the implications of what they are saying, right? Now "equity" sometimes means "fair" -- So, if that is what you mean: Define "fair" for me. Often times, however, "equity" just means "the same outcome" -- This, my retarded friend, means everyone gets an unequal amount of shit, based on whoever is in charge is going to define one's "needs" -- This means, if I work 40 grueling hours and you work 20 hours sitting on your ass, I will get one loaf of bread because I only need n amount of calories to maintain my constant falling weight and you need two loaves of bread to maintain your constant increasing weight. Equity!Anyways, "equity" in both of these terms does mean free shit. Now please face the wall.
>>520492613CCP just had around 24 old men show up for our 5 year plan. That's better than the 10 pigdogs capitalism gets.
>>520492346And how do the socialists plan on robbing the jews? I never hear that side of their plan
>>520492346That's true. Taxing billionaires is the real "trickle down". Not only does that generate revenue for programs, better existing programs, and more government jobs, that makes it so that the richest have less money to control politics and government with. Win win.
>>520492346>equitable distribution>fairNo you filthy commie. You are my inferior. You are filth. You suck. You're a fag, and you deserve every fucking piece of suffering you get because it's better than you deserve you lazy stupid entitled bitch.GETAJOBThere's no excuse, no reason why you being unemployed, weak, pathetic, and stupid is in anyway my problem.
>>520492897He's right. We can still be race first without falling for socialism bullshit or totalitarianism. None of the nazi larpers would have actually liked it in the Third Reich because they would be forced to work and fight. I am not against either of those things, but central planning always fails. The nationalism ideas were good, everything else was an afterthought. 50 million dead Europeans and he couldn't even get rid of the jews. It's a failed system but some of the philosophy is salvageable.As for commies, they are retarded children or WEF wannabes. Redditors won't be running the fucking party if we get a new round of communism. They will be the first ones shot for being lazy leeches and complaining about how they lost all their rights.
>>520492346problem?
>>520492346And you're gonna tell me that the reason every single attempt at communism has failed horribly and led to ridiculous levels of human suffering because... It was never done right? Surely next time it'll work.
>>520492613And socialism is socialism for 10 old men. Ask anyone that's lived in the USSR. You fags that think communsim can benefit the workers are delusional retards. It's the same amount of work but for close to 0 actual pay. You should know that wall street heavily funded the bolshevik revolution and their early build up in return for getting a share of the slave labor. Anyway, need to remind myself that there is no point in arguing with commie tards. If history books can't convince you, nothing can.
>>520508161Chinks are communist in name only. They are totalitarian capitalists with even more wealth concentration and the party having a hand in everything. Ask any chink immigrant what they think of the CCP. Again, you retards dream of something that doesn't exist and cannot exist (your gay worker's paradise) in the face of volumes of historic evidence and first hand accounts about the horrors of totalitarianism and communism. Chinks today are harvesting organs from 100k political dissidents a year.
>>520492897>1pbtid
An awful lot of people who claim to support socialism are young and unemployed. That's all I need to know.
>>520492346>fruits of our labor to be equally distributed>doesn't workok
>>520492346> “so no one will be given free shit under socialism?”> umm uhh well yeah of course they wi it that doesnt mean that’s what we want
>>520492346>our labourYou want the fruits of MY labour, because the fruits of your's is worth dick.Another commie that doesn't understand value. Fuck off.
>>520492346This only works if labour is equally excercises but how can you even measure that lmfao whoes to say making 50 phonecalls a day mailing back and forth is comparable to lifting heavy crate all day, not even mentioning risk. What a naive idiotic perspective
>>520512373Most of the people who insist on forcing teamwork and co-operation do it because they're unable to do anything by themselves. By attaching themselves to strong people in a group they can lie to themselves that the group's output is in part due to their efforts.
>>520492346Socialism's premise is that all men are angels and that some form of equality is applied across the board.Seldom, if ever, does this happen in real life. That's why it always fails, if it seems to work at first, then a while, verify it by double checking the National debt.
>>520512373>>520512586In real life nobody does anything alone. You can only exclusively produce value if you run a business on the level of simplicity or a hot dog vendor. Even a plumber is going to end up with an office lady to take calls.
>>520497054Trade Guilds existed long before Marx.And famously stingy Walmart pays truckers at the top end of the pay scale.
>>520512859that's besides the point, innit.the real debate is regarding>hierarchiescommunists/socialists do not like hierarchies, they do not like authority figures. the ones orchestrating all this just want to suppland the existing power structure and install themselves on top, the useful idiot footsoldiers are Untermensch dysgenic losers who know they cannot possibly "make it" in a meritocracy and they seethe 24/7 at anyone successful and are in rebellion against God himself and consequently in rebellion against all authority including their own mom and dad and are very tempted by the narrative that they are being actively "oppressed" by everyone else, as well as by the promise that they can become "gods" if they just tear down the entire system around them.
>>520492521thats you incentivize people to work dumbass
>>520513162Yeah, because people are totally going to work as hard as possible in a socialist society full of niggers and shitskin, like that totally was proven false before.......what job will you be doing in this utopia?
>>520498144Hitler was elected promising to get back the territory lost under WW1. The entente overextended at the end of WW1 and took too much. So Hitler basically started WW2 to get back territory. He was just doing what he had promised to do and it lead to the complete destruction of Germany.
>>520492346Socialists want infinity brown hordes and uninhibited faggotry. If it wasn't for these imperatives of the modern soicialist then it'd be cool enough. But no, you just can't go on without gay nigger stuff so you can fuck right off on the gay niggers you rode in on. Spastic.
>>520492346>equally distributed in 1 country>10 men hoard 50% of all resourcesI'll not suffer thieves,chomos,or mentally unstable retardsMath isn't feelings, (you) can't eat illusions/dreams
>>520512859You are young, live with your parents, and don't have a job.
>>520492346We demand keeping the fruits of our labor by giving 60% of it to the government.
>>520513162that just makes it into capitalism again dumbass.
>>520492346Every socialist - national or international -should be flayed and then dipped in isopropyl alcohol before ultimately being burnt alive.
>>520492346and what exactly is an "equitable distribution" of the fruits of your labor if you're only one part of the production line?you produced the microchips in phones, does that mean you're entitled to a phone? You boxed up what a farmer produced, does that mean you're entitled to eat?The whole idea is short-sighted and stupid, which is why we make fun of it instead of treating it as a serious discourse.
wait i thought chuds were willing slaves to capitalist billionaire overlords and federal bootlickers? when did they become socialists??
>>520499636>without jews we can make any system work, with them every system will failcapitalism in itself is anti-nationalist, pro-immigration and just rewards worst traits of humanity. Capitalism works right now, exactly as it should be working in theory.
>>520515161"Equitable distribution" is the term they use to obfuscate the fact that in reality they just want free stuff.
>>520492346I don't want my fruits being distributed to anyone if I don't have direct control over those fruits and who they're given to. Sorry but I don't give a fuck about shitskins, and I don't trust any representative or unelected bureaucrat to make decisions that are in line with what I want my fruits spent on.
>>520493037"Are they in the room with us" he posts from his phone.
>>520492346Capitalism works as long as you don't involve jews.
>>520515283Capitalism isn't pro-immigration as a rule. It's pro WHITE immigration because whites are the only ones who actually add to the economy. Capitalism wants results, not dead weights. Why would capitalism want third worlders who are too stupid and weak to work?
>>520513162>no no, you don't understand. I'm giving them money for nothing to convince them to work maybe in the future.40IQ management.
Why don't they just start their own business and equitably redistribute what the business makes?
>>520492346those 10 old men earned it tho. They DESERVE to own all the resources. OP is just envious of others hard work and should GET A JOB!
>>520504626if Nazi germany was so great then how come it only lasted for 15 years?
>>520515931>If it's so great why did people who were envious of it destroy it???
>>520516136It wasn't great. Hitler had to go to war because he fucked the economy with MEFO bills which were unsustainable. He went to war which resulted in the deaths of millions of people and the destruction of basically all of Europe.
>>520492346Isnt socialism the reason people cant buy food this month?
>>520516136>Great Thousand Year Empire>destroyed by filthy western subhuman democracy believing TRASHWow, what a pathetic empire to be so thoroughly destroyed in only 15 years by subhumans. Maybe you should’ve told Hitler to listen to his generals instead of being a raving suicidal incel faggot?
>>520492346All who advocate for communism have never worked a day in their life. There is no fruit because they have never performed labor. So yes communism/socialism is nothing but leaches seething about not getting gibs-me-dat, everyone knows this.
>>520515283>Capitalism works right now, exactly as it should be working in theory.Just like Feudalism, Monarchy and various Republics did in the past, you need to understand that every political theory have flaws and can be abused, in normal society people abusing the system are insignificant minority, but kikes take that abuse to another level, it's like that old meme with kike bringing a 10L bottle to a refill bar.Systems don't fall because they are shit, they fall because someone is purposely making them fall.
>>520492346Yeah too bad you're entire ideology was destroyed by trannies. You'll never be viable in the states just because of that.
>>520502551Ok but my question is, do you agree that the free market, if possible in practice, would be a good thing?>>520507730>Healthcare is government collusion with the AMA cartel preventing competition. Less than 10% of American doctors are unionized.ok but it's the same kind of protection
>>520502551>Capistalism, socialism, etc can only be judged by how they've truly existed in realityThat's like saying we can judge opposition to fascism by Antifa's actions.
>>520492346so if 100 people are hired to do a job, those 10% of them effectively doing the job, should earn the same as the 90% just breathing air and stunning holes into the air? Well, for sure with that mentality mankind would have achieved everything what has been done till now... OP is lazy scum, nothing more...
>>520492515The job they currently have, just more fairly paid. The primary objective was worker ownership of profits. It was only later that (((they))) poisoned it to be "give everything to everyone".And it makes sense. Let's say you make a business. You put some money in at first, and then take that money back through profits. After a certain period, you're suddenly making money that isn't reliant on your own funding or your own work, it happens without you even being there because it's the workers who are doing all the actual work now. A fair and just system would then say "okay, you now get 1% of the profits now instead of 100%, and the remaining 99% goes back to the workers".That is what it should be. Your reward for setting the thing up is being given money for nothing after it's paid itself off. You make a company that makes £100 million a year in profit? Congratulations, you're getting £1 million of that amount. The other £99 million gets divided by the 500 employees you have working for you, and if all were paid equally that would be £198k a year on top of their basic salary.
>>520519931Yes, in part. Because it did and does form part of overall anti-fascist sentiment. The world is complicated and you will find a lot of people you're supposed to hate actually agree with you on certain issues. No "movement" is ever comprised of people who agree on everything. So you have to judge every movement as a whole, including its worst parts.>>520519710>do you agree that the free market, if possible in practice, would be a good thing?Yes, just like UBI, universal healthcare and education, etc. All of these would be great if actually possible. But they're not because they're fantastical concepts. They're only used to dupe people into supporting things that are actually the opposite.
>>520492346Don't commies believe "from each according to their ability, and to each according to their need?">It's not my fault you know how to farm and you only need a basic subsistence lifestyle to survive and produce.>It's not my fault I only know how to be an aristocrat and I need to live an expensive inner-city lifestyle hosting lavish partiesI think if you polled the average commie dog they would see themselves as the guy living in one of the seven sisters, or even in Rublyovka. They definitely do not see themselves as the starving peasant who slaves away for some kulak in Mudsville, Poland.
I'd be fine with the idea of socialism if every time it manifested in a White country it didn't immediately try to destroy Whites and their cultural and architectural legacy.It's almost as if there was a common denominator here…
>>520518753Honestly it's kind of sad that that's how it works.The left is no longer even trying to seize the means of production in the US, from what I can tell on the internet, they essentially forgot it. I disagree with their ideology so this is good in my book, but still, it's sad. In Europe it's not as bad but similar. As in, they're focused on trannies, niggers, muslims, faggots... And kind of forgot about the point of socialism.To the point that they are against tariffs because Trump made them. Even though tariffs are textbook socialism. And they are promoting straight economic theory. This is sad because of how gullible most people are, how disconnected from their supposed ideas they are and are instead focused on holding the dominant accepted views, and also because the media could fix the country overnight by telling them to hold views against crime, but don't.
>>520492346If you want to keep the fruits of your labour, just don't let the capitalists take it. Grow you fruits without their help. If you can't, then maybe they're entitled to some of it
>>520520256You're describing a system that specially punishes hardwork and innovation. It's why pure socialist nations fail fast term and why socialist light countries in European are experience a slow collapse.
>>520520830But it doesn't, though. In fact, it actively encourages it, because if you want to make more money from businesses, you've got to make more businesses.
>>520492346>proving the lie is a truth with their own words>also implying any socialist actually has a well paying jobGr8 b8 m8 I give it 8/8
>>520520275>Yes, just like UBI, universal healthcare and education, etc. All of these would be great if actually possible. But they're not because they're fantastical concepts. They're only used to dupe people into supporting things that are actually the opposite.That makes sense. I agree with you, actually.But since you agree on that, you should agree that every tax reduction, regulatory reduction, removal of a license requirement, reduction in public spending, etc, is a positive, because it gets us closer to that, which you said would be good.
>>520520256>The primary objective was worker ownership of profitsSee pic.
>>520521006Then the workers don't get their big bonus that year.But do you honestly think the CEO is tanking the loss if the company doesn't perform well one year?
>>520520935So like Trump, Beezos, and Musk?
>>520521097>Then the workers don't get their big bonus that yearNo anon that's not how it works. If the company makes a loss the workers would have to put money back into the company to keep it afloat out of their own pockets. Companies don't magically stay solvent.See? You just want free shit.
>>520521097Do you think the CEO is the majority owner of a business?
Fuck socialism and fuck communism. The only people who are mad about Capitalism are poor and thus their opinion has no merit.
>>520521176No, that's exactly how it works. The CEO does not put his own money back into the company to keep it afloat currently, so why would the workers have to? Please learn what operational costs are and why they always factor in blips in the road.>>520521184Do you think the majority owners of a business tank the losses?
>>520521364When the fuck did I say anything about a CEO? You seem completely deranged about this topic desu. If the workers owned a business and that business started losing money, the workers would have to fork up the cash to cover the losses.Why don't you just go start a worker owned business with some friends of yours if it's such a good idea? By your own posts you seem to think you'd make lots of money if you did it, so why don't you?
>>520513162Sounds kinda facist
>>520521548>When the fuck did I say anything about a CEO?You didn't, I did because I'm trying to explain to you why you're failing to apply your logic for a hypothetical situation to what currently happens.Who do you think "forks up the cash" if a business currently loses money? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>520521633>Who do you think "forks up the cash" if a business currently loses money?The guy who owns it lmao. Who the fuck else would do it?
>>520493686Well, obviously. Why would you expect them to participate in a system they have deemed unacceptable. Imaging being a wagecuck and believing it a virtue.
Man reading these comments some of you guys are too fucking retarded. Like >>520492521. The fruits are not going to random stranger, its going to you, instead of your boss skimming off more then he deserves.
>>520493737>Who's gonna decide how that's gonna workSeemed to be working pretty well in the single average job gets you a house, car, wife, 2 kids and a pension days. Decades and decades of conservative policy of tax cuts for wealthy, deregulation etc etc and look where we are now. Wage stagnation.. Full time job but can't afford to rent alone. Wealth pooling at the top. Deregulated stock buy backs for billions VS going towards worker pay or company improvement. Like unless you are in the top ten percent you're basically being hard fucked.Sure... Lash out at all the social wedge issues and stupid distraction issues like tranny panic and so on. Meanwhile you odds are will never own a home. If you have kids now entire younger gens aren't dating or going out.Like what exactly are we out going with a different system? Current one isn't helping ninety percent of us. It's just beating everyone down for the wealthy to have their cake. Like Trump having his huge party as 40m+ worry about just having a bit of food this month... Great current system.
>>520520256They didn't poison shit jfl. The "give everything to everyone" is the logical conclusion.Remember, education and skills are also a form of capital that you work on and then collect profit. So everyone should make the same amount of money. It's not just the same job but with a bit more pay, because the engineer who went to uni is also benefiting from an investment. The trades guy who has 10 years of experience is benefiting from an investment too, in terms of what he learned from his jobs, from older coworkers who helped him, and through practice on company time.Anyway your second paragraph is unironically high IQ and makes sense. Up until the last part, because then, the 1% is arbitrary and set by a bureaucrat, and if a bureaucrat makes the rules on how profits are reinvested (they're usually reinvested in the business or another business btw, its not some billionaire buying 1000 private jets and yachts, because then his business would fall behind in competition with the ones who reinvest), then at that point it's not even private property, might as well have bureaucrats run the business in the first place. And if that is supposed to be a good idea, then there would be no investment in the first place, bureaucrats would just assign capital and run it.However, I would just correct one thing, or not correct but give another way to look at it that I think makes sense: Every contribution to other people in a transaction has a market price. In this case, the founder's contribution to the business is whatever makes it so that everyone else in it can't leave, do the same but without him, and split the profits. Whether that factor that he contributes so they don't just do that is organizing them, ownership of capital that required previous work from him, his contacts for supply chain, or whatever, he has to be contributing something if they work with him, and by definition, the money he gets is the market price of that.
>>520520965>since you agree on that, you should agree that every tax reduction, regulatory reduction, removal of a license requirement, reduction in public spending, etc, is a positive, because it gets us closer to thatIf you deregulate, the same thing happens again. Some entities become powerful enough to start influencing the government until all the regulations are back. It's the natural outcome of a free market when practiced in real life. It cannot be fought with regulations.
>>520492346socialism is fine as long as no jews are involved. so our first aim remains the same, TKD.
>>520521782Thank you for proving you don't know what you're talking about. No, the guy who owns it doesn't do it. If the company doesn't have enough cash stored already to cover expected blips, then a loan is taken out. The company then expects to pay that loan back with future profits. At no point does the "guy who owns it" put his own money into it.So now replace "the guy who owns it" with "the workers" and you end up in exactly the same situation.
>>520521933Ok but then you are conceding that a government that regulates less than another, is better.
There is literally nothing stopping self-proclaimed socialists from starting their own worker owned businesses and reaping the rewards they claim that worker owned businesses would have. The sheer fact that said businesses don't exist is all the empirical proof needed to demonstrate that worker owned businesses being a net positive is a fantasy.You just want free shit.
>>520492346i hate to break it to socialists but rich old men already know how to take advantage of socialism. They smell it like flies smell shit. They latch on at the first opportunity and they gorge. That's why socialism never works.. because there is always a greedy faggot to take advantage of your trust and generosity. If you want equality, tell the government to fuck off and get their hands out of our pockets, tighten their purses and find a real job.
>>520522009>At no point does the "guy who owns it" put his own money into it.......Are you being serious. That is exactly how small business works. No bank is going to give a loan freely if they dont think they can make it back, so alot of people end up using their own money.
>>520522009>If the company doesn't have enough cash stored already to cover expected blips, then a loan is taken outAnd whose name is on that loan?>The company then expects to pay that loan back with future profitsIf those profits would've gone into the owner's pocket, now the owner is down that much money. The owner is the one who covered the losses from his own pocket.You are so fucking young and unemployed lmao. You got a second monitor with Discord on it too?
>>520492346>>520492346>>520492346Daily reminder that all the "no tail" and furfag posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize degeneracy across the board.Same trannies who shill for Jewkraine and make the /uhg/ threads btw.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990
>>520522064>The sheer fact that said businesses don't existMaybe where you live, but here we have plenty, they are called worker owned coops. Most of our foods for instance comes from them.
>>520522108He's even dumber than that. If the owner skims off all the profit and the loan is repaid from that profit, then it's the owner directly paying back the loan.
>>520493020doesn't anyone ever think about it from the rich old man's perspective?
>>520521209How about fuck all of it.Any form of decentralized power is a lie used by the actual powers that be to abuse you.Politics is the great filter. Civilisation is impossible without organization and organization is inevitably corrupt, it doesn't matter what name you give it or how you dress it up
>>520522032Not really. A deregulated government is just as close to a truly free market as a planned economy. Both exist in reality while the idyllic free market is just a fantasy. One can be worse than another for many reasons, level of regulation has little to do with it.
>>520522189So why do people complain about workers not owning businesses when workers are free to own businesses?
>>520522064They claim that they can't do that because they don't have the capital. That's like the core of their ideology. I agree with you but this specific take is low IQ.
>>520522301Look man it's simple. Free market means no regulations. You conceded that's a good thing. And less regulation is by definition closer to it.
>>520522307Because most people dont work in those kind of places, nor do they have the money to afford to build one.
>>520521903>its going to youExactly... Some dipshit a few nights ago was bitching the UPS drivers get paid too much so the company blah blahblah... That's why 40k are losing jobs. Huh.. Strange how UPS had billions of dollars for stock buy backs the last five years. Pushing more company profit and wealthy to stock investors. To the tune of 54 billion dollars over the last 10 years.but driver pay is the issue? Uh huh.... Sure
>>520492346Nigger
>>520522307You aren't free to own a business.You will do so at the discretion of your local bureaucrat and loan officer.
>>520522108>making £100 million in profit a year>small businessGood one.
>>520522321I think you just don't understand my take.>They claim that they can't do that because they don't have the capitalThe question then becomes why should someone risk their capital if they won't get anything out of it? This then brings us back to the core of "socialist" ideology which is that other people should put in all the work and take all the risks while they simply get shit for free.
>>520500531Incorrect. The billionaire is free to lobby congress & courts for laws/policies/decisions that benefit him and his fellow Jews. Meanwhile the middle class fag has NO FUCKING SAY IN GOVERNMENT EVER. Heck even the slightly rich don't have much of a say, they have to donate shit en mass to PACs to get shit done at governmental levels. And thanks to libtard activism, poorfags and illegals have MORE FUCKING REPRESENTATION in congress than middle class fags (through Jew billionaire money obviously). That is why the middle class ALWAYS LOSES. Least representation. No funds reach politicians because at 50-100k you are struggling to keep a home running and mouths fed. You don't have thousands free to send to Senator Dickface and Representative McCunty to force them to vote for you.
>>520522465>local bureaucratreally? so you agree bureaucratic regulations are bad?>loan officercapital comes from previous work. you get the capital you need at the discretion of people who have it, in the same sense as i get bread to eat at the discretion of the baker. of course.
>>520522498You are no longer defending your points and have resorted to trolling. Close the tab dude.
>>520522156>And whose name is on that loan?The company. That's why a company can dissolve, and the previous owner can just start a new one with no debt carried over. Seriously, this is really basic stuff, I'm amazed you don't even know this but still are trying to be involved. You were cute for a while.
>>520522498Where did this 100m in profit come from? Did you misread my post or something?
>>520522465So the government is the problem? And the solution is to give the government more control over the economy?
>>520492346>fruits of your laborOnce AI and bots get mainstreamed, there won't be any labor left for you to do. Fully automated production with ZERO value from the plebs. That is why they are planning to mass genocide your asses and feed you bugs.
>>520522521they claim that said capital should be expropriated, because, otherwise, that guy who owns it rules the economy in an absolutist way and steals from the workersi disagree with them im just saying that's their take and you didn't really make any point against it"business owners risked their capital" of course. but they dont think they should have control over that capital in the first place, whether to take risks with or to reap any profits.
>>520522621Did you misread mine? I gave an example of a business making £100 million in profit, the other retard wanted to argue that such a company is supported by the CEO paying into from his own pocket, you've now made an irrelevant comment about small businesses.
>>520522621He's making things up to try and win the argument. All leftists resort to it once they realise they can't defend their stance.
>>520522230>nobody thinks about it from the jew's perspectiveyeah....no.
>>520522621See he's doing it again in >>520522708. Assuming he's referring to me, I've not once said anything about a CEO in any of my posts and yet here he is flat out stating that I have. In reality he's conflated "CEO" and "owner", and either has no idea he's done it or really is just arguing in bad faith.
>>520522557Your baker does not have the right to exercise discretion. He should but if he did the government would come down on him and he would jeopardize his relationships with suppliers.I hope you realize you made an argument against anyone being able to start a business
>>520522064Just pay your workers a fair amount. Like there are tons of companies that aren't booting their workers in the crotch ever few years. You don't need socialized work places, just fair work for fair pay. Roll profits back into the company for equipment, workers and so onBut I question a system where say boeing does so much stock buy backs their planes have to start falling out of the sky for them to stop.https://greenalphaadvisors.com/boeings-struggles-highlight-the-perils-of-stock-buybacks/>Boeing was grappling with the fallout from two devastating 737 Max crashes, which killed 346 people and led to a worldwide grounding of the aircraft. >It soon emerged that Boeing had spent a staggering $43 billion on stock buybacks between 2013 and 2019 – more than its total profits during that period – while allegedly skimping on safety and ignoring design flaws.Even if the bulk of work stayed the same if the boot came off our necks for medical costs and other issues we would be better off
>>520523224Workers ARE paid fairly. The big problem with wages right now is governments importing millions and millions of workers who are happy to work in shit conditions for shit pay. As usual the problem is the government. The solution is not to give the government more power.
>>520520645jews need a saturnian world-view in order to propagate money systems, which is what their power is. They don't work, they ARE the leeches people talk about when they rant about communism.>>520518440Correct, and I'd argue without jews, any system would culminate in Whites using money far less. Doing more with less. Forgiving more. Making the overall system less important, and ultimately meaningless. Because it is these saturnian influences that revert man to his base animal instincts.
>>520522654The problem is power pools upwards. If you overthrew the government a new one would form and you would have the exact same problem just with a different name and justifications.
