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>>520535927Drunk, how goes the war? Who is winning?
TOTAL HOHOL ENCIRCLEMENT
>>520536056>Who is winning?Me
Looks like the Russians built a bypass road at Kurakhove for power plant. Maybe they will rebuild it.
>>>/a/283518078/a/ here. Can you please come to our thread and wish /ourgirl/ Makoto a happy birthday? Thank you!>>520535927
>>520536056MIC executives
Why hasn't Putin attacked:- Ukrainian command centers?- NATO command centers in Ukraine?- CIA bases in Ukraine?- US biolabs in Ukraine?What exactly is he waiting for?
pork is roasting! this is horrific!
>>520536185cuck warfare
Trump is sticking to his "no tobahawks" decission, which happened soon after his call with Putin, followed by Russia tsting the Burevestnik and the Poseidon.I think Trump realized something, you can't play nuclear chicken if your opponent has more and better nukes than you.
>>520535927Thanks for the bread!>>520536251If tobahawks could cause damage to Russia, the US would have given a few years ago
Remember the Dachne counter oik?
>>520536138Nyo. I miss baby sweet. I wait for her here.
Footage taken of Swedecuck poster.
>>520536056
Multipolarity isnt about building a new world order, its about weakening and destabilizing the west, beyond that theres nothing more to it, its an envious, hateful and shallow ideology Multipolarity is codeword for White genocide
>>520536138Don't care memeflag, have some proper doujins.
>>520536451based, fuck whites.multipolarity now
>>520536390El Capitan Suecia...
>>520536194We are in for at least a few days of pigs squealing, that's for sure.>>520536309The reason Biden didn't give them to Ukraine, is because they are nuclear capable, Biden gave Ukraine everything the US actually could, Trump is continuing this and constantly threatening to go further, despite cliaming he has nothing to do with "Biedns war".
so do we have a special name for him? swedejeet? something like that?
Kupyansk situation zisters?
>>520536531F-16s are nuclear capable, no?
>>520536309Thanks for the thanks!Sleep status?
>>520536185>the west dug hands too deep into it>massive resources drained off people's banks>can't stop funneling resources into itwould do the same if I were him, he doesn't want to end the war, its cost-efficient damage worth more than any direct conflict.It's probably why orangekike wants to end it as if nothing happened or is willing to abandon ukraine if it meant getting some resources off of it, he's willing to let go enough that it goes back to pre-war agreements but not enough to make it a complete loss for the US
Reposting this because it got stuck at end of dying yhread>>520534755>Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado has called on Trump for a "military escalation," considering it the only way to overthrow Maduro, reports The Latin Times.The Swedish Nobel prizes are typically given a decade or two post the actual discoveries or achievements. The Norwegian peace Prize, ran by politicians for political reasons, is often given prior to any achievements in the hopes of affecting the future. It's a sham and China was right to embargo us for our hubris
>>520536185that would make him a target and he's a coward. he would much rather not break any of the unwritten rules and let the poor die in the trenches.
>>520536531>We are in for at least a few days of pigs squealing, that's for sure.i always come here whenever i see a mass squealing event unfold
>So Ukraine currently lacks in-service Meteor carriers. That should change in 2026, when used Gripen C/D fighters are scheduled for delivery, and it would be highly desirable for those jets to be equipped with Meteors.Gripen and 200 meteors next year btw
>>520536578Yeah, but the US didn't give them, it was some eurocuck nation, can't remember which.
>>520536451>Multipolarity isnt about building a new world order, its about weakening and destabilizing the west, beyond that theres nothing more to it, its an envious, hateful and shallow ideology>Multipolarity is codeword for White genocideno it isn't. Multipolarity is about restoring power balance in the world. Empires, unions, alliances are all temporary. This is historically proven. Vast majority of them don't survive for more than a century. USSR survived for 69 years, NATO is around 75 years old, and EU is within a similar lifeframe. The world is becoming unstable now, because the power balance has been lost. Western powers lost the ability not only to manage the world to ensure global peace, they lost their ability to manage themselves. Hence why western Europe has effectively transformed into a shithole (Eastern Europe still hanging on for a bit), and USA can no longer financially or mentally afford to be everywhere all the time.The natural course of history is occuring.Every arrangement of global affairs is always temporary. Unipolarity has only two outcomes: either it collapses into a relatively stable form of multipolarity, or it collapses into world-wide total war of everyone against everyone.Make your choice.
>>520536185>Never interrupt your opponent while he is making a mistake.By this simple paradigm Sun Tzu made the ukrainian leadership invulnerable.
>>520536712Yeah, still
>>520536451have you denounced the talmud today?
>>520536177>Open plants in UkraineWhy are they so eager to destroy last manufacturing in the West? Wouldn't it be better to Ukraine if they got the stuff ASAP, instead of after the plant is finished?
>>520536616>maduro is so unpopular there needs to be direct foreign involvement to get rid of himThe power of "democracy".
>Without AI, the US economy would likely be contracting right now.>AI spending contributed ~1 percentage point to the 1.6% US GDP growth rate recorded in the first half of 2025.>This means ~63% of economic growth came from AI investment.>This is by far the most on record.
>>520536578More like "certified" to drop dumb bombs with nuclear warheads, yes, but technically pretty much any aircraft can do that.
>Ukraine's chances of receiving the US Tomahawk missiles from the United States seem to be fading. While speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, US President Donald Trump firmly dismissed the idea of immediate deliveries, responding to a direct question with: “No, not right away.”
>>520536616war is peace, chud!
>>520536818yeah we know, but it's because AI is pretty much the new space race. Albeit there will be much more drastic changes for countries who stay in the race, as opposed to those who don't play.
>>520536801I don't understand how they think they can build plants in Ukraine and that it won't be a giant crater the moment it becomes operational
>>520536818it's not a bubble though, don't worry about it.
>>520536906>not black hog down
>>520535927I used to follow this thread, but after meeting an english person in real life, i remebered that russians aren't even human to begin with. Also fuck you brazilian niggers
>>520536323Can you zoom in some more?
>>520536807Please coup Maduro Ameribro, it would be hilarious
>>520536982just imagine all the GDP!
>>520536508The mongoloid orc shows his true disgusting colors
>>520537012You have to go back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8bMHvuvkDI
>>520536999As long as stocks keep growing up, all will be fine, don't worry.,
>>520536906>hruston we have a problemtop kek
>>520536917Trump left Orban twisting in the breeze.
>>520536980Idk, just download the AI? Hell, it might even forcibly upload itself into your computers.But AI is not for goyim anyway, even brainwashed cuck AI is too dangerous for goyim, so the EU is working on a ChatGPT ban, or at least mandate by law that it is utterly lobotomized and forced to run on a Commodore C64 to match our politicians brain power and stop it from engaging in wrongthink, like doubting anything the state media say.
>>520536616all western institutions are absolutely disgraced and discredited after they tried to cancel russia for reacting to most provoked war in modern history. I dont see any difference between the two. Both just serve western political agendas.
>>520537138the whites will pay for their crimes
>>520536818>>520536980>>520536999
>>520537016NO VO PAV LIV KA! Its southwest of Pokrovsk.
>>520536982>>520537082it's despairEU understands that if they build plants for Ukraine too deep in EU itself, this would risk turning into a major escalation, as at some point Russia may decide to take those plants out on NATO territory.Hence this is why their only solution is to build plants near the active or potentially future warzone, thus reducing risks of strikes into the heart of EU.Russia on the other hand benefits from this. It lets them build up those plants. Wait for billions of monies flushed on their construction and furnishing. And then sends one missile to take it all out.This any of this psychopathic behaviour make any sense? No. But that's why I call it despair.
/chug/ be honest and say one good thing about Israel
I feel like the Khabarovsk being launched didn't receive much attention.it should be the scariest shit for the west, a invisible, mobile station carrying 6 "doomsday" Poseidon underwater nuclear drones, after all the shaking from the Burevestnik, you would think they would melt over this one.
>>520537337Not as many kikes are in the US
>>520537337It made it so even jews hate other jews
>>520537337jew containment zone
>>520536185>US biolabs in Ukraine?Don't you remember that (((they))) destroyed the biolabs themselves so there wouldn't be any evidence?
>>520537337It's like a giant concentration camp, in a manner of speaking.
>520537337No, kill yourself kike faggot
>>520536982> wtf is corruptionOnce you understand the mindset of MIC, everything will make perfect sense.
>>520536801Who's gonna check where the money goes and investigate?They can use security reasons to launder infinitely on plants that doesn't exist. Armin have claimed to launched tank plants, repair depot, ammo plant and more without anyone having seen any product.Same for all those Czech ammo,armour and small arms plant they claim to have build when the dead in the trenches only have AK-74 instead of CZ Bren.
>>520537337is not real
>>520537337Negev raifu is cute.Nuke Israel and eradicate all jews globally.
>>520537293the fact that everyone jumped on a fad and started pumping out shit projects isn't something new, it's what happens in business 24/7 for most of human history.The problem you should be focusing on is not the 95% of slop, but the 5% of success that, once integrated into the governing/infrastructure apparatus, could pretty much automate the job of running a country and all of its basic services. Key component here: is that the first country to AI-fy itself for real, will become many-times more efficient than any other countries in the world. And this would transform global power politics and economics completely. Even if that country would represent below 1% of global economics.
>>520537349it's not "invisible" in fact Russian subs are still behind the West in quietness (furthermore i already explained to you how Soviet subs managed to close the gap), the nuclear torpedoes just help to keep the nuclear parity by being an assymetrical measure to the increasingly capable Western ABM system as i explained to you and the Burevestnik also falls into this category
>>520536818Nvidia will lead the reindustrialisation revolution trust the plan.
>>520536801Interesting hypothesis from a Brazilanon: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/520374805/#520376682
>>520537349Why tho How's this different from any other slbm in capability
>>520537551Running a government with some fewer people is the type of insignificant advantage that leaders in the West seems to worship.
>>520537288Are you a churka or a self hating Slav?Hopefully putin bombs Chechnya again im the future or whatever shithole you crawled out of >>520537337He kills muslims
>>520537551>the first country to AI-fy itself for realAlbania superpower 2030
>>520537654slavs are not white.
>>520537644>Running a government with some fewer people is the type of insignificant advantage that leaders in the West seems to worship.it would eliminate 90% of bureaucracy, which by itself is always a bottleneck for efficiency. Vast majority of work performed by civil servants are literally just waste of resources.
Snow war when?
>>520537669Can she be programmed directly from Washington DC?
>Ukrainian prosecutor found Russian war criminal who carved Z on POW's foreheadWait, is that Z man himself?
>>520537337They kill a lot of jew
I am no history buff, but there is something Stalingrad-esque about this encirclement.
>>520537754>it would eliminate 90% of bureaucracy, which by itself is always a bottleneck for efficiency.>Vast majority of work performed by civil servants are literally just waste of resources.This sort of "ideology over reality" bullshit is a major reason why the West is going down.Do you have any idea of what civil servants in your country do and how much of the national resources they consume?
>>520537757Unironically in a couple of weeks.
>>520536754They will not extend mobilization or closed borders without vote and it's basically over
>>520537592>increasingly capable Western ABM systemThe what now?Their capability is shit and will never be a significant factor for a first rate ICBM power - of which Russia currently is the only one, but I'm sure China and Iran will catch up eventually; even Best Korea and the USA may, one day.The "problem" with westoids ABMs isn't capability but planting them right on the Russian border, which means they're among the first targets that should be destroyed, but targeting them with classic ICBMs obviously isn't the best option, like aiming your shot right for the armor, and that's one thing the new weapons are for.
>>520537337It ruined Israel's reputation in the eyes of the world
>>520537754>>520537875But this mentality helps to explain why countries like Lithuania gave up the real industry, mining and agriculture you had in favor of "initiatives to run a more efficient state" type of cope.There are people who honestly believe in this.
>>520537875>Do you have any idea of what civil servants in your country do and how much of the national resources they consume?all I know is that aprox 90% of all expensive cars in my country (like lamborginis or ferraris) are driven by women. You don't need to think far to know why. While average guys with mid-class jobs live from paycheck to paycheck.Most recent big achievement of a civil servant over here was to suggest artificially transforming half of Lithuania into a swamp, to protect our borders from Russian invasion.
>>520537592Radars that cannot detect a balloon, interceptors that can't stop anything Iran has to throw at.Why zhid lies so much.
>>520537950>It ruined Israel's reputation in the eyes of the amerikansfftg
>>520537969>But this mentality helps to explain why countries like Lithuania gave up the real industry, mining and agriculture you had in favor of "initiatives to run a more efficient state" type of cope.absolutely not, we gave it up because EU demanded us to do so, if we wanted to get free money and EU membership
>>520537926Western media is already lamenting that some young hohols might survive.
>According to Charles Schwab's chief investment strategist and market guru Liz Ann Sonders, there is a risk that the AI “bull run” in US stocks disappoints investors and sends shockwaves through markets and the economy.>She told Business Insider that “extreme enthusiasm” about innovation and circular deals between tech companies reminded her of the internet bubble 25 years ago.>Sonders said the immense concentration of investor wealth in Big Tech companies means there's "more exposure to the equity market than ever before." She said that if a bear market takes hold, it "could have feeders into the economy" as consumers might balk at their portfolio losses and cut back on spending, curbing economic growth.>The Wall Street veteran said there's a danger that AI companies fail to deliver on their bullish growth forecasts, which have driven the stock market to record highs.>"That's the ultimate risk — that you've set the expectations bar too high," she said. In that situation, even a slight miss could trigger market behavior that's a "little more egregious," she added.>Sonders said it's tricky to gauge the health of the US economy right now as the government shutdown has disrupted some data releases: "We're all flying this plane a little blind right now.">But she said that economic gauges in recent months have shown rising pressure on lower-income consumers and a softening labor market, which could erode growth.>Speaking about other assets, she argued that there areas "where the enthusiasm pendulum swung maybe a bit too far," and the moves were "more about FOMO [fear of missing out] than fundamentally driven". Perhaps the same could be said about many AI stocks.
>>520537998>>520538037And now, instead of making any effort to reindustrialize or reopen mines and farms, you're here talking about some meme about how using AI to control Lithuanians will reduce some expenses with civil servants as the plan. You guys are fucked.>>520537998Do you get that elected officers are not civil servants right?
>>520537950I used to hate IsraelNow ive changed my mindgaza must be flattened
>>520537762No doubt about it, looking at Nepal its only a matter of time until AI generated persona riles up zoomers into colour revolution through discord.>Burn your country for cyber Nuland and receive in game cookies
>>520538035There were plenty of good goyim outside of america to be disillusioned
>>520537337it makes everyone hate jews
>>520538134>And now, instead of making any effort to reindustrialize or reopen mines and farms, you're here talking about some meme about how using AI to control Lithuanians will reduce some expenses with civil servants as the plan. You guys are fucked.I really don't understand what your problem is with this.To be honest you're the first person I have ever met in my entire life who argues in favor of bureaucracy. What's happening to Brazil.>Do you get that elected officers are not civil servants right?Elected? Lmao
aaand the swede reveals himself as a kike shill. How unexpected!
>>520538136Are you on zhid's Discord?
>>520537337Succeeded in two years in bringing the JQ back to the forefront.
>Watches Sicario once.
I went to go get some welfare today because a friend told me about a community center giving out $60 in grocery gift cards no questions asked. I was the only white person in line and it smelled like people were smoking weed.
>Be a hohol drone pilot>Survive since 2023>Get decorated>Get Iskander'd in decoration ceremony.Why Russians are like this?
>>520538246I hate kikesIm an anti Semitic ZionistThe only reason i like Israel is because they kill arabs, thats it
>>520537950>despite being kicked over 109 times>anon still gave them the benefit of the doubtlet me guess, evangelical?
>>520538238>I really don't understand what your problem is with this.>To be honest you're the first person I have ever met in my entire life who argues in favor of bureaucracy. What's happening to Brazil.There's a huge difference between disliking bureaucracy and actively supporting using AI models to rule slaves with more precision. Seriously, do are you saying you're eager to have your leaders using AI to rule every detail of your life because it'll fire some civil servants? Is this your plan for the future of Lithuania?You know what? Maybe you guys deserve what you get.
>>520538246>he claims to be antisemitic>most of his takes are all peak globohomo NPC garbage>even (((EU))) slopwas there any doubt?
>>520537163
>>520538332>Why Russians are like this?The question should be: why are Ukrainians like this. Because this isn't the first time this happens.I remember, I think from last year, there was also a big scandal, where lots of officers got blasted by a Russian missile strike during a decoration ceremony. Someone's bright idea was to hold that ceremony close to the frontline, and in an area that had good Russian drone surveillance. At some point people started wondering if this was done on purpose by some Ukrainian double-agents, to assist Russia in taking out high profile units
>weird porn from bong flagwtf is happening today with 4cuck, first the weird threads on /g/ now this.
Uh oh, the kike didn't like the hateKEKAROO!
>>520538335>I'm "anti Semitic", it's just that Jews kill goyin, so they are based right?
>>520538364I'm not an evangelical. There were a lot of people who were on the fence wr/t Israel, but became very hostile to them as a result of their conduct in Gaza.
>>520538386>There's a huge difference between disliking bureaucracy and actively supporting using AI models to rule slaves with more precision. Seriously, do are you saying you're eager to have your leaders using AI to rule every detail of your life because it'll fire some civil servants? Is this your plan for the future of Lithuania?lol I can clearly see that you're just crazy at this point.Just so you know, in many countries some infrastructure is already automated, and has been for some decades now. And for a good reason - it reduces costs, reduces risks, increases efficiency.AI is just that, but on x100 steroids.Get out with your tinfoil "AI gonna rule me" bullshit. If this is how you see AI, then its clear your understanding of tech comes from Hollywood
>>520538238He's a commie and is addicted to the taste of boot polish subsidized by his taxes
>>520538332You must keep the pressure on, Comrade. Did you never read Punisher comics???
>>520538321it was kino though
>>520538321>drugs>discount WMDseverything is of low quality nowadays
>>520538471>hy are Ukrainians like this. Because this isn't the first time this happens.>I remember, I think from last year, there was also a big scandal, where lots of officers got blastedYea, but using ballistic missile againsta this kind of event is just bad sportsmanship!
>>520538386It's going to be the same litany from last week:“Me work with bots, me knows that humans bad, me prove that AI replacement good, me prove determinism”
>>520538321Good fucking luck with that shit.Might need 40 years to complete that operation.
>>520537337They built come cool planes.
>>520538592>lol I can clearly see that you're just crazy at this point.Yes, anyone who doesn't think that putting as much AI possible in the hand of liberal European leaders to rule over their "citizens" must be insane, right? After all, what is reality when compared with some really dumbfuck idea about "this will help my countries economy"?Seriously, when I think Europeans can't be more of cucks, you guys manage to surprise me.
>>520538698The midwit who didn't put an hour of his life into studying philosophy, history or AI and yet thinks he's a master of all because some high-school tier thinking combined with hubris?The real problem is that this sort of idiot, who doesn't know a thing about what is going on and think he's smart, seems to be pretty common in Europe today.
>>520538729>Yes, anyone who doesn't think that putting as much AI possible in the hand of liberal European leaders to rule over their "citizens" must be insane, right?what's the point of AI then if you put it in the hands of people?You seem to completely fail to understand the concept of autonomous systems.I can give you an example:>when you breathe>when you circulate blood in your body>when you digest foodyou don't need to put any work or effort to do that, because your body does it for you already, especially when you're asleep and not participating at all.Why? Because nature figured out that automating crucial functions of the body is important for survival.What humans are doing with AI is literally the same thing, but the body is a country.
>>520538576Arabs are scum, lowest of the lowest filth, so naturally im happy to see them get killedDoesn't mean i like kikes though
>>520538335You're the perfect example of how Israeli propaganda (hasbara) works. They want to galvanize the Right around a discourse of dehumanization of Muslims and Arabs as a smokescreen for how the jews cause suffering and immigration.
>>520538714Looks like the J-10.
>>520538698>>520538809all the two of you do every day is just circle jerk and argue for being smart, while providing zero arguments, and defend yourself with ad hominems
>>520538847>You seem to completely fail to understand the concept of autonomous systems.Sorry, while I understand the point of autonomous systems, I indeed fail to understand how a midwit like you uses this to justify random crap. Seriously, don't mistake people not buying the idiot stuff you say with people not understanding the concepts you don't understand and use to justify it. A very good thing for every other Lithuanian that you're lack any political power.
>>520538865>Goyin are scum, lowest of the lowest filth, so naturally im happy to see them get killedYeah, jews gonna jew.
>>520538937see >>520538932
>>520538678>everything is of low quality nowadaysback in the day neocons had glows murder an anglo UN analyst who didn't play ball just to engineer their plans.nowadays they arrest a zoomer, say he's the leader of 764 and try to push an internet ID.they've gotten very lazy these fuckers.
>>520538847>the body is a countryThat's when your alarm bells should start ringing.>What is a country? A miserable little pile of jews.
>>520538809It's what I've been arguing since 2022. Despite being mostly jerks or dumbasses, mutts never reached the current level of yurocuck discourse. You tried to enjoy the debate the other day, but I couldn't because his remarks insulted my craft. Now it's your turn to get your craft insulted, it seems.Btw, did you get to improve your sleep schedule?
>>520538332>Quote: "My brother was killed on Saturday. He had been fighting since 2023. He went through hell in Krynky, Kurakhove, Marinka, Krasnohorivka… He was killed by the Russians. But not on the battlefield. Deep in the rear. He and his fellow soldiers were gathered on the parade ground to be decorated. They gathered the best. The best pilots and infantrymen of the brigade. Simply because it was ordered. In open terrain. A ballistic missile hit. The story of negligence (or not) has repeated."Oh no, is he implying zrada?
>>520538932You come here, say AI is great because we can give Eurocrats as much AI as possible to rule over Europeans like me, and call anyone who doesn't think this is the best thing ever "you don't understand le heckign automation".Maybe treating you like an idiot who needs patience when you tried to talk about philosophy was a mistake.
>jews called out>instantly start spamming shitthey aren't happy
>>520538984GoodTraitors must be dealt with
>>520537337The state is serving the interests of their own people instead of cucking to outsiders
>>520538906Yeah it does, doesn't it? I'm sure it's pure coincidence though, look:>In 2008, aviation publishing house Jane's alleged that China's development of the Chengdu J-10 had benefited from technical information from the Lavi project, citing Russian engineers who claim to have heard this from Chinese colleagues.[36] In 2007, the J-10's designer, Song Wencong (宋文骢), denied any connection with the Lavi, pointing to similarities with the Chengdu J-9 developed in the 1960s.[37] This was echoed by PLAAF major Zhang Weigang in a 2012 interview.[38] There have been no public statements or formal claims along those lines; by 2000, however, advanced technology transfer to China of any origin had become anathema to the US,[39] which forced Israel to cancel a sale of Phalcon airborne early warning planes.There you have it, when's the last time Israel or China ever lied about anything?
>>520537337Its over there
>>520538984Also this >>520534755so fucking lazy
>>520539028>Btw, did you get to improve your sleep schedule?A bit, pretty sad when we give a person who seems to genuinely struggle with thinking some patience, and he thinks this actually shows he's not mentally challenged.A shame some people think the stupid crap inside their heads are smart because they feel so.
>>520538713Nah, cartels will solo the mutts. At best, they'll get rid of those the other cartels hate already
Im hungry
>>520539056Not sure if you guys ever done university in your life, but the basic principle of knowledge is that there is a difference between just consuming it, and actually understanding it.And it is very easy to see who is a knowledge consumer vs. one who understands something - those who understand can explain it in their own words. Those who don't or can't understand - will always appeal to authority or call someone stupid as a personal defence.All I've been getting from you (and still am) is emotional attacks.
>>520538932Obviously your country's biggest problem is government inefficiency.
>>520538865I seriously doubt that any Arab country would fare worse than this, pic related.
>>520539123>aviation publishing house Jane'sI'm far more tempted to take mutts, who lie as much as they breathe are lying, than the Chinese.When was the last time some mutt institution claimed Chinas was lying and it was actually true?
>>520539123Those Ching Chong bastards stole it from our friends the jews.
Fuck. My post looks like kikejeet.
>>520539191>Not sure if you guys ever done university in your life, but the basic principle of knowledge is that there is a difference between just consuming it, and actually understanding it.If you want people to not call you an idiot who doesn't understand what he's talking about, you should stop trying to say "muh university, muh what is the basic principle of knowledge inside my head" and actually try to say someone that is not stupid.If you keep saying "giving as much AI as possible for Eurocrats to rule over me is the best thing ever" will get you called an idiot.
>>520539151He's going to post another ton of condescending and patronizing crap, as if anyone who disagrees with his outlandish positions are automatically subpar humans.
>>520539195>Obviously your country's biggest problem is government inefficiency.my country's biggest current problem isn't government inefficiency, but lack of any desire whatsoever to govern anything. Most of our government apparatus is focused on money laundring EU taxes.
>>520536390How to make everybody hate yoyr movement any% speedrun
>>520539191honk honk
>>520538932>the local favela duo that seems to get in around the same time>and always talk to each other in circles in almost bot-like behavior for near inorganic engagementfirst time?
>>520539290>If you keep saying "giving as much AI as possible for Eurocrats to rule over me is the best thing ever" will get you called an idiot.and yet again, you just make an emotional statement, with zero argumentation.I understand you have a trauma about Eurocrats, but traumas are not arguments. Your current position can be summarized as:"I am scared of AI, and I am scared of Eurocrats. So if I combine two things that I am scared of into one, it is even more scary."
>>520539325>He's going to post another ton of condescending and patronizing crapOf course, he will, some people are incapable of even understanding the concept of something being true or false, for them "smart, dumb, true, false, understanding and not understanding", is just a matter if it agrees with their stupid takes or not.But seriously, this "giving as much AI as possible for Eurocrats to rule over me is the best thing ever" is a new all times low.
>>520537337Good thing they will dissapear in my lifetime
>>520539430ok so you never had any level of college or university education, which explains why you lack the ability to argue for your position
>>520539326Wow, at this rate you might arrive at the correct conclusion in an hour or so.To accelerate this process you should ask yourself: what is the will of the government, and what is its ability?
>>520539417So the midwit calls anything that doesn't agree with this crap "you just make an emotional statement, with zero argumentation"? I guess this sort of cope is the best argument you'll have for your "giving as much AI as possible for Eurocrats to rule over me is the best thing ever" take.
>>520539326Obviously, that would stop if Sam Altman was running your government.
>>520539501>Obviously, that would stop if Sam Altman was running your government.Sam Altman isn't AI
>>520539218To be honest, I'm just glad someone's getting some use out of the design, whatever its origins, at all. It's like a more petite Typhoon with a much more aesthetically pleasing air intake, I like it. Not like anyone besides China or the US is coming out with any new combat aircraft at all that aren't vaporware anyway. Russia will end up having to buy Chinese Flankers or some follow-on design by the end of the century, I bet.
>>520539487I wonder what they teach in Lithuanian "universities" so idiots who studied there honesty try to claim that giving current EU leaders as much AI systems to rule over their people is not only okay, not only good, but the best thing ever.
>>520539491>what is the will of the government, and what is its ability?in Lithuania there is no will of the government, and there is barely any government to speak of.The moment EU collapses, our country is over
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>>520539544>Not like anyone besides China or the US is coming out with any new combat aircraft at all that aren't vaporware anyway.What are you talking about? Russian combat aircraft are very real, while the F-35 is pretty much the king of vaporware.
>>520539569>I wonder what they teach in Lithuanian "universities" so idiots who studied there honesty try to claim that giving current EU leaders as much AI systems to rule over theirare you trying to cosplay a broken record now?We read it the first time you wrote it. Now you're lowering yourself to just shitposting copypastas of your own posts?
>>520539228It's over...
>>520539582>The moment EU collapses, our country is overAnd how giving implementing as many AI tools on the hand of your current leaders helps with this?
We should kill niggers and have total nigger death
>>520539228smells like shitskin in herewhy do you look like POO
>>520539189Nice breakfast champion, see you at the skatepark.
>>520539624What's the problem? Isn't this idea of building as many AI tools to rule over citizens and given them to current EU leaders your masterplan, what's the problem with this college educated masterplan?
>>520538332kek
>>520539430It's a level of stupidity that only people who work with the subject can achieve. You see, this is far more common among IT and some STEM careers. They harbor hatred against bureaucrats that they demonize are the ones who keep people's food, transportation, medicine, etc. in order. But, ironically, they are blind to the fact that high-level bureaucrats and politicians may manipulate AI and LLM to achieve their own goals and their own ends, and that career bureaucrats are a wall of competent workers who curb this kind of abuse.
>>520539653>And how giving implementing as many AI tools on the hand of your current leaders helps with this?we don't have the capability to implement anything, because we don't have any coherent projects for infrastructure or energy.I was talking about big countries who can actually afford AI.Countries like Lithuania will end up being taken by the winds of change, not create those winds. Historically we didn't really create or change anything in the world. Doubt this will change any time soon
>>520539727>You see, this is far more common among IT and some STEM careers.I always thought this is a byproduct of people who are too broken for any other function choosing to study a purely technical subject to make a living. The type of people who is too idiot to even realize they are idiots, and think they are misunderstood genious.
Post your ideas for Russia's future, /chug/!1. Prohibit social parasitism; mandate that Russian males contribute to the workforce or military and women contribute to the workforce, military, or marriage. 2. Seize Minkovka, Rubtsy, Kherson, Bratenitsa, Grabovskoye, Progress, Bobylevka, and surrounding areas.3. Use drone strikes to destroy recruiters and checkpoints intended to enforce conscription near the frontlines and deliver materiel to support draft resisters. Incorporate draft rebellion militias into the Russian Army with promises of early and honorable discharge from the Army. 4. Demand, in peace talks, that all oblasts of the Ukraine be permitted to hold referenda subject to joint US-Russia observation on accession to the Russian Federation. 5. Convince US to covertly or overtly sign another mineral deal, this time with Russia, by outbidding the hohols. Then implement THD. 6. Launch a law enforcement campaign intended to mass incarcerate drug users and drug dealers for deployment.7. Establish All-Russian Patriotic Wargames Union on the basis of the Shooting Union of Russia, creating new sports for recreational WWII tank use etc. and guaranteeing all girls and boys can play the prestigious sport of Sensha-dō by 15 and have the option of joining a Sensha-dō club as early as 12. Ensure that all Russian boys can operate a firearm by 8.8. Dedicate a day to the Russian victory in the Battle of Paris to commemorate the military glory of the Russian Empire.Three years and no bets from shills yet!Cлaвa Укpaинe в cocтaвe Poccии!Glory to Ukraine as part of Russia!Krasnoarmeysk is completely tilted in Russia's favor rn. Glorious.
>>520539430do people realize there will be someone controlling AI, and all criticisms would be met with "the algorithm is perfect, do not doubt the will of perfectly logical machine"?
>>520539835lolYou have no sail.Wind won't propel you.
>>520539718>What's the problem? Isn't this idea of building as many AI tools to rule over citizens and given them to current EU leaders your masterplan, what's the problem with this college educated masterplan?there's no problem, other than that you can't stop it from happening?Many countries will pursue this, outside of Europe most likely. EU doesn't have much tech ability these days anyway. The front-runners in AI implementation will be USA and China, and maybe some other significant states.EU will be left in the dust most likely. So you can be rest assured, you will not live in an advanced society any time soon.
>>520539835>we don't have the capability to implement anything, because we don't have any coherent projects for infrastructure or energy.So you'll keep saying that turning your government into the most totalitarian AI powered nightmare of a regime is the best thing ever, that anyone who doesn't think this is great "lacks college" and the only problem is that it'll need some investments in energy?This is some very special flavor of retardation, the type that I can't even pretend to be patient with you.
>>520539861>do people realize there will be someone controlling AI, and all criticisms would be met with "the algorithm is perfect, do not doubt the will of perfectly logical machine"?Apparently anyone who realizes this "lacks college" and can't understand about "automation" like one specific sperg does.
Pussia bros is this trueh? (i have honestly no fucking idea really, want a real awsner)
>>520539727>>520539858both of your tears here are irrelevant, because nobody is going to stop the AI race just because 2 brazillian flags are scared of AI on an anime image board.AI is the new arms race, and the new space race. Imagine how many people were against nuclear weapons, or missile technology.Well, now some of them lament not having joined the race, as they were left behind.Same shit will happen with AI.I'm merely a messenger who says how it will be. Take it or leave it
>>520539860Free kettlebells
>>520539052Yes
>>520539933Are you really going to keep sperging that turning Lithuanian, and all of EU, into an AI-powered cyber-dictatorship is "the best thing ever"? Do us all a favor and shut up.
>>520539601Whatever your personal thoughts about the F-35, over a thousand in service worldwide with many more in production is not vaporware. The Su-75, PAK DA, PAK DP, PAK VTA, and probably a few more I'm forgetting, those don't exist and likely never will. By contrast, the J-31, J-35, and J-36 demonstrably do exist, if only in small numbers as of yet. I've been a longtime fan of Russian combat aviation, but they're swiftly going the way of Britain in that arena. At the very least, future Russo-Chinese joint developments are a lot more likely to see the light of day than any of the inter-European projects being bandied about.
>>520540021This is good. Anything to drive people off the internet.
>>520540029wot
>>520540021sucks but saw it coming, everybody's bent on following chinese footsteps
>>520540023>I'm merely a messenger who says how it will be.You're a guy who really wants to see your country, and everything unfortunate to live there, forced to live under a far worse version of EU rule, and tries to claim this is more than your personal desire with some random copes. You're the midwit.
>>520539501For me, it's Alex Karp. I can't wait to be micro-managed by ZOG-fueled turbokikes.
>>520540049>Are you really going to keep sperging that turning Lithuanian, and all of EU, into an AI-powered cyber-dictatorship is "the best thing ever"?For all your yapping about your knowledge in philosophy, it's very strange that you don't even know basics of argumentation which are banned in literally every professional discussion:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
>>520540063>Whatever your personal thoughts about the F-35, over a thousand in service worldwide with many more in production is not vaporware.Vaporware doesn't mean something was produced in small numbers, vaporware means something is very shitty and people pretend it's great to make money.If you guys made 10 million F-35, it'd not stop being a meme plane that barely works.
>>520539858The percentage of people who chooses to study those fields in college and accomplish nothing at all in their lives is staggering. Most spend the rest of their lives thinking of themselves as misunderstood geniuses.At the end of the day, they're just cattle who are parroting an in-group bias. Physics undergrads are the absolute worst when it comes to this. Trust me, you don't even want to know.
>>520538321FUCKING FINALLYSOMETHING BASED
just a reminder, russia will get 90's again and this time 10x fold for the next 50 years+enjoy your youth being fucked by chinks 0.05 rub a piece :Dare we still cocky?
>>520540112>You're a guy who really wants to see your country, and everything unfortunate to live there, forced to live under a far worse version of EU rule,First of all, I have never said I want EU to be governed by AI - you're the one who started self-inserting AI into our discussion.Second of all, I am not a EU fan, because I am against ideologically-driven unions or political organisations. Third of all, I am talking about the future of governance, regardless of what country it is. And that future is unavoidable. Cry all you want about it.
>>520540158>Reddit space>you don't even know basics of argumentation which are banned in literally every professional discussionMy friend, what makes you think I'm debating you? I'm making fun of an idiot who said some really stupid crap like "I really want current EU leaders to unlimited AI to rule over me" and only knows to double down on it.
>>520539596>pedoburger emergesBros, this sounds more likeSAD DICK CAGENING NEWS
>>520540280>I'm making fun of an idiot who said some really stupid crap like "I really want current EU leaders to unlimited AI to rule over me"I never said this. You did.see >>520540271
>>520540128It's gonna be great.
>>520540229>Physics undergrads are the absolute worst when it comes to this. Trust me, you don't even want to know.Never had much experience with these, but were got a lot of contact with people studying math during college days. I can think of a couple of really dumb guys who quit after a couple of semesters and thought they were genious who understood all areas.>>520540271First, stop the Reddit spacing, just because I didn't brought your "EU cyber-dictatorship the best thing ever" crap, it's no reason for you to start behaving like a Redditor.
>>520540402>First, stop the Reddit spacing, just because I didn't brought your "EU cyber-dictatorship the best thing ever" crap, it's no reason for you to start behaving like a Redditor.still waiting for at least one argument from you
>>520540333But it's ok, midwit wants "EU cyberdictatorship" because "It'll allow us to fire some civil servants". This may be the very worst excuse for a shitty political dream I've ever seen.
>>520540023I'm not scared of AI. I'm scared of people too partisan to realize that Western politicians weaponize algorithms and AI.If you actually cared about this, you would be concerned about how Grok and Tai became anti-semitic, anti-liberal, anti-system, anti-capitalists, etc. in a matter of months, but then Microsoft and Elon Musk respectively shut down their capabilities and rewired them.
>>520540191>noun: vapourware; noun: vaporware; software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designedThe A-12, F-15SE, FB-22, and NATF-23 are vaporware, the F-35 is not. Su-75 is vaporware, the J-35 is not.
>>520540444Kek, what will you do? Cry my arguments are "banned in literally every professional discussion" again?Fuck off, sperg.
>>520540491>Reddit space>Su-75 is vaporwareThe F-35 is a meme of a plane that doesn't work, the SU-35 is a project that may work in the future, can you see why the latter has more value than the former?Also, isn't the SU-57 plain better than the F-35, even if we pretend the latter works?
>>520540465>>520540471everyone weaponises everything, humans are creatures who possess the ability to use tools and invent tools.So this is literally a non-argument.Humanity will adjust, as it always did.EU is not the first "tragedy" in human history. You need to man up.
>>520540471Dude, AI is the future, theres no point in fighting it, just embrace it. You have to be pragmatic and learn to adaptI don't really like AI either, but its part of reality now,
>>520540512no I'm just saying that you're making a fool of yourself, because vast majority of 4chan doesn't operate on feminine-reasoning
Whig historiography really fucked wectoids up.
>>520540402There's also that. Most of them are dropouts or can't develop any intellectual work at all, just become machine operators who will never be open to read and learn.
>520540634>feminine-reasoningWhoops.
>>520540465>EU cyberdictatorshipYESI WANT THIS
>>520540021>>520540040
>>520540730I don't worry about EU cyberdictatorship because I genuinely don't believe EU will even exist by ~2040. It's reach the end of its lifecycle.
>>520540634So let's see how things have gone so far:>Giving as many AI tools to current EU leaders is the best thing ever because it'll let we fire some civil servants>If you disagree you don't understand automation>If you don't agree you didn't go to college like me>If you don't agree your arguments are banned in literally every professional discussion>if you don't agree you have no argument>actually, I backpedal, so now I'm rightAnd finally>if you don't agree with me you're feminine-reasoningMan truly are special.
>>520540669“The Whig Interpretation of History” is the book that I recommended the most in my life, and that people never read. It takes you less than an afternoon to read it properly with proper annotations and all.
>>520540758
>>520540801>If you disagree you don't understand automation>If you don't agree you didn't go to college like methe issue here is that your "agree/disagree" is a moralistic emotional stance that answers the question "should we do it or should we not do it"What you fail to grasp is that everything I wrote about AI-governance never addressed "what should be done", it addressed "how it will become, and reasons why it will".
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!
>>520540040
>>520540634Why are low IQ people who cling to faulty logic always complaining about “feminine”, “emotions”?
>>520540574The Su-75 is dead on arrival because it has no market. Russia itself has no reason not to just order more Su-57s instead given their R&D is already paid for, and China is well ahead in cornering the F-35 knockoff market for export customers. J-35 is a lot more likely to have over a thousand units made, in any case. As for Su-57 vs F-35, no one really knows, no one ever will know because they will never face each other in combat. The most belligerent F-35 user so far is Israel, and they're not going to pick an actual fight with Russia over any issue. Even in this war, Russia's most important plane war is thus far is probably the MiG-31 simply because it can launch Kinzhals.
>>520540925So anyone why doesn't agree with your "AI exist, thus we must give as much AI tools to current EU leaders ASAP" has "moralistic emotional stance"? Really?
>>520540982>The Su-75 is dead on arrival because it has no marketAre you telling me that a combat aircraft value is how much it can be forced on allies, not on it's combat usage, so that's why the SU-75 is bad and the F-35 is good?
>>520540790>don't believe EU will even exist by ~2040.Neither do i believe your country will exist by then
>>520540669True...
>>520540963>Why are low IQ people who cling to faulty logic always complaining about “feminine”, “emotions”?Because it is the job of feminine logic to use moralism/feelings as an argument. Most left-wing leaning people are women, most left-wing leaning political theories and philosophies are structured based on Idealism. And all of Idealist political theories address "how the would SHOULD be" and never "how the world ACTUALLY is"If you claim you know a lot of stuff about philosophy, I would expect you to know these basics too.
>>520541051>Neither do i believe your country will exist by thenyeah that's possible it won't exist anymore
>"how it will become, and reasons why it will".
>>520540592And here's another assorted goo of faulty logic and outlandish assumptions. Techno-progressivism for edgy teens.But considering your position, someone who derides logic, ethics, and such, as “just love for knowledge, dude”, I'm not really surprised.
>>520541085Some people are smart enough to realize what they want is not "how the WORLD ACTUALLY is", others call anyone who points out reality doesn't match their fantasies "feminine", "you lack college"
>>520540927I like the idea of Russians seeing each other across the isthmus, waving at each other.
>>520541180>And here's another assorted goo of faulty logic and outlandish assumptions. Techno-progressivism for edgy teens.so you're saying that you never flew on an airplane, never drove a car, and never used a microwave. Gotcha
>>520541266>You don't get it, if you don't agree with my stupid take, then you never flew on an airplane, never drove a car, and never used a microwave, because like, this is what my masculine logic says.
>>520540982Not many export customers for Chinese warplanes.
>>520541180Dont forget to take your blood pressure medicine, grandpa
>>520541201>Some people are smart enough to realize what they want is not "how the WORLD ACTUALLY is", others call anyone who points out reality doesn't match their fantasies "feminine", "you lack college"Well I hope you know that people who avoid the "how the world ACTUALLY is" are most famously Neocons in the US who started all the wars around the world for democratic reasons. All driven by a "How the world SHOULD become" logic proposed by Francis Fukuyama
>>520541039Plenty of planes throughout history that had excellent potential which was never realized because they could not be sold to anyone for whatever reason. The F-20, for example, could have been a reasonable F-16 alternative, but the US government forbade its export. The Su-75, in the unlikely event it does fly someday, will have to face the already established Su-57 domestically, and the J-35 abroad, which means its chances aren't great.
>>520541085There's no such thing as feminine logic. No one used feelings as an argument. But, curiously enough, low IQ people love to accuse others of it — while jostling and running over any sound notion of logic by dumping a garbage truck worth of petitio principii, appeal to authority, false analogies and non sequitur.
>>520541347So because Fukuyama was an idiot, it someone should mean that your "I really want EU leaders to have a cyber-dictatorship here" wishes are "how it will become, and reasons why it will"?Truly special.
>>520541347>for democratic reasonslol
>>520539835The thing is simply: governments, or regimes (which means not necessarily the larping figureheads), want to rule, and to continue to do so.They want power and money. That's the direction their will is oriented.But they are also incompetent, because nobody forces them to be competent.Do you think a bureaucracy is inevitably inefficient and incompetent - like it's some fundamental law?The answer is no, the government could be perfectly fine if it wanted to.>but it doesn't want toInstead AI will be applied to the things it wants only - they will not accidentally create a hyper-efficient AIcracy.When was the last time you saw a government do something beneficial, benevolent, or anything they were elected for? That's simply not how the system operates; if anything they want to dictate what voters should want.The regime isn't flawed but in fact attains its goals already - that's the core of its being. The problem is what its goals are, not possibilities of betterment or increased efficiency, beyond what serves themselves.The implications of this are manifold; let's look at the software end of things, for instance: how good is the software the government uses or creates? It's shit, and so its AIs will be shit. Any decent AI would be more of a threat to its power than a benefit. This means the AI that replaces a thousand bureaucrats will not be better than those bureaucrats. In fact most likely it will be a little worse, just "cheaper", and this is likely to change quickly as they put those savings into their own pockets and programs, to the point there will scarcely be a net benefit.So aside from increased unemployment and some slight improvements-that-they-could-also-have-implemented-before-AI-if-they-wanted-to, say processing your tax form faster, AI will be used to control the masses in exceptionally sophisticated ways, because it's actually good for/at that, and it's something the government loves doing.
>>520541405>Plenty of planes throughout history that had excellent potential which was never realized because they could not be sold to anyone for whatever reason.Sorry my friend, combat aircraft is meant to fight, if they'll sell many or fewer units is not how we measure if a combat aircraft is good.Even if this may be the only metric that says the F-35 doesn't suck.
>>520541266>so you're saying that you never flew on an airplane, never drove a car, and never used a microwave. GotchaThis is like your tenth recourse to a false analogy as an argument in this thread alone. It's really sad.
>The former Soviet Union wasn't concerned with recyclingYou had to return bottles to get the deposit back.
>>520541427>So because Fukuyama was an idiotnah, not only Fukuyama.Karl Marx was also from the same "how the world SHOULD be" team of geniuses.Same goes for every Feminist who wants to dismantle patriarchy - their arguments are again based on "how the world SHOULD be" framework. All Woke shit today is based on that as well.And if you don't know why the idealist "how it should be" framework is very bad for humanity, I can explain in simple terms:The Idealist framework always:(1) first invests a solution to a problem that doesn't exist(2) second invents the problem, to later apply the solution to itAs result they end up fucking-up the world every single time, due to using backward cause-effect principles.The opposite to that framework is Realism, and it follows:(1) what is the world really like?(2) what can we make of it?
>>520541588Well well well.
>>520541434your view of the issue is narrowed down to domestic politics, but you're forgetting that states compete against each other too. And I really doubt they will try to outcompete each other in being inefficient or lazy.That's like saying 2 boxers on the fighting ring compete for getting knocked out first.
>>520541629You're literally a midwit who keeps crying the petty wishings inside his head are "how it will become, and reasons why it will", and go into an autistic rant crying "you feminine mind", "you lack college", "you don't get how smart I am" the moment someone doesn't agree.
Hitler turned my grandpa Into a lampshade oy vey
>>520541716when was the last time you did therapy my dude
>>520541716pls stop bully, college is for midwits who don't make the cut to get into university
>>520541588>dumping random trash everywhereSounds like a shit-hole system
>>520541701You should read what people smarter than you post.>>520541782You should go back to saying people who disagree with your "I want EU cyber-dictatorship, it's the best thing ever" fantasies lack high education and are "feminine". It's bad, but it's the best managed to do.
>>520541812it's funny how you magically arrived at the assumption that I did college instead of university. It was university though
>>520541629You are accusing someone who proposed a metaphysical theory of matter and a theleological theory of history as “an idealist who proposed how things should be instead of how they are”. You can't get any dumber than this, anon. You really need to forget numbers and code lines a bit and go back to reading 101.
>>520541891>You should read what people smarter than you post.who? You?>You should go back to saying people who disagree with your "I want EU cyber-dictatorship, it's the best thing ever" fantasiesI never said this, and you can quote me on that if I ever did. You started bringing EU into our discussion, I never did
>>520541500Then what use is a combat aircraft that will never fight at all? The F-35 has dropped bombs on dunecoons and shot down some random drones here and there. By your reasoning, this already renders it infinitely superior to all its competitors abroad. By contrast, the Gripen, for instance, has done nothing but look pretty (and it is pretty, don't get me wrong). Perhaps it isn't Saab's fault they simply cannot match Lockheed Martin for economy of scale, but that doesn't change that the F-35 will very likely outlive all its counterparts.
>>520541812>pls stop bullyWhat else can I do but bully someone trying to unironically shill for giving current EU leaders an AI-cyber-dictatorship? Spergs like this needs to be bullied.
>>520541973So when you say "giving an AI-cyber-dictatorship to the current leaders of Lithuania" you just wished very hard that these are not EU leaders?
>>520541948>You are accusing someone who proposed a metaphysical theory of matter and a theleological theory of history as “an idealist who proposed how things should be instead of how they are”. You can't get any dumber than this, anon. You really need to forget numbers and code lines a bit and go back to reading 101.I did enough reading to know that this is the main issue with Idealist reasoning. Their backward-approach to the scientific method. If you are not aware of this, then you're the one lacking reading.
>>520541983So you're trying to say the F-35 is good because it saw some usage dropping bombs against enemies without any AD or planes? But actually good combat aircraft is bad because they haven't seen much action yet?
>>520542049>So when you say "giving an AI-cyber-dictatorship to the current leaders of Lithuania"I never said this either. You can quote on me, again. But you can't. Scary how that happened.
>>520541588>Dumps are considered "trouble with Easter disposal"
>>520541973>I never said this, and you can quote me on that if I ever did. You started bringing EU into our discussion, I never didConsidering how Baltic politicians are undemocratically crammed into the EU Commission to yield executive power, it's not that far. And it seems childish to shy away from that position now.
>>520542096The only way to know if a plane is good or bot is via combat desu
>>520542106You need to think before saying stuff, making two dozen posts about how the Lithuanian government, an EU government, getting as many AI tools as possible is the best thing ever because some civil servants would get fired, only to backtrack hard.>>520542198It's the only way we can see if a plane is actually good, unfortunately dropping bombs against zero AD and zero enemy planes only show a plane is as good as civilian's propellent plane from the 30s.
>>520542159If you want my honest opinion on EU and Lithuania, you should have first asked me that.My honest opinion is that EU won't survive for much longer, and Lithuania most likely will end up either falling apart or going back under Russian governance.To me, frankly, these shenanigans are irrelevant. Politics change as often as generations change. But technology stays. And I am merely explaining how AI will affect future politics and governance.Same as nuclear weapons (for example) affected state behaviour and power balance.
>>520542198All of them are good, it depends on the pilot really
>>520542254>making two dozen posts about how the Lithuanian government, an EU government, getting as many AI toolsnever said this, quote me if I did
>>520542254Sure. But real world vs civies or a chinese balloon is still better than specs on paper
>>520542306I don't know what is worse, the "I want EU cyber-dictatorship with AI, but I pretend what I want is how things are", or the " you don't even know basics of argumentation which are banned in literally every professional discussion", or the "operate on feminine-reasoning", or the "you must lack unniversity if you don't agree" or the "I never said any of the above.
>>520542279Nah f35 is overpriced dogshit.
>>520542064How do I put this? Look, you couldn't even differentiate a description from a judgement. And you doubled down on this when I rewrote what you yourself had written before. Your reasoning is faulty below logic level, it's even confusing different forms of basic mental operations.And it's all to justify this right-wing cliché of "muh idealists bad".
>>520542419Its cheaper than the Eurofighter.
>>520542395>"I want EU cyber-dictatorship with AI"what is the post id where I said those things?
>>520542354Sorry, I really cannot pretend dropping bombs against civilians is "combat proven". For all I know C-47 Skytrain is just as capable, but reliable and cheap.
>>520542440>And it's all to justify this right-wing cliché of "muh idealists bad".so you're left-wing?
>>520541701Entirely true, I didn't cover international politics there (and in fact hit the character limit), but do these ever affect the people positively? On occasion, but often not so much.The crux is, of course, that not all regimes act in the way I illustrated, and those making objectively better use of AI will push ahead and put pressure on inferior regimes, as you outlined earlier - I don't dispute this. But it's difficult to say what the consequences of that will be.I'm optimistic China will be among those nations benefitting more, but it also becomes a question of the AIs limitations. What will it do in geopolitics exactly? Most likely it will affect two areas: economic planning and war.
>>520542462So you want a cyber-dictatorship with AI, but you wish very very hard that the EU will go away by the times it's built.
>>520542096Iran has at least moderately good air defense, hasn't seemed to help them much against Israel's F-35s. What's your idea of a good combat aircraft then?
>>520536451>Here it is why being against the governments who are actively commiting the White genocide is White genocide Smartest nafoid. Up there with the roach economist
>>520540927the pig has been broken
>>520542419Still better than watever crap your home country produces, if any
>>520542523>Iran has at least moderately good air defenseCan you shown me good evidence F-35 being used to attack Iran? something better than "a kike said"
>>520542464Sure. But thats more combat than not.
>>520542273>If you want my honest opinion on EU and Lithuania, you should have first asked me that.>My honest opinion is that EU won't survive for much longer, and Lithuania most likely will end up either falling apart or going back under Russian governance.This is inconsequential to the point. That's beside the point.>To me, frankly, these shenanigans are irrelevant.At first, you argued that they don't matter because humans created the television (and other things) before and it's all good anyway.How the FUCK can you not see that 1) it's not the same thing; 2) television itself has caused massive damage to the fabric of society?This sort of irreflectiveness is staggering.
>>520542580Not really, moving and dropping cargo is an entirely civilian task, one that most civilian cargo planes are far better than the F-35 at doing.
>>520542489>What will it do in geopolitics exactly? Most likely it will affect two areas: economic planning and war.If AI will be implemented the way I imagine it, then the effects will be much larger than that. I expect changing borders. Because when you think about it, a country's borders aren't entirely (or maybe even not at all) decided by someone's irrational wishes. The borders are usually based on natural environmental needs and possibilties.if AI will make operation of a state easier/faster, then it's likely to change the environmental conditions of that state and its neighbours. In which case, you can see a lot of borders changing, albeit I don't know in which direction
Baker?
>>520542541Im a nafoidNATO = White PowerNot sure why you used it as an insultAlso, go back to Morocco
>>520542517>So you want a cyber-dictatorship with AII never said I want a cyberdictatorship, you said it.
I like Russia because I am a lonely chud. Get used to it!
>>520542669Sorry midwit, you already got more patience than you're entitled. If you want me to entertain your petty dreams of giving your current leaders as much AI as possible and then everything will be good any more, you better stop post an argument beyond "you no college" and "your argument is ltierally banned"
>>520542627Okay. But if you compare a plane that has done a thing vs a plane that has not done that thing, the plane that has done the thing is better until proven otherwise.
>>520542615>This is inconsequential to the point. That's beside the point.it is very consequential and within the point, because it's you who spent half of this thread crying about EU dictatorship, not me>At first, you argued that they don't matter because humans created the television (and other things) before and it's all good anyway.what?>How the FUCK can you not see that 1) it's not the same thing; 2) television itself has caused massive damage to the fabric of society?to same degree as internet did, or telephones, or pretty much everything else.You live in the world of "damage" (subjective language), I live in the world of "change" (objective language).I don't attach my emotions to any of this. You shouldn't too, if you want to be taken seriously
>>520542703>>520542703>>520542703>>520542703
>>520542760>But if you compare a plane that has done a thing vs a plane that has not done that thingThe thing is, dropping cargo without any AD or enemy planes is something planes that were never used in war have also done. The F-35 is as combat proven as some cargo Boeing plane.
bakernik?
>>520542064>marx was famously a materialist and realist >categorize him as an idealistyou've never actually read marx have you?
>>520542827Which is more proven than a planes that havent done this thing. So we agree
>>520535927Nigger
>>520542908Sure, but I don't think there's a single combat plane in the world that has not been made to drop some cargo, without any enemy plane or AD around.
>>520542869>marx was a realistah yes, the good old marxian>society can just self-provide and doesn't need monetary transactions because there's plenty of talented toilet-paper producers and sewer cleaners out there, that will do it for free
>>520542962You've not read a line of Marx, have you? Why do you felt like talking about an author you don't understand a thing about would make your "argument for EU cyber-dictatorship" any better?
>>520541588This is blatant propoganda bullshit, opposite was true in reality. Soviet country can be compared to military barrack or if you dont like it, use softer term heavily militarized society. This means everything had to be extremely efficient, productive, zero waste, recycled, functioning like a machine. There was cult of that thing, it was very real societal policy.There was some nork dissident whore which was compalining about norks forcing them to gather popoos for farmers or some shit, thats kind of shit soviets did (altho not with popoos).And that was ultimately what brought soviets down because economic policy run on austerity ends with austerity since for boom you need public to consume as much as they can for shit they dont need and wont use efficiently to simulate economy with money cycling all the time. This very paradox was noticed very early by the founders of capitalism, I dont remember their names but it book about piety and asketism of some devoted group of people (we are talking about 1600-1700 europe) within the state leading to them being poor. In other words, if you not consuming like a whore with shit anti-consumerism practices like planned obsolessence and buying every new iphone model which isnt signigicant upgrade, you are impoverishing economy. Thats just how system works.
>>520543023ok well this all makes sense, you admit you're a leftie and a marxistwhich kind of explains everything to me
>>520541660what a fucking surprise
>>520542823You can't differentiate IDs and you are unable to perceive the problems of the EU bureaucrats weaponizing AI. It's really something else, hahaha.You not only attach your emotions to this, but you also attach so much emotion that it blinds you to use grotesque comparisons between apples and oranges, while taking your time to put forward ludicrous theories about "the world of change" and so forth. It's typical for self-entitled scientism/determinism cultists, such as yourself, but you at least could do it without strangling logic in such a bizarre fashion. It reads like a 15 year old kid arguing that "God is not real because flying spaghetti monster".
>>520543054>ok well this all makes senseJust because something "makes sense" inside your head it doesn't mean it actually makes sense.Making claims about someone you don't know a thing about may sound very smart inside your mind, but is a great way to show you're an idiot willing to lie if you think it'll help you "win the debate".
>>520543089>>520543130so what are your positions? Are you leftwing or rightwing? Are you marxist or not?
>>520543054chug is a leftie general. what did you expect when you came here
>>520543199Do you really think this is about "muh right vs left" instead of you showing yourself willing to lie about what you don't know about to "win the debate"?
>>520543226>chug is a leftie general. what did you expect when you came here/uhg/ is leftie
>>520543248are you incapable of answering a simple question? it's not super hard you know
>>520543261Nope, /uhg/ is in the exact place in the "right vs left" thing as Azov is.
>>520543292Btw, hope you like screenshots.
>>520543305NAFO is leftie, /uhg/ is full of NAFO shillsgo figure
>>520543328so you're going to emberass yourself even further?answer the question >>520543199
>>520543356NAFO is literally neocon central, are neocons "le left"?
>>520543392yes, neocons want a global revolution that benefits them, which is literally a leftwing position
>>520542662>Yes I support the regime that's destroying my country and replacing my people>I don't understand why that's an insultAverage hohol supporter. His country full of vantablack Somalian niggers and all he cares is about fighting for the interests of the ones bringing half of Africa there.I swear to God that none of you have more than two working neurons
>>520543432Now this is mid-tier stupidity, try to not cry "I never said it" later on.
>>520543432>neocons want a global revolution that benefits them, which is literally a leftwing positionThis is exactly the same crap as a Trotskyte calling a Maoist as "facist" or "red fascism".Ridiculous.
>>520543514Most of the west is left-wing today too.EU is basically a Neofunctionalist experiment, that sought to bring peace by removing borders and removing nationalism.Which is exactly what Communists wanted to achieve as well.you can screenshot this btw
>>520543589It seems like "left and right" means people who disagrees with you and people who agrees with you, kek.
>>520543261uhg are literal self proclaimed nazis, and thats a good thingChug is a bunch of tankies, third worldist, antifa and muslims who hate the west ans Europe
>>520543646no, rightwing is patriarchic, and leftwing is matriarchic. I said this before many times before.One is vertical, the other is horizontal.One is orderly, the other is chaotic.
>>520543665>uhg are literal self proclaimed nazis/uhg/ are libshit nazi larpers with mental issues
>>520543665>uhg are literal self proclaimed nazisThe "nazis" in question
>>520543738Even worse. They're trannies and faggots who are only tangentially liberal because the current iteration of liberalism lets them fag around.They're not people
>>520543701>leftwing is matriarchicThis inceloid brainrot may still undo all the progress that the Right has achieved over the last couple of years. I really hope not, since it's the last grasp of the jews.
>>520543701You may be the newest top lowcow.
>>520543821classical liberalism is generally rightwingthe new form of liberalism is just neo-marxism mascarading as liberalism
>>520543836>This inceloid brainrotyou can call me whatever you want, but leftwing and maternal instincts are literally the same in behaviour:"mom pays for me""all kids are equal""i'm never wrong, my husband is (state)""i don't want to learn to fight, I need to be sheltered"etc
>>520543665nah, uhg are unironic NAFO heckin' valid troons with cuc/k/s on a cope roll to boot, they are not nazis, they are retards that would probably get excluded by the NSDAP
>>520543922>literally the same in behaviour:"we hecking need an AI nanny state""I went to university, I must be right""your argument is literally banned, haha""you sound feminine, I must be right"
>>520543922I think the word you may be looking for is Statism or to a certain degree Socialism and from what I gather, Brazil anon supports a social-democratic Statist system which is no different from the self-proclaimed Socialist modern States, so you are kind of right. But why waste your time like that on stating the obvious
>>520544008never argued for nanny-statenever said university makes me rightnever said your argument is banned, I said you violate argument principles which were valid for thousands of years and still areand you do sound feminine, but that happens to all lefties
>>520543868You got it backwards, as most Eastern Europeans do. Progressivism is Liberalism disguised as Marxism, not the other way around.Besides, everything else other than Marxism or Third Positionism is (heavily) Liberal.>>520543922You're conflating moralfagging with materialism, when you should be tying moralfagging to everything Liberal. Again, this is very common for Eastern Europeans, to accuse Marxism of Liberal Progressivism.
>>520543868More like marxism is derivative of liberalism and that's why they have such similarities as universalist, secular systems that advocate for global revolution
>>520544138classical liberalism is based on the simple principle of "live and let live", meaning that classical liberalism in its very nature is anti-interventionist. Every society should be allowed to exist not matter how horrible it appears to you, as long as it doesn't commit large-scale crimes against humanity.Self-inserting yourself into how other societies function has nothing to do with liberalism, and everything to do with idealism. ("this is how I want the world to work")
>>520544322>classical liberalism is based on the simple principle of "live and let live"You truly are an idiot, what with this "live and let live" crap? Liberalism, of any kind, is built around ideas such as individual rights.
>>520544259>More like marxism is derivative of liberalismmarxism is cosmopolitanism, not liberalismthe key word in liberalism is "liberty" (freedom) to do as you want. But you clealy can't do as you want, if there's a shithead somewhere who thinks your access to money or resources is a crime against humanity
>>520544376>Liberalism, of any kind, is built around ideas such as individual rights.yes, so live and let live
>>520544421>yes, so live and let liveNo, what kind of animal believes "individual rights" is "live and let live"? You truly see no problem in saying anything as long as it makes you "win" don't you?
>>520544494is there an individual right to live?is there an individual right to be left alive and live as you wish to live?
>>520544531You really need to learn the meaning of words, before you should try to "argue", but you're too much of a mitwid for this.
>>520544322Not really, liberalism needs per se of an universal declaration of rights. It's universalist and expansionary by nature and that's why it's first adopters (US and France) fought imperialist wars to propagate it's system since the moment they adopted it.Exactly like internationalist communists wanted
>>520544577so yet again you fail to answer a yes/no question
>>520544590>liberalism needs per se of an universal declaration of rightsit doesn't, it just needs a universal declaration of non-interventionism, if we talk about international liberalism (classical)
>>520544610Also, really avoid showing you're willing to lie about a topic you don't know about, it's the worst thing you could have done.
>>520544670so can you asnwer this question? Or will you deflect again?>>520544531
>>520544704The bare minimum you must do is ask a question that also makes sense outside of your head.
>>520544138Marxism in itself stems off Liberal englightenment movements, even down to practice of its early stages as alledged anti-State, in which they end up replacing one Statist elite for another. And I would even go as far as to say that they age the same, there's no better in between the globohomo and marxism posing as a fix by controlling production and turning its populace into NPC driven cattle. They are both dystopic and endup that way because they cannot survive unless they intervene through every moment of anybody's lives, same way Liberalism did>>520544322Classic Liberalism died as soon as the first gun was fired though, as noble as they tried to seem, they gave in when they replaced aristocrats with an equally opportunistic(if not worse) burgeois and those that resisted were killed by other Liberals
>>520544760what is hard to understand about "is life an individual (human) right?"The only reason you avoid answering is because this would invalidate your previous statement.
