The West still failed to supply Ukraine with functional air defence systems after 3.5 years of war. All major cities in Ukraine in darkness and cold only after one precise attack. Effectiveness of Western AA: zero. We wont have Ukrainian flags on /pol/ for months now (except of Russian-occupied regions) only because Trump refused to supply another wunderwaffe after Abrams, F-16, Himars, MEROPS, ATACMS, Patriots, NASAMS, M777, M109, Javelins, M141 bunker defeat munition, AGM-114 hellfire, MQ-9 Reaper, Bradleys, Strykers, M113, all versions of AN/TPQ/TPY, Excalibur, GMLRS, ERAM, AIM-7, RIM-7, AIM-9M, depleted uranium tank shells, coastal defence Harpoon, MRAP vehicles, JLTVs, Phoenix Ghost, Switchblades, etc etc.Only Tomahawks are this thing that can make Ukraine win xDhttps://x.com/avalaina/status/1987194928217162066
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>>520963005>le west failed to>reee gibs for war!ukraine isn’t part of (((the west))) so why would it be (((the west’s))) responsibility to arm them? kys you retarded jewish nigger
>>520963005Surrender, simple as.
The Ukrainians would be doing better if they would fortify fallback positions and retreat into them instead of dying in meat grinders for pride.They need to use the clauswitian friction to tear apart the Russians as the Russians move over land that was intentionally let go when they get put in a pincer instead of bleeding men. They need to get rid of their politically connected Slav generals and think like a German
>>520963043>>520963211>>520963340/nu/pol really is low IQ and brown. OP is clearly clowning on Ukraine.
>>520963005If a country can't fight its own wars then it doesn't need to existYes that goes for Israeli kikes tooI denounce the TalmudFuck Ukraine
why does this russian retard post these seething threads all day, and why is he in poland?
>>520963043fpbp>>520963005Perhaps bombing Russia's energy infrastructure wasn't such a good idea if they didn't want Russia to bomb their energy infrastructure
>>520963356they need to surrenderit doesn't matter who wins>gulaghomo vs globohomowhen their demographics are already a lost cause
>>520963005> functional air defence systemsNigger, there no air defense capable of defending against hundreds of drones. Specifically low cost drones.
>>520963591any air defense system gibs will never actually be used in Ukrainethey will be sold for pennies on the dollar to Israel
>>520963005I've spoken to a couple "refugees" from Ukraine and they are some of the most spoiled, entitled, narcissistic plebs I've met who think we should put our own safety on the line for them. When I said what if we don't want to? They literally divided by 0.
>>520963441>why is he in poland?I run a covert pro-Russian propaganda-spy center under a brand of a dating service matching Polish teen girls with 60 IQ subsaharan negroes. This way i take money both from Russia and British NGOs for better cover-up.
>>5209630051.5 million dead russians. Think it will reach the 2 million mark by the end of the year? Think So. They are getting owned.
>>520963340You are correct.
>>520963386>actually reads the entire postsorry, you’re jewish and need to lurk moar
>>520963995i thought they still had lynch mobs on Poland.
520964036weeeek bayte
tomahawks start world war 3 since the Russian Air Defense can't tell if they're packing nuclear warheads.And the US and Europe don't have air defense to give because the "Iron Dome" and the Patriot missiles can't do shit. They're garbage now and always were garbage. The Iraq missiles were never "shot down" by Israel. Those were just boosters falling down by their own physics.
considering something like kinzhal takes 32 pac-3 missiles to have a chance of shooting them down (now it's even more), i don't think there's a realistic amount of air defense they can have. pac-3 is the best missile system for these threats too; thaad isn't designed for these low altitude aeroballistic/quasi-ballistic missiles.
>>520963005How would a tomahawk stop a Russian drone from blowing up a power line?lol and they kept Donbass in the dark for close to a decade.
>>520964469They dont start WWIII, the Russians just nuke kiev. They wont nuke NATO, just Ukraine proper.
>>520963005>Ukrainian anti-air post every how they shoot down 150% of Russian missiles and drones>help we're wining!!!
>>520963005>Attacks resistance to (foreign lead) coup>Resistance turns into separatismNoooo>Attacks separatists>Russia reactsNoooo>Starts using cluster ammo>Russia replicates Noooo>Attacks Russian energy infrastructure>Russia destroy your own in returnNooooEtc...
The west failed to bomb your shithole back into the stone age for sabotaging critical infrastructure during wartimes. You literally crippled our economy to try and drag us further into the war. You are a disgusting traitor.
>>520963005>chukAnother jid begging for gentile flesh.
>>520967414The West cant bomb Bolanda or Ukraine because it is too weak to defend itself without 100 mln buffer in its current niggerized-deindustrialized-degenerate mode. Your economy suffers from stagnation not so much because of German-induced "Green Deal" resulting in destruction of industry, but mostly because your products are removed from global markets by cheaper and more technologically advanced Chinese products
>>520963005Tomahawks won't stop this shit.
>>520963005>the west failed toOh, I guess we shouldn't have offshored and outsourced all of our manufacturing eh
>>520963356>the ukranians shouldn't have engaged in meat grindersWhat part of "to the last ukranian" did you misunderstand, exactly?
>>520965222>russia will nuke one of the territories it wants backI'm going to go ahead and press [x] on that one.
>>520963005>Only Tomahawks are this thing that can make Ukraine winIts already in use like the storm shadow was in use before any public statements were given. Also its not cost-effective to shoot down 20 000€ drone with a 10 000 000€ AA-missile but instead Ukraine should bomb Russian economical targets until the cost of war becomes too high for hivans.
https://kyivindependent.com/all-ukraines-state-owned-thermal-power-plants-stop-working-after-russias-largest-ever-attack/
>>520963005If the International Criminal Court cared about actual crimes against humanity they would've immediately opened an investigation into Donald Trump over his 50 year mortgage comment
>>520963498This. Ukraine is finished no matter what. Sad (not really).
>>520967654It's not that they're better or higher tech, it's more that they can produce so much of anything they want they can saturate their competition with sheer output of stuff that's "good enough" with some retooling. See: The houthis driving off 3 USCG's in a row with chinese drones and missiles. Meanwhile most western nations can't even produce enough raw materials to produce ammunition for their police and militaries to perform live drills, let alone arming up for war time. We don't have millions of factories and workshops per state that can retool for military production anymore. Our populations are so dejected, poisoned by slop food and drugs, and driven insane by endless social media and psyops that they wouldn't be able to put up a fight, and the core demographics that WOULD work or fight for western nations(young/middle aged men) are checked out, criminals, lying in playground furnutire with needles spread around them, foreigners with no stake/interest in fighting.
>>520967654>The West cant bomb Bolanda or Ukraine because it is too weak to defend itself without 100 mln bufferBesides i think that so called "West" doesnt have enough bombs to do this, not to mention about their production. Gaza, a tiny 365 km2 enclave (half of Londons size endured over 100,000 tons of US-supplied bombs since October 2023 - equivalent to seven Hiroshima nukes. This surge depleted US stockpiles, forcing _emergency draws_ from prepositioned reserves and $18bln in aid, pausing some shipments. So how does fkn Germany plans to bomb entire Poland? With what? Germanys bomb reserves are perilously tiny: post-Cold War cuts left stockpiles depleted to mere months supply for intense conflict. Ukraine aid has drained them further with pre-2022 production at just 70,000 artillery shells/year, versus Russias millions. By 2025, even ramped-up output (Rheinmetall targeting 350k/year) exposes huge vulnerability, unable to sustain prolonged war without imports that are deliberately chocked by foreign suppliers xDRheinmetalls ramp-up faces near-impossible hurdles: TNT shortages (one Polish plant supplies Europe), 3-4 year factory build times, skilled labor deficits, and supply chain bottlenecks (fe explosives, casings).Germany can do shit. It can invade us with surplus subsaharan negroes. xD
>>520963005How can any anti air missile system shoot down 500 missiles all fired at once?
>>520968708How do they plan on getting those foreign men to go fight exactly? The snatch van method in Ukraine wouldn't work because the muslim and african men all live in armed ethnic neighbourhoods that would look out for each other if wartime is properly declared. At BEST you'll get a couple who will join up, and take all their training back with them to the street gangs and the cartels they already work for. But most likely you'd just have massive ethnic gangs use the lack of local men as a chance to expand their influence and control over areas for their own interests.
>>520968125>the storm shadowStorm Shadow/SCALP production is limited to 50 annually due to its recent 2025 restart after a 15-year hiatus driven by depleted stockpiles from Ukraine aid and high costs ($2mln+ per unit). Complex precision tech like TERCOM navigation requires specialized components that slow down assembly. Meanwhile German Taurus is no more produced. If restarted, annual production would be as ridiculously low as in case if Storm Shadow largely due to heavy reliance on foreign suppliers. Key components like the TRS-4D radar seeker (Swedens Saab), inertial navigation (US ITAR-controlled) and turbofan engine (Williams FJ44, US) face export delays and long lead times because their producers are also dependent on foreign suppliers xD Meanwhile Russias Kh-101 (Tactical Missiles Corp.) produces 500-600 yearly (50/month), while Kalibr (NPO Novator) outputs 360-600 (30-50/month) in air/naval variants.
>>520963498Crazy how media is calling that 20-25 dip Ukraine's last chance at fixing its mobilization issues but they will never ever ever ever ever call for conscripting women. In the year of our Lord 2025 where women have all the rights and more than men. Pozzed to the max
>>520963005>We wont have Ukrainian flags on /pol/ for months nowAnd that's a good thing.
>>520963005>we needGonna have to stop this roastie here. What you need to do is capitulate. Or die. That's how this works.
Ukraine had the largest AD network in Europe after Russia. This entire war is so full of fucking nonsense shat out by clueless people. They fucking lost. No amount of “support” will help them as West lacks material resources to give them without disbanding their armies. What they could they gave. They gave them a new army in 2023 and it vanished in front of Robotown. Russians face difficulties advancing, but Ukraine simply can’t advance. Defense is king again. Paradigm of war has changed. Only question is do they surrender now or they surrender in a year or two.
>>520963005>shahids
>>520963356>muttposting
>>520969643Tomahawk Block V production plummeted to critically low levels with the US Navy procuring just 34 missiles in FY2024 and only 22 planned for FY2025, down from 68 in FY2023 and a peak of 500 annually in the 1980s. This equates to 2 missiles per month far below expenditure rates. Amerimutrs fired 135 by one carrier group in 2023-2024 against Houthis and achieved nothing xD The 2025 reduction stems from severe supply chain disruptions: specialized components like rocket motors and seekers face sole-supplier bottlenecks.
>>520968708>It can invade us with surplus subsaharan negroes. xDWhat! They would be perfect for clearing those Russian minefields!!
>>520970029Exactly. Western MIC is horifically inefficient. They had zero spare capacity, unlike Russians, as it’s not profitable. Very complex and vulnerable supply chains too.
>>520970200The less weapon Amerimutts produce, the most chest-thumping they do, rename Department of Defence to Department of War, etc. It is understandable and pathetic xD
>>520963005Just surrender already, war is waste of lives
>>520970271They can rename it Department of Galactic Conquest, fact is US economy will crash soon (ridiculous AI bubble is 60-80% of their economic growth) and their MIC is so corrupt and inefficient it will take a decade of fixing to make it competitive. That’s not even starting to happen. In the meantime all they have is chest-thumping and empty victories. Foreign leaders understood that best way to make Trump go away is to sign some meaningless paper giving him “victory”.
>>520963005>The ICC has opened criminal proceedingsIs Russia even subject to the ICC? The US isn't so I assume Russia never jumped through the hoops to do either.
>>520970402>US economy will crash soon (ridiculous AI bubble is 60-80% of their economic growthThats quite possible
>>520970435Check the OpenAI performance for reference. It’s grim.
>>520963340Hohols would have in 2022, but the anglosaxonoid elite has ordered them to keep dying in millions.
>>520970435>>520970520for someone who doesn't have an economics degree, explain to me like I'm 5 years old:why is economic growth required for economy to remain stable? Can't it just stay stable at 0% growth?
>>520970520OpenAI is nothingburger. Nvidia faces severe risks from the escalating US-China trade war. Chinas retaliation includes banning foreign AI chips in state data centers, antitrust probes, and pushing domestic alternatives like Huawei's Ascend. CEO Jensen Huang admits "defeat" in China, with no high-end sales talks. His last speech warning about China winning AI competition caused pic-rel wipe-out fe xD
>>520963005Air defense doesn’t work, bro. You have to fire a missile faster than a missile coming in the direction of gravity.
>>520970763Zero growth leads to rising unemployment, unpayable debt interest and technological stagnation, it erodes productivity and living standards over time in a capitalist economy. At least in theory.
>>520970889isn't US planning to flush all its debt via crypto though? Even Russian politicians warned this is what's in the works
>>520970763To explain it to you as if you were a 5 year old: they keep borrowing money and to repay it they have to have more money in the future. No growth = bankruptcy. System is predicated on infinite growth. >>520970803That too, plus Nvidia is racking major profits from AI bubble and data center hyperproduction, so they will be wiped in the crash too. Orange Gorbachev will be the undertaker of American Empire.
>>520970963see >>520970955
>>520965222It depends on the attack. Hundreds of Tomahawks flying into Russia = WWIII. If you have a gun just go someplace and shoot yourself to avoid the hell that is about to fall upon us.
>>520970955>>520970996How would they do that?>>520970999Hundreds of Tomahawks have to be fired from something. Tomahawks were always a nothingburger. PR talk. Now those US air-delivered stealth missiles might do some real damage, but their production rate is abysmal too. They don’t have enough to spare.
>>520971095>How would they do that?by moving all debt into crypto, and then crashing the value of that crypto
>>520971132Legally impossible.
>>520971219>Legally impossible.so why are Russian officials panicking about this and warning whole world about it?Fact is that EU is also moving towards crypto, and they intend to freeze/limit the use of fiat money for EU citizens in coming ~2 years.
>>520970955The US declared trade war on China in 2018/2019 that killed US primacy. A year later US elites unleashed long-planned "pandemic" whose only goal was injecting its own population and populations in all allied countries in Europe and Asia with a genetic bioweapon cosplaying as "vaccines". The purpose is to cull consumers/buyers of Chinese products worldwide in desperate attempt to derail Chinese economy. Thats the most bold manevour of US elites so far. If your relatives were injected with Pfizer/Moderna/JJ/AZ "covid vaccines", they are dead men walking
>>520971308Just cause Western politicians are tards doesn’t mean Russians aren’t tards. Russian regime talks a lot of bullshit.
>>520971344but it's not just Russia talking about it.World overall is moving towards crypto on an official government level, and central bank level. The projects will be piloted in coming years.And you, me, everyone else knows that the west is drowining in debt. This debt will either demolish their civilisation completely, or they will find a way to weasel out of it.Nobody is going to care how legal something is.
>>520963441A lot of patriots moved from us to Europe and usa. Local imageboard is full of western flags.
>>520971447I am not Russian, though. I am constantly identified as one all the time because my views oppose Western mainstream based on delusions and lies xD
>>520968125>Ukraine should bomb Russian economical targets until the cost of war becomes too highWe already live in shit, you underestimate the power of Russian misery
>>520970815>what is interception course
>>520964036Isn't that their entire armed forces though? BBC has them at 120k dead based on actually counting deaths. Ukraine only 45k according to Zelenskike lol
>>520971670kek
>>520963005What's the point of specifying that some missiles were ballistic? Is she just getting off on thinking about phallic objects or is there more to that?
>>520963005How is hitting critical infrastructure a crime against humanity? Have this people ever heard of war or is the international community so far up their ass they think they can call bad stuff war crimes and no sides does it again?
>>520963005> Pole fag complaining.Sit down Anon, and let me explain to you why Russia is doing what it is doing, and why a Pole fag would be outraged by it.After Ukraine rejected the peace proposal in early 2022, Russia transitioned the war to one of attrition. To win a war of attrition, you don't just have to destroy the countries army, but their future manpower potential (FMP). Every year, hundreds of thousands of young men reach military age. This potentially makes a war endless. The best way to reduce a countries FMP is to simply make women and children leave, because when they do, they never come back. When faced with a potential Ukrainian winter without heating--women and children leave, robbing Ukraine of FMP, thus actually winning a war of attrition.And guess where Ukrainians flee to..
>>520963425True, but I can say the same for gaza and that fake nation they keep crying about.
>>520971344>>520971420Trumps economic chief Bessent revealed this year plans to tax foreign holdings of US financial assets. Hidden in plain sight: 5 forms of "burden sharing" for countries benefiting from the US dollar reserve system. Four of these deal with reducing trade surpluses (more US exports, less US imports, etc.), essentially reducing their net accumulation of US financial assets. But the 5th proposal is the bombshell: countries "could simply write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods." https://medium.com/@mcnai002/the-sovereign-wealth-effect-americas-new-tool-for-rebalancing-the-global-trading-system-363176816035Translation: You can keep holding US Treasuries and dollar financial assets, but you will now pay a tax for the privilege. xDThats what Amerimutts have in drawers. I heard nothing about crypto so far.
>>520964469They meant to work against big ICBM not drones and short range missiles. Shocker 50 year old tech is outdated.
>>520964036zigger propaganda. the actual number is 15 million dead russians
>>520967053More of they failed to win using soft power and Biden was busy shitting his depends to stop them from just walking in and taking over. Plus not like the rest of NATO would do shit. However Ukraine was able to slow it down for a while due to Russia being shit and only having more people to keep throwing into the meat grinder and Ukraine doesn't have the tech to keep them out bay and everyone getting tired of giving them stuff. EU wants America to front the bill, and Trump is saying "no more freebies."
Zelensky here. Patriots uur OP is a tranny and I need, need more biggest black dick. If you are a nigger with a massive black dick get to Kiev you will be paid suitcases of cash at my bunker. My guards will let you in, they are all trannies, and let the pleasure begin. Z
>>520963005Talk shit, get hit, honey
>>520963005>The West still failed to supply Ukraine withI just don't see how that's my problem. It's the Ukraine's war. If they want to fight it, they can supply themselves with what they need.
>>520963005>International Criminal CourtIs a joke.
Estonia calls for more Western action
>>520963425>I denounce the TalmudYou support the Talmud by supporting Jewtin the kikesucker.
>>520973940This Estonian politician must be a Russian agent (ruska onuca) if he claims that Russia has air superiority over Ukraine and Russian successes might eventually result in Russia being encouraged to attack NATO countries incomparably weaker than Ukraine such as Estonia to prove that NATO is a bluff and already overstretched due to Ukraine war xD
>>520963425
>>520973940>Decicive intervention You start, Estonia, NATO will follow :^)
>>520974343Bolanda should finally intervene. Every day without direct intervention is a day closer to a Russian victory, after all. It cannot happen xDhttps://www.euractiv.com/news/poland-seeks-to-ditch-nato-eu-approval-to-down-objects-over-ukraine/UK will support this effort diplomatically
>>520963005lol "crimes against hoomanity"after slaughtering 2 million combat-able work-able christian white men for shlomo inc
>>520973483retard
>>520974477I reckon you could move in and take Lvov. If you leave the Russians alone, they'd leave you alone. Just go full Anglo and do a sneaky provocation so you just have to get involved there.
>>520963211>>520963340Didn't weapons sold to them end up in the hands of Brazilian drug gangs?How'd that happen?
>>520963798Isn't it weird how Ukraine and Palestine are supposed to have national boundaries that need to be defended but not us?Why is that.
How's being a proxy dog for gayto working out
>>520963005The west failed to gas the jews
>>520963005Sorry you have a worhless kikeshitbag leader who wasted all that money we sent him? Kikes will do that because they in fact are greedy pieces of shit
>>520963005All surface to surface missiles are Ballistic.
>>520973776sure moshe, still your neteyanou will get arrested if he goes to europegood joke if you ask me
>>520969850Russia is not trying to advance. They got what they wanted in 2022, now they just want Zelensky out.
>>520970803>down 5%>500 Billion>Nvidia alone was worth 10 Trillion DollarsI'm gonna call bullshit.
>>520963005Hahaha you thought Americans were sending you aid packages to actually WIN?No, silly monkey. We were having a firesale on old Halliburton inventory and needed to make room in the warehouse. Missile defense system? Who do you think you are, Israel?
>>520977411It says 9.88%. Yes they were worth 5 trillions somehow
>>520963005>Ukraine winthey're not intended to winthey're intended to bog down and deplete Russiaand to do so whilst avoiding any catastrophic escalation
>>520977639You're right, I misread.Well, that explains why Nancy Pelosi is retiring.
>>520963005no one cares WEF shill
>>520977710If I bought those PUTs i want to buy for a while I would be retiring too. Eh, it's not too late I'll get some puts monday. Maybe.
>>520977690>Bog down and deplete RussiaThe whole Russia situation started in 2013 as a way to contain the Black Sea Fleet and keep Putin from aiding Assad in Syria. Now that Assad is out, there's no reason to beat Putin back anymore so everybody important is losing interest, but they can't just drop everything.>>520977788IV is too great to short it with puts.
guess the war is overrip ukraine
>>520963005Isn’t Ukraine a fragmented country like the US? For instance, if there was a war raging in California, and civilians were being blown up by drones and power plants being destroyed, would people in Florida give a shit? I mean three years later the entire country would be without power in this scenario but leading up to that point would anyone really care?
>>520977838>keep Putin from aiding Assad in SyriaYou are the first anon I've seen here to suggest this. Other than myself. Which is surprising given the eagerness to attach everything to Israel. It's a good fit given the enthusiastic neocon efforts here.
>>520963005ok but how does this affect me personally?aside from having to pay for this shitshow, it doesn't
>>520977838>IV is too great to short it with putsI'm sure it is but like 10% down could have made some profit and I'm sure one year from now or even 6 months it won't be anywhere near 5 trillions kek the bubble will burst soon. No way it lasts one more year. Maybe it does then I get fucked but at some point it will go down 70% at least. Will it go up 100% first? Maybe. But there will be blood in the streets.
>>520977690>bog down and deplete RussiaLooks like your mission failed catastrophically.
>>520978578They depleted and economically bogged down the EU instead. Better this than nothing xD
>>520978578it's not my missionit's outlined in think tank policy papersI think it's a coarse and stupid planin that sense it's par for the course and business as usual
>>520963005What's wrong with Ukraine giving up Crimea and letting Russia have a single fucking European port again like they had for most of the last millennia??Can someone please explain why millions of Ukrainians should freeze to death just to stop Russia from being to import and export energy at the Crimean port? That's literally all this war is about right? Every time I ask a retarded fellow Goymerican why Ukraine is at war they just say "BECAUSE RUSSIA EVIL AND WANTS TO KILL BABIES FOR SPORT". I'm not even fucking joke about that, that's my dad told me lmao.
>>520963005>the westbeing an orange pedo nigger
>>520978067There are probably other considerations too, people like Nuland and Vindman championing their own cause, but at the heart of selling it to Obama back before Yanukovich was deposed was Putin's support for Assad. It's no coincidence that Assad fell after "Ukraine" started bombing the Russian Ships in Crimea.
>>520978867They didn't even have to give it up, Russia had just signed a long-term lease of the base in like 2009 or so. Ukraine could have just kept collecting the cash and looking the other way as a neutral partyObama insisted that they take sides in 2013 and when Yanukovich balked, they deposed him in a CIA color revolution.
>>520979324McCain was a regular champion of the overall strategy in this conflict
>>520978948Shut your face hole.
>>520979225>probably other considerations tooalwaysit is interesting to me how little attention is brought to the ME as possible motivation when the events are examined from a strategic perspectivemaybe I've just missed itwhich is possible, I do live in a bubblebut I don't see it being articulated, not really, not yet anyway
>>520963356Too late
>>520979753Hail, Subgenie of the Lamp
>>520970763>he still thinks that "economic growth is something other than a jewish capitalist pseudojargon designed to excuse the import of a diverse set of nigger varieties to decreases the cost of labor
>>520963425Israel has said it's neutral in that war and I haven't seen evidence in the contrary. They have enough fronts in their own war, and need their weapons for themselves.
>>520963005>Tomahawks can make Ukraine winLol, nothing can make Ukraine win at this point.
>>520964469Hundreds and hundreds of boosters and no second stages, right. Iran just wanted to get rid of some boosters and litter up Israel with them.
>>520979753A few of us have been aware and been saying it on /pol/ and elsewhere, but we're always drowned out by people who are incapable of zooming out and can't put together a puzzle with more than two pieces.
>>520976291Ukraine having africa tier corruption.I'd say syrian terrorists also got them on the black market but that was probably glowies>>520973940Go on Estonia, you first and we'll be right behind you
>>520963005Why again would Ukraine be owed this...?All they have "given" us is sabotage, corruption and political interference.
>>520968241Looks like burned to a crisp, would take years to rebuild and resupply even if war stopped today.
>>520963005>the icc has opened proceedings as a crime against humanity.Oh really? Picrel.
>>520980555>>520980029may the frop in your pipe never be extinguished, brother
>>520963005West anti-air isn't even built to sit on its ass to absorb bombardment for 3+ years and it doesn't exist in the numbers needed. It's built on filling in gaps from air supremacy. It's why Ukraine is getting such a shitty side of the stick. Russia's military is based around being the underdog so they have more artillery and anti-air knowing NATO would rule the skies.
What is to stop Ukraine from making a similar attack on at least parts of Russia that are within a few hundred miles of the border? Of course they'd want to turn out the lights in Moscow and St. Petersburg. The drones might be in the air already.
>>520978867>What's wrong with Ukraine giving up CrimeaIs that an option? Trump strong armed Ukraine to the negotiating table and Putin immediately walked away. Right now it looks like the only options Ukraine has is keep fighting or capitulate completely. So the answer to all the "can't Ukraine just..." questions is "No." The ball is in Russia's court.>>520979324>they could have avoided the war by not canceling the lease they never canceledFun fact. That lease is technically still in effect.
>>520981921Go fuck yourself disinfo faggotZelensky straight up said he will not give up territory, he is still pretending he can get Crimea and Donbas back, so why negotiate?
>>520963005>All major cities in Ukraine in darkness and cold only after one precise attack. Effectiveness of Western AA: zero.HAHHAHHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAthis is what faggot nigger /k/ posters deserve>"muh long range sanctioooooooons!"isnt so funny anymore is it?london and their dogshit behavior landed ukraine in total and complete darkness, just to jack off with Russian refineriesNOW LOOK AT ukraine!HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAH
>>520977338so why are people still dying there?
>>520963005>"we need more idiotic offensive weapons to further provoke Russia with idiot MUH LONG RANGE SANCTIOOOOOOOONS /k/ nigger attacks on refineries!">"THIS WILL SURELY TURN THE LIGHTS BACK ON IN keev and kharkov!"holy fuck>"muh tomahawks"!are NEVERREPEATNEVERhappeningNOT EVER
>>520963005should’ve just not bothered fighting a war they couldn’t win
>>520982352Did you miss the part where Trump cut off aid to Ukraine to bring zelensky to heel? Of course you didn't, you lying zigger shill. If Putin gives Trump a deal he likes, it doesn't at all matter what zelensky says and the whole planet knws it. Yet Putin still won't negotiate.
>>520979324>>520981921Then why is Russia fighting? Keep in mind "because they're insane and want to kill people for fun" just makes you look like a retard
>>520981921What were Russia's demands before Ukraine shut off the water supply to Crimea in 2022? Did he want the Donbas to be given up to Russia?No. He wanted them to be made an autonomous province with some level of independence from the Ukrainian central government. I'm pretty sure that's still his demands.The Pro-Democracy forces in the conflict insist that a vote of 51-49 means that the 49 can be suppressed, oppressed and their complaints ignored and their culture destroyed and if they're ethnic Russian, they can be beaten, brutalized and even killed without reprisal.
>>520981921>That lease is technically still in effect.Fun Facts: Ukraine has tried to cancel it which is why Russia "invaded" Crimea in 2013 in the first place, and Ukraine has obligations to NOT CUT OFF THE WATER SUPPLY TO CRIMEA as part of the lease, and TO PERMIT RUSSIAN ACCESS TO CRIMEA as part of the lease. You can play pilpul bullshit all you want, Kike, but the only reason Ukraine didn't technically cancel the lease to the naval base is because of the so called Russian invasion of Crimea. They Goddamned sure tried to because of King Nigger and Traitor McCain
>>520963005Air defense meta is over, it proved to be inferior. New meta is cheap missile/guided ammo spam and just try to tank the enemy missle spam as best as you can.
>>520963005>Russia bombs energy facilities destroying critical infrastructure killing 100 children in the process and damning thousands to freeze to death in the winter >ICC: no no you can't do that it's illegal Pathetic
>>520963005>only armored vehicles can win the war>only tanks can end the war>only HIMARS can end the war>only ATACMs can end the war>only jets can end the war>only Tomahawks can end the war>only US boots on the ground can end the war
>>520982776Because Zelesnky thinks he can retake the parts Russia took and will sacrifice every Goy male in Ukraine to do it. Russia is just fighting a defensive holding action and Zelensky the Butcher is a retard.
>>520983408Electricity doesn't power heat.
>>520963798We're not doing it for them, dipshit. This is a proxy war and its the entire WEST vs Russia/China/Iran/N Korea/Venezuela and you can even throw in S Africa/Brazil/India.I've supported the Ukrainian war effort from day 1 even though I'm a Trump supporting (R) from Texas, but it is obvious that the vast majority of Ukrainians aren't even willing to fight to protect their own land. Cowards.
>>520983181Probably because they expect they'll get more if they continue the war than they could negotiate for now. In any case the point still stands that Ukraine can't just give up Crimea.>>520983192What does this have to do with whether or not Ukrain can give up Crimea to end the war, or whether or not they could have avoided the annexation of Crimea by not canceling the lease they didn't cancel.>>520983371>Ukraine has tried to cancel it>tried toWhy would they be unable to? I don't mean physically, obviously they don't physically control it anymore. Legally, why would they be unable to end a treaty?
>UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE>PLEASE CARE ABOUT THERE UKRAINEno. the ukraine is a country on the other side of the planet, we simply don't care. i can't believe people are even still talking about this stupid country. is that war still even going on? how many years has it been going on? BORING
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>>520963005They supply them. Ukraine loses them
>>520984617It's not a treaty, it's a lease. They tried to cancel it by evicting the Russians in 2014 and they failed. Then they tried to cut the water off and started a war.
>>520984617Can you just read the fucking thread instead of playing NAFO bullshit? The answers have already been posted.
where are the /k/ faggot niggers now?how funny are>"muh long range sanctiooooooooooons"now?how funny are they?merry Christmas you absolute dumbshit niggers
>>520984617>Probably because they expect they'll get more if they continue the war than they could negotiate for now. In any case the point still stands that ukraine can't just give up Crimea.holy absolute fuck, the deranged state of nafotards messaging is unrealhow could you fucks possibly believe Crimea will ever return to ukraine?how?
>>520985598>They tried to cancel it by evicting the Russians in 2014You keep saying that but I can find no evidence of any official attempt to cancel the lease or evict the Russians. Russia just assumed it was going to happen and preemptively invaded it. So how could Ukraine have avoided conflict by not doing the thing that Russia didn't wait for them to do?
>>520983802>This is a proxy war and its the entire WEST vs Russia/China/Iran/N Korea/Venezuela and you can even throw in S Africa/Brazil/India.War over what? Are they invading us?MIC just wants to sell weapons
>>520983577ok but how is getting constantly attacked 'what they wanted' ?
>>520964036Rookie numbers. Germany had 6 mil jews alone dead in 4 years
>>520985753>how could you fucks possibly believe Crimea will ever return to ukraine?Can you read nigger? No one said anything about Ukraine retaking Crimea. The question is if Ukraine could end the war by giving Crimea up.
>>520985657They're called rhetorical questions, dumbass. I know the answers. The questions are to make a point.
>>520986488Crimea has been gone for 12 yearsukraine is has absolutely no sovereignity over Crimea in any way shape or form, where it has possesion over it as a bargaining chipukraine can only ceede the land it is currently retreating from in a bargain, thats itukraine must now decide the Odessa question, because thats where this will logically end>every last male in ukraine born 1970-2000 dies futilly in a forlorn cause war?or>negotiate with Russia, accept the L and save untold millions of livesthats itthere is no "win" condition for ukraine on any table anywhereukraine lost so fundamentally and so wholly, there is no other alternative
>>520963005You cannot supply what doesn't exist.Z.
>>520986935>You cannot supply what doesn't exist.>Z.HAHA BUT IT WAS JUST OLD BULLSHIT JUNK NATO DIDNT EVEN WANT, THAT COST MORE MONEY TO DECOMM, THAN IT WOULD TO SEND TO ukraine TO HAVE RUSSIA WASTE AMMO ON OBLITERATING IT!!! AHHAHAAHAAHAH>t. /k/ posting faggot nigger
>>520963340Russia won't surrender as long as Putin is in power. He would have to fall out of a window first.
>>520963995you are just a half jew working for russian propaganda agency
>>520963005>Only Tomahawks are this thing that can make Ukraine win xD
>>520963005>We wont have Ukrainian flags on /pol/ for months nowThank fucking Christ for that and thank you Ziggers, from the bottom of my heart, for this.
>>520987909lmao, you faggot nigger /k/ikes are unrealthe lights are off in ukraine exactly precisely because of that london-planned dogshitbut lmao,>hyuck hyuckmuh long range sanctioooons right???>PIC RELATEDthe result of "muh long range sanctiooons"
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