This map, of Europe in 1900 or really, Europe from the late 1800s, after the establishment of Austria-Hungary and Imperial Germany, until 1918 when Europe shattered into a bunch of new countries never known before, especially in Eastern Europe, represents almost the ideal distribution or demarcation of Europe into separate countries.Since 1918, Europe has had simply too many little countries. It's a mess of competing national interests. Whereas before 1918, Europe was occupied by just a handful of major powers that, together, accounted for nearly the entire landmass of the continent: the UK, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, Austria-Hungary ruled from Vienna, and of course Russia which ruled most of the Slavic lands including Poland and what today is Ukraine and did so from St. Petersburg (though Moscow would have served just as well for the capital of the Slavic lands, in fact even better than Petersburg, since, as the old criticism goes, St. Petersburg is an attempt to recreate Western European civilization in Russia, which was the motivation of Tsar Peter who founded the city, while Moscow is the major city in Russia that reflects what is truly distinct about Russia and is different from Western Europe's civilization).It would be better if, today, all the Germanic countries including those of Scandinavia, were part of Germany; all the Slavic countries were absorbed into Russia, the UK continued doing its own things on its own island of Great Britain, and Iberia were dominated just by Spain instead of being divided into the two separate countries of Spain and Portugal. Greece and Italy could remain their own countries, with Macedon being absorbed into Greece because its culture and history basically are Greek, because Greece and Italy have their own distinct cultures and civilizations going back millennia and therefore constitute their own distinct ethnic zones.
yeah fuck having ethnostates and shit
Thank you for the opinion.
>>520975174Hello Moshe!
>>520975079>shattered into a bunch of new countries never known beforeLove Americans living up to the stereotype of dumbest creatures possible.
>>520975079On this website, you can see maps of Europe at each centurial turning point, i.e. as the countries of Europe existed in 1400, 1500, 1600 etc.It looks like the process of European civilization took until roughly AD 1900 to get right, then, after 1918, when a bunch of new nation-statelets were born in Europe, mainly in the East and in the Balkans, and the map of Europe changed radically, Europe's continental peak, which took a thousand years to achieve after the birth of modern Europe's nations during the Dark Age following Rome's collapse in Europe circa AD 500 to AD 1000, had passed and Europe had now entered its decline, or the phase that is the converse of continental development but instead which should be regarded as continental decay or disintegration. The division of Europe into countries, i.e. states governing population groups typically along more or less ethnic lines, achieved the best possible distribution of Europe into distinct countries during the late 1800s and early 1900s (the era of colonialism before World War I, which was also the era of Europe's greatest ever geopolitical and economic and cultural power as the European empires literally carved up most of the planet, even Antarctica in a rudimentary way that was meant to serve as the template for later economic activity in Antarctica according to which countries had which claims over the region).Can Europe ever regain the national rationality depicted on a map of Europe as Europe was divided into separate countries circa 1900, or is Europe doomed to be a national mess from her on out, where out means until European civilization ends and it replaced by a recognizably different civilization?
>>520975079What's the point? We are all descendants of the same culture. Europe and her diaspora should be a single nation. Everything else should be a colonial holding.
>>520975382No, it won't. Because the 1900s world was inherently unsustainable, which is the reason why it collapsed.It was occupied by multiethnic empires which were internally unstable due to ambitions of minorities and it was unstable externally as these empires wanted to expand at the expense of their neighbors.It turns out nation states are far more stable and viable, also because they have little interest to expand beyond the area inhabited bu their main ethnicity.Which is by the way why Russia is a relic of 19th century and is doomed one way or another.
>>520975141Europe had all the ethnostates it needed in 1900, no more, no less. Having too many ethnostates makes for chaos, which is exactly what set off World War I which event was the death knell for Europe's time atop and dominating the planet: little ethno-nationalist movements among irrelevant groups like the Serbs.Too few ethnostates, contrarily, leads to tyranny as many peoples have to be dominated by foreign peoples, which again results in the chaos of conflict.Europe had one main state for each major ethnic division back around the year 1900, with Russia, for example, having absorbed most of the Slavic lands, the German Empire governing most or the German populations in Europe, France governing virtually all the Celto-Germanic French peoples, the UK governing the British Isles and not just Great Britain but Ireland too, etc. etc.The only improvement I might consider to the map of Europe in 1900, meaning to the distribution of Europe into countries as this existed in 1900, would be absorb the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries sans Finland into Imperial Germany, as all these are Germanic lands.But Europe pretty much had it right back in 1900 as far as continental development into separate countries is concerned.
>>520975174>Thank you for the opinion.Some opinions are factual, which is to say that factual or true opinions are a proper subset of opinions, like if we want to think in terms of a Venn Diagram. And my opinion here belongs to that proper subset of all opinions which encompasses the factual or true opinions.
>>520975573>Europe had one main state for each major ethnic division back around the year 1900, with Russia, for example, having absorbed most of the Slavic lands
>>520975313Okay, Poland was known before 1918, but it was never relevant before 1918 and has never been relevant since 1918, at least as far as ethnic Poles are concerned (the Germans living in what is now Poland, like Copernicus and Kant and many others, were of course very relevant people). So why do the Polish people, a people of no achievements, deserve a country? They're better off belonging to the Great Countries like Germany and Russia, as they did in 1900.
>>520975524>It turns out nation states are far more stable and viable, also because they have little interest to expand beyond the area inhabited bu their main ethnicity.lol okayWhen you read your first history book, please let me know and we'll continue our discussion.Also, when has the world ever been stable? The world fluctuates between periods of greater and lesser stability while never achieving absolute, perfect stability nor descending into absolute, perfect chaos. Europe circa 1900 was as good as it ever could be. You should have been contented with that as good enough and the best of all possible worlds. But no, you Slavic nationalists, who are not real Slavic nationalists who would have the Slavs of the world united under a single state in one country but who want your hundred different Slavic sub-identities recognized as sovereign countries, had to go ruin the best of all possible European worlds, when Europe stood astride the world (picrel), with your internecine squabbling and even terroristic violence (plenty of you mini-Slavs, or Slavs seeking sovereign Slavic microstates, were literal bomb-throwing revolutionary terrorists).You traded the world of picrel for what? Twenty different irrelevant Balkan countries doomed to remain irrelevant forever or until they are reabsorbed into a Great Power?
>>520975382Your thesis is flawed as 1990 better fits that criteria, most countries were ethnically homogeneous.
>>520975746Poland saved Vienna and were doing crusades before the Mayflower was built.
>>520975971Name the states that should not exist today and why.You beat around the bush but you have a clear target.
>>520976142And then cossacks curb stomped the PLC.
>>520975079This is a violently American thread completely ignorant of real history kek.
>>520975502>What's the point? We are all descendants of the same culture. Europe and her diaspora should be a single nation. Everything else should be a colonial holding.I could be down with this, as long as we can agree on making English the first language of the White Nation encompassing Europe, Russia, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and part of South Africa. I insist on English not because it is better than other European language, for in fact it is inferior as a language for philosophy to German. Rather, English is just the language understood by by far the greatest portion of European and European Diaspora peoples. And its deficiencies, like its lower expressive power for basic concepts in philosophy relative German, can be remedied by hard work to alter how English is used and even constructed in the dialogs of certain topics, since all languages are inherently capable of radical change up to any possible level of expressive power, since all languages have developed to the point of expression power they now achieve from much more primitive ancestral languages through the works of great geniuses who altered how we use our languages, which shows that any system to combine words and phrases under a set of rules which system is powerful enough to constitute a proper natural language can undergo changes to any of its member rules or words or phrases in a potentially infinitely long process of making such changes until any natural language achieves infinite expressive power, or the capacity to express any among all the infinitude of possible concepts.English has the most expressive power as of languages in the world today, as it is by far the largest language in terms of its vocabulary, and has been the language of more literary geniuses than any other, so even while it is inferior to a few other advanced languages in a few areas, these deficiencies can be remedied with hard work. Combining English's current highest expressive power among world
>>520976298Press 2 for English.
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>>520976298languages with its longstanding role as global and specifically European lingua franca, English stands as the only realistic language to become the primary and universally known language of any future White and European global ethnostate, if such a state should be achieved (I wish it were).Picrel might be an even better distribution of the European continent along the lines of sovereign states, but the country depicted in the pic is counterfactual and not worth dreaming about much.Instead, a combined European and European Diaspora country, perhaps governed from Berlin, and encompassing all of Europe, Russia, America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and part of South Africa (perhaps we can invite Japan as an honorary Aryan member of the One White Global Nation-State, which would encompass like 20 million square miles of Earth's land area), would be the best possible world among those worlds possible to achieve from the current situation of things, if indeed this One White Global Nation-State really is a possibility from where things now stand. Achieving it is worth a try. After all, this was the original goal of White Nationalism as the movement emerged into the mainstream in the 2010s: a pan White European Global Nation-State uniting all White people.
>>520975079>It would be betterfor whom?
pf
>>520975573>Having too many ethnostates makes for chaos, which is exactly what set off World War Iwhat? >Too few ethnostates, contrarily, leads to tyrannylike the russian empire, "the prison of peoples/nations"
>>520976282Cossaks were circus performers. It was Prussia, Sweden, Russia and Austria Hungary that ganged up on Poland that literally saved them a century earlier.Proof is the crimean war when Russia got curb stomped on home soil. P.S.: why dont you go back yo Donetsk?
>>520975079>germany exists>serbia exists
>>520976284This is a rusophile zigger aka a ruskie from ukraine squatting in poland.
>>520976227All the Balkans countries should belong to Russia, as they are all Slavic and Russia obviously has the best claim to being the one state to absorb and unite all Slavs with the exception of the Balkan states of Greece and Macedonia, which are not Slavic but instead are distinctly Greek or Hellenic, and so, although together they are small (in area and population), they should stand as one unified sovereign nation-state reflective of their status as one single major culture and civilization with deeply ancient roots.The Netherlands is just a part of Germany (a Germanic country through and through), and so it should be part of Germany -- same for all the Germanic countries to the north of Germany's top in Schleswig-Holstein, i.e. the Scandinavian countries sans Finland which is its own thing (many don't even group Finland within Scandinavia, for although it shares a peninsula with Scandinavia proper, culturally it differs in profound ways from the other member countries of Scandinavia, what with Finland even having a non-Indo-European language but instead a language originating from an ancestral language family whose home and location of development was somewhere around the Black Sea millennia ago). So Finland can either be its own country, this sovereignty granted in virtue of its unique culture, or it can choose to be absorbed into Germany that absorbs Scandinavia proper, since Finland, while so different, does share significant historical ties with Sweden and, recently and today, has very strong economic connections to the general Germano-sphere of Germany and the Germanic countries of Scandinavia proper.Switzerland is a weird mishmash of Germans, French, and north Italians, so should be broken up and divided among these three countries according to which regions of Switzerland are populated mostly by Germans, French, and Italians. Belgium is likewise a mishmash, though slightly less mished than Switzerland in that it forces together or "mashes" only
>>520976686We're native not colonists.
>>520976833The opinion of Southern Netherlands is highly appreciated.
>>520976917Bulgaria and Serbia are older than Russia. And at least for Bulgaria, much more significant than Russia for European history.Russia is a newcomer.
>>520976796>Cossaks were circus performerssure, that won major battles against the Polish nobility time after time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising
>>520975079Yep
>>520976917two distinct national groups, i.e. Germans and French, as opposed to Switzerland's tripartite mishmash, and so Belgium should be split among Germany and France according, again, to regions where Germans and French people predominate. Portugal just has no right to exist. It's Spain with non-Spanish speakers and the Portuguese language is itself so irrelevant to all history that its loss, via replacement by the Spanish language, would be negligible to world culture. So annex Portugal to Spain and begin the work of Hispanicizing, or whatever the proper word is, the Portuguese, which would not be a difficult process because Portugal is already Spain culturally but just chooses to maintain the use of its own little irrelevant language, so the process of turning Portuguese into Spaniards consists merely in teaching Portuguese Spanish and insisting on the use of Spanish instead of Portuguese for that interim when the Portuguese language remains known among some people before the Portuguese language disappears into the vast graveyard of dead languages.Ireland is just Britain, meaning it is a member of the British Isles with a distinctly British kind of people inhabiting it who even speak the dominant British language that is English. Irish nationalism makes no sense because, in fact, the Irish are Brits just the same as the English, Welsh, Cornish, Scots, and a few other tiny bunches of people in the British Isles. So let Britain, as a country, span not just Great Britain (which is an island, i.e. the island holding England, Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall for those unaware), but the whole of the British Isles, which island chain is geologically distinct and the peoples of which are distinctly British people from any larger perspective than that of just one minor British Islander population.The microstates like Liechtenstein and Monaco and the rest just need to become portions of those adjacent countries who languages they took and use. The Baltic States are
>>520976298>white empires>turkish>portuguese>italian>spanish>frenchThis is a cringe trip.
>mutts need everything simplified because of too much goyslop kys american scum, die for israel or whatever, but diversity is our strenght. A d by diversity I mean many white states, different and strong.You might not like but this os PEAK Europa
>>520977331Spain has at least 10 distinct Latin vernaculars. Which are all spoken in synchrony with Castillian.You are peak american mutt.
>>520975971It wasn't even South Slavic nationalists that destroyed the pre WW1 borders, it was western powers wanting to remove a unified central Europe as a geopolitical competitor.
>>520976979Even my fake country is older than yours by half a century HAHAHAHAA
>>520976686>decolonization>emirates???
>>520977331There are no krautniggers in Belgium unless you count those 50,000 faggots we've been occupying since 1918.
>>520976686>gypsy empire
>>520977331a weird bird, not being quite Slavic nor German nor Finnish, but, as they were heavily influenced by Prussia back while Prussia existed both as a sovereign country and then as the main state within the German Empire, and as the Baltic States were right only Germany's doorstep when Germany was at its true extent as reflected in the OP map of Europe circa 1900, then I incline to think Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia need to belong to Germany, which, anyway, would encompass nearby Scandinavia because Scandinavia is Germanic, adding yet more reason for the Baltic States to become official provinces or states or administrative territorial subunits of Germany. However, in light of Baltland's deep historic ties also with Russia, from the days of the Russian Empire to the USSR to the modern Russian Federation, an absorption of Baltland into Russia would be fine as well, just somewhat less justified than Baltland's becoming German, but still within the range of sensible ways to unify the bizarre little countries of Europe with their proper homelands. Turkey is both European and non-European, straddling the Bosporus right at its ancient capital of Constantinople, misnamed Istanbul in an illegitimate expression of Turkish nationalist that would correctly embrace Byzantine Roman heritage rather than reject it, even though most of Turkey's territory lies in Asia rather than in Europe. So perhaps, to reflect Turkey's transitional position and status in European geography, Turkey could be granted some semi-European national status, like officially recognized by the countries of Europe (now much fewer and much more rationally distributed in a much more sensible Europe) as like "The Gateway to Europe via Southwest Asia" or something like that. In any case, Turkey should certainly be its own country, whether in Europe or out of Europe or as a transitional place where Europe meets non-Europe. And as is obvious, Belarus is just Russia.
>>520977432You Europeans guard your micro-identities much too jealously to become more than fragmented and readily dominated people. Standardize Spanish across Iberia and be done with it.Before television had been around for a while, so like until the end of the 1960s, the USA didn't even have one standard dialect like it has since that time, which of course is the "Midwestern Accent," but we virtually all now know Midwestern English, even those who do not use it on a daily basis, and the remaining, relic old dialects of the pass are fading into history in the USA as younger people, generation after generation, abandon their own regional dialects for Midwestern American English.We know how to unify here. Out with the old, in with the new as we like to say, in a process of "creative destruction," which is another phrase we enjoy, and which means that when you destroy in the right way, something even better arises in its place.Yes, the reorganization of Europe into a more rational or internally consistent whole is a process involving destructions of negligible little things that have held Europe behind, and like all creative destructions, the loss of these relics of fetishistic levels of lingering attachment is a necessary condition of Europe's reemergence as a superpower.
>>520978213>generation after generation, abandon their own regional dialects for Midwestern American English.for Ebonics.Young Americans speak Ebonics.
Oh and by the way the US is the second most speaking Spanish country on earth.Mexico, the US and then Spain.
>>520977635>There are no krautniggers in Belgium unless you count those 50,000 faggots we've been occupying since 1918.Then you're just French and belong to France.
>>520975079You lost all the sense when you said Scandinavia should be part of Germany and Portugal part of Spain. And if you agree the Baltics should be part of Russia and Slovakia part of Hungary, even worse.Portugal and Scandinavia are good the way they are, at best they should do a EU-style economic zone with their neighbours.And Hungary and Russia just didnt respect their ethnic minorities. Would be better if AH and Russia were reformed into a federation, but even then I think the Baltics are better independent, they just have nothing in common with slavs.But in conclusion, yeah anon, in a perfect world where every single of these empires respect the cultural identity of their ethnic minorities, Europe would in fact be better that way. But the reality is some people dont respect the others, like Hungarians and Serbs.
>>520976917Bulgaria has existed for nearly a thousand years before white people dragged your ancestors to America. Imagine being such a nigger as to think any Slavic nation would want to unite with Russia, of all things. Intermarium is fine, so is a great Slavic nation, but Russia is just some Asian trash with a string of failed states that even stole the name Rus from the ukies.
>>520977563>Even my fake country is older than yours by half a century HAHAHAHAAWhat is Belgium, exactly?Is it just the result of a Spanish Army sent into the region of the Low Countries during Maximilian's reign when the Wars of Religion began?
>>520975079American opinions on Europe are all worthless garbage without fail, it's incredible how consist you are.
>>520978837I would be fine with uniting politically with the Castillians.Completely rational idea in 2025.But this American just discounts centuries of history based on nonsense.He has a very Moscovite/Oriental way of seeing things.He makes grand generalizations and has absolutely zero sense on what he is speaking.
>>520975079imagine being a yiddish globalist thinking you can force Europeans into becoming one big brown meme country like USA lmao
>>520975079>1900 mapXD>all the meme self-proclaimed empires from this map stopped existing 5 minutes laterthe self proclaimed austro-hungarian meme empire was the funniest. >jew your way into swindling foreign land filled with people that hate you>thats ok what could go wrong>exist for 5 minutes>achieve nothing, lose all the wars>collapse and stop existingpretty much copy/pasted same story with the meme german and russian empires. what a bunch of larpers.
>>520975079Why not just unite the whole world under one flag if you're so big fan of this?You seem to be a big fan of Russia, but it was a shithole back then and it is a shithole right now.If we're thinking what's best for the people and their lives then governments in Moscow or St. Petersburg shouldn't be ruling anyone at all. They have always mismanaged their country and the only things they're good at are things that are in some way related to killing people.
>>520977331If I identified you walking down the street I'd happily pay some favela monkey to stab you to death.
>>520979450>the only peope who could read and write in the russian empire were the finnsno wonder russia got so butthurt they lost finland, it dropped their national IQ rate by like 9000% LOL.
>>520978907Shit, even the Cyrillic alphabet originates from Bulgaria. Russia has jack shit to do with the rest of the Slavs, even their name doesn't fit.
>>520980000>Cyrillic alphabet originates from Bulgaria. Russia has jack shit to do with the rest of the Slavs, even their name doesn't fitCyrillic was born from two Byzantine monks.And the original Bulgars were Mongols not Slavs.
>>520975079bitiful ngl. croatia was integral part of the kingdom of Hungary tho, it shouldn't be painted in a separated color
>>520975079Division is arbitrary, but I do find countries with little to no ability to sustain themselves on their own to modern age standards, to be entirely unnecessary to keep around.Does anyone honestly think that countries like baltics and south-east european cluster will have any geopolitical relevance at any point in future human history?Those countries are just tax collection proxies with a genepool museum on the side.The only way they can keep up, is by buying things and resources. But that's only as long as someone is selling.
>>520976917The Balkan countries are culturally closer to Greece than to Russia even if the language is the opposite. Check the gene map, they are all a slavo-native mix.
>>520980289lmao ziggergypsygarians think after sucking off Trump they are hot shit lmao
>>520978920Essentially, yes (except it was during Philip II's reign, not Maximilian's). Belgium is the catholic part of the Netherlands, which affected national identity far more than you probably think it did
>>520978623If you call the dutch germans you might as well call the bongs germans
>>520980724The Brits are mainly Celts, genetically. The Dutch are certainly overwhelmingly Germanics.
>>520981580Lmao in which universe? The celts were wiped out by anglosaxon invaders
>>520981580And as a sidenote, the flemish and walloons are closer to each other genetically, than either is to germans or french
>>520975079KYS MUTT
>>520975313>AmericanThat is a VPNigger government agent making an agitprop thread
>>520975079WrongThe Ottomans shouldn't be a thing
>>520980392Keeping around many microstates actually makes sense because you can run many different 'contained experiments' in terms of policy and economics etc. And the competition between them will accelerate the good parts and flush out the bad aspects... The only important point is to have a balance of power so one doesn't dominate the others (united Germany was a mistake) and of course to make sure that they all run different operating systems, so it's not just the same slop but in different skins. Many different languages are also useful from this perspective (God's plan is the best after all)
>>520976686>Svyatoslav Igorevich Landkek
>>520982813>Lmao in which universe? The celts were wiped out by anglosaxon invadersThat's an old 19th century myth along the lines of the theory that the Indian invaders of Europe (the Aryans) wiped out and replaced the existing native European race.There are many genetic studies on Brits that show they are Celts, not Germans, or rather there is a little Germanic genetic admixture among the primarily Celtic genetics in the British population. What the Germanic invaders replaced was not the genes of the local inhabitants, but their culture, most of all their language.Same as with the Aryan invaders. They must have been great conquerors considering that their influence ran so deep that ever since their time, almost all Europeans have been speaking Central Asian, Indic languages (they're not really Indo-European, they're originally Indic and the European part of that name just means they were spread to Europe, and not that Europeans played any big role in developing these languages).Anyway, your idea about the Anglo-Saxon-Jute invasion of Britain is stuck circa 1880, back when the English wanted to identify themselves as Germans and not as primitive Celts. Nowadays the English don't have those German-idealizing hangups.
>>520983030America is a big place where you find lots of different viewpoints.
>>520975746AIEEEE NO WHAT ABOUT THE MEDIEVAL POLISH IMPERIUM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU'RE MAKING THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF POLAND ANGRY!
>>520980070>Cyrillic was born from two Byzantine monks.Actually, the alphabet was ordered to be made by Bulgaria, and initially it was a "glagolitza" before its revision to "kirilitza".
>>520988012you can't even write english retard
>>520988439>makes four mistakes in one sentenceTake one of these daily as a suppository, doctor's orders.And yes, the alphabet was made to order, it wasn't spontaneously invented for no reason.
>>520975573>KuK monarchy>ethnostate
>>520989527What's wrong with monarchy?Republics have plenty of problems too. In fact, there is no system of government, and neither is there any system of government that can last forever. As Plato said, systems of government recur in cycles, as each system of government starts off fresh and does things to improve people's lives in the polity, but eventually it grows old and corrupt and gets replaced with a new system of government after enough pushback from both commoners and elites and the cycle begins anew. This life-peak-death cycle applies to every system of government and to every government. It is inescapable, like a law of nature concerning sociology or how human social institutions develop and then devolve. All our institutions have a lifespan. And what there is to recommend monarchy is its naturalness, meaning the fact that something like 99% or more of all the political systems to exist since civilization began have been monarchies. Yes, every monarchy has died. Every dynasty has died to be replaced by another, and then every chain of dynasties in a monarchical system has ended as well, to be replaced by a whole new system of government or even a new civilization. But republics and democracies or whatever systems we live under today that were inspired by the Enlightenment will grow old and die too. In fact they're already very old and decaying, as is obvious from how sclerotic and corrupt they are, clear signals that they're in their final period of life: senility or old age.At least with a monarchy, it feels natural. It's just written into human DNA to follow one ruling family regarded as royal and therefore a cut above the rest of humanity, even the nobles who, while noble, still aren't royal and are to the royals what peasants are to the nobles: a whole different order in the Chain of Being.I submit to you there is an existential comfort to living under a system of monarchy, a freedom of not having to deal with politics and knowing all major
>>520990570decisions will be made from on high with by leaders who have no obligation, nor any inclination, to make appeals to the masses to try to win public support. Fact is, those leaders need no public approval to act or make laws or execute policies. What the public thinks about anything is a nonissue and an irrelevance. And in that quietude of the masses, who are not being led around by the nose by demagogues or petty men of ambition, i.e. "politicians" or professional panderers to public opinion (who then, upon election, cease to concern themselves with mass opinion until the next election is approaching), but who instead of forming into enthused and wild-eyed mobs just go about their daily business as common people living their lives, there is a freedom -- a freedom from politics itself, with all its crazed stirring up of popular passions and leading one part of the social body against another -- that we who live in republics or democracies or constitutional monarchies -- whatever you wish to call them, these systems based on voting that purport to represent the will of the people as the basis of their powers and legitimacy -- simply do not know because we have not experienced it and the last people who lived in the old absolute monarchies have long since died and whatever memories they passed on in their family lines have by now faded to the point of disappearing. Living in a political system, i.e. a system run by politicians who make a living on politicking -- appealing to the masses, which means rankling the masses more and more until they become proper mobs with the insane mob mentality -- instead of in one the absolute monarchies that have been the world-historical norm, is just to trade one kind of freedom for another in what is either a zero-sum game or else even a losing game where the political life, or life under a representative government of politicians, turns out to be a comedown from the more natural lifeway found in a realm headed by a king.
