>take money from consumers via tariffs, then give a part of it back and call it a gift FUCKING KEK
So basically socialism? But MIGAtards will insist it magically isn't because it's daddy zion don doing it.
He should explain why it's necessarily a bad thing to have a national debt first, and so should his supporters.
>>520980818Keep in mind before you answer, that paying interest on bonds is a policy choice. The government doesn't even need to sell bonds to finance itself in the first place.
>>520980657It won't go to anyone with "high income" watch them make high income anyone making over $100k lol. This will be basically just free money to brown and black people while responsible whites get shafted
>>520980657>we are taking in trillions of dollarsNo you aren’t.
>>520980657What is it you think I’ve paid tarrif on Mohammed?
Typical Trump bullshit and spin.
>look goys we built a factory for you to toil in while we fuck your kids and take the profit
>>520980657>Stalling SNAP payment>gives you a one time paymentIt's parents, while you're with them they give you pocket change and before you leave they give you a money boost and then you're on your own.Neets will take the migrant jobs
$2000 won't buy you a cunt hair. I WANT MORE MONEY.
>>520980859ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. NIGGERS AND BROWNS GET REWARDED FOR REPLACING YOU
It will come right after the doge checks
>>520980657wtf he said it was going to be 5000
>>520980657American's got taxed. Stop calling it tariffs its a tax. Trump has increased Americans tax the highest ever recorded in history.
>>520980769>SOSHULISM BAD
>>520980657and undermine foreign imports. Sorry frenchie your cheese and wine exports are now worthless.
>>520981188It's not a tax since it isn't on the sale of the item. The corporations choose to pass the price onto the consumer
>>520980657>then give a part of it backthere is a big difference between an announcement and an actual act.
>>520981195Missing my point retard.
>>520980657>youre getting tax payments refunded to you? Thats actually a bad thingKys
>>520980657Look at it this way - if you didn't buy foreign luxuries, you're a whole $2000 up.
>>520980843The government absolutely needs to sell bonds. Why do you think everyone freaks out when there is a slight panic in the bond market? Even if the government didn’t want to sell bonds, the petrodollar agreement all but guarantees that for oil that is sold or exchanging hands, money is invested into the US. Please explain to me how you think the US will pay back domestic bond debt without more bond money coming in?
>>520980657shart of the dealUSA! USA! USA!
>>520981188cope.Only deindustrialised nations would consider it a tax, if you have any decent local industry it's nothing at all.
inb4 it turns into 500 and he blames dems
>>520980657collapse of congress - checkedcollapse of scotus - next
>>520981367Nobody cares about your point pussy, you sound like a fucking boomer.
>>520981479>>520981260its an (illegal) tax on import companies.
>>520980859>high income anyone making over $100kThat's literally top 1% globally and nationally. Why do richfags always insist they're poor? Don't know how to manage your money, or what? Too many car payments? If you can't live like a king with 100k then you're retarded, sorry man
>>520980859It will be exactly this. The previous stimulus check was done the same way. I missed out on it because I made just over 100k at the time.The normie mind really does think 100k is a rich man's income, it was impossible to get my friends to agree that I could have used that 1k too.
>>520980657Also, this will definitely not cause more inflation at all. 100%
The normie mind really does think 100k is a rich man's income>>520981899case and point.
>>520981899>car payments >live like a king Kek. The reality is that with rising inflation, the top 1% means less than it used to. As the gap gets stretched further, and the top .1% or top .01% buys everything up, we will no longer be talking about the 1%. This is what happens. The wealth becomes more and more concentrated at the very top, and the middle gets gutted, and even the upper/upper-middle pales over time. Oligarchy inbound.
>>520980769Perhaps we should try socialism on a national level
>$2000may I see it?
>>520981428Lol, who buys those bonds in this 3 cup shuffle?
>>520981968Could you use it? Sure. Do you need it? Not in the slightest. You're a retard who lives above his means if you can't stretch 100K salary even in these inflation times never mind prior
>>520981899100k is middle class retard. This isn't the 90s
>>520982731Let him have his gibs. They go to Israel otherwise.
>>520982684Bonds are purchased domestically via pension plans/401ks, by regular citizens looking for safer investments, by foreigners looking for a stable return, and by most countries selling oil. What’s the point of your question?
>>520981899>$100k>richLol you're a teenager aren't you? If you have say two kids and a house, you're losing at least $5k to utilities, $5k to health insurance, $10k to groceries, and $30k to a mortgage. Add things like cars and insurance and you're pocketing around $10k/year if you buy literally nothing but the necessities. Sure you could save more money by living in a pod and driving beaters, but that defeats your point entirely.
>>520980657I'm sorry that you were born retarded.Well, not that sorry, really.
>>520982969XDDDDD try again retard, which institution is the biggest purchaser of government bonds?
>>520980657>not including high income peopleThis is antisemetic
>>520980657>Take money from workers with taxes and give it to illegals and niggers
>>520980657>here's why this 2000$ gift from Trump actually a bad thingShut the fuck up zutt mutt paki living in France trying to influence Americans to hate Trump because youre a ZUTT NIGGER
>>520980657I don't want it.
>>520980818>>520980843Because the value of our dollar is cut in half every 20 years without pay raises to match. Also I don't like the look of a 10,000 dollar bill.
>>520981394yeah anything made with aluminim built in the usa is foreing luxury lol. Did you forget about the 50% tariff on aluminium? Doesn't sound like a foreing luxury to me.
>>520980657It will come just like the doge gift everyone received trust me bro
>>520980657Based Trump
>>520980657>charge businesses for imports>businesses pass some costs to consumers, though not all otherwisd consumers don’t consume>give portion of tariff income to population to lessen their costs as much as possible while lowering taxes and incentivizing productive people to relocate to your country>retards cry like production isn’t what makes a country prosperous.What are your skills? Being a social justice nepobaby isn’t a productive skill by the way.
>>520980657Everyone? Does that mean everyone?
>>520982583socialism in the US amounts to white men paying for literally every other demographic to exist. aka, the system we are already under
>>520980657Probably will happen closer to 2026 elections. A month before or so. That and QE starting with zero interest rates from new fed chair in spring will make a repeat of 2020 to the tee. Free money printing checks, near free money lending, rising inflation meaning take all the free money you can which will make inflation worse. I guess this is my chance to 3x my money in stocks or maybe it will all crash. Oh well.
>>520983160If you’re talking about the Fed, that is obvious. But the fed uses bonds to influence the dollar and other monetary policies. They sell and buy them back to do this; it isn’t like regular investments into a three or five year bond. Again, what are you trying to suggest? The US refuses to pay back the fed? lol Explain your point please without the ironic stupidity
>>520980769Are you retarded?
>>520980657>charge companies import taxes>redistribute the money to poor peopleSo... communism?
>>520983621you prevent people from accessing products they needyes communism
>>520980657Everyone sounds quite good dolan.
>>520983498Lol so why the fuck didn't you mention the Fed in the first place, you sneaky little redditor. OK so we have established the government gets its money by raising bonds which the fed and other central banks purchase.So where does the fed get it's money?
>>520983432QE is fine if channeled into production. Actually, it’s required unless you want to go through an unnecessary depression.
>>520982002>>520983072>$10k to groceriesFucking lol. I've done the grocery shopping for bigger families, you don't need that much. Learn to cook instead of buying snacks and packaged garbage.>>520982326>>520982835>100k is middle classYou're completely out of touch and have no idea how to take care of yourself. You've fallen into the bankers trap and think you always need more and more and more.Yeah you guys are retarded. Leave Manhattan or LA or wherever it is you're just scraping by on $100k, even with a wife and kids.
>>520980657>>take money from consumers via tariffs, then give a part of it back and call it a giftwell obviously it's not actually going to happen.he's just promising whatever to try to get the tariffs over the line.
>>520980657>>take money from consumers via tariffsWhile I am against tariffs, they take money from companies that import.
>>520980859LOOOOOOOOOL
>>520980769>So basically socialism?No, retard.It's a case by case basis, fully dependent upon HOW MUCH the recipient has actually paid into the Tariff Tax scheme.In some cases, YES, it is Redistribution.In many cases, NO, it is merely a Rebate as to what said household paid into the Tariff Tax scheme.Of course, the excessive Wages, paid to CBP Goons can never be fully recovered..
>>520983732Okay great, you won’t state your case, just do a retarded Socratic dialogue like you’re teaching a lesson. As much as I’d like to participate in baby’s first economics, I think I’ll pass. Sorry to blueball you, but I’m sure there are other threads where you can posture as a genius while asking basic questions about the bond market and the fed. Retard.
>>520984020Anon, you've just described what socialism is.
>>520980657If he manages to reduce the national debt it'll be a first in my entire lifetime I think, no wonder the banksters and all of the media they own are seething so hard.
>>520984086Lmao fuck off Federal Wage Cuck.You know the answer to the question, where does the Fed get it's money, don't you? Or are you afraid that if you answer, you have to go to sensitivity training or whatever bullshit hahahaha.So when you get the answer to this question, you might have other questions like: why do I pay taxes? Why don't we get $2k gibs every month?Anyway you're clearly too mind fucked to continue, have a good one.
Tariffs are a tax on corporations who outsourced and offshore, why do liberals seethe at the rich paying g their fair share?
>>520980657>take money from consumers via tariffsOh look. Another cuck to the mutt. Seethe about our poltics, faggot.
>>520984412tariffs are a product tax, similar to VATand it is paid by the buyer
>>520983072so you have over 10k a year to buy whatever bullshit you want because everything else is covered and you want more? youre more greedy than the jews
>>520980657You can't pay off the debt with debt - There is also not enough Debt on the books to cover the Debt Interest. This clown is right there with Bidens ramblings.>back to work Goy
>>520980657So is he going to keep giving them out as long as the tariffs are in place or is this just a one time bribe to keep voters placated?
>>520980769>forces intel to sell shares to the govn-not socialism!! MIGA!!!
>>520980657>richestso there are no obstacles to install universal healthcare, correct?
>>520984106>you've just described what socialism is.Suck a dick, Gaslighter.If I pay $2500 in Tariff Taxes, and then receive a $2000 Rebate:That's not redistribution.I'm net Negativedumb nigger
>>520984463No, theyre not.
>>520980657He isn’t giving any of it back kek, they were saying we were going to get DOGE checks too a year ago and now they don’t then mention that shit anymore.
>>520984406>incoherent rambling about taxes, sensitivity training, and 2,000 dollar checks >no explanation as to why national debt doesn’t matter Yeah I figured this would happen as soon as I realized I was talking to pic related. If you find someone worthy enough to hear your case, which I’m sure is very strong, I’m looking forward to it. It’s been thrilling to brush shoulders with an economic genius savant.
>>520984481You can absolutely pay off the debt. Bring the interest rate below the growth rate. Or run a large enough trade surplus so foreign countries are the ones in deficit to you.But the panic over the debt is frankly retarded. It's just from two kinds of people 1) conservatives who understand money and want to scam rubes and 2) conservative rubes getting scammed.
>>520980657>DURRRR I DONT KNOW HOW TARIFFS WORK BECAUSE I AM BROWNgoatfucker
>>520984635If your profit margin is 20% and you have to pay tarrifs of 20% guess what the fuck is happening you toddler, gtfo
>>520980657The fat fucks in this country need to consume less
>>520980657You WILL pay American workers a real living wage to make your slop and you will enjoy it.
>>520980657nobody forces you to buy tariffed goods. tariffs are a tax on economic treason.
>>520980769Socialism good, especially the national kind
>>520984776They wont raise the price so they dont piss off the US consumer. They've been eating the tariffs and theyll continue to and for some reason it makes you leftists enraged that companies are paying their fair share.
>>520984635you cannot be this stupidbuy loan mower for 500 USD form china delivered no tariff buy loan mower for 500 USD from china delivered for 2500 USD that's with tariff you pay the tariff
>>520980859If you make over 100k and aren't sitting pretty, fuck you, you recklessly spending fuckface.
>>520980657Nothing is going to given back.Trump already lied about the muh 2k to his cultists. Also, the US Government has not balanced the budget/ spending.
>>520984729>You can absolutely pay off the debt.If I was the Fed and i loan you $1 with 10% interest due on that loan but never print/create more than that $1 - How are you going to pay me back including the interest due?
>>520984706You want to know why national debt doesn't matter? To put it in dum dum terms for you, it's because of where the Fed gets it's money from. Do you know where or how that happens?
>>520984729>You can absolutely pay off the debt. Bring the interest rate below the growth rate.You're an idiot.What is:>Compounding Interestversus>Simple Interest
>>520984631Stop spending so much money then, moron.
>>520981899Lol 100k is lower middle class. Just because you live under a bridge doesn't mean everyone do. Give it a few years and 100k want even afford you a crack den.
>>520980657>>520980769a. don't the leafs do this shit with carbon taxes? b. tariffs are on foreigners, not Americans
>>520984941Delusional retard spotted
>>520984864Nah you're trolling with how retarded you're being
>>520984977he is a paid pajeet shill
>>520980657Spoiler: they will pay off USA's debt with OpenAI stock, rofl and topkek.
>>520984776porsche had its margins almost zeroed by tariffs because it refused to raise prices. nothing has changed for the end consumers. it is like that for almost every product. you simply have men in the middle reducing their obscene margins with very little price change for the end consumer
>>520980657At what point is this not communism?
>>520980769It’s getting OUR money back. Not giving money to people who never put in. You people are retarded. And if these tariffs can force manufacturing to come back to the US to increase the amount of well paying jobs, then it will be worth it.
>>520985031yep. thats communism.
>>520980657What a retard. >almost no inflationinflation is a different thing, you could have no inflation and still make people poorer by transferring their money to the government via taxeshowever, he is still making inflation higher thruogh public spending and by telling the fed to lower rates. even if there is low inflation, it's still more than it would be otherwise.>record stock market pricethis does nothing for wagies>paying down our enormous debtno comment, whoever takes him seriously on this just can't be helped kek
>>520984901>>520984901>>520984901
>>520985031sure changing the tariff policy daily is to bring in manufacturing, and not crypto scam
>>520983743You must 18 to post here. Whole foods are more expensive than packaged foods you actual fucking child. I have more money than you btw. My truck is worth more than youre life.>>520984480>shitskin can't comprehend what he reads Figures.
Just raise your postage costs that Americans pay and then he redistributes it thinking it's profit lol
>>520984997>eurotranny is madGood >>520984866Do you have any proof thats happening?
>>520985031>It’s getting OUR money backHow is it OUR/YOUR Money? It is created via a Private Corporation called the Federal Reserve, not via the supposed Government.
>>520985058You don’t know the meaning of the word. A tax refund is a planned economy. Good one, idiot.
Consumers do not pay the tariffs. The tariffs get priced into the supply chain to varying degrees depending on the transferability of production and inelasticity of the product. In many cases, even the importer that pays the tariffs directly is just a subsidiary wholesaler of the exporter. It’s time to stop lying/being retarded.
>>520985058Communism is about taking your property. Nothing else.
>>520984900Trump stills owes everyone $8000 dollar DOGE stimulus cheques, now he owes an extra $2000. If we count the Covid days he owes us $14,000 more for the months we went without stimmies and still suffered economically. Fuck this jewish orange faggot. His approval rating should go to fucking zero until he pays us all back what we are owed.
>>520981968I didn't get it either and I was fine with it because I have never once gotten anything from the government that did not have the explicit intent to be repaid (student loans) so I feel free to say they can suck my dick because my entire life all they've done is take from me
>>520985157So you aren’t interested in getting money for doing anything right? It’s isn’t your money. Because the federal reserve. Nice on.
>>520985031It's not your money, although money is your God. You didn't make it, you just trade your life for it.It's not about jobs. It's about resources. Being able to produce e.g. a vehicle in your territory is infinitely more valuable than importing one for "cheap". How the fuck are you guys so money-fucked in the head? Don't make me stay up late tonight
>>520982583globzis hate it
>>520985003Said the meme flag. The rent is a minimal 3000k a month if you are like and after takes 100k is just 5.5k a month so you are spending 54% of your income on rent, how is that not lower middle class. It is the definition of living pay check to pay check.
>>520980657Isn't that what Commies want to do when they insist on raising taxes on the Rich?How is tariffs NOT raising taxes on the rich?Is it because the tariffs hurt non-white/non-american companies?Tariffs are Taxes on the Rich you utter fuckwits.
>>520985241Stop being so fucking ignorant.
>>520985153well chat-bot lets see how the humans vote in the next election
>>520985171>tax citizens>force manufacturing sectors to suit the states needs.>Capitalism!
>>520980657Avg person will never see a dime.
>>520983743>Learn to cook instead of buying snacks and packaged garbage.This is somebody who's never actually gone grocery shopping and saw another anon tell him to subsist off dry beans and rice. 80/20 ground beef is up to $7/lb lil bro.
>>520981899How do Kings live?
>>520980657he wont do shit any one that falls for this is a fool, he's just trying to take away political pressure for cutting subsidies with a throw away tweet
>>520985294Stfu memeflaggot. Anyway what Trump should be doing with tariff revenue is eliminating the income tax for the bottom 90% of tax payers.
>>520984997shitjeet alertpoo in the loo
>>520985257> Being able to produce e.g. a vehicle in your territory is infinitely more valuable than importing one for "cheap".What do you think tariffs actually do? You think they don’t do this?
>>520983740What production exist in the United States that it can be channeled into? I work in manufacturing and most places are running at capacity. Modern manufacturing plants if built will be highly automated. My plant used to employ 3000 people but it down to 400 now and our production is higher now than peak employment. And I am going to be automating about 50 people out of a job by next year.We live in a changed economy and the corporations and jews want to continue with the same policies of the past few decades rather than pay a tax. 40% of our stock market is 7 companies which employs 1.1M people. 0.3% of the us population. Triple that to count suppliers and 0.9% of the US population contributes to 40% of stock market. No one can tell me this not just a modern feudalism forming under the current system of oilgarcy.
>>520980859Most people don't even make $30k a year, who the fuck cares about people who make over $100k? You have more than enough to afford a real healthy diet and a steady supply of prostitutes.
>>520984412the tariff amount just gets passed to the product.
>>520985290No answer. Typical.
>>520980657Trump is a fucking retarded orange fat fuck zionist I dont want $2k I want the ability to own a home and tge ability to afford the cost of living, I want these fucking illegals and beaners in general OUT. Also its embarrassing these judges and governors can defy and ignore him, and all he does is make some stupid social post with some trite nicknaming gimmick.
>>520985297>bring jobs into the country>idiot hates it because corporations can’t send jobs overseas anymore>calls it communism
>>520980657Are consumers really the one hurt the most? I thought it was the businesses that import stuff because if they price in tariffs they become non-competitive? I've gotten the impression that a lot of people just assume this will be some temporary retardom and has hoped to tank it for a while.
>>520985388Then why hasn't that happened?
>>520985031This is such a stupid cope jfl. Giving money? You talk like chinese manufacturers are basically pajeet scammers who are getting free money from americans. No. Every time someone buys something from China, they want to spend that money and they get what they wanted.If anyone was getting scammed, they would not fall for it over and over and no tariff would be necessary for them to stop buying.Tariffs will for sure force manufacturing to go back to the US, for sure. This is a fact, if it suddenly can't be imported, it will have to be manufactured locally. But a law that creates jobs by introducing an obstacle to free trade will not improve the economy overall. It will create some jobs at the expense of other people's money and that's about it.
>>520980818Nobody voted for Donald expecting him to know anything except how to please Netanyahu, the prince of jews.
>>520985511Thats what happens but liberals here need to hate tariffs because drumpf did it.
>>520985157>>520985241clown to clown conversation
>>520980657lol what a cope. Americans on my app spent 30% less this year. I mean... they are still the audience that spends the most but spending of other countries barely went down this year.
>>520984901First of all -- you don't need to pay interest, that's a policy choice. Second, the only thing the government accepts as payment for its bonds is its own currency in the first place, it's own debt. It doesn't fucking matter if you pay it off or not.And I just fucking told you how to do it -- but it doesn't actually matter because what the debt actually is is a record of money the government has spent into the economy that it has not removed with taxation! It's a process that has to happen because money originates FROM THE GOVERNMENT. They must spend, operationally, before anyone else has income.And because the logic of double entry bookkeeping is iron clad, there will always be a deficit somewhere. Whether its a domestic government deficit or foreign nations in deficit because you are now running a trade surplus. But the sum total of all assets and liabilities are mirrored and must always balance to zero -- and they do.
>>520985365Fed Wage Cuck alertTongue my anus Nuke India>>520985368Tariffs require companies engaging in certain actions to pay the govenrment a certain amount of money. Ask better questions.
>>520985266Look how well you've been trained to obey and consume.>>520985310I just recently bought half a cow from a local rancher, it's in my deep freezer. I feel bad for you, you probably don't even have a garden. You're retarded and you live in the box they made for you. Good boy >>520985106>bragging about his truck Yeah you're a paragon of financial advice, bragging about your expensive toys just after complaining that you don't have enough money.
>>520985616The Currency/Federal Reserve Note does not belong to the "Government" you retard. It is property of the Federal Reserve Bank. They own it.
>>520980657>communism with extra steps
>>520985762you pay the tariff literally in the customs you do the paying
>>520980657who is it that will become $37 trillion richer from this? who does USA owe this money to?
>>520985779>complaining that you don't have enough moneyI didn't do that you illiterate nigger, I spoke on behalf of people who don't. Go be poor back in your section 8 housing and wait for White men to kill you when SHTF, gutter trash.
>>520980657this
>>520980657
This guy is paying off the debt, that's why he added more to the US debt, and had the largest deficit of any President in American history.LMFAOhttps://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD
>>520985203>Rican demanding gibsKYS retard. We need to give you to Cuba
>>520985616>before anyone else has incomeYou don't even know what Income is.
>>520985779Lol this fag is hitting all the incel LARP talking points. Now tell us you actually make $400k working from home.
>>520985919tariffs killed the economy so bad, that the goberment ran out of money
>>520985792The Fed has zero authority to impact Congressional spending. All of the conspiracy garbage around the Fed is disinformation so the right wing parasites who control it can push their dumb austerity right wing bullshit narrative.The Congress apportions spending, full fucking stop. The second Congress does that, those bank reserves ARE IN THE SYSTEM. The Fed has nothing to do with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pex89N9Oqog
>>520981188You're wasting your time trying to tell them that. Anyone who hasn't figured out by now that tariffs are just a form of indirect taxation is a lost cause.They're no different than the NPC cattle we have here who will never comprehend that the "employer's contribution" part of their salary is deducted from their gross salary, which the employer already calculated and took into account before hiring them.
>>520985974He is a piece of shit.This fucking nigger president literally added so many trillions to the US debt and yet no one looks at the numbers.Feel like I'm literally insane every time I browse this board and people glaze this orange conman jew lover.
>>520981188>>520985990Do you want to show some research, logical argument, cite any business example case studies? Anything at all? Because you’re objectively wrong and until Trump pushed tariffs literally anyone who had any clue at all knew and affirmed this.
>>5209860394changpt
>>520980657>muh tarrif tax on the consumer.
>>520985990>>520986039>eurotrannys are madGood fuck you
For people concerned about the $38T debt -- do you want to give it your best ballpark estimate on what the total asset value of the United States actually is?
>>520985947He lives with his parents and makes money doing gig jobs like instacart.
>>520986099>believing government figures>>520986108>Bot or FWC
>>520981899Niggas be dating coke fiends on the side lmaooo
>>520986171Retard.You think the asset value of the US matters when the dollar loses its global hegemony in 50 years?How will you be measuring that asset value? With a dollar that has declined enormously in value?LMFAO>>520986108Retard, I am saying what I am saying because I love America and this orange jew lover sold it out so a bunch of tech kikes could milk it for money.
>>520980657Every day new amazing things at murica....not good but amazing.
>>520985616That's not exactly how it works, the fed gives money to banks directly as well, to loan. There's also the way banks recirculate money by loaning it over and over, as, due to the fed, they don't have to actually have the money that people deposit in them.The government doesn't have to spend money so people have an income. People used to use their own currencies for transactions, and had an income, but then governments started forcing theirs, so they can print their own free money.>>520986099Who the fuck cares?If the government increased income tax, and statistically, after tax income had not decreased, would you say the tax increase had no effect on income?You have the IQ of someone who would read that post by trump and go "he's so right!"
>>520986234>>520986250Why do you eurotards think Americans care about your opinions? You should be focused on fixing your dystopian shitholes, the fact you obsess over US politics like a typical deranged liberal implies youre ok with your countries.
>>520985984>The Fed has zero authority to impact Congressional spending.HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA! Holy fucking shit.Good luck in your vast ignorance buddy. It's sheeple like you are are a bigger problem than ZOG/NWO. Here is a perfect quote that describes you and your ilk:Did you ever notice how many of the other slaves get upset if you try to retain your labor. You are called an extremist, terrorist and sometimes even a freeman. They say that you are anti-government. When the truth of the matter is you just don’t want to be a slave. However, you do not have the right to force others to be free if they want to be a slave that is entirely up to them. If they want to bow down and worship corporations, let them. The United States, Great Britain and the Pope are not the problem. It is the other slaves. We would be free if the want-to-be-slaves were gone."
>>520986066What would you accept as a valid study or source? Goldman Sachs estimates that the American consumer will take up to 60% of the cost. I assume you won’t accept a Jewish analysis though, so what would do it? When you talk about tariffs, you need to understand that they only work to reshore manufacturing if they are static. Nothing is more poisonous to a potential business than instability. Trump uses tariffs in two distinct ways 1.) as a way to induce manufacturing to return 2.) as a bargaining chip to get what he wants The second method corrupts the first; only a fool would invest in an unstable environment where the tariffs could change with a single bad dream and a tweet. As such, tariffs operate as a permanent tax, particularly for products that have no domestic alternative and will never have a domestic alternative.
>>520986323Oh no! He spent 5 minutes on pol discussing US politics! That means he spends 99% of his time doing that!Remember, you will always be an emotional low iq faggot and you possess the mind of a woman.Remember this factoid until the day you die.
>>520986234>believing anecdotals
>>520986281>who the cares about the CPI report.Found the jew
>>520980657Not only that but they'll just fucking tax you for it later. Note that he specifically says rich people won't be getting it (taxed)
>>520985513They have been told over and over that tariffs get passed on to the consumer and they bought it so deeply that they are unable to realize that even though tariffs are passed on in MOST cases its very clear they aren't being passed on in THIS case as our inflation is far too low at the moment for that to be happening.
>>520980769>you can't just refund tax monies goyim>that money should go to IsraelDive head first into the nearest preheated oven.
>>520986323Because we love you and forgive you and we want the best for you. Truly.
>>520986387Go back to rĕddit you delusional freak>>520986478It's amazing to see in real time. They're such useful idiots for the very people they say they hate.
>>520986250>You think the asset value of the US matters when the dollar loses its global hegemony in 50 years?There are hundreds of countries around the world with very high standards of living that don't have currency hegemony. It doesn't matter if anyone wants to use the US dollar. It's not required for the government to provision itself.
Nigger
>>520981260so its a tax on corporations?
>>520986631>corporations pay their fair share>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>520986281The government does have to spend money for people to have income in the unified State currency. If you want a bunch of different currencies floating around, that's on you.Now, you can have REAL RESOURCES without government money. Because money is not a real resource, it's not an asset -- 60 years of unending monetarist propaganda doesn't change that. Money is a unit of account. Credits and debits.The government spends first operationally. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BYhoMILwR4&t=43s
>>520980657I just realized recently the 401ks and stock market are pumping because the dollar is losing value. By "paying down" your ENOURMOUS DEBT he really means "devalue". How many anons understand?
>>520986631Yes, and thats a good thing.Especially since its a tax on foreign corporations.
>>520986550You see it in how they immediately attacked his "50 year mortgage" plan. These people are the very ones complaining about high home prices yet they are roasting trump for having the audacity to suggest a plan that could help them. The only plan they have is "la free housing" which is not realistic in any way. They live in a literal different universe.
>>520985031Wait a second, wouldn't that mean that YOU are paying the tariffs, not foreign countries like Trump promised?
>>520986804>>520986831Tariffs are a penalty on the corporations that outsource and offshore American manufacturing and production. And because liberals are useful idiots for them they are very mad.
>>520986797Yes, that's precisely how literally every country on the planet has dealt with financial difficulties, five years ago the EU did "bail ins" where they literally took the money they needed directly out of the citizens savings account.
>>520986831What would actually lower home prices is removing the interest and adopting technologies (like mass timber) and subsidizing the infrastructure to support them.Trump is trying to eat his cake and have it, too. He is part of the rentier parasite class and doesn't want to address the structural problem of rentier parasitism.Colbert, List, Clay, Ricardo, Smith, George, etc. They all recognized this problem.
>>520986797Depreciation helps pay off domestic debts but as far as a I understand, it makes it more difficult to pay off foreign debt and it makes the country less attractive in the bond market, which the US doesn’t want. The debt is a sinister mixture of domestic and foreign, so simply devaluing the dollar won’t work. Plus devaluing the dollar would lead to an even greater inflationary environment, and at a certain point, the profits lost from the American consumer begins to outweigh the benefits gained by depreciating the currency. If this is actually their strategy, it’s a serious long shot. You would be banking that the American consumer can handle even higher prices, and I’m not sure they can.
>>520985106>youre liferetard confirmed
>>520982583Good idea.
>>520985372This is why Elon thinks most people wont be working soon and we’ll have to move to UBI. Humans will think of something even if the future is mainly automated AI factories and logistics. We’ll invent new things to do. Likely we wont simply recede to just internet/entertainment grifting or fuedalism, but use AI to reach even greater feats of tangible creations. Like reading unlocked the hidden potential in the populace. So will AI. Bigger, better, faster economies will be built. Production and manufacturing wont stop for many centuries to come. And today we still need the workers and people to create the foundations for this future majority automated infrastructure.As to how to channel it. Trump is doing alright bringing in productive individuals, next is moving away from speculation: https://youtu.be/EC0G7pY4wRE?si=enFCPSbAgIRTzRd5&t=510
>>520987047He's been calling for interest rate drops since before he won again. That's what is stopping me personally from buying a house right now, the mortgage payments are too much.
>>520986384Literally anything. Just give me one thing. I dedicated over a decade of my life to academic study and professional research and teaching in the field of economics. I and everyone else in Econ knows that this idea that domestic consumers always for all tariffs is just a flat out lie. There is not and has never been anything to support this. It doesn’t even make basic sense logically. Many of these importers are fucking foreign wholesalers first of all. Second, where exactly price shocks get priced in depends on a confluence of factors, most of which are definitely in Americans’ favor. It seems to me what happened is all you lazy illiterates who have never read a single case study or economic paper in your lives and never will, listened to all the lying journos who decided to push a narrative simply to counter whatever Trump says and you all bought it hook, line, and sinker. That’s why you can’t give me even a single case study, good economic paper, or anything else like that. Not even one. It’s a lie and you fell for it.
>>520987174>We’ll invent new things to doNo, you'll be exterminated en masse.
>>520987153Congrats favela monkey, you caught me making a typo with an e that sits right next to r on the keyboard. Legitimately the biggest accomplishment of your life.
>>520980769I'm offended by this and I'm a POCSending to your local constabularyI hope for your sake you're a POC like me
>take a fuckload of taxpayer money and give it directly to healthcare companies and hold the elections hostage>claim you care about the peopleDemocrats. Not even once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5JTn7GS4oA
>>520980859>I'm a victim since this affects my parents
>>520980657>(not including high income people)So maga wealth redistribution, basically
>>520987271Okay if the analysis conducted by Goldman Sachs won’t work for some reason, how about this: http://www.econ.ucla.edu/pfajgelbaum/rtp_update.pdf#page2The original paper referenced is behind a paywall (this is an addition) but as a renowned economist I would imagine that you have access. The tables are still there. tl;dr: consumers picked up the tab when Trump fought for tariffs the first time around
>>520981479>Only deindustrialised nations would consider it a taxChief Justice John Roberts called Trump's tariffs a tax that Americans pay. Trump can't seem to grasp this very basic economic concept, and that's why the stupidest MAGA people are misinformed about it.
>>520980769There's no such thing as the word socialism. Marx said the word is communism and that's the fucking word we're going to use limey fagot.
>>520987054They will spread the debt across all crypto holders using government backed stablecoins
Do you people seriously think this will happen? Trump won't even remember having said anything about a dividend tomorrow. Just like chuds have forgotten about the 5k dividend that Musk promised DOGE would bring.
>>520980769$2k isn't socialism, it's just a tiny tax rebate.
>>520986831Adding more buyers to house market will not lead to the reduction in house prices.50 year mortages are a dumbass plan.Remove property taxes for your primary house, triple property taxes on any other housing.Ban corporations and non-citizens from owning single family properties.That's how you fix this issue, demand destruction hand in hand with making it cheaper for housing to be lived in.>>520987182>He's been calling for interest rate drops since before he won againYou either keep the interest rates high and suffer 3% inflation, or you drop them and get 5-7% inflation.There is no way out of this hole that's easy.
>>520987831Can you explain what you mean? I’m honestly curious and don’t understand. Who are the crypto holders in this scenario?
>>520981066Unless they balance the unaffordable items such as food and shelter it doesn't matter if he gives everyone 100k. All it does is let the corpos raise prices as the stupid goyim clap like chimps.
>>520987682>Goku powering up noises
>>520984020That's not what the tweet says.
>>520986948but why does there even have to be a penalty? its normal for corporations to buy materials from other countries. often its even necessary. and its not like its illegal.
>>520988123You need more government-owned housing. Not Section 8, which is just a subsidy to politically connected landlords.
>>520988265>but why does there even have to be a penalty? To promote onshoring, and jobs in America.>its normal for corporations to buy materials from other countries. often its even necessary. and its not like its illegalOk, and?
>>520980657I haven’t had any money taken from me though?
>>520988578>You need more government-owned housingYou mean like Sectio>Not Section 8, which is just a subsidy to politically connected landlords.>What's 2+2>Not 4, give me the actual answer.What do you want me to say here.
>n-no see it's ok because we're getting our tax paid back to us! (after the costs of government bureaucracy, plus tip)lel, stupid MIGA cope.
>>520987342Human history is just filled with expedited manufacturing processes and the populations multiplying instead.
>>520988891So it was better under democrats who taxed us but didn't give us anything back? What exactly is the alternative you are promoting?
>>520988674Section 8 is not owned by the government. It is not publicly-owned housing. The government pays a private landlord a "market rate" rent on behalf of the subsidized occupant (who in turn pays a nominal portion of rent and utilities).It was thought up by private landlords who realized that public housing was undercutting their "asset". So public housing was systematically attacked, first through desegregation, then underfunding, then de-funding, and then introducing Section 8.
>>520987718You didn’t even read the methodology. They made a slew of assumptions which are at best unreasonably justified and highly specific. The sample and methods they used assume specific attributes that are not actually the case in aggregate economies or beyond short-run effects. They also directly discounted tariff revenues and producer gains and said nothing of wage effects lmao. The scope is not nearly wide enough nor the methods rigorous and well-justified enough for this to be a good study. In fact, it’s barely a study. It’s more like propaganda or slop advisory that some firm can shop to clients. Be honest. You didn’t even read this paper did you? You can’t honestly read this and have any clue but think this is good research.
>>520989019section 8 is for the successful slum lords, guaranteed rent payment from the government for life
>>520987718They also didn’t even provide a counterfactual analysis what price effects we might have seen in lieu of tariffs and priced in retaliation to tariff policy, which are both so blatantly dishonest.
>>520980657I sense that you're upset.
>>520989019Oh, so unironic commie blocks then.How is this more benefical than house being owned by the people living in them.
>>520989306There is nothing wrong with people owning the house they live in. These aren't competing ideas.
>>520980657>take money from consumers via taxes, then give a part of it back and call it free healthcare
>>520980818Because, Israeli funding aside, a massive fortune is being paid in interest to Jews every single day.
>>520989385Paying interest on bonds is a policy choice. There's nothing operationally that requires it. But maybe they should pay interest because pension funds like to earn interest.. It's a policy choice.
>>520980769>why yes i am a shit eating retard hurr durr you know?lucky guess
>>520989278>Most Respected Country In the Worldnot upset at all, personally i'm enjoying the show.
>>520989547enjoying the show of what? muslims taking over y our country? or people being locked up for facebook posts? or your cities falling apart because they're run by pedos? or your children being mass gang raped by pedo pakistani gangs? or your government covering up the mass gang rapes? or your government taking away all your guns and knives? that show?
>>520989350>These aren't competing ideasSo why not have the government build houses and then sell them to prospective home owners.
>you can't tax the rich and give to the poor that's doin' a heckin' socialism>but you CAN tax the rich corporations with tariffs and give to the poor, that's a heckin' awesome "rebate"Yep, you retards proved my point. Because it's zion don doing it, it magically isn't socialism.
>>520980657For me it is a gift, I barely consume anything other than the bare essentials. Based, Trump is making the rich pay
>>520989916>you CAN tax the poor and give to the rich corporations, that's doin' a heckin' capitalismWhat stinky?>the government spends $181 billion a year on aid to businesseshttps://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/corporate-welfare-federal-budget-0
>>520981978I mean 8333 per month, where is it going? Is that 100k before or after taxes?
He said $2000 "will be paid" thats a direct statement
>>520984480In USA you have to put money away for contingencies such as the stock of your company going down 0.00003% and the owners deciding to lay you off. In order to get a new job you need to go through a process called "job interview" where a series of HR lazy girlbosses will decide whether you get to feed your family and not go homeless based on your "ick" factor. You also have to put money away for retirement, otherwise you will only get government pensions which is going to be $400/month when you retire. Translation: if you only put away $10k/year you are pretty much fucked.
>>520989829You certainly could do that. It's possible that not all prospective homeowners will have the upfront money for that.
>>520989082I think I’m seeing a trend here. If the study suggests consumers pay for tariffs, it’s shit. Vaguely hand-waving away assumptions the paper makes without specifying what they are, problems with the scope, etc. I’ve provided two studies, and you’ve said they’re both bad. How about you provide some case studies in support of tariffs? You never told me why the variety of analyses conducted by Goldman is bad, by the way. You just moved past it. https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/how-tariffs-are-forecast-to-affect-us-stocksThey’re lying I suppose? Perhaps we can turn this to a theoretical conversation. In theory, why wouldn’t tariffs affect the price of goods if there is no domestic alternative? For example, if you are a Chinese company manufacturing strollers and there is no alternative for this product in the US, why would you eat the tariff and lower prices? If you are the importer paying a fee on top of the product being imported, which hasn’t changed price, why wouldn’t you pass it on to the consumer? In theory, why don’t consumers pay for tariffs in this instance? If you’re able, please refrain from name calling and saying everyone is stupid and shit. Do your best to explain.
>>520984020>>520984631>fully dependent upon HOW MUCH the recipient has actually paid into the Tariff Tax schemewait...so tariffs were just a tax on consumers? i thought the other countries were supposed to pay these tariffs. why would any recipient in the united states of paid any "tariff tax"?
>>520989828no, the show that you and yours are putting on for the rest of the world, it's very entertaining. it was a bold decision to forego the laughter track but i think it has worked. thank you.
>>520988265I dont think you know the meaning of offshoring and outsourcing
>>520989916We do tax the rich, you dumb NAFOtroon
>>520991103>you can't tax the rich (more)There you go you pedantic prick.
>Hmmm let me ruin the dollar milkshake theory by putting up barriers and losing world reserve currency status to the Chinks, Poos, Slav, and nigger BRICSGENIUS!
The market opens in a few hours, get ready for a moon mission.
>>520990801>>520989547enjoying the show of what? muslims taking over y our country? or people being locked up for facebook posts? or your cities falling apart because they're run by pedos? or your children being mass gang raped by pedo pakistani gangs? or your government covering up the mass gang rapes? or your government taking away all your guns and knives? that show?
>>520990533>and there is no alternative for this product in the US, why would you eat the tariff and lower pricesThis is the way tariffs are intended to work in the long term; it is aimed to remove this part of the problem with domestic production. The benefits of tariffs are almost always delayed. We've been at essentially zero on so much for so long that there was no price advantage to domestic production. Now there is in many cases—but the market has to figure out what that price advantage is before private investment is willing to risk capital on production, you know? A big part of that is NEEDING a trade deal with China and India in particular. Too much uncertainty on how much price advantage they can potentially gain. They also need to believe it'll stick around long enough for them to benefit, so it'll have to be a firm deal that'll end up requiring an act of Congress. Tariffs need 18-24 months to pay off
>>520980859It was around $250k during Covid. They'll probably keep that same figure. My honest advice to anyone who gets a stimulus check, if they go through with this, is to pay off debt. If you have debt that is close to being paid off, finish it. If you have high interest debt, pay it down. DO NOT ENGAGE IN CONSUMERISM.Jesus Christ is Lord
Fuck them rich people i want my money gimme my money anyone making over 100K is a dog they dont deserve shit they need to pay they fair share gimme my money trump.
>>520991289the rich has a total of $7 trillion in wealth, that's a yearly budget for us.
>>520991786Tariffs will not work in the long term for the reasons I give here: >>520986384There is too much uncertainty around these particular tariffs to justify moving production. Furthermore, even if these tariffs were permanent, unchanging, and sustainable, a business will not be able to create a factory and be up and running in a matter of 1-2 years. You need to survey the land, source the labor, bid for contracts, strike ground, figure out the supply chain, figure out the contracts within that supply chain, and build the factory. It takes a company like Nissan years to refurbish an already existing factory. It will take much longer than two years. Even if factories were able to get up and running this quickly, it would still be years for the American consumer to get back the money they lost paying tariffs in the first place. More than this, it would cost more money to manufacture cheap goods like strollers with our wages and benefits than it would be to import them, even with tariffs. Plus, China can depreciate their currency on whim to dodge tariffs, which they are already doing. None of this really matters because Trump’s ever-shifting stance on tariffs makes investment unlikely anyways. He can sing songs all day about the factories that are pouring into the US, but I don’t know of any.
Did you guys know that they found for every $1 spent on SNAP benefits, $1.70 gets put into the economy. Not rich people's accounts. Not stock buy backs. The consumption-based economy.
>>520988134Stablecoins park their reserves in short term treasuries. Every time you use a stablecoin backed by the dollar you are getting IOU backed by US treasuries. You are then helping fund the US debt and every time US devalues its debt through inflation the burden is felt by all the stablecoin users worldwide. That's as much as I understand it, I'm no expert.
>>520981374> Shit is about to hit the fan> YoU aLl GeT $2000 gUyS I SwEaRBurgers are so fucking retarded
>>520980657what's high income? My wife and I make 200k a year but we're still struggling (expensive state)
First MIGA tards OWNED da libtards by stealing their nigger loving social policies. Now they're going to OWN da libtards once again by stealing their economic policies too. Owning the libtards by...becoming exactly like the libtards. You were warned this would happen YEARS ago.
>>520980769No retard. Welfare state != socialism. Socialism = government owns the means of production. Learn what words mean. Also, bongs should stay out of US politics. You have the eradication of your countrymen to worry about.
>drop shipping scam artists>"muh consumers"
>Most respectedCopium
>>520992887divorce her and move away from whatever toilet city you're needlessly clinging to.
>>520981428>The government absolutely needs to sell bondsNo they don't you dildo. The Anon you're replying to is suggesting they could monetize the debt. Which they should be doing given the current alternative where the fed still creates money out of thin air, but only to buy failed assets from wall street (QE). All banking should be nationalized. It's as simple as that. The current alternative is a scam that benefits only private interests.
>>520993157>move away from high income area>live with niggers>take a pay cut>divorce your wife and childrenyou're brown aren't you
>>520983072>$10,000 to groceries400 pound hamplanet detected
>>520993244sorry about your life man. good luck. actually fuck you faggot
>>520993201The feds independence is the only thing keeping the US from destruction. If our bank was nationalized, you would see a total flee from the dollar so extreme that the depreciation would make Weimar Germany would blush. Can you imagine if Trump were the guy calling the shots on interest rates? Everyone with a brain would liquidate their bonds and the US would have no way to pay them outside of the exact thing you’re worried about: printing money.
>>520989828>>520991674you seem to have made exactly the same post, the jannies should really do something about that. unfortunately they're unpaid and overworked. poor jannies.
>>520986560>It doesn't matter if anyone wants to use the US dollarYou are one massive fucking retard.The reason the US has been so powerful is because it has enforced use of its currency RETARD.By forcing it to be the global standard, they can print it cheaply, use it for import purchases and paying for manufacturing abroad.With it no longer being valued, it means that the strategy of printing mass amounts of dollars will no longer work, and it will have ripple effects with treasuries and countries that hold us debt or have used their US dollar reserves acquired through exports for purchasing US assets/bonds etc.You are a fucking RETARD.
>>520993387Kill yourself you retarded sheltered daddy's boy nigger.>The USDA estimates $297–558 for a monthly food budget for one person, $614–963 for a couple, and $996–1,603 for a family of four.https://www.ramseysolutions.com/budgeting/average-cost-of-groceries
>>520980657Call me when they start giving out 2000$ per person.LOL
>>520981188Not him. The capitalists did it.The state can profibit them to increase prices in order for them to compensate for the tariffs in order to have the same profit margin.A just state will prosecute greed.
>>520980657how about paying down the debt first, christ
>>520992964i appreciate the autism, but language is fluid and lots of people have decided that taking from the rich and giving to the poor is socialism a long time ago. no amount of "well actually" can ever put a dent in it.
>>520980769why do foreign zhutbag flaggots care so much about American tariffs?
>>520980657I'm spending my whole 2k on big Macs
>>520996877I'm getting a new computer.
What is considered “high income”. My wife and I get fucked out of every fucking benefit ever except the child tax credit because we earn like 10k above what they always set the cut off at. It’s fucking infuriating.
>>520985947I make $80k working mostly remote, sometimes paid travel, and have my own house, garage, and a big backyard. No roommates, just me in here. My total expenses are well less than half my income.You need to stop believing everything you see on TV. What's your next excuse? Life isn't worth living without the hustle and bustle of the big city? Or you think your tiny 3k apartment is nicer than my house maybe?
Read the fine print, anons. At some point they want us to sign away our social security.
>>520981195>SOSHULISM BAD>NATIONAL SOSHULISM GOOD
>>520980657I'll believe it when it's in my bank account.
>>520980818>Government to college kids: YOU TOOK A LOAN, NOW PAY IT BACK>also Government: UHHH ACTUALLY DEBT IS A GOOD THING CHUD AND WE'RE STRONGER FOR NOT PAYING BACK WHAT WE OWE!"just more jewish scheming
>>520998698bruh you are the exception and we all can't have cozy remote jobspeople with real jobs are subsidizing your job faggot
>>520999406>people with real jobs are subsidizing your job faggotGOOD, work harder you lazy faggot; prop my ass up because you cant do shit about it LMAO
>>520980657yeah i'm sure this time he'll do what he says unlike 100% of the other times where he doesn'tmaybe people should stop being pussies who pretend they believe this shit so they don't have to look in the mirror and accept that they're pathetic human beings that nobody in their lineage would want to know
>>520999406I got lucky, yeah, but it wasn't easy to get to this point either. You can do it too.>>520999218Credit score is such bullshit. To have a good credit score you have to be in debt constantly, and of course pay it off constantly. Just owning your shit or paying for things completely without being in debt makes you a poor consumer and ruins your credit score. People make fun of China's Social Credit system but we pretty much already have the same thing, for the interests of the (((bank)))
>>520980769HAAHAHHAHA
