if your enemy has a million FPV drones + other loitering munitions, then realistically - what can a division of NATO tanks do to survive for longer than 5 minutes?I'd post this question on /k/, but they'd have a collective meltdown
>>521015070NATO doctrine heavily focuses on air superiority
>>521015133>air superiorityplanes alone cannot do much on the ground
>>521015070They don't, the war will be won with nukes or just the side who go exhausted faster, there will be no decisive victory in case of conventional war
>>521015204that's a lazyass answerthe more likely reality though, is that NATO would be dragged into trench warfare, same as with the Ukraine conflict
>>521015070What is Russian army doctrine?
>>521015070tanks won't be used that much in the future
>>521015260>What is Russian army doctrine?heavy reliance on drones, as it seems
>>521015177Not much to do after wiping most enemy logistics and strongpoints>nookNato has nukes too, problem?
>>521015251Yes, the side who get exhausted faster lose, end of case, it is a pure attritional warfare, the entire NATO air force can't cover the massive air space of Russia and even less their land forces, consequently conscription will be necessary not only for this but to replace the massiva loses that will come from that, besides of course the material, will be interesting to see europeans and muttmericans losing their gibs and welfare because mas mobilization and limited resources of a war economy.
>>521015070Something like this probably. Except it'll cost $25,999,999 plus the tip of your dick.
>>521015133Lmao I know. That’s why it’s going to be so funny
>>521015260>posts fake and gay image that was taken down
>>521015441>the entire NATO air force can't cover the massive air space of RussiaYou didn't watch US airforce in action yes?
>>521015070So how is Ukraine surviving for more than 5 minutes? NATO has real air force that would get complete air superiority in one day. How effective were Iranian drones over Israel with full jew air superiority? You vatnik retards are so fucking stupid it's actually amazing.
>>521015521taken down because Russians aren't allowed to post anything that doesn't support the propaganda effort
>>521015070The only reason Ukraine wasn't steamrolled is all the NATO equitment they got. That's actual the really big fuck up about this war, now everyone nows Russias Military can't do shit in an actual war against NATO.
>>521015583zombie was from south korea you retard
>>521015420>Not much to do after wiping most enemy logistics and strongpointsthere's a lot of logistics to wipe, considering Russia's the biggest country on the planet.The issue with the "air superiority" argument is that:>planes have limited range>they need airfields to operate, or aircraft carriers>russia has the capabilities to maintain offensive potential outside of the range of NATO jets>russia has the capabilities to strike all airfields around europe using missiles>russia has enough air-defence capabilities to down hundreds of jetsno need for nooks here
>>521015560Seeing how poles behave on the internet really puts history into perspective
>if your enemy has a million FPV drones + other loitering munitions, then realistically - what can a division of NATO tanks do to survive for longer than 5 minutes?Nothing.But that's the plan.This war will have only one purpose: to kill as many white people as possible.
>>521015070Anti drone electronic warfare is right around the corner Julio.
>>521015441LMAO 30 jew F-35's got complete air superiority over Iran. EU NATO has almost 2000 fighter jets including around 200 F-35s.
>>521015654Cute cope with no argument LMAO. Keep bitching faggot.
>>521015808Ok. You’re just going to to repeat the same patterns of behavior with the same arrogance and stupidity that will lead to the same outcome for your people as has been happening for the last 250 years.
>>521015070I you need to know we will poop on you subhumans with our asses
>>521015070APS, a drone is nothing more then a funky ATGM.APS is answer. High capacity APS.
I think you can read all about it, they developed them in the '60s and it was all about defending the Fulda Gap with a big tank and helicopter battle with air support and etc. and blah blah and if they failed they'd blow the whole area sky high with nuclear land mines and tactical nukes.They pretty much stuck with this until the fall of the Soviet Union, then after that the focus turned to spending even more money on whatever they wanted but especially with an eye to mass surveillance of their own NATO home country populations, also irritating Russia by stirriung up all kinds of trouble.
>>521015917yeah that's pretty much how it goes down usuallyPoland is the definition of "we wuz kangs" civilisation. If you talk to average middle-class polak, all of them nonstop shill about their "aristocratic roots" and show off their family coat of arms. The funny bit is that most of Polish aristocracy is historically made-up. But they continue to insist on their claim to power over Eastern Europe.Now utilising EU tax money and US geopolitical needs, to build up the biggest army in Europe for obvious reasons. We all know how it will end.
>>521015070So why has Ukraine lasted years rather than minutes retard?
It would be a good time to invest in drone company stocks.
>>521015956>APS, a drone is nothing more then a funky ATGM.>APS is answer. High capacity APS.eh no. ATGMs are high velocity projectiles, drones literally can approach you at snail-speed, and avoid detection.
>>521016186Way too late.Invest in prosthesis manufacturers.
>>521015177planes dont need to do much because they are fighting Armies not civilians pretending to be soldiers pretending to be civilians.Planes can not occupy, but they can win battles.
>>521016117>So why has Ukraine lasted years rather than minutes retard?Ukraine is not a tank. And I don't see many Ukrainians tanks operating in the war.
>>521016114>all of them nonstop shill about their "aristocratic roots"This explains a lot, I wondered why at least 2 different Poles I've met IRL have randomly brought up that their name ending in -ski or -ska somehow means they're descended from nobility
>>521015070The weak spot is where the gun turret connects to the main tank, The Germans already solved this problem in WWI.
>>521016289>Planes can not occupy, but they can win battles.what kind of battles? What can a plane do to a larg village that has 10,000+ buildings, and each buildings has enemy units?
>>521016322Challenger 2. NATO Main Battle Tank., Has been operating in Ukraine for years. Invaded Russia even. Is still going despite muh drones.
>>521016399The first combat loss of a Challenger 2 was in Ukraine
>>521016399>Challenger 2. NATO Main Battle Tank., Has been operating in Ukraine for years. Invaded Russia even. Is still going despite muh drones.I don't see Ukraine winning any battles despite that though. And frankly speaking, there is very little footage from the war involving tanks in general
>>521016461And?
>>521016399>confirmed kills by tank>0>losses>nearly 30mk
>>521016493>And?and the point is that tanks can't survive drones
>>521016485Invaded Russia and held the ground faggot. You don't do that without winning battles.
>>521016493Means it isn't invincible as morons believed
>>521016550>>losses>>nearly 30They don't even have 30 of them retard. Stop getting your news from kremlinbots.
>>521016576>Invaded Russia and held the ground faggot. You don't do that without winning battles.is that "held ground" with us in the room right now?
>>521015251nato will win fast and easily if US is involved
>>521016635>nato will win fast and easily if US is involvedpipedreams let's start from the fact that Russia has the capability to sink aircraft carriers
>>521016621not anymore
>>521016712gottem
>>521016609>Has survived for years in combat against Russia>Has invaded Russia>None captured>Only a couple destroyed >muh drones though!!!!!!!!!
>>521016691spirit bombers will destroy everything important before war even begins. i doubt russia can do much about them
>>521016712Never in the first place retard.
>>521016225reaTRD EH NOATGMS are not high velocity they dont even go mach and detection can be programed. so eh no retard. APS is the solution for armored vehicles.
>>521016777>spirit bomberskekall 10 of them
>what are NATO's war plans?remind every country who has been lacking, to increase military spendingso nothing changed
>>521016881yeah but they are almost undetectable and come without warning
>>521016808>ATGMS are not high velocity they dont even go mach and detection can be programed. so eh no retard. APS is the solution for armored vehicles.an ATGM is a projectile.A drone is a loitering munition. The thing can literally camp in a bush and wait for you to drive by. No APS is going to help.
>>521016949>yeah but they are almost undetectable and come without warningthey'll need to come without warning at least 1 million times, if their plan is to destroy everything relevant in russia
>>521016114>>521016327Lmao really I never heard this? Pretty sure my Polish ancestry bit is from a -ski last name. Are telling me I’m a kang?
>>521016998they'll probably nuke first strike
>>521016920>what are NATO's war plans?Nagging
>>521017037https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachtapolish nobility was a larp
>>521017057>they'll probably nuke first strikenuke what?
>>521016777So what does that mean to be an American ally? That they can save you and win the war anytime they want, but they just choose not to, and maybe they’ll come in after half your country is dead or displaced?
>>521017155I wuz kangI’m also an Irish McCarthyI wuz kang 2x
>>521017217moscow
>>521017256you could nuke aghanistan and win. you chose not to eliminate the enemy
>>521017298>moscowand then what? You know Russia has several federal cities, along with multiple military HQs, and nuclear subs around the world?Cool, you nuke Moscow, then then Russia nukes you back (Moscow as a city isn't necessary to nuke the rest of the world)What's your plan then?
>>521016955retard you got no clou about weapon systems at all. yes each and every APS will help. Its all about detection classification and neutralization. just fuck off child as you dont have any experience and knowledge about weapon systems, radars, thermals of any sort. A drone si Projektile too when it comes at you fucking retard. Holly fuck some US nigger got access to Lithuanian internet. What a disgrace.and no i will not explain it in detail as I want america and american soilders to die for spreading tranny shit and juden around the world.I will actively help the Russian to hit americans hard and get as many killed as possible.
>>521017155Poles really did get fucked with the worst and most selfish elite class ever IIRC. They literally did not care about anything other than maintaining their privileges.
>>521017361russia can also not nuke back and risk more nukes on russian cities
>>521017339Irrelevant ESL response
>>521017463>A drone si Projektile tooabsolute kek >and no i will not explain it in detailbecause you have no caseat this point you will be telling people that a landmine is a projectile (and yes, drones can also behave like landmines btw)
>>521017518>russia can also not nuke back and risk more nukes on russian citiesI don't think you understand how MAD works
>>521017619first nuke would be a warning shot
NATO will pull out Hitler's Blitzkreig and invade them during the winter
>>521015177Russia would of lost ww2 if not for Americans trucks. they had half a million of them. You can't have armies matching while the oppent uses transport
>>521017667Ok good b8
>>521017667>first nuke would be a warning shotfirst nuke would be declaration of nuclear warand all conflicts follow escalation ladderslong-story short, if you had the slightest chance to nuke Russia, you would have already done so. Reality is - you gonna get destroyed if you try it
>>521017679>Russia would of lost ww2 if not for Americans trucksthis meme never gets old
>>521017746Instead we're deleting their oil production.
>>521017801>Instead we're deleting their oil production.send me an email once you succeed
>>521015070Flak cannons. Mount them on everything.
>>521017801Pure propagandaGas is cheap as fuck in Russia
>>521017851Here you go.https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-oil-refinery-energy-infrastructure-5bcdc5753cb9fa64f45c276223c1d8c8
>>521017876Not any more lol.
>>521017929>Here you go.Ukraine has hit an oil refinery =/= Ukraine deleted Russia's oil production. Still waiting for Russia's energy exports to collapse. But the wait is tiresome
>>521015624Why is it struggling against Ukraine then, oh learned one.
>>521017999>Destroying an oil refinery isn't destroying an oil rifineryRetard
>>521017957Its $.82/literWorld average is 1.18Eat shit troon shill, obviously there are no shortages
>>521018023you know that Zelensky several days ago said that there's only ~300 Russian soldiers in Pokrovsk?>>521018042>Destroying an oil refinery isn't destroying an oil rifinery>Retardcool, how did this affect Russia though? Ah right. In no way whatsoever. But keep trying, maybe you will achieve Narnia one day
>>521018122It's up by about 20% compared to a year ago and they're still hitting refineries.
>>521018234>How does not having the fuel to run anything affect russiaRetard
>>521018297oh so Russia ran out of fuel? So why are cars still driving, planes still flying, missiles still launching? Got any bright ideas?
>>521018360Why were the Nazis retard?
>>521018247Nothing that hasnt been fixed. Zero refineries are out of service, faggot shill.Funny how you now admit its cheap and know it was cheaper last year. You pieces of shit just lie with zero shame
>>521017785>The Quote: At a dinner toast during the Tehran Conference in December 1943, Stalin said: "The United States... is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war".>Significance of Trucks: The U.S. delivered over 400,000 trucks to the USSR, while Soviet factories produced less than 200,000 during the same period. These trucks, particularly the Studebaker US6, were used extensively for logistics and even as platforms for Katyusha rocket launchers, providing the Red Army with a mobility it otherwise would have lacked for its major offensives from 1943 onwards.
>>521018401the what?How long will it take you to realise that Zelensky's war tactics are PR tactics to convince western governments to send more money? Russia is doing fine by looks of it.
>>521018440Total lies Ivan. Hope you have firewood, you're going to need it.
>>521015070We just haven't seen real active denial deployed yet.There's various defensive screening systems the drones would have to get through that are deployed outward and loiter as well.Tanks hold land.
>>521018504The Nazis who had huge problems with sourcing fuel for their war machine. They were still marching, still flying planes and rolling tanks but they could do ever less of this as they simply didn't have the supplies to keep it all going.
>>521018463>Stalin said this>Zhukov said thatthis meme was debunked multiple times.You confuse political ass-licking with real life logistics. Nobody disputes that the US helped USSR in WW2.But everyone knows that Hitler's gamble in the East was what determined his downfall from the onset. It's just logistically impossible to conquer Russia, which is why every single attempt to do so failed for 400+ years.
>>521018619>The Nazis who had huge problems with sourcing fuel for their war machine.Russia has resources, Germany doesn'tlearn the difference.This is also btw why EU is so pissy about Russia today.
>>521018689Oil in the ground means fuck all if you can't process it and you can't process it without the big refineries which are increasingly piles of burning scrap.
>>521018799>refineries cant be repaired
>>521018848You going to wave a magic wand and have a fucking industrial chemical plant just appear by magic retard?
>>521018799>Oil in the ground means fuck all if you can't process it and you can't process it without the big refineries which are increasingly piles of burning scrap.again - when will Russia lose the ability to refine oil? In 2 weeks? In 2 years? In 20 years?Can you give me an exact estimate, and bet eating shit if it doesn't come true?Why do niggers like you fall for zelensky's PR stunts so easily? Maybe because you want to
>>521018931>He thinks it's all or nothingSo if Russia can only afford to put fuel in 5 tanks that's going to win a war is it retard?
>>521018908>You going to wave a magic wand and have a fucking industrial chemical plant just appear by magic retard?Ukrainian drones damage at best 5% of the refinery on average. Mega-loss. Kek in practice.Why do you think he was begging so much for tomahawks?
>>521018908the damage is very small and easy to repair.do you think they have to raze down the entire thing because of a small fire?at most this gives like a week or so downtime.
>>521019001>So if Russia can only afford to put fuel in 5 tanks that's going to win a war is it retard?Russia isn't putting fuel into tanks, she's putting fuel into planes. And it's working fine so far
>>521018645Ok how do you move millions of Russians troops without half a million trucks?. March them.?.Without nukes Poland alone could steamroll Russia.I like Russians and Putin but let's be real
>>521015560Yes your planes are going to be a real comfort for you when you get turned into nuclear vapor we get it you are assblasted but we are now having ww3 over your inability to cope about a past you probably where not even alive to witness
>>521019017>The big column of smoke and flame on the horizon coming from where the oil refinery used to be is nothing don't worry comradeskek
>>521019062>Yeah well what if we can only fuel one plane instead huh? What now huh?retard
>>521017037Sems you indeed can claim kangship then
>>521019109>Ok how do you move millions of Russians troops without half a million trucks?. March them.?.ask Napoleon>Without nukes Poland alone could steamroll Russia.you got to be kidding me lmaoPoland tried this many times through history.Realistically, if we take modern warfare constraints, Poland would be bogged down before it could even reach Minsk
>>521019116>start war>get demolished in the sky>nuke your opponent>get nuked back instead of just surrenderingyou belong in africa or somewhere with the other retarded suicidal warlords.
>>521019153>retardso you degenerated to ad hominemsfunny how that happened
>>521019122the fire doesnt burn forever and once its controlled they begin with cleanup and repairs.oil refineries arent all that complicated.
>>521015133Air superiority which was always a bit suspect as it assumed massive incompetence and inability on the part of the enemyHigh mobility which doesn't work when the enemy is throwing landmines everywhere and you're not fighting over large arid wastelands where you don't have to worry about your tanks sinking into the mudSurprise attacks which aren't really possible when everyone is throwing all kinds of sensors around like confetti. Meaning you're in such a sensor saturated environment you know if your enemy farted before the guys in the same trench as him.NATO doctrine is entirely wishful thinking designed for a war that never happened.But they won't abandon it until theres a major failure and existing senior staff get kicked out because of it
>>521018401Nigga stop
>>521019303not that anon but didn't believe youbut it doesnt actually take that long, usually 4 weeks at most and thats for serious damagemost are back online within 2 weeks
>>521019461See this faggot knows what I'm talking about even though he doesn't like it.
>>521019528No I mean stop embarrassing yourself
>>521019598>Muh drones!>Muh magic instant factory wand!>Muh tanks fuelled with pure copiumLMAO
>>521018520>everyone who doesnt pretend ukraine is winning is a Russian in disguise!Thanks for proving you are a troon shill paid to be here.The law of supply and demand says you are fake and gay
>>521019734That's nice John from Arkansas Oblast.
>>521019528everyone in this thread proved you're retardedUkraine does barely any damage to oil refineries with their single-drone strikes, and it's easy to repair. That's why Zelensky is begging for Tomahawks. But the US doesn't budge because it understands that supplying (let alone launching them) risks nuclear war. As things stand today, Russia is extremely comfortable with regard to fuel. Most western countries continue to purchase Russian oil and gas, using crypto and shadow fleets. Russia continues producing energy and selling it. Zelensky continues telling the world there's only 300 Russian soldiers in Pokrovsk and all is calm
>>521019853>No but muh cope though! Muh cope!Reality is knocking Ivan.
>>521019813Do you and your fellow faggots on discord think that nafo talking point actually works?So how come you are not fighting? Pussy boy
>>521019694I know an oil tank on fire filmed and night looks dramatic and all but these refineries as massive like several square miles big. Does it do some dmg? Yes does it cause Russia a level of inconvenience? Yes is it decisive? no will it halt the Russian war machine? Also no
>>521019941Only one group on Earth ever beings up NAFO Ivan. They haunt your fucking dreams.
>>521019910Oh so now he is a Russia too?You seem paranoidHave you taken your hormones and dialeted today.
>>521019910>Reality is knocking Ivan.yeah, reality indeed is knockingand it's comprised of zero ukrainian defensive lines in picrel
>>521019942>Yeah I mean the oil is on fire but there's some pipes over the that didn't get hit so we'll fuel the tanks with pipeKEK
>>521019853>Ukraine does barely any damage to oil refineries with their single-drone strikesYou know they've been fuel rationing right? Also their profits from oil exports have dropped almost 50% lmao >That's why Zelensky is begging for Tomahawkshe doesn't want them for oil refineries dipshit>Russia is extremely comfortable with regard to fuel.just fuel rationing for no reason then huh
>>521020054You're all sitting in a shed in St Petersberg faggot.
>>521020009Am very comfy here in NY, tranny faggot shill. The UK has fallen thanks to troons like you, cope and seethe
>>521020094fuel rationing my ass, there was another kinzhal strike today btw, wonder where Russia found the fuel to those airframes. Must be Harry Potter magic and shit
>>521016379Look at Gaza.
>>521015070Leave the tanks behind and send catastrophic typhoons instead.Easy.
>>521020158>He also voted for the muslim communistBrown ex-soviet commie confirmed
>>521020094>fuel rationingYou really think anyone believes you faggots?
>>521020195>russia bans gasoline exports>NOOOO THERE ISN'T FUEL ISSUESreally, do tell me why russia is banning gasoline exports?
>>521018645Its not impossible, the Red Army conquered Russia and had to march through the Urals all the way to Vladivostock on foot to fight the Tsarists.
>>521020068I hope you are baiting and not just deluded enough to believe everything you read from ukraine social media accounts
>>521019942>but these refineries as massivethey are also modular and build in a way so damage stays isolated and cant spread out.
>>521020210>Look at Gaza.Gaza - 365 sq. km
>>521020292>Its not impossible, the Red Army conquered Russia and had to march through the Urals all the way to Vladivostock on foot to fight the Tsarists.Red Army are Russians lmao
>>521020269>>521020195>the drones and restrictions do nothing>NOOO DONT LOOK AT THE NEWS FROM RUSSIA!
>>521020304>No but really though we will stuff the pipes into the fuel tanks and then drive to BerlinThe cope is transcending this astral plane
>>521020283>really, do tell me why russia is banning gasoline exports?uh oh russia gonna ban gasoline exports x10 times more
>>521020390
>>521020251If I was a Russian in St Petersburg how could I vote in NYC?YOU seem confusedLet me help You will.never be a woman
>>521020390>the drones and restrictions do nothingthey really dont, its like poking an elephant with a tiny needle.
>>521020390Kek Moscow times is not actually from Russia tho
>>5210204525th columnist traitor then. Only fit for the noose.
>>521020390The Moscow Times is based in the UK and funded by the CIA, tranny faggot shill.But you knew that.
>>521020528it's clear you're not british at this point
>>521020444>The news agency estimates refinery crude-processing rates have fallen by at least 7% since August.SINCE AUGUST LMAOOOOO>>521020455>-50% profits lmaooooooo>>521020506It's 51% russian owned lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo>>521020544slavshitter coping hahahahahahahaha
>>521020528https://ildu.mil.gov.ua/applyit's time to join the real fight
>>521020528NATO is not at war with Russia, you tranny faggot shills have said that a million times. Only globohomo cunts support ukraine in the USA.
>>521020593>Russia lost 7%holy fuck this is a disaster, Ukraine is winning bros, go get the fireworks and confetti
>>521020663>russia lost 7%>SINCE AUGUST ALONE LMAOOOOOOOholy cope batman!
>>521020593You are the lying piece of shit pretending the Moscow Times is russian news. All you faggots can do is lie as ukraine burns.
>>521020663>p-p-please ukranians leave Povrovsk we can't risk another mutiny!LMAOOOOOOO
>>521020736>ITS NOT RUSSIAN OWNED>51% OWNED BY A RUSSIAN>ITS NOT REAL RUSSIAN NEWS GIMME DAT KREMLIN BACKED NEWSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>521020695did you miss the story from 2022 that russia ran out of fuel?>>521020737nice cope maps you got there, but reality is picrel
>>521015070>What are NATO's war plans?"JUST DRIVE AROUND">t.nato war-master
>>521020621>>521020695>>521020695>>521020695>>521020737stop wasting your time whit internet arguments you don't want to be late for the victory parade on red square
>>521020593>7%nothingburger>-50% profitsminus 50% of their record profits of previous times still means they make a profit.
>>521015607nigger what?nato got fucking smashed flatall of it gone
>>521020874Fun fact Avdiivka is only 22 miles from Povrovsk. It's taken russia 22 months to travel 22 miles LMAOOOOOOOOOO>>521020911whole chug club of thirdies is here huh>>521020951>7% are you niggers retarded it's 7% since august alone >we didn't need more profits not like theres a war to fund or anythingLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>521021038>it's 7%still s nothingburger
>>521021038>Fun fact Avdiivka is only 22 miles from Povrovsk. It's taken russia 22 months to travel 22 miles LMAOOOOOOOOOOfun fact, Avdiivka is Russian, and so is Pokrovsk
>>521021038Why won't you sign up tho? All of you true believers just refuse to join but you supposedly feel really strongly about it
>>521015070Russia is weak and not a threat. China is for the foreseeable future more interested in making money than fighting.
>>521015070Doesn't really matter. NATO was always just a deterrent. Russia has effectively been neutralized as a territorial threat for the next decade, it is low on everything at this point. To even consider a war with NATO is obscene.I want Russia to take over Ukraine, btw. No other reason than I fucking hate the amount of bullshit we, and all of the west, has pumped over there. I want it to blow up in our faces and have nothing to show for it so that maybe, finally, westerners will learn not to fucking around with shit that is none of our business.
>>521020823>Vladimir Jao Its owned by a chink, tranny faggot shill>On 17 March 2023, The Moscow Times said it has been designated a ‘foreign agent’ by Russia's justice ministry, which accused The Moscow Times of spreading inaccurate information about authorities' decisions, thereby forming a negative image of Russia. The Moscow Times said that the foreign agent legislation had been "disproportionately used”.[9]>On 10 July 2024, the Prosecutor General of Russia declared The Moscow Times an undesirable organization.[42] This designation practically bans the Times from operating in Russia, as anyone working for them or interacting with them (such as by agreeing to be interviewed) could potentially be prosecuted and sent to jail.[43]
>>521015070And you think NATO doesn't have a million FPV drones? What is Russia's plan to survive a war against the biggest economic and military power in the world, with a pool of 900+ million people to conscript from? Fucking moron.
>>521018023because neither are using planes as blantantly as NATO does in shithole countries for a good reason, both countries have proper AA.next retarded question
>>521021106your head is about 8% by weight of your body, lets remove that and see if you'd call it a nothing burger (probably would since theres nothing in there) KEK>>521021145>the shortages aren't real!>its not russian owned!!>why don't you just go sign up!!!lmaoooooooo>>521021107what about kherson? You know the city slavniggers annexed then quickly lost lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>521021268>what about kherson?a matter of time, 80% of Kherson oblast is controlled by Russia
>>521021210>which accused The Moscow Times of spreading inaccurate information about authorities' decisions, thereby forming a negative image of RussiaOY VEY IT'S NOT KREMLIN BACKED NEWS ITS JUST RUSSIAN OWNED>noooo hes a chinkyes so are most east russians you fucking MONGOLOID LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
To keep throwing Epsteins at China and Russia until enough Prigozyns are found.It should be obvious there is no chance of NATO taking any land from Russia or China at this point.
>>521015278Yes they will. First it was planes, then it was missiles, then it was helicopters, today it's drones. Tanks fulfill a battlefield role that drones don't.
>>521021268>>why don't you just go sign up!!!You make it seem like sutch a challenging question but it's quite simple really it's ok to just say cause I don't want to I don't either only retards think war is fun but somehow it's impossible for you to answer
>>521021361>we also annexed the fields outside the city we own that! Take that libs!lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>521021366you're absolutely buckbroken at this point
>>521021268>lets remove that but nothing was removed, the refinery is still there.they will just repair it for a week or two.
>>521021419see >>521021434
>>521015070NATO v Russia is over in 5 minutes once Russian military offs Putin.
>>521020961Then why the fuck is the war still ongoing, cucklord?
>>521021391Why don't you go back to russia easy question.>i already am in russiaWhy don't you sign up for the front lines>.....lmaooooooooooooooooo>>521021434>you're seeeeeething!!!!!!!!lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo look at this dood>>521021442and it'll be blown up again HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>521021499falsePutin has little to do with an existential conflict
>>521021183How is it not our business? Ukraine is a Western country and belongs with the West, all of the russia's ambitions in the NATO sphere must come to ruin and the russia must be taught a hard lesson.
>>521021366And you just keep lyingHe was born in Shanghi, faggotIf he ever steps foot on Russian soil again he will be arrestedNo, its not a Russian news siteCope and seethe troon shill
Glorious multicultural judeo bolchevik savior of african men empire will CRUSH the NAFO nazis, white european white supremacist!GLORY TO BRICS SHITSKIN ALLIANCE
>>521015624Russia's size means nothing. Everything of military significane is extremely concentrated. F-35s don't need to drop JDAMs on siberian goat herders.
>>521019694>>521019528>>521019153>>521019001>>521018908>>521018619>>521021550
>>521021610ok good luck, let me know how it goes
>>521021550I'm starting to suspect you are somehow mentally challenged since it's so hard to ask a simple question and if you want to go back to Russia that's up to you I guess
>>521021666Why are you hiding in NAFO country and not joining the GLORIOUS PATRIOTIC SPECIAL OPERATION comrad?
>>521021559>Vladimir Jao was born on June 25, 1960, in Shanghai. In 1963, his family moved from China to the Soviet Union to the city of Bishkek in the Kirghiz SSR. >HES NOT RUSSIAN HE ONLY MOVED THERE WHEN HE WAS 3 YEARS OLDDDDDLMAOOOOOOO THE COPE>>521021652>CHINK FLAGS ARE HEREWEW LET THE FUN BEGIN>>521021678why don't you go back to russia?
>>521015070what are a million FPV drones gonna do against nukes?
>>521021719I was born here, and I'll join in if war comes here. I don't have the money to move. But I have guns and training
>>521016691Citation needed.
>>521021748I never been there so I can't go back even now you answer me
>>521021554Cold war with NATO = Generals ProfitHot war with NATO = Generals intervene to maintain/restore Profit.
>>521015070what makes you think NATO can even field tanks? with the absolute state NATO is in their population would most likely force a civil war vs dying in some Chink or Slavic land for profits.
>>521021852>Citation needed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rqFcTKHr9yw
>>521021861You can move there faggot just have to fight and they'll give you citizenship so off you go nigger lmaoooooooooooooWhere are all the Slavshitters I'm getting less replies hahahahahahaahaha
>>521015070To import millions of violent, low-IQ, inbred, backward shitskin welfare dependents into Europe until their whole economy and society collapses into poverty, chaos and civil war.I mean, that's observably what they are doing.
>>521021904your brain was jewed
>>521015070Ukraine has already proven that NATO doesn't even really need tanks to defeat Russia. Russia's weakness is now exposed for the world to see. They simply do not have the manpower, equipment, infrastructure, or logistics to adequately defend the vast amount of territory and viable targets inside their own borders. All we need to do is a ramped-up version of what Ukraine is already doing. Just rain down missiles night and day on oil depots, refineries, electrical stations, railway and road junctions, and anything else the Russians can't physically defend. If you have no oil, no gas, and no electricity, it really doesn't matter what you have in your military arsenal. It might as well be scrap metal.
>>521021958And you can move to Ukraine but you won't cause they don't have the same welfare gins as bongistan
>>521022065>Russia's weakness is now exposed for the world to see.reads like a NYT headline>They simply do not have the manpower, equipment, infrastructure, or logistics to adequately defend the vast amount of territory and viable targets inside their own borders.Kursk status btw?
>>521021801>what are a million FPV drones gonna do against nukes?against Russian nukes?
>>521021748Bishkek is not in the Rusdian Federation, tranny faggot shill. CheckmateIts in Krygystan.Thats like saying all polacks are russians
>>521022097ruh roh gdp growth in russia just halved to 0.6% last quarter here comes the recession nigger LMAOOOOOOOOOOO>>521022287>trannygottem lads
>>521021550>and it'll be blown up againand they will repair it again
>>521022373>they'll keep repairing it>continuous downtime means profit somehow surely...You'll figure it out eventually dumb slavshitter KEK
>>521022329>ruh roh gdp growth in russia just halved to 0.6% last quarter here comes the recession nigger LMAOOOOOOOOOOO2 more weeks and Russia starts recessing and shit
>>521022119> reads like a NYT headlinePutin can't even guarantee electricity, gas, or heat in the capital city of Moscow anymore. How's that for a headline?> Kursk status btw?You mean THIS Kursk? It's fucked...just like everything else in Russia.
>>521015133Drones are the new aviation.Tanks, planes are useless.
>>521022501Actually it's normally two consecutive quarters of negative growth learn to economy retard lmaoooooooooooooo
>>521022607>Putin can't even guarantee electricity, gas, or heat in the capital city of Moscow anymore. How's that for a headline?got sources on this? As far as I checked Moscow is doing fine.>You mean THIS Kursk?No I mean the region Ukraine supposedly conquered or something. What's happening there?
>>521022684is that negative growth with us right now in this room?
>>521022607What does a sub that sank 25 years ago have to do with anything?
>>521022726be gentle with autists plz
They'll put a drone operator inside of a tank who will act like eyes + ears + a gun in the sky, and the tank's big gun and anti-air measures will be adjusted to counter drones.>How?Load canister shot. Pintle mount shotgun. Countermeasures to drones are already being made, and basically a tank can have stuff slapped onto it and can act as a mobile anti-drone platform, while deploying drones of its own.
>>521022685>moscow is doing fine>rest of the country doesn't existLMAOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT WRONG SOON>>521022716Yes it is>1.4% gdp growth first quarter>1.1% gdp growth second quarter>0.6% gdp growth third quarterHope this helps dumb nigger.
>>521015329It is being rewritten,.because of drones.It is an official public document.
>>521020321Yes and?Gaza is one of the densest urban settings on the planet.It is like a network of anti-air fortifications yet air power is absolutely critical to the israeli forces.
>>521022880yeah pretty muchbasic principle retards like this one >>521022860don't understand, that all meme-tactics invented in peacetime don't really work in real warbecause war is the craddle of innovation, while peace is the craddle of gender studies and corruption.Tanks don't mean shit these days, when you have cheap drones that can deliver landmines, artillery shells, grenades, and ATGMs from any direction, any elevation, any speed, any place, any time.
>>521022982>Gaza is one of the densest urban settings on the planetit also doesn't have hypersonic missiles, a personal GPS satellite network, comprehensive missile forces, nor a history of land war droctrinesjust saying
>>521023116>still zero evidence of a western tank being fully destroyed by a drone>thinks western tanks are equivalent to soviet era dogshit russia is currently using that gets 1 tapped by a drone making the turret visit spaceLMAOOOOOOOOOO2ND BEST ARMY IN THE WORLD CAN'T INTO AIR SUPERIORITY LMAOOOO
>>521023238uh oh, what happened to Challenger conquering Russian territory?
>>521023184so what? Air power is relevant regardless of terrain, hypersonics, satellites, and missile forces are countered by elements other than airpower and none of those are counters to airpower.Russia would lose a war to NATO because NATO is geographically much larger and population-wise much larger, and the world's oceans are much better highways than traversing Eurasia.How is Russia going to reach Africa, South America, or Indo-China? The US can reach of all those by sea and NATO has countries in all of those regions.
>>521015771USA USA USA. That being said Iran is a 3rd world country so its not really comparable to p2p conflict.
>>521023116Look at this dude, he probably lives off everything elon musk posts and takes it as fact hahahahaha>>521023281we only sent 14 and russia captured 1 maybe 2? They were in such good condition they even took them back and showed them off lmaoooooooooooooo not winning tank tossing events russia holds #1 spot for that lmaooooooooooooooo
>>521022726> What does a sub that sank 25 years ago have to do with anything?Nothing. I was just responding to a stupid question with a stupid answer. I am sorry that sarcasm is apparently beyond your mental capabilities.
>>521023386How are you going to reach Siberia? That's the big question.No, actionally, how the fuck will you even reach Volgograd?I hope you do realise that Russia has more anti-ship capabilities than literally any country in the world? And if Russia sinks even 1 single US aircraft carrier, this will be the end of NATO?
>>521020210>Gazathe kikes couldn't get to the underground strongholds with airplanes, so they tried a ground occupation which also failed
>>521015070>if your enemy has a million FPV drones + other loitering munitions, then realistically - what can a division of NATO tanks do to survive for longer than 5 minutes?MIC Idea: Giant robot pelicans that eat FPV swarms
>>521022473>continuous downtimeits not continuous, they repair it and then it runs for months.
>>521023450You are the faggot pretending ukrainians didnt get slaughtered in Kursk.
>>521023655>runs for a few days before it gets droned againCute you think you have their repair time tables lmaooooooooooooo
>>521020210Ahh the Afghan excuse right?
>>521023626DudeIsrael just slaughtered everyoneThe fuck you talking about?
>>521021038russia is winning too slow
>>521023792then why did they surrender and withdraw
>>521023809>14-1no one said it was slow it's the cost ;)
>>5210150701.) fpv drones are not very threatening to NATO tanks2.) Nato has been working on anti drone weapons systems for quite awhile now3.) build nets over your entire trench line4.) automated laser drone sniper (we have it, just haven't unveiled it yet)5.) seeth and cope ziggers
>>521023730What tank divisions survived the American invasion?
>>521023519NATO doesn't need to reach Siberia. Have you looked at the demographics in Eastern Russia lately? The Chinese already control almost all of it. Xi conquered that place without even firing a shot. Just a whole bunch of immigration and fuckee-fuckee.
>>521023842Because there is nothing left but rubble?Who even knows with the fake news how many died.
>>521023519>reach SiberiaThere is first of all no need, secondly, from Alaska or from Northern Canada.>How will you reach VolgogradFrom the Black Sea.>Russian anti-ship capabilitiesRussia would have to sink the entire NATO fleet to win an all out war with NATO.They can not do this, ergo they can not win an all out war with NATO.>NATO will die if one carrier sinksIf NATO goes into full mobilization they will push until the last goy is dead.
>>521023386>NATO is geographically much larger and population-wise much largercountries like Turkey would leave NATO the moment it tries to drag it into a war with Russia
>>521023925>Chinese memenice try lmaoChina cares more about Taiwan than it does about Siberia. Just protipWest really is struggling, isn't it
>>521015133Not really. NATO focuses on excellent battlefield awareness, superior command and control, precise counter battery fire/ artillery suppression, logistics disruption alongside combined arms tactics and total air superiority. Drones are relevant, but not of the same importance, since the surveillance and suppression of anything close by would be much quicker. Basically the same reason why Ukraine is performing much better with western jets. Drones need infrastructure, bases, logistics, reconnaissance, command and controllers. Against NATO the survivability even 50 to 100 km behind the zero line would be too low to even reach any significant amount of drone saturation. Hence it would make a difference, but not be the same. You can also clearly see that drones got more relevant in this particular war once the frontlines stabilized. There are different types of enemies, territories and phases of wars.
>>521023697Does the truth hurt? Are you mad? Because you seem pretty mad. Mr. Sandy Vagina.
>>521024011>Russia would have to sink the entire NATO fleetlmao you don't even understand what NATO isa single dead aircraft carrier is enough
>>521024023I really doubt that.
>>521015070Call your enemy racist until they genocide themselves. Works flawlessly on white people.
>>521023715>for a few daysmore like for a few months or years, ukraine is struggling in keeping these refineries down and its not only 1 refinery that we talk about. they have like 50 of these.
>>521023238>>521023442I double this anglo saxon. Challengers are very tough tanks and are immortal to drones. Put your full trust in them and produce more challengers. They are the greatest tanks in the world.
>>521024076Did you forget WWII where the Anglo-sphere had a ZERO negotiation policy?Once theyre at war theyre at war forever until someone dies.They barely do diplomacy while at peace, when they go to war its completely psychopathic.
>>521024032>Basically the same reason why Ukraine is performing much better with western jets.
>>521015624What's the range of a drone? What is its ceiling? What kind of munitions can it carry? What kind of ECCM does it need to penetrate into the battlespace? How does that compare to an aircraft?Drone technology has its uses in an integrated support role, but those nations that lean on it heavily are poor and need the comparative economic advantage that cheaper drones provide. i.e., trading your 100k long range drone for a million dollar ground based interceptor isn't going to matter against a country that can steamroll you in a month.
>>521024032>Ukraine is performing much better with western jets.the first F-16 they got was literally shot down by friendly fire lmao
>>521015070>What are NATO's war plans?confidential
>>521024130>Did you forget WWII where the Anglo-sphere had a ZERO negotiation policy?>Once theyre at war theyre at war forever until someone dies.>They barely do diplomacy while at peace, when they go to war its completely psychopathic.good luck lmaocurrent UK army is enough to maybe fight for 1 village in Ukraine
>>521024150>What's the range of a drone?enough to fuck up an entire mechanised assault unit>What is its ceiling?irrelevant>What kind of munitions can it carry?all munitions that can take own a tank or a soldiernext
>>521024191>currentcurrent?The absolute worst case scenario for NATO is they just copy Russia and defeat them with superior numbers and resources.Modern Warfare is a calculation of industry and a fight to complete capitulation. It is just simply bad odds for Russia.They dont have 900m people they can mobilize, NATO does.Even if you cut NATO in half it still is more than double Russia.
>>521024059You havent said any truths yet faggotOhAnd you will never be a woman
>>521024191You're talking nonsense. The mighty UK army can single-handedly defeat the entire Russian army. That's why they should intervene immediately and break the cauldron of Porkroast. It will show everyone how great the great britainoids are!
>>521024029> China cares more about Taiwan than it does about Siberia.That's true. But that doesn't mean China can't think about more than one thing at a time. Lots of gas and oil out there. And Xi certainly isn't going to pass on an easy Siberia layup if Putin's incompetence literally dumps it in his lap.
>>521024339>The absolute worst case scenario for NATO is they just copy Russia and defeat them with superior numbers and resources.they don't have those numbersthat's the point
>202X>be burger gunner on a carrier>be about to get complete fucked by ten thousand chinese bomb drones
>>521024339>900 million NATO troopsYou tranny faggot shills are delusional
>>521015133>superiority
>>521024377>That's true. But that doesn't mean China can't think about more than one thing at a time.Your brain is too jewed, I said this before.China has easy relationship with Russia. And all China cares about is sea security.
>>521021558Fuck off Sanna
>>521024162>unclear if it even happened Even than it likely was due to the reluctance of the parties involved to share proper friend/foe systems and secure data links/ports. Russia has downed many more of their own jets recently a Su-35 over Crimea.
>>521024340Another faggot/tranny reference. That makes two in a row. You really are a mental one trick pony, aren't you? Good luck with that, Simple Jack.
>>521024254>mechanized assault unitI thought you were talking about tanks, not ifvs. You can kill a bmp with a 50 cal bullet, does that make them useless?Also, what good is a drone that can't even work in an ECM environment? How is a drone going to counter a plane if it can't reach it? No response? That's what I thought.Next
>>521024668russia could easily start downing US spy drones over the Black Sea to make Ukrainian forces blind.Makes you think how little "war" there really is in this war so far
>>521021390that role doesn't matter because tanks will get annihilated anyways. Why would chile keep buying leopards if a $500 can mission kill it?
>>521021748jew
>>521024708>Also, what good is a drone that can't even work in an ECM environment? How is a drone going to counter a plane if it can't reach it? No response? That's what I thought.>NextF16s status in Ukraine? kekI guess you forgot already why ATACMS are useless already
>>521024450> China has easy relationship with Russia.You got that right. Xi says bend over and Putin instantly gives up that butthole. Easy.
>>521021958jew
>>521024849just 3 months before Russia launched SMO, the two countries of China and Russia signed a pact that they will do everything in their power to take down the USJust saying
>>521024756>Russia could easily downNo they can’t because once they touch as NATO asset they will be blinded by the response too. Chances are they won’t even come close to it, since usually there are low flying jets without active transponders around.Now that Ukraine has the SAAB GlobalEye US intelligence is becoming less crucial.
>>521015420>Not much to do after wiping most enemy logistics and strongpointsReally? How's that working out for Russia?They throw hundreds of drones and missiles against Ukraine every week, but Ukraine is still able to put up a resistance.
>>521025009>No they can’t because once they touch as NATO asset they will be blinded by the response too.in your imagination?>Now that Ukraine has the SAAB GlobalEye US intelligence is becoming less crucial.cool, so why is Ukraine losing territory every day?
>>521024805F16 status in ukraine: still operating perfectly fine. Downing tens of thousands of "uninterceptable" cruise missiles and drones. Turning vatniks into hamburger meat. All in all performing excellent. Do you not have google in russia?
>>521019406>Air superiority which was always a bit suspect as it assumed massive incompetence and inability on the part of the enemy??? what does this even meanrussia's inability to gain absolute air superiority early in the war is part of what doomed them to stagnationrussia does have good air defense and EW jamming systems that can help them, but it wont get far against the full might of the entire nato air force.>High mobility which doesn't work when the enemy is throwing landmines everywhere and you're not fighting over large arid wastelands where you don't have to worry about your tanks sinking into the mudthe mobility comes into play before these landmines can be put down, or past where the landmines are concentrated. you are right that the thick minefields in ukraine are a serious challenge.the arid landscape point is a meme, armies have been operating in and around mud for millennia, nato can manage it.>Surprise attacks which aren't really possible when everyone is throwing all kinds of sensors around like confettiukraine still managed their incursion into and occupation of a portion of the kursk salient, which was a surprise offensive.
>>521025205point is that all your shilling doesn't stand up to the fact that to 99% of the world population your wunderwaffles are inconsequential. All people see is that Ukraine is losing territory. So no matter how much time you spend talking about alien NATO technology, it just gets cancelled out by Ukraine losing territory.>Downing tens of thousands of "uninterceptable" cruise missiles and drones.very funny joke, why is Ukraine having blackouts?
>>521024902> China and Russia signed a pactWell, I guess if you sign a pact, then everything is good to go. Hell, Stalin and Hitler signed a non-agression pact at the start of WWII. How did that work out for Russia? Also, how stupid do you have to be to fall for the same trick twice?
>>521025091>in your imagination?Ironically the ridiculous fantasies about Russia downing NATO assets are from you.>why is Russia willing to throw insane amounts of people and resources into taking a few three lines, fields, villages and maybe one or two midsized towns every yearWe both know the answer.
>>521025378how did that work out for Hitler? kek
>>521025404>We both know the answer.answer: Ukraine is losing land on a daily basis
>>521015133The chinese drones have saturated and penetrated your airfields back in the USA. 50% of your airframes were destroyed on the tarmac.
>>521025297>99 percent of the world You missed the point. Even the countries which are somewhat neutral towards Russia have clueless populations. Russia and Ukraine are inconsequential to them because they have barley heard of them.>why is Ukraine having blackoutsFor the same reason Russia is experiencing them. Attacks on energy production and distribution
>>5210252971.1 million dead vatniks. Nearly 9 million permanently maimed. Fuel shortages and rationing. Economy doomed. Was it worth the 3 kilometers you moved the battle line? At this rate you'll reach kiev in 2082, and you'll have replaced your male population twice over with poos, goat fuckers, and niggers.Oh wait, I forgot you have another new wunderwaffen to irradiate your own farmlands. Maybe you wont even get replacement niggers.
>>521025648>For the same reason Russia is experiencing themwhen and where? Last time I checked there's rolling blackouts across all of Ukraine.All Russia had was a 5hour blackout in 1 suburb of Moscow
>>521025487>Russia doesn’t care about the people, but only about territory You seem to be onto something. 10 to 15 years to Dnipro
>>521025732>1.1 million dead vatnikslowkey you need a new jobtry mcdonalds
>>521025796>You seem to be onto something. 10 to 15 years to DniproI'd say 2 years tbf
>>521015420>Not much to do after wiping most enemy logistics and strongpointsWell no shit theres not much to do once you've already won, the question was how to get to that point.>fly thousands of kilometers directly over mobile SAMs and bomb everything without resistanceisn't really an answer
>>521025793>one suburb Cool story. But add Kursk and Belgorod and other regions. Now goes who has generators and the fuel to use them. Correct it's Ukraine. The Russian west will have a cold winter without fuel.
>>521025870Lol. This is some new level of cope. Three days in a row of 909 casualties. That's a statistical miracle. Stay mad yuri.
>>521021521It's the Russian "I don't hear no bell" strategy where they throw all their tanks and bodies into the meat grinder and gloat that NATO equipment isn't killing them fast enough
>>5210260182 more kursks and 2 more generatorsUkraine's power grid is demolished, you still LARPing about some issues in Russiasays volumes
>>521026048did you even graduate school at this point?
>>521025910>2 years But that’s Russian times. Just like the 3 days special military operation. Basically never.
>>521026196i guess you missed the whole thing about Russian units already operating in Dnipro region, even though Dnipro was never on Putin's menu of oblasts
>>521023792>Israel just slaughtered everyoneevery above-ground civilian they could find, instead of the fighters which were mostly underground.the kikes openly talked about invading the strip and displacing its residents to Egypt, what happened instead is similar to what happened to the US military in Vietnam.>>521023842>then why did they surrender and withdrawTrump told Bibi that hes done wasting US money on his failed war against single city, Bibi spent two years trying to kill the fighters to get his hostages back only to wind up negotiating with the fighters to get them back and withdrawing, it's the ultimate humiliation for him, Gaza has nothing to be ashamed off, it's single besieged strip (besieged since 2007 btw) holding out it's own against many invasion attempts by the US military>but USA never deployed soldiers in thereThey didhttps://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o
>>521026156>3 days military operation Now large parts of the Russian ammunition, defense and refinery capacity is down. Major transformation stations and plants are hit. If everything is going this great why aren’t you moving to Russia?
>>521026271>it never was a goalSure just like the units approaching Kiev. They just thought it was an exercise and got lost.
>>521025454Good question. And the answer is that America supplied Russia with the necessary equipment to turn the tide of the war in Russia's favor. If it wasn't for the United States, Stalin would have had his shit pushed in by the Nazis. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
>>521026191Did you?Also, why are you too scared to respond to any of my points?
>>521026486>Now large parts of the Russian ammunition, defense and refinery capacity is down.not really
>>521026661Add Britain and the British empire…
>>521026613>Sure just like the units approaching Kiev. They just thought it was an exercise and got lost.they just munch on whatever food they come across, in this case Dnipro was easy picking
>>521026750>nuh uhLike arguing with a child.
>>521026661>The truth hurts, doesn't it?Truth:80% of the German army died on the eastern front fighting against Russians.yes, 20% of the German army was defeated by the collective effort of USA superpower + UK larpo-power + French pussypower
>>521026814you still fail to answer the question why Ukraine is losing land
>>521026791Very true.
>>521026911> you still fail to answer the question why Ukraine is losing landThe strategy is called trading land for time. And it is a strategy that Russia knows well, having used it successfully against both Napoleon and Hitler. You really need to read more.
>>521027195>The strategy is called trading land for time.trading land for whose time?EU's time? EU has no time left
>>521027249Well, after much debate, I have come to the conclusion that you are either A) a troll, or B) a retard. Either way, have a good night.
>>521027429i asked a question, you just ran awaytypical
>>521026859It likely was closer to 65 to 70 percent. But even than the relevant stuff happened mostly in Germany and other Western European regions. Plus southern Europe and Africa to a lesser degree. Ultimately the air battle above Germany and the attacks on the industrial capabilities were more relevant than the Russian troops. If the fuel and the industrial capabilities would have been there the Russian troops would have been crushed.
