Someone ELI5 how burgers will afford health care now. Leddit says their monthly insurance is going from $300 to $2000. How tf is that possible, I don’t even make $2k/mo take-home. Are burgers just going to die now? Serious answers only, your guys’ med system seems retarded someone explain why leddit is wrong
>>521042246>Are burgers just going to die now?50000 more will die every year now because of lack of healthcare.
>>521042246>Leddit says
>>521042246I stopped getting the Obamacare subsidies a few years ago because I don't pay taxes. So I've been paying $1,000+ a month for years already. It doesn't really bother me.
>>521042347What’s your opinion on that? Thousands die here in aus even with free healthcare- just because it’s free and you can access it doesn’t mean it’s good or quick - I remember like this guy I work with saying fuck yeah like we need more gps and more shit like how about you get sick less cunt
I have crippling medical debt. I wish someone had taught me a long time ago that you're just supposed to go to the ER and give a fake name. Black people had it right all along.
>>521042246You can work for an actual company that provides good insurance for a reasonable cost OR just go completely uninsured and use the ER for every little thing. Don't pay a dime when they send the bill.
>>521042472ive never had health care and havent been to a doctor in over 20 years. what compels you to pay for insurance?
>>521042472How the fuck can you afford that>>521042826I know the huge med bills ledditors post are BS and the insurance company pays most of the bill or something but wtf happens now? Do you just get stuck with the huge bill?
>>521042826...yeah
>>521042826Anon, the second best time to plant a tree is today. Just start using a fake name now.
>>521042890We have to pile into the ER here for everything cause all the pajeets take up the free health care, I don’t recommend it. Waiting 12 hrs in the ER to be seen sucks but I literally can’t get a family doctor and the walk in clinic has a line around the block at 6amBut I don’t have to pay $1200/mo like everyone on leddit apparently
>>521042962>...yeah
>>521042896Have you seen a bill from an ER visit that requires CT / EKG / MRI procedures? If you don't give a fuck and have no intent on paying it, no big deal but if you do try to pay your own way, good fucking luck.
my (((masters))) that I serve provide me with healthcarethe plebs do not concern me
>>521043040My last ER trip cost me $300 for the copay. I did wait about 4 hours until I was seen, all the while throwing up from pure pain.
>>521043175good god, why can't you mutts vote in your self-interest?
>>521042246they had covid-era subsidies that ignored the 400% poverty level cap and instead used 8.5% of their income as a cap as "affordable". So if a family of 4 earned $250k, the cost above 1,770 per month was being subsidized, so now it's like $2200.If you're at like $140k, then it's $400 going to 1600 for a bronze plan
>>521042890>OR just go completely uninsured and use the ER for every little thingThat only works for illegal aliens and blacks. If you're white, they treat you like shit, threaten you, and play psychological games with you, then they make dame sure that you get the bill and if you don't pay it, your credit is destroyed.
>>521042933>>521043022>>521042890>Don't pay a dime when they send the billCan they garnish your wages or seize assets for medical debt? I seriously have like $300k in bills because I got hit by a drunk driver after being laid off during COVID.
>>521043247what happened here is that people found bullshit gigwork to do to earn money and were leaning on covid subsidies to make it worthwhile. now it's over and they're fucked.
>>521043223We don't have any representation, anon. Everyone in "power" is in it for themselves alone, and if you try to make them do their jobs they send squads after you.
>>521042896Preventative medicine is a scam, but my wife had to go to the ER once and it made a $250,000 visit cost like $3,000.>>521042933>How the fuck can you afford thatTrust fund. I make $256,000 a year not working while my family pays the taxes.
>>521043223My fellow mutt, that is with fucking Premium insurance coverage. You can roll the dice with shitty percentage of the bill insurance though if you feel lucky. Had I gone that route, my bill would have been about $4,400 bucks.
>>521042246Those hips should be tits. oO
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>>521042246>Someone ELI5 how burgers will afford health care now...."now"? We could do that before?
>>521043260They can send it to collections if the bill is over $500. Pro-tip : if you so much as speak to reception at an ER you just went over that amount. They cannot report unpaid medical bills for 12 months to the credit agencies. So if you DO want to pay it, work out a plan etc, you have some time to do so. If you are the bill-paying type, work out a payment plan with the provider for some low amount and just make payments. Or like others have said, don't show up with ID, give them a fake name, whatever and just never fucking pay it.
>>521042246>Someone ELI5 how burgers will afford health care now. Leddit says their monthly insurance is going from $300 to $2000. How tf is that possible, I don’t even make $2k/mo take-home. Are burgers just going to die now? Serious answers only, your guys’ med system seems retarded someone explain why leddit is wrongIt would be an improvement. If no one has insurance, it doesn't mean that banks will give out loans for medical treatment, and doctors and nurses and hospital administrators would starve.THESE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE STARVING. That means they'd lower prices to sell their services, and they can't lower them a little. It's not that you could afford the price if it were only 97% of what it is now but that extra 3% pushes it past the breaking point. They'd have to lower it alot. Insurance makes things worse, way worse. And that's why Canada is such a dumpsterfire, leaf... you have one gigantic insurance company called the government, and no one's allowed to not buy their insurance.
>>521042246That's just for people on the ACA after the subsidies expire.My private health insurance is already like $800 or some shit. My parents pay for it and the company providing it is going out of business at the end of the year, at least their insurance arm, and I've only had it for one year after having to leave my parents' insurance at age 26. The clinic my primary care doctor is at isn't really accepting any of the other options we have. My parents are going to talk to an advisor this week to figure out what to do. Either I am going to have to change my doctor to one at a different hospital, who, despite some grievances, I like overall, or go on Medicaid (as I'm unemployed right now but that is likely going to change soon).Be glad you have taxpayer-funded healthcare, leaf. I don't envy your housing crisis, mass importation of pajeets, or your climate, but that is one thing your country and most others of the first world can actually get right. Even if you have to wait months to get elective surgeries sometimes.
>>521042246Reddit didn’t say that. It’s per year you stupid idiot.
>>521042246I live in america and don’t have healthcare. I just do my best to stay in shape and have plans for if I get cancer or something.
>>521043456Wtf are you even talking about, memeflaggot? Japanese men have tiny dicks and don't get much pussy outside Nippon, or even there looking at their birthrate.
>>521043586What is the "oh shit I have cancer" plan? 9mm?
>>521043575>It’s per year you stupid idiot.It's not though, Hans. Our health insurance system in this country is legitimately that cooked, expensive, and greedy. Those are legitimate monthly rates.
>>521042246its $440 for me so i can barely afford it.
>>521043175>$300 for the copayThey even charge you for the cope now ? Jesus Christ...
imagine paying 24K/year for a service you most likely won't even use
>>521043515Pre ACA health care was good and cheap because there were tons of companies all competing against each other to offer the best service. I was turning 21 when the ACA was passed and before it passed I needed to find insurance because I was getting kicked off my parents. In the area I was in had plans that are way better than the silver/gold plans on the marketplace. It was $25 a god dam month for a plan with a ~$1000 deductible and if I recall correctly no OOP after that. And it was that cheap because they excluded anyone who was Obese and had pre-existing conditions.
>>521043456I wish i could post some ass but i dont know any good asses maybe kateelife.
>>521043260Anon, the IRS have guns and the sheriff has a bearcat for when you don't pay property taxes. You already don't own anything if you can't defend it. So, yes, they can do whatever they want when you don't pay. But they can also do whatever they want when you're a good little slave too. Basically, don't pay and die on your feet rather than living on your knees where they'll probably kill you anyway too.
>>521043700Now you see why Luigi did what he did...
>>52104353699% of people are too stupid to understand that
>>521043789the pre-existing conditions part is why it was so terrible. before aca, they would basically scour your records for any dumb shit they could find as an excuse to not insure you, and then you'd just be shit out of luck unless your employer offered health insurance. you have no fucking idea how bad it was. aca isn't perfect by a long shot, it's basically just romneycare and an insurance grift, but the before times were fucking horrendous.
>>521043248Oh noooooooooooooo! No muh heckin' wholesome jewish experiment CREDIT SCORE! Whatever will I do if my good goy points go down?!
>>521043700If you think that is bad, wait until you see the seethe bill.
>>521043519Well, too late for that, I didn't know at the time. Like I said, I wish someone had given me that unethical life protip a long time ago. Do they usually work out a lower total payment?>>521043799Lol I'm not larping as some kind of secessionist here, I'm just wondering if a collections agency can actually have my assets seized because some shitty hospital decided to charge me hundreds of thousands of dollars for medical care. It seems like they can just write whatever the fuck they want on the bill tbdesu.
>>521042347We won’t know till it happens
>>521043536we're not at that point yet, there're still enough people getting insurance from their job or just sucking it up and paying the extra fees, to keep the system going. what'll actually happen is broke people who relied on medicaid will just fucking die when they get sick and the prices will probably go up because there's no reason for them to do anything else. you forget that health care is an industry where the buyer is very incentivized to make the purchase even if the cost is high. hospitals wont have to change shit. what're you gonna do, go without that surgery because it's too expensive? pay up. no, we won't be lowering the price for you. if anything they will modify existing laws to accommodate for all these broke ass people who can't pay, and we'll see the return of debtor prisons and wage garnishments for medical debt and shit. trump already took back the biden law that made it so that medical bankruptcies didn't appear on your credit history. shit is already happening.
>>521043948>Lol I'm not larping as some kind of secessionist hereFake it till ya make it anon. Or pay your bills like a little scared baby. Yes, they write whatever number they want because healthcare is a monopoly along with insurance and the government protects them both from you. Next time you stub your toe, give me $100,000 if you're going to pay $250k for a $3500 visit.
>>521042246why would anyone pay that? Just paying for the treatment cannot possibly be more expensive. than 24k.
>>521042246It's easy, my employer has a plan. The government has no business in my Healthcare
>>521042246I don’t have insurance.
>>521042246It's time we put an end to the pharmaceutical industry itself. They're predatory drug dealers that have done nothing but poison us all. We need to return back to fasting, exercising and natural remedies so that we can become strong again as a people.
>>521042246People will die for a few years, and with any luck they will vote smarter next cycle. The pendulum has a long way to swing back this time.
>>521042551fuck off traitor, i hope you get testicle cancer, and when you do, make sure to pay for all of it out of pocket, faggot
>>521042246i’d pop her cherry if you catch my drift
>>521043866Yeah I'm sure the 80 million Americans who lose their plans and had to get worse ones after the ACA passed totally loved having to pay more to support a bunch of worthless niggers.
>>521042246Nobody is paying 2000 a month for insurance lolstop listening to anything leddit says
>>521044258>People will die>they will votethis anon knows
>>521042246She has weird feet and I'm not a footfag
>>521044645i am and they look alright from where im sitting but the whole pic is obviously doctored heavily
>>521042246My monthly premium didn't go up at all. I have no fucking clue what kind of health insurance these retards have. They must all be morbidly obese with tons of health issues.
>>521044682They look too wide for me
>>521042246I have Medicaid so I pay $0
>>521044821This is her
>>521044821that means it has brown mixed into it somewhere.
Every state in America has public health care retard.
>>521044857I knew she was familiarMmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm
>>521042472Lmao wtf
>>521044821i like those stubby big toes some girls have, suckable lil jelly beans
>>521044838>declines your coverage because it's not covered by your specific (((plan)))Nothing personnel, kid
>>521044933Sasha spits
>>521044857yup. look at it's disgusting.
>>521043626Can’t bait me into saying something that’ll go on my permanent record.
>>521045004I don't think that's what Medicaid does but idk. My sinus surgery showed $47k but they paid that (I know they didn't pay that it's just what it showed). They did deny my Tadalafil prescription but it's because my doctor didn't put bph as the reason (I actually do have prostate issues which I'm going to a urologist for soon)
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>>521045019face*
>>521043091>>521043175Honestly, what stops people from just not providing identification? I've been around a lot of nurses and they talk about "frequent flyers"--how are those even possible?
>>521045079i can't stand these trends, the finger thing, the faces, the dances, now it's clown bullshit? all because men can't stop giving them views. i seriously hope mormons get to mars first and nuke us from orbit
>>521045019Yeah that's her name I think she doesn't have any nude unfortunately, I remember checking her thread on simpcity Shame, she's so hot
>>521045263>Shame, she's so hotthese images are more post-processing than human, it's almost like how they used to render 3D motion using human models
>>521043351>Trust fundso you have a family that over the past several generations was able to accumulate enough wealth to make the lives of their children better? how shameful. check your privilege. the only noble people are those whose forebears were so profligate or unproductive that they didn't leave any significant savings to their children.
>>521045314Even if fake my penis is still rock hard!
>>521043519>don't show up with ID, give them a fake name,buddy tried thatfor some strange reason two cops showed up and busted him when he gave them his fake name.ER nurses snitched him off.He got 30days trash pickup.naturally, they never do that to Wetbacks.nurses were White Americans but hospital director is Jewish. do the mathwelcome to USA.
>>521045367nice bro u strokin? tell us more
My wife got fired two weeks ago and just got a new job that pays 100% of the insurance with a super low deductible. Our previous insurance two years ago was $1000 a month with a $5000 deductible, and last year was $1300 a month with a $500 deductible. We would have been in deep shit if she didn't get fired lol. The premium would have at least doubled this year. Fired for no bitchy boss girl reasons. I work in all cash doing a bunch of whatever so insurance option from me. Worked out really well overall
>>521045263She has porn videos buddy
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>>521044146I had good Union coverage ($11/hr....$22,000 per year) for my hip replacement. IIRC their payment to doctor for whole thing was under $6,000 all in.But "without insurance" the doctor would bill $60,000!!! Must be some law against "pre-pay" so doc figures you will stiff him after the fact.Shit is crazy.These people are supposed to be legit and its not "insurance" but you pay cash then they reimburse you or something. I sorta asked "but WTF about docs charging 10x as much for no insurance???" and they said it was OK and I'm like "I don't think you understand WTF I'm talking about".Still don't get it.https://www.medishare.com/lp/christian-healthcare-options?utm_keyword=health%20cost%20sharing%20ministries&utm_campaign=&utm_source=Amsive&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=health%20cost%20sharing%20ministries&hsa_grp=134528151799&hsa_ad=782504153886&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-369419025742&hsa_kw=health%20cost%20sharing%20ministries&hsa_mt=e&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16772786542&gclid=CjwKCAiAt8bIBhBpEiwAzH1w6V3_CnMvaYwGxrD7uIDlPVcIidXVIJ-_FxlXRWFSt9_tmGqXXrC-tRoC8pwQAvD_BwE
Isn't it workplaces that pay insurance there?
>>521044926yeah, but only for Wetbacks and truly buck broke Americans, and they fuck with even legit broke 'Mericans.I was at San Jose and some Beaner bitch is brow beating some elderly White woman about "Rail Road Pension". The form is impossibly backwards so you will fill it out wrong unless you know the trick, and you will mistakenly claim you have some big RR Pension, which is diff from SSI.
>>521042246Why not do what the illegals do: just go to the emergency room for everything and refuse to pay the bills.
>>521042246bro Americans make 100k a year they're all super richi barely earn 20k a year and i have 3 baby mommas and 7 children and i can take care of all of them(20k dollars a year is rich in Bulgaria)
>>521045004thats not how it works. medicaid is actually a more enjoyable experience than regular insurance. You never have any copays, you never have to fuck around with trying to get things covered. its one of the biggest insurers (70 million people) and all doctors that take it just know how to write everything up for it.Some doctors dont take it, but that is the same for all insurances.I was on a very good employer insurance plan before and medicaid is way less hassle. People should be allowed to just buy medicaid insurance for themselves. My old employer plan cost a total of 12k annually (that employer paid), i would easily say medicaid is worth 12k annually. Which you could buy into since medicaid spends on average 10k annually per person on it.
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>>521045140>Mormons>The retards who do soaking and jump humping before marriage to circumvent the rules in their fake little book(s)Yeah, no thanks fag
>>521045519Nah I'm at work, can't do shit nowProbably tonight or tomorrow as it's a day off here>>521045590She has only nudes and one dildo blowjob video https://simpcity.cr/threads/sasha-spits-sashaspits.189457/At least poster there
>>521045468>for some strange reason two cops showed up and busted him when he gave them his fake name.lol it's a crime? how does that work exactly? this sounds fabricated
>>521045968She has multiple dildo and blowjob videos and one where she gets fugged for a bit
>>521045922>thats not how it works. medicaid is actuallyyeah it is, medicaid is serviced through normal health insurance providers and they can be selective in what they cover just like with anything else, as long as they're compliant with the law
>>521046042Forgot linkhttps://fapfolder.club/groups/SashaSpits
>>521046079like regular insurance, but it works better than regular insurance in my experience because its larger scale and all the doctors know whats what and you are never in a situation where your doctor recommends something and you are fucked arguing with the insurance over it, and there are zero copays.
guys is this a good deal
>>521046187ThanksWould've fapped if I were alone but alas
>>521042551he said 50000 more. people are going to die even if healthcare is free and its the best in the world. here in america we spend thousands on premiums only for that to not cover everything, so you still pay out of pocket and then you still die because the quality of the care is trash. reading comprehension nigger
Yes and another pro tip, you can get something you want much cheaper by just stealing it
>>521046296>Pay 4k a month>Those copays and deductiblesWhat the fuck does it even cover
>>521042246>>521044857>>521045019>>521045079asking for a friend, where would someone find all her videos?
>>521042246Insurance is a scam but Americans prefer it that way even when it comes to their own lives
>>521046296It would seem like a good time to short health insurance companies.
>>521046466Interesting, any other tips?
>>521042246Going to doctors neither extends your life, nor improves it in any meaningful way. Women and niggers can be doctors so they can't be very smart at all
>>521046660>Insurance is a scamyep. health insurance was only ever viable as offered to employees since they are generally healthy. it makes NO sense as a universal solution and it has completely fucked healthcare.
you either have to have a job which gives you a decent rate or so poor that you get free healthcare. otherwise you are fucked.
>>521046562She's on IG Sasha succ or something, she's got British teeth though.
>>521042246From the age 18-40 people dont get Healthcare, unless they're poor or rich.
>>521043804He should have aimed higher, at the politicians. He gets credit for not shooting up a school of unarmed children though, definitely a step in the right direction.
>>521044857>>521045019>>521045079Stop posting this semen demon I can't think straight
>>521044838You're being booted off Medicaid.
>>521049734Vs the Canadian free Healthcare where they kill you
>>521042246Hahahaha, You just die. Yeah pretty much
>>521042246Because "health care" is the largest sector of the American economy and is purely extractive.European countries provide free Healthcare to everyone for ~5% of GDP while Americans PAY 17% of GDP to watch sick babies die due to lack of care.
>>521042246>Someone ELI5 how burgers will afford health care now. Leddit says their monthly insurance is going from $300 to $2000.If it does, then insurance companies can enjoy going under because people will not pay that.Florida Blue fucked around in Florida doing the same shit and found out the hard way when hundreds of thousands of people just canceled their policies instead of paying for rate hikes.
>>521042246I have not had insurance in 9 years.
Are Americans sure that their health tax, property tax and education tax doesn't more than absorb any difference in income and income tax between them and western europe?
>>521043260I wouldn't pay a cent of that.
>>521046296Lmfao what even is this protecting? If this is the future, then it's time to sell all healthcare stocks. Because a crash is imminent.
>>521046296>generic drugsAre already cheap as fuck. They are negligible in cost.
>>521042246I voted for Reddit to die without health care. Thank you Trump.Promises made, promises kept.
>>521042246I just get mine through my employer like the vast majority of people.
>>521052185What about when you are retired and might actually use it?
>>521042246Insurance companies being able to send people into crippling medical debt and poorfags dying because they cant afford treatment is actually a good thing because it makes the libfags mad.
>>521042246Only retards get obamacare in the first place. It's been ridiculously expensive since he started it.
>>521044857>no armpit hairWe were THIS CLOSE to perfection
>>521042246As a Canadian who moved to the US, yes the healthcare system here is retarded. It’s basically a money pit and a daycare for Shadynasty’s and Taniqueef’s.
>>521051943>I wouldn't pay a cent of that.Sure, but can they take your house and car if you don't?
>>521042347In all fairness, a ton of Americans die from medical malpractice.
>>521042826My daughter broke her finger, it was like a $4000 bill, with insurance.
>>52104224690% of this "healthcare" is obesity related and the rest is psych meds. I'm pretty happy I won't be forced at gunpoint to subsidize some disgusting redditor's bad life choices.If we decided to ONLY pay for medical care for issues that weren't 100% self inflicted we could probably get it done for the 80B we're taking in with tariffs.
>>521042246the same way they do it now, they will turn to opioids when they have a health issue, and eventually turn into fentanyl zombies.
>>521042246All they have to do is stop eating goyslop and vegslop and they won't have much need for the "healthcare system". It's one big symbiotic racket exploiting the weakness and gullibility of westerners.
>>521042246Look if no one can afford it the insurances wiol start dropping like flies as only the best and the cheapest will be able to survive.If anything this breaks their broken system further in such a way that improvement is possible further down the line.
>>521051884If Americans adopted our healthcare systems it would cost far far more because the insurance companies are integrated into the kike government at this point. So nationalised healthcare for them would just mean insurance charging the same extortionate prices for everything and the government printing money for it. At least in the current system Americans can just not pay, and eat healthy. America's debt would soar past 100trillion in no time with say French-style healthcare.My point is that all of this political debates are like re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic. There are no solutions that do not involve dealing with the kike problem in government and corporations.
>>521045108i guess them taking your id when you're delirious idk, otherwise just say you're not sure what your name is so youre not outright committing fraud by lieing?i make good money remote and still keep my insurance in case a break a leg or something when im stateside, but if i was broke or wasnt in the US at all i woupdnt give a fuck. still feels like another gay goy tax
>>521042246Darwinian population control. The weaklings that are culled will be simply replaced by automation and indians
>>521052848There are a lot of really expensive drugs that basically have no benefit to them. Bankruptingly expensive but only 1 in 10,000 people will see any benefit. Then there is moderating demand. With private health insurance you can have anything you want provided you will pay the co pay. In Europe wait times moderate demand. So the main differences is that Europe has trimmed a lot of fat and made the system more available. You could argue its much better since its doing a better job for much less money.
>>521042890Yeah, encourage niggers to bankrupt the fucking country so they can get percocwt to sell on the street.You must be a jew.
>>521052874crazy to think that doctors used to do house calls and charge for labor like a mechanic, average guy could pay $50 or whatever the equivalent was at the time and get seen/fixed upI doubt very much insurance actually increases safety in any manner, the US still has hundreds of thousands of deaths due to medical malpractice every year, and that's only the shit they can't sweep under the rug
>>521053245don't you have to be at the office soon, wagie?
>>521042246>how burgers will afford health care nowjust take chlorine dioxide
>>521045931I don't have a wage for you to garnishGet fucked>pay insuranceLmao
>>521042246'cherry' means virgin which is ironic because she looks like she hasn't been a virgin since 5th grade
>>521043351>Trust fund baby has an opinion for the working manFuck right off and cram that silver spoon you were born with.
I pay $100 a month. How are you all fucking this up?
>>521053799me too but id still rather oay 0
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