If you want to solve the illegal immigration problem, you start by arresting everyone who hires illegal immigrants so that they have nowhere to work. The powers at be don’t do this, so it goes to reason that they have no interest in solving anything.
>>521043415Yeah arrest all fucking farmers am I right. What could go wrong? Gee idk maybe Holodomor?
If you can locate everyone who's employing an illegal then that means you've located all the illegal employees, right?So if you've done that then why not simply arrest the illegals?
>>521043415>arresting everyone who hires illegal immigrantsYou're dumb and do not understand how this works.
>>521043415Most corporations use a third party to conduct background checks. Need to pull vetting agencies before congress and hold their feet to the fire.
>>521043518The people that hire illegals have assets and homes and as a result can be more easily tracked. The point is to destroy the source of revenue the illegals have by coming here>>521043504The government should subsidize american citizens to work on farms and pay them well enough to make the job appealing. Subsidies going only to the farm owner is retarded.
>>521043872I get the point, but why not just arrest the illegals? That would also destroy their source of revenue. If you already know where they work then arresting them shouldn't be that hard.
>>521043975That literally doesn’t destroy the revenue. The source of revenue is the people paying the illegals. Those people will always exist unless you do something to them. Otherwise, illegals will find new ways to find them. If you have cheese in your house and kill a bunch of rats that are looking for it, more rats will come and try to get the cheese. If you get rid of the cheese, the rats have no reason to come into your house.
>>521043975>Why not squish individual ants instead of killing the queenBecause we're not retarded
>>521044271The queen ant is the employer. Employment is what draws the illegals in the first place.
>>521043872Yeah tax non farmers to subsidize farms in order to make HR advisors and Linux admins go pick potatoes. lol how fucking dumb is this? The Soviets did literally that and they used unpaid labor by students and teachers and guess what - they still had to import food when the whole shit broke down. I have a better solution: make it easier for farmers to hire farm hands abroad and visit on temp visas. Ban such visitors from changing residency status without a clearance by the embassy from the country of origin. Do not count the time they spend in the country towards the mandatory 5 year minimum and punish any violation harshly. That’s literally all you have to do.
>>521044184I like cheese the same way I like American businessmen. I don't want to sacrifice my cheese-filled lifestyle for rats, I'll just set up rat traps, maybe I'll even lure the rats into the traps with some cheese. The cheese isn't the problem here it's the rats.
>>521044374So you like the people profiting off destroying our country? Make it make sense.
>>521044355You could literally just tax the wealthy more and fund ard working Americans. It’d be way simpler and there’d be no need for immigration.
>>521044640I like people and I like profit. I don't want to get rid of these things. Sure we could trash the country entirely, make it damn near unlivable, and thereby probably reduce immigration legal or otherwise by 100% very quickly, but is that worth it?Why not just arrest the illegals instead of attempting to destroy the target of their envy, i.e. our prosperous nation?
>>521043415Correct.Over here illegal aliens are usually employed in>food delivery>restaurant kitchen>unskilled construction workingEmployers should be hanged as enablers.
>>521044775So you don’t want illegals here, but you want the people hiring illegals, and you want them to be able to hide illegals, but you don’t want them here. This is a nonsense position.
>>521044951>you want them to be able to hide illegalsI never said that and would never. How can the illegals be hidden if you already know for a fact that they're working for a particular person? Remember, you're assuming that you have proof that someone is employing illegals. It makes no sense at all to also say that you have no clue where these illegals are. How could you prosecute a case with no evidence?
>>521045078Explain how your system of “I want people to be able to hire illegals, but I don’t want any illegals” works then.
>>521045200Keep in mind your assumption: we know for a fact that Mr. A is employing Mr. B and that Mr. B is here illegally:>Go to their place of work>Instead of arresting Mr. A, arrest Mr. BIt's that simple.
>>521045274But Mr.A can only make money by hiring illegals. Arresting the illegals puts him under. Do you get the point?
>>521045469Well tough for him. And I don't want to pile on, so let's not add to his problems and waste a ton of time and money dragging him through the courts. Just deal with the illegals.
>>521043518The idea is that you make it untenable to employ them, so they don't come here.A tyson chicken factory employing 400 illegals and getting fined for 2k after making 20 million in profit solves nothing, it becomes a cost of doing business.Revoke their business licenses and they'd become too toxic to interact with.
Want to know who hires illegals the most? Look at the rural boomer who complains about illegals the most. He’s the old farmer who hires them, then deports them when it’s time to pay wages, and repeats the cycle.
>>521045560You’re dodging the question. You like the guy that employs illegals, you think that’s absolutely fine., but you also want to destroy his revenue? It’s logically inconsistent. It seems more likely that you’re just jumping backwards through hoops trying to defend the people who profit off destroying our country. Paying to put these people through court and arresting them would cost a lot less money than what I’ve is doing. It’s literally the most fiscally sound solution.
>>521045630Imagine this, though:What if coming into and working in this country illegally got you arrested? That would make it untenable to employ you, wouldn't it? And maybe you'd reconsider coming here?
>>521043415cool it with the antisemitism
>>521043415Republicans both love and hate illegal immigrants. It's literally because it's a racket and they can play both sides. If they don't get what they want they throw a crybaby fit.
>>521045744No because there’s still people trying to hire you. Now imagine if it was illegal to hire you. Then it would be way harder to find work. So hard you may not come here in the first place because the opportunity just isn’t there. See how destroying the incentive is more effective than constantly maintaining a broken system?
>>521045744You can have both, dumbass.If there's no fucking jobs there's nothing to risk - why would you even defend the position of employing wetbacks when it actively harms your fellow citizens and decreases the value of your labor? Even that gommunist Bernie Sanders acknowledges this.For a citizen in a nation filled to the brim with gambling you're pretty unaware of how many people are willing to risk it life to make a little more money.
>>521045736I don't want to destroy his revenue, but at the same time it's unacceptable for him to earn it in the way he's been doing. It's like if someone robs you because they desperately need money; of course you want them to have what they need, but that doesn't mean that you can abide their method of obtaining it.And BTW arresting MORE people would cost MORE time and money, not less, unless perhaps you're suggesting not arresting the illegals at all and focusing solely on their employer which is just insane.
>>521045858Anon, arresting one employer is way cheaper and more efficient than arresting and deporting dozens of illegals.
>>521046016You're absolutely right about that, but that's exactly the insanity I'm talking about.Just to be clear: you're saying that if one employer hires dozens of illegals, then you should arrest the employer and let his employees go. Right?
>>521046104No, you should arrest both, but over time the employees would deport themselves because all the employers would be arrested. But if the employers are nit arrested, there will just me more illegals slipping through the cracks to find more work. The efficient thing to do for the prosperity of the country long term is to arrest everyone that hires illegals. It’s just the logical conclusion if you actually care about the prosperity of America.
>>521046188You said this: >Anon, arresting one employer is way cheaper and more efficient than arresting and deporting dozens of illegals.But now you're saying that you actually want to arrest that one person plus his dozens of employees. Which is it? You know which option is more expensive: it's whichever has more people to be arrested. So make up your mind.
>>521046342Long term you’d only have to arrest the people who employ illegals. In the short term you’d have to arrest both and deport the illegals. Again. You kill the incentive to come here by removing all employment opportunities. It isn’t that hard to understand. With no work, the few illegals that slipped the government’s grasp would leave on their own.
>>521046428How long is the long term? I can't imagine any time frame in which that suggestion makes any sense at all. It's removing all the risk to the illegal employee and putting 100% of it on the employer. Unless you just hate Americans why on Earth would you even consider that?
>>521043415Why are you talking to this board as if anybody here is going to implement your strategies ? Are you a shizo? Do you think Trump is reading and taking notes?
>>521046553How does it remove the risk on the illegal employee. The risk is starvation. Don’t you get it. The point is that long term it’s illegal to employ them, so they either starve or leave. The point is that they’d have no reason to come here in the first place. Why would they come here if it was impossible to find work? They wouldn’t. It’s that simple.
>>521046617I just get a kick out of baiting retards without common sense into debates they can’t win.
>>521043415This. You'd only have to arrest the head of the companies. After thw first few arrests, instantly evwry single illegal in the country would become unemployed and unemployable and would self deport. Its way more efficient than trying to catch and deport millions of people, each requiring a fucking flight out.
>>521044673lol imagine being this delusional. When you start taxing the wealthy they just go live in the Bahamas or what not. What, are you going to invade Bahamas so you can tax your wealthy? Yeah, dying in a never ending war because some union boss wants a pay rise is the real American way. Just look what happened when Sweden hiked its taxes. The rich Swedes just moved over to Denmark lmao.
>>521046705Focus on the term illegal: they're here illegally, as in they broke the law, and you think "long term" they shouldn't even be arrested when found. And to cap it off, not only do you not arrest them, but you actually arrest an American who's here legally instead, like a scapegoat. If it's not insane then it's evil.
>>521046819Arrest the wealthy and repossess their assets. Blackrock is a stain on American prosperity. Artificially keeping housing prices inflated by hoarding all the stock is treasonous.
>>521046839The point is that they wouldn’t need to be arrested because they wouldn’t be here in the first place. The reason being that there’s nothing here for them because nobody wants to risk jail time by hiring them.
>>521043415Just tax remittances.Chasing down illegal shops is great and all but it sounds exhausting.Taxes gets you paid for them removing themselves.With less profit on their end they won’t even show up for work to whoever’s hiring them.It’s a lot more camera friendly than kids in cages.It’s also the hardest to reverse because dems will need to make up the difference somewhere else in the budget, as well as try to sell ‘tax breaks for illegals’ to the general public.
>>521046963I don't see why nobody would risk it, especially when as in our hypothetical earlier you yourself said that there's no other way to make money. The illegals are certainly willing to risk it for the same reason. And if as you suggest they're not even risking arrest at all, they're just straight up laughing at the dumbass American cops who will arrest Americans for their own crimes.
>>521046933>Arrest the wealthy and repossess their assetslol ok, this means all the boomer voters sucking the teat of the pension system (aka social security) will see their retirement accounts plummet. I agree that boomers are a cancer but you can't change the fact that they vote.As for the "wealthy" it's easily managed. Just hire a CEO for $1 a year, but he owns the preferred stock so he gets paid a gazillion bucks in dividends without the ownership rights. You can't arrest his assets because he earns below the minimum wage and trust me when I say that rich know how to hide their shit. What you will see is that all the "rich" will become a smaller and smaller demographic, and at one point the middle class will be considered "rich" and so on. Eventually someone will chimp out and vote for some other insane monkey in a red cap, and all your dreams will crumble. It's simple as this.> Blackrock is a stain on American prosperityCool. They can become a stain on someone else's economy, like Ireland or even a fucking Andorra lmao.>Artificially keeping housing prices inflated by hoarding all the stock is treasonous.Yeah maybe the bullshit zoning laws and school districts are to blame. You get insane bargains for houses that cost like 500 bucks over there but OOPS it's a nigger neighborhood and you owe the city 500k in renovations. LMAO
>>521047078Anon, let’s say you’re semi somewhere in South America and really need to make some money to send it home to your family or whatever. Are you going to go to the place where nobody will hire you because it is illegal to do so? No. Of course not. You’re not going to make any money going there. You’ll go somewhere else instead. That’s the whole point of destroying the incentive and why it’s the most effective long term solution.
>>521047105Do you know who bribes the politicians into putting those zoning laws into place? Blackrock. You guys love diverting the blame when the reality is that attacking the cause of the problem is always more effective than mitigating the damage the problem continues to cause.
>>521047189If making something illegal meant that nobody would do it then there'd be no illegals in the first place. Why do you think that nobody would be willing to break your proposed law in particular, especially given that there's a financial incentive to?
>>521047189I disagree.Perp walking illegal employers isn’t a lasting solution.Because the next executive branch can just selectively choose not to enforce the rules, and you’re back to square one.The more permanent solution is entwining it with taxes. See>>521047075
>>521047317Thats why I said that you continue to arrest the people that try and hire the few illegals that try and come in later down the line. You can still go after the small number of illegals that end up trickling in for whatever reason, fine, but arresting the employers is what keeps the from wanting to come here. Again, to solve a problem, you strike it at its source, and the source of illegal labor is the people hiring illegals.
>>521047350I think there are multiple avenues that can be taken simultaneously. The point should be to scare employers into never wanting to hire an illegal. That’s ultimately the end goal.
>>521043415Oh there's a problem with illegal immigration? I thought there were catastrophic problems with official gov immigration policy and practice. Looks like you're fucked whichever foot the shoe's on yeah? I think they call that some kind of prisoner dilemma.
>>521047433That didn't answer my question at all. I'll rephrase:You say that nobody would hire illegals if it were illegal to do so, yet illegals themselves cross the border despite that also being illegal. So why do you think that everyone would obey your law when it's already demonstrated that people are willing to disobey laws to make money?
>>521047471Scaring people is like Halloween, it comes and goes.You need to adjust the scales in your favor regardless of the enemies emotions if you want to win at realpolitik.
>>521047567True, which is why we do have to be vigilant about walkbacks. It’s sort of like how some conservatives want to bring child labor back. It was illegal for a while and for good reason. People should be afraid for their lives if they even utter their support of the concept of children going into factories. The same should be said for people in support of employing illegals.
>>521047258>Do you know who bribes the politicians into putting those zoning laws into place? Blackrock.lol that's right. That's why you'll never get it your way. Maybe once you'll make your own Blackrock you'll fix it but until then just get yourself a passport and a nice chill country with lots of sun and easy women. There's nothing else you need in life.>You guys love diverting the blame when the reality is that attacking the cause of the problem is always more effective than mitigating the damage the problem continues to cause.Yeah, the cause of the problem is that your country is a Jewish plantation. Not that we're any better but hey. I can buy a cheap flat in Portugal and nobody can stop me. Good luck finding a summer home in Florida tho. top kek
Or everyone that has some space gets a few chickens and starts their own victory garden. Of course overnight they would make this illegal like they already do. This would probably just make them move into other industries though. https://www.brusselstimes.com/477507/keeping-chickens-becoming-more-popular-in-belgium-what-to-know
>>521047782Somehow it's muh Jews when big dog America is infiltrated by Chinese, Russian, London, south america etc etc but yeah it's all Jews. Why is pol so dumb
