Here are the definitions, from Wikipedia. They're just standard, concise definitions and describe these phenomena in general and do so very well.Corvée is a form of unpaid forced labour that is intermittent in nature, lasting for limited periods of time, typically only a certain number of days' work each year. Statute labour is a corvée imposed by a state for the purposes of public works. As such it represents a form of levy (taxation). Unlike other forms of levy, such as a tithe, a corvée does not require the population to have land, crops or cash.The obligation for tenant farmers to perform corvée work for landlords on private landed estates was widespread throughout history before the Industrial Revolution. The term is most typically used in reference to medieval and early modern Europe, where work was often expected by a feudal landowner of their vassals, or by a monarch of their subjects.The application of the term is not limited to feudal Europe; corvée has also existed in modern and ancient Egypt, ancient Sumer ancient Rome, China, Japan, the Incan civilization, Haiti under Henry I and under American occupation (1915–1934), and Portugal's African colonies until the mid-1960s. Forms of statute labour officially existed until the early 20th century in Canada and the United States.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corv%C3%A9eMany people complain about the lack of great architecture today, like how Egyptians built the pyramids and Medieval Christians built giant Cathedrals (some took centuries to build and were projects worked on by more than a dozen, or even dozens of, successive generations of local residents). The Medievals also constructed wonderful castles. The Early Moderns made gorgeous palaces like Versailles and hundreds of other, less famous ones (many modeled on Versailles if they postdate Versailles) across Europe. The Romans had the Forum and the Athenians the Acropolis. Chine has the Forbidden City.(Continued)
>>521078844https://youtu.be/wIs7S40lrR0Temple generates free Energy
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>>521078844Also, not just amazing architectural feats, but also extremely practical infrastructural mega-projects have been constructed over the millennia by societies across the world, projects to do with irrigation for farmlands like building hundreds of miles long canals in premodern times and artificial rivers and lakes (reservoirs) and aqueducts and sewer systems and all the rest. Well, corvee labor, specifically statute labor when a state or level of government beneath the state (like a regional or administrative government) mandates, a la conscription, that all able-bodied males within a certain age range, like 15-55, must report to an area to undertake a specific project, which work and the duty to relocate and do it might occur seasonally such that each conscript worker spends X number of months per year performing his duty to the state, and the practice continues, season after season, until the necessary project is complete. Corvee labor encompasses statute labor, so that the latter is corvee that is ordered by a state for a specific project or set of projects while the former is just any form of legally prescribed unpaid labor that it is considered, legally and culturally, a duty of the people to perform. For example, when the local lord required his serfs to spend five days each month working his private lands (not the lord's lands granted as farmsteads to serfs, but the lord's own lands to which his serfs were otherwise denied access), these occasions constituted corvee that was not statute labor, since no major public project was involved and the state did not conscript the workforce, rather a private individual (a landlord) did so.But in return for their work on their lord's land, the serfs got the right to remain on the plot of land where they lived and which they farmed to make their living, so, since money was not widely available to peasants in those days, this corvee labor was just a form of paying rent in exchange for the lord granting
>>521079617certain peasants, i.e. his serfs, the right to use plots of his land to live on, like in building their house on it, and to make their livelihood from by way of agricultural or trade activities. Corvee is not evil; it was just a way of making payment, especially for a dwelling and its adjacent farmable fields, to the owner of that land, namely the landlord. Thus corvee occupies the same ethical status as paying rent in cash does today, and indeed, as Medieval Europe developed, trade increased, the towns and cities grew, and cash became more common, landlords, because it was now just more often possible, began accepting cash payments from their serfs for the right to continue living on and using certain plots of their land in lieu of a certain number of days of labor each month or year. As cash becomes less and less available to common people in the developed countries, which is happening as the so called "middle class" goes away (it was always bound to be an ephemeral phenomenon and people were wrong to think that a broad middle class was a permanent fixture of modern life, since middle classes have, world-historically, which is to say in societies across the globe down through the earliest eras of history, have always been very small, like 10% to 20% of the society's population with 20% constituting a large middle class by world-historical standards), then payment in labor in return for rights or goods or services, like the right to occupy someone else's land or building, will have to become more common, since property owners will not be giving access to their property away (will not just make it free or freely available to people who need it), but instead will require a more or less equal payment in return for what the property owner, or merchant in the case of goods or services, is giving up. Markets take many forms, and a moneyed market, or one whose transacted are ordinarily mediates by exchanges or money, are just one form of markets and in fact
>>521080230are an unusual kind of market world-historically, since most market activity down through the ages has consisted in exchanges of goods or services (like labor: a service) rather than through money, such that entire markets or distinct systems of trade have been non-monetary markets but instead ones based on exchanges of goods and services directly. Money is just a universal claim to goods and services where some amount of money equals some amount of a good or service in some place and time and the monetary value of the good or service at issue is determined by "market rationality," which is to say, by the aggregate expectations people have of what their good or service or right that they have on offer, to sell, is worth on the one side (the seller's side), and, on the buyer's side, consists of expectations for what some quantity of currency (currency is money denominated in widely recognized, in the best case officially sanctions, units, which facilitate transactions by standardizing the measures used to represent value, a la the universal exchangeability of all different goods and services on offer in a market, so that it is easier for buyers and sellers to figure how much of X is equal to an amount of Y etc. -- reckonings more readily performed when standardized units of currency exist than in systems of straightforward barter), such that the market, like a supercomputer processing gigantic quantities of data inputs transformed into information, does something quite similar in processing huge quantities of expectations for what should be exchanged for a good or service (the market-computer's data inputs) into valuations that are equalities between X amount of A-type good or service and Y amount of B-type good or service (the outputted information from all the processed data in the computer analogy), with monetary values measured in units of currency being the simplest way to measure goods' and services' values relative one another.
>>521081271The fact is, in the advanced and first-developed countries of the world today, money is becoming less available to most people and part of the reason why is currencies themselves are becoming inadequate measures of the values of things -- goods and services but also accesses or permissions to use something -- relative one another. And there is no good or convincing reason to believe the trend will reverse and people will somehow gain access to more money or even to more accurate money, accurate in terms of its ability to measure value consistently or in a way that satisfies both buyers and sellers on each side of the transaction. So we'll need to go back to pre-monetary markets for ever larger swathes or economic activity, and the main way to do this is to begin establishing ways of reckoning the worth of some good or service vis-a-vis others, where labor, especially, is important because it is the thing that ordinary people have the most of to sell in exchange for things they want and, more crucially, need. So I see corvee making a comeback in the modern countries as this century continues, in a situation where money gains ever more use among those with access to it (and becomes even more precise in its ability to value things accurately relative one another) while money becomes less and less accessible, and less and less of an accurate measure of value (such that more people, both buyers and sellers, feel "ripped off" in a monetary transaction because the amount of money they gave, for the buyer, or the amount of things they gave up, for the seller, does not meet expectations). Money itself, in the advanced countries, despite the common currency used by each modern country, is value-bifurcating, by which I mean its ability to measure value adequately, such that both the buyer and the seller feel satisfied by what they gave or else gave up, respectively, in the transaction, is diverging between the commoners and the elites, such that the commoners,
> unpaid work so some child diddling retard noble can live in a 3000 sq ft palace and spit on the workersnah bro
>>521082063both buyers and sellers, are increasingly feeling ripped off during transactions as the money system breaks down in the common sphere of the society, while elites are feeling ever more satisfied with what they get for their money, or else give up for money, for buyers and seller respectively, as money, of even the same currency type, gains in efficiency in the elite sphere of society.This means that commoners -- and they have always been commoners, as opposed to elites, despite any gestures about ending aristocracy and systems of nobility -- will have to learn how to transact for their wants and needs non-monetarily in the advanced countries who advancement is actually requiring this bifurcation in the ability of money, even in common currencies with discrete units of money, to represent value among those markets of the elite sphere of economic transaction and those markets of the commoner sphere of economic transaction.It is an odd idea, but it is a true idea or a concept that succeeds in corresponding to and capturing some real situation, that money can lose its accuracy as a measure of value in one domain of society based on social rank while simultaneously becoming better as a measure of value in another social domain based on social rank, such that even the same units of currency used across the whole society, common and elite, like US dollars, work differently for common people than these same units work for elites, but no one ever seriously said that reality is under an obligation to conform with our expectations of how reality should be in insofar as reality concerns the main sectors of human life and activity.Therefore, I would think, that because the commoners' money is inaccurate and the commoners are ever losing access to their inaccurate money in the first place, elites, up to the level of the state that is the most elite institution of all, holding ultimate authority in all official matters, will begin to demand not money
>>521078844Anon all the people who had the skills to even begin doing something like that are all dead and no one passed on shit. Its over.
>>521082783from the commoners, who lack money anyway and who, when they have some, have inaccurate money in its ability to represent value (like "tainted" or contaminated money, if you will), in return for goods, services, and accesses that elites have and commoners need, even down to access to land with a basic home on it for the growing number of renters there will be among the commoners as we progress into the future, but rather elites, in return for parting with some good or service they have, or parting with their exclusive right to some plot of land with a usable home on it, will want goods, services, or most all labor, in lieu of the commoners' funny money that does not represent value very well in both the elite sphere of economic activity with its markets and in the commoner sphere of activity with its markets, leaving transactors who give up or receiver commoner monies frustrated and feeling ripped off due to the commoner monies' inability to measure value accurately (and as time progresses, the commoners' monies will just become ever worse at measuring market value, until it is so inaccurate that money has to be abandoned by the commoners in favor of a system of pure barter and corvee at some point in the future). But there is an upside for the non-elites aka commoners, just as there is a plain upside for the elites, as the money system breaks down among commoners, which is that with corvee, and its particular form of statute labor conscripted by the state in any of its levels, gaining prevalence or typicality of use, large projects, from infrastructures to architectural features that stand as the pride of a region for centuries or millennia to come -- famous landmarks in the best scenario for their reputability -- will become easier to undertake, in virtue of the fact that it is necessarily easier to require labor from a commoner in exchange for basic things than it is to pay a commoner money that can then be used to buy anything, basic or
>>521083010Necessity is not only the mother of invention, but also of reinvention, like of skills.
>>521083556lavish, and which commoner-held money can trespass into the elite sphere of economic activity and taint its better valuations and fairer exchanges by constituting an intrusion into a realm of society that the commoner should, according to the natural order of things, ought not have access.So as money is just lost among the common peoples of the advanced countries (and today's developing countries will come upon the same developments that we in the advanced societies are undergoing, just later on), due to money's lack of availability and its inability to represent value adequately among the commoners, it is simply inevitable that we will enter a new age -- departing from this strange this bubble of widespread money access and an inordinately large and abnormal middle class, by any world-historical standards -- of the building of grand palaces, each with hundreds to several thousands of marble rooms and such, and building great infrastructures like our advanced countries have not witnessed the likes in several generations now, and building extraordinary and ornate churches or other embodiments of our love for our deepest beliefs (religious or metaphysical kinds of beliefs that answer, for us, the most fundamental of possible questions), and perhaps even of building grand tombs for our highest leaders in the manner of the Great Pyramids although likely of very different kinds of architecture.The age of greatness shall return, where greatness is the actualization of our highest ideals as physical things ranging from infrastructural to architectural features, and which greatness requires that the elites occupy a financial realm above, apart from and inaccessible to common folk, meaning that elites gain the ability to demand work itself in exchange for the basic goods of life that the commoner's life is characterized by the pursuit for, such that the commoner lives day to day, as an exigency of the natural order, and spends most of his waking life laboring
>>521078844You are a brainlet that can’t define serf Or peasant probably
>>521084365for his betters, on things that magnify the society as a whole like public works, in exchange for his continued existence on this earth. Our modern liberal proclivities, which tell us it is somehow wrong for elites to have so much while the commoners live just to serve, will have to vanish as we adapt to the coming more advanced world. Indeed we are not seeing any regression in the return of the old ways of economics and politics and the reestablishment of elitism to the point that hereditary noble classes will reemerge across the advanced countries soon, but in fact our societies are just continuing their wonderful progressive journey, toward the ideal of perfection in alignment of social reality with the natural order of things as expressed in the concept of the Great Chain of Being, where an unusual middle class was just one step of the great journey whose entire role was to be surpassed despite whatever unwarranted hopes its occurrence produced in common minds. The future is bright. For although the commoners will work hard to earn their daily bread and a roof above their head, greatness itself shall reenter our modern world, in all its forms from glorious palaces and cathedrals to previously unimaginable infrastructure feats to, perhaps, even new funerary monuments akin to Great Pyramids for our greatest leaders.What more could men of reason reasonably hope for?
>>521084453I can define both and use the terms correctly.Here is an amusing cartoon depicting fallacious modern perceptions of how medieval serfs thought about their relationships with their noble overlords. Of course the cartoon is wildly inaccurate in its sentiments, for commoners have something like what Aristotle identified as the "slave nature" (more accurately a serf nature, not one in need of chattel slavery) and so commoners find their natural joy in serving their landlords, but that crazed inaccuracy is the joke,
