Previous: >>521524545Day 1,362 – Daily assessment: https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>Voronezh missile engine factory struck>Major Ukrainian Drone Strike Halts Oil Deliveries at Novorossiysk Terminal>Su-30SM crashed in Karelia, all crew dead>Flamingo flew to Tuapse + NOVOPUSSYISK was hit separately three times at once: port, oil storage, ammo dump.>The first Russian region announced an Internet shutdown until the end of the war>The US has frozen negotiations with Russia on normalizing relations>State Duma deputy Nikolai Arefiev announced that Russian citizens have “become impoverished”>Ukraine targets Russian energy facilities in Taganrog and Voronezh>Azerbaijan has now transferred to NATO doctrine, abandoning russian doctrine citing it as ineffective>'A powerful secondary detonation' — Ukraine confirms drone, missile strike on Russian Shahed base at Donetsk airport>Kostroma Power Station droned. Third biggest in Russia + Volgograd reFINEry also droned.>HUR + Ru rebels Chernaya Iskra destroy Russian missile equipment and radar in Kursk region>Russian IL-76 transport aircraft downed by Chinese AA system used by rebels in Sudan>Tuapse refinery offline due to Tuapse port infrastructure damage from drone strikes>Ru Rubikon drone unit's HQ droned by Ukrainian FP-2>Ukrainian naval drones strike Syvash drill rig in the Black Sea where Russian special forces were stationed>Sterlitamak petrochemical plant 1,400km away droned▶Telegramhttps://rentry.org/telosint2023https://t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelhttps://t.me/DeepStateENhttps://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)https://ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapshttps://deepstatemap.live/enhttps://liveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOUR 1: files.catbox.moe/34fuhc.txtTOUR 2: files.catbox.moe/uj2wut.txtTOUR 3: files.catbox.moe/hmyd98.txtTOUR 4: files.catbox.moe/cdenxe.txt
The poster below me supports killing all ziggers
TZD
bomb pidors with R-360
>>521530598>>521530607Trannies, How many failed attempts to break the encirclement has ukraine made today?
>>521530694how many failed frontal metwave assaults pidors made today?
What cuntry is Jewlensky hiding in today?
part and parcel
kill the russanimal
russia is nigger
>>521530642Sovless
>>521530736Fake ukie flag. Every real ukrainian knows Russia is winning.
>>521530810Moscow regimealways hatedKurskians and Bilhorodianseveryone knew a civil war will start
>>521530810>t. vpnpidor
>>521530810>reddit spacing
>>521530810why do youwritte likea massivenigger faggot
>>521530802that is perfection, everything else is just a poor imitation
>>521530810Maybe he just didn't get the memo
>>521530802foreshortening sure has a way of making us fall short of our goals as wannabe artists as wellnot that being a wannabe is bad, it's how you get to be>>521530902Oh shit, looks like I took a meme unironicallyI will not abort the post though, because I don't wanna be dishonestFor this display of humility - will you enlighten me if this is infact some kind of meme?I never watched the show or participated in the fandom so I wouldn't know.
>>521530902this is perfection
>>521530678>scope-360 petrol bomb
Based Bolan baker.
>>521530891the double spacing is for your benefit.ukraine supporters have difficulties engaging with content with more than 240 characters.Your gnat-like zoomer attention spans need all the help you can get.
>>521530891Because he has crippling dyslexiaor because his autotranslate fucks up the formatby the wayhis official explanation is:"intelligent people always format their texts into such an easily readable structure"no I am not kiddingthe retard actually said thatkek
>>521530678everyone is like "flamingo this, flamingo that", meanwhile this long boi is doing it's job
>>521530960it's a level C meme from reddit from this week, no need to feel bad for not recognizing it
>>521530855>Kurskians and BilhorodiansIt's called sieverianie or sievriuki historicallyAnd not always, ofcource. Russian tsardom was based
how can we fix the advancing backwards problem?
>>521531142>russian tsardom was basedsure thing rusnigger
>>521531171Reach a diplomatic agreement with Putin
>>521531065JeezEven I just use an ordinary newlineI will however insist that there is still no dyslexia here though>>521531101Thanks>>521531093Why do you think that is?Because it's more flashy and memeable?Or is there also a legitimate non-pareto reason for it like e.g. "flamingo can be produced more plentifully and faster"?
>>521531065Nobody reads SFB News or propagandarchist's tranny babble.But they do read my posts.That tells you everything you need to know about ukraine supporters.
>>521530960some plebbit guy asked how to draw the angle, and the pic went viral on twatter
>>521531142>RussianMade up term by bolshevik jews. Muscovites are nothing like Bilhorodians or Kubanoids.This is exactly why Moscow regime sent north korean genocide squads to behead Kurskian people.
>>521531224Em, yes, it's very sure and obvious. I thought it was impossible to argue with that. Strange.
>cofi status?
>>521531261agreements with russia are worth less than the paper they are written ononly relative strength matter when dealing with these worthless bucket-crab monkiesTimeline:>1991 USSR empire dies>RF accepted independent UA>1991 borders overwhelmingly affirmed nationwide referendumnote: there's no armed conflict>1994-12-05: RF signs Budapest MemorandumUA gives all nukes and some other hardware to RFRF guarantee security & territorial integrity of UAco-signed by UK&USA>2014-02-20: broke memorandum by invading UA Crimeanote: technically RF broke already by 2000 Tuzla island landgrabRF also signed and broke:>2014-09-05: Minsk I agreements/cease fire>2014-09-28: Minsk I by attacking the Donetsk airport>2015-02-12: Minks II agreements/cease fire>Following the separatist victory at Donetsk International Airport in defiance of the Protocol, DPR spokesman Eduard Basurin said that "the Minsk Memorandum will not be considered in the form it was adopted".>Later in the day, DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko said that the DPR "will not make any attempts at ceasefire talks any more", and that his forces were going to "attack right up to the borders of Donetsk region".>2015-02-12: Minsk II continuing fire on Ukrainian positions in debaltseve>Implement Minsk agreement>Separatists continued a heavy assault on Debaltseve. Both sides said that they would not withdraw heavy weaponry as specified by the agreement whilst fighting in Debaltseve was ongoing.>Ukrainian forces were forced to retreat from Debaltseve on 18 February, leaving separatist forces in control of the city.>2022-02-24: all treaties by invading UA full-scalenote: even until RF invaded UA 2022, the govt was open to "diplomacy" or "Minsk III"Conclusion:UA=independent of RFPlenty "diplomacy" was tried.RF=no credible partner - only lies and backstabsMany do not understand this truth about Russia.Ukraine is right and russia must die/be deterred by death and destruction
>>521531290>some plebbit guy asked how to draw the angle, and the pic went viral on twatterOoof, that's painfulA singular shitty drawing turns into an entire meme and omnidirectional mega-mogging by all those that spent the hundreds of hours to learn to draw when the dude is likely like 10-80 hours in at most
>>521531271>Why do you think that is?I guess people fall for the "big payload = good" meme, ignoring the other specs. We've yet to see any results from flamingo aside from that one hit on fsb building in crimea. But nep-chan has already blown up several targets in russia.
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>>521531317>Muscovites are nothing like BilhorodiansThey are Muscovites (in a broad historical sense)>KubanoidsHalf ukrainians from central Ukraineso there really were some historical differences here
>>521531322>powerty>aastronomical illiteracy rates>lack of industralisation>lacking infrastructureno wonder my greatgreatgreatgrandfather decidet to kill you niggers during january uprising
>>521531287Kek, you call those posts? More like schizo scrawl
>>521531355You'll do nothing but watch you sausage eating hun, your country is an open toilet for immigrants now the only thing being conqured is you
>>521531451>They are Muscovites (in a broad historical sense)Bilhorod is historical Ukrainian land.
>>521531492i wonder who else is sending shitskins to europe
>>521531355If these agreements are beneficial to the Russian government and on favorable terms, then they don't even need paperwork. Unfortunately, there's no alternative. Every war ends with agreements
pidorussian world is beautiful. why stupid xoxols don't want to be a part of it?
>>5215314681.7 Poles deported to Siberia))No other country on Earth deport as many Poles and other countries to one localized and inhospitable region on Earth.
>>521531566Russia arms them, then sends them to invade
>>521531576>"beneficial to the Russian government and on favorable terms">submit to our demands or we're going to chimp outyou truly are closer to niggers than to whites
Zfriendly reminder that this was average guy POV living in the 90s. Neighbour, sister's friends, nurses etctoo bad i was still a kid but once grown up these women stopped existing, basically I got used to women not existing anymore.
>>521531468>>powerty>>aastronomical illiteracy rates>>lack of industralisation>>lacking infrastructureNo worse than the rest of Eastern Europe. But Russia's centers were both wealthy and educated, and most importantly, Russia was growing and developing very rapidly.>>521531468>decidet to kill you niggers during january uprisingA grave mistake that led to the dissolution of your state and many deaths. The Tsar granted Poland a state and the right to union with it. It was a great gift. It's a shame many did not appreciate this generous gesture. And many died
>>521531731those are trannies btw
>>521531691Poles burnt down and looted Moscow several times in history. They are the true savages. Even Africans built greater empires and Kingdoms than the Poles. That is why Russia and Africa get along well, they are from empire nations.
>>521531439Okay famalamSummarizing for other anons:+++NEPTUNE R-360+++range:-------280Km (1000km for longboi)warhead: --150Kg (260Kg for longboi)speed:-------subsonic (so less than 1234Km/h not very helpful statement)+++Flamingo +++range:------- 3000km (only when slow, probably)warhead: -- 1150Kg (impressyiv)speed:------- 850Km/h (950Km/h terminal)height:------- 5KmI guess the big play is affordability of Flamingo?
>>521531479Interacting with ukraine supporters is exhausting. Its like talking to a wall.
>>521531565>Bilhorod is historical Ukrainian land.I've never heard of this. It wasn't part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, nor was it populated by Ukrainians. Strange.I see this is a photo from the Civil War, so I think the name is there because things were changing so quickly.
>>521531731>once grown up these women stopped existingBruh, zoomerettes are better than grown up 30+ hags of my age 9 times out of 10, and not just because they're younger.
>>521531806Burning down Moscow is a preventative measure at worst
>>521531816Interacting with Russia supporters is like talking to a gloryhole
>>521531860Moscow is the cultural origin of all things Slavic, including culture, history, etc.
>>521531565I mean, I'm half Belgorod (though historically, I prefer to think of myself as a Kursk citizen), all my mother's ancestors were indigenous Belgorod peasants, who have lived there for many centuries, and we are definitely not Ukrainians. I mean, no one shared such an identity or even the specific features of the Ukrainian language.Although, of course, ethnically we are all very similar and form one whole. But there was no such identity here.
Cool picDoesn't change the fact that ukranny lost
>>521531576Yes and?The point is to pummel the kremlin regime until they have to step back from their maximalist demandsThey wont even stop for a ceasefireIt will take years before jewtin dies and he is psychologically incapable of seeing how he could have fucked up le wect by playing into trumps "peace" morerefinery dronings will continue>>521531806>Poles burnt down and looted Moscow several times in history.I think you're lying but it's based if true, if there is anyone on this planet deserving to have their city burnt down, the muscovite slavers deserve it
>>521531842pic rel is how I see zoomettes dear lil cossack
>>521531691>>submit to our demands or we're going to chimp outThis is how it has always been.
>>521531915>Moscow is the cultural origin of all things Slavic, including culture, history, etc.Moscow isn't even the cultural origin of all things Russian.
>>521531996They exist in different varieties
>>521531915This is true. My grandpa always said every Slav should be required to visit Moscow once in their life to pay homage to their Russian forefathers. This could help clear up the misunderstandings a lot of Slavs have about Russians. When Slavs hate Russians, they are hating themselves.
>>521531955poles hate everyone around them toWe're hardly special in that regard
>REPORT: 70% of Russians view Stalin positively, growing from 50%, according to a 2021 poll. Why do the war make him more popular ?
>>521532075oh yes right heres zoomette b) these too cover 90% as far as shutin me can tell
>>521532082>Slav should be required to visit Moscow once in their life
>>521532065Maybe something like the Russian alphabet is an exception, but it is generally true. Once the head of the Orthodox Church moved to Moscow after the fall of Constantinople, Russia eventually became the de-facto head of the Slavic people.
>>521532087Living that close to a zigger hive would drive anyone crazy
>>521531955>from their maximalist demandsHe's already backed down. The demands he won't back down from are most likely the return of influence in Ukraine, or at least the prospect of such a return, meaning no integration with NATO, etc.>refinery dronings will continueHe doesn't care, he has trillions of dollars and a hundred million people in his property, if he doesn't have enough money because of oil, he'll just raise taxes.
>>521532148pidorashkas yearn to be slaves
>>521532189This is way more common on women whom are outside the zoomerette age group
>>521532148Stalin lead Russia to victory in the Great Patriotic War against the Nazis in the 40s. Now, Russia is facing the same Nazi threat.
>>521531810Affordability and the fact that it can be used to destroy whole different types of targets (it's a 1-ton bomb after all)But *so far* we've only seen a few shootdowns. Sadface. I guess the size combined with it's speed makes it an easy target for AA, so it needs a careful planning and a certain... usage tactic. Hopefully they'll figure it out.
>>521531955>the muscovite slaversWhatI mean, it was the other way around, Moscow was constantly suffering from slave raids.
>>521532245>it's not us it's the 109 other countries sounds familiar
>>521532343Muscovy was literally a Golden Horde vassal who raided all their neighbors to enslave people and steal riches.
>>521531915moscow wasn't a thing when Poland became a kindom so fuck off
>>521532400neither was Warsaw lol
>>521532082
>>521532387Russias been sanctioned by 109 countries for no reason
>>521532400When was Poland ever a kingdom? It was a commonwealth, yes, but never a kingdom. Unless you mean when it was under a Russian King.
>>521532393>Muscovy was literally a Golden Horde vassalYes, we all were>enslave peopleNo>and steal riches.Yes, But mainly to subjugate. Collecting money from a subordinate is only a secondary goal.
>>521532387oh the irony of this post
>>521532393In a different timeline there's Norgorod republic instead of "russian pederation" and we don't have rabid niggers as neighbors.
>>521532472tell me again what we did in 2012?because sanctions started in 2012
>>521532087Well, it makes sense Poland isn't very fond of Germany and AustriaWe're working on it thoughMeanwhile the kremlin regime and russians who so readily abdicate their freedom and mind to these ghoulish criminal clowns in the kremlin are dead-set on continuing their imperial mania bucket-crab mentalitySo in spite of all idiocies there will be gradual approachmentLECH WUEEEZLLLUZLCCKCCKASAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axbYB_6kpKU
hmm this american friend sure is very fluent in russian history and vernacularquite peculiar if you ask me... hmm
>>521532201>Russian alphabet is an exceptionYou already concede it's not Russian, why call it Russian then? >Once the head of the Orthodox Church moved to Moscow after the fall of ConstantinopleThis never happened. Even if it did you're placing the start of slavic culture at some point between the 15th and 17th century for some reason which is hilarious in its own right.
>>521532508you truly are a special brand of retardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Poland
>>521532400Which kingdom are you talking about? If you're talking about Vladislav Lokotok, then the Moscow Principality already existed and was growing rapidly. If you're talking about King Mieszko, then yes, Moscow didn't exist as a major city at that time, but there were other, older cities.
>>521532518>We subjugated, we never enslaved
>>521532442no one claims that all Polish things originate from warsaw you dumb nigger faggot. hell warsaw wasn't even 2nd Polish capital city
>>521532586Invaded Georgia in 2008
>>521532586I said for no reason. 109 countries for no reason.
>>521532518You did enslave people. You took so many Finns as slaves that the percentage of our population lost to you was bigger than the percentage of Africans sold during the trans-Atlantic slave trade.You lie as easy as you breathe.
>>521532259>He's already backed down. The demands he won't back down from are most likely the return of influence in Ukraine, or at least the prospect of such a return, meaning no integration with NATO, etc.Contrary to what imperialists would like to believe though, Ukraine does have agency of its ownAnd they might well just take the Poland route and say "No NATO, okay, I'll go for Nukes then" through back-channelsEven idiotic "escalation managers" understand thisThe economic impacts do matter because you can only tax everything to a pointAnd even if the kremlin regime achieves some sort of concessions, their ability to hold onto that is far from guaranteed and seems exceptionally unlikely given how the previous actions (raise taxes, cut investments, direct everything into war economy, dont have good results for the people to show for it) will impact the views of both Ukrainians and russians, even ziggerussians on it
>>521532703Then maybe they shouldn't have bombed South Ossentians
>>521532684and when did anyone claim everything originated in Moscow?
>>521532754Yeah, as always for pidors it's everyone else's fault.
>>521532518You never stopped being peasants, cabbage faggot.
>>521532741That's because Finns were pagan for most of medieval history, and so it was acceptable to do so.
>>521531340Consumed. Calm your tits with the coffee man you'll be shitting laser beams.
>>521532557>In a different timeline there's Norgorod republic instead of "russian pederation"No, that wouldn't have happened. It was a trading republic that wanted to expand its markets and economy. It would have clearly lost to a state that was developing its army and expanding its zone of control and central authority. Novgorod never wanted to take Moscow's place; it was a one-sided game. But Novgorod was based af, yes
>Another final stand in a completely destroyed city that is nearly surrounded Okay how many times do we need to repeat this before Sirsky gets fired?
>>521532774>"Moscow is the cultural origin of all things Slavic, including culture, history, etc."post nr. 521531915 on 4chan's /pol/ board posted on 16th of november anno domini 2025 by user with the ID 3fGD6pvL
>>521530598Pokrovsk status?
Blend ziggers.
>>521532799rich considering the definition of a peasant includes having a landlord (protip banks are landlords too)
>>521532652If we're talking about the Russian regions, yes. Because these are the people who will work and pay taxes. Pay for the army, and the nobility will serve in it themselves. It's absurd to destroy the foundation of one's own economy.
>>521532866Why would he get fired? He does everything right. Every small city becomes a death field for pidors until it's completely destroyed. Then we move on to the next giga-fortress you never heard about before yet.
>>521532827Finns were converted to Christianity in the 12th century, the same century Moscow was founded in. Yet you use this as your excuse for things you continued to do for centuries after?You lie as easy as you breathe. You don't even need to think your lies through, they just come out and it doesn't matter if anyone believes you, just so long as you get to lie.You are evil by nature and rejoice in doing all things that are wrong. You lie because it is wrong to lie. You steal because it is wrong to steal. You invade other countries because it's wrong to invade other countries.I hope you all die.
>>521532881mutt education, don't pay attention to him
>>521532917>bragging about owning equivalent of crack dens
>>521533021sure thing, he's totaly not one of you faggots
>>521532990It would actually be perfect if AFU actually moved out before its 90% encircled and then lose people on the way out. Withdrawal one week earlier wouldnt change anything in the grand scheme of things and men would be preserved
>>521532741I told you that I was talking this only about Russians.If we're talking about a war between Russia and Sweden in non-Russian territories, then it's logical that Russia could have enslaved some people in lands it didn't claim or couldn't truly control. It's possible, but I haven't heard of it. Are you talking about the Russo-Swedish War of the late 16th and mid-17th centuries?
>>521532851I wonder how things would've turned out if mongols didn't fuck everything up. Would moskovy still end up on the top of other principalities?
>>521533041comfy dacha>>521533072no he's a yankee one of us would post something like picrel when asked about origin
>>521533134No, it would definitely be the Chernigov Principality, the second candidate is Smolensk.
>>521531439I could have sworn I heard of profitable flamingo strikes on refineries ~1000km into russia the past two weeks.Perhaps I'm hearing what I wish to hear though. It's such a stupid looking missile I do want it to work. Vatniks deserve their V1 lookalike boogeyman to wind themselves up over. (look look they are resurrecting lost nazifascist technology!! I told you zlonky was the bioengineered clone off of hitlers lost testicle!)
>>521533080Pidors didn't manage to encircle anyone yet. Garrison in Avdiivka moved out when it was unfeasible to defend, same with Vuhledar and Bakhmut. Pretty sure they will move out of Pokrovsk when it will be turned into rubble with nothing to defend.
>>521531915>Moscow is the cultural origin of all things Slavic, including culture, history, etc.That would be Ohrid
>>521532745>cYeah, man. The war isn't about influence, but about Putin's perception of that influence. I thought everyone figured that out by year four. He just wants to see reasons to think he has influence and that he's a tough guy who did something people his age and circles wanted 40 years ago. All those people have been dying for it all this time. If you can give him that feeling of influence, then just do it. That's what diplomacy is supposed to do. Unfortunately, Ukrainian diplomacy, unlike the army, is probably the worst in the history of the planet. Or the war would have ended immediately if they'd simply said, "Yes, Pynia, everything will be as you ask. We won't be in NATO, and we'll even hang up posters in your honor and say a few words in Russian in our parliament, because we're bros again. Your bro can participate in politics again and start a party. But we'll still have our army and control over the state. That's a trivial matter, right? We're even prepared to some cut it, but if suddenly several hundred combines, which look a lot like tanks, were added to our army's roster, you wouldn't be offended, would you?The main thing is that we're bros again, dude."
>>521533662Based realist. It’s a shame Ukraine had to be depopulated to show his true colours
>>521530598TZD
>>521532799>You never stopped being peasants,My father and grandfather stopped farming, but I want to return to my roots. My grandmother, a peasant, is a perfect example for me. She lived alone, lived to be a hundred, ran a farm on half a hectare of land, and built herself a stone house. Peasants are based>cabbage faggot.Shchi is the best thing in world cuisine, yes. I am great fan of sour cabbage. I am very proud of shchi
>>521532998>You lie because it is wrong to lie. You steal because it is wrong to steal. You invade other countries because it's wrong to invade other countries.That is just how the world works.
Ukraine, Russia agree to revive Istanbul talks for swap of 1,200 prisonersUkraine and Russia have agreed to reactivate the "Istanbul mechanism" to facilitate a major exchange of 1,200 prisoners of war, Ukraine’s security chief said on Sunday, signalling a new phase in diplomatic engagements mediated by Turkey and the United Arab Emirates.Rustem Umerov, Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council (NSDC) and head of the negotiation group, announced that technical consultations would begin immediately. The initiative, directed by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, aims to secure the release of captives before the upcoming holiday season."As a result of these negotiations, the parties agreed to activate the Istanbul agreements. We are talking about the release of 1,200 Ukrainians," Umerov said in a statement, adding that the process is moving "without pauses" to ensure returnees are home for Christmas and New Year.While Umerov confirmed the framework agreement, he did not specify a date for the next face-to-face meeting of delegations.The announcement follows signals from Moscow indicating a willingness to re-engage. Alexey Polishchuk, a senior official at the Russian Foreign Ministry, recently affirmed that the Kremlin is prepared to resume talks in Istanbul.Direct diplomatic contact between the two warring nations, which had been frozen since the early months of the conflict in 2022, was quietly re-established in Istanbul on May 16, 2025. Those talks continued through several rounds over the summer, primarily focusing on humanitarian issues, before pausing in August.
>>521533662>Or the war would have ended immediately if you just surrender
Teezeedee Russia is a superpower in the same sense that a tranny is a woman.
>>521533941How many nuclear icebreakers does France have?
SMERTb OKUPANTAM
>>521531043But comradeYou said yourself it is fake Ukrainian flagSo he can not be of UkrainianSo is no need for spacing
Organiser of sanctioned tax protest detained in Siberia ahead of rallyPolice in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk detained a political activist on Saturday, one day before a sanctioned rally he organised to protest planned increases to Russia's recycling fee and value-added tax (VAT).Sergei Krupenko, a co-founder of the Russian Communist Party (Internationalists), was arrested in the entryway of his apartment building, according to his lawyer and party statements. The approved protest was scheduled for Sunday, November 16, in a city park.Authorities reportedly charged Krupenko with organising an unsanctioned public event in connection with a flower-laying ceremony on November 7 to mark the anniversary of the October Revolution. Another rally organiser, Oleg Metsler, was also detained on November 7 and has been summoned to appear before the police on Sunday.Despite the pressure on its organisers, the party stated the sanctioned rally against the tax hikes would proceed as planned. The protest is against government plans to raise VAT from 20% to 22% and increase the unpopular "recycling fee," which broadly affects the cost of vehicles.
>>521533662From 2014-2022 they did exactly this "yes jewtin, everything will be as you ask"Ukraine wasn't going to be in NATO due to the territorial conflict russia started in UkrianeThe kremlin attacked nonethelessYou are trying to attach a kind of rationality in the decision-making for this retarded war that just isn't there in the way you represent itThe bully has to get his face kicked in eventually, it really is that simpleAppeasement politics fails every time it's triedUkraine will either procure Nukes or get into NATO and threaten russia with annihilation as it has threatened UkraineOr they will perish as an independent political entityAnd they know this, so don't act so self-assured
Joke: Total Zigger DeathBespoke: Global Russian Annihilation
>>521530598TzD
>>521533985Damn, I didn’t account for those. I kneel.
>>521533909Just as Putin fights for a sense of influence, you fight not for a sense of defeat. What matters is not the perception, but the reality. If you hang posters in his honor, grant the Russian language some status in a couple of your regional centers (except, perhaps, the capital), allow Putin's bros to form their own parties and conduct party campaigns, and, naturally, renounce your claims to the already annexed and de facto controlled territories, but at the same time preserve the state and the army, and most importantly, your population, demographics, and nation, while they are not yet completely doomed, then that will be a victory. The destruction of your demographics will be a true defeat, after which your nation will simply physically cease to exist. If your nation survives and continues to exist, then you have won by evolutionary logic. That's all that matters.
>>521534028>>521533906>>521532998zero engagement, btw.
>>521534351Why did you reply to me?
>>521534011all of you fuckers need help.Ukrainians are retarded, but they are only half as retarded as ukraine supporters.
>>521534291If we surrender to pidors, we will be sent to the meat grinder next to conquer Poland and Baltics.Just like the poor sods from Donbass were sent into the meat grinder with bolt action rifles.
>>521533909do you even have heating, ukrocoward piece of shit? it's getting cold in your failed state
>>521534388Because I buckbroke him and now he thinks that every Finnish flag is me.
>>521534291>just give up your sovereignty to fight for your sovereigntyThe goal here is no "perceptions" or whatever you claim but the eradication of Ukraine as an independent political entityWhat you proscribe will lead to mafia state infiltration, corruption, tyranny and creeping dictatorship all over againSo yeah, as far as Ukrainians are concerned you're saying "lose to win"If one has a slave mentality that might be considered a win but Ukrainians don't currently have a slave mentalityAnd Ukrainians wish to remain an independent political entity
>>521534388The tranny will start and end all posts with "Sir."You need to learn some respect.
>>521534044She fell out of his control. He tried to use Donbas as leverage against Ukraine. All this time, he wanted Donbas to be part of Ukraine, but at the same time controlled by his people, who would vote in parliament the way he wanted, so he could feel his influence. And the most crucial point wasn't even Donbas, but the pro-Russian Ukrainian party his brother founded. It became the second most popular in the country and was on track to become the first, after which its existence was declared illegal and dispersed. This was the main trigger.Google MedvedchukBelieve me when I say that this is entirely a matter of Putin's sense of his influence in Ukraine, because he's obsessed with the idea of the destructiveness of the rift between these countries after the USSR. This is the sole reason for all this. It's 100% true
>>521534414They were not front-line soldiers but rather worked in supply or maintenance. They do not need top-of-the-line weaponry in that case.
>>521534510Lying like a true pidor.
>>521534467who would ever respect a dog-molesting loser that considers his mother a whore and is 8k+ posts into an incel forum, redrocketz?
>>521534451every finnish flag is ukie-finn. that is correct.there is no point in trying to differentiate between ankle biters. they are all the same.
>>521533985290, provided you think a nuke can break ice
>>521534547ukrainian coward piece of shit
>>521534467I don't know who you're trying to talk to but I recommend you stop thinking about trannies all the time, it can't be healthy for you :D
>>521534596Why are you mad?
>>521534547It doesn't matter. Ukrainian soldiers have to use Western-donated M16A2s. That is even worse.
>>521534414I'm telling you, Putin only wants a sense of influence, not actual, complete control. Look at his bro Lukashenko. Putin's propaganda convinces Russians that the current war is a war for our very existence. And ask yourself, where is his bro Lukashenko and his army in this war, the most important one for Putin? Why aren't Belarusians participating in the bloody assaults on your cities? Hmm? Because Putin doesn't control them. All he wants is to feel like he has influence there. And in that case, Ukraine would have far less Putin influence than Belarus.
>>521534596over here we call them chickenhawks or draft dodgers
>>521534657Lying like a true pidor.
>>521534496No, I don't infact believe you.The goal of this war is to eradicate Ukraine as an independent political entity.Repeating that Ukraine should just give up it's sovereignty to "win" is inane.This war will stop when the kremlin regime is forced to stop it and when the cost of continuing is worse than stopping.Russia is a personalist dictatorship but it is not just substantiated by putins delusions and perceptions.It doesn't exist in a vacuum and will be made to feel this fact.
The only thing that will bring changes in Ziggerland is if Muscovites and Petersburgers are conscripted.
>>521530598>Day 1,362 of the jewish denazification of nazi jews>Russian neo nazi defector who fled to gay west was sentenced to life in prison
>>521532087Cope.Also, projection.
>>521534696>I'm telling youOk.
>>521534751The 1GTA is based in Moscow and has precipitated in the SMO since 2022.
>>521534459>The goal here is no "perceptions" or whatever you claim but the eradication of Ukraine asNo. It's a feeling that Ukraine is dependent on him. But not a real dependence. God, he just wants to smooth over the effects of the USSR's collapse, to feel like he's somehow connecting these lands again. He wants to feel it, not actually know it. Belarus is independent, but Putin is happy with it. It was a similar story with the USSR and Finland after World War II. The Soviets simply wanted to feel that Finland was theirs, and Finland gave them that feeling. That was enough. And where is Finland now? They're doing just fine. They didn't destroy their entire demographics just so the shitty dictators next door wouldn't feel like they had influence in their country.
I wish this war would end. It’s lost all meaning a long time ago.
if only you knew how schizo things are
>>521534765 heating status?
>>521534738As long as the war continues, Ukraine is losing its demographics and its chances of truly continuing to exist. As a people, as individuals, as a physical population that won't be so small that it can be completely replaced by migrants in a couple of years. Putin has trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of people under his command; he will never have a shortage of money or people. Any blows to the economy will simply raise taxes. The population will never rebel, as it is completely disorganized, atomized, controlled, and intimidated by the authorities.And all this is being done only for the sake of a sense of influence in a neighboring country.
>>521535007TZD has some ways to go
>>521535088Why are you mad?
Joint Forces Group: Russian soldiers in >Kupyansk have been ordered to simulate control over the city by waving Russian flags wherever their small groups are present. >The occupiers have begun to insert flags into supply packages, which are being dropped using drones.FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT LMAO
>>521535124do you even have running water?
>>521535100>puccia is so strong, we have endless meatwaves, just surrenderNo.
Why all this bullshit flag waving? Both Ukrainians and Russians do it and for what? Like PR victories don't matter on the battlefield anyway. Especially when you know you won't hold this land for long, which makes it even more demoralizing. Also it endangers everyone involved. Just plain stupid.
pidorashkas bombed belgorod again
>>521535290Why are you mad?
>>521534765>webmPutin's a liar, yes. Everyone's always known it. And everyone's always known he's fucking obsessed with Ukraine and Ukraine and Russia being allies and connected, not torn apart. He's been talking about it nonstop for 20 years, ever since he became president. Just give it to this guy, put up a big poster with the words "Thank you, Putin" in the center of your capital, let his brother start a party, and he'll back off. Maybe. A great price to pay for your people not being physically demographically destroyed as a population.But I understand that nothing depends on you, just as nothing depends on us. I don't know why I'm writing this. I haven't been here for a long time, and for some reason I felt like saying all this. None of my words matter, of course, and they won't change anything.
>>521535344maybe its not flag waving but signaling drones for supply drops
>>521535200Nonsense, Kupyansk was taken in October, this based and red-pilled trvke dropper told me so.
>>521535389I'm not sure that's how it's done.
>>521535381>he's fucking obsessed with Ukraine and Ukraine and Russia being allies and connectedAfter this war with so much death and destruction they will never be connected again.
>>521535299>NoЗpя
>>521535299>meatwaveswhy are you projecting? what was the 2023 ukrainian counteroffensive? the krynky offensive? the kursk offensive? just ukrainians sending meatwavesmeanwhile russia conducts flanking operations and encircles you useless nato lapdogs
>>521535520Why are you mad?
>>521535520>just ukrainians sending meatwaves>meanwhile russia conducts flanking operations and encircles you useless nato lapdogscan I see it?
>>521531758and now neither the tsardom or USSR exists anymore and Poland is better than everthe historical lesson is there for those who can see
>>521535567hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid to ukraine and it still cant defeat russiayou deserve to be russia's bitch
Half of /uhg/ posts feel AI-generated, or at the very least written by brown hands.Threads from months ago are virtually identical to those created today.
>>521535733Why are you mad?
>>521535494I'm not talking about myself, although I certainly didn't want this breakup either, which, unfortunately, has already happened. As a child, I lived in Kharkiv in summer with my grandparents; my mother was born and raised there; her parents were immigrants from the Belgorod region. I'm talking about the feeling that drives Putin and that part of the elite who share these convictions not out of fear, but sincerely. And about the feeling that needs to be given to him. Just as Finland gave this to the Soviet Union, although in fact, they were already terribly torn apart by the Winter War, and this rift remains to this day.For me, the only thing that matters is that Ukraine physically survives as a Slavic population. Who will influence whom is a question for the authorities, not ordinary people.
>>521534917putin won't get to dictate UkraineIt's that simpleUkrainians have had enough of that botox monkeyYou may endlessly submit to him but this isn't how Ukrainians thinkThey do not have this slave mentalityThe fact you try to drag the soviet empires war against Finland into this same wishy-washy "feel they have control" is a dead giveaway you don't know shitThe soviet empire made a pact with the nazis to split up direct control over areas of Europe and draw up occupation territory lines before 1939Then as now this is about direct controlThere is no substantive difference between "xaxa yuo are of independent but kremliniggers are basically still in charge" and "xaxaxa yuo of lose"The goal of this war is to erdicate Ukraine as a political entity, not this "perception" sophistry you put forthAnd especially after all the misery the kremlin regime put Georgia, Poland, Belarus and other places through historically and contemporaneously Ukrainians just wont be having it
>>521535789>And about the feeling that needs to be given to him.Don't really care about Shelomov's feelings, sorry. He destroyed the bond he wanted so hard with no way of turning it back now.
>>521535716I'll have to agree. But all those uprisings were crushed and never had a chance. It was a stupid idea anyway. They had no positive effect on anything.
I hate ukraine
>>521535791>putin won't get to dictate Ukraineexcept the parts under their constitution
>>521535768>Why are you mad?People arent even mad yet.Endless treasures belonging to the white man has been funneled into ukraine by traitors.When ukriane is inevitably abandoned by the west, and ukraine retaliates by sending their ghetto drones into europe, then people will be angry.
>>521535949Moscow regimealways hatedI don't read your posts, mearshy
>>521535768why hasnt ukraine won a single battle since 2022? why was ukraine only able to advance like 5 km in the 2023 counteroffensive despite being supported by the entire west?
>>521535946You shouldnt hate ukraine. They are worthy of such attention.You should simply demand the world return to a point when everyone pretended ukraine never existed.
>>521535949Mearshlomo, can you at least once in your life stop writing like a faggot?
>>521535979>I don't read your posts, mearshywe both know this isnt true.
>>521536002Why are you mad?
>>521535892>Don't really care about Shelomov's feelings, sorry.No one cares about it. But people are dying because of his feelings, It's all because of it. And all of this could lead to an irreversible demographic catastrophe that will physically destroy your population, leaving it without enough young men to physically reproduce. That's all I care about. The rulers will die, the wounds will be forgotten, but the peoples must endure.
Why so salty and uncomfortable?
>>521536066>And all of this could lead to an irreversible demographic catastrophe that will physically destroy your population, leaving it without enough young men to physically reproduce.It will be destroyed even faster if Ukraine surrenders. It will be used in the same way as population of Donetsk and Luhansk.
>>521535948They don't even control all of those, and at this rate never will
>>521536002because advancing makes you lose much more troops
>>521536037imagine conducting an offensive military operation that is supported by the entire western world and still only advancing 5 km
>>521535948Has the occupation of Afghanistan taught you nothing, you pig-brained retard?Color revolutions don't work and only through annihilation and power will "control" ever be long-term if it isn't also first organic in how it arises.And this is exactly what Ukrainians know too and this is exactly why they fight so determinedly.
>>521536141Not Russians.Pokrovsk is surrounded, its defenders are running out of supply, and any retreat paths are in effective artillery range.
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>>521536006I saw some fat dyke with a ukraine flag at a KFC the other day. It was gross as fuck. I am starting to really hate these pro-ukraine fags irl.
>>521536218Why are you mad?
>>521535907oh no, they created a culture of never fucking settling for anything with Russia that immensely paid off
>>521536236there is little point in hating ukriane.there is every reason under the sun to hate ukraine supporters.The traitor is always twice as bad as the enemy.
>>521536227Calm down Mr. Martyanov.
>>521536222>Has the occupation of Afghanistan taught you nothing, you pig-brained retard?15 posts by this chang with vpnchang is 24/7 on /pol/ baking and posting divisive shit.
>>521530810Saar, always remember to be doubling the space lines saar! SAAAAR!!??
>>521535907russia is a shitholePoland is notresisting russia has a positive effect for Poland in the long rundeath to russkiy mir
>>521536249remember, once a commie always a commie
>>521536464Why are you mad?
>>521531340Back on the wagon160mg a dayHad a bang to move some one yesterday
>>521536343Its always fat ugly liberal reddit-tier people that support ukraine. I am borderline just gonna buy a Russian flag just to piss them off. These niggers a getting bad in the north east.
Finland deports Wagner mercenary and Kremlin critic back to RussiaFinnish authorities have deported a former Wagner mercenary with a lengthy criminal record back to Russia after his asylum application was rejected, officials have confirmed.The man, identified as Zhaslan Mustakhanov, also known as Yevgeny Shpartun, was handed over to Russian authorities at the Niirala border crossing in North Karelia on Friday. Mustakhanov, who used the call sign "Kanello," illegally crossed into Finland near the town of Kitee in the summer of 2025 and applied for political asylum."The Finnish Migration Service found no grounds for granting asylum," said Mikko Kallinen, deputy chief of the local border guard service.Mustakhanov, a native of Omsk, has at least seven prior convictions in Russia for crimes including theft and robbery. He joined Russian forces in 2022 and fought in high-profile battles, including for the city of Bakhmut.After fighting with the 433rd Motorised Rifle Regiment in Ukraine's Donetsk region, he disappeared from the front in late 2024. He resurfaced in February 2025 with a video sharply criticising Russia's military leadership.On June 30, by which time he was already in Finnish custody, he released a more scathing video accusing his commanders of "treason" and leaving soldiers to "rot in the fields."
Moooom, the two fake american shills started talking to each other again!
Major internet outage hits four central Russian regions after cable damageA major outage of fixed-line internet and television services from state-controlled provider Rostelecom affected four regions in central Russia on Saturday, with the company blaming damage to a backbone fibre-optic cable.The service disruption, which began on the afternoon of November 15, impacted customers in the Yaroslavl, Ivanovo, Kostroma, and Vladimir regions. In a statement, Rostelecom attributed the failure to an "accident caused by the fault of third parties" that damaged a main cable line in the Yaroslavl region.The company's press service announced that repair work was underway and that service would be restored by the end of the day. Indeed, some customers began reporting that their connections were back online late Saturday evening. By Sunday, the company confirmed that the damage had been fully repaired.The outage was particularly acute in the Vladimir region, where mobile internet services have already been restricted since August, making residents more dependent on wired connections. The disruption also notably interrupted the broadcast of a Kontinental Hockey League (KHL) game in Yaroslavl between the local Lokomotiv team and Barys from Astana.
>>521536182They are being used against Ukraine and they are annexed, not just vassal, like Ukraine he wants. This isn't about annexation and actual control, as Putin did at the start of the war. It's about establishing control, as with Belarus, only in an even more lenient form. Apparently, he's even agreed not to deploy military bases so far.You have a living example of what he wants right before your eyes. This is Belarus. Their leader says he's Putin's bro, but in reality, he's an independent ruler and doesn't do everything Putin would want from the authorities he completely controls (like, for example, the regional authorities in Russia). Belarusians aren't involved in the meatwaves. Their leader simply says he's Putin's bro, and that's enough.There are only three truly important things you shouldn't concede, but Putin has already agreed to them.Preserving the army is the most important thing. Maintaining formal independence. And preserving the privileged status of the Ukrainian language. You only need to grant regional status to the Russian language in a few cities for Putin to decide his conditions are met, but, for example, not grant it in the capital to preserve the privileged status of Ukrainian.
>>521536464No but really, why are you so mad?
>>521536497you can post war footage but you cant show any progress on the map, loser
>>521536777You can cope all you want, but you can't show your flag, jew
>>521536707>You have a living example of what he wants right before your eyes.I have a living example of Shelomov lying all the time, pidor shills saying how Poland and Baltics are next, and the fate of other Ukrainians under pidor occupation to see what he really wants.
US Demands Full Russian Divestment from Serbia's NIS to Lift SanctionsThe United States has demanded the complete withdrawal of Russian shareholders from Serbia's largest oil and gas company, Naftna Industrija Srbije (NIS), as a condition for lifting sanctions, according to Serbian Energy Minister Dubravka Djedovic-Handanovich. The ultimatum puts Belgrade in a difficult position as it seeks to ensure the country's energy security."The US administration has for the first time clearly and unequivocally stated—and put in writing—that it wants a complete change in the ownership held by Russian shareholders," Djedovic-Handanovich told reporters. She added that Washington rejected proposals for a simple change in management and had given Belgrade until February 13, 2026, to negotiate the ownership transfer, but did not authorise NIS to continue operations in the interim.US sanctions against NIS, which is majority-owned by Russian energy giants Gazprom Neft and Gazprom, formally took effect on October 9 after several delays. Gazprom Neft holds a 44.85% stake in the company, while its parent, Gazprom, holds 11.3%. The Serbian state owns 29.87%.The Serbian government is now facing "extremely difficult decisions," including a potential state takeover of the company, a move President Aleksandar Vučić has previously opposed. The minister expressed hope that "Russian friends will understand the gravity of the situation" and cooperate on a solution.Russian stakeholders have reportedly expressed readiness to transfer control of the company to a third party to resolve the impasse. NIS is a key economic asset, operating Serbia's main oil refinery in Pančevo and a network of over 400 fuel stations in the region.
>>521536777The progress is piles and piles of dead ziggers
>>521536283Um, no? Poland has these borders solely because it was a vassal of the USSR. These are the borders the USSR granted it, along with a measure of economic and political independence, in exchange for complete loyalty, which allowed you to peacefully live through the second half of the twentieth century, gaining vast territories and preserving your population, leading to everything good you have today.If there had been no one in Poland who would have agreed to such conditions and started an irreconcilable partisan war with the USSR in 1944, you would have been completely destroyed.I love Poland very much and I am very glad that everything didn’t turn out that way.
>>521536735I remember when it hit a million. GSUA numbers are probably a bit inflated, but I expect that the real number hit 1 million around now.
>>521536825Western flags and even fake flags command more respect.
what even is this phenotype, eldritch horror??
>>521536930>>521536699>>521536600zero engagement, btw.
>>521536987Hello, John Texas from Jewish Washington autonomous territory. Here to fill your quota? Will you fuck off after cca 25 posts like you always do?
>>521537018He's using camo paint. White skin reflects light. Racist Ukrainian soldiers do not use camo paint and that is one of the many reasons they are losing.
>>521536934so why is it ukraine that is having a manpower shortage and not russia?
>>521536960I concur, Danebro
>>521537037I don't think he wants to marry anyone here
Ukraine pizdets general
>>521537117Nice. I just made another donation for 3 shells.
>>521537106No actually its a nigger, you lying disingenuous nigger
>>521537213(image is inaccurate, he should be smiling)
>>521537114If that was true why did putin beg the norks for manpower?
>>521536699>Interruptions with wired Internet began in Russia>Residents of more than 10 regions of Russia complained about non-working wired Internet from Rostelecom. The problems began on November 15, as follows from data from Downdetector, Sboy.rf and VKontakte. The Internet disappeared in the Vladimir, Ivanovo, Kostroma and Yaroslavl regions.>The company clarified that the accident occurred “due to the fault of third parties.”In addition, the Internet disappeared in the Murmansk region, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug and partly in Krasnodar Territory.>At night and in the morning of November 16, users in Mari El, Udmurtia, Amur, Belgorod, Kursk, Nizhny Novgorod, Pskov, Samara and Chelyabinsk regions also complained about problems with the Internet from Rostelecom.>The nature of the failure indicates that it was not just a cable break, writes Digital Report. “Such selectivity of access – with the preservation of the “white list” – is one of the scenarios provided for by the law on the “sovereign Runet”. It is unclear whether the outage was the result of a failed exercise to “isolate” the network. a centralized team for filtering or a large-scale breakdown of TSPU equipment,”.>Wired Internet failures began after Russian President Vladimir Putin held an operational meeting with members of the Security Council about “countering offenses, which are carried out using information and communication technologies.” The Kremlin did not provide details of this meeting. The speaker was the Minister of Internal Affairs Vladimir Kolokoltsev.>Shortly before this, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin signed a decree on “rules for the centralized management of the public communications network.” As a result, Roskomnadzor received the right to disconnect Runet from the world Internet and block sites if “threats to the stability, security and integrity” in the country arise.The response regulations will be coordinated with the Ministry of Digital Development and the FSB.
>>521536548Makes sense that you're motivated by antisocialityShills - delusionals and antisocialsThose are the three cardinal groups of subhumans that support the kremlinAll for entirely farcical reasonsHere's to them keying your car, you antisocial subhuman
>>521536875I understand this perfectly. On the one hand, you can believe in the good, that the war will end and give the people a chance to survive. On the other, you can disbelieve it, thinking that Putin will take total control of Ukraine and kill its population in a new war with NATO. And fight with him endlessly for it, destroying the remaining demographics. I don't know how it will turn out. But I see no point in disbelieving in the good and dying, though there's a chance of survival.I mean, there's no risk here. Either you believe Putin will back off and you will survive, or you continue the war. None of their demands, even the most maximalist ones (which, naturally, need to be lowered during negotiations and they're willing to make numerical concessions), mention complete capitulation and annexation.
>>521537213Based donator, I hope one of those shells turns a pidor into charred paste
>>521537290are you calling the financial times liars?
>>521537361I like to hope that my donations have rid the earth of at least a bit of evil. Preferably in a just (agonizing) way
>>521537343>I mean, there's no risk here. Either you believe Putin will back off and you will survive, or you continue the war. None of their demands, even the most maximalist ones (which, naturally, need to be lowered during negotiations and they're willing to make numerical concessions), mention complete capitulation and annexation.I said it poorly. I mean, you can believe in peace and survive. If Putin doesn't honor the peace terms, the war will simply continue as it is. If you believe in peace, you'll survive and get everything. If you don't believe in peace, you'll die and lose everything. I don't understand why anyone would choose the latter option.I understand national pride, the desire of the authorities to retain complete control over their state, etc. But all this is irrelevant in the face of the death of the people.
>>521537343Never assume someone will have mercy. You'll live longer.
>>521537361>>521537473It's going towards a firefighter's salary more likely or even a school teacher's.
>>521537473at the very least, those shells are holding back a horde of asiatic subhumans. Of course, TZD is always preferable and beneficial!
>>521537442Financial times means liar in latin
>>521537663fuck off retard, you are a lying liar with 0 credibility
>>521537611Quite the opposite. All human life, all human history, is about faith in each other and in each other's compassion. You go out into the street because you believe in the compassion of the people around you, who won't shoot or stab you without a reason. Otherwise we would all live in the forest as hermits.
>>521536952>which allowed you to peacefully live through the second half of the twentieth centuryNow let's talk about how Russia helped "shape" the borders of Poland during the FIRST half of the 20th century? Does September 17th 1939 ring a bell?
>>521537595shitraine will fight until it collapses because old hags victoria nuland, ursula von der leyen and kaja kallas told them toukrainian men are pathetic lapdogs to women
>>521537776Of course, but it didn't change anything. Germany conquered most of Poland, then Soviet troops entered Poland. The Polish command ordered its soldiers to surrender and not resist the Soviet command. It's a terrible shame that, in response to this, the criminal Stalin executed Polish prisoners of war before Germany's attack on the USSR. That was a grave crime. Nevertheless, the Polish authorities forgot this too and became vassals of the Soviet Union, and now everything is fine with them. I don't understand why you mentioned this.
>>521536952>in exchange for complete loyalty, which allowed you to peacefully live through the second half of the twentieth century, gaining vast territories and preserving your population, leading to everything good you have today.the level of delusion on the zigger side just has to be studied in a lab someday
>>521537987I wouldn't overestimate the influence of European bureaucrats. I thought the whole point was that Zelensky and his entourage were, unfortunately, as stupid as Putin. And Ukrainian diplomacy is the worst in history. Never underestimate the importance of diplomacy and the importance of intelligence of a ruler elite
>>521531290Built for Himmel chosen sword.
>>521537767do you lock your front door? Your car?
>>521537995He mentions this because your "surrender to the demands of the enemy who wants to annihilate you and you win" shtick that you've been vomiting forth here the past hour.Just fuck off, your sophistry is inane.
>>521538106I honestly don't understand why I'm wrong in your opinion. Your borders were formed by the Soviet authorities during the Soviet period. You lived peacefully through the second half of the twentieth century. You enjoyed economic and social privileges compared to the people of the USSR.
>>521535200Pink.impala is losing his entire paycheck, isnt he?
>>521537663Most likely not. Nothing indicated this guy is a fraud, he posts reliable updated for his collections, and works directly with many different units on the front. That being said, the "worst case" scenario of paying a Ukrainian school teachers salary is not even that bad. I have plenty of money, and they are unfairly suffering because of Russian aggression. But again, I'm convinced the money does good in the form of TZD.
>>521538220>do you lock your front door?No. I don't have one, but I would lock it, of course. Trust but check, as we say in Russia.
>>521532277More like he happened to be in charge when FDR bankrolled USSR because there is nothing a socialist loves more than seeing socialists killing each other.
>>521538246So, I mean, Poland surrendered and won. We just discussed this with a Pole here. Poland is doing well now, even though it surrendered to the Soviet authorities. They were far more cruel than Putin. Stalin personally gave the criminal order to execute Polish soldiers.
>>521538272of course, and probably rope himself once he realizes he is not only broke, but brown and stupid
>>521538431They are doing well in spite and not because of itThe best outcome is to defeat the enemy which is in the cards for Ukraine
>>521538258the social and economic privileges of buying food through ration stamps, if it even was in stores, economy that produced farming and industrial equipment for no one while you waited 20 years for the shittiest car in history, country scale political repression with the "authorities" (kurwa ich mac) employing their own violent apes to avoid visits from zigger violent apes like in Czechoslovakia and employing family members to spy on each other, often through blackmailthankfully the spirit of "fuck russki mir" persisted and hastened the collapse of that shithole
>>521538106>the level of delusion on the zigger side just has to be studied in a lab somedayano prawda. dodam też że jeśli takiego delikwenta zapytasz o uzasadnienie swojej pozycji zacznie się zachowywać jak bambus i przytaczać jakieś oderwane od tematu głupoty
>>521538298>he thinks his money will be spent on equipment that will be sent to pokrovsk, which is encircled
>>521538714>which is encircledNot even puccian milbloggers believe this kek
>>521538606>which is in the cards for Ukrainejust lol >>521535733
>>521537595What if Putin is removed from the equation? By "natural", deniable means?
>>521538606No, if they had resisted, they would all have been destroyed. They decided not to resist and to become vassals, and that's why they're doing well now. Precisely because people were found who agreed to negotiate with Stalin and become his vassals as Poland's ruling elite. In return, Poland received many territories it had no chance of previously gaining because they were 100% German, whose German populations were forcibly deported under conditions bordering on genocidal. It's a shame Hitler didn't make peace sooner; in fact, I didn't want Germany to lose these lands.
>>521538810>what is defense in depthRemind me - what happened when Napoleon pushed towards moscow?
>>521538714No, the money is spent on equipment for units holding the Kharkiv front.
>>521538325>Trust but checkSo, assume Russians won't slaughter you, but don't rely on it
>>521538809They live in their own universe. You should have seen the meltdown on polymarket. A lot of seething about ISW being biased etc.
>>521538965>implying ukraine has as a strong fortifications in the rest of the country as it has in donbas>implying russia is the one getting weaker as the war goes on although it's ukraine having a manpower crisis, not russia
>>521538852Poland is doing well now because the soviet empire collapsedHad it somehow not collapsed Poland would have been further immisserated as resources all get transferred and stolen to the imperial coreYou speak of causality but in the end this outcome is incidentalCogent resistance always ends up winning in the long run if it can be sustainedIt was sustained with Poland because they had their identity and kept it going in spite of the soviet empires best efforts to eradicate itIt took 40 years as wellThe fact that the soviet empire gave these territories to Poland was a ploy to further their hold on power through Poland.That too was incidental and wasn't a result of Polish capitulation but soviet imperialism.Push really does come to shove eventually and just like the soviet empire the second cancer that arose from it insists on pushing and pushing as well.The only answer is to push back because demands will only ever increase as shown by hitler and stalin when they were not pushed back.
>>521539121thats a LOT of hopium and copium from pinky LMAO
>>521538431>>521538852There was no surrender to the soviet at all, there was an exile or murder of all elites who could possibly resist, and a replacement of those with polish communists.
TzD
>>521539289more like 160 years or so, they tried very hard but like most Russian long term plans it ended in failure
>>521538672The USSR was shit and I'm glad it's gone.I meant in comparison to the Russian population. Life for Russian peasants at that time was very hard, and there was much more government pressure and repressive laws. I'm glad you didn't have that.>thankfully the spirit of "fuck russki mir" persisted and hastened the collapse of that shitholeThanks, truly. But this does not in any way cancel out all my earlier words.While the Soviet authorities were strong and ruthless, you obeyed. When they became weak, you stopped. That was reasonable. What wasn't reasonable was to stop obeying the Russian Empire at the height of its power, despite enjoying a privileged position and extensive autonomy. A grave and completely unnecessary mistake. Although I understand that this is probably now something of a national myth.
>>521539285russia is losing faster than Ukraine, actuallyif you think they don't also have a manpower issue you are delusional and/or ignorant
>>521537343Let me tell you a secret, retard. Russia will never get Kherson.
>>521539339He lost all his hard earned money btw
>>521538822Expand your thoughts further
>>521539381Yeah, I think atm it's a matter of "it's gonna be worse if we don't resist than if we resist" for Ukraine
>42 posts of "please surrender"I see.
>>521539121It was glorious how "November 31" went from >80% to around 30%, they're not even sure about December 31 and if puccia somehow doesn't take it by then I'm confident they're doing full mobilization
>>521539473November 30*
>>521539411>russia is losing faster than Ukraine, actually
baking
>>521539467"The refinery dronings will continue until morale improves"
>>521539441ironic, him bleating about retards. Whats that about fools and their money again KEK
>>521539368Yes, this is capitulation. The Polish communists accepted the demands, and those in the government and elite who did not accept them were replaced.
>>521539289That graph extended to the rest of 2025 would be priceless. I want to see the crimson bar shrink.
>>521539589>>521539589>>521539589>>521539589NEW
>>521539537>has no offensive capability on the battlefield so resort to carrying out offensive on civilian infrastructure>this is winning
>>521539519Go bet your life savings on polymarket if you're so sure of the outcome, petukh.
>>521539607but enough about Russia
>>521539413I'm against the war and don't want Russia to seize Kherson. However, Russia has far more people and money than Ukraine.
>>521539607>resort to carrying out offensive on civilian infrastructureDidn't you gloat about electricity and heating? lmao
>>521539558>we murder people who don't agree with brooming so in the end we can say everyone agreed with getting broomedit's always good to get a reminder of how Russians view politics (and just power dynamics in general), it's a necessary reality check if someone doubts TZD even for a bit
>>521539473These graphs really are quiet telling.
>>521539662You are at a standstill against Ukraine with just 0.8% of western yearly GDP over 4 years. You are in recession and demographic collapse.What happens when the western world raises a second finger?
>>521539741Mir surov
