why did germany not use strategic bombers? Are they retards?
>>521632221They couldn't figure out 4 engine bombersThey should have invested in another wunderweapon to conquer britain
>>521632221> Lost 2 world wars in a row and never won any other war ever since (1918-2025) > Still love their leader (Hitler) who decided to start the war and killed himself before its conclusion > There are more images of Hitler sitting around aurafarming with his dog than there are records of strategies and wartime tactics What do you think?
>>521632221having more than two propellors on a wing isnt aryan or something so they tried to shove two engines in one and it blew up
>>521632221Hitler put Goering in charge of the Luftwaffe and he ran it into the ground. He was opposed to strategic bombing in favor of dive bombingTo be fair wartime Germany didn't really have the industrial capacity to sustain mass bombing raids with a 2% accuracy rate and heavy aircraft losses
>>521632221They were too busy trying to defend the territory they had already taken to worry about long range bombing. They had one plane that could do it, the Heinkel, but IIRC it was too busy bombing the Russians to go after anyone else. They used it on Britain at one point. They also had a design program to come up with one that could attack America, but it came way too late in the war. That was how you could describe most shit Germany had going, it all came too late in the war. They simply pissed off too many people too quickly before they could build shit like that in large numbers
>>521632221they did a pretty good lot of bombing of the UK for a while. who else did they really want to bomb?
>>521632858>They simply pissed off too many people too quickly before they could build shit like that in large numbersmakes sense. too much too soon
>>521632826>Hitler put Goering in charge of the Luftwaffe and he ran it into the ground.raeder blames him for missing a naval invasion of britain. it's probably true.
>>521632906St Petersburg for one. Would have saved a lot of German lives.
>>521632221For all the successes of the NSDAP and extreme levels of redpill and insight on how the world actually worked like, they missed out the final part of the puzzle - the fact that America would've gone for Greenland/Iceland as invasion stepping stones into Europe itself. A terminal mistake that is happening once again right now, to about the same myopic outcome by a bunch of delusional niggers who cannot come to terms with the idea that America might attack us soon.And by the time they figured it out back then in the last iteration, it was already too late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikabomber
>>521632221Strategic bombing isn't worth the money. It's something you do if you have infinite money to throw at a problem.
Ernst"Putzi"Hanfstaengl,aHarvardgraduate,was with AdolfHitlerfor 14 years afterattendingaNazirallyinMunich.Putzi taught Hitler the roman salute, and the Harvard pep rally cheer which became the Nazi rally pep cheer.Hitler was meant to lose the war.
>>521633233did they need more than what they sent against Blighty?
>>521632826And Goering put the hardest-boozing, hardest-fucking, playboy stunt pilot in charge of specifying aircraft requirements. So that's how you end with "Every bomber needs to be able to endure insane forces and speeds during a dive."
>>521632858the plane you're talking about had this problem where it'd just combust midair this is without being shot at
>>521632221The Luftwaffe was setup to support ground operations, not strategic bombing.
>>521634055heres your wunderwaffe bro
they had some autist guy in charge who favored short range tactical bombers over war winning terror bombers
>>521632221>why did germany not use strategic bombers? Are they retards?Herman Goering was a faggot that cut corners whenever possible because he was a lazy fat slob. In a private conversation he said something to the effect of "the fuhrer may ask me how many bombers we have, but he will never ask about the quality of them, so its good enough to have a lot of shitty ones". Nah that's not the exact quote, but he said something to that effect.This ended up being a problem when Germany did not have bombers with enough range to hit the USSR's industries in the Urals, or American cities like they would have liked to. Hitler did launch programs to create these long range bombers, but the war ended before they were built.Goering being the lazy fat ass that he was fucked things up for Germany, because he should have had these things in the works and ready before it became an issue.After the war and while waiting for the Nuremberg trials, Goering lost a bunch of weight, and his IQ shot up. If only Germany had had this smarter thinner Goering during the war years instead of the fat lazy NEET bum they did have.
>>521632474Hitler didn't kill himself. Have you seen his corpse? I haven't.
>>521632221They were more invested in the "Blitzkrieg" strategy. They built up armored units and mechanized infantry mostly. Everything else was secondary, used as supporting roles for the mechanized and armored units.
>>521632826>He was opposed to strategic bombing in favor of dive bombingDive bombers are light aircraft for close air support of troops on the battlefield. Germany did also have medium-range Tactical bombers which had the ability to drop bombs on Britain, and they did. They just did not have strategic bombers at all.
>>521632221Yes. They were retarded. Full of hatred and bigotry. This was on full display when they decided to double cross Stalin and got the Napoleon treatment. Maybe if they weren't so preoccupied with slaughtering 6 million Gypsies at the same time, bombers could've been produced and things could've played out differently.
>>521632221Why are Koreans not breeding? Do they want to go extinct?
>>521634644if germs weren't actually retarded, they would extend the war to late 1945 and they would get nuked. that would be hilarious.
>>521632474>Still love their leaderMany Germans you encounter on /pol/ may love Hitler, but I don't think most Germans in general do. Especially the new brown ones. And yes, Hitler lost. He surrounded himself with incompetent hacks like Goering while he himself was also an incompetent hack. And fired or replaced (or in the case of Rommel, killed) the people he had who actually were competent.
>>521632421>>521632474>>521632809>>521632826>>521632858>>521632906>>521632966>>521633197>>521633233>>521633342the simple answer is that we werent killing random civilians hundred of miles beyong the frontlines like the british were doingthe british did this strategy because that is all they were capeable off
>>521634791literally noone gives a fuck what you think, you brown monkeys
>>521634822no its more if you could kill random civillians hundred of miles beyond the frontlines you would but we were just better at building big planes than you
>>521634769i'm hungarian.
>>521634822>the simple answer is that we werent killing random civilians hundred of miles beyong the frontlinesthey really were though.
>>521634822poor germ. his country couldn't conduct full terrorism campaign like the the british did.By the way, i hope your country gets nuked this time. you fully deserved to get nuked.
>>521632221I hate you. Waste of a thread.Stick with StarCraft.
>>521634956how so, without strategic bombersthe entire war is a fuckign liethe only ones killing civilians on purpuse were the allies
>>521634998nooen cares you brown monkey
>>521634822>we werent killing random civilians hundred of miles beyong the frontlinesBut you wanted to. The V1 and V2 programs were completely all about that.
>>521634791Akshually our new Germans love our babo even more than bio Germans
>>521634931Then eat a dog you filthy chink.
Because Germany wasn't the aggressor they were defending themselves from international jews
>>521635103yeah, in self defense years after the british did nothign else
>>521635049>>521635102lmao, did they burn your grandma in dresden?
>>521632858The germans had a multitude of "capable" long range bombers, it just was never a strategy that they invested much into.>pic related, six-engined long range plane with a 9500 kg bombload (they never produced more than 2 prototypes)
>>521634822Don't get mad because we were better than you at blitzing cities than you were, Hans.
>>521634788That's an interesting point I have never thought about before. We definitely would've had to drop some Big Boys on them since they weren't gonna allow Based General Patton to finish the job himself.
>>521635049you are literally the pioneers of terror bombing as a concept as far back as ww1 with airshipi understand it's hard the apprentice become the master but this is insane
>>521635240I'm not esl my hands are just cold
>>521635049how far behind the lines were the british cities bomb during the blitz? some of them were quite far.
>>521635286im sure your heart is warm though, and that your love for King and Country keeps the rest of you ablaze in the coldest of nights
The Germans were retarded, they couldn't build battleships or strategic bombers for shit.
>>521635335They were using airbases they captured in France mainly so not really
>>521634822My favorite cope. Never mind that the LSK WW1 were bombing cities the instant they had planes/airships that could, or that the Condor Legion was making regular practice of it in Spain, or that the Invasion of Poland and other nations opened with bombing cities and then the escape routes to create havoc.
>>521635171How do you have a self defense terror weapon?
>>521632221from first day Germany marched Poland to save them from jewish slavery United Kikes started to bomb civilianskilling civilians wasn't what Nazis wanted
>>521632221even most ww2 buffs have no idea how pathetically low germonys resources were. german production of aviation fuel peaked at a little more than 5000 tons a day. for everything - training, transport, liason, combat aircraft. one b-17 had a fuel load of 5 tons. do the math.
>>521634822lollmao even
>>521635616Skill issue.
>>521635392No this place is a hellhole full of spastics. I actually wish the Germans had better bombers because it'd improve things.It's just funny when the whole might means right technical superiority shit falls apart with as much of a cursory reading of what happened. If America Britain or Russia were in Germanies position you'd see batshit wunderwaffe rushed into production too. We were developing early air to air rockets because of things like the blitz but it all stopped for obvious reasons.
>>521635545>killing civilians wasn't what Nazis wantedNope. Genocide and killing innocent people in millions are the national sport of Germany.
>>521635470even if they all used an airfield in Calais, France, its still nearly 300 miles to Liverpool. Sheffield was bombed quite a bit, as were many cities in the north and even Scotland. Just flying across to Plymouth would likely be more than 100 miles.
>>521635811This is with pretty anemic bomb loads compared to later allied heavies. A Lancaster could carry like quadruple what the 111s could
>>521635964i was just countering what the krautanon said.
>>521635147>Because Germany wasn't the aggressor >they were defending themselves from international jewsI guess it says something about FDR and his intentions, because his (((Arsenal of Democracy))) not only did have these strategic heavy bombers which could level entire cities (not to mention the Manhattan project), but these things existed or were already in the works during the time when our country was "isolationist". So it shows clearly what his intentions were years in advance.
>>521635209>Don't get mad because we were better than you at blitzing cities than you were, Hans.And now your own cities are being blitzed by browns.
>>521636314the US needs such long range bombers because its a long way if you want to bomb anyone.
>>521632221that's because the allies kept laptop computers a secret, the nazis could not break it
>>521635209watching your empire falling apart makes me smile.
>>521634822You tried but we were just better at it. You sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.
>>521636853thats a good one coming from an austrian
>>521636853Austro-Hungarian what now?
>>521636607>the US needs such long range bombers because its a long way if you want to bomb anyone.But even the longest range bombers we're talking about here could not have bombed Germany or Japan from the continental U.S. We still needed bases in Britain in the case of Germany, or islands like Iwo Jima in the case of mainland Japan.And it isn't only just the bombers themselves. These things also need fighters to escort them in and out, you know.
>>521635214Google the B-36 peacemaker. It was the aircraft that was going to be used to nuke German cities if America couldn’t use Britain as a jumping off point. That was if the war had gone into 46-48 though.
>>521637065well sure but they still had to get to England in the first place. thats a long way
>>521637065B-36. It just wasn’t ready by the time the war ended. First flight was in ‘46.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36_Peacemaker
>>521635616>even most ww2 buffs have no idea how pathetically low germonys resources were. german production of aviation fuel peaked at a little more than 5000 tons a day. for everything - training, transport, liason, combat aircraft. one b-17 had a fuel load of 5 tons. do the math.This is an excellent point. This is also why it was a big mistake that Operation Barbarossa prioritized taking Moscow (which has no oil) instead of the Caucus region (which does). You of course failed to take Moscow anyway, but it was conceivable in some scenarios you might have won that battle, but even if you had it wouldn't have ended the war and your fuel shortage would have remained. So logically, the Caucus should have been the target in the first place. First take that, then you can mop up Moscow later at your leisure.
>>521632826think about it: the good guy wanted to save as many lives as possible and only hit strategic military goals to avoid collateral damage hence the dive bombing strategy in favor of indiscriminately bombing civilian cities like the british did in Dresden and many other german towns. the anglo-communist alliance killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and bombed pretty much all historical cities into rubble.
>>521632221Do you know what Blitzkrieg was? Why would they bomb everything when they wanted to take it over quickly? The germans would never have gotten that far into eastern europe with strategic bombing.
>>521637065If you're talking the mustang when you say fighters the early mustangs definitley weren't the sort of planes for high altitude strategic bomber escort.
>>521634822>first country literally ever to bomb civilians from the air during ww1 >guernica>dropped bombs on polish civilians literally the first day of the invasion, which was before Britain had even declared warGermoids got what you deserved. Bomber harris' only failing was he stopped before the job was done
>>521635103That was at the end of the war from desperation of trying to get Britain out of the war and trying to somehow manage to still win the war. Initially Hitler didn't want to kill a single soul. He wasn't ruthless and subversive enough, that's the reality with Hitler. He had too much honour.
>>521634055Rus-s stopped being atheist after 3 of such bombers exploded because of bad quality in air. >It must be god. God punished Germans
>>521635545>During the German invasion of Poland, the Luftwaffe engaged in massive air raids against Polish cities,[72] bombing civilian infrastructure[72][73] such as hospitals[71][72] and targeting fleeing refugees.[74][75][76][77] Notably, the Luftwaffe bombed the Polish capital of Warsaw, and the small towns Wieluń and Frampol. The bombing of Wieluń, one of the first military acts of World War II and the first major act of bombing, was carried out on a town that had little to no military value.[78] Similarly, the bombing of Frampol has been described as an experiment to test the German tactics and weapons effectiveness
>>521638057Lol. Lmao
>>521634272>industries in the Urals,They was useless desu. Maybe in long run, like 20 years, sure. But in short 5 years they was useless.
>>521638057Hitler was too nice, that was his downfall.
>>521638162Polish reports from the beginning of September note strafing of civilians by German attacks and bombing of cemeteries and marked hospitals (marking of hospitals proved counterproductive as German aircraft began to specifically target them, until hospitals were moved into the open to avoid such targeting), and indiscriminate attacks on fleeing civilians
>>521638488Forgot to greentext but whatever
>>521638488>The Germans used the threat of bombing Rotterdam, the Netherlands, to try to get the Dutch to come to terms and surrender. After a second ultimatum had been issued by the Germans, it appeared their effort had failed and on 14 May 1940, Luftwaffe bombers were ordered to bomb Rotterdam in an effort to force the capitulation of the besieged city.Let's not forget that the Netherlands were neutral and were only attacked because they happened to be between Hitler and his intended target, and that it was this act that prompted the British to attack German civilian targets which up to then was explicitly forbidden, even ignoring military targets that could have inflicted civilian casualties like ports.
>>521632221They should have built medium tier carriers to support U-boats early and invested in interdiction bombers.Strategic bombing was a meme.They could have used the carriers to support scouting and anti-scout operations and the U-boats to punch up to bigger carriers.If they're cheaper they could have supported Japan in the Pacific in exchange for a Soviet invasion.For the interdiction, they should have fought up the Dniepr, dug in, and harassed supply lines. They could sally out, encircle reds, fall back to the lines, using air scouts and interdiction.Wait until the Japanese can help.
>>521639061Retard
>>521634822No, you guys tried that but btfo by real manly Soviet bvlls on 1-on-1 combat. Fucking pussies, what do you expect from german krautniggers.
>>521639049>"The other night the English had bombed Berlin. So be it. But this is a game at which two can play. When the British Air Force drops 2000 or 3000 or 4000 kg of bombs, then we will drop 150 000, 180 000, 230 000, 300 000, 400 000 kg on a single night. When they declare they will attack our cities in great measure, we will eradicate their cities. The hour will come when one of us will break – and it will not be National Socialist Germany!" - Hitler Funny how the Germans pretend they were never playing this game just because they ended up losing
>>521635209They will bend their krautnigger german knees to anglo ruled west.
>>521637818all retarded horseshit made up up to distract from deliberate british bombing that targeted nothign but civilians
>>521632221better bombers may not have made much of a differencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_Homeuk were pioneers of radar tech at the timethat made it impossible for germany to have the element of surprise, so they would also need better fighter escorts
>>521638488>Polish reportspollacks lie whenever they open their mouth
>>521639488the kraut cries out in pain as he strikes you
>>521639488>The Führer has ordered that the air war against England be given a more aggressive stamp. Accordingly, when targets are being selected, preference is to be given to those where attacks are likely to have the greatest possible effect on civilian life. Besides raids on ports and industry, terror attacks of retaliatory nature are to be carried out against towns other than London. Minelaying is to be scaled down in favour of these attacks.
>>521639395>Funny how the Germans pretend they were never playing this gamebecause were werent, you subhuman
>>521639684your point, you monkey?
>>521632474i hate praty and his disgracing race of poos so fucking much deport all poos get the fuck out of der schweiz
>>521632221>why a country the size of my burgerland homeland state can't do this or thatI wonder why OP, is every burger state sufficient in all aspects? I doubt it.The power of a big country is being self-sufficient.They lack a lot of resources inside of europe, so that's why the kike golems, aka anglos and slav try to cut their resources from africa, south america and asia.
>>521639691>first German bombing of a civilian target 1 September>British doesnt even declare war until 3 September
>>521635482what retarded kike horseshitits like you subhumans cant make up your mindwhat is this thread about then?
>>521632221Fallschirmjäger paratroopers with allied flags.
>>521639832you mean with fucking stukas?
>>521639740Really struggling with basic logic aren't we Fritz? My grandfather was in Bomber Command right from the beginning. Too bad he missed your house.
>>521634055why the circus design
>>521634822>werent killing random civilians*couldn't>Chain Home proved important during the Battle of Britain in 1940. CH systems could detect enemy aircraft while they were forming over France, giving RAF commanders ample time to marshal their aircraft in the path of the raid. This had the effect of multiplying the effectiveness of the RAF to the point that it was as if they had three times as many fighters, allowing them to defeat frequently larger German forces.
>>521639903Are you stupid?
>>521634822Hitler really held back on the Brits until he couldn't anymore and it was too late by then
>>521639950your worthless grandfather made the world save for niggerssubhuman anglo cunt
>>521635767I feel kind of sporty you wanna be next? :))))
>>521640003visually shows anyone on the ground that the propellors are spinning and also you can tell your troops that the planes with yellow noses are on your sideor like they did it because they were on methi think it looks cool actually planes still shit though
>>521640047Warsaw was a front city, you stupid Anglo fuckthat is completely different than bombing some far away town for the lulz
>>521632221the western allies had air superiority since 1941, that why the germans had wunderwaffen projects like jet engines and flying wings that flew faster than allied planes.
>>521635038better than most of the trash on /pol/ Catalog rn>>521632809This (He 177 was a doomed project, due to its engine configuration, pushed by RLM bureaucrats) but you also need industrial manufacturing capacity to produce mass numbers of large bomber aircraft to conduct strategic bombing operations. By 1942 and later the German homeland and its core industrial plants were being hit by Allied interdiction and heavy bombing raids.
>>521640123please be bait
>>521640106Lol keep seething.
>>521640258https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wielu%C5%84
>>521640702Meant for >>521640198
>>521640198>it's a front city>literally in the middle of the country
>>521640821the fucking frontlineyou stupid inbred anglo niggerdo you know Poland fell after a few weeks?>>521640702noone gives fuck about fucking Wielun
>>521639950i lold thank u leaf
>>521632221It was a doctrine thing. The entire concept of war was based around attacking hard and fast, before the enemy can properly react. The airforce existed to soften ground targets.Also, big bombers are fucking expensive. The B24 alone was more expensive than what America spent to make the nuclear bomb. It was the single most expensive project of the entire war.Their OG plan for Britain was to use paratroopers but they lost almost all of theirs during the Crete invasion (cleaning up the Italian's mess). They also made the wrong decision to bomb British cities instead of military targets. It is generally agreed by officers at the time that, if the Germans had targetted runways instead of cities early during the Battle of Britain, they would not have been able to fight back and win.Germany lost the war because they they failed to win in the air. They could not replace planes and pilots at the same rate as their enemies, and they failed to capitulate Britain before they rev'd up their production engines and dragged Uncle Sam into the war.They were very, VERY close to getting away with everything. A handful of decisions doomed them. If Britain flipped like France did, Germany would not have been beatable. The technology to invade Europe without the british isles conveniently being so close simply did not exist back then.
>>521632221Valkyrie Amerika bomber, you dolt
>>521637065It isn’t talked about much anymore since history proved it was a retarded idea, but in the interwar American planners were obsessed with this idea that the Norden bombsight would allow strategic bomber formations to absolutely decimate Japanese naval battle groups with pinpoint level bombing. The idea was we’d be fighting most likely in the vicinity of our bases in the Philippines, so range considerations were in part based around that. However reality intervened and level bombing of ships proved so inaccurate as to be worthless. Note that this did not stop MacArthur from claiming Army B-17s carried the day at Midway while the Navy sat around uselessly.
>>521641224>if I don't care it doesn't countJust proving what we all know, that you're a disingenuous, unprincipled faggot
>>521641778noone ever heard of that irrelevant villageits the most laughable attempt at stupid shit I ever head
>>521641561they did wargames with sea lion even with the RAF fucked they still resulted in axis defeatno alt history what if shit is just going to make the royal navy dissapear overnight and suddenly make the wehrmacht have the logistical capacity for a protracted naval invasion
>>521632221>>521632809There was some study they did that showed dive bombing was the most accurate kind of bombing so whoever was in charge of the project demanded that all bombers must also be capable of dive bombing. So the plane needed to be able to withstand the stresses involved in pulling up from the dive bombing. Eventually someone said forget the dive bombing, but it delayed the whole project by years.The use of 2 engines instead of 4 came from the dive bombing requirement. It made it easier to make the plane strong enough to survive dive bombing or something. I forget. Anyway the engines ended up being poorly designed or installed so they overheated a lot and caught fire.
>>521635049>the only ones killing civilians on purpuse were the alliesyou did kill eastern euros though and were going to kill morehitler said in his mein kampf that germans need land east for living space... ie where people lived...
>>521641858>never heard of my nation bombing a civilian target with no legitimate military value so it doesn't countLOL, lmao. Please refer to my post here and kill yourself >>521641778
>>521632221Germany was into ground support bombing. If it's not a part of blitzkrieg, they didn't think much of it. Also, they never really invested in long range fighters so the point would have been moot.They liked to diddle with things like the Amerikabomber but it never did happen and wouldn't have helped without fighter cover. The one thing that Hitler really wanted was the jet bomber that could give him the retribution he wanted so much over England. The Arado Ar 234 came too late in the war to matter. In a nutshell.... they...specifically Hitler, was a retard. He was a total idiot to start wars on two fronts and his support systems sucked at repairing planes rather than replacing them..
>>521641970mein kampf wasnt even written by hitler
>>521641858>that is completely different than bombing some far away town for the lulz>noone ever heard of that irrelevant villageso brits can't bomb your small village but it's ok when you do it? interesting
>>521641996keep talking to yourselfif you have to point to some irrelevant village then that tells everyone everthing they need to know
>>521642062Yes it was. He couldn't publish it because he was in jail.
>>521641858ok then i've never heard of dresden or hamburgsimple as
>>521642062>mein kampf wasnt even written by hitlerwho wrote it then?
>>521642035they werent "long range fighters"they were mass death bombing random german cities with tens of thousands of deaths
>>521642132He has a point. They're two different things. It's like pointing to Guernica as evidence of terror bombing, but the republican forces were literally stationed inside the town and didn't even hide the fact.
>>521641888With total air supremacy, they could in theory just throw planes at the Royal Navy. They didn't really need to sink ships, just damaged enough that they couldn't leave port. It's not like ships had extensive AA by 1940.Knocking out enough ships so that Germany could win once and that was all they needed.Without losing the air war, they could have put all those resources and time that they spent on rocketry into naval strike planes instead. Britain would have folded eventually.
>>521639794I'm glad you survived today Paco. Tomorrow another round of "whether you get shot randomly by a stray bullet or get to live another day so you can go work as a gardener illegally for an elderly White American couple across the border" Pray for Mexcrementico.
>>521636902and paki grooming gangs are not the whirlwind for siding with jews against us?
>>521642132>some stupid shit was bombed in some irrelevant village>Dresden and Hamburgyeah, that is ltierally the entire british logic
>>521642098>the first German military act in Poland, and the first civilian bombing of the war is irrelevant to a discussion about who was bombing civilian targets firstLike I said, Bomber Harris did nothing wrong except quit before he was done. At the very least he could have prevented this thread from existing
>>521632221They did, retard. I banged a girl whose Dad was a crew member. He even had a fucking yearbook at the end of the war. You are going to say that they were tactical bombers (true) but production and training were a mother fucker after 1944. They had the programs; just not the formations. Politically, speaking.
>>521642306It really is. It's why they build the largest colonial empire in the world and yet think they have some claim to protect Poland, after Poland bombed German railways and radio towers and ethnically cleansed Germans. But even if they think that Poland was totally innocent in those respects, it really doesn't make sense for them to tear the world apart over Poland and risk crucifying their own dignity.
>>521642344Harris was a racist.
they were too busy being the master race with aliens building a ship nazi germany had Noah's arc all figured out
>>521632221It's pretty simple. Germany was constantly resource poor, so they built two two-engine bombers instead of one four-engine bomber. Anyway, they fucked up when they stopped bombing the British airfields and started bombing city centers. The Brits and Anericans only expanded their bombing to everything and everywhere after they destroyed every factory and airfield. They had to drop those bombs somewhere.
>>521641888Also there is one thing people often forget. Dunkirk was a MUCH worse affair than people think.It was said that, following Dunkirk, the entirety of Britain had enough weapons to field only two infantry divisions. They had basically nothing at that point, all of their equipment had been left behind in France. They absolutely could have taken over Britain with just paratroopers at that point.
>>521642306the places where my enemies live : irrelevant the places where i live : like culturally important and beautiful and stuffThis line of thinking definitley won't lead to any concequences I'm sure
>>521642589Interesting
>>521642163some jesuit most likely
>>521632474Hitler was retarded. Even if he got lucky in France, he would never be able to invade England. He should have begged for peace after the Battle of London if not before, not that Britain appeared likely accept. Instead he invades the USSR and declares war on the US when he's already lost. Maybe, they had a minuscule chance to sue for peace with the allies if the retard just took Moscow instead of his gay little three pronged midwit attack, but we will never know.
>>521642250The German air force was not really equipped to deal with naval targets and their pilots weren't trained for it either. They weren't going to build a bunch of torpedo bombers and train pilots in a short time.The German navy basically laughed at Sea Lion anyway and was glad when it was called off. They robbed barges from all over the continent and it still wasn't enough transport troops effectively even if they could take on the royal navy, which they had no hope of doing.
>>521634822Unironically this.Blue pilled faggots in this thread will point to obvious propaganda about some city that the Germans bombed but when you scratch the surface they were targeting military inside the cities or in the case of "the blitz"(the cringe if you ask me), vengeance action against the British deliberately targeting civilians.Germany had 4 engine heavy bombers but never put them into mass production so it can only be reasoned that their strategy didn't hinge on murdering civilians from the air.Germany where the good guys in World War II and anyone who dares to argue otherwise is a Jewish pawn.
>>521642660Hitler himself was actually pretty insightful. The issue was Sedylitz, Manstein, and especially Halder. Hitler should have purged the officer corps like the USSR did.
>>521642589you just mentioned the fallschirmjaegers performance in crete and you want to apply that same doctrine to the uk come on man
>>521634791Goering built the luftwaffe from nothing. He was given too many hats to where when he was only competent at gestapoing political enemies and air war operations and logistics.
>>521632474>What do you think?I think you should go back to india, you fucking dirty pajeet.
>>521642732Japan mogged the Brits in the Pacific, so I don't know why you're pretending that the British navy was any good. They were routinely humiliated. They bullied Italy because it's the only enemy they could hope to take on.
Strategic bombing is a fucking meme. Air corps' bullshit is still being peddled today. Go look at their accuracy and the actual factory data and you'll see just how inefficient of a strategy it was. Germany didn't give up until the Soviets rolled over Berlin. The industry collapsed because of losing land and resources, not from dumping bombs across 5 miles hoping it cripples something.
>>521640198These morons can't see the difference, Nu/pol/ is so fucking blue pilled it's incredible, but then again most posters are Israeli.
>>521642810>he was only competent at gestapoing political enemies and air war operations and logistics.So he was the cardinal Richelieu of Germany.
>>521640821Yes, because the front doesn't move.
>>521642589They would've had to invent amphibious assault, which took the Americans and Brits years to develop. Can't just drop dudes on an island without a supply line.
>>521642900That's basically it. We get hate posts from literally tens of thousands of yids a day.
>>521642863Japan blitzed some far flung colonies while Britain was busy in Europe. The British home fleet was no joke and I'm going to take Raeder's assessment of it against his forces over some faggot memeflag retard's.
Germany had way too many balls in the air at any point in time, just look how many experimental planes they had during the war vs. any other nation. We're talking like over two hundred! Some quite dubious quasi-experimental super tech ones made it to production because they were meant to scare and intimidate as much as they were meant to be effective and affordable instruments of war.
>>521643037If only France was twenty miles away... >>521643072The British were aiming to go to war with Japan before they declared war on Germany. That's why they embargoed them and bullied the Dutch into embargoing Japan as well.
>>521642732They had years between the fall of france and the planned invasion of the soviet union. They could have allocated resources away from useless rocketry, away from Barbarosa prep and away from building the silly Atlantikwall. Starting new wars with Britain loomed off the coast was the #1 reason they lost.They just had to grit their teeth and train those pilots and make those naval bombers. And they had the resources and manpower and even time.Of course, it's easy to say such things as people living 80 years later. We know today that although the USSR had plans to invade Germany, they were very behind on that. Germany thought that the attack was much more imminent. I guess you could blame this on Germany's weak espionage, too.
>>521643154The embargo was in 1940 after they were already at war with Germany in 1939. Stop smoking crack.
>>521642863Wonder why you haven't mentioned the Kriegsmarine in this one.
>>521642893Edgy, wrong, and retarded take.
>>521642589As much as I’d like to agree with you Anon. An airborne assault onto the British isles by the waffen ss would have been disastrous. Inadequate airlift capacity, inability to resupply/ reinforce the airhead, no long range fighter escort just for starters. Jannie’s do your job here.
>>521642951>bombing happened on literally the first dayFucking retard
>>521642249Dresden had factories no matter how much Hitler said it didn't
>>521643180>yearsFall of France: 25 June 1940Invasion of the Soviet Union: 22 June 1941That isn't years. It is, in fact, less than one year. Why is everyone in the fucking thread smoking crack and not understanding time?
>>521642744>what is Rotterdamthe first British bombing of civilian targets didn't happen until after it
>>521632221>Are they retards?They had radio guided bombs, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, jet aircraft, and helicopters before everyone else. Their Type XXI uboat revolutionized submarine design. Calling them retards is retarded.
>>521643180>Starting new wars with Britain loomed off the coast was the #1 reason they lost.But you had Guderian saying and admitting in his memoirs that when Hitler asked him that there were only 5k tanks tops and no more, but then Germany captures something like 30k in the first year and a half alone. Halder predicted, and advocated for the war with the USSR, based on an estimate that the Soviet army was only 17% of its actual size and that a sudden thrust across the west would prevent too many reinforcements from accruing. The actual idiot of WW2 was Halder.
>>521643315You're talking about the embargo with Germany, the embargoes against Japan started in 1937 when Japan was locked into conflict with China.>>521643350Because Churchill himself, a naval advisor (first lord of admiralty mean anything?), said that the uboats nearly choked Britain out of the war.
>>521643365> You may fly over a nation forever, you may bomb it, atomize it, pulverize it and wipe it clean of life. But if you desire to defend it, if you desire to protect it, if you desire to keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground the way the Roman legions did . . . in the mud - t FerbenbachStrategic air is only effective if you have something big to deliver (a nuclear bomb) and fighter aircraft or some means to protect your bombers.
>>521643122>We're talking like over two hundred!only way any of them would be a decisive game changer is if they figured out stealth bombing.probably not happening in that era.
>>521643413You're justifying the bombing of women and children. You can just say you hate white people.
>>521643952ROFL. I've literally posted like 6 different instances of the Germans doing it before a single British bomb was dropped on German civilians and you retards have either "justified" or outright dismissed them all>it's a front city>it's just some small town>blah blahKill yourself you stupid faggot.
>>521643779You are mistaken. It was in 1940.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCD_line
>>521643779I think it would've been really funny if the uboats tried en masse to support a naval landing in a place like the English channel actually. It's almost like the submarines were trying to get as far away from the UK as possible for the entire war for some reason.
>>521644101>>it's just some small townYes. That's it. It's like you have no concept that the allies would stage key HQs in civilian centers. FFS we saw that this last year when both Iran and Israel put their labs and missile storage sites under major roadways and inside hospitals. Cities aren't holy ground because they have civilians in them. Terror bombing is evil because it's specifically not precise and used to target non-hostiles. FFS you're even arguing that bombing small cities is bad but refusing to acknowledge that doing it on a horrific scale is somehow justified. You're insane.
>>521635616>>521637348>This is also why it was a big mistake that Operation Barbarossa prioritized taking Moscow (which has no oil) instead of the Caucus region (which does)Only two posters in this thread that know any history. Also, Hitler wasn't totally retarded. He wanted to prioritize the Caucuses from the outset but his generals wanted to go for Moscow and Army Group Center ended up getting higher troop allocations. Also, bogging down Army Group North on a vacation outside of Leningrad seems to have been a mistake. With hindsight, there should have been two army groups. A smaller force going for Moscow with the goal of making Soviets think that was their main target. But their real objective would have been to guard the flank of the main force aimed at the Caucuses. The only way Hitler could have had any hopes of winning the war was by getting that oil in 1942. Instead, they fucked up further by splitting up Army Group south, with one prong aimed for the oil fields, and the other for the Volga, to end up taking neither and losing the war pretty much on the spot.
subhuman dyslexic rusnigger LARPing as 1000% aryan nazi getting REKT itt, as alwaysclassic
>>521644115>You are mistaken. It was in 1940.No, you're looking at a revision in real time. Look at an AI pullup:>U.S. had started adopting increasingly restrictive trade measures as early as 1938When I was a kid reading these books in the early 2000s, they explicitly said 1937. I don't care about wikipedia redactions, like it's not an active disinfo zone. You're not going to tell me the books I grew up reading are all suddenly outdated science because wiki gurus have editing permissions.
>>521644517I look like that, I talk like that, and I vote LDPR in the Tennessee primaries every time.
>>521644424Dunk on the "if only Hitler had listened to his generals!" type retards. It's the other way around.
>>521644554>yeah well i didn't really mean embargo anyway >also you're not taking into account the mandela effectNigger, I told you to stop smoking the crack.
>>521644638You're right but they'll fume about it- against the evidence too.
>>521644691my fucking sides i love leafs
>>521644691Poland bombed German railways AND radio towers, and it was more than just one. If you look it up on wikipedia you'll see mention of one (1) radio tower because that's what sells the falseflag narrative.Same reason why all those pages of Stalin purging people who themselves were mass-murderers got taken down, because then you have to see that Stalin was ending several unsanctioned purges and not behind them all. Almost like a general secretary's job isn't to sign off on proscription lists.
>>521643851>and fighter aircraft or some means to protect your bombers.Much easier and safer to just lob tactical ballistic missiles at London.
Because the soviet/us industries were out of range and aviation grade fuel was not plenty.>muh britsdidnt do shit
>>521644859>>muh britsThey were good at>showing up late>using foreigners as meat shields>destroying their own empire>praising Gurkhas in their after action reports while admitting that native brits couldn't fight
>>521632221Goering and Donitz were autistic retards that were not willing to cooperate to be able to achieve a long range mission. Which btw could be done with hidroplane bombers refueling on ships or u-boats I believe I read
>>521644424Even if they took Baku in one piece, which seems unlikely given what happened to the oil fields at Grozni that they did take on fire, I don't see how they could have gotten the oil back to Germany. Either the fields get bombed or the pipeline they planned to build, probably both. They should have just bombed Baku themselves when they got close and the Soviet air force was weak.
>>521645066>the Soviet air force was weakOof. The red air force did more than the British and French combined.
>>521644363>uh the British had put an HQ in some small polish town 2 days before they even entered the war that justifies its destruction>the existence of factories and military targets in German cities doesn't justify the allied bombing campaign though Holy shit the dishonesty in this thread.
>>521644859>muh brits>didnt do shit>some how, by far the most salty about them.How dose that work? Never understood this reasoning.
>>521645133At that time and place, genius.
>>521639857WW1 isn't WW2 lolThe Germans used big balloons to bomb cities called zeplins but they became death traps once planes and rockets could reach them so they stopped.
>>521645217It's literal nigger logic. See the British did nothing which is why everything is their fault and forever will be.
>>521644844>yeah well i live in an alternative realityShow us a picture of your physical books that say the embargo really happened in 1937 then.
>>521644844>see guys stalin was actually the good guyamazing stuff
>>521645133Which is why the Soviets urged us to bomb the cities to pave the way for their ground troops and then say we did actually did a le bad after the warThe Russian airforce of ww2 gets unfairly shat on but this is just insane cope
>>521632221Germany never had any strategic bombers fully developed and ready to use. They were stupid to go to war with only medium range tactical twin engine bombers. They were arrogant and thought the war would be over quickly. Hiter even tried to fuck up the Me 262 and use it as a fighter bomber.
>>521645066Yea, it would have been an uphill battle even if they managed to take the oil fields as part of Barbarossa in 1941. When they briefly took some of them in 1942, they projected a year to get them operational again.
>>521634822They were the first to do strategic bombing with Guernica and were even doing terror bombings of London way late into the war with V-2 rockets once they'd pretty much already lost.The reality is that strategic bombing didn't fit their blitzkrieg strategy and they lacked the industrial output to fill in the blanks which is why they ended up using wunderwaffe bullshit like V-2's as compensation. The allies had vastly superior industrial output and weren't connected by land so it made sense to overwhelm and pummel the nazi's from the air and then use that advantage to bring it home.Shoutout the the nazi jet fighters. Read about them and their rocket fuel if you ever want a laugh.
>>521645492There is no "us". You're not the British that fought the war. You aren't even British at all. Like, what the fuck do you even think you're defending right now?
Britain was also based with their Halifax and Lancaster 4 engine strategic bombers. Germany fucked around and found that out.
>>521645493>Hiter even tried to fuck up the Me 262 and use it as a fighter bomber.Yes look into the engine itself. They were planning to mass produce them but war ended before. There were thousands of engines already on stockpile waiting for airframes, the jumo 004 solved the av fuel quality issue since turbines run on lower octane. In the conteyt of 3000 airframes by winter 46, multirole is not that stupid
>>521645725What is even this post? Thanks reddit, we're so fucking lucky you're here to clear this up
>>521645255The German in WW1 also scorched earth the shit out of Northern France and Belgium. Operation Alberich it was named, but germanoid did nothing wrong, they are the niggers of Europe
>>521645914Your gay little commonwealth couldn't even defend itself. That's why Britain called America for help in winning a war the Britain DECLARED ON GERMANY. You gay little faggots then disintegrated and now your "national" identity is sucking of Delhi migrants and being jobless. But at least you have weed rights, right? Thank goodness we beat Hitler for Kanada and Bongs so you could pretend to have done something in the last century.
>>521645914You don't understand. The perfidious angloids are both weak to the point of not even existing, and also responsible for everything bad in the world.
>>521632826The fact strategic bombing had hilariously poor accuracy in WW2 is the main reason, dive bombing is accurate and provides direct support to ground troops which helped the front advance and proved very effective in the early stages of the war. Bombing infrastructure in the Battle of Britain with medium bombers was ultimately a failure even though it could arguably have succeeded, so they didn't see a use in strategic bombers beyond having the range to strike America with a nuke, which was more of a desperation move than anything else. Even a nuke on NY wouldn't have ended the war unless Germany could easily demonstrate the capacity to carpet the East coast with more of them.
>>521646030*off*thatI nearly had an aneurysm posting thatHoly shit the arrogance from nu-male faggots pretending they have some connection to the people who fought in WW2 is un-fucking-real. Thanks for showing us your version of what the world should look like and exporting it though.
>>521632221They were/are too poor and dumb to build them.
>>521646030What do you mean "we" faggot, you didn't fight shit
>>521646197>pretending they have some connection to the people who fought in WW2You just nearly died from a stroke spouting off about how "we beat Hitler".
>>521643365back in the grave, Lemay
>>521645899Yes, a later multi role would have worked out for the Me 262 but Germany ran out of time. The most beautiful plane ever constructed by the way.
>>521637505This. They also started developing these strategic bombers + plans of area bombardment as early as 1930 (!), long before the nazis ever came to power.The kikes knew Germany wasn't fully subjugated after WW1, so they already planned for the next war.
>>521646266I'm the same American that both my great grandfathers were when they both fought in WW2, and they were the same American as my great great grandfather that went over in WW1. Step down you retarded little libnigger. You're embarrassing yourself and your entire race. You better be fucking brown as a bag posting like that.
>>521646266Fucking kek, gottem
>>521646202Is that why the US and soviets lapped up thousands of german scientists and patents in 1945 after the Reich had fallen?Shut up kike
>>521646197Whatever the fucks going on right now is still a better alternative than the nihilistic death cult shit you actually believe in once you rip off all the set dressing.
>>521646490>You didn't fight Hitler>GOTCHAYeah he really cooked with that one
>>521646613>Whatever the fucks going on right now is still a better alternativeRevealing your final form already.
>>521636571So are yours... youre not allowed to shoot them though,lol.
>>521646446>I'm my grandfatherThat's a neat trick there Fry
The jews built replicas of german and japanese cities in the desert to test out the most effective means of eradicating said cities with firebombing (firestorm inducement). Look up the Dugway Proving Ground.They had like a dozen jew scientists figuring out human slaughter on an industrial scale. They then put that into practice in the Dresden + Tokyo and many other firebombing raids, leading to millions of civilian deathsExactly what the jews accuse germans of doing. Jews aren't human
>>521632421>to conquer britainHey pajeet. Britain has never been conquered, never has, never will.
>>521646613>Whatever the fucks going on right now is still a better
>praise the liberal utopia that the UK-French declaration of war brought
>>521646868Never forget that the first openly gay politician in Europe was a member of the Nazi party lol
>>521646613I don't know. It would be pretty neat to live in world where magic exists, and some nebulous magical force can travel back in time and change the books I read as a child while not altering my memory of them.Imagine every time you read the same book it can be a different experience. You know what I'm going to go get some crack right now.
>>521646823Apart from this time with the Saxon, the Danes and the Normans of course
>>521646823Your capital city is 30% british.Guess you can't be conquered if you surrender
>>521646654God, you're stupid, anon. I've seen you posting in other threads. Every single time your tiny fucking mind explodes and you devolve into gibbering chimp before everyone's eyes. Piss off and go back to spamming the board and stop involving yourself in arguments that take you past more than 10 posts, you clown
anglo kikes got what they deserved endless raping jeets
>>521632221Probably a lack of resources to make enough.
>>521642660Britain was 5-6 weeks away from surrendering the entire airspace of southern and central England, probably faster had Goering realised what impact he had made when the Luftwaffe accidentally knocked out a chunk of the south command radar network on the Isle of Wight, leaving a 90 mile wide black hole to cross through for 5 days before being repaired discreetly.A total evacuation of the remnants of the RAF to northern England and into Scotland would leave Luftwaffe supremacy in the pivotal coastline which would allow undisturbed destruction of the Home Fleet ships and allow airborne landings at the RAF bases. This would then lead to gradual amphibious crossings to the vital port towns, once they were taken. It would be a couple weeks at most before total conquest as its a very small landmass. The UK ground forces were essentially non existent because of Dunkirk leaving behind all the equipment and U-Boats were choking the country with highly successful pack attacks.The Churchill small terror bombing of Berlin enraged Hitler and made him change tactic from strictly airbases, dockyards,industrial sites to cities and towns.The UK's *only* advantage is that its an island, and islands are bitches to take, no matter what era you live in. It's also the biggest disadvantage at the same time, you rely on imports to survive.Churchill himself even said after the war that the only time he was honestly and truly terrified was when the U-Boats were dominating the ocean and waterways and thanked God the Germans didn't have a lot more of them as originally wanted by Doenitz(300 to win a commerce war with Britain). He credited Hitlers obsession with Plan Z for that one. Focusing on surface fleet instead of the submarines meant Germany initially only had a few dozen U-boats hunting ships(which did truly enormous and shocking levels of damage and shipping losses) instead of 300 of them dominating and fully sealing off Britain permanently into total surrender.
>>521632221Hitler was too nice and didn't want to hurt too many people
>>521646833I'm sorry if you got groomed or something. A world in which the Nazis won WW2 would not somehow eradicate pedophilia. You'd just have to be in the SS to get away with it instead.
>>521647120>Saxon, the Danes and the Normans of courseTechnically, none of them conquered the island of Britain.
>>521632221>>521632826When you think about it, Goering was one massive fuck-up who spend most of the war in Paris fucking 14-year-old boys.
>>521632421They were, the atomic bomb. They were close but the Americans took their facilities and used it to make a bomb to drop on japan
>>521647379I suppose you also read this in a book as a child that the time wizards changed so you can't show us now.
>>521642199I'm referencing fighters that protect the bombers. The typical BF-109 that protected bombers over London might have been able to engage in combat for about 15 minutes before having to turn back or they'd run out of fuel before they reached the shores of France. The Stukas were totally vulnerable to England's fighters and when it came down to it, Germany could not do field repairs on any damaged planes. In particular, the airframes of British Hurricanes were effectively WW1 era designs and very easy to get fixed.Germany blew chunks on the Battle of Britain for so many reasons.1. Never realized that the English had an effective radar defense.2. Never finished the job of destroying the airfields before attacking London.3. Never did have the fuel and manpower to sustain a long term fight.4. German bombers never really improved. The Heinkels and Stukas were really obsolete from the start. 5. Hitler's officers lied out their asses about the success of the air war.To their credit, the Germans made effective use fo the resources that they had, but it was completely stupid to just walk away from the threat in England before attacking Russia. Hitler was just a small fry who was lucky that the Wehrmacht propped him up as long as they did.
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>>521637348>>521644424>>521645066yeah oil from the caucasus was too much of a stretch. best chance with knowing in hindsight that in 1941 winning the border battles was not enough would've been to concentrate all motorized divisions in army group north so the left flank is protected by the baltic sea, easily take leningrad, cut of the entire north and get to moscow before the red army would've able to muster anything like an even force with most of their units being in the wrong place at the wrong time, like with the sickle cut in france
>>521647954careful now gchq is monitoring this thread i could get you done for that
>>521647954I mean Hitler apparently built more spas and hotels for the jews then he did gas chambers. If it was up to him the situation would be worse
"Für den Mann der kommt nach mir."or in English,"For the man who comes after me."These were Hitler’s last privately recorded words according to Heinz Linge, who was his valet, and the last person whom he physically talked to before he and his wife, Eva, committed suicide in their private room in the Führerbunker on the 30th April 1945. These words were Hitler’s response to Linge’s question on for whom should the National Socialists and future generations fight for after his death.The very final mortal words of Hitler however are known only to Adolf,Eva and God as only they heard them.This was perhaps one last allusion to the core principles of National Socialism, which concerned itself extensively about the future and the place of the Germanic volk(Germans,Danes,Dutch,Swedes,Norwegians and the English) within it. It could also be a reflection of a possible hope that someone in the future will continue on his legacy in a more efficient manner with new technologies and new mindsets.Indeed Hitler himself actually implied this when privately speaking to Albert Speer after the Kursk defeat in August 1943, his words were recorded as "In a hundred years time, perhaps, a great man will appear who may offer them a chance at salvation. He'll take me as a model, use my ideas, and follow the course I have charted".He also addressed this again in his final published statement before his death which has this included in it:"A century or more may pass but out of the ruins of our cities and monuments, the spirit of National Socialism shall rise once again and the hatred will continually grow anew against the people that is ultimately responsible, and for whom we have to thank for all this: international Jewry and its helpers!"He believed by the end that he was nothing but a vanguard for someone superior to him, a messenger and inspiration for "the coming man" so to speak.
>>521647344And a brief 400 year roman stint
>>521648188Are you going to be Hitler's successor anon?Big boots to fill pal
>>521646823So King Arthur and the Britons were able to repel the Saxon invaders?
>>521632221>Are they retards?Yes.
>>521647261the 300 u-boats thing sounds tempting, but building that many by 1939(and finding trained crews for them)was beyond germonys means without weakening the other two branches which they needed to defeat france. also britain would've known about it and build escorts, and it's pure hindsight bias. you might as well argue the early u-boat success were possible only because the british slept on it, the "wolfpacks" were overrated and sunk a minimal percentage of convoy ships at any time after 1940
>>521639329Why, mr kike flag?
>>521646963Ernst Roehm? The orgy guy? Hitler dealt with him, and no he wasn't the first.
>>521648878>he dealt with him>confined to wear the SAs colours even after the SS took overHitler was so sad his faggot butt buddy was gone he wore his clothes to remember him by lol
>>521648428It would be worth all my efforts, continuous work and dedication to reading, studying and researching over the past 14 years. IMHO I would give my best to at least not be a bad FÜHRER and surround myself with competent people I would actually listen to and let them do their work based on meritocracy and their respective qualifications, capacities and capabilities. The civilizational parasite class of usurers and their helpers would be removed from the map once and for all, that is for certain, like they never even existed! Of course cooperation and mutual agreements with other Fuhrers, like in Britain, based on common interests and shared goals, would be a good start for the manifold of things to come!SIEG HEIL DEM TAUSENDJÄHRIGEN REICH!!!
>>521648428No. I hate politics, all a bunch of cunts,traitors and degenerates of the highest possible caliber. They make my skin crawl. Each and every one of the smarmy pricks is a cunt that serves everyone else but Britain.The glowies must have one hell of a database on all the skeletons in the many closets of each politician. I just find the estoteric and mystical stuff interesting. I do think there's a cycle to things, faces and names change but themes remain the same. That's consistent throughout history.I leave politics to the talkers who never do anything and are there for the very fat unjustifiable pay packets, a golden insane pension and endless expenses. I like using my hands and actually being useful. Right now we're a failed state with an actual dead economy and completely politically and socially unstable at Weimar levels with 6 PM's(soon 7) in 10 years.I'm just here to enjoy the very bumpy ride and hope I make it through what comes next because history shows us what happens next every single time. I hope for a King Arthur-esque or Alfred the Great character to rise "Cometh the hour, cometh the man" and all that but I increasingly doubt it at the moment.
>>521649655I'd like King Arthur to come back too that'd be cool but I'm pretty sure what's actually going to happen is China's just going to use and amplify how fucked things are in the west to become the next sole superpower.
>>521647666shitskin
>>521650220I have have the feeling that england and anglo nations except mb the US like canada and australia are on their way out, in influence and population composition.I am only 20, I hope that I will live to see nothing of england remain.
>>521633342USA is interested in expanding NORTH not east, and that is why they were talking about Canada and Greenland becoming part of USA. I really cannot think of anything the USA needs from Europe. Porsches? We do not need you, we just do not want Russia to have you.
>>521635616That's why I always thought you Gerrys put up one hell of a fight. Nowhere near the resources combined against you.
>>521646868kids with parents like that usually grow up to hate their guts.
>>521647269Already been through a war as a teen.
>>521650946I'm a potato nigger, but okay.
>>521651427Britain is still much whiter than Germany, which is about as brown as Canada is lol
>>521635616>>521637348This.Research further, look at all the pictures of German WWII horse-drawn carts, trailersand also the coal gas fueled vehicles cars/truckshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator
Converted destroyers with 6 scout seaplanes hosted by cranes.Stay in reserve to support fleeing U-boats.Light carriers with mini squadrons in full reserve to cover scout plane retreat.Full Atlantic dominance.
>>521632221Simply because they didn't need to. The only reason the Brits (and Americans) invented "Strategic Bombing" is because they couldn't readily establish a beach head from which to mount a ground invasion.
>>521655164Strategic bombing didn't work. Even when they turned it into a war crime, fighters just went underground.The Japanese army was nonplussed by the nukes.
>>521634822You are right. Nuke England (except Birmingham and London)
>>521637348They should have bypassed Stalingrad but had to make a point.
>>521632221Strategic bombing implies a long war of attrition, like happened in WW1.Hitler was determined to avoid such a situation. His wars were going to be quick and decisive.So the job of the air force was to support ground troops, not attack enemy factories far from the front.Of course, we all know what happened. The Russian invasion misfired and Germany found itself in exactly the situation Hitler wanted to avoid.However by the time he acknowledged this it was 1943 and it was too late.
>>521637246>B-36. It just wasn’t ready by the time the war ended. First flight was in ‘46.Yes, when it became clear Britain wasn't going to fall, development on this stalled and only picked up after the war.(Same happened with the Spruce Goose. With the U-boats defeated, it just wasn't needed anymore.)
>>521655332He wasn't blackpilled enough which he admitted basically but blamed Germany.He thought he could just win a war and join the club lol.
Hitler-fans on this thread all raging against Goering, just like they were in 1944-45.Goering had to work with what he was given, which was much less than the army, and even the navy. Luftwaffe just didn't have the resources to do what Hitler wanted it to do.Goering became the official scapegoat for everything that went wrong in the war -- the failure to defeat Britain in 1940, the failure to save Stalingrad and Rommel in 1942-43, the failure to prevent bombing of German cities.None of these things were his fault. They were Hitler's.
>>521646823>norman invasion in 1066ad>for five hundred years the king of england spoke french
>>521632221They had V2s you absolute gorilla nigger
>>521634822fpbpchecked
>>521634822checked, based and true and everyone else is a seething spiritual nigger
>>521639495>uk were pioneers of radar tech at the timeBritain had broken the Luftwaffe codes so knew where the bombers were headed before they even took off.This was a big secret though. It only became public in 1970s.Before then, radar was claimed to be the super miracle weapon that always RAF advantage over Luftwaffe. This was actually disinformation.(This led to some controversy in 1980s when a certain historian noticed that Churchill somehow always arranged to never be sleeping where the bombs where falling.)
>>521643154>The British were aiming to go to war with Japan before they declared war on Germany.Literally last thing Britain wanted in 1938-9 was war with Japan. Britain couldn't deal with German and Japan at same time and everybody knew it.(Breaking the alliance with Japan in 1920s was controversial in Britain precisely for this reason.However even back then Britain had to be sensitive to American concerns about Japan, and the Americans hated this alliance.)
>>521632221Yeah
>>521644363>Terror bombing is evil because it's specifically not precise and used to target non-hostiles.There's a legal mechanism to prevent this: declare the city an open city, cease all military activities there, and allow neutral observers in to verify this.But this never happens because factories are always located in cities, and nobody wants to shut down military industry in wartime.
>>521644424>his generals wanted to go for MoscowAll railways in European Russia ran though Moscow. Capture it and you paralyse the rail network.(In those days rail transport was more important than road.)If you take Stalingrad you also cut the Volga, which was Russia's main waterway. Again, this would paralyse Russian communications.(Capturing Leningrad was less important since the German navy already dominated the Baltic.)So I can see what Hitler was trying to do, he just didn't have enough force to pull it off.
>>521632221In WW2 ? They did, it was called the bombing of London or 'the Blitz'. It was the precursor to the 'bombing of Dresden'
