It took Russia 3 years to capture the blue areas.
how long until Ukraine takes it back
>>521860808>Russia isn't winning fast enoughdrunk retard conscripts fighting with rusty shovels against the might of high tech Western military.why are they winning at all?we gave Ukraine enough money and weapons to defeat 20 Russias.
>>521861033>you're not killing russians fast enough
You lost, NAFO scum.
>>521861033>struggling to take back 20% of an ex province and bleedingHow is it not L on historic timescale?
>>521860947>>521861033Russia, supposedly 2nd best army in the world cant defeat Ukraine despite being 37 times larger in area with 5 time the population. Imagine how they would perform in a fight against the US and all of Europe.
>>521860808Russians are coming
>>521861033Even ukraine supporters seem to care more about farm fields than cannon fodder draftees.
>>521861353I'm asking about the UAF Anon
>>521861283>no boots on the ground>less than 1% of GDP spent>+2 countries>+80% of Ukraine>EU arms itselfNATO won decisively.
For 3 years Russia held the red areas and also took the blue areas.
>>521860947>how longLight years, Mr. Hrihoriy Kanadskyi
>>521861283Thank you for paying taxes and your continued contributions to the NATO fund.
Recently, a major tactical shift is occurring that spells doom for the Russian invasion. For every territory taken, it becomes a pyrrhic victory for Russia, making it too expensive for Russia to continue the war.https://www.bitchute.com/video/4HbI2hQGAAl4
>>521860808Why am I supposed to be afraid of them?
>>521861353You are comparing a 3rd world desert army and their monkey model (export variant) tanks with a NATO trained army with Patriots, HIMARS, and US intel services.
>the entire might of the NATO globo homo, multi culti Hebraic hordeLost against>A few Ivans with Soviet era Aks and tanksBeyond grim
>>521861879Ukraine didn't have NATO training, Patriot missiles, himars, or US intel until after muscovy invaded and failed to take the capital
>>521861879Both countries had a similar size and population. Iraq was better armed and more numerous in troops as opposed to Ukraines surprise invasion. Ukraine also didn't have tanks, Patriots and Himars at least a year into the war. The truth is, Russian military is vastly incompetent. They failed to achieve air superiority over Ukraine, they failed their assault on Ukraines capital and lost the prospect of a swift victory. And since then they reverted to WW2 era trench warfare with motorcycles and North Koreans because they are incapable of organizing a strategy. Russia both as a country and military works like an African dictatorship.
>>521862327>it was real in my mindDamn I wish we "rent" 300 5 gen fighters for a couple of months to Ukraine so you psyoped retards have a little demo what the war with a military block that relies on air superiority doctrine looks like.
>>521862415and now they do, what's the hold up
>>521860808Leopards went boom.Challengers went boom.F16s went boom.ATACMs went boom.Patriots went boom.Not bad for a bunch of drunk, gay guys who have had to fight with nothing but their shovels for three years.
>>521863261*Abrams went boom too.
>>521862469Iraq was a paper tiger. The Iran war and later sanctions had crippled them as a fighting force. They were also fighting on flat deserts in a tank vs tank war they weren't equipped to win. Drone swarms have changed warfare completely and any ground war will look similar to Ukraine until someone comes up with a countermeasure.
>>521860808I see nafotroons trembling at increasing rate.Good.
>>521861879russia is hardly a desert
>>521863660>increasing rate.>all gains this yearYou realize that this war is going to last at least a couple decades at this rate right?
>>521861353Iraq was 20 years ago and against sandniggers, not exactly comparable.
>>521863660no one is impressed by Russia
>>521863799I realize what you repeating these mantras more for yourself, than for others.
>>521863755Your girlfriends pussy is
>>521863947This war has mentally broken russians. For years they were told stories of liberating France from Napoleon and Germany from Hitler (because of the coalitions). They believed they could conquer Europe. They are still in denial over the results.
>>5218609472 weeksukraine just needs more funds
how does Ukraine's frontline never collapse?
>>521860808>to capture the blue areasVPNigger let me tell you somethingTerritory is worth nothing without people.Nation is not a territory, but people with same point of view, lang, traditions, etc.KIKES sent thousands of men to death for what?To hold 20% of territory which will be uninhabitable for another 50-70 years due to mines, shells, etc. We're still finding nazi aerial bombs from WWII after 80years.Ukraine is DEAD. Cursed and corrupted by jews.If this shit will be over soon majority of highIQ people will run away as far as they can. To the Argentina or New Zealand.be ukrainian is a shame .. all will see true face of jew regime soon ... corruption and another Watergate. >>521860947>how long until Ukraine takes it backas long as universe exists or longer
>>521864449schrodinger's frontlines>>521864514damn
>>521864181Dont remember no allies reaching Berlin together with us.
>>521860808It's acceleratin>>521860808 tho
>>521864514Ukraine doesn't really have an option. The government is doing what is available to them, what is the other option? If Russia captures Ukraine, the Ukrainian nation will be genocided and erased from history. Ukrainian language will be banned, history erased, and it will be re-settled with russians. The only bad thing Ukraine ever did was bordering russia.
>>521861367By moped. Bicycle and donkeyBut yes they are comingI think we all underestimated the resolve of the actual Russian fighting spirit and ability to just move forward. It doesn't make sense there morale didn't collapse and troops just go home
>>521860808The whole point of this war was to prove that history wasn't dead. You can just invade people and no one will use nukes. Territory is still up for grabs if you're bold enough
>>521864768>I think we all underestimated the resolve of the actual Russian fighting spirit and ability to just move forward. It doesn't make sense there morale didn't collapse and troops just go homeIt's easier for them to draft men to their meat grinder because the average russian citizen is an uneducated alcoholic or drug addict with no prospect in life, earning 1/10th of the salary of an European. I don't think any western nation would've been able to sustain such a meat grind of their citizens, buts easier to convince 3rd worlders to die for their government. It works similarly in African countries.
>>521864690I remember when you losers got your asses kicked by ISIS and then the Kurds how army Leo 2 did your inconpenet army lose again ?
>>521864768kek, remember when they were bullied when we discovered they were using cope cagesnow it's in the modern warfare textbooks for everyone else
>>521864768That was the whole NATO plan for 2023 AFU offensive "Leopard 2 would sweep Putin's conscripts" turns out Russian aren't gay Turks or Arabs they shoot back and with a lot of heavy ordnance.
>>521860808AFU has desertion up the roof and you think Russia will lose its holdings? Russia is going to capture Ukraine quickly after zaphorizia falls to Russian steel and might.
>>521865024Kiev is getting wrecked daily by missiles now and they can't stop them. Hilarity ensues. Even trump has had enough and his peace proposal fucked Ukraine heavily.
>>521865024That was cool
>>521861353now show operation Barbarossa.
>>521865024See, this is whole point.Why are ukranians fighting to the death? Because is better to die than be under russia.Why are those russians marching to their death?Because living as a russian or death is not very different for them.
>>521865142>>521865208Yeah it was KINO shame the AFU didn't due an offensive this year.
>>521865421Wrong Ukrainians are being forcibly mobilized by there Jewish leader. Zelenakike blow through the hundreds of thousands of willing volunteers now all he can do is grab unwilling men. Russia pays there men good salaries to go to war and fight they don't need to kidnap people for war yet. I'm sure Blackrock is hoping there Jewish dwarf wins the war there a lot of good land they can steal.
damn what about all that red territory??
>>521860808>”good news is only some of the apple is rotten so in a week it’ll probably be fine”what momentum or resources does Ukraine have in order to reverse or even stop Russia’s progression?
>>521862899WAAAAA BOOOHOOOO fucking kek
The best perspective is how globohomo perceives this war. In 2023 they said what they will achieve military victory over Russia.In 2024 they said Russia will be forced to freeze the offensive without any concession from globohomo side, simply by forceIn 2025 they offer Russia some concession and try to please Cucktin with (shallow) talks.What will happen in 2026? Or 2027? Russian military production output will only grow until 2029.
>>521865852you'll mysteriously get no answers on that front chief>>521865939according to another enlightened leaf: NATO training, Patriots, HIMARS , US intel and the eternal support of the EU
>>521860808>Globohomo loses in an expensive, worthless, train wreck of a war yet again Lmfao. What is that, 4 wars now or 5? It’s hard to keep track of all the losing because globohomo jews have their hands in damn bear every cookie jar
>>521864913>>521865476>>521865715>incompenet>due>thereJeetnigger they need to send you back to English school
>>521866324He is beyond brown.
>>521866324Pajeets simp for jews and globohomo nigger. They’re rarely pointing out the evils of the globohomo jew. That other anon doesn’t even write with a pajeet voice
>>521866375>only pajeets are globohomo jew skeptics! >t. Globohomo jew Cringe lol
>>521866478Didn't say pajeet. I said beyond brown. Learn to read
>>521860808yeah but how many enemy were killed in those purple area is the questionif zelensky is forcing little kids and old men at gunpoint to go to frontline.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT3glX-C2zA
>>521866620>I didn’t say pajeet I said brown! Yeah because you don’t want to offend you shit loving Pajeet allies jew. We’ve always said shitskins here anyway, “brown” is a globohomo nuspeak term from the last few years >t. 04
>>521866716> zelensky is forcing little kids and old men at gunpoint to go to frontline.....Fix’d this for you, it isn’t “if”. Zelensky has been doing it for years now, we have countless pieces of video evidence
>>521866723No pajeets are subhuman. But that zigger is beyond brown. No we didn't sweety. We said brown/brownoid even before /sg/ was created. Even before the Jeb times. Newfag
>>521861879UA is not even a state tho right? Its that pigmy thing in Jersey right?
>>521864690The option was to sign the peace deal in 2022, lose Crimea, stop prosecuting Russians in your country and eventually join the EU but not NATO and Russia would even restore Donetsk and Luhansk to you. Ukraine did not take this deal, because Boris Johnson ordered them to fight to the last Ukrainian. The real loss are not even the men slain on the battlefield or crippled, but the five million young Ukrainian girls who escaped to the EU and have zero intention to return. An entire generation will be born abroad, who will likely quickly assimilate to their local culture. Absolute demographic death spiral. >>521864768Turns out, NATO planners made their entire plan hinge on their enemy acting like they think they should act. When the enemy acted differently, they were caught completely dumbfounded and hope application of enough friendly media blaring their narrative would correct this "mistake". It didn't.
>>521864690>The government is doing what is available to themTOP KEKif you tell this you know nothing except TV shit or reuters\politico crap.> what is the other option?they had options in first Istanbul meetings back in april 2022 with russian's ceasefire demands:1. leave russian church alone and stop raiders2. rus lang as secondary officially (which written in CONSTITUTION OF UKRAINE >Article 10>In Ukraine, the free development, use and protection of Russian, and other languages of national minorities of Ukraine, is guaranteed.3. No NATO join or military bases in Ukraine. EU is ok.4. No long range missile. Cut the army by two times of current size.But Boris Johnson said to Volodya: bro, just fight .. we will be make huge money from it.Rest of the story you know.Now internal corruption scandal (no the first but definitely HUGE due to involved persons (like Zel's wife, Olena, Ermak, Umerov, etc.) and lack of Trump patience Zele will be forced to sign russian demands in exchange for protection and not being locked in for billions which he and his team stole.Demands which the same as it was in april2022 and captured territories will be for russia.But there is a trick: russia will pay for this occupied territories like they pay for Crimea.So, if you have to pay for new territories as rent why you need to gain square kilometers with huge losses (people and financial).To pay after even more?! KEKAll russian needs is to control land way\road without any bridges to Crimea (Kerch will be as secondary backup plan), control fresh water supply from Dnipro to Crimea and Black Sea control.Nothing new from april2022 but territory and human lifes loses. But jews get rich as fuck.> The governmentall JEWS .. check it .. there is no jew in kabmin (cabinet of ministry) or any political force.This is fucken New Khazaria.
>>521866422>>521866478The jeet doth protest too much, methinks
>>521861353>Russia, supposedly 2nd best army in the worldthe fuck? someone tell this boomer the USSR is gonerussia had a ~50 billion usd budget pre war, comparable to germany (and its joke of a military) except it's was far worse because russia also had more than double of germany's populationthe only thing that scares kikes about russia is their nuclear arsenal which means they can't escalate past a certain threshold
>>521867190>The option was to sign the peace deal in 2022, lose Crimea, stop prosecuting Russians in your country and eventually join the EU but not NATO and Russia would even restore Donetsk and Luhansk to you.This is beyond delusional. Putin proclaimed that all of Ukraine belongs to Russia because it was a part of Russia 800 years ago.
>>521861550The usa has spend the weapons it takes them 4 years to produce. Some types of weapons will need decades to replenish.
>>521862415Nato was training ukrainian troops since 2014.
>>521863799sure, if this was hoi4 and the only thing that mattered was ground gain>5 million ukrainians part of russia>5 million ukrainian female "refugees" turned into EU concubines>2 million ukrainians KIA or WIA>"it's okay guise, at least we are losing territory slowly, totally worth it"
>>521860808Wonderful! Ukraine CRUMBLES before the MIGHT of the GREAT RUSSIAN ARMY!! No choice but to raise the white flag, and SURRENDER to the awesome power of the Russia!
>>521862469True about russia, but you can't deny the involvment of nato, which spent most of it's weapons on ukraine and still failed at even stopping russia. It's a massive fail for nato that will be incredibly hard to recover from.No-one ever will take nato and the usa seriously and only absolutely retards will rely on american overprised garbage aka weapons.
>>521860808What you're really saying is Ukraine has failed to recapture any land they've lost since September 2022, when Russia formally annexed those 4 territories.
>>521861353>A million-man global coalition defeated sandniggers with no foreign support.>A 100k Army didn't defeat a much larger Army supported by 50 countries in three days. That means they're weak.Ukraine lost. Get over it.
>>521861320>How is it not L on historic timescale?Why would it be an L? The United States fought a 4-year Civil War with 600k dead and came out stronger than ever.
>>521863799>I don't understand how war works4chan should require an IQ test to post.
>>521868135>Ukraine lostUkraine lost just after war begin.unironically, but main speech from Zelya back in time 2019 elections was to stop Donbass war conflict.As we see achievement unlocked
>>521860808It took Russia 3 years to>reduce the population of the ukraine by 37 million, leaving the ukraine a haunted graveyard inhabited only by old women, never to recover>kill 2 million of the ukraine's trenchpigs>capture the entire sea of Azov (more like three weeks)>Bring the west to the verge of an apocalyptic economic collapse>Prove NATO cannot and never will do shit>capture all meaningful industry and mineral deposits formerly of the ukraineAnd all with only two weeks worth of supplies, a couple of rusty shovels and the odd washing machine
holy shit >RESS SEC. KAROLINE LEAVITT: "Rustem Umerov agreed to the majority of the plan, after making several modifications, and presented it to President Zelensky.">"This plan was crafted to reflect the realities of the situation, after 5 years of a devastating war, to find the best win-win scenario, where both parties gain more than they must give."https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1991636720278745344
>>521868135syrskiy aka codename "Meatgrinder" is russian.and his ill father lives in russia.Russians taking care about him (father) with all best medical care. Check.
>>521869048>And all with only two weeks worth of supplies, a couple of rusty shovels and the odd washing machineforgot the donkeys, camels and the 500 000 000 000 millions dead, wounded, MIA, deserters in the drafted penal legions powered by AI chinese chips
>>521863799Who is gonna fight it, you? The Ukrainians don't want to fight anymore.
>>521860808Russians will unironically say Nato is losing and that holding those field areas are a win. Worse than Indian level of dishonesty. Look through this thread and witness how pathetic Russians are. Even one guy is bragging that cope cages are being adapted as military doctrine. 3 years for some fields lmao
>>521860808It's "the Ukraine," stupid.
>>521869369Thats because most ziggers hate their own life. Cope is all they have
>>521869369my bad Anon, retarded fields no one fucking cares about, dumb ziggershopefully the UAF takes it all of it back soon
>>521863799It's a war of attrition, lines on the map aren't that important except for what gets drawn at the end. Like WW1 where the front didn't move for 3 years then Germany collapsed in a couple of months, same will happen here and it's looking like happening pretty soon (tons of AWOL and desertion, political turmoil, no will to fight, men hiding from press gangs, allies sick of their shit and stopping support)
>>521869468>most ziggers hate their own lifemost ziggers dont have passport to go outside abroad. Just like majority of mericans BTW
>>521864449Drones, western aid and men dragged off the street to man trenches. It's starting to buckle now though.
>>521866133Yep, pretty much anyone with a brain saw that the deal for Ukraine would just get worse and worse. Their best bet after Boris Johnson convinced them to fight and tear up the negotiated treaty was immediately after the Kherson and Kharkov offensives to offer up the Donbass and Crimea and end it there.
>>521869700>men dragged off the street to man trenchesthis shit started since jan2023 and no one talking about for 2.5 yearstell me why
>>521870046people do talk about it here but it's inconsistentit's rarely brought up, when they do it's more for justifying to send more support to Ukraine rather than stopping it
>>521864578Last time I checked Stalin himself recognized you only stopped Germany because US saved you.
>>521860808You can track russian progress by the rate these maps are zooming out.
>>521860808looks like ukranny wonwill you now return back to crimeayour tatar relatives are being genocided
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>>521861353lmao! you are cockroach, your opinion is so fucking irrelevantmuh can defeat a shithole back by NATROONknow you place cut dick
>>521867384>Putin proclaimed that all of Ukraine belongs to RussiaHe explicitly stated that the Ukrainian right for independence wasn't targeted. You niggers never even bothered to check the source material.
>>521867384Why you trannies keep making up shit when btfo?
>>521869084Why the fuck is everyone pretending this ends the war when NOBODY has presented the "deal" to Putin? Could it be due to the fact that it cucks Russia out of heavy mineral reserves and Putin would throw it in the trash?Unconditional surrender or nothing. Trump should have cut funding the moment he took office. Instead he has to look like a fucking retard while Putin shits all over NATO.
