Did it happen or not. I'm going to need your proof too, no just saying shit.
>>521865755Beetlejuice costumes
>>521865755>Did it happen or not.Wrong question. The correct question is, what really happened?If only 4 million Jews were killed, did it happen?If only 2 million Jews were killed, did it happen?If only 500,000 Jews were killed, did it happen?If they were all shot or starved to death and there were no gas chambers, did it happen?Low IQ, binary thinkers ask "Did it happen?"Intelligent people ask, "What really happened?"
>>521866317Trying to get around the question I see.
>>521866407No I'm really not. To answer the question "Did the Holocaust happen?" you must first define the Holocaust. Once you define the Holocaust I will answer your question.
>>521866608Obviously if you can't outright say no than you are in some way believing it did happen. By any definition did it happen.
So look at this chart.This chart shows the change in temperature of water as you add heat energy to it. The flat line portion is the water's change from solid-liquid-gas. Which ice melts, water boils, steam condenses, etc there is a change in the total amount of heat energy, but the temperature does not change. It's a dead zone where adding and subtracting absolute quantities of heat energy do not change the temperature of the water that you can measure with a thermometer. Instead the water changes from one phase to the other.So imagine you're making a camp fire, and you add a log that was sunk in the river. It's absolutely filled with water. The dry wood might burn, but the log that's full of water will only get up to 210F/100c. Then the water will start to boil, and this action of changing to vapor consumes the heat energy being added to the log. The hydrocarbons in the log cannot ignite at the boiling temperature of water. All of the liquid water must evaporate before the log can combust, and burn to ashes.The point is that adding bodies, which are 80% water, into ovens by twos or 3s or even by hundreds, cannot reduce the total amount of time to cremate those bodies to ash.Nor would it save on fuel because two bodies need twice as much absolute quantities of heat energy to boil into vapor before they can combust.Neither time nor fuel are saved by doubling up bodies, and the nazis running out of coal and resorting to wooden piers is part of the official narrative, backed up by allied aerial photography. Wood being a significantly less energy dense fuel which would need many times more physical pounds of fuel and amounts of time to burn to cremate the bodies into ash.The doubled up ovens as an explanation for the lack of time and fuel to cremate even 500,000 bodies does not conform to the laws of thermodynamics. It is wrong.
>>521866798<---THIS chart
>>521866774>If a single kike died the Holocaust did happenActual retard
>>521867006Is that how you see it?Told you that you were a Jew.Even If they did gas the kikes the Holocaust didn't happen.
It takes like 3 hours to cremate a body with modern ovens, and we are told thousands were gassed and cremated every day with just a handful of ovens. Nothing adds up.
>>521866774>By any definition did it happen.If you define the Holocaust as aliens wiping out all of humanity, then obviously the Holocaust did not happen.But if you define the Holocaust as an organized campaign by the Nazi government to confiscate Jewish property, kill us by the thousands and put us in labor camps, then yes, it did happen.If you define the Holocaust as the Nazi government executing 6million Jews with gas chambers then no, it didn't happen-- the number 6million is basically symbolic and the gas chambers were most likely for de-lousing, not execution. Nobody knows the true number of dead, but the Nazi government certainly did confiscate Jewish property and put Jews in labor camps where many of us perished. They also shot us in the streets.So again, once you tell me what you mean by "Holocaust" I will tell you if it happened or not. Are you trying to weasel your way out of answering because you are unable to define the word Holocaust?
>>521866774"it" happenedJews were systematically disenfranchised in the third Reich. Their property and businesses were seized by the state. They were forceably deported until there we no foreign nations willing to take more. The remaining were crowded into ghettos. When the ghettos became costly, the war was going baddly, the jews were sent to concentration camps where they were compelled to labor for the war effort. Their well being was a low priority and many died due to the conditions, summary executions, and outbreaks of contagious disease. A very tiny amount of them were killed for scientific experiments. The best estimate for the death toll during the 2 year period of the official holocaust period is between 300,000 and 400,000.
>>521867098>Told you that you were a Jew.No you didn't retard. You were talking to me, not pastabro, and you never called me a Jew. The first mention of me being Jewish is when I said it myself:>kill usLike I said, intelligent people ask, "What really happened," while low IQ binary thinkers ask "Did it happen." Obviously you fall into the latter category.
>>521867328I present to you all tonight's paid Israeli poster. They are getting easier to catch by the day.
>>521867561>I present to you all tonight's paid Israeli poster. They are getting easier to catch by the day.I'm an American Jew and I'm posting here without being compensated by anyone simply because I enjoy belittling idiots like you.
>>521867471It's this kind of behavior that got you people gassed to begin with. No matter what happened it wasn't enough
>>521867561A few years back I used to be able to have really intelligent conversations with anti-Semitic European identitarians and I learned quite a bit. Now you guys are all painfully fucking stupid and you are no exception.
>>521867786Ok because you are so excited to tell us what really happened please go ahead. I need it for the screen shot.
>>521867864>It's this kind of behavior that got you people gassed to begin withSo you're saying it did happen?
>>521868005>Ok because you are so excited to tell us what really happened please go ahead.What really happened is I fucked the shit out of your fat mom. Twice.
>>521867158it takes about 109kBTU to cremate a body. there's about 13kBTU in 1 lb of coal. So like 9lb of coal per fully cremated body. the memorial at aushwitzs say 1.4 million or something? almost 18 million pounds of coal? in two years? Plus, of course, the efficiency on the ovens was way way less than 100%. They werent elaborate pressure cookers. There was no complex compressed air system upping the combustion temp either. They burned at a constant heat, outputting a constant amount of heat energy. So more bodies = more time = more fuel. Even doing this to 100,000 humans would be a herculean industrial task. And they were in the middle of losing a war for their lives.
>>521865755nobut it should have
>>521867976hey idiot.You chose to ignore this post >>521866798and only engage with the guy who'll call you a faggot.This is why >>521867864 is right. THIS is the behavior driving your people back onto the trains. You already know it didn't happen. You don't actually want to talk about it. And why would you? The existence of the holocaust as a hoax used to demoralize and manipulate generations of europeans is by itself justification for the mythical event.YOU people taught us what to do.
>>521868073Thank you for reinforcing the typical behavior of your people. Someday soon we will run the trains again.
>>521868608>You chose to ignore this post >>521866798No I didn't dumb dumb. I didn't respond to it directly because I already addressed that point:>>521867328>If you define the Holocaust as the Nazi government executing 6million Jews with gas chambers then no, it didn't happen-- the number 6million is basically symbolic and the gas chambers were most likely for de-lousing, not execution.Why are you guys all so fucking stupid now?I used to be able to talk to you about the history of Christianity and Judaism and all kinds of interesting stuff. Now you guys can barely fucking read.
>>521868608>driving your people back onto the trains>>521868608>it didn't happenIf it didn't happen, what trains are you talking about?Once again I will repeat:Intelligent people ask: "What really happened?"Simple-minded people ask: "Did it happen?"
You all are fucking idiots thats for sure
>>521868621>Someday soon we will run the trains again.What I mean to say is,One day soon we will run the train on your mom again.
>>521867328>uslol I knew by the pilpul. No prevarication will make you intelligent or witty. There was no shoah, and the holocaust was the firebombing of the German cities by The Americans and British on the orders of international jewry
It did not happen.At most a couple hundred thousand died after Allies bombed supply lines from the west. There were no gas chambers, no production-line killings, no massive oven operations. Nothing like that occurred. The Holocaust is fiction.
>>521868854It didn't happen and your people will go back on the trains so we can do it again.Expelling parasites is always moral, and never criminal.
>>521867328>the number 6million is basically symbolicYou people are so full of shit.It's as if the concept of lying being immoral/wrong is nonexistent for you.
>>521869385>It didn't happen and your people will go back on the trains so we can do it again.kek bring it on. We'll win again just like we won 80 years ago.>>521869477>lyingWhat did I lie about?
>>521869716>kek bring it on. We'll win again just like we won 80 years ago.You didn't 'win'. You got us to fight on your behalf. The fuck are you gonna do when nobody's willing to do that anymore?And nobody is willing to do that anymore, FYI.
>>521867328Every Jew who was imprisoned and their property confiscated was either a Communist or a Communist sympathizer. The Jews never talk about this, but this is the actual reason why they were put in the prison camps. Plain and simple.
>>521869210> There was no shoah, and the holocaust was the firebombing of the German cities by The Americans and British on the orders of international jewryBased and truthpilled. Millions of German children and women were raped and killed in that process as well
>>521869923Not to mention all the executions, and starvations.
>>521869849>Every Jew who was imprisoned and their property confiscated was either a Communist or a Communist sympathizer.Maybe that was the idea at first, but the confiscation of Jewish property was systematic and indiscriminate.Have you guys ever read Jeder Stirbt Fuer Sich Allein or anything like that? There is plenty of documentation of Nazi oppression of ethnic German citizens who opposed the regime. And what's wrong with locking your opponents in camps anyway? Seems like a logical thing to do. You guys are all such fucking pussies."No, the Nazis were nice! They didn't do anything mean like kill their enemies and confiscate their property, they were good boys they dindu nuffin!"
Jeder Stirbt Fuer SIch Allein von Hans Fallada (Rudolf Ditzen)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeder_stirbt_f%C3%BCr_sich_allein_(Roman)Really good book, by an ethnic German nationalist about a German couple who loses their only son on the front during the war.I know you guys probably can't even read German but you read the English translation.
>>521870294>Couple loses their son>Becomes anti-establishment and anti-warWow, incredible. What are the odds?
>>521869716>Jews won. I mean if getting gassed is a win for you I am more than willing to help you win every day.
>>521869716>6 gorillion diedYou can be thrown in prison in some countries for denying this fabrication>but the death count is just symbolic
>>521870412It's a fine piece of German literature and it gives insight into the Nazi period in Germany without getting bogged down in any of the cliches and myths about WWII. It gives you the perspective of a disillusioned German and has nothing to do with Jews or the Holocaust.
The funniest thing about this thread is that despite being Jewish and American, I'm still more German than any of you dorks. Anyway I'm going to go make fun of people who believe Ukraine can still win. Don't forget to read Hans Fallada. You can't be a respectable European identitarian if you can't read the literature of your forefathers.
>>521865755absolutely! There are these places called "concentration camps" where there are gas chambers. and they would build those to kill jews because of their racially motivated hatred against them. this becomes evident in nazi literature such as "Der Giftpilz" which is a virulently antisemitic work that is characteristic of the era. though this culminated in the holocaust, there were also other genocidal actions taken against jews such as the infamous "Reichskristallnacht" where jews were stripped of all their material possessions and rights, or the "Aktion T4" which was also more broadly targeted against disabled people and the like. Not only that, but nazi germany's aggressive, expansionist and militaristic stance was the principal cause which led to WW2 that led to the deaths of well over 100 million people in total.so in conclusion, nazi germany was not only openly antisemitic and genocidal in their motives, but they also acted these motives out, all of which is well documented
>>521865755-Jews were expelled from Europe under Nazi Germany initially, they were persecuted heavily.(ask yourself why..)-the arrogant ones that refused or fought were put into obvious work camps.-allies bombed supply lines and prisoners starved, naturally, there was also typhoid. This only happened at the end of the war, the nazi regime could not have prevented this even if they wanted to. Same thing happened during the US civil war.-all but one camp that was accused of being a death camp turned out to be only work camps-that camp was on the soviet side.-the evidence in that camp does not produce any number close to 6million271k is a generous offerYou dont deserve proof, all the accounts are out there if you go and look
>>521871136LOL, an AI post.It's extremely easy to detect, doofus.
>>521871364i know it sounds like AI but i actually typed all that out without AI. But i have been using too much AI admittedly. Truly, humans have started to type more and more like AI.you can also tell its not AI because of the tiny mannerisms in there. So i would say my post would be "mixed AI and human", but that mixing occurred in my brain :)thank you for your attention to this matter!!
>>521867372I'd say this is an accurate picture of the reality. However, what's missing from this are the executions and massacres conducted by the military after 1940 during the Eastern campaign. I believe that's where the majority of deaths occurred, mostly undocumented. Small villages just lined up, shot with a firing squad, and burned/buried in unmarked graves. Not to mention similar events happening in the Balkans perpetrated by other governments who were sympathetic to the Nazi ideology.I think that's the nightmare that most people don't want to face. The Holocaust wasn't trainloads of people being hauled off to a wacky death circus, it was tens of thousands of innocent people being shot in the back of the head less than a mile from their home.
>>521871731Antipartisan action that went too far. US had their own in Vietnam. But in the middle of a war with a massive frontline, guerilla warfare in your supply lines is stupid not to counter.
>>521871731it's important to note that the mainstream focuses on the holocaust as particularly terrible because it was a racially targeted genocide with the explicit goal of exterminating race, simply because of their race. And because it was a systematic genocide (they developed a system for efficiently exterminating jews). so i am not sure the small acts of evil necessarily qualify for the matter at hand. There's a reason why they always focus on the gas chambers and concentration camps. were it not for that, then the small village killings would be no different than some african war lord killing a neighbouring tribe... So actually yes, its the wacky death circus!
>>521871136Repeating things without asking questions is not evidence.
>>521872831ok. Provide evidence that the sky is blue.
>>521872956Second Jew of the night detected, the other kike must have tapped out. Anyways statements like this that got you people gassed in the first place.
>>521873102Sorry!
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>>521873208It's ok I was kind of a jerk. Sorry.
>>521867786ok parasite. whatever you say parasite . Please take all my money and genes chosen parasite
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>>521873391No worries. it is proper etiquette to be rude here, my nigger.
>>521872231The gas chambers were for delousing. Are you gonna come at with the debunked horseshit about the camps being "death camps" despite that not making a single ounce of sense, and all evidence pointing to the impossibility of such camps being able to kill the number of people claimed to have been killed?
>>521870999Remarkably Based jew bro. Cheers from fellow German amerimutt who is married to sexy half German half jewish girl.
>>521873777Checked. The delousing chambers were sperate and much larger.The "gas Chambers" were completely a post war myth. Who knows if maybe one Jew died in chimical mishandling to inspire the stories.
>>521867328Geez how old are you?
>>521873777it seems that the mainstream claims are exaggerated and misconstrued. But the death camps do make sense and they are a major point of contention upon which the mainstream criticism of the nazis rests. i haven't thoroughly looked into all the debunks, but i know for example that the wooden doors were gas-tight. So it makes no sense to me to bring up that debunk, yet i see it quite frequently. another common point i hear is that the world almanac shows the jewish population number not declining. Yet in that same book it is stated that the numbers are not derived from empirical data but rather they are extrapolated based on the previous trend. Of course the massive dent from the holocaust was not accounted for there. another example is the image of tom (from the cartoon tom and jerry) pointing a gun at himself with a caption about how jews were tricked or forced to kill themselves in cartoonish manners. Yet i couldnt find where that quote was taken from, so i can only assume it was deliberately and fraudulently made up from thin air to discredit the holocaust until proven otherwise. these and many more examples lead me to call into question all the supposed debunks. On top of that, most of them are propagated on an already highly questionable image board. I appreciate the free speech aspect of it, and i admire the courage to stand up against the mainstream. I also hate the government and the anti nazi narrative being pushed. But i see no reason to doubt the holocaust happened the way that the documented sources describe. there are plenty of documents which are all well sourced, though i freely admit that i have read next to none of them. why would i? Who cares? I did read the book "man's search for meaning" and the descriptions all fit perfectly with what the mainstream narrative tells us. Doesn't men that i have to subscribe to the notion that jews are owed 6 gorillion in reparations, it just means that they are not blatantly lying.
>>521874877You need to look deep into the debunks. It gets wild when you learn how much it was exaggerated.
>>521866774Faggot. You are paid way too much.
>>521865755lol. Holoscapades.
>>521866317Wiggle into your hole you slimy jew. Your whole culture is a lie. You worship lies and hate beauty. You will not make it.
>>521869716But you’re losing right now. Literally the entire globe hates jews lmao. Nick Fuentes is fucking surging in popularity and you still have 3 more years of yoyr fake ass trump presidency. You faggots are beyond incompetent. You fumbled the entire game in the first quarter. It didn’t happen. But it should have, and next time it will.
>>521875367i looked into some of the debunks. As i stated, a lot of them are very questionable at best. some are genuine. It seems reasonable to me that the gas chambers being a primary aspect of the holocaust is wildly exaggerated. It's more likely that a lot of jews died from disease and hunger because the germans were losing the war. many if not most of the killings took place outside of the camps. All of this is plausible. However, i would also have to look into all the mainstream and official documents, which is something i am simply unwilling to do, because who fucking cares. i also recognize that holocaust deniers are evidently unwilling to look into the official documents for obvious reasons. But unless i do that, i am in no position to question it. And i know how questioning these things always ends up... The mainstream view ends up being truthful and correct. I looked into flat earth and all of it was wrong, dumb and debunked several times over. holocaust denial is assuredly the same, though it is significantly more plausible than flat earth.the main point is the narrative they are pushing that hitler and the nazis are the devil. This is obviously silly and the jews have a proclivity to see themselves as the victims unlike any other group. So they highlight the holocaust and tell an overly dramatic narrative to paint themselves as the victims. and they hold all the power to push this narrative down everyone's throats. But the receipts are all there. They were indeed genocided by the nazis, and the nazis were not exactly hiding their antisemitism, either. its the framing of it all that makes it so silly, not the facts of the matter which are all well-documented. i understand that questioning the facts can be fun, but you have to remain grounded in the truth and recognize what it's really all about. They are brainwashing the masses into this generational guilt when in reality what we should be doing is amplify our hate against them.
>>521867158during covid? Germany was printing "oh woe is me" stories. The *huge* public crying was because they had a thousand human bodies a day to cremate, and it was impossible!So... who's shitting who. I smell major shit.
>>521865755Bananas in Pajamas on Ice
>>521865755no. proof: jews lie about everything else.
