For the first time since the production of the French Leclerc main battle tank shutting down in 2008, Europe has a production line making new main battle tanks with new hulls. For decades, Europe has relied on upgrading and reworking old tank hulls. It is the first production of a new Leopard 2 hull since 1992. About 3600 Leopard 2 tanks have been produced since 1979.Orders for the new Leopard 2A8 are coming from Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Norway, Slovakia, Sweden, Croatia and the Netherlands.
>>521903999New wunderwaffe? Will it save the Ukraine this time dear nazis?
>>521904088mindbroken mongol
I like tanks. My question is how much point is it in having them today?Look at the flagships The US sent to Ukraine. They got all blown up by drones and so does everything else. I dont see how a tank in todays modern warfare is lucerative or an investment at all.But they look cool tho.
>>521903999trump needs to bring everyone togetherhttps://youtu.be/j9EyhYt2TeI
>>521903999what happened to the other leopard tanks?
>>521903999Nice drone targets
New K2PL mogs germshit weaponsMain problem of germshit tank is that its production is scattered through yourope so you have this massive lag on production. Germs can make 50 tanks a fucking year while ukraine loses several to dozen tanks daily. We can make 200 tanks if we shift manpower. Yourope is finished.
>>521903999Gets mogged by a $500 toy from aliexpress. Next wunderwaffle, please.
>>521903999Oh but enjoy your lowered QoL due to these worthless scraps of junk, btw.Gotta live worse to pwn le ruZZians,after all.
>>521904372Why would worst korea need tanks?
>>521904224Fast small nimble tanks with gun capable of shooting HE are still viable imho. Big expensive and overengineered tanks focused on tank vs tank warfare are not. Level of protection doesn't really matter, sooner or later it will get droned and disabled. It needs to get in, do it's job and then get out asap.
>>521904525https://youtu.be/Bp8NLpSPSBw?si=xLrbmcMR296_sdTiBecause Kim Chung eun has 1.8 million standing army an 10 million reserve army. Ukrainian war is a kids playground compared to our numbers.
>>521904224The US sent ~30 M1A1SA tanks, with it's depleted uranium upgrade removed. Those are from pre-1992 production lines, so flagships they are not at all.Tanks are necessary and still used by both sides. Russia for example lost over 4200 tanks in only 3.5 years time, but they are still producing about 250 T-90M tanks a year because they understand their necessity in the field.>>521904577Everything military gets destroyed or goes to waste, that's war. Good protection saves the crew, who when they survive can mount a new tank or train the next crew.
>>521903999easily destroyed by a $1000 drone lol
>the you're-peeing thinks the tanks will actually go into service
>>521904683Best Korea wants peace, and worst korea wants to turn women into whores. I guess you are worried about the sex trade
>>521904088Cyka bliat, its enough to kill another million of russians, no problem;)
>>521904790>immediately thinks of sex and womenUr incelAnd Kim jung eun hates incels. 2bh.
>>521903999Europe is too weak to be relevent.
>>521903999Tanks are irrelevant.
>>521904896That is what life is, zogbot. Are you even korean?
>>521905101Shut up incel
>>521904314The older variants are in service with some of the poorer European countries, and in Canada, Chile and Indonesia. The later variants in the richer European countries. About 3500 of the tanks are currently in service somewhere. 100 tanks in various versions were donated to Ukraine
Boring struggle session, also false.
>>521904372T.shit tankOk moron kimchi spastic. If you pull out that vase out your ass for a second so you can think clear.Kraus Maffei builds the tank to beat the tank the russians build to defeat the leo 2s to ukraine. You on the other hand build a crapy m1 knock off with no room to improve. Not only is your tank worse then a m1 its spect down. Russians have destryed and captured m1s in mass and are studing them in detail. Its same situation with soviets and pooland all over again. While they ride in T80s poolacks get t72m1s at best. Same goes for the kpop tank and the pop stands not for music. You cant compeate because its a scam product with zero future.
>>521905158How's Humphreys right now, mutt?
>>521903999>be tank>get blown up by dronegg
>>521903999>1 tank variant from shitmany
>>521904224Just use nets made of fishing lines and suspend them above the tanks. Attach some weights for rigidity and tension. They are hard to spot, wont usually be cut by the blades of a cheap drone and they dont cost anything to produce. You could secure entire forests and FOBs with long stretches of fishing line nets. Using memecages just wont cut it.
>>521905230>Be tank>have modern aps>blow drones out the skyCheck mate
>>521903999Tanks are absolutely useless with modern warfare. 50 drone can demolished it with no chance of survival and it is still be financially very double so use even hundred drone for one battle tank
>>521904224APS is your friend.Same shit was said back in 60s and 70s when atgms did show up.Then ECM was added, composit armour and tanks are and will be still around.Nothing at the moment out reaches, out sensors and out manouvers a tank. When you have something that cant out perform a tank in all aspects you can talk about replacing it.
>>521905214It's not even remotely based on M1. Ur talking about K1 tank. Also the new k2pl variant has anti drone capabilities like hard, and soft drone kill system. K2PL is almost has the same performance as your shitty tank but half price. None of yourope wants your tank. Your shit contracted with Hungary to give them 44 tanks in 2018 but gave them 1 tank. ONE in 6 years. Kek.
>>521904704I still would not have been inside a tank in a warzone tho. Its so much about cost and if it is worth it considering how much damage a tank can do versus something else. Lets say you have the price of a tank, and then soldiers with Javelins for the same price and the amount of Javelins you can have for the price for a tank. Or drones for the price of a tank.>>521905395Yeah the nets seem to work tho. But then again, I still think its a big risk compared to what they could have done with the money it cost to buy one.
>>521903999You guys can send one to my house, I will drive and test it and even tell people ow much I like it. I will silk screen your business name on the side and drive it around town advertising it.
>>521905616But what if I would like to buy a tank. I dont know what they cost but they are expensive. But I also have the option of the amount of drones for the same price, or Javelins, or something else. I still dont see how a tank with cost can be lucerative in this time and day.
>>521903999Tanks are shit
>>521903999>let's restart production of 20-30 year old machines because that's how long we've lagged behind in technology leadershipDeprecated by drone warfare.
>>521905618T.triggerd kimchi niggerShit knock off tank of a mediocer system.Keep raging. You are the t34 in a world where leo2a8s and m1a3/4 rule and are needed. It gets even sader when you know that pooland wanted leo2s and m1s domesticly made but where denied because they are a security liability. We know the tank is shit because poolacks cant keep a secreat.
>>521905806Pooland wanted Leos but you can't give them leos the amount they wanted anyways. Now they will be producing k2pl and begin selling tanks to neighboring countries.No one will buy your shitass tank. And when will your cunt deliver the wunderwaffen? In 2050?
>>521905806>in a world where leo2a8s and m1a3/4 rule and are neededIn a bizzarro world?
>>521905745Because its faster has longer range see further and has means to blow the drones and javlins out of the sky. While no other weapon system can offer the same beneffits. Inf cant, they get fuckt by plastic bees and rapet by the king of the battlefield without the means for defense.Air can go and fuck them selfs, they cant hold the ground they bomb. Not mention they get fuckt by drones even harder in future. Just wait for loitering sam systems. A drone with a strella or stinger in mass hovering like mines or some other crazy stuff.
>>521903999This should not make you happy, nigger. They just passed the military Schengen for free movement of all EU military through other countries when they call a state of emergency. They started reinforcing important infrastructure like bridges for heavy military machinery. Rheinmetall AG is predicting 500% increase in revenue in 5 years. All this is screaming out loud the European theater of war will not end with Ukraine. What's the gameplay? Which country is gonna get destroyed next?
>>521905945Keep dreaming kimchi nigger. Your scam is exposed.
>>521905745You got scammed by germs. Buying the germ tanks are the worse you could've done. If Ukrainian wars stop tomorrow, germ poltician will immediately go back sucking puzin cock for gas while stopping tank production. Enjoy rising cost of maintenance
>>521906059Pooland. Its a designated shitting zone allready. Battle plans are drawn.
>>521903999>no hedgehog armorUseless larp desu
>>521906142Anything less than this is drone fodder on the modern battle field.
>>521906059Big nothing burger.Just posturing.
yes, we saw the famous leopardinos bros all are rekt
>>521906012cope
>>521903999I do not get why you guys need those anyway.who on earth are going to invade you? :D
>>521903999Just two more tanks
>>521906479America, they are broke and need to steal gold.
>>521903999You just need millions of theseTanks are dinosaurs
>>521906122T. Only armourd threat is best koreans t34/85Cools story. While in the real world every one plays in world champions leage fighting the best your in some regional leage facing off the disabeld retarded children and prepare for that. Wow what confidence. So while europeans tank manufactures have to face off and account for the best you are? Right kimchi nigger. Scam on.>>521906094
>>521905664>cost, moneypeacetime thinking, anon. Besides, if you blast like 6 guys you already made good on your tank. the cost-benefit of a fighting age civilian in the west is valued at about 3-5 million $/€. russians are worth less and thats reflected in their suicidal tank designs
>>521906762Same qas said about atgms and tanks got better. Looks more like all the at4s faggots and javlins get replact by that.
>>521906862lol why is it a scam when we received 0 complaints from pooland. Also we know you germ shit meddled in when Norway was deciding to buy k2 or germ tank. You and France play dirty.. I guess importing browns makes you act brown as well innit
>>521906930And they were right then too. ATGMs won, objectively. Even modern Russian hulls got rekt by a 84mm.
>>521906326Do you not follow the news? Trump's big board of PEACE means the MIC is exiting the middle east and they gonna start rebuilding, because there's 100x more money to be gained. They will prolong war in the European theater.
>>521903999>French Leclerc main battle tankI wonder how the Leclerc will fare against Auchan drones and Carrefour self-propelled artillery
Watch some videoshttps://lostarmour.info/newsWe are in the age of Drone Warfare & Electronic Warfare
>>521903999Great, now go and die for the US Jews/neocons, you Zogbot shill.
>>521906993>lol why is it a scam when we received 0 complaints from pooland.Kek because pooland then would have to admit that they are shit at assembling and wasted billions in tax money. Kek your slippery slope wont work. You aint building the scam tank they do and are responsible for everything them self.
>>521906059of course it sucks that we're going to war (again). At least we have relatively professional armies. the volkssturm tier ukrainian army has been holding off russia very well and weakened them a lot. Our armies can probably continue on a voluntary basis and win. People tend to forget that combined, Europe has a significantly larger standing army than the USA - especially on land. Europe has been shifting to more defense focus but still in the context of a normal civilian industry, and is actually outproducing the USA in things like shells, artillery, IFVs etc. It's good to have a cool tank and produce them in numbers again. We need a strong defense industry in Europe war or no war.The timing sucks, but ultimately it's good for the USA to leave Europe.
>>521907370lmaoThey can always order more and we can send them immediately. While germ tanks is assembled by med people so it's going to take billion years to make it. Anyways what's a definition of scamming here? Sending one tank in 6 years or sending several hundreds of tanks and howitzers in 2 years? Now you talk like a pajeet.
>>521904088We will send them in Budapest first to overthrown your pro Zigger regime
>>521907465>we're going to war>Our armiesYou are still thinking at the lowest possible level. Wake up, buddy, it's not the individual governments, not even the EU calling the shots. There's no us vs them. Good lord this is why it's so easy for them
>>521903999Epic we producing 80s tech in 2025
>>521904929india is an open sewer
>>521906059>What's the gameplay?Slovakia is finally gonna get what it deserve
>>521906296>gameplay footage of a mmorpg WT in development
>>521903999>LithuaniaHow many, 1?
>>521903999BRAVO!!. Let's see how it ends.
>>521905428>>be tank>>get blown up by Fiber optic drones or drone swarm
>>521903999>tanks>in the age of remote minning systemsI know that there are worse ways to die, but come on.t. Armoured infantry (tinnitus boys)
>>521908105
>>521908239Wronghttps://youtu.be/MzfAx2NNIy8?si=5AkmMLPLABIuyNlR
>>521908105No, thanks, we are not interested in walking into this shithole of city again. If EU will attack Russia(again) every single russian will demand drop nukes on eupidors, not march towards them in conventional war. Generations of russian scientists and engineers created nukes, exactly for this purpose, to erase europidors if they attack Russia.
A load of shit. In other words. The drone has rendered it obsolete no matter how much armour it adds. Drone just adds more explosive. Until it comes up with anti drone guns. It hasn't. Go back to the drawing board.What use is that exactly? Explain yourself. Do you see an Anti drone gun. But you're selling it? It's crap.
>>521908394It's been 3 years hohols bombing your shithole and invaded parts of kursk with nato help. Where's the generational nuuukes
>>521908356You might as well post marvel capeshit if your counterargument is a CGI marketing trailer lmfao. Go win your frozen conflict with your wunderwaffe if its so great. Oh wait your tfr is collapsing and your society is functionally dead.
>>521908817>a company ad is all fake!!And you believe earth is flat, epstein files don't exist etc.>ur basedciety is collapsing!!!I can still go out at 2 pm to a convenience store without fearing niggers and crackers. Kys. And when did polniggers cared about society. Cringe faggot.
>>521904755nope the APS on it shoots down drones >>521908239fiber optics has no impact on APS retardkun>drone swarmbuzzword and nothing more
>>521908817>>521909086since in the CGI it's still is trophyhere you go niggashttps://youtu.be/2L9ys82cYKI?t=45snon CGI test footage
>>521903999Drone Bento Box. Open the lid for yummy snacks inside.
>>521907545You wont do shit this time either, you are a bunch of coward cucks. We will loot you and then slit your throats
>>521908394ecли нaдo пoвтopим
>>521903999baguette drone magnet just dropped comes equipped with an automatic deployed white flag
>>521903999lol
EU fags can only choose one
>>521903999Drone fodder
>>521905395I think the landkreuzer will be the future and those who laughed at le heckin wonder waffle will feel like chimps when the first LandKreuzer rolls out and completely replaces the tank.Germany was right. Hitler was right. The Waffenamt was right.Land battleships are the future. The Germans didnt have the tech to bring them to fruition but their intuition was completely correct.Today we have the technology to roll giant slabs of steel across the fields of Europe, resistant to drone, artillery, and land mines in ways tanks simply are not.The U.S. will not adopt this. It will demand an innovative military mind.We have the engines, the resources, the armor technology.
So what rank will this be in war thunder?
>nothing against drones>not crewlessIs this a joke?
>>521908105>Ukrainian and Chechen raise an anti national globalist flag over Germany>russians consider this a victory for Russia, a country that was at war with both Ukraine and Chechnya three times in the past three decades
>>521910587yesseeing you vile khazars get prolapsed to death greatly amuses us actual Humansnow do a flip, faggot
>>521903999doesnt look like itd last a second in the zone
>>521904050Look at the cloud of black smoke, why aren't these European subhumans saving the environment? Where are the electric tanks?
>>521903999jej drone fodder
>>521903999cool, can't wait to see the five a year they're going to produce get absolutely ratfucked by RC planes off aliexpress
>>521903999The White tiger roars!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ukraine will not be forsaken, we must save them from the orcs.
>>521903999Checked
>>521903999Who would win in a fight?TankvsMolotov
>>521903999That's cool, but tanks are obsolete on the modern battle field.
>>521911499look at his "smile": that's a pedosmileand on most of the pictures where the desertraitor mandon "smiles", he's actually doing a pedosmileand all our other "colonels" and "generals" are freemasons too: coincidence?also, he says we have to be prepared for our children to die, and to be stolen from a lot more to pay for his "army"well, French children are already dying, killed by rabid enrichment, pedofag networks, and enriching mafiaand the price of everything has already doubled, because we rile up rusgolians and help them dirty fucking khazarsbut that vile fucking "general" mandon animal did jack shit against thatwhich makes him a deserter and a traitor; a most vile ultracriminalie not exactly less vile than his owner, traitor micron, the sodomite kingletand it's the same for everyone under him: you see a deserting and traitorous cop or military suffer, you'd better rejoicebecause you can be sure those vile fucking deserting and traitorous animals deserved it, through and through, and then some
>>521911710Depends how big the moltov is and what envoirment the tank is in.
>>521907545everywhere else in Europe has a pro Nigger regime
>>521908394You should test one on London.
>>521910927How would the Bob Semple do?
>>521914837There would be plenty of samples everywhere for study.
>>521907682>slovackscome at me bro
>>521910587the APS is against drones
>>521904376this and it doesn't even have any hedgehog spikes so it's already obsolete.
>>521919507>The future of war
>>521919593nice, new scoutcar just dropped
>>521903999theyre not building underground rheinmetall factories. this is bad preparation for the upcoming war. were again lead by incompetent morons and its going to be a disaster.we must be quick because america left us to die. witht he politicians we have it will be death only.
americans first disarm everyone, then attack russia (it was the euros trust me on that one)then tell us to build more guns.these americans have always been and will always be a bunch of maniacal psychopaths.who are going to tell me that its some magic jew sitting in a cloud forcing them to do all this hahahah.YOU BASTARDS FUCK YOU!be aware that when we open a western front im going to hunt you manlets down.
>>521906141yes, the kikes are going to false-flag an attack on Poland to draw them into war with Russia, the signs are all there and I don't just mean all the (((memeflag))) made predictive programming threads here on /pol/, they have already engineered the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukie and Russian goyim through the actions of their ZOG in Kiev and now they salivate at the thought of thousands of Polish goyim getting killed in phase 2 of the war they created
>>521904088kek
>>521921708i will take good care of mexican manlets with my knife.
>>521910587Bro we are sitting on trillions in obsolete equipment. We just can't say it's obsolete and start doing something new. Our entire advantage is gone. But best be sure we are going to ignore it like the general of the first world war who endlessly sent waves of meat against machine gunAll that's needed to nullify our vast airpower is a mass produced drone with an air to air missile
>>521921891he will get a grin over his entire face ;3
>>521921891they will just say that its all not operational and you must go to the front by foot, retard so i can massacre you.
>>521909994You lost like every war you've ever fought, your fucking tiny and poor. Why are you yapping?Also lmao, first thing that comes to a hungarians mind is stealing '''Looting'''' Lel
>>521904224The only thing that can reliably beat a tank is another tank. Countermeasures exist against drones, smartbombs, and ATGMs but the only thing that protects from a direct fire cannon on treads is armor, preferably on it's own treads with it's own cannon. People complain about the short life of tanks and crews in the field but ignore that modern tank's combat life is measured in days, compared to hours during WWII.This also brings up the question of what is a tank? Are casemate tanks real tanks? Tanks with missiles? Tanks armed only with missiles? Is that still a tank? Anyway, cool on Fritz for restarting hull production. It shows demand and those are some sweet looking machines.
>>521903999Thats gonna be a fantastic target for drones.
>>521921472Think how much easier it would be to defend W. Europe if every city in W.Europe wasn't swarming with brownoid rapists and terrorists siphoning up ever increasing amounts of our tax payments. Not least because as it stands we've got nothing to fucking defend. Why would any white man fight to protect mosques and rape gangs and fat she-nog's and their welfare dependent broods?
>>521903999>EUROPE HAS TANKS AGAINNot for long
>>521921994>>521921922Imagine building tanks or any armored vehicle in 2025. Lmao. Yes. Just like the idiots in world war 1 who couldn't comprehend machine guns.I'm too old for service. I don't worry about it. Maybe I'll be mobilized into a militia unit at most to drive a truck
>>521906862Best Korea has the new Chonma 2. They call it an indigenous design, but it's still Soviet derived. It's arguably the most advanced soviet heritage tank. Worst Korea does need decent tanks, maybe we'll get to see some K1/K2 on Chonma action someday, but I think it's more likely that both Koreas will have to fight off China at some point.
>>521910472
>>521903999>shut down nuclear power plants>restart tank productionAnyone that has ever played a Real Time Strategy game knows that the side with the most abundant energy and resources wins. Germany has sky high energy prices, and it's of their own doing. They can never be competitive on the battlefield because they simply do not have the ability to produce armaments in sufficient quantity. Germany is going to get 120 tanks. A bunch of other countries are signed up for 40 tanks each. This is nothing. These are meaningless numbers. Russia builds 300 T-90 tanks a year and refurbishes even more older models. Germany does not have the industrial capacity to build a real tank fleet. If you can only build 120 tanks then it's not even worth it. You should save the money and buy fiber optic guided drones instead.The Leopard 2A8 isn't a real military procurement project, it's just a way to keep Germany's military industrial complex on life support a little longer for political reasons.
>>521923232It looks pretty good. It's as if Abrams raped Armata and this guy was born.
>>521923874Yeah, they definitely learned why and how to build an armored bustle to prevent turret tossing. The missile launchers are interesting and IIRC it has radar because radar is becoming standard on tanks. Definitely some ride or die hardware. I hope we get to see it in action, even if just at the Tank Biathlon.
>>521923738>its of their own doingblowing up your pipeline then come to tell you this.the americans muttify half the planet and blame it on some jews, pipelines were the euros themselves. the euros actually blew themselves up is what they said about ww2.must be some mindbending drugs some of these people consume or its just them being absolute retards like 1 piece of toast is smarter than this guy. holy shit.teach that toast to talk yields better results.
americans are always lying and are disingenius. you cannot make friends like this. youre probably on your own now, you can carry canada or somsing like zhat and take the australians with you. youre all perfect to crawl each other up your disingenius asses.>uhhh numba won im so white
>tanks>ww3it's all so tiresome
>>521924476I love it especially when they talk shit about us being flooded with Muslims when it was fucking THEM who forced our conservative government in 61 to let in the cunning Turk shits in exchange for rockets they could aim at the fucking imperialist commies THEY allied with to rape half our country. Clueless mutilated kike servants.
>>521924701They serve only one master.
i dont know what these fucking idiots are thinking, they go to someone tell him all kinds of lies, they know it lies everybody knows its lies then they act like this is a friendship.this maybe works in the anglo american culture but it is not compatible with the entire rest of the world and you numbnuts just wont fucking understand this.
>>521903999New dronebait just dropped!!!!
you act out insane ways of contrarianism and pull this whole thing so far as to bombing people into dust who dont follow your stupid fucking bullshit. this is some hardcore shit, youre insane.
>>521923738>These are meaningless numbers. Russia builds 300 T-90 tanks a year and refurbishes even more older models.Russia has only produced six confirmed t-90s in 2025. They're armored production lines are collapsing, partly from sanctions and energy costs, partly because they keep conscripting engineers. Uralvagonzavad just furloughed or laid off half their staff. It's ogre for the Russians, for all the reasons you wrote about for Germany. The Germs really need to uncork themselves, though, because Russia is still a threat to them. >>521924802baawwww shouldn't have tried to take over Europe twice. Focus on making nice hardware and reopening those nuclear piles.
>>521924998>Focus on making nice hardware and reopening those nuclear piles.And Auschlanders Raus
now that you fucked up civilization you still double down on all this fucking bullshit, youre no longer mentally well, americans.
>>521924998>muh evil Nazis trying to take over Europe you nigger loving cucks are so goddamn dense it hurts
schmelon and his cronies all come off as insane too. these insane people are going to drag everyone down this cliff of their insanity. this is simple logic.nobody is going to stop them.
>>521905616>apsSo something that exhausts itself on the first couple of $500 drones and lets the next 8 through.>ECMFiber optics says helloIt could take 20 drones to kill one tank and the side using the drones would have only lost thousands of dollars compared to the $40 million dollar tank that just got wasted.
>>521903999But you guys told me that tanks were obsolete?
>>521924998Actually it's just because there is no point to tanks. They can't be massed. They can't hide from drones. There is literally no point at all. Build a special one to resist drones? Well they will just send more drones.Russia is all in on fiber optic drones. Like thousands every month being made and the results are starting to show in the battlefield. To advance they just send a few guys forward to capture a building or trench line after it's been through bombed by drones.It even has a name. Its called mosquito tactics. 3 men can literally captures 10 miles 10 square kilometers
they wont be able to face this in their insane heads. these people are sick.
>>521925211What if we were to strap niggers to the outside of tanks? Would that help?
>>521924998theres no nuclear coming if anything we reopen coal mining. radon in the water is no joke i dont know how you feel about alpha radiation in the water but this is not so good my friend.all that energy will come out of your ass with a tumor quick when we keep this going, but maybe radioactive radiation is not so harmful, maybe we can eat it like candy! what do i know!
>>521904431TZD is non-negotiableTrue Hitleric pan-Europeanism requires the genocide of all slav-mongols from Muscovia.
>>521908356>>521908817to counter the counter:merge Metal Storm System with cruise missile make cruise missile fly low to avoid detection when close enogh to target ascend to ballistic curve, at top aim and shoot metal storm projectilesmake metal storm use projectiles from XM25 CDTE ???profit
>Europe is forced to awaken from its peaceful slumberThere will come a day when the AEE's (Aryan European Empire) tanks will march over Washington and liberate the grateful Americans from ZOG. Intellectuals will ask "how could this happen" and realize this day was the day it all started.
>>521924802based
>>521924128>Tank BiathlonKek. Is anyone else watching this outside of Russia?
>>521904088Nope. One drone will knock it out.
>>521904372Russia is making 400 brand new tanks a year and has been upgrading loads of T80.
Boomers are morons. They will import millions of brown people to drive in there too.
>>521904431>Oh but enjoy your lowered QoL due to these worthless scraps of junk, btw.Incredible lack of self awareness. Many such cases with ziggers.
any AFV without ten layers of cope cages will explode once droned. ukraine recently canceled germany's offer for more leopard 2a6 tanks because one drone is all it takes to knock it out (just hit the engine bay) and then you spend half a year repairing it for millions. they are utterly useless.
>>521928245Neither of these things are true btw
>>521927726yeahwhat a shit show
aw yeah, time to go play war thunder
>>521925097Ja>>521925143>you nigger loving cucks are so goddamn dense it hurtsKeep sobbing, Hans.>>521925208>muh ECM proof dronesHow many kilowatts of additional energy can that drone's circuits handle? >>521925211Armored pillbox on treads with big power source will never, ever go out of style. >>521925218>tanks can't be massedWe've got a live on here, frens.Look up "maneuver warfare".How were you getting radon in the water from nuclear plants? That's far more likely coming from decomposing granite.
>tanks in 21st centuryngmi
>>521927726I heart tank biathlon. Closest to animu girltonks IRL.
>>521903999why would you unironically invest on steel coffins?
gotta get Europe ready for the "WAR TO END ALL GOYS", no chance some internal border war between the Russians and Ukrainians can be considered a settled matter, no we have to kick off WORLD WAR 3 after that's wound down, can't let the last few young Whites in Europe get away with living and not dying, just wouldn't seve jewish interests to do that
>>521919593>The Cars that ate Parismovie is absolut unit tier kino.
>>521930531>How many kilowatts of additional energy can that drone's circuits handle? Kek, what are they gonna do, install a giant tesla coil on the roof of the tank?
>>521903999Russia has been producing tanks and its the strongest European army by far.
>>521919593Based
>>521904088Aren't you liberals supporting Ukraine?
>>521931619>what are they gonna do, install a giant tesla coil on the roof of the tankAESA antenna, fren. This is the 21st century
it will be so fucken funny when in 3 to 5 years /pol/ finds out what the real reason for UKR-RU shenanigans was.you know no-thing and are frying your brains over these non issues, just as the yids divide and conq tactics pupeteer you todelectableoh so yummythe glowniggers really know how to make you dance and the fact that every thread gets to bumplimit affirms thisnjoy
>>521932170>AESA antennaThat is never going to be mounted on MBTs and probably not even IFVs. They'd need dedicated generators and hardware that would take up shitloads of space to power and operate(+ dedicated operators). Not to mention it's directional and drones can just attack from multiple angles and exploit the blindzones.
>>521932351>what the real reason for UKR-RU shenanigans was.To destroy Europe.Everyone here is retarded so it's easy.
>>521903999>investing in tanks>post hohol-Ivan drone warslol - like investing in horses after World War 1
>>521907532>Q3_FATALITY.wav
>>521909428trophy helps but it would quickly be overwhelmed by drones. It has like 2-4 rounds ammo per side of the tank.
>>521903999sa va fut in gura de broaste lase cu pula lui tac'tu
>>521910472you need squats (ie genetically engineered super smart rabid superhumans, coached by tremendous ai) or technomages (close enough, just cruder) to build such thingsbest you'll have is streetshitting monkeys coached by jews kvetching at how much it (holo)costs over their shoulders, and the crap being built by dirty chinks who'll con you into building it out of pig iron, lol
>>521914837the gretchins will survive long enough for a wrangler to have to whip communism out of them
Everyone saying APS will blow up drones hasn't been paying attention to Ukraine. It only works under very limited circumstances, and only against larger drones. Your $600 AliExpress drone is enough to disable it's APS, then you can send in your $2000 AliExpress drones to blow it up completely.People are also acting as if blowing up an AliExpress drone is the same as sinking an aircraft carrier. The cost in bullets, supply chain and fuel to shoot down a single AliExpress drone with APS is more than the cost of the drone. If your $300 drone fails and you want to send more, just wait till the start of the month and AliExpress does it's choice day, order 20 for 5k, and that'll be more than enough to blow up the $38 million dollar tank.Drones are deadly not only because they're superior, they're literally cheap children's toys being sold by a kitschy Chinese app.
>>521903999we ordered 44 of them, I really hope nobody has 44 drones
>>521903999Germans are slow but least they trying now.
>>521934885it has 1 automatic reload per side+1 storage bin for manual reloads on each side although from experience in the IDF the crews carry a lot more than that yeah sure you can overwhelm any defense if you put enough resources to itbut even with the massive amounts of drones used in ukraine it's almost never that many in quick succession to overwhelm it
>>521935949lmao same
>>521935949>>521936262anons, I...
>>521932693>That is never going to be mounted on MBTs and probably not even IFVsAESA antenna are already being mounted on armored vehicles for drone and shot detection. Abrams, at least, have plenty of power to drive high voltage applications. It's just a software issue, ask a Growler pilot what they did in the sandbox.
>>521935861This entire discussion is because Slavs are genetically constrained from practicing proper maneuver warfare. We're going to have an entire generation of flying murderbot meta for games, fiction and military planning while ignoring the actual emerging meta.
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>>521906993that tank of yours has a good chance of having it turret popped, the ring is directly showing,apart from that it might be fine
>>521903999Digits!> It is the first production of a new Leopard 2But we already know they are shit.
>>521904704>lost over 4200 tanksLololololololololol!
>>521937916Unironic, one of those things with a 2000 watt motor, a 100 volt 50amp battery and a second person operating a fire arm is not to underestimate for quick hit and runsGood luck catching twi niggers on a board that goes 80mph
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>>521939239if you went 80mph on that thing they would just wait for a minute till you fall and cripple yourself
>>521939515paris out lawed them, not because of the propaganda about them "littering the trottoirs" but because magebrians started to use them as disposable vehicles for crimes
>>521939239particularly if left unsupervised indoors
>>521939566Nah, mine runs on a 50/30, with a 1000 watt and a tuned controller going 40mph. They are surprisingly easy to manoeuver at high speeds
>>521939649parisian sodomites vooted for itwhich isn't surprising, because there hasn't ever been a single Human in that godsforsaken shitholeeven an actual Human going into paris leaves his Human card at its gates, and eventually only gets it back if he destroys enough of these vile creatures, or else just leaves uncorrupted
>>521936075The AESA plates can be destroyed easily and the system can't respond to simultaneous attacks, nor can it handle top attacks.
>>521939743Sure, if you fire a battery with a broken bms and too much amp it is as well a pretty much high powered improvised incendiary explosive. Though expensive, but a 1.5 kwh battery going boom is not to underestimate
>>521939875I get it. The arab, cechnyan and slavic Alpha kids here started to use them as get away vehicles after robberies. I cant stop smiling seeing the little snot noses running with them around like a band of mongolian raiders
>>521939953and that's a good thingALL FAGCYCLISTS SHALL BE DESTROYED ON SIGHT
>>521937607Show pics of it. It really doesn't matter, whatever counter-measure they come up with to protect the 40million dollar rolling coffin, drones will always be way cheaper and more efficient than the counter-measures and you can just spam them until the counter is exhausted.
>>521939649technically, it was because they unbridled them, and where killing themselves old cunts by riding at 100kph on sidewayswhich was a good thing: the less parisian and other urban sodomites, the better a planet it'll beALL FAGCYCLISTS SHALL BE DESTROYED ON SIGHT
>>521940533>themselves old cunts*themselves and old cuntsALL FAGCYCLISTS SHALL BE DESTROYED ON SIGHT
>>521939877because it's AESA it's pretty resistant to damage it's mostly resistant to small arms fire but even when it's hit with anti materiel rifles it usually remains functional(although with reduced capabilities) pic related hamas attempt to disable the radar (censored the hole)simultaneously attack from one side is unlikely like again you can overwhelm anything and it works against top down attacks
>>521940533>>521940635I agree on fagcyclist to be killed, but the e-scooter drivers are not fagcyclists, they hate with a passion. Imagine being on a vehicle able to do over 50 kmh but the road is full of side by side driving fagcycle drivers going 15kphAnd the prohibition was really due to them being cheap, easily disposed, not really identifiable and the perfect vehicle for crime in a city. The cops on food, too slow, the cops in car, cant get into the alley
And in the context of the thread.Mobile two tea drone operators on an e-scooter for a city terrain or on a e-bike dirtbike. Silent and versatile. They can get away from enemy drones. The tank or armored vehicle dudes, too slow, to cumbersome
>>521903999>ZOMG EVROPA IS RISING AAAAAAACool, are these tanks pro-Africanoid or anti-European?>oops it's bothMaybe if you guys toppled minarets and emptied mosques as efficiently as you do with football clubs and mod-right political organizations, you'd be in a better spot by far.>MUH ZIIIIIIGGERRRRRZDon't care, didn't ask, you're brown or import browns lol
>>521903999What a waste of fucking money lmao!
>>521921609and us Americans will be a continent away laughing about your FPV drone death vidya while you defend democracy in ukraine
>>521940865>the e-scooter drivers are not fagcyclistsyes, they areAND ALL FAGKEKLISTS SHALL BE DESTROYED ON SIGHT>Imagine being on a vehicle able to do over 50 kmh but the road is full of side by side driving fagcycle drivers going 15kpheasyI overtake them, as fast and loud as possible, blasting brutal death metal (I generally am), as close as possible, and aiming my trajectory as a hypotenuse that ends as close to the front of their column as possiblenever fails to make them shake, kvetch and tard wrangle their arms, lol
>>521942074it's not real money, anonjust printed rotschild fiatit's real inflation because of it, though
>>521936075>although from experience in the IDF the crews carry a lot more than thatWEBM RELATED
>>521942171By your logic a biker on a 600cc is a fagcylistwhat don't you understand about the difference of being limited by your ability of your body to transform kinetic and biological energy into a forward motion and using a motor
>>521942336it's fake retard
>>521909803Show me a video of a drone being taken out by an aps.
>>521904577There's a rumor that the war in Ukraine is about to go through a dramatic shift in tactics as the entire front line collapses. The Russians have been mustering large numbers of armor for a big fast moving assault once the Ukrainians are deemed to be weakened enough. The premise is that if the front can rush ahead fast enough the Ukrainians won't be able to set up the necessary logistics for defending with artillery or even drones. So if that's true we may see a return to WWII tactics from the current WWI tactics. But only temporarily. I personally look forward to a return of Odessa and the creation of a strong corridor to TRansnistrian allies of Russia. This will cut off Ukraine's access to the sea. Pay the transit fees bitch.
>>521942677it's literally there in the post you replied to
>>521942447>By your logic a biker on a 600cc is a fagcylistcertainly notthose are proper superstraightcyclists (except if they're on a harley, or such things that don't bend in curves, in which case, they very much are fagcyclists: particularly faggy fagcyclists, even)>your ability of your body to transform kinetic and biological energy into a forward motionI have no problem if you're doing that in the woods (as long as you don't bugger other pypo), or on an airbikebut on the road?noin that case, you're a fagcyclistand FAGCYCLISTS SHALL BE DESTROYED ON SIGHT
>>521942808>big ass prop drone that can't change directionsNo I want to see a tiny quadcopter getting destroyed when it's attacking from above.
>>521942947their rcs is smaller than an armed fpv drove so they are a harder target and it's not like these fpv drones are fast compared to regular AT munitions so yeah
>>521931079The British politco class are *all* ranting about Ukraine today. A lot of globalists, leftist types insisting we must all stand up to Putler without depending upon USA and le ebil orange man. Lol. Imagine being so deluded about the state of the UK that you think we can be war-ready.
>>521943127So you can't, got it.
>>521942853>except if they're on a harleyAgree, cruiser driver are the gaylords of the road, only a tick lower than fagcyclist>not on a roadI beat a ford fiesta or some smart easily in an uphill with the e-scooter, and my ability to bend into a curve at high speed beats every car
>>521922241Drones have made tanks completely obsolete. None of the cope counters really work
>>521943227>I beat a ford fiesta or some smart easily in an uphill with the e-scooter, and my ability to bend into a curve at high speed beats every caryou're only going to impress me if you beat the same opponent in a joustgo on, faggot: have at it
>>521943200there isn't one publicly you're acting like it's a gotcha when it isn't
>>521906059even if the war ends, eurocommies will be mad that they cant use their fresh new goyim slayer gear so they will start some another war either way
>>521943677It's not a gotcha you just can't. Especially your fucking radar cross section cope. If you think a fucking lithium battery with some copper coils on its tips is easier to track than a 10 foot wing span propeller drone you're gigga fucking retarded. Enjoy my finger slop.
>>521906993>importing browns makes you act brown as well innitworse, they're jewed to the core
>>521908394its funny because all the radiated clouds will go your direction
>>521903999The Leopard 2 is a truly beautiful tank. It looks just right. Now that the age of the tank has ended due to drones, I think we can all agree that the Leopard 2 was the apex predator when it comes to tanks.Yes it's overengineered like all things German. It still is the tankies tank that ever tanked.
>>521940767>when it's hit with anti materiel rifles it usually remains functional(although with reduced capabilities) Doubtful, infact it's quite impossible. If one round doesn't work multiple can be used. Another solution would be to just drop chaff ahead of the tank and follow it up with a missile.> simultaneously attack from one side is unlikelyIf someone is aiming to defeat the APS, they would do it. It's why hezb uses a double missile approach.
>>521903999Only like $70 for a 1/35 scale one. Suckers.
>>521908394Lmao no one tell him Europe has nukes too.That's not my request by the way, that's the official Kremlin stance.
>>521905214Why the fuck are you even bothering with the preformance statistics in light of governments deliberately making every single one of their modern vehicles look like shit compared to artillery and drone warfare? The MIC of every country is about to start a fire with their own fucking hands at this point.Tank stat preformance should only ever have been weighted against peer vehicles, we have fuck all in reliable data now because of Ukraine and it was totally deliberate that every western country with a kike gun-runner hook in it deliberately sent all of their surplus vehicles to ukraine to gouge their respective countries wallets.
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>>521943372more versatile, better maneuvering. If the joust is driving at each other with a wall behind each other, the car will crash into the wall while the scooter gets out of the way just in time performing a slide break, while the car goes right into the wall at 120kmh
>>521903999Whats the point of having an Army to defend a country when it is betrayed from within by its own Elites?What is the point of warships, aircraft, or tanks when the people of a country are being replaced through mass immigration?
>>521944814no wall: open roadanything goesyou're gonna loseas is fittingknow your place
>>521944240>Doubtful, infact it's quite impossible. then you clearly don't know how AESA radars work>If one round doesn't work multiple can be used. yeah but it's not a video game so it's not that easy in practice and if that becomes an issue the OTHELLO is right there>Another solution would be to just drop chaff would be rejected by the clutter filter it's not the 70sAPS doesn't aim to make a tank invincible it's another layer to the survivability onion it's easy to say we'll just send two almost simultaneously to defeat itbut it's much harder to accomplish and you need double the resources (that includes operators) at the very least
