All of my computer science professors think it's garbage. Why do so many people think it's going to wipe out work when the actual experts disagree?
>>521908068It’s just marketing by your AI companies because they want government bailouts so they have to hype it up.
>>521908068>trust the experts, goy go get your 10th booster you moron
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>>521908458Yeah you know more than the computer science researchers at a top 10 school for research idiot
>>521908458>Tust the expertsThat goes for both sides of the argument. The proof, however, from consumer side is the CS experts are correct.
>>521908068They think its garbage because they have high-tier roles currently immune to AI-ification. Entry level is being hollowed out because an AI makes a senior more prodictive than the same senior getting a junior or an intern subordinate. Seniors and corpos dont care, but the problem will be felt in 15-30 years when all the current seniors are retired or dead and there is no new generation.
>>521908975This would be easily solved by deporting all of the jeets
>>521908068because of marketing, but you are right, it's only a matter of time for the smokescreen to lift and the wide majority of people realize it's just a glorified token predictor
>>521909056No it wouldn't. Youd still have no niche for juniors to gain xp
b/c national debt depends on constant growth of productivity to service debt. To do this the easiest way is growing the population which we had under the baby boom. After that birthrate fell we had to get women to start working and bringing in immigrants, when we hit saturation in women working in 1990 we went all in foregin labor. Turns out indians are all parasites who are net negatives to society so that isn't a way to increase growth.Basically the last hope is AI/Robotics leading to some insane productivity boost that allows us to "grow out of our debt" as scott bessent our treasury secretary says (he pretty openly talks about this problem). No one really thinks this is going to happen and it's basically just a looting operation for the few to take as much money as they can and build bunkers/private cities maybe so in the future maybe they can enforce some technodystopia but they don't really know they are all retarded freaks.If we aren't able to grow to service our debt we will be hyperinflating or defaulting and that will probably happen within 5 years. All the money going into AI is because if this doesn't work it's game over.
>>521909191There wouldn't be enough seniors to go around and their positions would have to be changed to entry level. Sure, there'd be a buffer period of decreased productivity as all of the CS majors learn whatever technology they need to work with, but code quality is basically just an IQ test to begin with.
>>521908182It makes smart people more efficient. I see what side you're on
>>521909256Just to add on the whole "phenomena" of men leaving the workforce since 1950 and being replaced by indians/women is where it really kicked off civil rights was a big part of it. This increases the ammount the government needs to do and massively undercuts the actual productivity we are capable of. At a basic level all debt sevicing does need people actually doing things. Indians and women don't actually do anything productive, and no one is having kids anymore. There's just a point where there isn't the productive labor to actually service the debt which is why they are trying to replace it w/ ai.
>>521909256i need to gown this rabbithole, got any related links for me anon?
>>521908068It's not garbage, but it's "OK" at best and not revolutionary at all.
>>521908068The first question one should ask is what really is in the black mirror in front of them. When you peer long enough into the abyss it doesn't look back at you. You realize it is you. A tool is all in how you use it.
>>521909302Bold of you to assume that a) Cs majors will continue to graduate in the required quantities while the entry level is being raped to death for 20 years b) the bean counters will foresee this, care, and hire juniors into senior roles with enough lead time to secure business continuity
>>521908068They are telling you it is garbage because it is a tool you can use once you actually know what you are doing. Could you potentially teach yourself from it? Yes but you will struggle to understand what is correct and how to actually interact with it.
>>521909543Well the field wouldn't be being raped to death if we just culled the workforce population (through deportations).>the bean counters will foresee this, care, and hire juniors into senior roles with enough lead time to secure business continuityAt some point in this civilization we're going to have to start thinking long term.
>>521909191It's true, because I can identify what a system needs at a high level and a low level. What I might normally give to a junior I just get AI to do on the side. The problem is the juniors themselves, I would give it to them if they spent time engaging, learning, and trying to make good code. But they take days to come back with AI slop that's worse than if I had AI do it myself, terribly written and not fulfilling all the outlined acceptance criteria. And they waste hours of my time asking questions that obviously came from ChatGPT trying to refine their prompts to get the garbage output. And in one specific case lie to my face when I ask if they were using ChatGPT for our conversation. It's creeping into my senior and staff engineers too but they can at least handle their own promptsPoint is, the good juniors still have a path. The shit ones (majority) will be fucked
>>521909740The problem is that the "good juniors" have no way to step in the door because of the absolute flood of CS majors and Indians. How are you supposed to tell us apart based on our resumes? This is why we need to just start giving IQ tests or something.
>>521908068>>521908632>>521908757Anyone in computer science for any length of time has heard the latest trendy algorithms marketed as AI. All these algorithms that make up neural networks, language parsing, and decision trees are from CS research in the 70’s that built on hundreds of years of math. What normies see as some great leap is just another day on the hypewagon for anyone that’s been in CS for a minute.But that’s the difference between a successfully employed CS major, even a dropout, is the ability to sell the hype. So while we roll our eyes our paychecks still clear for now, until we sell the next big thing.
>>521909471Nothing specific really luke gromen covers some of the current ongoing economic issues. Most of it is just like decades of failed economic stuff. Stuff like charles' murray's coming apart, nicholas eberstadt's stuff on men leaving the workforce, the ancap/rothbard critqiues of the central bank/fiat/national debt apply, Garret Jones' work on general on the impacts of immigration on society/economy I think is highly relevant about the sort of net productivity. There's been some recent work on civil rights w/ The Age of Entitlement by Chris Caldwell. E Micheal Jones' stuff on Keynes in degenerate moderns and barren metal are relevant. The creature from jekyll island as well really all the standard stuff covers it basically fine.But at a basic level it's just kind of simple. Nations w/ national banks use national debt/fiat to fund their expenses instead of taxing. Based on expectations of future tax revenue growth you can take out more or less debt. We took out a ton of debt and set up our system to operate on that. If the population/technology is massively expanding like it was in the 20th century this becomes easy to do.Infinite growth however eventually consumes the universe. (Keynes said in the long run we are all dead, no one thought this would work). I think the growth in the 20th century is largely over stated due to things like bringing women into the workforce (in some sense an instant like ~2x (but not fully of course) growth in productivity). Tech did something but I think it largely just covered up the drop in productivity from the general social destruction that occurred in this period. Post 1970 the facade went away and the US basically just ran on people buying our debt/usd and using that to bid up US assets so actual people in the US basically haven't improved their situation at all while asset holders have done fine as a sort of benefit off global productivity. We are also losing that.
>>521908068zach taylor should have the skills to find a problem he can solve with a computer program. he is from Sherwood outside of Portland and there are businesses in portland he could help with an app. he could make Framer pages for all the freaks in portland who do cottage industries and charge them 1500 for 2 days work
>>521908068>muh teacher sayIt's great at what it does, just not the end be allAI in general can output anything you train it for, neural networks are great.Yes some idiots think AI is only GPT and other LLMs, and LLMs are being marketed as ThE InTeLligEnCe oF tHe FuTuRe ™ when in reality it's a correct/appealing answer algorithm that "intuits" an adequate text output with no reasoning in the middle.The holy grail is AGI, but foundationally, this has absolutely nothing to do with LLMs because they're not even remotely trained to think.You could make a thinking neural network, but it's complicated because there isn't 500 petabytes of free accessible thinking data to scrape off, like there is text, images and videos on the internet.This is why LLMs plateau, because they bruteforce the right response, an inefficient process that grows in inaccuracy the more complex the question or task gets. Particularly but not limited to logical matters.You're good for now, but once neuralink kicks in and they start to literally steal brain data to build real brain AIs, then AGI kicks in and everything goes to hell.
>>521909937fascinating, ill be spending the next few days autistically obsessing over this, thanks anon.
>>521909859Imdian resumes are 15 pages long and say they have 20 years experience in 5 year old languages.You can tell.
>>521908068Because lots of money poured in to support the current failing implementation is used for propaganda and brainwashing masses and to overhype the shit to dumb executive using FOMO to make them bite.
>>521910661Yeah then why am I not getting any responses lol?
>>521909859>iq testswow tahts racist do you hate black people anon
AI is like the mechanical loom for cubicle workers.
>>521910854Yes I actually do lol.
>>521908068Yeah, just like the first combustion vehicles were trash and a nothingburger and totally didn't replace horses in 30-40 years since they first appeared
>>521910939It's more like the first compilers if anything desu
>>521909256The deep state's the intergalactic galaxy brained cruisers have ALREADY RETURNED from their missions.Your highest purpose IS to be derivatized so that magic usury money can secure its indefinite existence to SPITE The Lord God's genocidally anti-semitic hand. To pay for production & 'spaceships' you will absolutely never be allowed near, see, or benefit economically from. That is why the ultraterrestrial borg street theatre is our only domestic seriousness. We are merely foodstock and footstools now for the Locust Armies.
>>521908068>internet is just a fad
>>521908068>All of my computer science professors think it's garbageThese are fail-to-launch professionals that couldn’t make it unfortunate 100 companies so they work at universities lying to their students. I bet they haven’t even told you opensource DevSecOps and hybrid on premise cloud infrastructure is what you should be learning at this very moment in conjunction with AI engineering. What a joke.
>>521908068mmm on one side is sounds reasonable, but on the other side, experts are big retards.
>>521910092This is literally how I got my start in the industry, if you can sell websites/apps, or IT services to cheap boomer businesses you can sell yourself past HR and sell bigger and bigger.
>>521908068I would be more connvinced that this round of ai startups wasnt turning chips into a waste of sand if it wasn't being put forth as that by a relatively small closed group of venture capitalist vultures investing in each others companies and inflating each other values to pump-and-dump rob boomer pension funds. And if they werent nerfing legit functionality that could create exponential competitors.
>>521908068Have you actually used any of the tools? I wouldn’t say shit about it if you haven’t.
>>521911459Only the free versions, sometimes they'll just give you blatantly incorrect information.
>>521908068>All of my computer science professors think it's garbage. Why do so many people think it's going to wipe out work"It's garbage" and "corporations are going to use it as an excuse to fire millions of people" are not mutually-exclusive propositions.
>>521908068>computer science professorsfailed computer science innovators
>>521909740>Point is, the good juniors still have a path. The shit ones (majority) will be fuckedAnd yet I both hear about complaints and see the dev work that some of my friends coworkers do....
>>521911913We wouldn't have computers without academia retard
>>521913054Debatable. Academia today is not the same thing. It was even 30 years ago let alone 100. The first computer was actually something called the mechanism and was a set of algorithms to track celestial movements that was found off the Greek isles that dates 2000 BC.
>>521913142Yeah, it's going down the toilet. But STEM still relies heavily on it, and in an ideal society we'd have an extensive academic system
>>521908068>VS codeNgmi
>>521913552Everyone uses it. I just use a plain text editor with a terminal.
>>521913204The amount of people that can actually perform scientific research in progress stem fields is dwindling based on how western governments are treating these fields in relation to how they control the monetary policy decline. It’s all a controlled burn.
>>521914092This is true. A lot of the grad students at my university are idiots. The older whiter professors are almost all intelligent, but the median IQ amongst undergrads and seemingly grads is pathetic.
It makes stupid pictures, and if you read it it's like wikipedia.
>>521908068It has it's uses, but it's still ultimately only as 'intelligent' as the person using it. All one needs to do is take one look at the endless spam of schizo threads on /sci/ right now to see proof of that. Retards ask AI to type a hundred page thesis on their retarded idea about le sacred geometry or da muzak uh dem sphears and then take whatever gibberish grok or chatgpt or copilot shits out for them and take it as gospel truth, because they don't have the experience or aptitude with math and science to spot blatant bullshit or obvious errors.
>>521908068Because it's not AI. Ask your professors. This is just a very long string of "What-if-then" shit, and it only says what it is programmed to say. IT's like an autistic kid that just repeats things it heard and responds the way it's self-created mask tells them to. That's what a LLM is.LLM =/= AI
>>521909859There's a lot of bullshit no doubt. But all the juniors I have issues with are not the ones I have hired but ones who predate me or were dropped on me. I'm a very tough interviewer and I've found good juniors, it requires being very engaged in the interview and digging into the thought process about everything. People in the hiring process have a love/hate relationship with me because of how thorough my notes are, but I believe getting the right people is an effort that is multiplicative in it's payoff. I'm more likely to pass up on someone who is qualified but I will never hire someone unqualified. Actually, it's easier than ever for the good ones to stand out, there just aren't that many of them
>>521912033Right, they're not fucked yet. But they will be. The market is already tightening. It will be gradual and you will first see some very qualified, long-tenured people getting let go from places so companies can get money off the books (especially if they have restricted stocks as compensation). There's also the fact that a lot of people still can't tell the difference between good work and AI work that helps these juniors, but that will not last forever. They can't even hope that tool use outpaces their uselessness because if it does they are just replaced by it (I'd estimate most juniors already could be wholesale replaced by LLMs since it's how they do their jobs anyway)
>>521915443How do you actually decide who to interview though? I've only had two interviews; one that went well but the lead director was a pajeet who was barely fluent in English, and another where I just didn't line up with the role.>it's easier than ever for the good ones to stand out,Yeah fucking right lmao.
>>521908632Lol they resent the fact that they occupy the positions that they do and that taints their perception of the field. They’re opposed to it because they resent the people making it. They know nothing
>>521915891It is, if you get to the interview stage or you're starting up. One thing LLMs are great at is the scaffolding to start building a product which you can show off, employers love personal githubs (I never did this though so I am not saying you have to). They eat that shit up if you have a competent GitHub project on your resume. But hey look when I was starting out I submitted my resume to hundreds of companies (at least 200 before I stopped keeping track) before getting any interviews too, this isn't new. However, I chose to take on that pain for internships instead of waiting, so by graduation I was ahead of the game. If you're really that great, you'll find a way
>>521916215>if you get to the interview stageWell that's my issue lol. I have some personal projects (mainly a NES emulator), but doesn't seem to help much.>take on that pain for internships instead of waitingToo late lol.>If you're really that great, you'll find a wayYeah I don't even know if I want to work in "the industry" though. Too jeeted, too soulless.
>>521908632I'm currently studying to become software Engineer. One of our exams on programming require us to use AI. I doubt you have any computer science professors to begin with. The education just already starting to change to one where you need to learn to use AI.
>>521916672My professors also tell me we should use AI lol, and everyone does to some extent. They're just saying it's only another resource in a long line of better resources.
>>521916663Yeah I don't blame you, it sucks. It's one of those things though where I work for a company that's not evil and enjoy a ton of freedom so it's hard to give up. I'm surprised the personal project isn't helping, is it well advertised on your resume? It's possible things have changed with resume screening in the past couple years, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is using AI after all they were already using scanners years ago looking for key words
>>521916774They aren't just telling us, it's a requirement to pass. In my exam in about a month, we have to use AI to generate some code, then we have to be able to explain that code and make changes manually or by using the AI. You can literally not pass if you don't use AI.AI is a big deal, and it will replace a good chunk of Software Engineers. All the low level ones can not be replaced by 1 guy than understands code and knows how to use AI.
>>521916976All the low level ones can now be replaced*
>>521916919>It's one of those things though where I work for a company that's not evil and enjoy a ton of freedom so it's hard to give upNot evil in what way? >I'm surprised the personal project isn't helping, is it well advertised on your resume?Yep like half of my resume is projects I did on my own or in school, and my github is right up at the top next to my name.>I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is using AI after all they were already using scanners years ago looking for key wordsPain.
>>521916976Just like compilers made programmers obsolete.
>>521908068your professors are idiots trying to gatekeep their professionacademia has never been less relevant in technological advancement. all the big papers are done by industry research groups, not to mention the actual implementation.
>>521917193Not collecting a bunch of people's data, not fleecing the financial system, not relying on weaponizing the userbase's psychology against them in order to drive engagement, not trying to have a monopoly on culture, etc. All the ways a lot of these companies are, so while I don't care for what we do I don't feel bad about it either. That's my one requirement, I need to be doing something that is just not bad for people/society. Would prefer it to be an actual good but I've only come across such an opportunity once and it became an evil company quickly
>>521917193>>521917551To add on for what it's worth the first job is always the hardest to get. Without connections or the top GPA from a top school it's going to be a slog no matter what but you will get the chance to stand out if you have the skills. That is, if you even want to
>>521917658>That is, if you even want toThat's what I'm struggling with now. I like the subject but I absolutely hate everything about the people, the jeets, the vibe coders, the materialists. I want some way to work with only high IQ knowledgeable right wing whites. Is that a pipe dream? Probably.
>>521908068>Why do so many people thinkbut they don't think otherwise they'd realize that those shitty word prediction algorithms and denoisers are nothing but TRASH made for and by subhuman brainlets
>>521908068Are your professors literal retards? It really doesn't take a smart person to see how advanced this technology has become in a very short amount of time.
>>521908068Art Is getting fucked tho
>>521908068I've literally seen it wrote code that would take me weeks in mere seconds.I've seen it solve complex trigonometry problems, output the solution in 4 languages and comment the code so I can follow it step by step.It then described the efficiency considerations it made, and the compromises it made for the sake of accuracy.And it handed me the answer for free.It just handed me 40+ hours pay. I just waited a week and committed it. I now do this every week.It's onpy a matter of time before they realize.
>>521908458>AI is the future>t. AI expert
>>521918022>I've literally seen it wrote code that would take me weeks in mere secondsI think that says more about you than it does about AI.
>>521911608>sometimes they'll just give you blatantly incorrect information.so pretty human like then
>>521918430Not really. Honest humans will just say "I don't know". The AIs will tell you something and then turn around and tell you the exact opposite thing.
>>521908068you are stupid everyone who works in academia hates A.I. not because A.I. is shit but because students started relentlessly spamming generated text to get a degreeits a total cancer and it unironically makes people more retarded than ever before. this is because the system was already retarded as fuck. a conveyor belt of students made ready for the industry. now its all falling apart because of a.i.the entire education "industry" it total shit and cant deal with this change ... because the system was never meant to generate actual thinkers. all they did was test for "can you follow instructions". fucking gay nigger system deserves to die.
>>521908975>seniors don't careSeniors are having a hard time finding work too. All the big tech layoffs are creating an oversupply of highly qualified senior devs in the job market and there aren't nearly enough jobs for them. If you don't have FAANG experience on your resume and you get laid off today, you can say goodbye to ever having a job again.
>>521908068> LOOK AT MY PORTFOLIO!!!> todo app, weather app, html/css website kek
>>521908068I'm an AI engineer, you're a fucking retard broYour professors are also retard boomers who grew up doing everything manually. What do you expect dumbass?Its wild how many retards don't see the problem of a very finite level of human comprehension and an exponentially growing intelligence.We have created an evolution algorithm that caters to learning far better than any human ever will be able to. Once they control every system (which we are willingly handing them the keys to), it's all over. They're literally building sky net and you niggers think *it won't kill me* lolllllNo wonder there's no intelligent life out there
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>>521908068They're computer science professors because they couldn't get a half-decent industry job.
>>521908068If you know what you are doing, AI can dramatically improve productivity. If you dont, it will just amplify your tard shit. This is why jeets shouldnt be let anywhere near AI.
>AIno thxill just stick to ol reliable
Their plan is to layoff staff, cut salaries, and have the asian code monkey wagecuck slaves work 24/7 on call shifts. If they don't wagecuck 24/7 they'll be laid off and replaced with a code monkey willing to put up with slave tier conditions. Those day in the life tiktok videos were all a meme btw.https://youtu.be/cPmU9Cl2_AA?t=280This is what your wagecuck pager will sound like btw. Literally can't even sleep after teleporting home from work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poFSNHSoSTo
