According to my brief analysis this purported Trump peace plan amounts to a strategic defeat for Ukraine xDhttps://www.axios.com/2025/11/20/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-28-points-russiaIt forces Ukraine to:- permanently cede 20% of its territory (Crimea, full Donbas, frozen Kherson/Zaporizhzhia) without referendum or compensation, legitimizing Russias land grab.- accept constitutionally enshrined permanent neutrality, explicit NATO exclusion, no NATO troops, and a capped army (max 600k), leaving it defenseless against future Russian aggression.-receive only vague, conditional US "guarantees" that evaporate if Ukraine defends itself too vigorously while Russia faces no equivalent penalties.-watch Russia rewarded with gradual sanctions relief, G8 return, joint US-Russia investment funds, and most frozen assets returned.In short, Ukraine surrenders land, sovereignty and security forever while the aggressor is economically rehabilitated and faces no real disincentives, classic appeasement that invites renewed attack once Russia re-arms. xDThis "peace plan" is bad for Poland too because it stations advanced European fighter jets on its soil as a tripwire, turning Poland into the primary frontline deterrent without any say in the deal, while NATOs expansion is frozen and Ukraine is permanently excluded. It leaves Bolanda exposed on a weakened eastern flank with no deeper alliance buffer. It is actually the dumbest thing in this plan, imo. It is extremely weak deterrent as Russia proved many times it is not scared to damage European infrastructure, and it is very elusive "security gurantee" for Poland because these jets can take off in minutes. America abandoned loyal Bolanda for good xD
>>521915164Maybe don't lose next time to Russia?
>>521915164elections have consequences
>>521915164It's a strategic disaster for the EU. The EU is supposed to shell out about $300B. $100B of EU debts to Russia will be redirected to "US-led efforts" to "rebuild Ukraine" with the US "receiving 50% of profits". The remaining approximately $100B will be used for "joint US-Russia investment vehicle". On top of this, the EU will pay Ukraine an additional $100B.Furthermore, the EU supposed to allow Ukraine preferential market access for a time (i.e. a temporary grain deluge will destroy EU farmers)This deal is basically the US robbing the EU to the tune of $300B, labeled as a Russia-Ukraine peace deal.
>>521915362But i heard in Polish media that Ukraine already won because it droned all Russian refineries and there is no fuel in Russia. xD
>>521915164Who care about poles opinions? Lol
>>521915611that $300B is money Europe stole from Russia. it is Russian money that Europe wants to keep for itself instead of return.
>>521915611>the EU supposed to allow Ukraine preferential market access for a time (i.e. a temporary grain deluge will destroy EU farmers)Polish farmers will gladly go bankrupt to make it happen xD
>yo Donny give me the Bubba treatment
>>521915164Why would Russia stop?
>>521915726How's your kike puppet milei doing?
>>521915738The EU debt to Russia which the EU froze is about $200B. Since the EU has already de facto defaulted and suffered the brunt of the reputational consequences, it may as well keep the money. There is no reason to let the US get a single cent of this money.There is an extra $100B on top of this that the EU is supposed to pay Ukraine.
>>521916022>Why would Russia stop?Thats the most fucked up thing about all this mess, actually. Russia is winning the war right now, Ukraine implodes, hence it is more optimal for it to just push more, or demand _even_ better conditions.
>>521915164That's the punishment for losing a war you dragged out on purpose. Ukraine is still treated far far more lenient than most other losers in history. They should be fucking grateful for getting off easy. That's why you don't put a fucking jew on top and keep friendly relations with your neighbors.
>>521915164Lil bros forgot to ask Russia again.
>>521916166>Russia is winning the war right now, Ukraine implodes, hence it is more optimal for it to just push more, or demand _even_ better conditions.Exactly I don't see why they don't just keep going, I don't think they'll swallow Ukraine entirely but I could see them taking a LOT more land. It's pretty clear Russia wants to landlocked Ukraine.
kek he just needs to stall until trump strokes out and vance will take his oath of office in the ruins of moscow..
>>521915164>full Donbas>not KharkovHow come?
>>521915164>It is extremely weak deterrent as Russia proved many times it is not scared to damage European infrastructureA fucking pole shouldn't talk about how willingly someone else destroys european infrastructure. Russia didn't destroy Nordstream and they also aren't currently blocking investigations by refusing to hand over the terrorist.
>>521915164Based. This is what I voted for. Zelenskike is evil.
>>521915164>>521915362All the Ukraine has to do is cripple the industrial base of the Russians long enough to physically incapacitate their war machine.Pic related works excellently, and they will have enough supplies to last them at least 2 years for a weekly missile strike campaign.Keep hitting refineries, tank farms, terminal ports and ammo dumps.Russia depends on oil for trade. Russian war machine starves if it doesn't get critical tech. Pure and simple.
>>521916556>A fucking pole shouldn't talk about how willingly someone else destroys european infrastructure
>>521916090theres more stolen money than that involved. seized russian assets were to be used as collateral for loans to ukraine to buy weapons. once the assets are unseized, that frozen money will return to russian custody. europe doesnt want that--it wants the money spent in europe. the peace deal obligates russia to spend most of the unfrozen money on redevelopment in the warzone, with proceeds divided among those nations which incurred costs in the war.europe and zelensky dont want that. they want to lauder the seized russian assets through corrupt weapons programs instead, pocketing billions. if you give leaders a choice between peace and war, dont be surprised they choose war if they can personally pocket millions of dollars in secret through corruption.
>>521916251>That's why you don't put a fucking jew on top and keep friendly relations with your neighbors.Ukraine was corrupt as fuck and all they had were jews.
>>521916879Deserves you right.
>>521916890Effort post.
>>521915738>that $300B is money Europe stole from Russia.Russia is stealing Ukraine from Europe, there are trillions worth of resources there
>>521916556Russia has blocked investigations into the death of Polish President Lech Kaczyński and much of his staff in the 2010 plane crash. Russia and Putin deserve the shit they get.
>>521917052>there are trillions worth of resources thereNot to mention arable land
>>521917052Ukraine started the war.
>>521917128>Russia and Putin deserve the shit they get.I agree with you.
>>521915164The alternative is losing everything east of the Dnieper to Russia and every male Ukrainian aged 12 - 65 being killed in a futile attempt to stop it.
>>521915485Consequences have actions pimp
>>521917410>The alternative is losing everything east of the Dnieper to RussiaDon't forget Odessa. If the frontlines collapse that bad Russia is going to take Odessa
>>521915164>This "peace plan" is bad for Poland too because it stations advanced European fighter jets on its soil as a tripwire, turning Poland into the primary frontline deterrent without any say in the deal, while NATOs expansion is frozen and Ukraine is permanently excluded. It leaves Bolanda exposed on a weakened eastern flank with no deeper alliance buffer. It is actually the dumbest thing in this plan, imo. It is extremely weak deterrent as Russia proved many times it is not scared to damage European infrastructure, and it is very elusive "security gurantee" for Poland because these jets can take off in minutes. America abandoned loyal Bolanda for good xD
>>521915611the entire war is just one way to steal money from Germany, at this point it should just go to a full-blown war far for all I care you zoomers are worthless to me.
>>521916851FP-5 "Flamingo" cruise missile was unveiled by startup Fire Point, probably a scam company, non-defense backgrounds: construction, gaming etc. This thing remains highly unproven. No independent verification of its claimed 3000 km range or 1150 kg warhead exists, it relies on repurposed L-39 trainer engines (short-life junkyard parts) and basic inertial/GPS guidance. Some sources label it a propaganda scam for crowdfunding/corruption, the missile has crude 1950s-style design (huge, subsonic, radar-visible) makes it easy prey for Russian defenses. Only a handful reportedly entered limited combat use, with no confirmed mass strikes.
>>521915164LOLLMAO
>>521918610FP-5 "Flamingo" cruise missile program got replaced by much cheaper "Flamingo" drone
>>521918949Ukrainian drone attacks hit refineries, not crude production/export terminals primarily. Russias crude output remains in 10-11M bracket b/d, exports stable too at 7-8M b/d (down slightly to 7.5M in 2025 H1, redirected to Asia, EIA/IEA). Refining throughput fell only 3% YTD despite official attacks on 20% capacity, thanks to spare capacity, quick repairs (weeks), and restarting idle units. Domestic fuel shortages are localized/temporary, military gets priority from stockpiles. Excess crude is exported instead of refined, so revenues are not cut. Thats why Russians ceded security of refineries on companies owning them, they calculated that wasting military resources is not needed.
>>521918949>"Flamingo" droneNo such thing, churka retard xD
>>521915164>-receive only vague, conditional US "guarantees" that evaporate if Ukraine defends itself too vigorously while Russia faces no equivalent penalties.The polack is already lying.Ukraine is not allowed to do any first strikes or murder Russian like they did before.They lose their security guarantee if they do the aggression.That is not vague at all.
>>521919330The guarantee voids if Ukraine "invades Russia" or launches "unprovoked" strikes on Moscow/SPb, terms Russia can interpret broadly: for example hitting occupied Crimea or Kerch bridge or whatever. Russia faces no symmetric restriction for its own "defensive" actions inside "its" new borders. Thats the asymmetry critics call vague and one-sided.
>>521919054>Ukrainian drone attacks hit refineries, not crude production/export terminals primarily. Russias crude output remains in 10-11M bracket b/d, exports stable too at 7-8M b/d (down slightly to 7.5M in 2025 H1, redirected to Asia, EIA/IEA). Refining throughput fell only 3% YTD despite official attacks on 20% capacity, thanks to spare capacity, quick repairs (weeks), and restarting idle units. Domestic fuel shortages are localized/temporary, military gets priority from stockpiles. Excess crude is exported instead of refined, so revenues are not cut. Thats why Russians ceded security of refineries on companies owning them, they calculated that wasting military resources is not needed.
>>521919159took a whiledid you save pic rel how i asked you?or do you only repost things that make you seethe the hardest?
Lol at Witkoffs shitty plan. Its so bad it just ends everything. And it must be signed in a week. Yeeeeee....
>>521916251Ukraine was settup to fail from the beginning when it was made clear as day that Russia didn't "invade" or declare war on ukraine. This was always the plan, and Trump was clearly involved with it.
>>521916022>Why would Russia stop?they wont
>>521916279this map is pretty fucking gud
>>521920068They would be stupid if they agreed on this peace plan indeed. Ukraine is on the edge of implosion, now.
>>521916421>>full Donbas>>not Kharkov>How come?becuase this plan was written by retarded murrifats
>>521915164Sounds too pro-Ukraine.
>>521920147>Ukraine is on the edge of implosion, now.you said the same when bakhmut was falling churka
>>521916879Is not the newest info it was Ukrainians that did that in Poland.Like when Ukraine claimed the rockets that hit Poland were from Russia.Only that this type of rocket would have needed to have magically 3-4 times more range than it actually has to reach Poland from the closest Russian frontline.
>>521920068>they obtained freshwater port>nordstream pipelineIt's over bud. You forget the only reason they left kiev was Zelensky signed a cease fire that Boris Johnson flew in and shredded shortly after and told them to resume the war.
>>521915611The EUSSR is to blame for this outcome. They wanted this war, they wanted it to go on, they wanted it to never stop. FUCK THE EUSSR!
>>521916851THE V-1 WUNDERWAFFE WILL WIN THE WAR FOR US GERMANS!!!!!!
>>521915164That 600k army size is not acceptable for Russia. 600k men army is pretty large peacetime force, if Putin chimps out again they just mobilize the reserve. Also no weapon systems were banned. To put it short, Russia will not accept.
>>521920147>Ukraine is on the edge of implosion, now.Exactly. There's a very real chance to take everything east of the Dnieper at least. Odessa would be the real prize imo and I think that's what Putins gunning for. Landlocked Ukraine is castrated forever.
>>521915164Why would Russia accept that? It's a bad offer and Trump will withdraw it anyway as soon as things get serious.Two more years of Russian pressure and Ukraine's army collapses due to lack of manpower. If the country isn't paralyzed by political crisis first. Either way, an unconditional Ukrainian surrender is highly likely. There is no need to make shady deals with the orange gypsy liar.
>>521921584Nigga explain to me HOW you plan to win this conflict. I always see him yapping about shit, but he never actually says what his plan is besides "lol Russia will give up eventually."
>>521915164Maybe dont back the losing side retard
>>521921120neither side willyou can tell right away its trump's peace planguy is retarded
>>521921531>If the country isn't paralyzed by political crisis first.Hasn't that kike suspended elections?
>>521922003He need materiel support that will wear Russia down over time.
>>521915164Next time don't massacre Russian civilians and try to join a hostile power while literally bordering Russia. Waow such a difficult concept, I know.
>>521922003He's already winning bit. With billions of CIA dollars in anonymous offshore accounts. To keep winning, he needs to keep that war going. That's all.
xD
>>521922177Doesn't make him bulletproof. Right now all the players have, although for entirely different reasons, a strong interest in keeping him in power. That can change.
>>521915164>Russia re-armsRussia is on full strenght tho
>>521915164>ukraine has dignityi guess the guy is a comedian after all
>>521922332>Right now all the players have, although for entirely different reasons, a strong interest in keeping him in powerExcept of the USA. Americans want to remove him and tried few times already.
>>521915164Amerifats are as disgusting bastards as they always were. Big news. They do nothing but fuck over the european continent for last 100 years. Biden admin was abusing ukrainians aswell. Who the fuck in their right mind is pro trump at this point, he does nothing to stop mass immigration cause it's amerishart idea. and then he runs around sabotaging europe to enrich himself.Ukranians should at this point just tell USA to finally go fuck itself and stay on its own continent. And tell usa to get fuck out of NATO and try to defend themselves from russia with help of anyone else but amerisharts.Amerisharts as typical sit thousands of kilometers away trying to rob europe same as last 100 years. Even trying to make deal between russia and usa, to fuck over ukraine, is just par for the course.
>>521922200Over wich time, 10 more years? 20?
>>521922423No, they didn't. They cannot control the outcome when he falls. Too many unknowns. So they rather keep him.
>>521922423>Except of the USA. Americans want to remove him and tried few times already.The problem is not trump, it's the 350 million cockroaches who call themselves US citizens. They peddle mass immigration, anti european racism and constantly rob and sabotage other countries to benefit themselves. Notice how USA demands 50% of the profits from the rebuilding of ukraine. And biden was doing same thing, witholding foreign aid till his son got millions of dollars in his 'job' at burisma. All USA fucking does with ukraine is try to rob it non stop with some lame excuse of pretending to help.Trump is just typical american that just does it out in the open what democrats and republicans in general been doing for decades and being more cloak and dagger about it.
>>521922623They did. I have a credible info.
>>521915164Once again the eternal united statien proves that he is willing to sell Europe to asiatic barbarians
>>521916059Very bad, he is a jew piece of crap
>>521922687Why meme-flag?
>>521922623>No, they didn't. They cannot control the outcome when he falls. Too many unknowns. So they rather keep him.Did you miss one of the 28 points which aside from giving russia tonnes of ukrainan land and want to enshrine in ukr constitution that they can never join nato and only have 600k army size. Where americans demand that ukraine has election within 100 days.USA help russia because helping russia is bad for europe, and good for USA selfish greedy bastards.
>>521915164>xDYou need to be an adult to post here.Your sisters are whores in western Europe btw.Easiest sluts to fuck by far
>>521922778what you think i am a fucking american who sit and larp as people from around the world to try to talk shit towards europeans, and try to pretend to be europeans and talk shit in other directions to try to get europeans hated?Amerishart internet needs to be nuked into fucking oblivion and replaced with localized/regionalized internet and all amerishit platforms banned so they can stop tamper with elections and manipulate people around the world.
>>521922798Well Russia is winning the war so it makes sense that they get things for their victory. If Ukraine didn’t want to give up territory they should have fought harder.
>>521915362Hmm yeah it seems to have a big impact on the way that wars are settled historically.You have to "win" the war, so to speak, to have the better outcomes apparently.
>>521922798You seriously think Russia is going to accept Trump's offer? Why would they even trust him?
>>521922877>Well Russia is winning the war so it makes sense that they get things for their victory. If Ukraine didn’t want to give up territory they should have fought harder.They winning the war huh shitmerican? is why they only managed to take 20% of ukraine over a 3 year period. Amerisharts want ukranians to get fucked in the ass, because russia influence over eastern europe is bad for rest of europe. And good for usa to try to rob europe some more.At this point nobody in entire world, europe included, give a fuck about stupid evil ideas that comes out of usa's evil 'peoples' ass that is their mouth. As soon as usa goods and services can be phased out completely of every society in world, it's going to happen!
>>521922866>Easiest sluts to fuck by farThats good, isnt it?
>>521922982>You seriously think Russia is going to accept Trump's offer? Why would they even trust him?Ukraine not going to accept it but russia is. Trumpfag is giving rusisans everything they want. USA still think they can sit thousands of kilometers away in afroheadshitstain of ameritrash and make 'deals' for other people that includes ofcourse usa robbing them blind.
>>521922702I don't have credible info. All I have is some random schizo from /pol/ claiming they did.
>>521923126You can trust me on this xD
>>521923076Why would Russia accept that? Because some clown from /pol/ says so? It's a bad deal. You obviously know nothing about this war.
>>521923000Yea, the fact that they are occupying territory in Ukraine suggests that they are, in fact, winning the war. If you have any other questions regarding obvious reality I’d be happy to answer them for you.
>>521923126both axios (shitmerican media) and pravda is covering the 28 point leaked plan for USA and Russia to fuck ukraine in ass to enrich eachother and destabilize europe further.But ofcourse you can't trust amerishits with anything. That is true. Except lying and trying to rob other countries that is. And peddling mass immigration and anti european racism and other stupid ideas like it.
>>521923250Never take your meds.
>>521915164Trump should just leak out.
>>521922522who knows? could be a few years.
>>521923229Russia has failed to annex ukraine for essentially nearing 4 straight years. Is why putin running around getting pedo trump to give him the victory. Russia is losing so badly that entire russian military who btw. lost almost all their tanks aswell, and 1.5 million russian soldiers, that they only managed to take 20% of ukraine in non stop invasion attempt last 4 years.If there's anyone who deserve to be bombed it's every american city big enough to show up on radar. SO you fat fucks can burn alive instead of fucking over europe and siding with russia just so amerishits can make more money off of profiting off of the misery of others.
>>521922200Its been 3 years already and russia is still taking land, although slowly.Do you have a plan b?
>>521923419This, Ukraine will win any day now, crimea beach party soon
>>521923446Nope. Its a matter of resolve. If the West want to outlast Russia economically, we can. But we are cucked and will cave even if it goes against our interests.
>>521923250>But ofcourse you can't trust amerishits with anything.You shouldn’t have started a war that was obviously always going to be lost you retarded globohomo jew. You shouldn’t have coup’d the legitimately elected Ukrainian government in 2014. You made this shit bed, you get to sleep in it.
>>521915664I read that in the German media too. All of them copy and paste the same news reports from the same agency feeds. Reuters, AP, DPA. Anyone who deviates gets travel and publishing bans for bullshit charges and has his office burned down by pro-regime Antifa gangs. Free and independent media with western characteristics.
>>521915164Seems like a fair deal. Ukraine fucked around and now they've found out. Take the deal or take an even worse one a year from now.
>>521923446one of the strongest militaries in the world managing to only take 20% of ukraine after 4 years, is a military loss of epic proportions. They lost 1.5 million russian soldiers and almost all their tanks, fighting a lilliput ukraine only marginally larger than super tiny germany.Plan a) should be let usa get bankrupt and tell usa to fuck right out of europe on a permanent basis.And everytime ukraine push them back suddnetly american gps like maxar sattelites and skylink fucking turns off on the US side so ukraine doesn't know the positions. Americans have been such atrocious bastards to ukraine this entire conflict that ukrainians and rest of world including rest of europeans will NEVER forget it.And now trumpenfattard want to give putin the victory. That 28 point plan is literally every part of it is what putin wants. Since he needs to go rebuild the entire russian economy and military arsenal post haste, or it will take 30 years before russia is ready to even try invade ukraine again. And putin want to help putin by giving them even more than what they have taken. AND DIAL DOWN UKR MILITARY and try to say that ukraine can never ever join NATO. It's usa need to be kicked the fuck out of NATO it's well overdue these cockroaches who sit thousands of kilometers away across the atlantic ocean, get quarantined on their shitmerican afrohead garbage land.
>>521923419Just two more weeks until the counter offensive to retake Crimea.
>>521915164Nobody has been given more chances to end this war than Zelensky has.
>>521923594>uk>france>germanyThe three big eu economies going into recession, while commiting suicide with third world replacement. Do you have a plan c?
>>521923746how much do they pay you to write such hilarious thing?
>>521923746Why meme-flag, tho? xD
>>521923746They lost 200.000 at worst, Ukraine is the one with 2 mill casualties, otherwise they woudn't be snatching every single male that steps outside of a building kek
>>521923594The west would be willing to outlast Russia if it were for some other than besides Ukraine. Ukraine has been known as the scammer zone of Europe ever since the Soviet union collapsed. You’re simply not going to erase 20 years of cultural impression.
>>521923627>Seems like a fair deal. Ukraine fucked around and now they've found out. Take the deal or take an even worse one a year from now.it's time for canada and usa of shitstain to mind its own busfiness, take every immigrant in world and then go bankrupt in 15 years in case of USA. Instead of trying to rob ukraine by pretending to help.USA should have no say in this conflict whatsoever. THese fat cockroaches don't even live on the continent it is happening in. And then they want 50% of the profits for rebuilding ukraine on top of handing big parts of ukraine over to russia.Trump deserves a bullet right in his fucking head same as putin. What a sad thing that that american cockroach fucking missed.
>>521923815No. As I said it is a matter of will. And we are cucked af.
>>521923889Show flag, piggie.
>>521923446This is not a territorial conquest. This is a war of attrition. Classic Clausewitzian strategy. Destroy the enemy army and the enemy country is yours to take. The territory can be taken later, once the military is destroyed and the government is forced to surrender at gunpoint. Russia has many times more resources than Ukraine. Ukraine cannot win.
