TOTAL PIGGER DRAFT
Russia needs them to surrender the rest of Donetsk oblast because it would take the Russian army another 3 years to take it by force.
>>521937104Based President for Life Zelenskyy!
>>521937104He's in the same boat as Bibi now, end the war and go to jail, continue it and stay in charge
>>521937104fake news
It was the right move. The whole of Europe will stand with him.
It was the right move. Vans shall go.
nmp
>>521937104He has until Thursday to make a decision. No fighting on the weekends anyway so he has like 3ish days to make up his mind.
>>521937240Germany and France would still be at war and the US would rule Iraq and Afghanistan if moving fast mattered in war but it looks like you need to kill your enemies to win a war, shocking right?
>>521937104He's trying to run the clock. He knows Putin is sick and is betting on him dying soon.
>>521937729>if moving fast mattered in warmoving fast is very important in war. only a retard would say otherwise
>>521937104It was a crap proposal written by Russia.
>>521937104>noooo blumpf is forcing us to surrenderi don't get itthe peace deal is mostly status quo. ukraine doesn't surrender any territory it doesn't already controlukraine also lacks the military capacity to reconquer already lost territoryso what is the alternative according the hohols? collective national suicide?or do piggies think that any day now puccia will collapse and they will reclaim everything, including crimea?
>>521937104Stay on reddit retard
>>521937904Does Russia even know they wrote it?
>>5219371047324 hours into the 24 hour ill stop the war meme haha lol lmao
>>521937104I don't think he's getting those 2 regions back in the east unless he carpet bombs it or sends in a million in a human wave attack. So, probably time to negotiate.t. 5500 hours in the Sims 2
>>521937104This guy is going to get couped, or he’ll do what Hitler did when he’s in a bunker and the capital gets siegedI don’t want that btw, but the writing is in the wall
>>521938077They must keep fighting. Any losses can be easily fixed by accepting immigrants.
>>521937104Its suicide to take it, not suprising.
>>521937811wait till westoids find out that putin may as well be a conservative as far as russian politics gothey long for putin to be gone, only to discover the next russian leader may be deranged enough to use nukes on ukraine
>>521937416Bibi has been in this game for more than a decade though and has been reelected many times and avoided persecution and jail
>>521937104>proposal basically gives Russia everything and Ukraine nothing (a temporary peace until the next invasion doesn't count)
>>521937104>reddit screencap
>>521938303it literally "gives" russia nothing they do not already have
>>521938194Incorrect. Ukraine can rebuild. Ukraine is not a people, it is the land. They can always bring in new immigrants to live on the land but if the land is stolen by Russia then Ukraine will be gone forever.
That was kinda obvious.>give up fortified territories>reduce your army>we pinky promise not to invade again, who cares if we already broke that promise beforeNah, not going to work.
>>521938596I like the way you think, I also agree that hohol question must be closed once and for all, with the coffin lid
>>521938727To the last pidor.
>>521938596>>521938771why aren't you kikes at the front?
>>521938303>Ukraine nothingHow about this - they get to keep existing as a country, which is a better deal than they would get if Russia is allowed to take the war to its logical conclusion. That's what happens when you are losing a war that you have no chance of winning - the other side gets everything and you get to walk away.
>>521938771Hop in the van anytime.
>>521938442It gives them time to recuperate, get ready, and prepare a second invasion
>not a single kamikaze suicide attemptMy parents were right, Ukrainians aren't human,I feel 0 empathy towards them
>>521938727Sign the contract, pussy LMAO
>>521937104
>>521937729Yes, yes, this austrian get it. Russia, you do you, no need to hurry. I'm sure you have enough people for the MeatZturm
>>521938077Alternative is weapons that Trump is scared shitless to give them.
>>521938771We seem to agree on many things
>>521937104>Rejects the same peace deal he rejected the last 6 times Trump/Putun brought ut up.It's actually hillarious that Trumps peace plan is just the same plan Russia suggested for the last 3 years.The US/Ukraine basically gets nothing compared to before, Trump is the weakest negotiator, absolute cuckery
>>521937104Hopefully he rejects the military aid as well next,
At some point they hohols are just going to stop fighting anyways, he should’ve taken the deal now instead of losing odessa and whatever else
>>521939095who knew begging the government for gibs on your hotels is a lot easier than trying to convince a russian retard tyrant to give up.
>>521937822moving fast only matters if you use it to kill your enemies, moving fast for the sake of moving fast is retarded and is what lost you the middle east
>>521937104I heard Agent Z was afraid Jewkraine might lose dignity. I thought I'd die from laughter.
>>521938771It's funny how they cry when Ukrainians post in these threads, especially when most don't even have Russian flags so shouldn't really have any investment in Russians dying, and yet here they are, 3 posts of crying.
>>521937104I wish America had men as brave as Zelensky.
Not saying he wouldn't but he hasn't said anything yet.This is just an old screen cap from the last time he did reject it
>>521939347Yeah and as tall!
>>521937104Because that peace deal is retarded and Russia will just invade again.
>>521938945it is pigkraine that is collapsing demographically and economicallyif this peace doesn't last, it will be pigkrainians who will benefit the most
Okay so who is actually winning and why hasn't this war escalated?
>>521938449>we didn't need the native population or culture anyway>it had no real strategic importanceAlso you sound like a total globohomo Jew by saying the above don't matter. You better be speaking sarcastically.
>>521939308>even maple trees can be sour from filthy rootskek
>>521939223You seem awfully invested in Trump for a brit, and like to deflect to unrelated matters.Trump can't negotiate. He copied Russia's peace plan word for word and got nothing for the US, Europe or Ukraine. Is this how you haggle in Russia?No concessions just cuckery. I can't believe you're defending it lmao.
>>521937104Only thing left to do: activate The Polish Plan.Poland invades from the west and they have not enough to defend both ends but rather than kill anyone Poland just makes a deal with Zelinsky to surrender, make Ukraine a Polish State and then let Russia have its land and then you have East/West Poland. Nice and easy.
>>521939066>if we escalate the conflict to the point where WW3 begins, maybe pigkrainians can winfuck that lmaoalso what did pigkrainians do with all the weapons that biden gave them other than lose battle after battle?
>>521939079I would rather have lgbtqia+abcd parades than my president kissing the Quran, ngl.
>>521939347There's loads of kikes here too.
>>521938303>>521938442This is why Russia won't accept the deal. Why would they, when they can burn Kiev to the ground within 5 years?
>>521939095It's not our war. Why would the US get anything anyway? Ukraine is getting nothing because they lost, and Russia is getting everything because they won. It's that simple. You retards here these words like "deal" or "settlement" and you foolishly think it's some kind of 50/50 split where each side walks away with something. You're terribly mistaken about how war works. Russia won so they get everything. Ukraine lost, so the only thing they "get" is an opportunity to walk away and have Russia stop beating on them. And it's the best deal they're going to get
>>521937104Based Vlad "Agent Z" Zelenksy.Cucktin could never muster such dedication to THD.
>>521939455Posting barely legible proverbs is a Russian thing retard great job giving yourself away.>>521939011What do you mean by kamakazi? What are you imagining they'd do.
>>521939470>You seem awfully invested in Trump for a britthe name trump is in ops picture retard>deflect to unrelated matterstrump russia ukraine putin and zelensky are unrelated matters in this post? Are you mentally retarded or just a zigger on a uk vpn lmao>some more pointlessly babbethe fuck are you on about you fucking dimlo
>>521939563>EverythingWhy not ask for full capitulation then if they've "won". Clearly you think you have the means, Russian, and yet here we are.
>>521938119They were caught giving it to a Trump stooge.
>>521939658>Entire post of 70iq brown sloppaNah thanks I like talking to humans.
I always wonder why the USA without pay or obligation continues to care about Ukraine. Why does it stay in NATO despite just about everyone but France, Poland and Greece being completely worthless. It could even keep it's bases in Europe without the security obligations. What's the point? Why does everyone take for granted that the USA benefits somehow? I mean they're allies with Germany which makes no sense. Even noon strategically Germans despise Americans. Why does the United States care about Europe at all? Their largest trade partner is Canada and their Navy is powerful enough to do anything it wants.
>>521937104Fake News JD Vance hasn't left the meeting yet. Someone's in there sucking someone's dick right now, so this thing isn't over til it's over!
>>521939806>can't retort a single thing i said because he went full heave ho at me then realised what a fucking retard he wasngmi you fucking nigger slavshitter
>I NEED MORE BULLETS I NEED MORE BULLETS
>>521937104This Ukraine war must be one of the most tragic and pointless modern events. People are dying for nothing.
actor Jewish liberal puppet grinds Ukrainians to death for $$$
>>521939722The situation is obviously complicated by Western intervention. Without the West propping up Ukraine, yeah, Russia could take the whole country. But the West doesn't want to risk direct war with Russia by helping Ukraine push into Russia, and Russia doesn't want to risk war with the West by pushing all the way through to NATO's doorstep. Everyone knows this, which is why the war has stagnated. But make no mistake, Russia has won- or at the very least, Ukraine has no chance of victory
>if only you knew how bad things really are
>>521938596To the last piggie it is
>>521937104Based Zelensky.
russia going into a recession must be riling putler up
>>521939922>peopleglobalist serfs of kikes are not people, I'm sorry anon, nor their handlers recognize them as such.
>>521939881>BIGGER WEAPONS
>>521937240>because it would take the Russian army another 3 years to take it by force.Russia doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry.
the only bad part about this is that hardly any shirtskins are dying except the ones putin manages to snag from NK and the caucuses.
>>521939428>ww3 You mean putberg's red lines? because we already heard about those red lines over 9000 times before.
>>521940236just went into a recession btw tick tock times a ticking, >>521940340
>>521937104did anyone in the US administration even read the rissian wish list before they put it before Zelenskiy? That shit is self contradictory and just legally illiterate, as if they wanted him to reject it outright. Picrel is the new russian chief negotiator.
Ukraine will be majority indian before I blink out.
>>521937104O B V I O U S L YBVIOUSLY
>>521937104Warmongering dictator.
>>521937104Various people in various countries took turns stirring the pot and grabbed money and then fucked off, and now Zelensky is being left to hold the bag. He should take a deal, save what face he can, try to get some sort of security deal for his own life, and hope to disappear into obscurity in one of his foreign mansions.And yes, I don't think this would've happened had it been Trump in office, if only because the Biden administration was essentially headless, so all sorts of underlings were running around starting fires while no one was minding the store.
>>521938077>i don't get itat this point, I can only assume that the purpose is to depopulate Ukraineotherwise it would make no sense to continue
>>521937104Now Trump rejects sending him, money, ammo, weapons, intelligence data and restricts GPS access.
Surely, they let the dotard in on the plan..?
>>521937729>Germany and France would still be at warGermany v France is like the poster child of how valuable speed is in war.>the US would rule Iraq and AfghanistanThat was never our goal. It was to install a government that would work with us diplomatically. We won Iraq and Afghanistan very quickly. But we didn't have the political will to maintain control after our occupation.War isn't about who loses the most bodies, otherwise Germany would have overtaken the USSR. War is all about breaking the enemy's will to continue fighting.
>>521939437Ukraine will flourish from becoming a nation of immigrants, as did the USA. India has a surplus population, we can resettle and rebuild as long as Russia is not allowed to take territory.
>>521940547Also never happens. It's almost 2026 you should know Trump is not different from any neocon psycho clowns.
>>521938596But that's about to happen anyway
>>521938909>hat's what happens when you are losing a war you can really tell which people have never been in a physical fight in their whole lives and think that it works like in movies, where willpower trumps everything and you just gotta keep standing up till you win.in reality, when you get your ass handed to you, you eventually decide to just stay down so it ends instead of risking to provoke the other side into killing you.instead, they keep going>but it's not fair?!life isn't fair.
>>521940441I feel like if this shit will go on for another year China will start liberating Siberia. Because what's a little puttie gonna do, call Trump lol?
>>521937104>TO THE LAST UKRANIANThousands upon thousands of Ukrainians have died. And thousands more will continue to die. It's tragic. But it's the consequence of fighting evil. Putin must be defeated.
>>521937104the idea that europe thinks its going to lecture, chide and simply demand Russia surrender to ukraine is fundamentally batshit insane, just as insane as the london/nato approved '10pt ukrainian peace plan":"Russia can sit with its hands folded quietly, while nato and ukraine (the winners) decide its fate,and when decided, Russia will accept the decision, bow, and exit the room in silence"and now, for the decision:>ceasefire time-out so ukraine and nato can catch their breath and re-arm>restoration of ukraine to 1991 borders>Putin is arrested, tried, then executed at the hague for 'war crimes'>Russia is de-militarized, balkanized and divided into small adminstrative zones under nato command>assets of former Russian federation are redistributed across europe as reparations>Russian people are collectively punished for 'voting for Putin">ukraine joins nato>ukraine gets nukesthis^ is the literal, actual (((10 step plan for peace))) ukraine and nato have stated are THE STARTING POINT for even considering the first word of negotiation with Russia (which is currently still "illegal" under ukrop law)the ukraine can literally go ass fuck itselfthats its future
>>521940536the purpose of this russia wish list is to give TACO a way out of imposing the new "crippling" sanctions on russia. They were supposed to take effect today, so now Trump can say. well, we'll postpone the sanctions by 30-60-90 days because pootin's back at the negotiations table. This shit literally happened 4 times before and produced exactly the same result - war no where near paused, let alone over.
>>521941006China will fuck taishit up and then japan and all your proxy niggers in the east.
>>521940761>But that's about to happen anywayYou've been saying this for four yearsDefine "about to" plsLike approximate time range
>>521938596Your people are more important than this shit you fucking mongoloid. You are getting genocided by a kike midget and his CIA handlers and all you think about is getting back some frozen hills with concrete blocks??You already lost as many men as France did during WW1, from which we never recovered even tho we were among the top 3 powers worldwide AND we won the war. Meanwhile you already were Liberia-tier before the war with korean-tier demographics, how do you think your country will do in the coming decades? Continue this path for 1 more year and your country wont exist by 2040. You need to fucking WAKE UP.
>>521940340man that's some prime nigger logic>putin didn't nuke us for giving ukraine ammo, therefore we may as well give ukraine nukes and surely nothing will happenyou truly earned your flag
>>521941074Much easier to just liberate Siberia tho.
>>521937104With corruption charges hovering around his closest cabinet members its only a matter of time before he is replaced. He will never accept any agreement that doesn't allow him to remain an electionless dictator.
>>521937104So now what? Honestly if I were Trump I'd just fucking withdraw all support at this point. We're not wasting any more resources on your war, if you don't wanna end it peacefully then you can draw this war out to its conclusion on your own.
>>521941007How come soros isnt paying people to protest over there anymore? Mission accomplished and time to move on to new places?
>>521941205Sure sure zigger just two more red lines kek.
Here are the terms:>Russia keeps all the land they took so far and more>Ukraine is not allowed to join NATO>Ukraine is not allowed to join EU>Ukraine has to pay back USA for all the military aid>Ukraine has to give 50% of all minerals to USAWhat kind of bullshit deal is this? What stops Russia from invading a second time in the future and finishing the job?
>>521937104T R A D E O F F E R: :D:D:D:D>I get:- Donbass- Crimea- Zaporizhia- Your abolishment of the military- Zelensky steps down- No NATO or EU ever- Put my puppet in place>you get:- Nothing, and we take the rest of Ukraine in 6 months as well.
jews will do everything in their power to make sure Whites are exterminated, all while convincing (You) that the Aryan looking Whites are "actually not White at all" so you cheer the whole thing on.
>>521939470>Trump can't negotiate.Putin has cards (pee tapes and photos with bubba), Zelensky doesn't
>>521940730Too obvious.
>>521941446crimea river
>>521937104> TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN It is easy to say when you are a fucking kike and your only allegeance is to israelHe is only here to destroy ukraine
>>521941333Soros being a paypig for globohomo NGOs mysteriously stopped after USAID was getting shut down, go figure...
>>521941062You have to understand that Europe in particular is under a colossal propaganda effort since 2022, and our delusional leaders are putting on an act. Be well assured every single intel agency and general in Europe knows that not only has Russia already won, but Ukraine and Europe have no leverage to demand anything. The politicians have to maintain this weird pretense of having global diplomatic sway in order to keep the broad populace onside. We went straight from the psyop theatre of "covid" into this war and it's just a pivot of the propaganda, European leaders seem absolutely committed to the blackrock-isation of Ukraine and the laundering of as much money as possible, the moment they tell the truth about the war they lose that mandate with dumb normies.
>>521941481Damn you zigger faggots don't even have pseudo arguments anymore and just give up the pretense. I'm shocked at this new level of honesty. Come on, can I at least get a funny "IT WAS HATO WHO ATTACKED FIRST!!!" for old time's sake?
>>521937822Well the US is the reigning back to back war losing champion so I think perhaps you are the retard here
>>521941649The weak should fear the strong. If you don't like it then stop being conquered. Fight back better.
>>521941173>You are getting genocided by a kike midgetthank for pointing out pootin's allegiances and height. Ukrainians' only only chance to survive as an ethnicity is to keep fighting for their homeland. Anywhere russia takes over it literally erases the Ukrainian identity, prohibits the language, culture and history and murders and imprisons those that resist ... it's open, russian state sponsored genocide of Ukrainians.
>>521941786I agree, Ukraine should get nukes and use them.
>>521941850If ukraine can build its own nukes then ukraine is free to try engaging in a nuclear war.
>>521941398Wrong. Jewkraine is allowed to join the EU.
>>521941786>the strongkek, but your "strength" is an illusion, pidor.
>>521937104Everytime he rejects a deal the Russians should demand a 10km added buffer zone on the Ukrainian side of the border.
>>521938596Wait, why are you in the trenches....
>>521941579>Europe in particular is under a colossal propaganda effort since 2022Was reading a paper not long ago showing the past 3 years, we got over 1,500 (((newspapers))) covers in France being about how evil Putler is and why we should start a WW3 with Russia.To put it in context, there have been 0 covers to praise for peace in the same timeframe.And that's not counting on the thousands upon thousands of hours of TV propaganda and politicians going full warmongered.Our newly appointed army chief of staff just was on the talmudvision yersterday to tell us we have to prepare for all white kids to be drafted to go to war with Russia by late 2026 lol.
>>521939470> lose a war and then demand concessions from the victorArt of the deal, baby.
>>521941398They can't finish the job right fucking now, and they wouldn't brazenly defy the offer like this if they were concerned they'd totally capitulate soon. They'd be scrambling to agree to it.
>>521939497>also what did pigkrainians do with all the weapons that biden gave them other than lose battle after battle?Embezzlement, see the latest corruption scandal.
>>521939722>Why not ask for full capitulation then if they've "won".Well, yes. Ponder a bit more if you can, maybe eventually you'll figure it out, lol.
>>521941398See my posts above because I've alr already talked about this and frankly, I don't feel like saying it again.>What stops Russia from invading a second time in the future and finishing the job?There are no guarantees that Russia won't invade again. And I don't mean that in terms of this deal. I mean that in general. That sort of guarantee doesn't exist in this world. What do you envision such a guarantee to even look like?Russia promises not to invade again?They already did that, and they broke that promise. Protections from the west? They had that too, and that only works up to a certain point. The harsh reality of the world is that there is no guarantee that another country won't decide to invade you other than your own strength. But when you're a tiny country, like Ukraine next to a much bigger country like Russia, you are always going to run the risk that one day they might just decide to take you over. And that's true, no matter how many promises they make to the contrary, and even allies promising to defend you, as we have seen with this current war only extend so far. It's not a blank check. So this guarantee that Russia won't invade again simply doesn't make exist..
>>521941812what ethnicity? What identity? This fake country was created by commies in 1917 you tard.
>>521938077Europe is preparing to war. They want to attack Russia in this decade. So he needs to hold on until they will finish the preparations and launch totalen krieg.You can see all the signs: preparing Romania as the main transport hub, building up military industry in Germany, stressing the population with the treat of drones. They are going to do it.
>>521941398>What kind of bullshit deal is this?One grounded in reality>what is stopping Russia from doing XNothing. Nothing the Americans are willing to fund or die for, anyway. And rightfully soTrump, for all his faults, has excellent political instincts. He’s fundamentally sharp. I don’t like everything he’s done but his way of handling Ukraine has been far better than any Euro politician and his predecessors. This stops the war as it is now and keeps Ukraine in a box. The Russians are happy, the Americans stop paying for it and the Baltoids and Poland get told to stop LARPing. Germany, France and the UK end up with severe embarrassment. Russia wasn’t going to agree to anything less than that. It’s quite content to keep at it. Trump knows that nothing has worked, and doesn’t fancy starting WW3, so it’s basically a “shut up and sign the paper” job for Ukraine which they’ve turned their nose up at. If everyone had taken the Donald’s approach millions of people would still be alive Conversely, what exactly was he supposed to do? The US isn’t treaty bound to provide troops to Ukraine. Their perception is that they’ve been to Europe twice to intervene in major wars and probably shouldn’t have bothered, and I can’t say I disagree with that sentiment. We shouldn’t have bothered either
>>521942034>> lose a wartwo more weeks and you'll take keeiiifff-in-three-days, pidrila?
>>521937104>Source: my assThat being said, Jewlenskyy has no choice but to accept the peace offer, regardless if it's made by Putin with its goals to occupy Donbas. Shabbos Trump has him on the balls now.
>>521937104THE LAST UKRAINIAN
>>521941398Don't forget the clause "but if Ukraine attacks us everything is void", which means "we will just make a false flag and invade".
>>521938771No Kupiansk, bro
>>521939635>kamakazi? What are you imagining they'd do.explode
Gonna be real funny when he finally gets KYS'd.
>>521942328>Europe is preparing to war. They want to attack Russia in this decade.The zigger mind works in mysterious ways.
>>521939280>waaaaah war is unfair!Because this retarded narcissist jew didn't get all the glory of being a modern day napoleon he's having a little cry.
>>521938771Shouldn't be advancing in the wrong direction then?
>>521942289kek, here's a French map from the 17th century, since you're pretending to be a Frenchman here, pidorok.
>>521941579Yes anon 5million professional soldiers in the EU armies are gonna roll over for the ivan meat wave. You are living in a alternate reality.
>>521941090like 1.5 years and the Russians would control all of Donetsk, and then what they have elsewhere now.
>>521942473People meme about this but it isn’t Russia that keeps begging for ceasefires and negotiations. Ukraine goes to the table, brings NATO with it and then refuses anything that Trump or Putin offer. They might not like that but the reality is that the Americans and Russians are making the decisions and will hash out the outcome of the war, not a bunch of grey EU types and ZelenskyUkraine is being asked, as it is now. Eventually the US will order it to sign something and that won’t be as nice of an outcome as what they’re being offered at the moment
>>521937104Browns seething once again that their tsar is going to keep getting them killed.
>>521937104What's more likely, 3rd World War or 2nd American Civil War?
>>521942335>Their perception is that they’ve been to Europe twice to intervene in major wars and probably shouldn’t have botheredIt handed them the world on a plater and allowed them to remain the uncontested hegemon for a century. Not a bad deal at all for showing up at the last minute (after years of selling overpriced weapons & shells) and very few casualties compared to others.Plus it's not like they had a choice, it was decided by their kikes masters on both occasions.The biggest losers of US interventionism always have been Germany, France, UK and Russia (in that order).
>>521937104They cannot surrender. They would all die along with entire extreme nationalist squad.They will keep doing what they're doing and if/when support ends, they will sneak out of the country, leaving everything in ruin.
>>5219428873rd world war unironically.
>>521942887Both would happen at the same time
>>521942686Oh, I see you are one of these who believe what Russia has plans of attacking NATO? Never tested for iodine deficiency?
>>521942765Where is the reality that the EU has a coherent defence policy (the first page of the current one states that European defence is ultimately down to the US) and manages to politically navigate the enormous losses that would come with such a war?
>>521943022Oh, you don't know? Putler LITERALLY wants to conquer all of Europe because... well... he just does.
>>521942887Im not participating in a WW3 ever.
>>521943005>>521943018Will Russia invade NATO or will China invade Taiwan? Or Something else?
>Rejects peace talks for the 9th time>Sits down for his monthly video conference with Blackrock CEO Larry Fink>Asks EU for another 135 billion euros in cash.>Orders 30x JAS-30 Gripen and 30x Mirage Rafale and picks Klarna payment plan-option at checkout (buy now, pay never).>Lowers conscription for the 5th time so he can achieve Volkssturm and reclaim the lost areas he had already sold to BayerAG & Nestlé.>Tips of his embezzling staff members before raids so they can escape to Israel with hundreds of millions each.I have Zelensky fatigue
>>5219428872nd civil war 100%.Do you know why? It's simple really, we don't have the manufacturing capacities to wage war anymore. That's the downside of becoming a tertiary service economy.
>>521943093kek that's what it's more likely than a US civil war. there's like 5 different ways it could start.
>>521942029That's why it was honestly shocking seeing the opposite on Hungarian TV and radio, where they'll just tell you EU heads in Brussels want to push Hungarians to fight foreign wars for them.No wonder they hate Orban so much. I'm also surprised they haven't kicked them out of the EU yet, maybe that's why Orban is sucking up to Israel and the US so much, having even stronger allies might deter the Germans from completely fucking them over.
>>521943093Wouldn't nato attacking russia be more accurate?
>>521943172>we don't have the manufacturing capacities to wage war anymore.Combined you do.
>>5219428873rd World War, duh. The more interesting question is on which side America would be fighting
>>521941398No one wants Ukraine in the EU. Most corrupt country there is. They will literally import 10 million jeets after the war is over.
>>521939095why would losers get anything. kek. delusional.
>>521943183Interesting. Is Poland going to attack Russia?
>>521937104Does he realize that it is US who does the main job? It sends the weapons and aims the strikes with own intel. Ukraine literally just provides meat and EU only pays for everything. What kind of cards does he have. The only thing he can do as a leverage in negotiations is to threaten US to stop providing soldiers.
>>521941398the real answer is security guarantees in the form of an article 5 like treaty with the US and European countries.
>>521943275Doubt it
>>521942328>my country attacks other nations>this means other nations want to attack me>we have to look out for other armies>while we attack other nations
>>521943235We really don't. France produces like 4,000 shells of 55mm per year, to put it in context, that's how much is sent on hohols' heads every morning.So yeah if WW3 span from 8AM to 12 we might wage a war.
Wait till war is still happening I thought Trump ended it 12 times?
>>521943113This!Unless there is total world war, Ukraine will never be able to reclaim that land.
>>521943241The United States is not going to side with Russia. In fact, it's our destiny to go to war with Russia because it's been brewing since 1945. I just hope it doesn't happen. I mean, all things considered we would probably mop the floor with Russia, but still.
>>521938596You don't understand my friend. They want to prolonger the war to kill as many of you as possible and then fill your country with niggers, muslims and other shit! The same as they do with the rest of the Europe!
>>521939095Ukraine is 100% reliant on American and Euro gibs. If they stop they will lose within a year.What kind of fucking bargaining chips do you think they have?
>>521942645why do you pidors are so prone to lying? "The Ministry of Defense (of russia) published a video showing Russian flags from several areas of Kupyansk, the liberation of which Valery Gerasimov reported to Vladimir Putin yesterday.The footage includes facilities that have already been under the Russian Armed Forces control for some time.This collection, however, does not contain any video confirming ground control of new part of the city center, nor of its southeastern part on the left bank of the Oskol River."
>>521943360Completely logical.
>>521937104Can Ukraine bomb x2 the Kremlin now?
>>521937104love this little nigga like you wouldnt believe
>>521939506You will get both
>>521939437Anon is clearly being sarcastic. The scary part is though that this is this is literally how our jewish leaders think
>>521943393the europeans don't want it to end :(
he will not rest until every hohol gets heightmogged by him
C O C A I N E
>>521942762Indeed
>>521937104Do you know it might be the Anglokike in me but, I didn't want it to end, I was almost sad
>>521939922Fucking ziggers ruin everything, no wonder /pol/ have been calling them the niggers of europe for decades now.
>>521942850>Eventually the US will order it to sign somethinnope, the US does not give ANY help to Ukraine anymore, it sells weapons to NATO and then NATO passes it on to Ukraine. Trump has no cards, so to speak. And in a coupe of weeks he may have his hands full with the whole Epstein files little problem, when real shit stars to come out. And to make the matters worse for Trump, his own party is turning on him as we speak. None of the political animals in the Senate and his administration want to be on the wrong side of it, helping Trump out in any way.
>>521938596Cucktin himself today just said what Trump's plan is fine and all, but Russia is perfectly comfortable with how and in which direction war is going on so in case the Hruckraine keeps playing "touch-me-not" bitch, we are ok with this. Talks can wait, until you, retards, grow some brain.
>>521941812>Exist as Ukrainians with a smaller country without the Russian oblasts>Exist as a western style economic zone full of third world replacement immigrants.Pick one.
>>521942328>preparing Romania as the main transport hubConsidering how well went the last transport hub test this month, you really have nothing to worry about. We couldn't even manage to move 7,500 troops in less than 3 weeks from France to the eastern romanian borders, and we even lost some in the process.The exercices in urban sectors were even worse than that, we didn't change our tactic since ww2 in the drone era, it's just beyond clownesque.The EU is nowhere near capable of facing Russia, we are led by a gerontocratic melting pot of greedy corrupt retards. The minute things will start to heat they will cower in fear. And it wont even be fear of the russians, but of their own pissed off populations.
>>521943439People get drawn into this thinking that it’s going to be a four power solution. The EU, Ukraine, USA and Russia. It isn’t. As you say, the Ukrainians don’t have anything to offer. Their leverage went years ago and now they’re unable to even offer concessions, because they aren’t the ones conducting the negotiations. The EU has never looked more ridiculous which is surprising, considering it always has been ridiculousTrump knows that it’s between him and Putin and all the Ukrainians have to do is sign it and it’s over. They aren’t going for it. This isn’t because they are against such and such a detail, but they are convinced that they can actually win and are holding out for that. Think about how silly that is for a second. Your only substantial backer thinks you are done for and should concede. Your enemy is explicit about why the war started and what they would view as acceptable conditions for ending it. Yet you persist with the idea that you are somehow the main character in the whole saga, but you are literally there to either capitulate or refuse and keep getting blown up
>>521937104So this is what is going to happen.>someone close to zelensky will try assassinate him>a Russian spy will try to asseniate him>a CIA operative will try to asseniate himAll three individuals will bump into eachother three stooges style but at the end Zelensky will be dead.It's the only solution to this cluster fuck.
>>521943022>Oh, I see you are one of these who believe what Russia has plans of attacking NATO?You've threatened the Baltics so many times it stopped being funny. Just like you weren't going to attack Ukraine. You faggots like as easily as you get raped in the ass by your superiors. As in, daily.
>>521937104Ukraine should just make dirty bombs with whatever materials they can recover from their NPPs and give Russia a deadline to retreat or the dirty bombs will rain all over Eurasian Russia. They got nothing left to lose.
>>521943930Thanks, for confirmation. Still, no iodine deficiency test? You better do one.
>>521943930Never trust a zigger, Stalin murdered more Russians than any enemy of them and they fucking love the guy. It's a trash people which has suffering in their blood, if they aren't suffering they will ensure their fellow men is suffering.
>>521943777what is that even supposed to prove, retard? Half of European countries did not even exist till the mid 19th -beginning of 20th century, some didn't even have the names they do now.
>>521943996>nothing to loseI mean aside from planet earth, yes you are right
>>521943868its starting to look like ukraine will do something really stupidlike, dirty bomb stupidand then the whole thing will derail completely
>>521937416>go to jailLol keep coping ZMIGA
>>521944204Yeah, why is it their problem? If the planet is selling them, they can sell the planet. The Russians are lucky the Ukrainians have a jew for a president. I'd have handled them in the first 72 hours.
>What would stop Russia from just invading again later Crazy how many retards ITT forget what started this whole thing
>>521943996>least insane NAFOtard
>>521937104Is this cannibalism?
>>521944291>Crazy how many retards ITT forget what started this whole thingYou're talking in a Russian shill infested thread, what do you expect
>>521944168It didn't say "it appeared at some point" you retard. It Said NEVER. English is fun when you understand it
>>521944219if you notice, pidrila, only russia threatens everyone with the nukes ... funny how you always project as the first instinct.
>>521944344Why would this be an offense?
>>521944326See how quickly the mutts run to the table when the world is in danger? That's how you get the orange to the table. No cards? Here's my cards and its the entire deck. You are simply used to retard politics.
>>521944264>If the planet is selling them, they can sell the planet.that's why bosni-acks are never invited to the negociation tables. Take some valium and go to sleep instead of impotently trying to look tough.
>>521944403I'm not talking about Russian shills You niggers kept poking the bear and it attacked Talk shit get hit
>>521944264It’s their problem because it isn’t their decision to make. They are working under the guidelines and limitations of whatever the US tells them and no US government is going to suggest that>yeah can you start WW3 please because Russia was mean to the EU Parliament Doesn’t really seem likely, does it?
>>521944426>only russia threatens everyone with the nukesShow me one fact that proves there is a threat, pigger.
>>521944484>that's why bosni-acks are never invited to the negociation tables.It's better to be never invited to the table than to be owning the table for half a millennium, only to have the doors to the room its in be closed in front of your nose, as is the case for France in global politics.>Take some valium and go to sleep instead of impotently trying to look tough.Is that what you do to cope with turning into Africa?
>>521944515>It’s their problem because it isn’t their decision to make. They are working under the guidelines and limitations of whatever the US tells them and no US government is going to suggest thatThe first problem is that they're asking the US to begin with. >The US won't suggest that!!It's not the US on the line, is it.
>>521944480>we'll just do international nuclear terrorism Ok then we'll just assassinate Zelensky and bomb anyone who opposes regime change.
>>521937416>Bibi>in jailGet a load of this goy
>>521937104Get back into the meat grinder Ivan
>>521944660>Ok then we'll just assassinate Zelensky and bomb anyone who opposes regime change.Good, at least you'll get your hands dirty in some capacity then.
>>521944590>Is that what you do to cope with turning into Africa?Yes. Springled with some opioids and xanax too. Better sleep than see the ocean of niggers in my streets.t. live in a 91% replaced town
>>521937508The whole of Europe will draft a piece of macaroni art of Zelensky and Putin shaking hands and touching tips, and that's about it.
>>521944698Or, and hear me out, you freaks could just stop killing yourselves and take yes for an answer.
>>521944424>"was Ukraine ever an empire such as russia?">garbage in, garbage outjust like your retarded (and manipulative) question to Chat GPT. No one ever claimed Ukraine was ever an empire. Try again, pidorok, but this time make it a bit less obvious.
>>521944547Sorry, he forgot your horde no longer has a single functional nuclear device of any sort.
>>521944753Not an argument but okay I just asked it to stop being a back patting bitch and straight up tell me if it was a nation. So it's not. you being mad about it doesn't change that
>>521941812Do you have any evidence any of that is happening?
>>521944703This reply hurts more than the one before.
>>521944634>make a “dirty bomb” with no method of delivery other than what the US has provided us and use it to attack some Russian citiesRussia is certain to retreat after that. The Americans will be in awe of the Ukrainian bravery
>>521937104Ziggers are getting desperata lmao >p-please wccept the dealAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>521944899would not the radiation deny the effected area to both sides?
>>521944956They already rejected it. the deal was not made by Russia. 2 seconds in Google makes you look less retarded.
>>521942762Ukraine translates as borderland
>>521944504Eupidors have zero self awareness. Take finns for example. First thing they did after declaring independence was declaring war on preoccupied, with yet another war, Russia with land grab intentions. They were allies with ww1 germany. And after signing peace treaty, only 1 year after, they organized yet another hybrid invasion. They had never ending anti soviet hysteria in their press for 20 years straight and acted surprised when USSR did not trust their neutrality in case of imminent war with Germany in the near future, and demanded land exchange to secure second biggest industrial city in the country.Some niggers simply fail to comprehend why they are being beaten into the pulp.
>>521944988Russia said the US needs to get Ukraine to be willing to deal for Russia to seriously consider it.
>>521944899>Russia is certain to retreat after that. The Americans will be in awe of the Ukrainian braveryThe point here is to look at it from a Ukrainian perspective. If they're losing their land, they might as well take the Russians with them. As I said previously, what's the worst that can happen? Die? Lose your country? Its happening anyway.
>>521945159The damage from a "dirty bomb" is zero. You could just dump the chemicals into the river with much greater damage.
>>521945159Ukraine will lose the Donbas anyway, why prolong it and lose even more territory outside of it, even more lives, and even more resources? The deal would give Russia the Donbas, and freeze territory everywhere else; and Ukraine would get article 5 like guarantees and EU membership to rebuild.
>>521944449It's the UK. Everything is illegal
>>521944547>Show me one fact that proves there is a threat"Medvedev: western made missile strikes (by Ukraine) on Russia could be considered a NATO attack. The use of alliance made missiles in this manner could be qualified as an attack by the bloc's countries on Russia. In this case, the right arises to launch a retaliatory strike with weapons of mass destruction against Kyiv and key NATO facilities, wherever they may be."https://tass.ru/politika/22440289medvedev - Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
>>521945294>and freeze territory everywhere elsePinky promise?>article 5 like guaranteesNo, Russia refuses those Realize why this "deal" is retarded? It's a premature capitulation terms attempt by Russia
>>521937104Reminder that the jews made this war happen so they can eliminate white people and build a new jerusalem
>>521945422>No, Russia refuses thoseWe have been negotiating it WITH russia you retard.
>>521944842you know what? Maybe total mutual annihilation isn't so bad after all
>>521945294>Ukraine will lose the Donbas anyway, why prolong it and lose even more territory outside of it, even more lives, and even more resources?>The deal would give Russia the Donbas, and freeze territory everywhere else; and Ukraine would get article 5 like guarantees and EU membership to rebuild.You talk as someone who hasn't had their homeland invaded by land for centuries. You talk about war and death and landgrabs as if you're dealing with poker chips. This is why what I said is the only way to handle the situation; you go all in for the entire table and then they'll listen because everyone listens to Putin because of Russia's capability to destroy the world, not because anyone genuinely fears Russia for other reasons.
>>521937104Yeah>literally
>>521945454Maybe you didn't read the deal brainlet. It has a very convenient exception allowing Russia to invade again
>>521945466ok that's great but there's no military solution for Ukraine. If you really think the eurotards will do anything you're insane. >>521945530post it
>>521937104FUCK YEAH!THEN TO THE LAST POOLACK "CONVERSO" CUM RAG, RAPED TO OBLIVION BY DIRTY KHAZARSthen, the world will be a better place: not great by any standard, but still better
>>521945466you talk like jewtrannyans haven't deserved it, through and throughlmao
>>521943830Who the fuck do you think controls NATO
>>521945294Europe needs Ukraine only as a military base against Russia, preferably paid for by the US. Otherwise, there's no market there, no prospects for production. They don't need agriculture, and they can buy some metals and cheap labor without Ukraine joining the EU.They need Russia to lose so they can dictate trade terms to it. Simply getting Ukraine to support them would be a huge failure, like Somalia becoming a US state.
>>521945553>ok that's great but there's no military solution for Ukraine. If you really think the eurotards will do anything you're insane.I know they won't. Don't ask how I know, the flag makes it obvious. That's precisely why I say that Ukraine needs to go all in with all methods it has. Russia threw out all laws out of their window, so Ukraine should too. I know this is hard to comprehend, but this is unironically the only language the vodkas understand because they would do the same.
>>521944515you lost when you tried to reason with a slav and worst part he's balkanoid and muslim
>>521945554do americans really
>>521944821>Not an argument but okay>"I didn't mean it like that, I just phrased my question so that I would get the answer exactly I wanted ... but it still told me to fuck off."yeah-yeah, go beg somewhere else, pidor.
>>521945713well, at least, they're patriotic
>>521945592>jewtrannyansUnlike Shelomov?
>>521944426See>>521944264
>>521945679Well according to reports we're done with Ukraine if they don't in good faith negotiate. It'll be up to the warmongering eurotards to do whatever it is they want to do. >>521945684Why would nuclear terrorism make Russia stop? If anything it would give them justification to double down ffs.
>>521937729We heard about the total collapse of Ukranian frontlines since early 2023. 2 more weeks and Russia kotels Kramatorsk and Sloviansk.
>>521945775not my probrem, reallyat least, I owe rusgolians rutrackerwhat do I owe jewtrannyans? tremendous corruption of my tyrants, extreme pedotrafficking, jews even existing, and 100% inflationflush them all, really: they're monsters, through and through
>>521945400Trump should stipulate that any major escalation will not be acceptable. This war should have been ended long ago, and when Trump got in it should have ended. Instead however, our so called allies went behind our back to attack Russia. Everyone with any intelligence knew from the start that the most likely conclusion would be ukraine ceding some land as has happened before, and be done with it.
>>521941812>Ukranians as an ethnicityLolLmao evenThe spring of nations was a mistake.
>>521945858The collapse of the front is a collapse because it happens slowly at first, but very quickly in its final moments. Trump clearly needs a deal while the front is still holding. And the Europeans are just addicted gamblers hoping for luck.
>>521942328Eurofags are too pussified to fight a war.
>>521945802>Why would nuclear terrorism make Russia stop? If anything it would give them justification to double down ffsIt would make the entire region they live in and the regions they plan to occupy unlivable for Russians. The only way to stop them from taking more from you is if you make it obvious to them that they'll lose a lot more than they'll gain if they continue. I value life, law and order and you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be speaking sensefully, but this isn't a senseful foe. They don't care about their lives and therefor obviously also not about their adversaries, like barbarians. They act today and believe tomorrow will handle itself with more land under their feet. This is hard to understand for anyone who is normal and values life and I share your sentiment, but this is unironically a Mordor mudvat horde.
He just wants to be the first Slavic billionaire.
thank you america for making europe realise we need to completely uncouple from youstep 1, take all the american bases back
>>521937104I'm 0.7% polish/ukrainian/beloruse. Not sure how I feel about this.
>>521945922It is your problem, but in a roundabout way of a thousand hoops. The last time a Slav decided to love Russia's proxies in my country, your empire ended.
>>521946274This is death for the European elite. The local population will simply kill them without American troops. Every European monarchy has always ensured its security through foreign mercenaries.
>>521937104>Unbelievable jewish man who belong is isreal would rather send every man woman and child to die so he can play jewish leadery does a jew lead a white christian european country ??Why wont he accept peace? Oh that's right because jews dont care about anyone to them we are all worthless goy cattle to be used so "gods chosen people" can play their filthy games. The usa should totally pull the plug on support %100 then when zelensky comes crawling on his knees he should be told to get out of office and go back to isreal
>>521945922Is this webm an Indian horror film?
>>521946504>It is your problemnonot even closefuck them all: both my tyrants, jewtrannyans and all their accomplices>>521946645yesit's also a rusgolian TV adand a pretty good one!
>>521938163Putin understand that Kyiv is a poison chalice. Taking it would give the US and EU the excuse to ramp up weapons and troop support. Putin just wants what he has now and have a formal treaty that essentially neuters Ukraine from ever challenging the Crimea and Donbas regions and strictly forbids joining EU or NATO. Kiev is a geopolitical trap.
>>521946884
>>521946884The fuck would Putin want Kiev for? The $14T of natural resources is in Donbas, not Kiev.
>>521943996NOT. I hope it never come sto this and that they find a solution for this and that at the end of the day all the unnecessary murder stops. I'm sorry for shitposting bros, I had to. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>521939409If this were true why would Russia ever propose peace?
>>521940084>The situation is obviously complicated by Western interventionWestern intervention is what started the war you ignorant fuck.
>>521942211>That sort of guarantee doesn't exist in this world. What do you envision such a guarantee to even look like?A lot of landmines, a big and well funded Ukrainian army, and NATO troops as peace keepers.
>>521947323>propose peace?It doesn't, it proposes that Ukraine surrenders current regions and reduces its current army, while they get a 2-year break until Russia attacks again on pretenses of a false flag in moscow
>>521937104>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAH!
Trump is genuinely the worst president in American history
>>521947149>The fuck would Putin want Kiev for?Did you people fall for the memoryholing of the victory essay on the third day? The Kremlin mouth listed the events as they unfolded in the vatnik heads.
>>521937729Everyone from Sun Tzu to Rommel believed speed was important in war. This is serious cope.
>>521947624
>>521947703He doesn't work for the Kremlin and there's no reason to believe everything he writes is representative of anything.
>>521937104>i will sacrifice every goy-i mean ukranian man to win this warhow is this not war crimes at this point?i swear europe is so fucking weak and effeminate. they are going to beg USA to step in like always and act like we are the war mongers.deal with your shit europe.how the fuck did we go from USA being muttland to this bullshit.
>>521947743Only if your goal is to win. If you goal is to launder money then you want to go as slow as possible.
>>521947617> while they get a 2-year break until Russia attacks again on pretenses of a false flag in moscowWhy would Russia do that if globohomo isn’t building up a massive military to attack Russia from Ukraine with? We’ve had western globohomo politicians openly admit they did that. Merkel herself admitted publicly the Minsk 2 accords weren’t meant to keep the peace but buy time for Ukraine to arm so they could wage war on Russia. No wonder you use a memeflag
>>521947787That's a good one too, frogbro.I don't care about slavs killing other slavs. I just want it to end one way or the other so I don't have to hear about or see it anymore.
>>521947876Both Russian Ukraine are corrupt as hell so I suppose this will never end then.
>>521947878>Why would Russia do that Because that's what they did for this war. You and the other ziggers collectively memoryholed it but there are those that remember the whole kindergarden "shelling" fiasco lmao
>>521947881sameplus I want jewtrannyans to be punished for causing 100% inflationpunished by total genocide
>>521947809>He doesn't work for the KremlinHe is literally from the Kremlin media, this is RIA. And he is a known mouth piece personally.
>>521937104THD TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN SLAVA UKRAINI SLAVA TCK SLAVA EU
>>521947703>fall for Why would we have ever cared what some random asshoke says? The Kremlin officially released their objectives for victory conditions in the war a day or two after the hostilities went hot. The only goals any of us have ever considered or believed were those…. officially published by the Russian government. Does John Stewart speak for the Trump admin because he happens to be an American media dude with his own opinions?
>>521948014Nothing you say will change that the US instigated this war by threatening Russia with its attempted theft of the Donbas minerals.
>>521948123america forcing russia to invade..russia is defacto our puppet vassal bitch now i suppose.
>>521944241yeahit'll be a firing squad for him
>>521937904You have to be fucking retarded to believe that, the stipulation of US using frozen funds to rebuild Ukraine while Russia has to release theirs THEN match the frozen funds to do their part proves it. Literally no one on Earth besides Donald Trump would propose something so stupid.
>>521948161Russia couldn't just let a hoard of resources fall into the hands of a country as aggressive as the US.
>>521948171Europe*, not Russia regarding the funds
>>521948123Yeah, damn that Victoria Nuland for handing out old bread from a garbage bag during Maidan! Russia shouldn't need to compete with such sophisticated glownigger tactics. It's not fair. It's Russia's turn!
>>521947743> Rommel believed speed was important in war. This is serious cope.Rommel lost his war, whatever one wishes to think of him. Globohomo has autistically focused on speed for like 4-5 wars now, because it possesses no true strategic depth. That’s why Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Ukraine have all been long pathetic losses. Maybe these strategists who go slow and with patience have maintained the largest land empire on earth for hundreds of years for a reason.
>>521937104Neither side is actually interested in peace.They'll have to fight long enough for it to not look like Ukraine is surrendering for no reason, or until Russia randomly collapses, as it sometimes does.The problem is that for it to not look bad for zelenski, the ukrainian front would have to properly break, at which point russian demands will increase massively.
>>521947784the cunny brawl of kiev, even
>>521947865> how is this not war crimes at this point?When it comes to jews, the law and justice system just apply to them differently. International law, too.
>>521948303Rommel lost because the Italians cannot into war. His ideas were sound. You still need troops to carry them out.
>>521947865> how the fuck did we go from USA being muttlandNothing about that has changed. Trump said the other day he’s shipping in a lot more pajeets and chinks, too.
>>521948257Remember when Hunter Biden was given a pre-emptive President pardon stretching back to 2014 when he was put on the board of the Ukrainian energy company that found those minerals in Donbas? Funny shit LOL
The financials of the deal, security guarantees, Russian reintegration are particularly heinous. I can’t believe the US had the nerve to present that or why it took them a year to do so. In conjunction with limits on military, it’s hardly a shock there has been push back on Ukraine’s side. US security guarantees aren’t worth the paper they’re written on with a multitude of ‘void warranty’ disclaimers. Ukraine should be negotiating the financials and military growth, needs to pry Trumps tentacles off the financials. They should be in direct correspondence with Russia also.
>>521948465See >>521947930I am aware of the corruption in both countries.
>>521947975Angela Merkel’s public statements which have been published in international media are available for all to see anon. Maybe spend less time selecting memeflags and more time researching things key players in this story have officially said. Key players like the former Chancellor of Germany, for starters.
>>521948123>threatening Russia with its attempted theft of the Donbas minerals.That’s retarded shit. Ultimately it became an existential issue for Russia because when globohomo overthrew that Ukrainian government in 2014, the future of the Sevastopol Naval Yards (which have been the homes of the Russian Black Sea Fleet for hundreds of years) was in doubt. That’s why they decided to go into Crimea and at least take that, while leaving the DOR and LPR as breakaway regions of Ukraine still.
