>you VILL live in ze cardboard cuckpodAbout to close on a DR Horton house lads. I simply can't afford anything else. The boomer retards in my area want 5x what they paid for a house with a shitty roof, 50 year old plumbing just waiting to crack, an HVAC unit on its last legs, and whatever DIY "repairs" their leadbrain dumbasses did over the years that I won't find until later. I refuse to be their exit liquidity. Had two offers rejected and said fuck it, I'm going down to the new development.The houses look alright if a bit cramped, and the walls are probably paper thin, but it'll work. They're not making me pay for the solar and they're buying down my rate, nobody else can compete with that. This is what it's gonna take to survive and have my own garage at least, I've accepted my fate.
>>522028578K
>>522028578kek holy fuck. i do residential home services in california. look into the differences in lumber quality over the past forty years. then look into the changes to building code and methods. you really wanted that boomer's 50-year old structure, you just dont know it yet
these are great houses. id love to live in this neighborhood(assuming it's white)
>>522028881There is also a degree of 'survivorship bias,' meaning that old homes which actually survive over time tend to be well-built compared to those which do not. I rented a house built in the late-1890's for a while, and it was a stout beast of a structure with massive dense wooden beams which still look great today.That's not because all the homes built back then were well-built, but the poorly-built ones already burned down or rotted away.
>>522028578that sucks manmy grandfather was a union electrician for 40 years and built his own house (albeit with some help from his tradie buddies)I inherited when he passedShit is rock solid, even the lumber was better quality back in the 60s. I found an old 2x4 in the basement and it was straight as an arrow. The shit you get at Home Depot now is crooked as a dog leg.
>>522028881I get a 10 year warranty on the frame. Besides, boomer retards built houses just a shittily they just didn't survive until now. Or do you think cutting corners to save money on building something was just barely invented 10 years ago?
>>522029023Too much sun. They need some trees for shade.
>>522028578Noooo I don't want to live in a big house I want to live in a nissan versa in the walmart parking lot!
>>522029133no builder gets wood at home depot, they get it from lumber yards as it's much cheaper.also, stick-built framing doesn't require perfectly straight boards as the entire frame becomes a tension box which is what gives it strength.
>>522029115>That's not because all the homes built back then were well-built, but the poorly-built ones already burned down or rotted away.also in certain cities or streets you'll find that most neighborhoods or tracks of homes were built by the same developer, so if its all still there you know it was done right. a buyer should always do their homework but the general advice i always give is to avoid buying anything built in a year starting with a 2. my mom's home was built in the early 2000s and its a paper shack compared to my 1985 home
>>522029205the trees are already there, they just take a while to grow. the older suburbs you see with lots of shade are only like that because they've been there longer. in 15 years the neighborhood in pic related will look just like the older ones.
>>522028578Good for you. Let the boomers rot in the MLS listings.I've decided to rent forever because I simply don't want to play the real estate game and in order to compete I'd have to shuffle my retirement investments all in on the house like the boomers. I'd rather stay liquid and pay market rate for my roof.It helps that I'm in a market where the rent to price ratio is so fucked that unless you were ready to commit to 30 years, you'd always come out on top by renting (the equivalent to what you can afford to buy).
>>522028578detachement is liberty
>>522029255I guess that makes sense. Wtf are those Home Depot boards for then? Is that just the lumber yards trying to unload their slop on the goyim or what?
>>522028578Congrats, anon. Some of the best lives in history have been had in neighborhoods like that.
>>522029169>Or do you think cutting corners to save money on building something was just barely invented 10 years ago?of course not. quality of material and cut corners on building codes are the main concern. contractors will always be greedy scumbags. i'd know, i am one. you did you and that warranty will help but remember the big picture of your ownership. 30 years to life. if time and the market work in your favor, try to use your equity to get into something from the 80's or 90's. you'll be glad you did
>>522029376>all this copesad to see, but I understand about not wanting to be house poor>muh liquidlmao.. you're holding cash NOW?
>>522029545DIY projects. fella making a plant stand doesnt need construction-grade lumber
>>522029115One thing I don't like about the older houses (at least in the area where I'm looking) is that the ceilings are low, possibly to conserve heat during brutal winters.In more temperate areas I've looked, Kansas especially, it's the opposite: tall 9-10' ceilings in stately plains houses. Possibly for the opposite reason.
Here's your £300,000 2 bed terraced house in Birmingham bro
>>522028578Commies hate this.
>>522028578We have DR Horton homes near me. I'm a retired builder and have watched them build these things. They cheap out on materials. They use 2x4 exterior walls and osb (which isn't to code here, no idea how they get away with that.) They have prefab trusses, but those aren't really bad. The worst part I've seen is the concrete work. It's thin but they do put down all the correct moisture barrier, wire, rebar, all that. They aren't that bad of homes really. They're designed okay, and they meet most codes. It really depends on the crew that built the thing. I built tract homes back in the late 90s early 2000s leading up to the 08 crash. You can't imagine how shitty those homes were. From what I've seen, these DR Horton homes are a lot better than the Jim Walter homes of the 80s 90s, and those are still around.Keep it dry, put a metal roof on it as soon as you can or whenever you have to replace the roof. Watch out for plumbing leaks, even small ones, check your water meter every few months. The house will probably out last you.
I used to look down on these giant mcmansion boxes but honestly anything that works in 2025 is worthwhile. Only problem is that people buy those and then act snobby about it even though it's basically a trailer for the middle class
>>522029647I make enough money to be able to buy a house. I own a property in another state with a better price to rent ratio. My tenant pays my mortgage. I still lose money on maintenance and repairs, but close to breaking even.I refuse to pay $1M for a 2-bed/1-bath 800 square foot condo with community laundry and $1000/month HOA dues.Just how it's going to be. I can pay half the monthly rate for a better apartment, still have the flexibility to move for work, and keep my savings in 401Ks, money market accounts, etc.
>>522030219>I refuse to pay $1M for a 2-bed/1-bath 800 square foot condo with community laundry and $1000/month HOA dues.This is just fucking insane.
>>522030370Welcome to HCOL California
>>522030219>I own a property in another state with a better price to rent ratio. My tenant pays my mortgageNice, did you buy it recently? You seem to have the right idea. Why not buy and rent out a single room or something?I sold my house and started saving cash just before the 2008 crash, thinking I was a genius, and now I have enough to buy a nice house at 2010 prices (kek), or a shitbox house in the ghetto at 2025 prices. (250k)I have no idea what I'm going to do. Rent forever while stacking? Fucking give up and get a sailboat?
>>522028578I hate these types of developments. The area is surrounded by trees, but not a single tree in anyone's yard. Makes the neighborhood look soulless.
>>522028881quiet handyman, the building code has gotten vastly stricter and engineered lumber products are miles better than what it was back then. There is a reason people pay a steep premium for new constructions
>>522030575>The area is surrounded by trees, but not a single tree in anyone's yard.It's nice to have trees interspersed throughout, but those surrounding trees are the saving grace. That's where kids will go to hang out and explore.
>>522030571Go for the Beneteau (or better yet a Hanse or X-Yachts).Currently have a family, so no desire to have strangers in the house.
>>522030575Kys, commie.
>>522029624this isn't my forever home. two houses in the development are already renting for 2-300 over what the mortgage is. I'm going to move for work within the next year, at which point I'll rent it out and buy a second house wherever I'm sent to.the fact that I'm going to be moving soon is why a fixer-upper didn't make sense, though I did put offers in one a couple (they were both rejected).
>>522029899commies have it as 2ndary summer houses, called Dacha. The land is usually given for free by state and cost of the house is 50x smaller.
Yeah this is much better right
>>522031222What no one wants to acknowledge about commie blocks is that it's much more about the people inside than the buildings themselves.If your neighbors were generally decent and cool, it wouldn't be bad.
>>522031048You sound angry, and jewish.
>>522030054>It really depends on the crew that built the thingthis is the consensus I've seen from all the forums and discussions I've read.The roof is intact and it'll stay warm in the winter. That's all I care about for now. When I'm ready to start a family I might build my own home or buy something nicer but I'm single and don't need anything crazy right now. Besides, I'm renting out at least one bedroom to cover a portion of the mortgage and utilities. It's a nicer room and area so I can charge more for rent. Between that and the rate buydown I just can't do any better, not in this market.
>>522031048Trees are communist?
>>522031222Omg so walkable and affordable!!!
is the satanic panic back yet? it seems like the epstein files should have rekindled it
>>522030995>Beneteau>cheapest I can find is $375k from 2010fucking hell, I can't even afford a sailboat in the current year
>>522031589For what you're doing a DR Horton home is great. It'll be fine for 25 years, 50 if someone takes care of it. Probably even longer. A home will last as long as you have someone there taking care of it. There are mill homes built out of old wood shipping containers around me from the 1900s. The ones that were taken care of are still there.Also, like anon here said >>522030673 the building codes and inspections have gotten way more strenuous even in the last 20 years. Now, when you talk about the difference between a custom build vs a tract home, the main difference is fit and finish. The basic framing is pretty much the same. Your DR Horten home in 2025 has ceramic tile and cheap cabinets, cheap light fixtures, cheap molding. The custom build has travertine, oak cabinets, nicer light fixtures and molding. That's the main difference between custom build and tract homes today. The engineering and engineered products that go into the framing are all regulated by code, most places, and they are built about the same. Unless you get into specific custom framing types, like large timber frame, or concrete/steel form/framing.
>>522028578Wow that is horrible!! Not a teen pussy or polite friendly person in sight! Not even a curious passerby! I might bang my housekeeper lady, my fat friend said he did. She sounds really sweet and is [redacted].
>>522034731>It'll be fine for 25 years, 50 if someone takes care of it. Probably even longerwhy do people throw these numbers around? it's a stick framed house with the same 2x4's and the same siding as 90% of houses built in the last 30 years. How did you even come up with those numbers? Can you explain why it would be any worse than literally any other stick house?
>>522034890hello, based AI department?
>>522034890Something I found interesting while I was visiting the office was they specifically asked if I was single.The houses are all two-story builds, all the bedrooms are on the second floor. Old people show up to look around and realize they're going to be having to go up and down stairs constantly.Because the houses are "affordable" (artificially, I know) and not boomer-friendly, the population of the development is skewed towards young professionals. The lower class is naturally priced out and the older crowd can't live in the houses. ends up working out pretty good for me.
>>522031101Thanks for the free house when you rent it out.
>>522031147This, btw. Haha Although, in the USSR, they built full-fledged private houses. I even have an old color atlas. There are a huge number of different types and even internal plans. It even specifies the cost from 8,000 to 45,000 rubles. To claim that the USSR built exclusively commiblocks is mentally retarded.
>>522034994Can you not fucking read? I just said all stick framing is pretty similar today. I came up with the 25 year number, because 25 years ago I was building the most unimaginably shitty tract homes, and they are still there today. 50 years is not too long for a home that was built cheap to last if it's taken care of before you will start to see actual structural sagging and problems. Unless, like I said, you have concrete/foundation problems. Those can present early and are expensive to correct. As far as small timber framing, it's cheap simple stuff, and cheap and simple to fix. Most of these DR Horton homes will be here in 30 years, just like most of the old Jim Walter homes from the 80s and 90s are still here.
>>522035553point is you're throwing arbitrary numbers out and acting like you know better, and covering your ass by saying just about everything in the process. Can't stand knowitallfags
>>522031638Always have been.
>>522035703You're a stupid fucking nigger who hasn't made any rebuttal and is just talking out your ass. Why do you think a DR Horton home won't last 50 years? You sound like a dumb fuck that knows nothing about building at all. Why will this house magically blow away in less than 30 years, you very dumb argumentative bitch?
>>522035892>duhh it probably last uhhh 25 years.. uhhhh 50 if you take care of it.. uhh maybe longer too duhhhhlmao fuck off scumbag
>>522029169Get a home inspector.And ot a public defender builder-provided home inspector, but a bonafide one.https://youtu.be/HNVDnQA6gTYRead reviews of the inspector, or fly some of these Youtube guys out if you can.Legit I went through 2 years of warranty, in fact my whole subdivision did.The builder installed a slanted floor in my neighbor's condo, and graded porches TOWARD the foundation so water would just pool, a couple inches deep, and the outdoor third floor roof decks? All leaked.And it turns out FEMA decided to survey out land basically immediately after the whole neighborhood was sold - TURNS OUT WE'RE ALL IN A NEW FLOOD ZONE, and the builder knew this, and flipped the homes before FEMA made the change and they'd have to disclose oh yeah in top of your mortgage it's going to be 100/mo in flood insurance as wellwhich is separate from homeowners insurancealsowhen FEMA rezones, you have to lay a surveyor to survey the land to tell FEMA the elevation, and that's 1500 bucks.Oh, FEMA already knows you're in a flood zone, so why do they need a surveyor to confirm the elevation of your property?Fuck You.That's why.Make the builder pay for that shit.Don't get scammed.They had to repaint the entire interior of my house, redo carpets, fix major floor flexing, and squeaks,I didn't ding them on a slightly undeveloped floor because I didn't want the hassle,but the ethernet wiring I bought was FUBARed - they connected the cat5 to the phone, and the phone to the cat5 jacks. I had to reterminate all the fucking ends in the house, and outdoors.Outlets didn't work.So much more, I don't want to unbury that hatchet.
>>522029169They tried to buy my neighbor out for $400, an NDA, and no more warenty work.Builders are absolute scum.I saw drywall left out for weeks, and get rained on for 4 - 5 days. You bet that shit was installed.Trades are fucking scum.I have a few trusted tradesman, but only after getting fucked over as many times as I've used my current trade people.Even laying top dollar, according to homewyse, paying for a premium contractor, you may still end up with shit work.I asked my good GC what am I doing wrong?He says construction people just suck.Get that pre-sale inspection, Anon>t. own 4 properties (rent from the bank), including new construction
>>522029205it's hard to have a neighborhood with established trees, because bored old pot bellied boomers cut them down because muh leaves
>>522030673jeetgpt ack ack ack. kys manlet.
>>522029169>I get a 10 year warranty on the frame>warranty shorter than the mortgageno refunds
>>522036266Lol, yes, you absolutely retard brained nigger. Homes last as long as you take care of them. Even the nigger dung heap you came from would last a 100 years if you just pile more mud and shit on it.How does your nigger brain not understand this? Things last as long as there are people (not retarded niggers like you) taking care of them.
>>522028578Hopefully you won't have an overly authoritative HOA to deal with.
>>522029366trees grow 10' downand 30' outany tree closer than 30'from your property will eventually crack your foundation.This is what leadheads are ha ding down with their "mature" properties.>problemsYou're gonna have problems, OPbut at least you can warranty them the first few years in new construction
>>522036563>i pull random numbers out of my ass and act like I know what I'm talking aboutreread my initial response to youthese are the same as every other stick housestop acting like you know things you don'tkthxnbaiI guarantee this know-it-all tradie scumbag will continue replying like he doesn't hang sheetrock for a living because he needs to salvage his ego for whatever reasonKEK loser
>>522036556I'll have sold it by then>>522036589no HOA in this development, not that I think HOAs are inherently a bad thing.
>>522036696>not that I think HOAs are inherently a bad thing.you will own nothing etc
>>522036624>these are the same as every other stick houseYes, you very stupid bitch, that was my point to begin with, but you have the reading comprehension of a literal nigger. You're a different kind of dumb, you haven't even tried to rebuttal anything I've said, you haven't even disagreed with anything I've said. You've just been a butthurt laughable nigger faggot. >tradie scumLol, and now you're projecting your faggot failure in life. The fact you use the word "tradie" tells me your a dumb fuck wagie. Shut the fuck up about things you don't understand (building) and stop acting pretentious when you are just someone's wagie bitch.
>>522036877Lol, you're seething wagie bitch ass never will.
>>522037015>>522036969>so mad he double repliedget a life moran
>>522037465>double replied>one single reply to two separate postReally, nigger? Are you really this dumb?
>>522037689>felt so strongly compelled to respond that he had to respond to a reply to someone else, after replying once abovehaha my k/d is now above 1.0 with you. You are angry and I am not btw because what I said was true> Yes, you very stupid bitch,haha btfo>I guarantee this know-it-all tradie scumbag will continue replying like he doesn't hang sheetrock for a living because he needs to salvage his ego for whatever reason>replies not once but TWICEKEK!
>>522036624>>522037465>>522037829Lol, look at this butthurt wagie triple reply.Lmao.
>>522037921>t. trying to cope with his double (consecutive) reply abovedon't you have literally anything better to do on a Saturday night, loser?
>>522038075Fucking kek, your retarded ass does understand you're here as well on a Saturday night, right, you fucking idiot? It's almost 1am est, shouldn't you be taking stranger's dicks right about now? Why are you here? Seething like you are?
>>522028578>samevilleThere's nothing wrong with a village of similar looking homes.
>>522038238>Fucking kek, your retarded ass does understand you're here as well on a Saturday night, right, you fucking idiot? yeah that's why it was funny to post, goofuswhy's that the first thing on your mind? nvm, we both know why you got into construction>cocks cocks cocks no thing can slake my homolust uuuurgh
>>522030575Look closer. Most of the lawns have a young tree planted in the front yard. This is a new development. In 20 years there will be several trees along the street.
>>522038391>I was just pretending to be a gay retardUh huh...
>>522038573admit that I got your goat
Feels like car culture fucks me over more than arbitrary types of homes do, and autism
>>522038883Can you drive?
>>522038727Don't fuck with my goats.
>>522039346Kek, I love how the man and the goat have similar reactions, strategies and patterns>goats reaction to the first near miss kick before he enters combat modeI feel like these are two similar gentlemen forced to fight by fate alone. In another life, they would be friends.
>>522039464Interesting take, what stands out to me the most is the jeet cop who tries to defend himself with a spinning back kick. Something he obviously does not know how to do or has ever practiced doing. I have never practiced a spinning back kick either, and I know if I were being attacked by an animal my brain would never think "do a spinning back kick."But, in his jeet mind that seemed like a good thing to do. Jeets don't live in reality. Every jeet is a seven foot Chad and Chuck Norris in their brain. They're so fucking delusional they will take on a wild animal while trying to defend themselves with dysfunctional mortal combat moves.Pic related.
>>522040207>and I know if I were being attacked by an animal my brain would never think "do a spinning back kick."When it comes to mostly harmless goat, I'm not sure. Based on his main tech, it seems like closing the distance and grappling him might be the meta. But he gets a little speed boost on the final step before the headbutt, so I'm not sure.
>>522040339>>522040207entertaining Mortal Kombat-style fight btw
Yeah they're sociopaths that only care about their house price going up.I plan to piss on my fathers grave when he passes, useless father utter greedy pos boomer.OP I know of boomers in their 70s that are buying their 4th properties. ALL of them bar the one they live in are empty. These fucks don't care about anything but themselves.
>>522035325The rent will be affordable, but not free
>>522039464kek
>>522028578You can't drive a nail through the wood in my house.The nail will bend.Lumber used to be higher quality.Now it is twigs you can snap over your leg.
>>522030449Welcome to the west.Its like this near every major city in the English speaking world the greedy scum that is the boomer got their fingers into.I'll either leave the west or smith and Wesson my brains over the ceiling at say 80.
>>522028578Will it be jeet free?
>>522036395boomers should be reclassified as an invasive species, similar to locusts, and removed using chemical poisons sprayed into their houses like you'd do with insects
