This shit is unironically possible as a birth defect but then people will look you dead in the eyes and say its impossible for a male to accidentally get a female brain or vise versa.
what is this lil organic ball of mochi, OP?
>>522034343>goat balls>defectInto the oven, now
>>522034427Have you ever seen a chromosome?>Excuse me but before you use this bathroom Im gonna have to karyotype youIn any case its amorphous globosus.
If a factually male body gets a factually female brain, the problem is the brain, not the body, and then the solution is correcting the brain, not mutilating the body.If such a thing as "female brain" or "male brain" even exists.
>>522034503>your sex is a matter of perceptionlmao no, it's coded from the ground up on a cellular level, that's the point. I don't have to see your chromosomes to know this basic scientific fact which is one of the cornerstones of modern scientific understanding...
>>522034534Aight. Assuming there are any women in your life. Let's take one of them, any of them and drop them into a male body.How do you think theyd feel?>What even is mind body map?>Phantom pain? You mean the Metal Gear game?
>>522034806>How do you think theyd feel?probably like those FTMs who transition and immediately want to kys themselves because they get less than zero attention (like most men) lmao
>>522034343He's cute
>>522034762Okay lets say a tranny managed to change their chromosomes. Would you call them a woman then?Is this a man?
>>522034806>What even is mind body map?>Phantom pain? You mean the Metal Gear game?Exactly the problem to correct. Conversely, how does Frankensteining their genitals is supposed to help ?
>>522034343heres your (You) troon. ywnbaw
>>522034343A female brain is smaller and structured differently than a male brain.Nobody can show a single female brain in a male body.
> female brainI hate saying this, but a massive number of western trannies are manlier than the average straight man. Because they are straight men.
>>522035023>What even is palliative care/minimizing pain?Conversion therapy doesnt work.T. Tried it.
>>522034343Cute lil fluff ball, ngl.
>>522034343Yes, that's correct.
>>522034909Not again with this retarded talking point.Trans =/= intersexTrans == a bunch of shit that can range from subjective and delusional identity or AGP to anomalous brains (which might be its own thing or literally just somewhat autistic faggots)Sex is about gamete type (regardless of successful production). The definition of sex itself and the systems of sex determination are not the same thing, retard.
>trannoid compares himself to a severe birth defectlol
>>522034806Mutilating their genitals is obviously the wrong solution, and getting society to roleplay with transexuals is never going to happen.
>>522035187You already said sex is determined by chromosomes? You cant just say its determined by chromosomes except for when.... Why are you moving the goalposts to gametes?And aight what about a young boy who got castrated before he could produce gametes. Now you'll say its about potential but op. It turns out on autopsy of the castrated balls that he was actually never going to be capable of producing sperm. What sex was he?
>>522035128Why do you think you have a female brain? >inb4 social constructs
>>522034343>its impossible for a male to accidentally get a female brain or vise versa.it's quite possible, it's called being homosexual
>>522035247I mean yeah? Its one of the worst experiances a human can have. I grew up wanting to light my face on fire because Id rather be a burn victim than visibly male and still consider it on the regular. Physical problems I can take. Mental ones? Thats a whole different ballpark.Waking up in the morning and realizing I am still in this rotting disgusting body is the worst. I oftentimes will have the thought of such pop into my head before Ive even opened my eyes or had a proper thought about waking up.
>>522035128Amputating healthy and functional body parts is not palliative care by any stretch of the word.
>>522035402>homosexualsex requires a penis and a vagina
>>522034343Brains are shaped by hormones. Hormones aren't confused. Your brain just has a fetish that requires the rest of the world to role play along with you. No thanks.
The issue is that you don't mean anything concrete when you say "female brain". What you actually mean is that you have a mental disorder.
>>522035393I dont. I think my brains some kinda in between fucked up. Being a male makes me want to rip my skin off in strips and salt the musculature underneath. Being a female makes me extremely uncomfortable but its preferable to being male.And no I dont mean socially I mean physically. If it were up to me Id be an FTM. Being an MTF is merely a consolidation prize. Having tits is the entry ticket to androgeny as a male unfortunately. I would get rid of them in a heartbeat if I was born female, and if I was born female Id absolutely go on T.
>>522035470I had a fetish when I was 8 before internet porn was a thing. Neat.
>>522035460Doesn't mean you have to cut off your dick to adhere to penis+vagina tradition.
>>522035421i feel bad for you but this doesn't make your bain a female's, it just makes you fucking crazy
>>522034343I mean this with as much compassion as I can have, we need to find a cure for gender dysphoria that does NOT involve mutilating and making a joke of yourself. Pimozide seems like a maybe promising solution
>>522034427It's a Tribble.
>>522035421It's not a birth defect, you're angsty and confused.
>>522035536you're just lying about the fact you're AGP
>>522034909yes, intersex is a maneveryone has x chromosomesbut only men have y chromosomes
Miracle of Alla
>>522035628I have been living on my own for years and have been shot at before. Ive probably seen more of this world than you ever will asshole.
>>522035644I came out at that age as trans? Like explicitly using the word transgender.>>522035669A mother that just gave birth to a boy can have y chromosomes in her. Is she male?
>>522035687> have been shot at beforeStory?
>>522035561>Internet porn is what causes fetishesdo they even teach biology in school anymore or is that racist?
>>522035745the great troon nerf wars of 2022.. anon has never been the same...
Trans are all mentally ill and have body dysmorphia. Instead of just getting endless body alterations to fix what they think is wrong and what will make them happy, like lip injections, botox, implants, whatever, they take it a step further and say their entire anatomy must be wrong and if they just changed it they would be fixed and happy, which never happens. Then a subset are just on the bisexual spectrum sonewhere, because the gland that controls sex hormones connects to the brain, and they get the signals confused. Some just want oppression points or to piss off their family. Many have a fetish and crossdressing and gay orgies aren't enough so they have to oretend they are little female sussies. All of them are ill in the head, and people profit off of it. Then there are intersex the only people with ACTUAL CHROMOSOME DIFFERENCES and usually have both or neither defined sex characteristics although they can appear as one or the other, and as such are the only people actually non binary, and even so most of them just choose a sex to present themselves as, whichever is easier. They don't get anything removed unless medically necessary. They are usually if not always (exceptions?) infertile, because it's a mistake in nature.
>>522034909>if I had magical shapeshifting powers that don't actually exist I'd be able to become a real woman! Checkmate transphobes!
>>522035339That is my first post, retard. I did not say sex is DEFINED by chromosomes. Sex is DEFINED by GAMETE TYPE and the SEX DETERMINATION SYSTEM depends on CHROMOSOMES. How is this hard to understand, retard?Your retarded example is just that, retarded. The BOY (see MALE) is still a BOY, even when castrated, just like a car remains a car even when you otherwise break it (it just is a broken car). Also, did you miss the part that very clearly reads REGARDLESS OF SUCCESSFUL PRODUCTION? Jesus fuck, you are so dumb.
>>5220343432hu doesn't belong on /pol/
So no one is gonna explain what that is?
>>522035687You don't even know me, I could be a politician, or a tv show host. Stop proving your delusional and aggressive to everyone except yourself
>>522035572>cut off your dick to adhere to penis+vagina tradition.How would that work if you cut it off? >>522035536I think you just shouldn't worry about it.
>>522035800Intersex people are not "non-binary"They still are ultimately male or female fundamentally, even if their secondary sex characteristics and even the primary ones are all over the place. Chromosomes do not define sex, they are just part of the process of sex determination (although they obviously align like 99.99% of the time).
>>522035745It was a road rage incident. I jumped on the roof of the guys car after he kept driving into me after hitting my car, and then was trying to run away and I got upset. He stuck a gun out the window and tried to shoot me. I decided that the pavement was prolly better than getting shot and so I dropped off. Im pretty sure the only reason Im still alive to say this is because he slowed down to shoot at me. Car later came up as stolen.Id like to tell more detail than that but yknow. Personal information and 4chan don't mix well.
>>522035806You didnt answer my question.
>female brainKek. Whenever I hear about how this or that woman is very good in a very male-oriented hobbie (programming, speedrunning, etc), it always turns out to be a trannie. That's because their brain is male.
>>522035810I just said he could never produce gametes in the first place. Youre really focusing in on the castration part which isnt the point of the argument but you did fall for the bait. Neat.So let me rephrase in a less wordy way.Is a woman without ovaries who never had ovaries a woman?
>>522036226>Socialization? Whats that?
>>522034806>Let's take one of them, any of them and drop them into a male body. Or, and hear me out here, how about we don't
>>522036169>trans individual with mental illness>spergs out and jumps on someone's carkek
>>522036280he's right, though. Mainstream science--not spergs on 4chan or esoteric racists on stormfront or whatever, but the actual mainstream--accepts that who you are is basically 50% genetic. You really think the fact that your body is coded for sex on a cellular level is irrelevant or can be socialized out of you? The only people who believe this are factory farm kids who have never seen dogs being bred or been outside of a major city
>>522034806>NOOO I CAN'T BE THIS I HAVE TO MUTILATE MY BODY SO I LOOK CLOSER TO WHAT I FEEL LIKE>damn I look like this now? it sucks but I guess this is my life now
>>522036280>>Socialization? Whats that?It's why they trooned.
What arguments will people make when science advances enough to give a man a functioning uterus transplant and they successfully give birth? You know it's only a matter of time. Especially with AI.
>>522034343real life spawn egg
>>522034343Dial 8
>>522036430think about it. A male and female both believing they're the wrong gender decide to swap parts.
>>522034806You amputate the limb to hopefully dice roll maximum activity/response/sensitivity of mirror neurons assumed to be previously inactive or stunted. This corrects the savage criminal brain with minimal risk of recidivism.
>>522036257>Is a woman without ovaries who never had ovaries a woman?Were they extracted? Is the rest of the anatomy configured towards producing a certain gamete type even if ultimately the architecture ended up coming out malformed? Ultimately, my point remains. Gamete type defines sex, even when related structures are dysfunctional one way or another. Also, get a facial feminization surgery before even considering chopping your dick off. It is amzing how many retarded troons completely neglect that thing most tied to their individual identity: their fucking face.
>>522034343omg it's the made in abyss children
>>522036307>Has never been poorIts all I owned in the world.
>>522036520You see your problem here is that youre assuming that nature has a purpose to anything it does at all. That infertile people are somehow defective and wrong. It implies a creator in the sense of 'theyre meant to do this' rather than 'they are as they are because they are' Kinda a shitty thing to do no?
>>522036549I grew up poor.anon, are you in Arizona?
>>522036670Nice try fed.
>>522034343You are correct to say that some men can behave just like women from birth. I know someone from my childhood and was with them all through school, it's true.I've never seen that person come out as trans. Honestly never seen them come out as gay or anything anyway, I just assume they're gay.Now, here's the catch.I know countless people who are autistic and, despite acting clearly male (I know them because they hang out in male spaces) are trans women.Tell me what causes this. Hormone imbalance starts in adulthood? Envy of the other sex? Influenced by peer pressure of everyone they know also turning trans and the whole LGBT movement giving "un-privilege" points to anyone who isn't straight cis?Come on, tell me, I appreciate you're not 1ptid
>>522036520>It is amzing how many retarded troons completely neglect that thing most tied to their individual identity>implyingThey focus on their genitals because they're mentally ill masturbation addicts whose identity is almost entirely vested in their genitals. For a normal functional human their behavior is illogical, but given their proclivities it makes perfect sense.
>>522036704are you about 5'9"?
>>522035823It's a globosus amorphous, a malformation in twins, happens often with livestock and there's only been a single reported occurrence of it in humans so far.
>>522034343most of the people having bottom surgery and taking hormones don't have this problem. this is just you putting your foot in the door so the mass mutilations and grooming can continue.
>>522036257>>522036520Also, since I know you might be a bit autistic (since some troons are just faggots with autism and/or AGP), let me give you a clear definition:Female = an organism whose developmental pathway and body are organized for the large-gamete/ova role in their species, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted.Male = an organism whose developmental pathway and body are organized for the small-gamete role in their species, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted.This should answer your question and any similar variation. >>522036667>You see your problem here is that youre assuming that nature has a purpose to anything it does at all.No, I am not, although biological systems are clearly teleonomic (different from teleology) in nature. >That infertile people are somehow defective and wrong.They are defective in that regard. I never said anything about them being "wrong" in a moral sense. Why do retards like you confuse normative in the descriptive and the prescriptive sense so much?>It implies a creator in the sense of 'theyre meant to do this' rather than 'they are as they are because they are'It does not imply a creator at all.>Kinda a shitty thing to do no?No. You have just acquired a retarded memeplex involving existentialism, Queer Theory, gender ideology and maybe some form of radical social constructionism as well (except when you have to appeal to a fucked up brain, ofc).
>>522036769Because this is about mind body map not gendered socialization.And no I would never ever wish being trans on my worst enemy, the last thing it is for is brownie points. It will destroy your life and every single person who did it to you will be slapped on the back with pride because being trans means you already have a neatly prepackaged narrative to give everyone. That of the 'annoying activist'And no its not that 'all my friends are trans' thats delusional nonsense. Before transitioning I had an active social life and because of my parents throwing me out at a young age it forced me into the community because nobody else would help. Very chicken or egg thing.Envy of the other sex? Yeah I could see that. A lot of incels do troon, but that only really explains the people that can pass trooning. It doesnt explain the manmoders who take E but then continue to present male because theyre too masculine to pass.And saying its a socialization thing would be odd because its effectively saying that girls are physically incapable of going into stem because then theyd be men.
seeing him bully the poor garloid this way made me cry
>>522034343>I want to cut off my cock and it's because I was born this way>why, yes, I did start fantasizing about female role reversal after my porn addiction became severe.
>>522036805>
>>522034343They can, it's just much rarer than all the social contagion shit preying on tweens implies it is.Historically it was a very rare thing, like 0.02% of the population rare. Not 2% but .2% (if that). I always knew something was very fucking off with new statistics claiming it's like 1% or something trans rate now. There's no conceivable reason the rate of natural, anatomically provable female brain in male head rates went up 5,000% in only a few years. And coincidentally tons of these new wave trannies are young teens, many of which legit have not had their balls drop or had wet dreams yet and don't truly know what their sexuality is so are confused waiting for it to show up. In this state of confusion the seeds of doubt are planted. You also have rando balding guys in their 30s-40s being trannies now but part of that is another thing where they troon out because they think it's a viable alternative to being an incel, which is so fucking vilified they would rather duck the question altogether and hide behind being tranny as a shield. the media plays infuriatingly dumb about this because women don't fucking understand the mentality, they want to give benefit of the doubt to everyone to let themselves be brave and stronk I cri evry tim. And because women are all over tons of workplaces the other men there are afraid to state the obvious of what they are really seeing because that'll get them branded as prejudiced bigots by HR so they just sit and nod.
>>522034343there is no such thing as male or female brains, that's pseudoscientific nonsense.
>>522036874>Female = an organism whose developmental pathway and body are organized for the large-gamete/ova role in their species, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted.>Male = an organism whose developmental pathway and body are organized for the small-gamete role in their species, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted.Again you are assuming this pathway exists in all humans in the first place which is nonsense. Hence why you cant go off gametes.If someone is infertile theyre infertile simple as. Its not that they were on a path to be fertile and it was disrupted its simply that the path did not exist in the first place.
>>522036667A human without the ability to simulate a pain response that they witness another human experience is wrong when they harm or injure a human. Removing a limb has a chance of instantly correcting their mental limitation.
>>522036226Yeah you see it all the time on YouTube with some fucking obvious Quasimodo tier tranny being a curator of some obscure vintage mainframe computing museum or whatever and the comments are all pretending it's a woman. More like everyone is being forced to play pretend and go with it.
>>522034343Yeah but that's just because they're transphobic It doesn't invalidate the identity of any real trans ppl
>>522036981I had similar feelings, at one point. I was really into TSF manga and the like, femboy shit, even went as far as crossplay.But when I was allowed to do all of this, even in front of my parents, I finally got this feeling of "I did this, now I'm content, I'll just accept myself for who I am even if it means I have to work harder to improve myself" instead of imagining some fantasy world where you can just become somebody who looks pretty and succeeds in life just through that.When it comes to transexuals, it seems the highest rate of becoming transexual comes from when the people around them push them really hard, or push back on them. The people who are given the space to explore themself and their sexuality are less likely to troon out. Which may not be surprising, since a lot of this seems to get linked to childhood trauma.If I had to guess, the double whammy of bad parents + overly supportive community sets you on this path. You've hit both of the highest likelihood bands. That's really just unfortunate, you can't choose who your parents are.You seem to have a good idea of things but I just wanted to share my perspective. There are some people that are genuinely just some sort of "trans" from birth but there's something weird going on here in the middle.
>>522037183>Everyone being forced to pretend to go along with it.Ngl I have no idea where rightoids got this idea from but like I still will occasionally wear womens clothes out in public and I haven't been gendered properly in over a year.I had someone call me a freak right to my face and I didnt respond because when I thought about it the front page of Twitter was the first and only thing to flash through my mind, and so? I kept my mouth shut. The panopticon world sucks for trannies because again. Theres already the narrative there, that any trans person is an activist and so any clipped fight they get it theyre in the wrong
>>522037331See my family was very odd in thay they were perfectly fine with me crossdressing actually. I did it every single day at highschool. I could have kept being a gay crossdresser and there would have been no problems whatsoever. And ironically enough because I have a severe case of male model face I was actually relatively popular at my school explicitly for being an explicitly male crossdresser. People thought it was cool and even a guy in one of my classes wore a skirt one day because I inspired him to try out new things.It was when my pharmacy sent my dad a text about my hrt prescription about a year into being a daily crossdresser that shit really hit the fan.So like. I had a community that explicitly liked me for being male and pushing male gender boundaries and my family was fine with that. Trooning however was too much.So tell me why would I do it besides a genuine need for it?
>>522037107You are just a retard that refuses to listen to reason. It is not an assumption. Developmental pathways are how organisms work. Every human, by definition, develops by following some genetic and embryological pathway. You quite literally cannot get a human adult without a developmental pathway, otherwise they wouldn’t exist as a human body.In sexually reproducing species, those pathways branch into male and female patterns, organized around producing small vs large gametes.Infertility doesn’t mean "no pathway ever existed," it means "the sex-specific system that developed is not functioning fully".Biology defines sex by role in reproduction (which type of gamete the body is built around), not by whether it actually produces gametes successfully.You are mixing up biological function with cosmic purpose and moral judgment (because you deeply lack a sense of direction and/or a stable sense of self). When I say "the body is organized for the large-gamete role / small-gamete role," I am not saying "nature meant you to do this" or "a creator designed you for this."In biology, "function" is a neutral term: hearts pump blood, lungs exchange gases, ovaries and testes produce gametes. You can talk about these roles without the assumptions you desperately want to attribute to what I am trying to get through your thick skull. In your retarded "reasoning," a fucking heart failure (think really hard about what "failure" means) is just "within the rich and biodiverse human spectrum of possible heart movements."
>>522036981Women are mentally incapable of going into stem unless they can somewhat simulate the male mind in their head. Often impossible without examples they can model their simulation on, this is how women can know God.
>>522034343It is, definitively. Brains arent gendered; your corporeal form is. And outside of extremely niche and entirely irrelevant edgecases, your actual body is correct. Where it isnt there is obvious deformity.
>>522037725If a fetus was born without a heart and immediately died would you call it a heart failure?
>>522037508OK, fairIt's not so surprising that people draw the line at HRT. It's one thing to play with gender boundaries but it's another thing to take medical action on it. There's always been people who are for tattoos, and people who would rather keep their bodies entirely clean, for example.I would say, there are genuine troons from birth that I would say are synonymous with a woman's brain, then there are people who occupy a blurry line between male and female where this transexual stuff comes in later in life. They no doubt have, say, male tendencies (in places where it's 99% male simply because females aren't interested, they'll outnumber the females). It comes alongside autism and they're often deeply rooted into the LGBT community to the point they won't shut up about it.I can't tell you where it begins that these people are legit or whether these people have been somehow 'brainwashed'. I can't tell you if the rapid increase of transexuals in the 2000s is because of people who would have genuinely benefitted from access to reassignment, or if these are people who have been tricked into thinking they need it./pol/ hates trannies because they are beautiful poeple making themselves ugly on the surface but I acknowledge that a lot of these people are actually happier, ugly. We just don't really know what the fuck is going on and I wish more study would be done without all this stupid bickering and arguing over political correctness if someone wants to research.
>>522037943Fair desu.
>>522037880If the brain of a violent criminal repeat offender had all possible mirror neurons forcefully activated would you consider that to be corrective?
fuck, forgot my flag was pretending to be a frog
>>522037817>your corporeal form isbased transcendental anon>open your third eye>the Universe tells you that you will never be a woman
>>522037880No, that would be called something like cardiac agenesis (complete failure of the heart to form). Biology already distinguishes "failure of function" from "failure of formation." But that doesn’t help your point. It helps mine.We still call it "without a heart," not "without a random lump." The only reason we can even say "born without a heart" is because in humans, there is a species-wide developmental pathway that builds a heart in a particular region of the body. Your heart example actually proves my point: you can only say "born without a heart" because there is a heart-development pathway in humans that failed. Sex is the same: even when fertility or gonads fail, they fail relative to an underlying male or female pathway.
I wish we had the technology to enable trannies to actually transition to the opposite sex rather than being mutilated into some kind of cruel mockery of them. It would solve the incel epidemic overnight; half of them could become the girl and date the other half! Except that wouldn't happen. You hypocrites know you'd be Chad only. Admit it.
>>522034909I can't wait until you troons are declared legally incompetent and not permitted to be outside assylums. Then we will be free from your trolling.Nobody cared until you made people care. Your oppression will be deserved.
>>522034438So is this object a ball removed from a goat or a ball shaped goat?
>>522035128>>522035128Get beat to death by a nigger. Oh and you lost btw . tranny.
>>522034343its possible but incredibly rare, 99.9% are just porn addicts looking for the next high or molestation victims
>>522038176Again though you are making the fundementally wrong assumption that there is some kind of planned out pathway for everything. If a heart was never formed that means in that particular specimen there was never the capacity to form a heart in the first place. Assigning some kind of woo woo 'deviated from the plan' is just saying that you never went past highschool biology at the most.Science is the objective analysis of the world around you. Not the assumption of 'well if things were different....'A baby is not malformed because it doesnt have a heart. It simply does not have a heart.The very concept of a birth defect is a eugenicist one which has been repeatedly proven to be bullshit.Or are you gonna tell me that no the orb I posted in the original pic actually could be a cow?
>>522038686I have bigger things to worry about then whos president in our fake ass country desu. Elections arent real and if you think they are youre a blubbering moron
>>522035536that sounds like a simple case of insanity
>>522039161Tbh the very idea of mental illness for the most part is also a spook made up by eugenicusts to describe what happens when people are put under stress conditions for too long, but then making it some kind of failing rather than improving the world around them.
>>522034343trannies don't actually have female brains. if you look at neuron density which is the only substantive difference between male and female brains, troon brains that have been studied typically exhibited strongly masculine typology. Unfortunately political correctness has limited studies into AGP vs HSTS brains.>>522034806this is a retarded, impossible theoretical. much like a man ever being a woman. the more logical way of looking at this problem is there is some kind of behavioral issue or chemical imbalance at the root of transgenderism which is very, very obviously a mental illness. the brain is not special, it's just one of many organs that needs to work correctly to make a body function. That we're expected to play along with the mental illness of someone which results in them engaging the services of a quack doctor, who took the Hippocratic oath, to mutilate their body in exchange for public funds is probably the single most damning indictment of what our society has become on every level. >>522035122autogynophilic transgenderism is strongly associated with autism. So are most other kinds of alternative sexuality/gender identity. The troon problem is largely an outgrowth of the autism problem.
>>522039249I've was actually been rooting through several studies for this thread lolhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9215725>the average numbers of neocortical neurons were 19 billion in female brains and 23 billion in male brains, a 16% difference. In our study, which covered the age range from 20 years to 90 years, approximately 10% of all neocortical neurons are lost over the life span in both sexes. Sex and age were the main determinants of the total number of neurons in the human neocortex, whereas body size, per se, had no influence on neuron number.Also:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053811904006822>We examined the relationship between structural brain variation and general intelligence using voxel-based morphometric analysis of MRI data in men and women with equivalent IQ scores. Compared to men, women show more white matter and fewer gray matter areas related to intelligence.>“These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains">In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of – or connections between – these processing centers.>This, according to Rex Jung, a UNM neuropsychologist and co-author of the study, may help to explain why men tend to excel in tasks requiring more local processing (like mathematics), while women tend to excel at integrating and assimilating information from distributed gray-matter regions in the brain, such as required for language facility.
>>522039249>The autism problem
lol some kind of woo woo relativistic subjectivity
>>522034343>>522034427they finally added spawn eggs irl
>>522039560lmao
>>522038793>The very concept of a birth defect is a eugenicist one which has been repeatedly proven to be bullshit.No, you are just operating under the retarded framework of Thomas Szasz or similar. >If a heart was never formed that means in that particular specimen there was never the capacity to form a heart in the first placeA few glaring problems with your claim:- We can see the early steps of the "missing" thing. In many cases where a baby is "born without a heart," we do see early cardiac precursors, heart fields, or signaling events that start but fail. That means the system attempted to form a heart and failed.- Genetic programs can fail to finish without "no capacity ever existed." A chicken egg with a lethal early defect still has the full chicken developmental program, but it just never completes it.Saying "this embryo had a lethal defect in heart development" is not the same as saying "this being was never the sort of thing that could have had a heart.">Science is the objective analysis of the world around you. Not the assumption of "well if things were different...."What? Counterfactuals ("if things were different") are literally built into scientific reasoning:Control vs experimental groups? That is "if we did not change X, Y wouldn't differ."Knockout mouse models? "If this gene weren't active, this organ wouldn’t form."Pathology? "If this mutation were not present, the heart/reproductive system would have developed normally.""Objective analysis" in biology includes saying:"Given what happens in almost all humans, this individual's development is atypical in way X, Y, Z."That’s how you even define "disease," "defect," "mutation," etc. Hell, going into the details of "X, Y, Z" allows you to differentiate between all of those. Rejecting the teleonomic nature of biology leads you to absurdities such as "heart failure is just within the rich and biodiverse human spectrum of possible heart movements."1/2
>>522034343That's not an argument. That's a thought that you can entertain, but not an argument.
How do you measure a "male" or "female" brain? How does a male body have a defect like a "female brain"? How do you quantify that if it's present? I would say that a defect like that of that image is also pretty greatly encompassing (whatever that is), whereas a brain being contra to the sex of a body is a very particular thing. It's not really the same. I don't know enough about genes to know the answer to the question though "how much does sex influence gene expression". I'd be curious to know if this hypothetical is even possible.
>>522039968they'll do things like take arbitrary scans of brains and say >look how similar this tranny brain is to this female brain when they're both thinking about cockbut then they'll ignore 9001 other data points which are consistent with a 'male brain' (which it is, physically)it's all just a big meme
>>522038793>>522039624>Science is the objective analysis of the world around you. Not the assumption of 'well if things were different....Besides the point about counterfactuals and science made in my previous post, teleonomic talk ("the function of this structure is…") is also not just a communication convenience. It captures the fact that biological systems are functionally shaped so that certain outcomes matter for survival and reproduction, and that we can objectively say when a structure is no longer performing the role it is there for in that system. The notion of "function" has causal relevance when analyzing biological systems. >A baby is not malformed because it doesnt have a heart. It simply does not have a heart.You can choose not to use the word "malformed" if you dislike its connotations, but the underlying distinction you are resisting is unavoidable. The only reason "does not have a heart" is a meaningful description at all is that, in humans, a heart is part of the species-typical teleonomic organization of the body. That is exactly what people mean by "malformation": a deviation from the usual developmental outcome that undermines the function that structure normally has in this kind of organism. Saying "it simply does not have a heart" tries to outlaw (or stubbornly ignore) the comparison that makes the description intelligible in the first place.>The very concept of a birth defect is a eugenicist one which has been repeatedly proven to be bullshit.There is a perfectly coherent, non-eugenic sense in which a heart that cannot pump, kidneys that cannot filter, or gonads that cannot produce hormones or gametes are defective relative to the teleonomic organization of the organism. That judgment is about biological function, not about human worth. Forced eugenics adds the moral/political move: "therefore these people are less valuable or should be eliminated." This is obviously different.2/3
>>522040239I would think so. Whatever the case it would also be an outlier even amongst trannies and that's observably the case for a significant number of them. There are various factors that come into play with these people, and making "mtf transgender" or "ftm transgender" some kinds of unifying categories just doesn't make any sense, it's brazenly, and pattantly retarded even.
>>522038793>>522039624>>522040266Bringing it back to sex: when I say "female = an organism whose developmental pathway and body are organized for the large-gamete role, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted" and "male = ... organized for the small-gamete role, even if that pathway is incomplete or disrupted", I am describing the teleonomic organization of the reproductive system. It is about what role the system is structured/organized to play in reproduction, not about whether it succeeds, and not about anyone being "meant" or "meant not" to exist. If you deny developmental pathways, function, and defect in this teleonomic sense, you lose the ability to talk about male and female and entire fields within biology lose any capacity for coherent explanations, besides never being able to capture (or even conceive) the consequences of aforementioned functions. 3/3
>>522039624Say someone has the genetics supposedly for massive tits. Through puberty they starve theirself and do not grow these huge tits. You cannot say they were meant to have big tits because they never developed them in the first place.You can say that yes indeed the genetic material was there for the huge tits to be there, but is that genetic material relevant in any possible way to the current day when it cannot and will not express itself in any way later down the line? All you can really say is 'yes there is genetic material here that typically leads to having large tits' which it did not.Hence again circling back around to my point, youre projecting very human ideas on to something inhuman.You are saying that an infertile person is male in the present moment because the potential is there or it was disrupted because of the fact that 'oh muh gametes' when it is not an objective in the moment analysis. Would you say the woman who has the genetics for large tits but does not because of anorexia actually has large tits because muh genetics? Because as things stand this is the point you are trying to make.
>>522035421> I mean yeah? It’s one of the worst experiances a human can have.It’s probably bad but it’s entirely self inflicted. >I grew up wanting to light my face on fire because Id rather be a burn victim than visibly male So basically, you have a lot of hatred inside for yourself and for your parents and for God. No actual reason why either, just using modern technological provide to waste people’s time about it. >and still consider it on the regular. That’s because you have no fear of God. >Physical problems I can take. Mental ones? Thats a whole different ballpark.Waking up in the morning and realizing I am still in this rotting disgusting body is the worst. I oftentimes will have the thought of such pop into my head before Ive even opened my eyes or had a proper thought about waking up.It’s not a mental problem it’s a spiritual problem. You hate yourself and resist against your purpose. I hope you find peace in Christ.
>>522040789>Jeebuz postingKek.
Zoomers got groomed and conditioned into thinking they have a rare disorder that only affects less than 0.07% of the human population now every second zoomer is a tranny, even gay people have noticed how weird this trend is.
>>522034343Is that a pet rock?
>>522040615>Say someone has the genetics supposedly for massive tits. Through puberty they starve theirself and do not grow these huge tits. You cannot say they were meant to have big tits because they never developed them in the first place.No one is saying "she actually has huge tits in a secret metaphysical sense." In fact, I VERY EXPLICITLY said it is not about what is "MEANT TO BE OR NOT," so I am not sure why are you repeating this irrelevant talking point. The obvious thing to say is: she is a female whose development of a sexually dimorphic trait was suppressed by starvation.>You can say that yes indeed the genetic material was there for the huge tits to be there, but is that genetic material relevant in any possible way to the current day when it cannot and will not express itself in any way later down the line?Yes, obviously it is relevant. It explains why, absent anorexia, she would have developed large breasts, and why she is still on the female developmental track. Teleonomy is not about "whatever happens to be currently visible to you." Your lungs have the function of gas exchange even if you are holding your breath. If you throw out function and teleonomy as "irrelevant," you just made it impossible to explain why anything in biology has the structure it does.>Hence again circling back around to my point, youre projecting very human ideas on to something inhuman.Function, developmental pathway, defect, organ are not cute human stories. They fall straight out of the way biological systems are structured and selected: hearts circulate blood, kidneys filter, ovaries and testes are parts of two complementary gamete-producing strategies. That is teleonomy: goal-directed organization without a designer. Acting like this is just some cultural projection is basically idiotic Szasz-ism: the moment you dislike the implications, you pretend the underlying functional structure doesn’t exist.
>>522034343>female brainSo it comes with blue hair?
>>522040615>>522041060>You are saying that an infertile person is male in the present moment because the potential is there or it was disrupted because of the fact that 'oh muh gametes' when it is not an objective in the moment analysis.No, I am saying an infertile male is male because his whole developmental system is the small-gamete one: XY, testicular tissue (even if damaged or removed), male-typical hormone profile and anatomy, etc. That remains true "in the present moment" the same way someone remains bipedal in kind even after losing a leg. Sex is a classification of the organism’s reproductive organization, not a live feed of what gametes are popping out this second. "Objective in the moment" is not some magic phrase that makes you ignore history, structure, and function.>Would you say the woman who has the genetics for large tits but does not because of anorexia actually has large tits because muh genetics? Because as things stand this is the point you are trying to make.No, and if that’s what you think I’m saying, you’ve wandered off into arguing with a strawman. I would say: she is female, with suppressed breast development due to anorexia. The correct analogy is: an infertile male is still male, with a reproductive system that is damaged, blocked, or incomplete. You’ve swapped out "is male/female despite a disrupted trait" for "actually has the trait anyway," then declared victory over the thing I never claimed.
>>522034343they are telling you they don't care if you get a womynbrain, they are telling you they are not going to fucking change the entire society and endure sufferings to put up with hedonism of deviants, get fucked
>>522036194Yes he did.He told you that just like you can't shape-shift you brain into something that works you can't shape-shift your genetics into something else. It is not possible and considering the impossible as possible is as logically useless as considering how Harry Pitter would do it?In simpler terms, you are a moron and should stay silent.
>>522034343>Why wont you let anorexics just starve themselves? Cant you see how brave and stunning that is? Bigot!You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded. You dont care if narcissus dies from navel gazing youd rather they die than you get excluded from (((popular))) opinion.
>>522041060>>522041163>No, I am saying an infertile male is male because his whole developmental system is the small-gamete one: XY, testicular tissue (even if damaged or removed), male-typical hormone profile and anatomy, etc.Okay so under this framework explain what someone with mixed gonadal dysgenesis develops into since apparently everyone can be categorized into a phenotype based off gonads.
>>522038517Ball shaped goat. Basically, many fetuses form wrong and most of the time the body naturally aborts. But if you have a mother thay carries twins twins and only one of them forms wrong the body wont naturally abort because that would kill the correctly formed baby too. So every so often you get a set of 'twins' that are normal baby + deformed mutant fetus thing.
>>522034343>for a male
>>522034343Shitlibs must first concede that such a thing as a “female brain” exists. If they do then the entire feminist movement is completely undermined.And without feminism, troons will be in an awkward position because they will essentially be advocating to be recognized as 2nd class citizens.
>>522034806YouAre a Retarded niggEr
>>522041608Thanks for the explanation.
>>522041608CA SE MANGE ?
>>522041602Not gonads, gametes. Maybe more precisely the whole developmental system that’s oriented toward the small-gamete role or the large-gamete role.Mixed gonadal dysgenesis is literally what it says on the tin: dysgenesis of the gonadal pathway, typically on an XY / mosaic background with a dysgenetic testis on one side and a streak gonad on the other. That is not "a mysterious third category"; it is a screwed-up version of the male pathway. The only reason we even call it "gonadal dysgenesis" instead of "random tissue icky vibes" is because there is a recognizable male pattern that failed to fully form.To answer your question, they develop as someone whose body is fundamentally organized along the small-gamete track but with that development badly disrupted. If the functional tissue is testicular and androgens masculinize the body, that is male with a DSD. If in a rare case ovarian tissue dominates and the rest of the system follows suit, that is a female with a DSD.Waving "mixed gonadal dysgenesis" around as if it refutes gamete-based sex is like saying "color-blind people exist, therefore colors are not real."All it actually shows is that the underlying facts you are trying to deny are there, and sometimes reality is complex and requires you to go beyond the midwit realm of Reddit posts and Discord "debates" that will trade you a coherent simplification for incoherent, neolysenkoist ramblings that will make you feel smart and sophisticated while putting you even further from reality when compared to the "simpleton" with just high school education.
>>522041602I think your argument stems from a misunderstanding of science and the Peru anon, while getting frustrated with you, is trying his best to actually show you how real REAL science works (hard science).You're trying to create new classifications for what are known as exceptions. They don't happen often enough to get their own unique identity except as "exception to the rule."I know life isn't fair, but it's kept this way because it's the only way we have as a species to keep scientific classification simple enough that science can be conducted.You may not like it, but science has to be kept robotic like that.
>>522042019Like this post, he's telling you every part of your body has these markers.There's not enough unique distinction to be a "third" so it's just a mutated form of the 2 existing, i.e. exception. An exception we can quantify.Also consider that most of these exceptions do not survive, so they don't have any benefit to the host so even less reason to classify them as a "third."Again, it sounds cruel to you but it's just true neutral. Just science.
>>522042019You cant really say that everything falls into these two categories and then handwave evidence of that thing failing no?You're saying these people are still either male or female despite self acknowledging their inability to produce gametes and having a mixture of tissues. Let's go for Swyer Syndrome too. What sex are they?And now youre saying that its about the masculinization or feminization of the body not gametes, so does that not make the entire argument where you said over and over about how sex is determined by gametes bullshit? These people can not only not produce gametes but have a mixture of tissues which flies in the face of every single thing youve said in this thread about sex being based on gonads and gametes. So what is it based on?
>>522034427Cows sometimes give birth to this things.
>>522042254>You cant really say that everything falls into these two categories and then handwave evidence of that thing failing no?I’m not handwaving it, I’m literally calling it "dysgenesis" and "infertility." Failure presupposes something that can fail. If there weren’t two underlying reproductive roles for development to screw up (small-gamete vs large-gamete pathways), you wouldn’t even have the concepts "failed", "mixed", or "dysgenesis" to throw at me.>You're saying these people are still either male or female despite self acknowledging their inability to produce gametes and having a mixture of tissues.Yes, because sex is about which reproductive role the organism’s overall developmental system is organized around, not whether every subpart is pristine and operational. A guy who’s had his testes removed is still male; a woman with ovarian failure is still female. Mosaic or malformed tissue just means the system is glitched, not that a third gamete-role magically appeared.>Let's go for Swyer Syndrome too. What sex are they?Swyer (46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis) gives you streak gonads that never become functional testes, no testosterone/AMH, and a completely female internal and external reproductive anatomy. Clinically and biologically they’re treated as female (despite XY chromosomes) with a DSD: their body develops along the large-gamete template (uterus, vagina, etc.), the would-be testicular pathway just never does its job. Again: textbook example of a pathway failing, not of sex categories evaporating.1/2
>>522042254>>522042545>And now youre saying that its about the masculinization or feminization of the body not gametes, so does that not make the entire argument where you said over and over about how sex is determined by gametes bullshit?No, that just means you’re not tracking the distinction between definition and evidence. Sex is defined in terms of reproductive role/gamete type; in practice we infer that from the traits that role produces: gonads, ducts, hormones, genital morphology, secondary sex traits. Talking about masculinization/feminization is talking about how the gamete-role program cashes out in the body, not chucking gametes out of the window. In fact, we could not even have this whole elucidation without it resting upon gamete type. >These people can not only not produce gametes but have a mixture of tissues which flies in the face of every single thing youve said in this thread about sex being based on gonads and gametes. So what is it based on?It’s based on which of the two teleonomic programs for reproduction the organism belongs to: the one organized around producing and supporting small gametes, or the one organized around large ones. DSD cases like mixed gonadal dysgenesis and Swyer are ugly, broken instantiations of those same two programs, not counterexamples to their existence. Pointing at the exceptions where development fails and declaring the underlying principles "bullshit" is like pointing at conjoined twins and announcing that vertebrates don’t really have a head–trunk organization.2/2
>>522034343even if you do isn't it fine living in the role that you can fulfill instead of getting a kajillion surgeries to reverse it? I'm not very manly and wasn't very motivated to be manly, but wanted to work hard to not let my family down and did what I could to fulfill the role I was given if I wasn't the most suited for it
>>522034343What the fuck is it though?
>>522034427Chromosomes are just collections of genes. Do you think gene editing is completely impossible?
>>522036430won't last long if that's our priority over IQ enchancement, you'll be the first and last person to take advantage of scientific advancement as the world becomes obsessed with identify, becomes increasingly psychotic and religious and we plunge into a dark age of indoctrination over education and no births to uphold society and it all just plummets to zero
>>522034534To be fair, faggots claiming to have female brains are just admitting to mental retardation.They aren't female, just mind numbingly stupid.
>>522034343Hermaphrodites are real OP. Is that what you want to hear?But a genetic anomaly doesn't mean it's normal, nor should we treat it as normal.There are human beings born with 3 arms or 6 fingers, but we don't treat it as normal, nor do we change our views on how human beings work.
>>522038793>there was never the capacity to formnot even true, if only part of it could form that part of it that can function as only a piece will form and not the rest of it, its a mutation that failed to lead to any kind of self-replication so it's a dead end, but still a valid mutation in terms of capacity to form
>HIDEOUS MUTATIONS PROVE MY FAGGOTRY IS LIKE GOOD OR SOMETHINGokay
>>522036430>what argumentsIt will sound a lot like "That's nice. Please face the wall."
>>522040615that because the gene is just a chemical process that takes in nutrients and outputs them as growth, it's still active but if it doesn't get the input then there's no output
>a female brainyou are your body. that is what you are
>>522043092>There are human beings born with 3 arms or 6 fingers, but we don't treat it as normalIf either of those conferred an advantage, the conditions that conferred that advantage would make it the new normal. Welcome to the world of wacky mutants, since forever.
>>522036430>>522042962I am not against this. I am a transhumanist at heart, but I also hate the postmodern commie bullshit that the global elites push when it is convenient for their control freak plans. It literally makes a mockery of the effort and talent of those furthering morphological freedom and self-determination through technology, making them vow to a neolysenkoist religion (that does not recognize itself as such) with a bunch of practicing dark triad and cluster B types. Also, this -> >>522043001There are far more important things to prioritize, and not doing so points towards a psychotic (actual) dark age crash.
>>522042019you could argue though that some animals go down this malformed failed pattern and make it work, which is why some animals have sequential hermaphroditism, I don't think it would be impossible for some distant human evolution to adapt it if mutations perfectly aligned with external conditions that would make it favorable, what in one instance is a failed genetic pattern becomes the next viable evolutionary line in another, but this is all long term scale stuff not really suited for /pol/ or any discussion talking about stuff on the scale of a century or two
>>522035536>I dont. I think my brains some kinda in between fucked up. Being a male makes me want to rip my skin off in stripslet me guess. circumcised
>>522034762There are men who have trouble conceiving and find out they are genetically female, you should beware of what science will show you. The difference between genes and somatic expression is amazing.
>>522042298I've seen things other people woudn't believe
>>522043230>I am a transhumanistShut the FUCK up, tranny. Go the fuck back to star trek.
>>522034343>anecdotal evidence through an irrelevant anomaly to justify the overturning of all sociopolitical structures to your advantageKill yourself
>>522043255At that point, we would be another species, and sex would remain binary (but fluid).
>>522043230I'm a transhumanist who takes this image to heart and makes sure to never become the virgin transhumanist, just the chad transhumanist
>>522043371>the right side is entirely achievable naturally sans the mindmelt calorically unsustainable IQWe call that "larping" anon. That isn't a transhumanist. You're just stupid.
>>522043371Good. Globohomo corrupted one of the most beautiful aims a sapient species could have, and that is extremely disgusting. Also, don't dismiss mind control schizos as just schizos, since if such tech emerges, it will very obviously be in a covert manner (with the help of social engineering, ofc).
>>522038504At that biopunk technological point, just create a voluntary human Speciation branch where this preferred reproductive trait becomes constitutive and doesn't interfere with the base human line.But no, because you are infected by second hand para-religious universalistic dreams and inherently swayed by the parasitical imperative of the current Troon reproduction strategy which must prey on the sane specimen of the host society in order to proliferate.
Trannies don't argue from a biological or scientific standpoint. Their argument is not that it is biologically possible to have certain defects or mutations, their argument is either purely linguistic (with pronouns) or psychological (I feel like a woman, therefore I am a woman). They see it as an rights issue, if people with "a female brain exists" and they need some kind of hormonal therapy then they see it as a right that they can freely opt in for the same treatment without having to prove that they have the same underlying issue. The whole gender dysphoria shit has been diagnoses for a century already, we knew about hermaphrodites for thousands of years. The problem started when people suddenly turned it into a social movement and wanted to be treated as if they have a medical condition that can be treated.
>>522043783>The whole gender dysphoria shit has been diagnoses for a century already, we knew about hermaphrodites for thousands of years.All untapped potential, for a bioleninistic monster.
>>522043783>he whole gender dysphoria shit has been diagnoses for a centuryQuestionable, considering who was doing the "diagnosis". In any case if it was a real condition the treatment was so trivial we'd apparently been doing it for thousands of years without even noticing.
>>522043481>the right side is entirely achievable naturallyIt would take aeons and be haphazard. Our decisions play a bigger part than ever thanks to science applied to practical things, ie technologyUnfortunately, quirky neurodivergent billionaires have a stranglehold on technology.PS there's no 'perfect' genetics until the double helix is modified into a torus, more stable and less volatile than the double helix
>>522043783>The problem started when people suddenly turned it into a social movement and wanted to be treated as if they have a medical condition that can be treated.There's something to this. Not many cultures have a place for trans/intersex people to just be a bit weird in. It's kind of an insult to throw drugs and surgery at everything, but plenty profitable i guess.
>>522034806That’s not how people afflicted with transgenderism come into being. An alien entity does not scoop out the brain an already mature human of opposite sex and place it in a full developed clone body with different genitals. Transgender (ignoring the attention seekers and depressed people thinking claiming transgender status will make them happy) exist due to a mental illness of the mind. If we charitably assume the defect is imposed at birth (“they were born transgender and have always been a woman!”), not imparted by a genetic predisposition and a bad childhood (raped by your uncle), the fault lies in the brain, not the body.Current transgender “therapies” in the future will be seen as barbaric and ignorant. “What were they thinking? Cutting off a guys dick would make him less depressed?”
>>522037880Without bothering to read the rest of your posts, it sounds like you’re quibbling with a semantic discussion on what counts as a woman to the general public. I suspect you want to update their definition to include some form of transgender.From a practical standpoint, instead of demanding or even trying to persuade with reasoning that people ought to use your definition, or using the government to mandate the new definition taught in schools; just let time take its course. If a sufficient number of interactions the average man of the general public faces include a transgender woman who’s sufficiently convincing that this average man generally mistake them for a conventionally defined woman, over time, people will begin to adopt a definition for woman which includes what you want.Forcing people only makes pushback.
>>522043371The trad transhumanist isnt transhuman. The peak of our evolution isn't transcending it, it is by definition within its boundaries. And be wary of gene editting, we will be fucking up God's perfect creation for hundreds of thousands of years before anything goes right. And even then, the most perfect vessel can be corrupted by rancid dogma and a reprobate mind.
Mentally ill sexual fetish. No one thinks you're a chick, not even you.
>>522048315Your cold hard logic will be wasted on this mentally ill faggot.
>>522035712>comparing a transient event to the steady stateWhy are trannies so gross and retarded. Always using fringe cases, in this case limited to a seldom occuring life event of less than a year, to justify their widespread mental illness?Do they realize their life could objectively change for the better if they just ceased this endless reinforcement of nonsensical ideas? But its one part cognitive deficiency and two part blaringly arrogant conceit
At this point I think the best idea would be to not only encourage trannies to transition but to tell them it is not enough and to purseu an increasing number of surgeries and body changes. Convince trannies that any who do not mutilate their genitals are traitors to the movement. Hopefully this wildly increases the suicide numbers and the community collapses on itself.
>>522041608We could market that shit and sell it to the chinese they'd surely find a use for it. Goat Balls Inc.
>>522034343>>522034438If anyone wants to know what this is. here you gohttps://imgur.com/gallery/sometimes-certain-animals-are-born-as-soft-of-tissue-without-limbs-amorphus-globosus-pCLa3uaNature is horrifying.
>>522034534If they had a female brain they would have a female body. It's the control center and is wired to control the organs of that body. The difference is almost certainly greater in chemical composition than structure. There are true hermaphrodite's that may have some mixed brain chemistry.
>>522034343pic rel is you
>>522034343>the garloid pet store owner fears the wild tribble farmer
>>522040870And look the demon that's attached itself to you is now mocking God all while torturing you. I'll pray for the person this demon is sock puppeting
>>522034343No such thing as "male" or "female" brain. The brain does not exist in a vacuum. Whether your brain is "male" or "female" depends entirely on the rest of your body chemistry, ergo your brain is whatever your body is and produces.
