>super cheap>fast and too small for detection and lock>near infinite range with fiber spool>can carry any kind of explosivehow would pol fight this?
If you see a drone approaching you, just take out your automatic rifle and start shooting at it.It's so easy, I don't know why professional soldiers aren't doing it.They see a drone, they just give up, they don't even reach for their gun.LMAO
>>522049747I'd have put more effort into the trench systems for a start. A blanket over a hole is not going to cut it.
If only there was a gun specifically made for shooting small fast winged objects from the sky
>>522049747payment first
Speed boats and shot guns. How fucking late are you to the demoralization? These things arent unstoppable, you just only watch the videos where they work
>>522049747Directional microwave
>>522049747Easy peasy, you find out where the drone factory is with satellites and then you fire a nuclear weapon at the factory. Problems have solutions.
>>522049747Shoot at it.
AI targeting.Drone pairs in combat units, specialized compact movable arteliery like drones that can move, scan, lock in targets and take them down.Proper covers, mesh, nets, materials that can disperse shockwave away from the target... preferably layered defense both in devices and size aka mobility. Swarm like blockchain shit.I'd redesign the whole combat field aka front line, all equipment, from uniforms, gus, projectiles, mesh, structure, mobility aspects, movement, layering... everything.
>>522049747Run at the operator.
>>522049747>how would pol fight this?Chinks put export ban on components and drone wars are over....
A modern combar unit, wearther offensive or defensive and both , entrenched and or in motion will need complete overhaul of the design and tools.And we have everything we need, keep it simple in terms of useful aspects and make the complexity in layers so to speak.I would also redesign the vehicles, robots, drones, shields, digging devices, monitoring layers, reactive layers, communication layers, from physical to tech integration it would all be redesigned.
>>522049747>asking polthis is why you got fired, shoigu
>>522049747Send more russians to intercept them
>>522049747Put these bad boys into production
>>522049747Literally still using Chinese dronesAvengeAngel Technology Co., Limited was incorporated in Hong Kong
No doubt it's not only being done, but advanced quickly.ccp did mot send thousands of specialists front observers for nothing... this is a new way of fighting a war for this civilizational cycle, and all sides learned a lot, and none learned how to survive!
>>522049747>oh you want this land>be a shame if i was to pollute it with radioactive waste
>>5220497473-5k drone if not more100 buck grenadeDunno sounds like you could get a lot of mortar shells or bullets for that money and I assume I am underestimating the cost here as you will need support material as well.Like 10km or more optical fiber is not cheap and once a drone explodes it is either useless or you have to pull it back and re-terminate it for further use.Add to that controls, headsets and charging stations, temperature controlled environments to keep batteries from failing, lubricants and replacement parts.For night use you will need different cameras which will also add up.
>>522049811Numbers of logicMight be harder in practice but Im sure this has happened a bunch of times. Probably vatniks with no ammo or are freaking out and not thinking. When its your first real life pvp you forget training. T. Forger zogbot.
>>522049747I fear the future will be a post apocalyptic nuclear wasteland with fpv drones everywhere.
>>522050557>mortarsdrones have like 5x the range of mortars...
When Trump was elected I started to have discretionary spending. I will spot your drone with my optics, and send up my drone to intercept. 1/2
>>5220515032/2And if you come at me on the ground be prepared for a 3'X3' shitshow that goes 50+ mph.
>>522050557>3-5k droneGross overestimation. You can get a cheap fpv drone from aliexpress for a few hundred bucks + army gets a discount for large scale orders. Training a soldier, a gun and some bullets is arguably more expensive.>fiberWhen you say fiber you are probably thinking of telecom fibers: silica single-mode with dispersion-countering and shit, which can be rather expensive, but for this usecase you can use the cheapest manufacturing rejects. Hell, even the plastic fiber might work.
>>522049747Probably EMP.
I'm kind of surprised Russia hasn't nuked the drone assembly factories in Ukraine yet. That's what I would do. One tactical nuke to show them whose boss. Just like WW2 with the Japanese, it will force the Ukrainians to surrender immediately instead of continuing the protracted slaughter. Of course the slaughter is probably the point. It's likely that the rich rulers of the world simply agree to fight endless wars to kill off their male populations so they don't get overthrown for being corrupt old losers.
>>522050376It's funny because the Chinese have all the resources, they have all the manufacturing given to them, we have nothing. AND the fgovernment wants us to go to war with China. LMAO nah, fuck that shit, you made this mess you clean it all up and if the Chinese oligarcs think traitors are no longer useful, thats a you problem.
>>522051971Somehow I doubt that.Those cheap drones wouldn't be able to carry such explosives and their range is limited not through fiber, but their battery and weight and energy efficiency ratios.Most of these drones have a 30 minutes run time at best conditions.The cold and additional weight drastically lower that.At some good 30 km/h you get 15 km range out of that.Realistically you won't have 30 min run time, weight and drag of the wire, the weather conditions and the additional weight and resistance from the carry load will drag that down.Bigger battery also does not work as it will shift the load to less time or carry weight as they have too little energy density.For the shit the German government claims quad copter drones do in Germany supposedly started from a tanker the batteries would require like 20-40 times if not more in energy density to achieve that.No one is honest about this shit as it does not fit the narrative.
>>522049747Wouldn't they light up in flir? Battery discharging, rotors' friction, electronics.
>>522049747Netting and synthetic spider webbing
>>522052554What did they think would happen? For the last hundred years our economy has been based on war and we gave all the tools for that to one country that was not an ally or even White. It's like giving the one gun in a neighborhood to a stranger and hoping that he gives it back to you when you ask for it.
>>522049747its easy
>>522051971>Hell, even the plastic fiber might work.wouldnt the image quality suck
I bring an olympic skeet shooter with me
>>522053555> wouldnt the image quality suck?yes.but, it only needs to be so good.you're not trying to do brain surgery over a wireyou're trying to run into a vehicle
>>522053555WDYM they still use digital communication techniques. Yeah losses will suck, but you don't need to fly too far.Also, according to jewpedia, they DO use plastic fibers, apparently.
>>522049747Heavy birdshot, a semiautomatic shotgun, a jammer.
>>522053746>the heckin pollution
>>522053446>What did they think would happen?Probably this, given our governments seem to hate us. Like they continue to enable states they label enemies, while also wanting men to fight and die. They aren't serious about winning, but they are serious about sending as many young men to die as possible. What they don't factor in is I will just ditch the west and try to marry a Chinese girl. It's not the Chinese knocking on the door arresting people in the UK for tweets or covering up child rape gangs. The country doesn't represent me, those who benefit from it can fight to maintain it.
>>522049747>how would you fight this?We already have a German weapon against it. Basically machinegun + precise infrared and other sensors. Not much a drone can do against it
>>522054046wow, looks like you do things differently in germany
Cant be that hard but I can see how this is forgotten tech in pussia
>>522054046>fly low>send 2 droneskaboom
>>522049747I don't understand why they aren't using under barrel grenade launchers which they already have and develop some prox fuse frag grenades for the drones Its that simple
>>522049747Jamming 2.4GHz/3.5GHz/5GHz.Also 1200-1600Mhz to jam GPS.When you jam comms frequencies, drones fall out of the sky.
>>522054255>fly lowDo you not see how the turret can tilt down to aim for the ground up to 2m close from the vehicle? Retard
>>522054358
>>522054358>OHH GOD IM GONNA JOOOOOOM>OH GOD IM JOOOOOOOOOMINGa drone with cat6 cable counters your shitty jam jam
>>522049747With some thing Grumman or whoever is going to make such that you point at it and it drops itself.
>>522054614>a drone with cat6 cable counters your shitty jam jamHow are you operating it remotely?If you are operating it remotely, you can get jammed.If it's autonomous like on-board AI controlled, maybe not.But there's still many ways to zap it outta the sky.I'm not afraid of flying Raspberry Pi'sYou can just ZAP them
>>522054463>muh german weapon>30 shots>no hitskek
>>522054472Shotguns
Anti drone explosion proof umbrellas. You heard it here first.
>>522049848The only person who knows. Detection can still be an issue though as the reduce the radar signature. Gonna need to get the mesh sensor network Israel is working on running first
>>522049747With a net thrower. Or a gun.>>522049811Mostly because the people you see in those videos are prisoners being executed most don't even have a gun.
>>522053446>>522053966China had no middle class and was made up of subsistence farmers in 1980. Greedy jews and their shabbos goy exported all the manufacturing jobs there to make shekels, essentially gutting the middle class in the west. Lo and behold, it created a robust middle class there, and now the turntables. It’s the same thing that happened to Europe after ww2, where manufacturing shifted to the US. Same greedy kikes. Same destruction/creation of the middle class. All for shekels.
Suicide drones are just one way, the other and much worse ard the bomber drones, hovering high, above your eyesight and dropping the bomb on bleeding ziggers
>>522055050that's not a terrible idea actually lol
>>522049747>near infinite range with fiber spoolEuropean education
>>522050557>10km or more optical fiber is not cheap>>522049747>fiber spoolWait, are you saying these things aren't radio controlled but attached to the controller with a physical wire???
>>522055542>the infinite was meant literallyamerican education
>>522049747>fast and too small for detection and lockNope, they are detected and locked quite easily, they are no fucking logic behind your inaccurate claim.>near infinite range with fiber spoolNot at all, but this is certainly not the case for the F-35, the futuristic weapon.>can carry any kind of explosiveNopeDespite the turkish regime propaganda, drones are mediocres and weak, like the turkish regime, and certainly aren't the future of warfare, and this is the same for land drones.
The same way you fight a shell.
>>522049747how come they are not seen in gaza in any large scale?
donkey jammer
>>522055050Except the explosion has like 5m radiusSo you'll get that umbrealla impalled inside your chest
>>522053625>>522053746interesting thanks
>>522049747very easy:you build a mobile radar that has a fast aiming laser gun attached and mount it on somethint like a jeep. then you can protect a radius of around 50m around that efficiently. it's a pretty obvious solution and the challenge is mainly having the detection and laser aim-botting properly synced, everything done near realtime and reliable even with shit weather or falsepositives around.likely needs some nvidia card for additional visual confirmation by AI evaluation. but yeah, thats it in a nuthsell.
>>522049747Cover everything in syntactic foam. The microstructure of it will dissipate any force of the explosion.
>>522054977It's not supposed to hit. It's fragmentation ammunition designed to explode near the target.
>>522054046this is more for larger medium sized ones like the shahee lawnmower types. its very impractical against fast moving fpv drones.
Antidrones are the answer. They're designed to scan and fly towards enemy drones.
>>522055108>with a net thrower, or a gunYeah I reckon I could hit an object the size of a football traveling at 80kph with a bullet, or I could launch a net and take it out before it's well within kill radius.In the last 3 years neither side has developed a proper defense because they're just dumb as hell, not that it's a mass manufactured $100 man portable TOW missile.
>>522055621Id call it a filament, not a cable
why doesn't somebody just make a thousand drones and send them all at the same time to bomb Putin and Kim Jong Un
>>522056802Then why don't they find a downed drone, then follow the "filament" to its source and destroy it?
>>522049747A slingshot lmao
>>522056576If it's a large net then you could, in those videos the drones are very slow. If they were 80 km/h you couldn't see them in the video and they wouldn't hit the target.Even a fishing net would make them fall and it's cheap.
>>522058827>in those videos the drones are very slow.The $15 temu drones that carry hand grenades from the first year of the war?Ukraine has been pumping out videos of drones the size of a football with $100 of c4 strapped to them.They're as fast as a bird, you are NOT stopping that with a net gun or shooting it down. Again, the best and brightest of the US and Russian military R&D can't produce any decent anti-drone tech in the last 4 years but your scooby doo bullshit can outdo them?
>>522059287I should also add, you're going to need a lot of net guns if you intend to deal with the legions of drones that come flying at you now.They have fucking fields of them littered everywhere on both sides, when you net a single drone they activate a second one nearby.War isn't an esport, you don't change your loadout that hard counters the enemies gadgets.
>>522049811If you'd seen any of the videos online of Russian recruits you'd know why they're not doing it.The average Russian soldier is sub 60 IQ and in a constant state of drunkenness. These are people who can barely function as a human being and most of them were forced to sign up when they were passed out drunk on the streets and someone just stuck their thumb print on a contract.
>>522059287>nooooo you're not stopping my Gucci drone by shooting it downNigger, they are shooting them down with their grandpa's TOZ, it's a fuckin chink quadcopter, nobody is using a fixed wing money burner to kill 1(one) infantryman.
>>522049747Explosives are obsolete already, they just don't want you to know yet. Every superpower has the technology to render explosives useless on the battlefield. It basically allows them to ignite and/or detonate any explosive compound within a certain radius, which is hundreds of miles already if not thousands. Each explosive has a unique frequency but they can all be destroyed just by sweeping through a list.
>>522060043They sure are man.I seen some sick ass 360 noscope compilations on youtube where a single guy with a Saiga12 destroyed an entire swarm of them with a single shot.I also only watch the same 12 webms that have been posted for the entirety of the war by the same guy to base my opinions on the technology, this is why the USA and Russia haven't developed any real defenses - they've been assured by noguns yurotards with six tours in warzone advising them on the weaknesses of the technology.They'll spool out fiber optic cable for drones but they would NEVER EVER upgrade past the $15 temu special with a lever to drop a live grenade.
>>522052166Assuming that ukraine produces weapons it uses... do amerimurts really?
>>522049811you'd run out of ammo before you land a hit and will die while reloading
>>522059445
>>522053889biodegradable landmines when?
>>522049747Easy.have and automatic shot gun ,.dispersing ammunition. ,.flak type gun.They just have not started producing such weapons yet. But they will.But you rely on the soldier's hearing, acuistic detection of the incoming droneThr problem will come when they start making them less noisy.
>>522049813SavedFuck clankers
>>522055621have been for over a year now. unjammable and able to manoeuvre around objects & terrain that would otherwise disrupt signal for RF drones
>>522049811>If you see a drone approaching you, just take out your automatic rifle and start shooting at it.>It's so easy, I don't know why professional soldiers aren't doing it.they do this all the the time but they in 99.9% miss it.>They see a drone, they just give up, they don't even reach for their gun.They know that hitting it is close to impossible. So close that it is impossible.You need special type.of ammo ,.flak type of ammo, shotgun , pellets, dispercing ammo that can bursts a d create a cloud of fragments of at least 2 yards in diameter to have a chance to stop the drone.And even if have it can still explode in the air and couse damage to you if it is close.
>>522049747Drones with DroneShield on them to Drone other Drones. Put the DroneShield on a regular stick if you have to. Give both sides DroneShield Drone, there's no more drones.
>>522058298because of you leave your position to follow a 35km long fibre filament you will be targeted and struck by from bed and artillery you fucking retard, furthermore there are so many being used that fields look like glittering spiderwebs
>>522049747>*Puts my trusty gps jammer in my back pocket*>*Walks through battlefield with drones falling out of the sky all around me*Heh, that's all you got?
>>522061318Surely if the drone is dependent on a long, lightweight, thin filament to function... destroying the filament itself must be a way to neutralize the drone? At that length and weight, and it has to be pretty fragile. Its going to be too small to see directly, but there must be some way to shred all of the filament in the area with an air burst or something.
>>522061459>*dies to the drone in op because it is controlled using fiber optic cable instead of radio signals*
>>522060965it's already difficult enough when you're deafened from being shelled all day long for weeks at a time. the human eye and ear do not have the acuity to identify and target a drone coming in on a terminal trajectory at 160km/h or so. by the time you see or hear it you're fucked
If this piece of shit really works in life, then why has there never been an attempt to assassinate any official or oligarch in its entire existence? I refuse to believe it actually works
>>522049811>Drone lies in wait on the roadsideWhat now? Drone operators have been doing this ever since.
>>522049747EMP and kill the operators/inventors(+ family, sorry I don't like to be that guy but you're making undetectable controllable flying explosives, you deserve everything coming to you)
>>522049747>too small for detectionWrong>near infinite range with fiber spoolNot only wrong but also very impractical and limits manouverability>can carry any kind of explosiveNo
>>522049811>automatic rifle>t. Never fired a rifle
>>522061595yea definitely possible, but then you're relying on simply not been my seen n and targeted in the first place. there are videos of troops from either side using scissors to clip the fibre, of course that's only viable contextually. the drone may be passing by you over a massive field that's already being surveilled, and could be 100 metres or more from your position, you'll be exposing yourself, your AO could have been active and had hundreds of drones traversing that field already making the whole thing a massive tangle of trip hazards that you'll get caught in. not saying it's impossible, you just have to be brave, fast, and very lucky
>>522061595They are literally everywhere and can fly for many miles.You'd need to start bombing 360 around you, NOT kill your own soldiers repositioning, and hope they don't just roll out more from another spot you just hit.You could argue that you can send sapper teams to start snipping lines but that's with the belief you've not been spotted with thermals approaching from miles away or that they're not being trapped with mines.There's no easy answer to it really.>>522061459>gets droned faster because you're broadcasting your exact location to everyone with communication equipment
>>522061745Kind of hard for the layperson to get their hands on a grenade or a tank shell. Maybe it'll happen in Sweden some day.
>>522061971Thats why i say with an air burst or something. Something that can afford to explode NEAR the drone, and if it takes out the drone thats fine but its real goal is to shred the filament which is, by definition, connected to the drone so you don't even need to be able to see it from where you are as long as you know where the drone is. If you blow the air burst close enough to the drone, you should be reasonably confident that the filament will be caught in the blast and snapped. I'm sure there is some reason this isn't as simple as it sounds, but it is what I would try first in terms of counter.
>>522049747badminton nets and fans
>>522049747Behold, anti-drone technology!
>>522062064The idea isn't to have an immunity proof shield such that you can walk outside in your underwear and a cup of coffee and have zero risk of getting droned, anon. Its to have a reasonable chance to shooting down a drone that you have already spotted, instead of your best option being "open your arms and welcome your death".
Trampoline helmet attachment to bounce it off.
>>522049747>fast and too small for detection and lockNo it's not. A good camera, AI lock, and .22 or 5.56 turret with high ROF would fuck any drone up.
>>522062168TATP is extremely easy to make.
>>522062343If you're talking about flak weapons, that's already a proposed defense.It's not a good defense because it requires heavy equipment that's going to be extremely vulnerable to artillery/guided bombs/infantry/drone zergsThe best people have come up with is microwave emitters that will instantly fry their electronics but it runs into the same issue of being a massive target on top of instantly killing any living thing it's pointed at.
>>522062168You think making a gun out of nothing is easier than making a bomb?
>>522054952They're wire guided now to avoid being jammed or am I missing your point?
>>522049813his shack looks comfy
>>522062206what platform are you firing this air burst round from? are you planning to make air burst rounds for the realistic platform that is the rifle that every one of your soldiers is already carrying around? an exploding 5.45 or 5.56 is unlikely to sever the filament even if you've got it dialed in to the right range. it's a novel idea, but not very scalable, the russians have been experimenting with ak rounds that are essentially buckshot, and issuing shotguns to fire teams, it's not perfect but it's better than nothing, and while the drone is searching for targets and hasn't seen you it's a very viable option, just don't miss. your best bet is 'simply do not be seen', which mostly means hiding in a hole. dig a trench and keep digging it, conceal it. if you have to move be fast and don't cluster up (dirt bikes, quad bikes, fucking golf cars and escooters). if you can't be fast then move at night so they have to use thermal optics, if they have thermal optics then pray you're issued thermal cloaks. both sides are already using 'best practices' since mistakes or poor practices get your men killed. if you're really interested in this you should get a drone of your own and peruse some of the more level headed and analytical telegram channels
>>522049813If only there was a way to train shooting these small objects that zoom through the sky with a specialized weapon
>>522054279They do. Not accurate at all.
>>522062343the notion that you're going to see the drone before it sees you is something you're going to have to get past. it's highly improbable to say the least. drones have exceptionally good optics these days, i would spot you moving with my mavic 4 from kilometres away and you'd never know. your best and first option is 'simply do not be seen' and moving from there. once you get to 'simply kinetically intercept the drone before it impacts you' you're practically dead already
>>522062694wait wait...im not up to date on this tech...so there is no a long wire leading back to some operation headquarters? like the drones are not wireless anymore? how does this work? what am I missing about how these wired drones operate that it doesnt create a huge logistical mess of having a wire floating behind it everywhere it goes?
>>522049747Another drone with a net and AI.It's not going to hurt anyone with a net, but it can stop a drone that's more expensive.
>>522063654you have a confirmation bias. obviously the video from drones that do get shot down is unlikely to be shared. it does happen and both sides are issuing shotguns to fire teams for this explicit purpose. you seem to think that you will simply have perfect perception of your battle space and to be able to identify and track drones at ranges of hundreds of metres. you will not. then of course when missing your shot is the difference between life and death you may find it is not that easy to kinetically intercept the target on its terminal trajectory towards your face at 150km/h, especially if the operator is trying not to be intercepted
>>522063964you're like 2 years late dude.they use a spool like this >>522054472 that lets go of the plastic wire so as to have minimal dragand it does leave the battlefield with a mess of plastic wires
What do you mean? You just enter Ninja Run and then you'll chop all the drones automatically as you move, just like you deflect bullets. Don't you guys do that?
>>522055621Yes, but it is only a thin optical fiber for data.The battery limitations still exist and are what limits range.Which is why claims of huge distances are all BS.Especially what the German government currently claims in Germany.It is impossible for those drones to make anything close to 100 km, not even 50 km.Realistically maybe 10 km.German government claims that the drones in Germany by Russia make anywhere from 500 to 1000 km.Batteries for these drones would meed to he at least 20 as energy dense, if it is a heavier drone or carries payload you would need more than 40 times the energy density.Such batteries simply do not exist.If it were VTOLs with combustion engines sure, but not quad or hexa copters.
>>522064199>if I use kinetically enough people will think im an expertMy bro you haven't been outside in 3 months, your expertise is in question
>>522063964it does. these filaments are so thick on the ground sometimes that they can foul vehicles and create serious obstacles. the reason they are used is that they are unjammable and their signal cannot be blocked by obstaclessm0x0
>there are cables being left everywhere a drone fliesGuaranteed there's some nasty shit coated on the cables too to fuck with people trying to move them to stop them getting in the way. Wouldn't even be surprised if there was shit on it to poison the dirt in enemy territory.
>>522049747Assuming they cannot be jammed or destroyed with wide-range microwave weapons, there's literally fragmenting rounds right now for 5.56 NATO for killing drones, shotguns, smaller scale robot turrets that can identify and bring them down with 7.62 or .50 easily. And then there's the big one:SPAAGs. They've fallen out of favour in the last decades thanks to beyond line of sight anti-air missiles and radar systems, but:>super cheapWith how much work drones need to be military capable, still more expensive than a round or two of 40mm or whatever autocannon round.>fast and too small for detection and lockSimply not true. They are fast relatively, but slower than basically all other aircraft, and are in fact not too small for detection and lock for modern systems.>can carry any kind of explosiveNo they can't. Most can't carry anything except very small explosives. This is such a stupid point that I don't even know what to say. The overwhelming majority of drones are not capable of carrying heavy anti-armor payloads.We are already seeing the development of newer lighter armored vehicles carrying larger autocannons with the ability to fire programmable explosive/shrapnel rounds.Overall, drones will not revolutionize anything except reconnaissance, as they are functionally just loitering munitions which have existed in one form or another for decades.
>>522064195interceptor drones exist and are being treated by both sides. the net is gilding the lily, simply crash the interceptor into the drone. the issue is that the interceptor has to be smaller and faster and more precise than the attack drone. it's probably quite difficult to get an effective AI module onto a drone and keep it nimble enough to do that job, but I don't know much about computing hardware or AI
>>522064294you are a fucking nigger you fat cunt
>>522050459I am still waiting for a viable handheld weapon system with this shit. You could make it something retardedly small like 4mm, and it would still have extreme lethality due to completely perforating any unarmored parts on a human.
>>522049811kek'd
Shottie beats smoll droneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBN-0E6iM8Y
>>522049747I drop fbi drones around my property regularly. You have to jam the radio frequencies which live around 4-5MHz. A higher powered radio amplifier putting out 5k watts of harsh carrier will cause them to not receive the signal from the glownigger transmitter and drop from the sky. I have a few of the ones they were using and have reverse engineered them to operate on the frequency I want. So I basically have US government drones that I can deploy.
>>522064624Lol come on Mr fancy, no big words without AI helping?
>>522051971Those cheap FPV drones are unusable you fucking midwit. Not only can they not carry a payload, the bigger ones need to be extensively retrofitted to counter jamming and other bullshit.
>>522056576Small, insanely fast autonomous drones whose goal is to simply kamikazee and disable the enemy drones flying capability? Seems feasible in theory. Kind of like an auto turret / bubble shield idea.
>>522049747If drone warfare comes to American soil, then Americans would simply shoot the first Jew they see until the drones start going away. Because everybody knows it's Jews starting these wars, and Jews profiting from them. >>522051636>Battery life: 5 minutes, 2 minutes with full loadFrightening, just frightening!
>>522064779you see all my stupid phone typos and think i have an ai writing this shit? you really are a fat nigger and you're projecting to boot
>>522049747tunnel machine.pngand or covered trenches
>>522052166If russia uses a nuke they lose all leverage. Not only will they likely get nuked for showing they're actually willing to just strike first with them, but the main thing keeping NATO out of ukraine is the threat of escalation to nuclear.
>How'd ye like th'auld twirly whirlies ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuu1SKxSqOg
>>522064207>>522064345>youre 2 years latei know, im a big retard. but i am here to learn.so i guess once they develop the technology to easily identify those wires and track them back to the den of drone operators they will have to think of something else, right? i just dont get how this makes it better. i get that it cant be jammed, but i thought one of the great advantages of the drone was it was not so easy to track down the human operators to kill.
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>>522062646I think there's a barrier of intelligence and effort involved. Look at islamic terrorists- they're led by smart people with western educations, but the average terrorist is a drooling retard whose master plan tends to start and stop at stealing a truck, or shooting up a concertAlso, the golden era of anarchy for drone users is long over. Governments understand the threat and prepare for it now
>>522054977That looks a lot like the drone goin down before the video cuts.
>>522049747If I were the leader of my nation, I would make it clear to my enemies before the war starts that the moment we receive reports of drones being used for anything other than recon, the nukes will start flying. You will fight us honorably and fairly or you will be annihilated.
>>522051971>army gets a discount for large scale ordersdon't tell the amerimutts
>>522065264There's no honor in any war that uses projectiles
>>522064961even if you could easily detect this very think fibre filament, you would have to leave your (presumably) safe position to follow the filament for up to 35km. if there are drones operating in the area you would be spotted and targeted in seconds. RF signals can also be tracked, which is why many drone units use signal repeaters both to extend range and obfuscate the location of the operator. if you're using RF drones without signal repeaters near the front line you're surprisingly easy to track for a competent drone unit when you consider maximum effective range and optimal signal strength (you want to be emitting signal from an elevated and unobstructed position)
>>522065362True let's force everyone into melees or nukes will fly which ironically would cut the casualty rates back to 10% or less.
>>522065190We saw how control of the supply chain worked with the Zionist Pagers. Now apply that control to drones and drone parts, controllers etc.Anyone who successfully managed an attack in the US would be tracked down pretty quick.
>>522065362Wrong. There's still honor as long as the soldiers are still putting themselves in harm's way. Drone operators don't put themselves in harm's way, making them dishonorable cowards. Even pilots of military aircraft are more honorable since they can still be shot down and killed.
>>522049747THAT'S THE POINT ANON YOU CAN'T..YOUNG ANONS NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY ... 1st, its the ultimate form of slavery 2nd you do not have a snowballs' chance in hell on the modern battlefield against drones. Furthermore the hecking technology is rapidly evolving.ANONS & GROYPERS NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY.
>>522049747>how would pol fight this?Remote work from home service for my country and/or Israel.
>>522065541.....
>>522065521Nope. Murder is only honorable if you feel your opponent die
There's no realistic way to counter themSure 1 of your guys will have a shotgun but that is extremely difficult to score a hit with on a drone flying at you with 2 rpgs strapped to it.Only hope is to not be seen
>>522054358My drone gun also uses a tripod made out of the building smokestack behind it... So close.
>>522065264ROFLMFAO
>>522065521why would you fight fair if you can destroy enemy forces without endangering your own? this is literally the principle your own government has operated on for at least 35 years insofar as attacking people who can't shoot back. going nuclear over a little fpv droning just guarantees you'll turn the earth into a pile of radioactive ashes. plenty of drone operators die, war isn't a safe endeavour. the russian Rubicon group actively hunt ukrainian drone operators very successfully
>>522061772Good luck, the operator is likely sitting kilometers away in a well fortified base. (would be surpised if not)Family might have moved to America or some shit so good luck getting to them.>>522065264Ukraine used to have nukes but neutered all of them for US protection from what I recall. Could be wrong tho.
>>522049747blast it with piss
>>5220659482 guys with shotguns = 360 degree coverage .. bird shot will damage enough to break propellors .. birdshot is a fairly wide cone. Skeet/clay pidgeon shooting is good practice. Not 100% .. low flying with sun behind or camouflage is hard to counter, but also flying low and fast isn't easy, esp with explosive attachment. Soldiers have a fighting chance with shotguns.
>>522066103the nukes were russian. the ukrainians never had the arming or launching codes, they simply returned those nukes to their rightful owner in moscow (after trying for 4 years to crack those codes)
Eventually elite units will be equipped with helmet mounted personal CWIS
>>522065450ok, yeah. i was thinking about it a different way. but if your squad is huddled down, and you already know the enemy squad is huddled done somewhere on the other side of the hill or something, doesnt do much good to follow the wires while they send the human guided improvised bombs into ur position.i suppose i was thinking about it in a more broad way, like pure search and destroy drone missions instead of the other tactical uses. if you know what i mean.
>>522066163in what operational context? are they walking back to back through an open field?
>>522066298Either misremembered or got misinformed, either way thanks for the correction mate!
>>522049747You don’t see the videos where they shoot the drone.
>>522049747
nuke population centers of people that use them
>>522066328theoretically you're right, you just need operational superiority in your drone based ISR assets. you have to understand that the drone squads on both sides are essentially playing high stakes hide and sell with each other. if you're trying to track and eliminate them, they're doing the same thing to you. your scenario relies on technical, tactical, and material superiority. you should look at the russian Rubicon group for examples of what you're thinking of
>>522066394your squad hears the buzzing of a drone .. squad spreads out and kneels and forms coverage for shotgun operators .. and yes shotgun operators stand back to back with a 10 or 15 foot gap .. offering 360 degree cover turning once drone sighted .. this is the kind of training soldiers and armies excell at.
>>522066541have you seen the video of how a flight training officer fought Command to show why Bomber gunners were missing German 109 fighters shooting down US bombers over Germany ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW-yZTaMWOA
>>522049747You can hear them from max height easy.
>>522052554>It's funny because the Chinese have all the resourcesTheir issue is that they rely so heavily on resources that they will sell anything at a loss just to survive. They must export or they will die, and they just lost their greediest and richest customer. America consumes so much that even the rest of the world combined cannot match its demand.
>>522066675by the time you hear the buzzing you're likely already dead, these things can travel up to and on excess of 150km/h, your squad should have an RF detector, hopefully one advanced enough to determine direction, not just distance. what's the plan for if the drone is on the ground waiting in ambush? your best first option is 'simply do not be seen'.
>>522066908LOL you're so full of shit. almost impossible even if you're not practically deaf from being shelled all day for weeks
>>522065521>>522065521Nah you're wrong mate.Drone operators are the number 1 target and are in danger.As soon as your position is found out, the Russians will send everything they have to your position.Just a few days ago one of our drone positions was attacked by russians who managed to sneak into their blendazh and they were killed>>522066163Even with 2 Shottys you'll be very lucky to hit a drone.As for flying low, most fpvs I've seen fly only a few metres off the ground and they are on top of you very shortly after you hear them
>>522049747>>near infinite range with fiber spoolyeah that spools not an impediment at all, infinite range!
>>522049811There are webms of some gigachads doing exactly that. Specialized rounds or something + training for it. Might be worth looking into bros. Ultimately it seems like a financial matter. If they can justify swarming you, as it stands things seem pretty fucked.
>>522066675Your team is already spread out.You only walk in a single line with at least 5-10m gap between each of you.
>>522066988Rf detectors are pretty much useless now due to that many drones flying around>>522066675Having 2 guys back to back just means that 2 guys will get hit instead of 1
>>522065541If you are on path to become an officer or SOF and want it you should absolutely join the military. Under no circumstances would I enlist as an American though.
>>522067048I can hear them easy with cars and everyday life going on around me during rush hour when theyre above me etc
>>522067408that is why is specified 10 -15 feet separation .. can you not at least read what I wrote ?
>>522067408better than nothing imo. definitely better than relying on eyes and ears. I'd rather have the RF detector going spastic the whole time letting me know I'm in danger than to not know until I hear the high pitched whine of death coming straight at me
>>522067673Yeah my bad I missed that part.
>>522067516no you can't ranjeet
>>522067758Yeah that's a fair enough point mate to each their own
>>522049747which side am I on
>>522067798At their max height I can, but I have really good hearing ina weird way. Also you can sense youre being watched/somethings there aswell before theyre in your hearing cone radius. Its a very distint noise.
*distinct noise. But im talking about being in normal city rush hour type levels of noise not shelling etc.
>>522067871I suppose if you're in a hot sector and you know there's swarms of drones flying around it loses a lot of utility. You're hiding in a hole anyway or at least minimising your exposure and vulnerability as a matter of routine and self preservation. it's more useful when there are less drones actually so you won't be taken by surprise while you're traversing a 'safe' area. If command tells you 'don't worry about rf detector the skies are clear' or 'our jamming is keeping the drones away from your area' then i will absolutely be using it
>>522068031>>522068109maybe you've got unusually good hearing, but I doubt you'd be able to hear or see my mavic 4 at 500m altitude and 2-3km lateral from your position, especially if it's got the noise reducing props on
>>522063718Where?
>>522068171Unfortunately pretty much everywhere is a hot sector now.The Russians have a fuck load of drones now so they just swarm everywhere, especially where i am near pokrovsk.We are way outnumbered
>>522068310I spot drones very well around my way. Day and obviously night as they have the little light. But whoever is flying them gets freaked out as I always wave at them and he quickly fucks off. Theres drones patrolling three areas where I live at all times. Then others coming where I am. Have been for ages.
>>522054977>anon discovers HE ammunition
>>522049747Part of the Russia/Ukie settlement will be to declare the future use of any under a certain (cheap) size as a War Crime like chemical weapons, etc.
>>522056227I have a few problems with this.>technicians requiredFor proper coverage a military would need a fuck ton more technicians to maintain these systems. They get a limited pool of people intelligent enough to work on rf tech as is, plus a training time of about half a year to just get them to apprentice level, the military would have to pay out the ass for civilian technicians.>manufacturing capacityIt's going to be years before anyone makes enough for full coverage>flying under the radarSitting a drone hidden on the side of the road, have it controlled via a fiber optic, when the vehicle comes up fly low and hit it.
>>522068396how haven't they taken this yet? how are you even supplying it?
>>522054977That's flakYou can see the drone nosediving
>>522061191>You need special type.of ammo ,.flak type of ammo, shotgun , pelletWhy? A direct hit with a rifle round would put it out of commission. They are plastic toys. I understand it could be a difficult shot on a moving target, but certainly not impossible.
>>522068621they aren't supplying it. anything moving there gets targeted
>>522055970>Except the explosion has like 5m radiusUmbrella on a longer stick.
>>522064961you're overthinking it a bit.
>>522068818more projectiles, clustered like buckshot, better chance to intercept. simple. why do you think people use shotguns to hunt birds?
>>522049747Дepивaция, хopoшee opyжиe пpoтив дpoнoв, нo плeшивый пeдoфил-пpeдaтeль caбoтиpyeт пpoизвoдcтвo, ибo eгo цpyшныe хoзяeвa нe хoтят пpoизвoдcтвo этoй ycтaнoвки
>>522065362based and Spartanpilled
>>522068621It'd be drone dropping supplies but those guys won't be able to hold off for long.
>>522049747Easily. You can convert most .30 cal rifles by using 00 buck and a hollow rubber sheath. Ripping off original projectile, stacking 5 00buck in the sheath, dropping that into original case, smoosh to length and now your rifle shoots buckshot in a spread.Or just carry shotgun with a choke tube.Easily either way.
>>522068621If they try and surrender, Ukranian drones will probably hit them too. Streams of captured soldiers would be a big PR victory for Russia that they want to avoid.
>>522068818Its extremely difficult to hit a moving target especially one that's fly8ng towards you at 100km/h with an RPG strapped to it.
>>522069235>easilyyou should go and show the ukrainians how it's done
>>522049747You know, shells and automatic shotguns are more expensive than a conscript. It's simple economics
>>522068968That will be too unwieldy for malnutritioned slav mobiks
>>522062694snibeti snab
>>522052554>It's funny because the Chinese have all the resources, they have all the manufacturing given to them, we have nothing.They are extremely dependent on importing the raw materials, in addition to food and energy/fuel, so they are kinda screwed, too
>>522049811I do this all the time in Call of Duty, never miss
>>522069353It's difficult to hit any target, guns are precision tools.I recommend everyone to take a laser pointer, a watermelon-sized target, walk away ten meters, try to point the lase at it, turn it on then try and see if you can "hit" it with no adjustment.
>>522063964>TOW missiles, torpedoesWire guided missiles are pre WW2 tech. I believe ranges can go out to as much as 10 kilometers.
>>522054279Probably hard to hit a fast moving drone that way, and per shot probably as expensive as the drone itself.
>>522054358That's why they use fiber optics now ...
Break apart 5.56 rounds that can cycle a fully automatic AR at almost 2x the velocity of regular shotgun shot.Have everyone in the squad with a magazing shoot at it.About 5-8 guys with 30 rounds of 5.56 that shoots about ~5 pelletsSo thats about 1200 lead pellets traveling at ~200 fps fully automatic.How about belt fed lmgs loaded with them.They're all fiber optic now EW doesn't work on any of the fiber optic drones.
>>522068616not only techies .. these installation or mobile tech present a very nice target for stand off missiles .. tech is expensive .. techies are expensive to train. War is a much about economics as anything.
>>522049747high powered microwaves will disable or destroy the chips in it regardless of the fiber
>>522071017Expense does not matter, do you think underbarrel grenade laucher amunition is more expensive than a soldier with all his gear from vests, boots, uniform, helmet, bags, rifle and every single thing that gets lost when they get exploded?That's really stupid
>>522071371~2000 fps out of an ARShotgun pellets are about 1000 fpsAll through an AR sonyou don't need trap/skeet shooting pros or lug around a 12 guage
>>522061595Assuming these things are mostly used on the front line, you need forces behind enemy lines to do that.And there probably are already hundreds or thousands of filaments on the battlefield.If the enemy has time and resources, he probably can build a designated kill zone that all the drones fly over before going towards the enemy, so that anymore following the filament will get ambushed.
>>522071506it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out in combat .. taking a large sample of engagements to see which method works out better. At the moment we are all just guesstimating.
>>522071639no need to follow. the US has total satellite domination and SpaceX has been chucking hundreds of US military constellation satelitles into LEO for the last 5 years along with thier own commercial satellites. Add to that the UAV drones with camera's that can see heat signatures etc drones operators operating forward will not have a easy time of it.
>>522071495When the defense weapon is as expensive or even more expensive than the attack weapon and you need several shots to hit, you have to have deep pockets to keep on fighting (or someone else paying the price of your iron dome...).Cost doesn't matter if you're the US armed forces against some sandniggers, but among equal powers war is also economic.
>>522071971In a hot environment you probably have to be on the move constantly, like some mobile artillery pieces that move immediately after firing a round.
>>522072044In this case you're completely wrongUnderbarrel grenades are NOT expensive than a whole ass soldier with all his gear and rifleAre you retarded by any chance?
Can’t fly a drone if you don’t have hands…. Want to know more?
>>522066842That doesn’t look like a real sentence but I’ll watch your video later
>>522051503>System depends on iPhonengmi
>>522049747>how do you fight this?Bomb dropper drones: indirect artillery set for detonation at 50-100 meters altitude. they are vulnerable because they slow down and hover. At this stage they can be shot down by old fashioned canister shells fired from 10-15 km away. Suggest artillery caliber: 75-105 mm. Available artillery caliber: 155 mm. FPV drones: new 10-12 mm smoothbore auto guns with flechette and pellet ammunition. Available guns: 5.56 and 7.62mm rifled guns.NATO and Russia is trying to fight a new war with old weapons and old doctrines. The standardization of all artillery to 155 mm means that there is no lightweight artillery that you can use to spam shells, a 155 mm shell is 3x the weight of an 105 mm and 7x the weight of a 75 mm. So you can have much heavier fire volume with the same amount of logistic capability if you have smaller calibers. The latest fad is to put a gun on a truck, the biggest gun you can stick on a 6x6 is 130 mm, an 155 requires at least 8x8. The recoil force from a 155 full charge is at least 60 tons so you cant use civilian off the shelf trucks because the frame will crack.Western armies have not adapted to the new battlefield conditions in Ukraine because the assumption is that the airforce advances, the infantry occupies, a variant of the pre world war 1 idea of the artillery advances, the infantry occupies. This did not work out well then the artillery failed to advance in world war 1. If western airforces fail because of multiple reasons - too heavy losses not offset by too complex and difficult to produce aircraft, too few muntions available, too low muntion production, airbases vulnerable to long range preicision guided muntions, carriers sunk by shoals of hundreds of anti ship missiles, then its over. There is no fallback in case of airforce failure other than muh nooks.
>>522049812>I'd have put more effort into the trench systems for a start. A blanket over a hole is not going to cut it.Not even that. What would be needed in ukraine is some kind of trench digging machine so you can dig long trenches towards the front and then cover them so you have drone safe communications and resupply corridors. At present the front in ukraine consists of a 30 km wide death zone where tiny teams of 2-4 ukies or russians camp in house wreck or holes while being chased by drones. Unironically just tunneling at 100 feet trough the sedimentary rock and earth would be faster than trying to advance on the surface.
>>522072837too easy to discover sapper tunnels .. the sensitivity of modern instruments mean any activity will be registered well before it presents a problem to defenders. Ground penetration bombs would turn those holes in graves. Ofc those bombs are very expensive and slow to produce right now, but in total war that might change. Simplified versions that are 'good enough' rather than the bespoke low volume engineering we see deployed today.
>>522054046>We already have a German weapon against it. Basically machinegun + precise infrared and other sensors. Not much a drone can do against itThat thing does not have enough armor to survive the front in ukraine. It would have to enter the death zone to be effective, and would get swarmed by drones and bombed by artillery.
>>522055880>how come they are not seen in gaza in any large scale?Hamas used drones but ran out of them pretty quickly. They banked on the success of their new fancy two stage RPG rounds but israeli trophy defense system proved effective against these.
>>522071061They have a cable attached to the drone to lead back to where they are? I don’t understand what you mean by “use fiber optics now”
>>522049747https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQvBZKsdAAc&pp=ygUXQWRtaW50aXN0cmF0aXZlIHJlc3VsdHM%3D
>>522049747>how do you fight this?>>super cheap >>fast and too small for detection and lock >>near infinite range with fiber spool >>can carry any kind of explosive >>how would pol fight this?I use a drone for deer hunting quite a bit. It's amazingly hard to see the deer on my property even when there's no leaves on the trees. Better flying them into tanks and then it is troops.
>>522049811>They see a drone, they just give up,Most of it's fake
>>522061459FPV drones are not dependent on GPS. Go back to skool amerimutt.
>>522073689It's an extremely thin fiber optic cable thats like 50Km long.Look at some footage of the Ukrainian war zone.There's this fishing line looking stuff littered EVERYWHERE all through the trees and across the roads.Its a wired connection, no wireless or radio needed, no signals to block or jam
>>522073689Yes.
>>522049747Shoot them down? What are you retarded?
>>522069380I learned that from ukie and russian telegram channels... don't like the idea of slowing your meat grinder rabbi?
>>522073723>bzzzzzzzz>fuck let me change mag to my drone ammo mag>dies reloading
>>522049811Too based for this board
>>522049747>>522049811https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07KCfkPJYdU&t=138
>>522049747By not invading sovereign countries
>>522075039Yeah, I don't get why there have been so many initiatives to try and make anti-drone ammunition for rifles. Personally if someone asked me to come up with a solution for regular infantrymen I'd say just stick an underslung shotgun onto everyone's service rifles, that way you've got your general purpose weapon and your anti-drone weapon available at all times and you don't have to waste precious seconds switching over a magazine or pulling out a separate shotgun. Won't be as effective out to as long a range as a full shotgun but it's better than nothing and the whole squad isn't fucked if the guy carrying a full shotgun gets killed and nobody can grab it off his body.
>>522061459Drones don't use gps. Even the mavics have gps disabled
>>522049811I don't understand why that is so hard from them to understand.
>>522075904Because it's extremely difficult to hit a drone that's flying around with a damn rifle you spastic cunt
>>522062694I wonder how often these just fall out of the sky because the wire snagged inside the spool or got cut on random wreckage. If they have a payload, I wonder if they become landmines? If they do then Ukraine must be a hellscape of death, even IF Ukraine retook everything it wouldn't even be worth it.
>>522064748Fellas like you will be very important in the Rahowa. I should stock up creatine and ferrous sulfate for people like you.
>>522076227That's why Expert Marksmanship is so important but all your troops are just kidnapped boys anyways. Enjoy losing cuck!
>>522076588I'm not ukrainian so doesn't really make a difference if they win or lose to me mate.
>>522060931It's actually straightforward to do this. You can do polymer casing, mechanical fuzing, and the self sterilizing function can be a long term mechanical switch that deflagrates rather than detonates the system.
>>522061745Very few people actually want to do it. One peasant has never had more power to act at any point in history than he has today.The popular support is there too. A politician will get a double digit boost in the polls by making free luigi a core component of his platform, and luigi will literally drown in pussy if he ever gets out.As usual, you won't do shit>t wont do shit
>>522049747A towel. Slingshot. Same way I take down drones in my neighborhood.
>>522077879You would be tracked down using supply barcode/Qrcode the chain of supply, payments systems make it very hard to remain anonymous buying this equipment. The Gov might not be able to stop something happening, but once it has happened they are very good and tracking the perpetrator down. Even Uncle Ted lost eventually thanks to his brother.
>>522077955Why are Special Operation Forces so deadly with towels!?
>>522078144Join a chorus advocating for clemency for the people who whatever the thing was. How many 1:1 trades need to be made before your enemies are gone?
>>522078144>give 10$ to homeless guysuddenly the chain of supply is broken
>>522049747signal jammer for 50 bucks on ebay
>>522049813>Return of the masterkey
>>522076588Average age on the front line is 43. Minimum conscription age is still 25. Good to know you're a brown faggot rooting for the death of white children though.>inb4 slavs not whiteOnly a fecal shitskin would say this.
>>522064199You sound like you suck cock hourly. Stop typing like a faggot.
>>522049747>>522049813came here to say thisjust skeet skeet nigga
>>522049747EMP
>>522073689The drone in the OP image - you see that fat ass cylinder in the guy's left hand? all that is is a spool of fibreoptic line that will run out behind the drone as it flies. No transmission; no jamming. And it's far too long and fine for rapid detection of where it came from.
>>522049747Shotgun with bird shot.
I've never looked too deeply into fiber optic drones, how the fuck do they keep the total internal reflection with all the maneuvering?Surely the fiber would be bending and snagging on shit leading to signal loss
why can't someone make a robot that fires the shotgun loaded with birdshot?it doesn't have to be anything fancy, just an arm and a wheel sort of thing so it can turn, and some cameras
>>522079194they don'tthey fly them high and fast with minimal wire spooling at night and then rape a rando with a dive manuever
>>522079194The speed of light is faster than the "maneuvering." If you're even smart enough to understand that...
>>522049848Big brain answer. This is the equalizer if drone warfare hits the US. There is a microwave oven in every home.
>>522078251>>522077955
>>522079870Hm, I guess that's reasonableAlthough if you're operating lots of drones at the same time you're risking entangling all of that shit>>522080115...What?
Lasers, very powerful fast automatic aiming ones
have the drone chase you around a treewhen you catch up to the wire - cut it
>>522079194i think the average flight path is- go up a lot- go mostly straight and on fields- kamikaze when target is closemax range is probably 10-15km as they lose 0.x db/km due to bending/snagging
>>522049747>how would pol fight this?The Saiga 12 gauge
>>522056293>The thing that should take drones down?>It doesn't take drones down and that's out of designYou sound more-than-retarded. That's copium of Pro-EU Inbred Faggots
>>522052166yeah, the war is the depopulation of the white men of ukraine and russia so the jews can get their greater israel/khazaria
>>522080933requires a lot of energy and cryogenic temps .. that's a lot of heavy expensive equipment, the tech isn't there yet for lasers on the battlefront
>>522049747Bird nets.Strings.
>>522062168A grenade is 3 steel water pipe fittings, a sparkler and either black powder or chlorate powder that can be made in a kitchen.
>>522050580>pvpNot a game
>>522051636>he only goes to 50mph
